| ScottK | Going straight to install works in the new KNE ISO. | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Confirmed the slider bar is fixed too. | 00:26 |
| shtylman | ScottK: no, I just got home | 01:59 |
| shtylman | ...ok...maybe it did get fixed :) | 01:59 |
| ScottK | shtylman: The slider bar is fixed. | 02:21 |
| === MsMaco is now known as maco | ||
| ScottK | We have Kubuntu Netbook #3 in the house now (eldest's birthday present). | 02:44 |
| shtylman | ScottK: congrats | 02:49 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 02:49 |
| ScottK | It arrived today, so just in time for RC ISO testing. | 02:49 |
| shtylman | haha | 02:49 |
| shtylman | make/model? | 02:49 |
| ScottK | HP mini something | 02:53 |
| shtylman | heh | 02:53 |
| ScottK | It's the second one of those we got. | 02:53 |
| shtylman | cool | 02:53 |
| shtylman | like em? | 02:53 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 02:53 |
| ScottK | My Dell mini 10v has a touchpad that well make you want to throw it out a window. | 02:54 |
| shtylman | hahah | 02:54 |
| ScottK | The HP is much nicer. Also has a drive light and a hardware airplane mode switch. | 02:54 |
| shtylman | nice | 02:55 |
| jjesse-netbook | yay for netbooks | 02:57 |
| jjesse-netbook | i like to do demos for work on mine with the VMs in the cloud :) | 02:58 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 03:38 |
| ScottK | jjesse-netbook_: Got broadcom working? | 03:38 |
| ScottK | All three of mine are broadcom and wireless is good. | 03:38 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | ScottK: yes i did i posted to the list i think didnt i | 03:40 |
| ScottK | I think you did. | 03:40 |
| ScottK | I must confess my broadcom systems with their crap proprietary drivers have better wifi than my supposedly superior Intell system with all FOSS stuff. | 03:41 |
| shtylman | sshhh...don't say that :) | 03:42 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | my internet is way slow tonight, wonder what e3lse im downloading on a nother machine :) | 03:43 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | just configured ubuntu-one on my netbook, wish there was a kde version and it was cross platform like dropbox | 03:43 |
| ScottK | I have found a suspect for why my laptop won't turn the display on when I open the lid. | 03:45 |
| ScottK | Rebuilding -workspace now. | 03:45 |
| ScottK | If this fixes it, it'll be the last of my personal "WTF, this will drive me nuts if it isn't fixed before release" issues. | 03:45 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | yay for solving those | 03:46 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | my netbook is working really good these days | 03:46 |
| === jjesse-netbook_ is now known as jjesse-netbook | ||
| * Riddell cracks on with dvd i386 testing | 08:30 | |
| Riddell | agateau: test report forwarded | 08:31 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok, will read in a few minutes | 08:31 |
| agateau | Riddell: got feedback from wstephenson, | 08:31 |
| agateau | Riddell: he agrees with the idea, but proposed a different patch | 08:32 |
| agateau | Riddell: will create a PPA for it today | 08:32 |
| Sput | ScottK: my intel wifi works flawlessly :) | 08:38 |
| * brot can help with testing :) | 09:48 | |
| * asraniel is downloading the i386 live cd | 09:58 | |
| * davmor2 is downloading all the iso's and has been for a while now speed up t'interweb | 10:01 | |
| * apachelogger goes blogging :P | 10:03 | |
| * tsimpson wonders why everyone is /me'ing | 10:04 | |
| * apachelogger thinks that it might be me-day again | 10:05 | |
| * apachelogger asks davmor2 to tell brot how to help with testing | 10:05 | |
| davmor2 | brot: Hello | 10:06 |
| * asraniel thinks, "noooo, the me day is over" | 10:06 | |
| davmor2 | brot: to get involved goto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com sign up to the tracker. Pick the test you want to do, do it mark if it passed or failed and add any bug numbers. | 10:10 |
| davmor2 | brot: also the link to the iso you need to test is on the tracker too so you test the right one :) | 10:11 |
| davmor2 | hope that helps | 10:11 |
| === steveire_ is now known as steveire | ||
| brot | davmor2: yeah, i am downloading the iso right now :) | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | brot: Cool :) | 11:29 |
| brot | just had to get on the bus to drive from university to my home. | 11:29 |
| Riddell | brot: which ISO? | 11:37 |
| brot | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20091020.2/karmic-desktop-i386.iso | 11:37 |
| Riddell | groovy | 11:38 |
| brot | Do i need to give additional comments (like, hardware i used ? ) | 11:42 |
| brot | somehow the "Live Session Persistence" ( see http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession ) does not work. the "label" means "e2label /dev/sda1 casper-rw" right? | 12:27 |
