[00:20] Going straight to install works in the new KNE ISO. [00:26] Confirmed the slider bar is fixed too. [01:59] ScottK: no, I just got home [01:59] ...ok...maybe it did get fixed :) [02:21] shtylman: The slider bar is fixed. === MsMaco is now known as maco [02:44] We have Kubuntu Netbook #3 in the house now (eldest's birthday present). [02:49] ScottK: congrats [02:49] Thanks. [02:49] It arrived today, so just in time for RC ISO testing. [02:49] haha [02:49] make/model? [02:53] HP mini something [02:53] heh [02:53] It's the second one of those we got. [02:53] cool [02:53] like em? [02:53] Yes. [02:54] My Dell mini 10v has a touchpad that well make you want to throw it out a window. [02:54] hahah [02:54] The HP is much nicer. Also has a drive light and a hardware airplane mode switch. [02:55] nice [02:57] yay for netbooks [02:58] i like to do demos for work on mine with the VMs in the cloud :) [03:38] ;-) [03:38] jjesse-netbook_: Got broadcom working? [03:38] All three of mine are broadcom and wireless is good. [03:40] ScottK: yes i did i posted to the list i think didnt i [03:40] I think you did. [03:41] I must confess my broadcom systems with their crap proprietary drivers have better wifi than my supposedly superior Intell system with all FOSS stuff. [03:42] sshhh...don't say that :) [03:43] my internet is way slow tonight, wonder what e3lse im downloading on a nother machine :) [03:43] just configured ubuntu-one on my netbook, wish there was a kde version and it was cross platform like dropbox [03:45] I have found a suspect for why my laptop won't turn the display on when I open the lid. [03:45] Rebuilding -workspace now. [03:45] If this fixes it, it'll be the last of my personal "WTF, this will drive me nuts if it isn't fixed before release" issues. [03:46] yay for solving those [03:46] my netbook is working really good these days === jjesse-netbook_ is now known as jjesse-netbook [08:30] * Riddell cracks on with dvd i386 testing [08:31] agateau: test report forwarded [08:31] Riddell: ok, will read in a few minutes [08:31] Riddell: got feedback from wstephenson, [08:32] Riddell: he agrees with the idea, but proposed a different patch [08:32] Riddell: will create a PPA for it today [08:38] ScottK: my intel wifi works flawlessly :) [09:48] * brot can help with testing :) [09:58] * asraniel is downloading the i386 live cd [10:01] * davmor2 is downloading all the iso's and has been for a while now speed up t'interweb [10:03] * apachelogger goes blogging :P [10:04] * tsimpson wonders why everyone is /me'ing [10:05] * apachelogger thinks that it might be me-day again [10:05] * apachelogger asks davmor2 to tell brot how to help with testing [10:06] brot: Hello [10:06] * asraniel thinks, "noooo, the me day is over" [10:10] brot: to get involved goto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com sign up to the tracker. Pick the test you want to do, do it mark if it passed or failed and add any bug numbers. [10:11] brot: also the link to the iso you need to test is on the tracker too so you test the right one :) [10:11] hope that helps === steveire_ is now known as steveire [11:29] davmor2: yeah, i am downloading the iso right now :) [11:29] brot: Cool :) [11:29] just had to get on the bus to drive from university to my home. [11:37] brot: which ISO? [11:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20091020.2/karmic-desktop-i386.iso [11:38] groovy [11:42] Do i need to give additional comments (like, hardware i used ? ) [12:27] somehow the "Live Session Persistence" ( see http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession ) does not work. the "label" means "e2label /dev/sda1 casper-rw" right? [12:50] apachelogger: I like the help files idea. [13:35] Riddell: I am about to create a new deb for networkmanager, [13:36] I generated images for the wireless icons because they were unreadable and some sizes were missing, [13:36] resulting in a crappy tooltip [13:36] can I integrate these images as a plain patch? [13:36] (or is it a bad idea to do that this late in the schedule anyway) [13:38] agateau: you can't include images in a normal patch, you need to do fiddly things with uuencode [13:38] and it's probably not a good idea this late anyway [13:38] mmm... was afraid of something like that [13:39] too bad, you can hardly read the number on the tray icon [13:39] and the tooltip really looks blocky [13:39] agateau: a worse icon bug is the wired connection which has an unplugged icon for a connected network [13:40] Riddell: oh [13:40] Riddell: do you want me to have a look at it? [13:40] agateau: if you're at a lose end for things to do sure :) [13:41] agateau: I think it's because the background icon doesn't change between unconnected and connected use, it just gets the wee bottom-left tick drawn over it [13:41] which is too small for most people to notice [13:41] Riddell: I see [13:42] agateau: if you want to make packages with binary changes