[00:02] Anybody here who could tell me if ubuntu can use fibreoptic cards? To be specific, lspci gave me this : Fibre Channel: Brocade Communications Systems, Inc. 415 4Gb/815 8Gb PCIe FC HBA (rev 01)... I have multiple of these in a server and must get them to work as one using powerpath.. Anybody who might be able to give a hand? [00:04] sven_oostenbrink: if they are supported by linux, they should work with Ubuntu ;) [00:05] taking the kernel version in account of course [00:05] JanC: But how do I know if they are supported by Linux? How can I see if the card is working? [00:06] sven_oostenbrink: try the live-CD ? [00:06] JanC: well, the server is already installed with ubuntu [00:06] JanC: so I can just do anythign needed to get them to work [00:08] so it doesn't work OOTB... [00:08] ? [00:09] JanC: Nope.. I did just find drivers on the brocade website (http://www.brocade.com/products-solutions/products/fabric-management-software/product-details/efcm/specifications.page) but these seem Redhad or Suse only.. [00:10] Any chance I could utilize those for ubuntu server? [00:10] JanC: AFAIK, the cards are not yet recognized by the kernel, but Im not sure if this is the case.. [00:13] sven_oostenbrink: did you try with a recent karmic version? [00:14] judging from that site, their linux solutions are from the last decade anyway :-( [00:25] JanC: I know.. Im right now downloading the driver for 9.04.. crossing fingers and toes here.. [00:48] Does cron recursively search cron.daily? If I put a symlink into a directory with a bunch of scripts I want to run, would it run them? [01:04] Hey guys I downloaded the latest build of ubuntu server (9.10 from today) and I am getting an error on install [01:04] it wants drivers for the CD drive it is loading off of, or if I try to install off of a flash drive I get the same error. [01:04] I don't even want to have the CD drive in the system after install. [01:05] any suggestions? [01:26] New bug: #455931 in libgoogle-collections-java (main) "google-collections update breaks eucalyptus build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455931 [01:26] hey gang, im trying to complie imagemagick from source and not sure how to get it to see the requisite libs for some components [01:27] like png for example [01:27] i just did, apt-get install libpng3 [01:27] and added --with-png=yes even, however the configure report is not showing that it will be used [01:28] i think i have to tell it the path to the libraries for the linker, but not sure where they are installed when i apt-get libpng3 [01:29] should i build libpng from source? i thought the point of the package was so i dont need too .. === The2morrowMan_ is now known as The2morrowMan [01:33] kirkland: hey! [01:33] kirkland: doing some testing with raid1 === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:33] kirkland: I've booted one of my guest with only one drive (after a successfull install) [01:33] kirkland: then restarted with the other drive only [01:34] kirkland: logged in and created a file in my home directory [01:34] kirkland: then restarted with both drives [01:34] kirkland: the system booted with a functional raid array [01:34] kirkland: and the file in my home directory went away [01:35] kirkland: there were bunch of errors one the last boot though [01:35] kirkland: what would be the expected behavior in that use case? [01:44] Is Ubuntu 9.10 supposed to bring anything really nifty to the server arena, besides cloud computing integration? [01:53] libpng12-dev : theres the package ;) === SyL is now known as Guest68051 [02:41] hello i have a question hoping that you would help me answer, i dont have any idea about server administration, and im planning to buy a vps , which os should i choose ubuntu or centos, im quite familiar with ubuntu as it is what im using for my desktop, but its different when you talk about server side, which is easy to configure cent os or ubuntu server? [02:42] ramseize, since you use Ubuntu at home, you'll be more used to Ubuntu as a server too. [02:42] ramseize, anything you do with your Ubuntu Server you'll be able to do with your Ubuntu desktop. [02:43] Hi! I just moved from Fedora 7 to Ubuntu Server 9.04. I noticed that the remote desktop locks up the server (I installed the ubuntu-desktop to make it easier for me to administer until I'm more comfortable with the terminal-only commands). Does anybody know of a fix for this? [02:44] but i read some great comparison with centos and ubuntu , but i am more familiar with ubuntu so you think its a great advantage for me to use ubuntu? [02:45] does anyone of you know of a good vps hosting but very cheap, i just need it foe education purposes [02:45] ramseize: This is #ubuntu-server, so most people here are going to recommend Ubuntu :) It is (generally) an advantage to use something you already know -- it means you have less new stuff to learn. So if you already know Ubuntu, especially Ubuntu at the command line, I suggest you use Ubuntu server. [02:46] ramseize: you should check distrowatch and possibly ##linux is a better place to ask [02:46] ok [02:46] thanx [02:46] however i personally recommend debian for servers [02:47] centos is very popular too [02:47] i dont really like the ubuntu practice of installing everything and the kitchen sink [02:47] ok [02:47] As for VPS recommendations, many Ubuntu folks are happy with LiNode http://www.linode.com -- lowest size VPS there is US$19.95/month [02:47] then turning on every service known to man [02:47] its better on the desktop but it puts you at a serious disadvantage security wise [02:47] some other distros install and turn on much less by default [02:48] however there is also a cost for that [02:48] med\weed: Last I kknew Ubuntu server defaults to a minimal install.... [02:48] the cost in this case is additional install / configure time [02:48] so what os should i choose? ubuntu or cent os? [02:48] jmarsden: thats not a REAL minimal [02:48] yeah...very minimal! [02:48] ramseize: do you run ubuntu on your desktop? [02:48] if so just start with it [02:48] its _most_ important to learn! [02:48] med\weed: what unnecessary services are installed? [02:49] med\weed: What services does Ubuntu server install by default that you consider to be a security risk? [02:49] jcastro: i'll leave that as an exersize for you [02:49] +sp [02:49] yes i run ubuntu in my desktop [02:49] well, you're the one making the claim, isn't the onus on you? [02:49] but if you want to really get down i would go so far as to say a centos default install is much more secure by default no matter what is installed. [02:49] as they turn a firewall on by default [02:49] * skuld takes a number and waits in line for the current conversation to conclude... [02:50] oh im done with it [02:50] I just moved from Fedora 7 to Ubuntu Server 9.04. I noticed that the remote desktop locks up the server (I installed the ubuntu-desktop to make it easier for me to administer until I'm more comfortable with the terminal-only commands). Does anybody know of a fix for this? [02:51] med\weed: rapidswitch.com like these kind of vps hosting, [02:53] * skuld hears the crickets chirping outside... [02:54] I also ran the updater and the server claims it's 'everything up to-date'. [02:55] skuld: Ubuntu server doesn't come with a GUI desktop, if you install one you are pretty much on your own regarding support for the resulting server/desktop hybrid setup you have created... you may just want to install Ubuntu desktop, unless this is truly a production server the differences are unlikely to be signifcant to you. [02:56] I was opting for the server because of the built in mail and web server applications. I'm really not that familiar with the terminal only style of the server though [02:56] it is supposed to be a production server, and after fighting for over a week trying to get mail to work I decided to install a fresh OS [02:57] (mail was working fine for over two years before-hand...then I guess I changed something or ran some program that changed something) [02:58] skuld: You can use tasksel on a desktop install to add mail/web/whatever, just like you can on the server installation... no difference there at all. [02:59] If you prefer, set up a fresh Ubuntu server with no GUI and ask for help with the mail setup here or in #postfix and I'll do what I can to help... I've been doing paid network admin work on Linux for over 15 years... [03:00] okay. really quick, is there a remote desktop for the terminal-only server? [03:01] my server is in an awkward location to work on so remote capability is really handy [03:01] Remote desktop? You can run GUI programs on the server over SSH, and remote server admin is usually done at the command line in a shell anyway... [03:01] If you need a web interface to it, there is ebox... [03:02] !ebox [03:02] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [03:02] okay. I'll see about reinstalling server with no gui [03:03] skuld: OK. The only "extra" thing you really will want to install at the initial installation time is openssh, so you can SSH into the server. Everything else (mail, web, etc) can be added later. [03:05] can I use 'ssh' with a windows workstation...that's the PC I work remotly from...hence why I was using the gnome desktop with the built in remote desktop [03:06] You can install Putty which is a well known free SSH client for Windows, and use that, yes. [03:06] If you don't know this already you are probably not really ready to be a sysadmin of a production Linux server, though... [03:07] okay cool. I'm just not really all that comfortable with the command line yet...it's been years since I've worked with it [03:07] OK, I can point you at some guides to try and get you up to speed on the shell if you need that. [03:08] http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html is one [03:09] could I just 'uninstall' the ubuntu-desktop and gdm to revert back to a terminal only server, or would you recommend just a full reinstall? [03:10] You can try that, and if it fixes your issue with hangs, that's fine. I'm not sure what causes the hangs, so that worries me a little... but go ahead and try it. [03:10] skuld, you could purge it [03:10] simply uninstalling it would leave a LOT of unused config files [03:10] purge? [03:11] definately [03:11] sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME [03:11] apt-get --purge remove [03:11] however there is a caveot with that [03:11] Rather than sudo apt-get remove PACKAGENAME [03:11] it also purges regex'd packages - there can be differences in what it takes out iirc [03:11] jmarsden: your wrong [03:11] my form is correct sorry ^^ [03:11] med\weed: I'd take Ubuntu over Debian since Debian lacks most of the proactive security features in the built packages and kernel. [03:12] so I'd do: sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop gdm [03:12] med\weed, both ways work [03:12] purge is now a valid option [03:12] sudo apt-get remove --purge PACKAGENAME [03:12] what@karmiclyubu:~$ sudo apt-get purge remove gedit [03:12] [sudo] password for what: [03:12] Reading package lists... Done [03:12] Building dependency tree [03:12] Reading state information... Done [03:12] E: Couldn't find package remove [03:12] sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME [03:12] i.e. your wrong. [03:12] --purge [03:12] not purge remove, just purge [03:12] e.g. --purge remove or just purge [03:13] qman i just pasted proof [03:13] read what you did [03:13] med\weed: I'm wrong... sure... I do system admin work for a living... do you? You mistyped the command... [03:13] sudo apt-get purge remove gedit does not work [03:13] sudo apt-get --purge remove gedit does work [03:13] that's because that's wrong [03:13] Right, and that is not what I suggested. [03:13] that was the whole problem i had with their examples ffs [03:13] look start reading its irc but i' [03:13] you don't "purge remove", just "purge" [03:13] ll paste it for you one sec [03:14] 02:11 < jmarsden> sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME [03:14] 02:11 < jmarsden> Rather than sudo apt-get remove PACKAGENAME [03:14] Could you use a !pastbin this time? [03:14] * skuld sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-dekstop gdm ? [03:14] skuld, yes [03:14] med\weed: Do you see the string "purge remove" in what I typed? [03:15] med\weed: Do you see the string "purge remove" in what you used as "proof"? [03:15] med\weed: Do you understand the difference now? [03:17] ummm...I *thought* it was 'ubuntu-desktop' but when I try running the command, it states that it can not find the package by that name [03:17] skuld, that is the correct name of the meta package for the ubuntu desktop system [03:17] so unless you installed it manually, that should work [03:18] I used apt-get install [03:18] to install it [03:18] yes, but if you installed, say, gdm, and all the other programs you wanted to use by name [03:18] instead of installing ubuntu-desktop by name [03:18] skuld: Typo? Earlier you wrote: sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-dekstop gdm ? # This misspells desktop [03:18] that won't work, you'll have to go back and uninstall all the ones you installed [03:19] oh and me an my stupid fat fingers...I mispelled desktop [03:19] hah [03:20] okay, it says it purged. rebooting the server now [03:23] okay, that worked. terminal only now.... [03:23] what's the package for ssh so I can work remotely? [03:24] sudo tasksel