[00:20] <ScottK> Going straight to install works in the new KNE ISO.
[00:26] <ScottK> Confirmed the slider bar is fixed too.
[01:59] <shtylman> ScottK: no, I just got home
[01:59] <shtylman> ...ok...maybe it did get fixed :)
[02:21] <ScottK> shtylman: The slider bar is fixed.
[02:44] <ScottK> We have Kubuntu Netbook #3 in the house now (eldest's birthday present).
[02:49] <shtylman> ScottK: congrats
[02:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:49] <ScottK> It arrived today, so just in time for RC ISO testing.
[02:49] <shtylman> haha
[02:49] <shtylman> make/model?
[02:53] <ScottK> HP mini something
[02:53] <shtylman> heh
[02:53] <ScottK> It's the second one of those we got.
[02:53] <shtylman> cool
[02:53] <shtylman> like em?
[02:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:54] <ScottK> My Dell mini 10v has a touchpad that well make you want to throw it out a window.
[02:54] <shtylman> hahah
[02:54] <ScottK> The HP is much nicer.  Also has a drive light and a hardware airplane mode switch.
[02:55] <shtylman> nice
[02:57] <jjesse-netbook> yay for netbooks
[02:58] <jjesse-netbook> i like to do demos for work on mine with the VMs in the cloud :)
[03:38] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:38] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook_: Got broadcom working?
[03:38] <ScottK> All three of mine are broadcom and wireless is good.
[03:40] <jjesse-netbook_> ScottK: yes i did i posted to the list i think didnt i
[03:40] <ScottK> I think you did.
[03:41] <ScottK> I must confess my broadcom systems with their crap proprietary drivers have better wifi than my supposedly superior Intell system with all FOSS stuff.
[03:42] <shtylman> sshhh...don't say that :)
[03:43] <jjesse-netbook_> my internet is way slow tonight, wonder what e3lse im downloading on a nother machine :)
[03:43] <jjesse-netbook_> just configured ubuntu-one on my netbook, wish there was a kde version and it was cross platform like dropbox
[03:45] <ScottK> I have found a suspect for why my laptop won't turn the display on when I open the lid.
[03:45] <ScottK> Rebuilding -workspace now.
[03:45] <ScottK> If this fixes it, it'll be the last of my personal "WTF, this will drive me nuts if it isn't fixed before release" issues.
[03:46] <jjesse-netbook_> yay for solving those
[03:46] <jjesse-netbook_> my netbook is working really good these days
[08:30]  * Riddell cracks on with dvd i386 testing
[08:31] <Riddell> agateau: test report forwarded
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: ok, will read in a few minutes
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: got feedback from wstephenson,
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: he agrees with the idea, but proposed a different patch
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: will create a PPA for it today
[08:38] <Sput> ScottK: my intel wifi works flawlessly :)
[09:48]  * brot can help with testing :)
[09:58]  * asraniel is downloading the i386 live cd
[10:01]  * davmor2 is downloading all the iso's and has been for a while now speed up t'interweb
[10:03]  * apachelogger goes blogging :P
[10:04]  * tsimpson wonders why everyone is /me'ing
[10:05]  * apachelogger thinks that it might be me-day again
[10:05]  * apachelogger asks davmor2 to tell brot how to help with testing
[10:06] <davmor2> brot: Hello
[10:06]  * asraniel thinks, "noooo, the me day is over"
[10:10] <davmor2> brot: to get involved goto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com  sign up to the tracker.  Pick the test you want to do, do it mark if it passed or failed and add any bug numbers.
[10:11] <davmor2> brot: also the link to the iso you need to test is on the tracker too so you test the right one :)
[10:11] <davmor2> hope that helps
[11:29] <brot> davmor2: yeah, i am downloading the iso right now :)
[11:29] <davmor2> brot: Cool :)
[11:29] <brot> just had to get on the bus to drive from university to my home.
[11:37] <Riddell> brot: which ISO?