| steveire | apachelogger: I like the help files idea. | 12:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am about to create a new deb for networkmanager, | 13:35 |
| agateau | I generated images for the wireless icons because they were unreadable and some sizes were missing, | 13:36 |
| agateau | resulting in a crappy tooltip | 13:36 |
| agateau | can I integrate these images as a plain patch? | 13:36 |
| agateau | (or is it a bad idea to do that this late in the schedule anyway) | 13:36 |
| Riddell | agateau: you can't include images in a normal patch, you need to do fiddly things with uuencode | 13:38 |
| Riddell | and it's probably not a good idea this late anyway | 13:38 |
| agateau | mmm... was afraid of something like that | 13:38 |
| agateau | too bad, you can hardly read the number on the tray icon | 13:39 |
| agateau | and the tooltip really looks blocky | 13:39 |
| Riddell | agateau: a worse icon bug is the wired connection which has an unplugged icon for a connected network | 13:39 |
| agateau | Riddell: oh | 13:40 |
| agateau | Riddell: do you want me to have a look at it? | 13:40 |
| Riddell | agateau: if you're at a lose end for things to do sure :) | 13:40 |
| Riddell | agateau: I think it's because the background icon doesn't change between unconnected and connected use, it just gets the wee bottom-left tick drawn over it | 13:41 |
| Riddell | which is too small for most people to notice | 13:41 |
| agateau | Riddell: I see | 13:41 |
| Riddell | agateau: if you want to make packages with binary changes in it, the easiest way is probably just to make your own .orig.tar.gz so it's 0.9~svn1029786+ag1-0ubuntu1 or similar | 13:42 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 13:42 |
| Riddell | or you can get me to do it but I'm busy testing ISOs and upgrades today | 13:42 |
| agateau | Riddell: I'll try to figure out how to do it | 13:42 |
| smarter | agateau: +1 for fixing that, the systray icon really is unreadable atm | 13:47 |
| smarter | I didn't even notice it was supposed to display a number :P | 13:48 |
| agateau | smarter: hehe | 13:48 |
| agateau | smarter: I replaced the number with a gauge | 13:48 |
| agateau | smarter: http://imagebin.ca/view/MIrQ8-i2.html | 13:49 |
| agateau | it is still blurry, but I am afraid this is because of the systray icon | 13:50 |
| smarter | looks good, but the old KNM icon is still better :P | 13:50 |
| agateau | smarter: hehe, I am not that much of an artist | 13:50 |
| smarter | we should try to get the knm devs to bring that one back: http://rajiva.amikom.ac.id/gambar/kaskus/knetworkmanager/knetwork_manager_2.png | 13:52 |
| Riddell | also the systray icon will probably be replaced by a plasmoid again at some point so no point spending too long on it | 13:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: won't happen for Lucid though | 13:58 |
| Riddell | agateau: says wstephenson? | 13:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: err. won't happen for Karmic | 13:59 |
| agateau | sorry | 13:59 |
| Riddell | easy mistake to make :) | 13:59 |
| smarter | btw, any idea if we're going LTS this time? | 14:07 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: Wubi's working Just going to try unr's and kne's wish me luck :) | 14:12 |
| Riddell | smarter: LTS isn't for another six months, have patience | 14:15 |
| smarter | I meant Lucid when I said "this time" ;) | 14:16 |
| agateau | Riddell: to create my new orig.tar.gz i must: untar the actual orig, put my files in the folder, tar the folder under the new name, update debian/changelog | 14:21 |
| agateau | Riddell: do I miss something? | 14:21 |
| agateau | Riddell: mmm I probably need to do something with the .dsc and .diff.gz as well | 14:22 |
| Riddell | agateau: just tar up the sources, not including the debian/ directory | 14:24 |
| Riddell | make sure it has the correct name plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786+ag1.orig.tar.gz | 14:25 |
| Riddell | add in the debian/ directory | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: will there be a KDE instance of LTS for lucid? | 14:25 |
| Riddell | running debuild -S will create the .dsc and .diff.gz | 14:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yes, it's called Kubuntu | 14:25 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok thanks | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I meant will there be an actual lts release this time? | 14:26 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yes, in six months time | 14:26 |
| davmor2 | Cool | 14:26 |
| pgquiles | where's the source for printer-applet-kde ? | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | pgquiles: it's in kdeutils, I believe | 14:30 |
| pgquiles | JontheEchidna: you mean it's developed in KDE's svn, not in a bzr repo in Launchpad? | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:31 |