install openssh-server [03:24] I'm trying to set a couple of things on my site and need some help. I'm running my own server and need to set a couple of things, but don't know how. I need to set extra perameters for default pages to load in folders ie "index.html vs index.htm" [03:25] it's not apt-get? [03:26] Pairadimesitty: Use the Apache DirectoryIndex directive to provide the list of index pages you want your server to look for. [03:26] in code please, I'm a total noob, don't know the language [03:26] skuld: You could do that, sure. Learning tasksel prepares you for installing web and mail tasks, though... [03:26] jmarsden: very well your right [03:27] med\weed: Thankyou. [03:27] however. [03:27] i also do sysadmin work for a living. [03:27] not knowing one single command is not enough to break that out :P [03:27] med\weed: OK, then perhaps you should read man pages a bit more carefully :) [03:27] [we're currently using 70gbits] [03:27] cool! it installed, now I use putty to see my server screen? [03:28] jmarsden: more like i should review them occationally as apparently there's value added in linux too ;) [03:28] skuld: You use putty to log into the server, yes. [03:28] jmarsden: if it makes you feel better you probably predate me in linux :P i'm only on year 6? 7? [03:28] since sarge was unstable [03:28] actually I'm running my server on Xubuntu to help my lack of directory and terminal knowledge, so if you could just point out a file to edit that would help too [03:29] jmarsden: btw if your wondering wtf i'm doing here - its because my co runs ubuntu lol [03:30] oh crap! I need to add port 22 to my firewall [03:30] Pairadimesitty: Look at /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf [03:31] skuld: good practice to chang that port in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [03:31] s/chang/change [03:31] jmarsden: thanks, on it. [03:34] I need to go AFK briefly... skuld, do you have Putty connecting to your server yet? [03:34] I'm still trying to get it connected [03:35] What is the problem? You firewalled off your server from your admin workstation? :) [03:35] OK, well, I'll be back soon I hope... [03:36] okay, I changed the port, but how do I open my new port...say it's 553 (it's not) [03:37] I was running firestarter back when I had the gnome desktop installed. now I don't have that utility, so I need to know how to edit my firewall via the terminal. LOL [03:39] jmarsden: if you're still here thanks that did the trick. [03:42] skuld: what firewall? [03:42] The other thing I'm trying to do is integrate my forum inside my home page (/forum.php inside index.htm), but iFrames universally suck, I can't get it to resize automatically inside my content. I'm told to use ssi, but that doesn't seem to load, [03:43] what forum software are you using? [03:43] google also tells me that I need to set the server to accept htm format for it rather than only shtml [03:43] I've been admining my own for 7 years now [03:43] smf [03:43] perfect...that's what I use [03:43] so far I really like it [03:44] if only I had my server up...I could *show* you. [03:44] thanks skuld, that's exactly who I need is your help [03:44] you don't NEED to use SSI, that's just a bunch of functions that make things convienant [03:44] um [03:44] yeah [03:44] I used some, but mostly I coded my own "ssi" using PHP [03:44] iframe shows the content, but doesn't play nice with sizing [03:44] creating the HTML and mySQL calls that way [03:45] what is it you're wanting to do exactly? [03:45] feel free to take a look epicdatanet.co.cc [03:45] there is a button leading to the forum at the moment, I'd like to nest it inside the home page [03:46] why not just tweak the style.css and use the built in banner options in SMF? [03:47] I think that would be much easier to accomplish, and cleaner. [03:47] I'm also planning on putting an autosizing to browser chatbox (I installed an ajaxchat mod in smf) on the left side set to follow the browser, hopefully collapseable [03:47] :) can I give you some adivce? [03:48] don't install a chat box [03:48] but I doubt that would nest it inside the content area [03:48] with a forum [03:48] your forum will die [03:48] becuase most of the talk will be in the chat and not in the forum [03:48] I was wondering about that [03:48] I'm back but need to deal with a real life issue... car with flat (really FLAT) tire... [03:48] I've done that and regretted it [03:48] ewww yuck [03:49] I'd like to give it a shot anyway, perhaps