[00:27] <hipitihop> anyone using shepherd grabber successfully ?
[00:32] <tmkt> what is that
[00:33] <hads> Australian perl grabber thingy
[00:54] <hads> Is there a setting that would affect the font size of the mythvideo bookmark popup? My old frontend has an unreadably small font but other frontends don't.
[01:05] <tmkt> for movies?
[01:41] <resno_> is there a way to get the command center without install mythbunutu? like an installable program under ubunutu?
[01:46] <mrand> resno_, mythbuntu-control-centre package is installable on any ubuntu install.
[01:57] <resno_> mrand: ok. thanks!
[02:15] <hipitihop> a general question regarding grabbers, are they necessary in context of digital only channels which provide their own epg ? or what is the benefit
[03:23] <foxbuntu> hipitihop, depends on the reliability of EPG data, also grabbers generally provide more data in advance, i.e. Schedules Direct in the US provides 14 days at a time
[03:27]  * hads agrees
[03:28] <hads> We get now/next EIT and 7 days via grabber
[03:34] <foxbuntu> hads, I think I might have just had a stroke, I noticed you agreed with me
[03:49] <hads> heh
[03:51] <hads> Have I been a bit negative? I don't want to come across like some of the people in #mythtv-users :)
[03:53] <kaeles> does 9.10 not support being a diskless server any longer, there is no option in the MCC for it
[03:55] <hads> Is there not? mythbuntu-diskless-server is still a package at any rate so you could install it manually.
[03:56] <kaeles> ok I'll just try that
[03:57] <hads> ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels are the command you want to use after that.
[03:58] <hads> One of the mythbuntu guys may be able to tell you how to do it easier.
[03:58] <kaeles> yea, I've used ltsp in a openmosix cluster once, so that part isn't too bad, I just like the ease of clicking :P
[03:59] <kaeles> thanks
[04:00] <hads> COol
[04:00] <kaeles> gotten in such a bad habit of using root under debian sudo always throws me off :P
[04:02] <kaeles> when i have some time away from school and work i plan on trying to write a dvd::rip plugin for mythbuntu so that if you have diskless clients, it uses them all in cluster mode, since I have 4 boxes around the house (1 is a roomies too though :P)
[04:03] <kaeles> err mythtv in general even
[04:46] <MythBork> stupid question, is the AMD64 build of 0.22 mythbuntu 64bit native?
[04:46] <MythBork> I've always used the 32 bit version in the past because I thought myth itself was still 32 bit, so being on a 64 bit system would actually slow it down
[05:01] <hipitihop> foxbuntu: & hads: I see, thanks. Currently mythbuntu gets around 8 days from normal digital channel epg's auto magically (no idea how that works yet) but backend always reports "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2009-10-20 12:04 and ended on 2009-10-20 12:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2009-10-29 05:00 (9 days).
[05:02] <hipitihop> " not sure if I should try and debug
[05:20] <neoneddy> I'm having trouble getting my files to list (ls) from an Airdisk share, using a cifs mount, I cna browse the fileds if I know what they are, however ls shows nothing
[14:16] <Hrym> WHats the special with Mythbuntu? :z
[15:53] <AliCharles> Hi, When my system, Mythbuntu 9.04 (upgraded from previous version) restarts I see a page of black and white vertical lines where the Mythbuntu logo should be. Now while this doesn't affect my system performance me in any way I would like to know what is causing this graphic crash. Any ideas?
[16:05] <superm1> AliCharles, it's a bug with nvidia drivers interacting with usplash
[16:05] <superm1> it's fixed in 9.10 with a new usplash
[16:09] <AliCharles> OK great thanks very much for your help.
[16:11] <Alex3nder> hi i need help setting up ivtv drivers and firmware perhaps or something to get my tv tuner card working... here are the logs and details of dmesg and lspci
[16:11] <Alex3nder> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/86408
[16:11] <Alex3nder> I am using ubuntu 9.10 btw...