| pgquiles | found, thank you | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | well actually it hasn't been touched by anyone for a while, but there haven't really been any issues with it either | 14:31 |
| === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl | ||
| Riddell | pleae eye over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 | 14:52 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: "Welcome to Kubuntu 9.04" | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose I can fix that | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Is the right adept-manager in the repos now and no longer in proposed? | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | it got approved this morning I believe | 14:58 |
| Riddell | davmor2: it's in -updates | 15:00 |
| jussi01 | arrgh, appot-kde is so full of fail... | 15:06 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: just double checking that you didn't need to enable propased first :) | 15:07 |
| davmor2 | proposed even | 15:07 |
| jussi01 | is there a plan to fix the like 1 million apport windows that come up when several apps have crashed? ie. condense them into 1? | 15:08 |
| davmor2 | ScottK, Riddell: wubi on kne only works :D | 15:11 |
| mcas | hi is anyone doing some iso tests? | 15:26 |
| mcas | i would start kubuntu desktop i386 manual partitioning if no one else did | 15:27 |
| agateau | Riddell: new knetworkmanager package in my ppa, | 15:42 |
| agateau | this one includes updated ascii wep keys after discussion with wstephenson, | 15:43 |
| agateau | and the new wireless icons | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | most of synaptic's bulk comes from libgnome-perl2, used for the GTK debconf frontend, and software-properties-gtk | 16:15 |
| JontheEchidna | otherwise synaptic doesn't depend on gnome | 16:15 |
| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | ||
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: 99% | 16:18 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: ... download complete. | 16:18 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: Error occured after download was complete. Is this related to the fact that the update is startet out of chroot? | 16:21 |
| PedroLeKoi | Riddell: How ever: Right now I am downloading Kubuntu 8.04 again, will write another CD and try that way again. Hopes are low, so. | 16:22 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| agateau | Riddell: just uploaded another version of knetworkmanager, which uses a different icon for activated wired connection | 17:34 |
| agateau | for some reason it does not show up yet on LP though | 17:34 |
| agateau | have to go now | 17:34 |
| Riddell | bye | 17:34 |
| Riddell | aww | 17:34 |
| steveire | Riddell: How do I enable ctrl + alt backspace again? | 17:36 |
| debfx | steveire: Regional & language -> Keyboard Layout -> Advanced | 17:38 |
| steveire | Special keya handled in server? | 17:39 |
| steveire | keys* | 17:39 |
| debfx | Key sequence to kill the X server | 17:40 |
| steveire | I don't see that in xkb opions | 17:41 |
| debfx | are you using jaunty? | 17:41 |
| steveire | Yes | 17:41 |
| debfx | oh then you can use dontzap | 17:42 |
| steveire | Got a command line then? | 17:43 |
| debfx | dontzap -d | 17:43 |
| m4v | or use alt+print+k which has more or less the same effect | 17:43 |
| steveire | I ran sudo dontzap -d and I still can't restart it | 17:44 |
| m4v | it worked | 17:44 |
| debfx | ^^ | 17:44 |
| steveire | alt print k works though | 17:46 |
| debfx | now ctrl+alt+backspace should also work | 17:47 |
| steveire | My second screen still doesn't work though. | 17:47 |
| steveire | And ctrl alt backspace still does not work | 17:47 |
| m4v | then you should try editing the xorg.conf by hand, but I don't remember the syntax | 17:49 |
| m4v | dontzap -d should have worked though :/ | 17:49 |
| steveire | I do have dontzap False in my xorg.conf | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | I think that should be dontzap True | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, maybe not | 17:50 |
| steveire | JontheEchidna: Not according to dontzap --help | 17:51 |
| m4v | it shouldn't be false? is a double negative... | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | bah, confusing option name | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | anyways, did you restart X since you modified the option? | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | log out -> alt + e | 17:51 |
| ScottK | Also no dontzap in Karmic. | 18:00 |
| ScottK | It doesn't work anymore. | 18:00 |
| debfx | he's using jaunty | 18:01 |
| ScottK | Oh | 18:03 |
| ScottK | debfx: BTW, since the Qt patch is in qtcopy, I think your brightness stuff can go ahead to go in kde svn. | 18:03 |
| debfx | ScottK: ok, though I'll wait a bit to see if I fixed a bug that was reported yesterday | 18:11 |