restrict it to forum members? [03:49] I'm still trying to connect via putty. I think I opened the port I needed by using this command, but I don't think it's working yet. [03:49] restrict it to advanced forum members above a certian post group if you want to do that [03:49] skuld: telnet 1.2.3.4 22 will test whether you can access the SSH service on IP 1.2.3.4 ... what happens when you try? [03:50] * jmarsden needs to go again to get a car tire (very FLAT) fixed... [03:50] * skuld iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -d 0/0 -s 0/0 --dport 553 -j ACCEPT [03:50] good thinking, hopefully the mod allows that, truth be told I haven't gone through the forum options yet, just added some themes and mods [03:51] skuld: 553? OK, if you want to use 553 for SSH and have set up sshd to use it... did you do that? [03:51] I'm very glad I came here by the way [03:51] you'll need to code that by hand. I can probably help with that after i get my mess cleaned up LOL [03:52] at least the first part, integrating the forum to the website, that's pretty easy...most of the time is just spent tweaking your smf/style.css .... and there's a little coding in the index.template.php file to remove the SMF logo on the right. [03:52] I was afraid of that [03:52] brb, have to dress my kid for bed.... [03:52] skuld: Whether that iptables command will work depends on the exact set of commands in the INPUT table... if there was a -j DENY at the end then appending to the table fails because the DENY rule gets reached before your new appended ACCEPT rule [03:52] OK... [03:54] actually, with the black silk theme I'm using for smf, other than some text that shouldn't be black all I really want to change is to remove the banner all together [03:55] and of course frame (without frames) it inside my home page [03:55] back [03:56] and no where else [03:56] skuld: So what does telnet 1.2.3.4 553 do # if 553 is your SSH port [03:56] right [03:57] sorry that I'm dividing your attention skuld [03:59] it's okay....I'm also multitasking here :) [03:59] I can use putty to telnet, right? [03:59] fyi, multitasking there makes things worse for you, not better lol [04:01] I know [04:01] yes you can [04:01] skuld: You could, but there is a Windows command called telnet which i was expected a Windows-using person to know and use :) [04:01] well, when I try that, it sits there for a few seconds...like 30 and then disappers [04:01] at least, there was in Win 2000 and XP, not sure about Vista and Windows 7. [04:01] I guess it's timing out [04:02] skuld: Open a console window and do it, so you can see the error message :) [04:02] Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> Command Prompt [04:02] Then type in telnet 1.2.3.4 553 and press Enter. [04:03] Do not "guess" that it is timing out, we need to *know* what it is doing :) [04:03] should there be a : between the IP and port? [04:04] No. a space. [04:04] telnet is not a recognized command in windows 7 according to my command prompt [04:04] you've gotta be kidding me.... I guess windows vista doesn't include telnet! [04:05] putty can do it according to google [04:05] yeah, it can , but it vanishes after about 30 seconds when I try it [04:05] OK, use putty I guess. BTW, you should consider using Ubuntu desktop for your admin workstation :) [04:06] skuld: There should be a Putty option to not close the window on errors... set it and retry. [04:06] http://www.webmasters-central.com/article-blog/tutorials/how-to-telnet-server-using-putty-ssh-client/ [04:06] I would if I could afford to do that (another machine) [04:06] skuld: Dual boot? Or run Ubuntu Desktop in a VM under Vista (better, run Vista in a VM under Ubuntu)... [04:06] okay, trying it [04:07] any recommendations on using ext3 vs ext4 for servers? Is ext4 stable enough to be used in a production environment? [04:07] "connection closed by remote host" [04:07] I've got xubuntu on my server running the desktop right now. I'm looking at three monitors, two keyboards, two mice, a bunch of cords, a cat on my lap, and a bag of reeses [04:07] nice....reeses.... :) [04:07] yes [04:07] skuld: Incidentally, it would have probably been faster to reinstall Ubuntu server than to do all this :) [04:08] anyway... so, is there really an sshd listening on port 553 on your server? [04:08] yeah, but I'd loose my internet connection in the process [04:08] On the server console try sudo netstat -ntlp |grep 553 [04:08] if it weren't for the reeses none of learning