in it, the easiest way is probably just to make your own .orig.tar.gz so it's 0.9~svn1029786+ag1-0ubuntu1 or similar [13:42] Riddell: ok [13:42] or you can get me to do it but I'm busy testing ISOs and upgrades today [13:42] Riddell: I'll try to figure out how to do it [13:47] agateau: +1 for fixing that, the systray icon really is unreadable atm [13:48] I didn't even notice it was supposed to display a number :P [13:48] smarter: hehe [13:48] smarter: I replaced the number with a gauge [13:49] smarter: http://imagebin.ca/view/MIrQ8-i2.html [13:50] it is still blurry, but I am afraid this is because of the systray icon [13:50] looks good, but the old KNM icon is still better :P [13:50] smarter: hehe, I am not that much of an artist [13:52] we should try to get the knm devs to bring that one back: http://rajiva.amikom.ac.id/gambar/kaskus/knetworkmanager/knetwork_manager_2.png [13:53] also the systray icon will probably be replaced by a plasmoid again at some point so no point spending too long on it [13:58] Riddell: won't happen for Lucid though [13:58] agateau: says wstephenson? [13:59] Riddell: err. won't happen for Karmic [13:59] sorry [13:59] easy mistake to make :) [14:07] btw, any idea if we're going LTS this time? [14:12] ScottK: Wubi's working Just going to try unr's and kne's wish me luck :) [14:15] smarter: LTS isn't for another six months, have patience [14:16] I meant Lucid when I said "this time" ;) [14:21] Riddell: to create my new orig.tar.gz i must: untar the actual orig, put my files in the folder, tar the folder under the new name, update debian/changelog [14:21] Riddell: do I miss something? [14:22] Riddell: mmm I probably need to do something with the .dsc and .diff.gz as well [14:24] agateau: just tar up the sources, not including the debian/ directory [14:25] make sure it has the correct name plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786+ag1.orig.tar.gz [14:25] add in the debian/ directory [14:25] Riddell: will there be a KDE instance of LTS for lucid? [14:25] running debuild -S will create the .dsc and .diff.gz [14:25] davmor2: yes, it's called Kubuntu [14:25] Riddell: ok thanks [14:26] Riddell: I meant will there be an actual lts release this time? [14:26] davmor2: yes, in six months time [14:26] Cool [14:29] where's the source for printer-applet-kde ? [14:30] pgquiles: it's in kdeutils, I believe [14:31] JontheEchidna: you mean it's developed in KDE's svn, not in a bzr repo in Launchpad? [14:31] yeah [14:31] found, thank you [14:31] well actually it hasn't been touched by anyone for a while, but there haven't really been any issues with it either === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [14:52] pleae eye over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 [14:54] Riddell: "Welcome to Kubuntu 9.04" [14:55] I suppose I can fix that [14:57] Riddell: Is the right adept-manager in the repos now and no longer in proposed? [14:58] it got approved this morning I believe [15:00] davmor2: it's in -updates [15:06] arrgh, appot-kde is so full of fail... [15:07] Riddell: just double checking that you didn't need to enable propased first :) [15:07] proposed even [15:08] is there a plan to fix the like 1 million apport windows that come up when several apps have crashed? ie. condense them into 1? [15:11] ScottK, Riddell: wubi on kne only works :D [15:26] hi is anyone doing some iso tests? [15:27] i would start kubuntu desktop i386 manual partitioning if no one else did [15:42] Riddell: new knetworkmanager package in my ppa, [15:43] this one includes updated ascii wep keys after discussion with wstephenson, [15:43] and the new wireless icons [16:15] most of synaptic's bulk comes from libgnome-perl2, used for the GTK debconf frontend, and software-properties-gtk [16:15] otherwise synaptic doesn't depend on gnome === smarter_ is now known as smarter [16:18] Riddell: 99% [16:18] Riddell: ... download complete. [16:21] Riddell: Error occured after download was complete. Is this related to the fact that the update is startet out of chroot? [16:22] Riddell: How ever: Right now I am downloading Kubuntu 8.04 again, will write another CD and try that way again. Hopes are low, so. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:34] Riddell: just uploaded another version of knetworkmanager, which uses a different icon for activated wired connection [17:34] for some reason it does not show up yet on LP though [17:34] have to go now [17:34] bye [17:34] aww [17:36] Riddell: How do I enable ctrl + alt backspace again? [17:38] steveire: Regional & language -> Keyboard Layout -> Advanced [17:39] Special keya handled in server? [17:39] keys* [17:40] Key sequence to kill the X server [17:41] I don't see that in xkb opions [17:41] are you using jaunty? [17:41] Yes [17:42] oh then you can use dontzap [17:43] Got a command line then? [17:43] dontzap -d [17:43] or use alt+print+k which has more or less the same effect [17:44] I ran sudo