[00:00] <mersault> well, unfortunately I don't think any of the Xen tools support grub2, so to boot a paravirtualized 9.10 domU, I think I'm going to have to try and pull off using grub-legacy
[00:01] <cirdan_> ElijahCMenifee: yes the only problem with it is it can't shrink, only grow
[00:01] <oldude67> mersault, well i think i remember someone saying there was a way to go back to it, and that its posted in the forums some where but not sure where.
[00:02] <koshari> how does DeviceKit go detecting hotswapped sata disks?
[00:03] <gcl_> Argh, my sound card isn't appearing in the list of hardware devices in the sound preferences window. It was working perfectly in the live cd but after installing it isn't being detected anymore. Any ideas? I've tried compiling 1.0.21 from source but to no avail.
[00:04] <SonorKaj> actually i tried to back to grub -legacy but I had some errors that forced me to reinstall grub2...don't recall exactly what now
[00:04] <wirechief> lots of information in these:
[00:04] <wirechief> Have you looked at these?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2  also http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[00:04] <wirechief> Introduction
[00:06] <wirechief> i think that Introduction belongs on the url line
[00:06] <wirechief> im not exactly thrilled with grub2 but it looks like its here to stay.
[00:08] <RussellAlan> daily update = niiiiice
[00:09] <Bluey> if I am getting a "grub rescue" prompt - can I assume it will never work?
[00:09] <wirechief> i wonder if the fix for ext4 and grub2 if there is a dirty shutdown has finally been put into the latest daily.
[00:10] <Bluey> well I am dead in the saddle...
[00:11] <SonorKaj> update-grub
[00:11]  * mersault reboots into his hopefully grub-legacied 9.10
[00:12] <mersault> we have liftoff!
[00:13] <cirdan> grats
[00:13] <cirdan> hmm i wish apt-get had a progress meter, so i knew how many packages were left
[00:13] <RussellAlan> Hey guys, I know wrong forum for this question, but im in retard mode... how can i get ip for my nameservers? I can't seem to do it in name.com management
[00:14] <mzz> RussellAlan: you lost me at name.com
[00:14] <RussellAlan> lol
[00:14] <RussellAlan> hey mzz, how are you?
[00:15] <mzz> lost
[00:15] <RussellAlan> hah, uhm, i'm simple trying to find the ip of my nameservers.
[00:15] <RussellAlan> via terminal or whatever.
[00:15] <cirdan> hmm didn't whois ns1.foo.com used to work?
[00:15] <mzz> well, it depends on your definition of "mine"
[00:15] <wirechief> ive used 4.2.2.1 for a pinch, when i couldnt find mine, they are located in resolv.conf
[00:15] <cirdan> RussellAlan: cat /etc/resolv.conf?
[00:15] <RussellAlan> mzz: are you messing with me?
[00:16] <mzz> RussellAlan: do you mean you have a domain and your registrar needs to know the nameservers to use with it, or you have an internet connection and your os/programs need to know which ones to use to look up names?
[00:16] <RussellAlan> cirdan: ?
[00:16] <mzz> RussellAlan: because for the former you'd have to run your own nameservers, or get someone to run them for you, while for the latter you want your *isp*s name servers :)
[00:16] <RussellAlan> i, myself need the ip of 3 nameservers of, my own domain, so i can redirect a different domain to this ip
[00:16] <cirdan> whois foo.com?
[00:16] <mzz> RussellAlan: then that depends on who's providing that service for you, and you should ask them, afaik
[00:17] <RussellAlan> right, i'll give a backlog... lol
[00:17] <mzz> although this kind of networking isn't really my area of expertise either
[00:17] <RussellAlan> thats not the problem, lol but thanks for your confusiong ;-)
[00:17]  * cirdan wanders around lost
[00:17] <RussellAlan> cirdan: yeah, that should work, i just have had not much sleep and too much to drink last night... brain went mush.