[11:37] <brot> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20091020.2/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[11:38] <Riddell> groovy
[11:42] <brot> Do i need to give additional comments (like, hardware i used ? )
[12:27] <brot> somehow the "Live Session Persistence" ( see http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession ) does not work. the "label" means "e2label /dev/sda1 casper-rw" right?
[12:50] <steveire> apachelogger: I like the help files idea.
[13:35] <agateau> Riddell: I am about to create a new deb for networkmanager,
[13:36] <agateau> I generated images for the wireless icons because they were unreadable and some sizes were missing,
[13:36] <agateau> resulting in a crappy tooltip
[13:36] <agateau> can I integrate these images as a plain patch?
[13:36] <agateau> (or is it a bad idea to do that this late in the schedule anyway)
[13:38] <Riddell> agateau: you can't include images in a normal patch, you need to do fiddly things with uuencode
[13:38] <Riddell> and it's probably not a good idea this late anyway
[13:38] <agateau> mmm... was afraid of something like that
[13:39] <agateau> too bad, you can hardly read the number on the tray icon
[13:39] <agateau> and the tooltip really looks blocky
[13:39] <Riddell> agateau: a worse icon bug is the wired connection which has an unplugged icon for a connected network
[13:40] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[13:40] <agateau> Riddell: do you want me to have a look at it?
[13:40] <Riddell> agateau: if you're at a lose end for things to do sure :)
[13:41] <Riddell> agateau: I think it's because the background icon doesn't change between unconnected and connected use, it just gets the wee bottom-left tick drawn over it
[13:41] <Riddell> which is too small for most people to notice
[13:41] <agateau> Riddell: I see
[13:42] <Riddell> agateau: if you want to make packages with binary changes in it, the easiest way is probably just to make your own .orig.tar.gz so it's 0.9~svn1029786+ag1-0ubuntu1 or similar
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:42] <Riddell> or you can get me to do it but I'm busy testing ISOs and upgrades today
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: I'll try to figure out how to do it
[13:47] <smarter> agateau: +1 for fixing that, the systray icon really is unreadable atm
[13:48] <smarter> I didn't even notice it was supposed to display a number :P
[13:48] <agateau> smarter: hehe
[13:48] <agateau> smarter: I replaced the number with a gauge
[13:49] <agateau> smarter: http://imagebin.ca/view/MIrQ8-i2.html
[13:50] <agateau> it is still blurry, but I am afraid this is because of the systray icon
[13:50] <smarter> looks good, but the old KNM icon is still better :P
[13:50] <agateau> smarter: hehe, I am not that much of an artist
[13:52] <smarter> we should try to get the knm devs to bring that one back: http://rajiva.amikom.ac.id/gambar/kaskus/knetworkmanager/knetwork_manager_2.png
[13:53] <Riddell> also the systray icon will probably be replaced by a plasmoid again at some point so no point spending too long on it
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: won't happen for Lucid though
[13:58] <Riddell> agateau: says wstephenson?
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: err. won't happen for Karmic
[13:59] <agateau> sorry
[13:59] <Riddell> easy mistake to make :)
[14:07] <smarter> btw, any idea if we're going LTS this time?
[14:12] <davmor2> ScottK: Wubi's working Just going to try unr's and kne's wish me luck :)
[14:15] <Riddell> smarter: LTS isn't for another six months, have patience
[14:16] <smarter> I meant Lucid when I said "this time" ;)
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: to create my new orig.tar.gz i must: untar the actual orig, put my files in the folder, tar the folder under the new name, update debian/changelog
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: do I miss something?
[14:22] <agateau> Riddell: mmm I probably need to do something with  the .dsc and .diff.gz as well
[14:24] <Riddell> agateau: just tar up the sources, not including the debian/ directory
[14:25] <Riddell> make sure it has the correct name  plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786+ag1.orig.tar.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> add in the debian/ directory
[14:25] <davmor2> Riddell: will there be a KDE instance of LTS for lucid?
[14:25] <Riddell> running    debuild -S   will create the .dsc and .diff.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, it's called Kubuntu
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:26] <davmor2> Riddell: I meant will there be an actual lts release this time?