dontzap -d and I still can't restart it [17:44] it worked [17:44] ^^ [17:46] alt print k works though [17:47] now ctrl+alt+backspace should also work [17:47] My second screen still doesn't work though. [17:47] And ctrl alt backspace still does not work [17:49] then you should try editing the xorg.conf by hand, but I don't remember the syntax [17:49] dontzap -d should have worked though :/ [17:50] I do have dontzap False in my xorg.conf [17:50] I think that should be dontzap True [17:50] oh, maybe not [17:51] JontheEchidna: Not according to dontzap --help [17:51] it shouldn't be false? is a double negative... [17:51] bah, confusing option name [17:51] anyways, did you restart X since you modified the option? [17:51] log out -> alt + e [18:00] Also no dontzap in Karmic. [18:00] It doesn't work anymore. [18:01] he's using jaunty [18:03] Oh [18:03] debfx: BTW, since the Qt patch is in qtcopy, I think your brightness stuff can go ahead to go in kde svn. [18:11] ScottK: ok, though I'll wait a bit to see if I fixed a bug that was reported yesterday [18:19] I'm still having an issue with dual screens. The other screen works, but all I get is a X mouse cursor. I can't actually use it. [18:19] Sound familiar? [18:26] http://dpaste.com/110255/ Does this mean anything to people who understand X? [18:26] http://dpaste.com/110255/ [18:28] steveire: You might ask on #ubuntu-x if you want people that understand X. [18:28] I'll try. Thanks. [18:30] "wep 40/128-bit key" "wep 128-bit passphrase" are these two options in NM frontend what's causing problems? 128 key takes a password. 128 passphrase doesn't take a passphrase. [18:32] http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K [18:32] * txwikinger wonders if he should quiz Marcel about that on Friday [18:32] Yeah, Riddell linked to that yesterday. [18:58] Riddell: apachelogger says there's an untranslated string in the brightness OSD patch that just got uploaded. I think this is a very bad idea. [19:42] Riddell: plasma just crashed again [19:42] I have a good backtrace now: [19:42] http://pastebin.com/m600db609 [20:10] debfx: How would you feel about dropping the word "Brightness" from your patch (and the monitor icon too maybe) so we don't break translations with this change? [20:27] ScottK: yeah I guess we should drop that string but the icon should stay so it's still distinguishable from the audio volume OSD [20:28] debfx: We don't have an icon for the volume OSD. I really don't think it's needed since it's in direct response to a user pushing buttons. [20:28] Riddell: i didnt yet had time to make an banner for final release but it will be done in time [20:28] The fact that they are pushing the brightness button should be sufficient clue. [20:47] re *updating* ..slow.. [20:48] ups - wrong chan [20:52] markey: looks like KDE bug 209004 [20:52] KDE bug 209004 in widget-nowplaying "Plasma crashed after Amarok was closed [Plasma::DataContainer::setData, PlayerContainer::updateInfo]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209004 [21:15] JontheEchidna: indeed [21:15] same backtrace [21:16] sigh, plasma's single process design... [21:16] no good === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [21:19] was there a change to the brightness control lately? [21:20] Yes. [21:22] something is broken with it here on my ideapad, the screen is dark sometimes and I have to change it back manually [21:26] debfx: ^^^ [21:26] neversfelde: There was also a brightness related change on restore in powerdevil for 4.3.2. [21:27] ScottK: I haven't discovered the situation which causes the screen to be dark, yet. I will watch this. [21:28] neversfelde: debfx got a brightness related change into -workspace yesterday or so and so he might have an idea [21:28] ok [21:56] neversfelde: when does this happen? [21:56] debfx: I am not sure, will try to find it out next time it happens [22:00] What's the package name for our version of the message indicator? [22:01] plasma-widget-messageindicator [22:02] Thanks. [22:03] yw === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [22:09] ScottK: I still think it's a bit odd to have exactly the same OSD for volume and brightness change [22:10] debfx: At this point the most minimal change we can make is the best. [22:10] I don't think it's going to be confusing [22:11] debfx: Also if it's the same we could make the case it's not a U/I freeze breaker, since it's not new U/I, just a different reason for the same U/I [22:11] ;-) [22:19] ScottK: ok, so I should switch to the kmix osd code? [22:21] debfx: I think it's essential to lose the untranslated string. The rest is negotiable. Would switching to the kmix OSD code allow you to avoid needing the Qt patch? [22:23] ScottK: no, the Qt patch has nothing to do with the OSD [22:23] OK. That would have been nice too [22:24] I think must have no untranslated text and I don't like the icon, I think it's too intrusive. Beyond that, I don't care much