| steveire | I'm still having an issue with dual screens. The other screen works, but all I get is a X mouse cursor. I can't actually use it. | 18:19 |
| steveire | Sound familiar? | 18:19 |
| steveire | http://dpaste.com/110255/ Does this mean anything to people who understand X? | 18:26 |
| steveire | http://dpaste.com/110255/ | 18:26 |
| ScottK | steveire: You might ask on #ubuntu-x if you want people that understand X. | 18:28 |
| steveire | I'll try. Thanks. | 18:28 |
| firephoto | "wep 40/128-bit key" "wep 128-bit passphrase" are these two options in NM frontend what's causing problems? 128 key takes a password. 128 passphrase doesn't take a passphrase. | 18:30 |
| txwikinger | http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K | 18:32 |
| * txwikinger wonders if he should quiz Marcel about that on Friday | 18:32 | |
| ScottK | Yeah, Riddell linked to that yesterday. | 18:32 |
| ScottK | Riddell: apachelogger says there's an untranslated string in the brightness OSD patch that just got uploaded. I think this is a very bad idea. | 18:58 |
| markey | Riddell: plasma just crashed again | 19:42 |
| markey | I have a good backtrace now: | 19:42 |
| markey | http://pastebin.com/m600db609 | 19:42 |
| ScottK | debfx: How would you feel about dropping the word "Brightness" from your patch (and the monitor icon too maybe) so we don't break translations with this change? | 20:10 |
| debfx | ScottK: yeah I guess we should drop that string but the icon should stay so it's still distinguishable from the audio volume OSD | 20:27 |
| ScottK | debfx: We don't have an icon for the volume OSD. I really don't think it's needed since it's in direct response to a user pushing buttons. | 20:28 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: i didnt yet had time to make an banner for final release but it will be done in time | 20:28 |
| ScottK | The fact that they are pushing the brightness button should be sufficient clue. | 20:28 |
| Tscheesy_ | re *updating* ..slow.. | 20:47 |
| Tscheesy_ | ups - wrong chan | 20:48 |
| JontheEchidna | markey: looks like KDE bug 209004 | 20:52 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 209004 in widget-nowplaying "Plasma crashed after Amarok was closed [Plasma::DataContainer::setData, PlayerContainer::updateInfo]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209004 | 20:52 |
| markey | JontheEchidna: indeed | 21:15 |
| markey | same backtrace | 21:15 |
| markey | sigh, plasma's single process design... | 21:16 |
| markey | no good | 21:16 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| neversfelde | was there a change to the brightness control lately? | 21:19 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 21:20 |
| neversfelde | something is broken with it here on my ideapad, the screen is dark sometimes and I have to change it back manually | 21:22 |
| ScottK | debfx: ^^^ | 21:26 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: There was also a brightness related change on restore in powerdevil for 4.3.2. | 21:26 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: I haven't discovered the situation which causes the screen to be dark, yet. I will watch this. | 21:27 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: debfx got a brightness related change into -workspace yesterday or so and so he might have an idea | 21:28 |
| neversfelde | ok | 21:28 |
| debfx | neversfelde: when does this happen? | 21:56 |
| neversfelde | debfx: I am not sure, will try to find it out next time it happens | 21:56 |
| ScottK | What's the package name for our version of the message indicator? | 22:00 |
| JontheEchidna | plasma-widget-messageindicator | 22:01 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | yw | 22:03 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| debfx | ScottK: I still think it's a bit odd to have exactly the same OSD for volume and brightness change | 22:09 |
| ScottK | debfx: At this point the most minimal change we can make is the best. | 22:10 |
| ScottK | I don't think it's going to be confusing | 22:10 |
| ScottK | debfx: Also if it's the same we could make the case it's not a U/I freeze breaker, since it's not new U/I, just a different reason for the same U/I | 22:11 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 22:11 |
| debfx | ScottK: ok, so I should switch to the kmix osd code? | 22:19 |
| ScottK | debfx: I think it's essential to lose the untranslated string. The rest is negotiable. Would switching to the kmix OSD code allow you to avoid needing the Qt patch? | 22:21 |
| debfx | ScottK: no, the Qt patch has nothing to do with the OSD | 22:23 |
| ScottK | OK. That would have been nice too | 22:23 |
| ScottK | I think must have no untranslated text and I don't like the icon, I think it's too intrusive. Beyond that, I don't care much | 22:24 |
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