[14:26] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, in six months time
[14:26] <davmor2> Cool
[14:29] <pgquiles> where's the source for printer-applet-kde ?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> pgquiles: it's in kdeutils, I believe
[14:31] <pgquiles> JontheEchidna: you mean it's developed in KDE's svn, not in a bzr repo in Launchpad?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:31] <pgquiles> found, thank you
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> well actually it hasn't been touched by anyone for a while, but there haven't really been any issues with it either
[14:52] <Riddell> pleae eye over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: "Welcome to Kubuntu 9.04"
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I can fix that
[14:57] <davmor2> Riddell: Is the right adept-manager in the repos now and no longer in proposed?
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> it got approved this morning I believe
[15:00] <Riddell> davmor2: it's in -updates
[15:06] <jussi01> arrgh, appot-kde is so full of fail...
[15:07] <davmor2> Riddell: just double checking that you didn't need to enable propased first :)
[15:07] <davmor2> proposed even
[15:08] <jussi01> is there a plan to fix the like 1 million apport windows that come up when several apps have crashed? ie. condense them into 1?
[15:11] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: wubi on kne only works :D
[15:26] <mcas> hi is anyone doing some iso tests?
[15:27] <mcas> i would start kubuntu desktop i386 manual partitioning if no one else did
[15:42] <agateau> Riddell: new knetworkmanager package in my ppa,
[15:43] <agateau> this one includes updated ascii wep keys after discussion with wstephenson,
[15:43] <agateau> and the new wireless icons
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> most of synaptic's bulk comes from libgnome-perl2, used for the GTK debconf frontend, and software-properties-gtk
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> otherwise synaptic doesn't depend on gnome
[16:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: 99%
[16:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: ... download complete.
[16:21] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Error occured after download was complete. Is this related to the fact that the update is startet out of chroot?
[16:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: How ever: Right now I am downloading Kubuntu 8.04 again, will write another CD and try that way again. Hopes are low, so.
[17:34] <agateau> Riddell: just uploaded another version of knetworkmanager, which uses a different icon for activated wired connection
[17:34] <agateau> for some reason it does not show up yet on LP though
[17:34] <agateau> have to go now
[17:34] <Riddell> bye
[17:34] <Riddell> aww
[17:36] <steveire> Riddell: How do I enable ctrl + alt backspace again?
[17:38] <debfx> steveire: Regional & language -> Keyboard Layout -> Advanced
[17:39] <steveire> Special keya handled in server?
[17:39] <steveire> keys*
[17:40] <debfx> Key sequence to kill the X server
[17:41] <steveire> I don't see that in xkb opions
[17:41] <debfx> are you using jaunty?
[17:41] <steveire> Yes
[17:42] <debfx> oh then you can use dontzap
[17:43] <steveire> Got a command line then?
[17:43] <debfx> dontzap -d
[17:43] <m4v> or use alt+print+k which has more or less the same effect
[17:44] <steveire> I ran sudo dontzap -d and I still can't restart it
[17:44] <m4v> it worked
[17:44] <debfx> ^^
[17:46] <steveire> alt print k works though
[17:47] <debfx> now ctrl+alt+backspace should also work
[17:47] <steveire> My second screen still doesn't work though.
[17:47] <steveire> And ctrl alt backspace still does not work
[17:49] <m4v> then you should try editing the xorg.conf by hand, but I don't remember the syntax
[17:49] <m4v> dontzap -d should have worked though :/
[17:50] <steveire> I do have dontzap False in my xorg.conf
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> I think that should be dontzap True
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe not
[17:51] <steveire> JontheEchidna: Not according to dontzap --help
[17:51] <m4v> it shouldn't be false? is a double negative...
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> bah, confusing option name
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> anyways, did you restart X since you modified the option?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> log out -> alt + e
[18:00] <ScottK> Also no dontzap in Karmic.
[18:00] <ScottK> It doesn't work anymore.
[18:01] <debfx> he's using jaunty
[18:03] <ScottK> Oh
[18:03] <ScottK> debfx: BTW, since the Qt patch is in qtcopy, I think your brightness stuff can go ahead to go in kde svn.