Dreamweaver, designing a site, choosing the best free host available, dumping said host, and installing my own linux server would have happened [04:08] OH wait!! do I need to "start" an ssh service? [04:09] skuld: If you dinked with its config file, you need to restart it, yes. [04:09] If you had left it alobne, it would have started on port 22 all by itself... [04:09] lol, it's always something simple like that [04:09] yup, okay...off hand you know what it is? (/etc/init.d/sshd start ?) [04:09] But someone told you to change the port... so we got into all this mess... [04:09] lol [04:10] lol [04:10] sudo service ssh restart [04:10] I would have had to open the port in the firewall anyway [04:10] * Pairadimesitty eats a reeses [04:11] okay trying again [04:11] Check it is there with sudo netstat -ntlp | grep 553 first. [04:11] ok [04:12] looks like it [04:12] Good. OK, now try ssh to port 553 from Putty... [04:13] bet it failed [04:13] connection timed out [04:13] just a hunch [04:13] too easy to work [04:14] LOL [04:14] skuld: OK, can you (from the server console) do ssh -p 553 username@1.2.3.4 # and log in as your username [04:14] how do I review that firewall iptables listing to see if there is a dENY in there [04:14] first let's check the sshd is working. [04:16] I wish I could show you a picture of the mess of hardware in front of me [04:16] if I didn't have this giant thick desk it probably would have caved in [04:17] yeah, it let me log in [04:17] skuld: OK, good, you can exit to get back out of that ssh session. [04:17] threw an error about authenticity of my ip I tried [04:17] logged out [04:17] yes [04:17] sudo /sbin/iptables -L -n -v [04:18] will display all the details of your firewall setup. [04:18] ok [04:18] One issue will be finding where firestarter put its config files and scripts... :) [04:18] cable modem, linksys dd-wrt router, mic, speakers, controllers (tv and game) [04:19] printer [04:19] god I need to clean up [04:19] wow that's confusing! [04:20] It's what firestarter did... now you know why using GUi tools that hide all the details is not always a good idea :) [04:20] I didn't see any denys in there, and it was a pretty short list...lots of * [04:20] yeah...I know... :( [04:20] but I'm learning all kinds of cool stuff now [04:20] On the server if you do sudo apt-get install pastebinit [04:21] we can then have you pastebin that iptables list somewhere I can read it... [04:21] okay [04:21] Once it is installed, do sudo /sbin/iptables -L -n -v | pastebinit # and tell me the URL it returns [04:24] http://pastebin/f7f31f192 [04:24] that's pretty handy [04:24] I think I mis copied somehting... [04:25] It would be if it worked... I'm seeing a page which says no such paste id... [04:25] hmm [04:25] Miscopying the ID would do that ... :) [04:25] no I copied it right [04:26] Did you copy the full URL OK... just pastebin between the // and the / [04:26] Looks odd to me... [04:27] let me try again.... [04:27] http://pastebin/f54c917e4 [04:28] Hmmm, mine look more like http://pastebin.com/f5b874c4e [04:28] Yup.... you omitted the .com [04:28] http://pastebin.com/f54c917e4 [04:28] duh! [04:28] LOL [04:28] I was just surprised that a link without a .com actually showed up correctly on the page [04:29] if I put those in my browser they work [04:29] Pairadimesitty: Firefox will turn WHATEVER it into www.WHATEVER.com if that URL exists... [04:29] but www.pastebin.com and pastebin.com are different sites... [04:30] I've never seen that before, though I suppose the http:// had something to do with it, if it were just text my settings would have turned it into a google search [04:31] my '553' port is 26 [04:32] I see no 553 anywhere in that listing... ? [04:32] 553 = 26 [04:33] I guess it's on line 40? [04:33] ah, that is way lower than all the DROP rules :) [04:33] ...is that a good thing? [04:34] cloudhosting [04:34] it means confusion in virtual form skuld [04:34] skuld: No. The DROPs will drop your packets before the ACCEPT in line 40 will accept them. [04:34] You want that line up around line 6 or so to work right. [04:35] okay, so how do I fix it to do that? [04:36] so is it even possible to embed my forum in my site so that all links to the forum will lead to my homepage with the correct link in the forum showing? [04:36] iptables -I INPUT 3 -p tcp -d 0/0 -s 0/0 --dport 26 -j ACCEPT [04:37] or something close to that :) [04:38] ok, let me try that.... @pairadimsitty: I don't understand [04:38] that makes two of