[16:15] <AliCharles> I have one other query, When I rip some dvds on the native myth ripper in perfect format the file length doesn't seem to be  completed recognised so when I try and search the dvd for a position it just stops at the incorrectly set marker.  I can watch the film to the end without searching with no issues. any ideas?  Myth 9.04
[17:47] <orificium> !auto-builds
[17:47] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about auto-builds
[17:47] <orificium> !autobuilds
[17:47] <Zinn> Auto builds are available for MythTV 0.21 (Stable) and MythTV Trunk 0.22 (Unstable, use at your own RISK) for Hardy (0.21 only), Intrepid, Jaunty, and Karmic (0.22 and 0.23-trunk).  See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.
[17:47] <orificium> Something wrong with repos again?  Update Manager complaining about partial upgrade.
[17:51] <tgm4883> orificium, shouldn't be, whats it trying to hold back
[17:51] <tgm4883> and what repo are you trying to use
[17:53] <orificium> from the autobuilds package - trunk ppa
[17:58] <tmkt> anyone have issues with the LCD?
[17:58] <tmkt> my lcd is working
[17:58] <tmkt> but the only lcd ionfo i'm getting from mythlcdserver is the time
[18:00] <tgm4883> orificium, I can't help now, but the packages are all built
[18:01] <orificium> sorry, I was having issues ssh/vnc into my box
[18:01] <orificium> I was going to check to see which packages
[18:02] <orificium> mythtv mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-database mythtv-frontend
[18:02] <orificium>   mythtv-themes mythtv-transcode-utils
[18:03] <orificium> my box has been running 16 days. maybe I should give it a reboot
[18:13] <tgm4883> orificium, dont' go through with it, but what does it want to do if you do a dist-upgrade
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[19:26] <oobe> --- #flood :Cannot send to channel
[19:26] <oobe> lol
[19:26] <oobe> over abuse
[19:34] <orificium> tgm4883: that works
[19:34] <orificium> tgm4883: why is there a difference between upgarde and dist-pgrade?
[19:34] <orificium> pardon the typos
[19:35] <orificium> it's removing some old themes is about all now
[19:36] <tgm4883> orificium, as much as I appreciate people testing development releases, if you don't know the differences between an upgrade and a dist-upgrade I'm not sure you should be running development releases
[19:36] <tgm4883> no offense
[19:36] <orificium> gotta start learning sometime
[19:36] <tgm4883> the main difference being, doing a dist-upgrade will install new packages
[19:36] <orificium> which is why I ask.
[19:37] <tgm4883> fair enough
[19:37] <tgm4883> so likely what happened, is there was a new dependency from one of those packages
[19:37] <tgm4883> doing a dist-upgrade will install that new dependency
[19:37] <orificium> I ask because most of the time, update manager handles the new builds fine
[21:41] <hads> There's a lot of attitude in the mythtv community.
[21:42] <hads> Thankfully it's not really around these parts.
[21:57] <tgm4883> hads, how so?
[22:03] <hads> I was hanging out in #mythtv-users which I haven't done for a while. There's quite an elitist attitude from some people.
[22:03] <tgm4883> hads, devs?
[22:03] <tgm4883> I mean, I can act more elitist if you want
[22:04] <tgm4883> my mythbox is bigger than your mythbox
[22:04] <hads> Yes, some devs.
[22:04] <hads> Not ubuntu devs though
[22:04] <ToeBee> my mythbox has *4* cores!
[22:08] <ToeBee> too bad it can't put them to good use and record in HD :(
[22:08] <tgm4883> ToeBee, record in HD, isn't most HD recording already compressed?
[22:08] <ToeBee> <insert DRM rant here>
[22:08] <tgm4883> ie, not cpu intensive?
[22:08] <tgm4883> ah yea, DRM :/
[22:09] <tgm4883> ToeBee, I think foxbuntu has you beat there as well, IIRC, he has dual quad cores
[22:09] <mrand> We can snub HD.  Would that make us elitist?
[22:09] <tgm4883> ToeBee, no HD-PVR?