[18:11] <debfx> ScottK: ok, though I'll wait a bit to see if I fixed a bug that was reported yesterday
[18:19] <steveire> I'm still having an issue with dual screens. The other screen works, but all I get is a X mouse cursor. I can't actually use it.
[18:19] <steveire> Sound familiar?
[18:26] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/110255/ Does this mean anything to people who understand X?
[18:26] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/110255/
[18:28] <ScottK> steveire: You might ask on #ubuntu-x if you want people that understand X.
[18:28] <steveire> I'll try. Thanks.
[18:30] <firephoto> "wep 40/128-bit key" "wep 128-bit passphrase" are these two options in NM frontend what's causing problems? 128 key takes a password. 128 passphrase doesn't take a passphrase.
[18:32] <txwikinger> http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K
[18:32]  * txwikinger wonders if he should quiz Marcel about that on Friday
[18:32] <ScottK> Yeah, Riddell linked to that yesterday.
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: apachelogger says there's an untranslated string in the brightness OSD patch that just got uploaded.  I think this is a very bad idea.
[19:42] <markey> Riddell: plasma just crashed again
[19:42] <markey> I have a good backtrace now:
[19:42] <markey> http://pastebin.com/m600db609
[20:10] <ScottK> debfx: How would you feel about dropping the word "Brightness" from your patch (and the monitor icon too maybe) so we don't break translations with this change?
[20:27] <debfx> ScottK: yeah I guess we should drop that string but the icon should stay so it's still distinguishable from the audio volume OSD
[20:28] <ScottK> debfx: We don't have an icon for the volume OSD.  I really don't think it's needed since it's in direct response to a user pushing buttons.
[20:28] <nookie^> Riddell: i didnt yet had time to make an banner for final release but it will be done in time
[20:28] <ScottK> The fact that they are pushing the brightness button should be sufficient clue.
[20:47] <Tscheesy_> re *updating* ..slow..
[20:48] <Tscheesy_> ups - wrong chan
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> markey: looks like KDE bug 209004
[21:15] <markey> JontheEchidna: indeed
[21:15] <markey> same backtrace
[21:16] <markey> sigh, plasma's single process design...
[21:16] <markey> no good
[21:19] <neversfelde> was there a change to the brightness control lately?
[21:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:22] <neversfelde> something is broken with it here on my ideapad, the screen is dark sometimes and I have to change it back manually
[21:26] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[21:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: There was also a brightness related change on restore in powerdevil for 4.3.2.
[21:27] <neversfelde> ScottK: I haven't discovered the situation which causes the screen to be dark, yet. I will watch this.
[21:28] <ScottK> neversfelde: debfx got a brightness related change into -workspace yesterday or so and so he might have an idea
[21:28] <neversfelde> ok
[21:56] <debfx> neversfelde: when does this happen?
[21:56] <neversfelde> debfx: I am not sure, will try to find it out next time it happens
[22:00] <ScottK> What's the package name for our version of the message indicator?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget-messageindicator
[22:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> yw
[22:09] <debfx> ScottK: I still think it's a bit odd to have exactly the same OSD for volume and brightness change
[22:10] <ScottK> debfx: At this point the most minimal change we can make is the best.
[22:10] <ScottK> I don't think it's going to be confusing
[22:11] <ScottK> debfx: Also if it's the same we could make the case it's not a U/I freeze breaker, since it's not new U/I, just a different reason for the same U/I
[22:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:19] <debfx> ScottK: ok, so I should switch to the kmix osd code?
[22:21] <ScottK> debfx: I think it's essential to lose the untranslated string.  The rest is negotiable.  Would switching to the kmix OSD code allow you to avoid needing the Qt patch?
[22:23] <debfx> ScottK: no, the Qt patch has nothing to do with the OSD
[22:23] <ScottK> OK.  That would have been nice too
[22:24] <ScottK> I think must have no untranslated text and I don't like the icon, I think it's too intrusive.  Beyond that, I don't care much