us [04:39] I want the forum framed inside my homepage, nowhere else [04:39] when I try to associate a EBS volume with a UEC image using euca-attach-volume -i i-46C508A6 -d /dev/sdb vol-32BA04A7 the cc.log reports bad input params to vnetAttachTunnels() and doesn't attach the SC volume to the instance [04:40] I've tried using just sdb for the device name , that doesn't seem to make a difference [04:41] and if I should have a link to some part of the forum elsewhere on my site, it should show the homepage, with the appropriate forum post (or whatever) showing [04:41] everything else is working for me to my knowledge [04:41] okay, I can finally ssh into my server! :) [04:41] yay [04:41] New bug: #434836 in augeas (main) "[MIR] augeas" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434836 [04:41] skuld: OK :) Now, do you already have some broken/half working email setup on it? or are we starting email (postfix/dovecot?) from scratch? [04:42] all that's done so far is the package has been installed, nothing further [04:42] OK. What is the overall plan -- you need outgoing SMTP for some PHP forum stuff, only, or you are really doing email hosting? [04:43] @pairadimesitty: if you're forum is embedded on your home page, then all links will also be framed there as well. [04:43] I have squirrel mail, just because that's what the guide I followed recommended [04:43] cool, I was worried about that [04:43] I have six domains that need some number of email addresses. a couple only need one or two, a couple need much more [04:44] i need to have the ability to send and recieve mail (relay if needed with smtp authentication) [04:44] I've tried almost everything....I think that's what blew up my last server...qmail finally did me in LOL [04:45] then I read a couple posts on postfix and dovecot...should be able to handle the multiple domains...and use mysql? [04:46] so that's what I installed was the default mail server (postfix/dovecot) [04:47] Yes, Postfix is a little saner... MySQL only if you need it... are you comfortable editing text files to configure all the email accounts? [04:47] now I just need to embed it, preferably without frames [04:47] I'm not convinced MySQL for email configs is necessary unless you are up into thousands of accounts... but that's personal preference... [04:47] actually if I had my preference, I love the idea of it being a database back end rather than text files, but if that's what I have to do, I'm comfortable enough [04:48] Either way is doable. Let's see if I can find a howto with an approach to using MySQL for you... [04:48] @pairadimesitty: I'm saying you don't need to embed anything. why not just make your smf forum your home page with just your banner, and add the menu extra menu links you need at the top? [04:49] ok [04:50] skuld: Are you running Ubuntu 9.04 Server, or 8.04.3 LTS ? [04:50] 9.04, the latest and greatest [04:50] I like my existing page, and the wrap around of the content, I also plan to embed squirrel mail, I will have pages though that have no framing, and I want to be able to handle all future expansion fluidly and in the same content region [04:51] OK... then http://craigballinger.com/blog/2009/07/postfix-dovecot-mailserver-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope/ looks a good fit for what you are trying to do. [04:52] Go through it slowly, ask me questions if anything looks odd or "goes wrong"... [04:52] oddly what I did in that situation was create dynamic web pages using php. using a variable like $content = 'stuff here' I was able to create new pages of content with out mucking up the index.php. just created a new php file that returned $content. [04:53] okay. also be thinking of apache2 in the background. I guess things have changed since the httpd days...I thought I could just copy paste my conf file, but that didn't work lOL I'm reviewing the link you sent now [04:54] skuld: Sure, I can help with the apache stuff too later on. Debian/Ubuntu break out the configuration to make virtual hosting easier... which it is, once you understand how it all works :) I need to go pick up my daughter from somewhere or other... back in ~20 or 30 minutes... [04:54] crohakon: install vsftpd [04:55] bingo skuld, looks good, does it auto size for no frame scrollbars? [04:55] Anyone have experience configuring Tomcat to work with Apache2 ? [04:55] So, apparently I missed the FTP server during the install of ubuntu server edition. How can I install it now post install? [04:55]