[22:10] <ToeBee> iirc haupage announced a cablecard tuner that would work in non OEM PCs... but I think it will only work in windows 7
[22:11] <ToeBee> I have a tuner card that can do digital but all the digital HD channels I would want to record are encrypted
[22:11] <tgm4883> ah
[22:11]  * tgm4883 does OTA
[22:12] <tgm4883> iirc, cablecards are under some strict restrictions
[22:12] <ToeBee> yes
[22:12] <tgm4883> but I thought I heard a lot of that was lifted recently
[22:12] <ToeBee> yes... for windows 7. I'm guessing they won't let linux in on the secret
[22:13] <tgm4883> well cable cards had support in XP as well
[22:13] <ToeBee> http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2009/09/09/windows-7-end-users-can-now-add-cablecard-tuners-to-their-pcs/
[22:13] <ToeBee> I thought only for OEM equipment though
[22:14] <tgm4883> like that means much
[22:14]  * tgm4883 looks at all the OEM licenses of XP you could buy
[22:15] <ToeBee> no, like they somehow checked some BIOS strings to verify that you were running an approved device. There was a hack around it but it required a specific chipset
[22:15] <tgm4883> iirc foxbuntu found a company that produces a cablecard tuner that had a linux dev kit
[22:15] <tgm4883> you would have to bug him about that though
[22:17] <ToeBee> hmm
[22:18] <ToeBee> might look into that. Of course then I still have to pay my cable company a $200 cablecard "installation fee" plus I think $5/month
[22:19] <tgm4883> installation fee? fight that
[22:19] <tgm4883> it literally plugs into your TV?
[22:19] <ToeBee> I think they have to enter some code and they require that to be done by a tech
[22:20] <tgm4883> cancel?
[22:20] <tgm4883> you could always go hulu ;)
[22:20] <ToeBee> I'm seriously considering it
[22:20] <ToeBee> save myself $75/month
[22:20] <tgm4883> do it
[22:20] <tgm4883> they will waive fees like crazy to keep you around
[22:20] <ToeBee> now I just need boxee to release a 64 bit build!
[22:21] <tgm4883> or roll with the hulu desktop?
[22:21] <ToeBee> or that
[22:21] <tgm4883> thats how I do it
[22:21] <tgm4883> have a link from my frontend
[22:21] <ourtv> hmmm, is there a link already telling me how to put boxee on the mythtv menu in karmic?
[22:21] <ToeBee> boxee is nice because it does more than just hulu
[22:22] <tgm4883> boxee is crap because it doesn't support 64-bit machines
[22:22] <ToeBee> heh well yes...
[22:22] <tgm4883> if it did, i'd write a plugin for MCC that would install boxee and configure a link for it
[22:22] <ToeBee> ourtv: I think I used this back on Jaunty: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=4248
[22:22] <tgm4883> but I won't do that until it supports 64-bit
[22:22] <ToeBee> that'd be hot
[22:23] <ToeBee> I believe the beta will support 64 bit... whenever that is released
[22:23] <tgm4883> we will see
[22:23] <tgm4883> oh, and it's closed source
[22:23] <tgm4883> I don't like that about it either
[22:23] <tgm4883> it's been a while since I ranted on boxee
[22:23] <ToeBee> just the flash and hulu parts I think
[22:24] <ToeBee> well I guess most of the rest are xbmc
[22:24] <ToeBee> s/are/is/
[22:24] <tgm4883> yea, the parts that are open source are the parts they had to legally open source
[22:24] <ourtv> ToeBee, when i upgraded the link i set up using that link disappeared and it looks to me like those instructions won't work for karmic
[22:24] <tgm4883> ourtv, the link?
[22:25] <ourtv> tgm4883, i meant the link in mythtv to fireup boxee from it's main menu.  poor choice to use link for both.
[22:25] <tgm4883> ah
[22:26] <tgm4883> ourtv, I'm at work, so don't have the time to hold your hand, but read that link above and look for the part where you add it to your menu
[22:26] <tgm4883> that part should be the same
[22:32] <ourtv> tgm4883, i'll see if i can muddle through
[22:53] <ourtv> i don't really think it's the same at all.
[23:01] <ToeBee> I might give it a shot tonight after I get home