[00:18] <mzz> "whois" can tell you what the nameservers for the existing domain(s) are, but simply pointing one domain at different nameservers won't do what you want unless those domain servers know how to answer queries for the other domain
[00:19] <RussellAlan> I just like asking questions like this, because then i go into terminal and do work i normally wouldnt do.
[00:19] <RussellAlan> now that i think about it =D
[00:20] <dakira> Xorg Question: since the dontzap option is not available anymore (in karmic) and handled by XKB: How do I re-enable the good old ctrl-alt-+ (plus) combo which reset the resolution to the default (e.g. when a game didn't return from its 800x600 res)?
[00:20] <RussellAlan> i love the new upgrade... it's the best yet because it jacked up my windows partition... which is what i needed
[00:22] <dakira> RussellAlan: lol
[00:22] <RussellAlan> ;-)
[00:22] <RussellAlan> nice cover up huh?
[00:23] <RussellAlan> I found the Manage Name Servers button in my registrar
[00:25] <jbuncher> Is anyone running into Bug #449888?
[00:31]  * BUGabundo $ echo sleep > /proc/sys/human/BUGabundo; reboot
[00:31] <test34> nautilus[2128]: segfault at 18 ip 00000000004cc67e sp 00007fffd2cd9ae0 error 4 in nautilus[400000+1ae000]
[00:32] <test34> while deleting 400 images
[00:32] <tonyyarusso> Could someone explain to me how I can use rsync to download the final ISO images after release with less bandwidth impact?
[00:32] <tonyyarusso> (I've heard other people say they've done that in the past)
[00:32] <mzz> bandwidth impact?
[00:32] <mzz> compared to what?
[00:33] <mzz> I'd expect rsync to be comparable-ish to plain old ftp/http bandwidth-wise for this use case
[00:34] <test34> tonyyarusso, use torrent or some not busy mirrors
[00:34] <Guest34396> if you use it pre release it supposedly only downloads the changes to the disk, thus using less bandwidth
[00:34] <tonyyarusso> mzz: compared to wget/http
[00:34] <mzz> rsync can do that if they're many files and only some of them changed
[00:34] <tonyyarusso> test34: The torrents take a while to get going on release day
[00:35] <test34> tonyyarusso, you could extract the iso and use rsync
[00:35] <mzz> no wait, apparently I lied
[00:35] <mzz> sec
[00:35] <tonyyarusso> I was under the impression rsync could "see" the changes inside of the ISO - I'm not aware of an extracted copy on the servers to compare against.
[00:35] <test34> (a previous ISO)
[00:36] <tonyyarusso> Right, I would be updating a daily build from earlier
[00:36] <mzz> still, I wonder how well that works on the whole iso
[00:37] <mzz> I'd expect it to work fairly well on the files the iso is built out of, but am not aware of the iso being available for rsync unpacked
[00:39]  * xrandr wants a 50" LCD flatscreen for his next monitor :)   ... random thought for the day :)
[00:40] <IndyGunFreak> how do you remove old entries in grub now?  seems menu.lst is gone
[00:40] <mzz> uninstall old kernels, rerun update-grub2
[00:40] <mzz> err, except the second step is automatic
[00:40] <mzz> menu.lst is menu.cfg now, but it's normally autogenerated just like menu.lst was autogenerated
[00:41] <xguru> menu.lst is now called grub.cfg    *i think*
[00:41] <RussellAlan> I just plugged in my media card (sdcard) and i got no confirmation it was loaded.
[00:41] <RussellAlan> where do i go to check that out?
[00:41] <mzz> err, yes
[00:41] <mzz> xguru's right
[00:43] <RussellAlan> i think my sdcard got corrupt some how, still runs on phone but cant recognize it in kubuntu or windows
[00:43] <xguru> bad sd drive?  got another chip to test?
[00:43] <mzz> anything interesting about it in dmesg?
[00:44] <Bluey> deep trouble - HELP
[00:44] <IndyGunFreak> where do you uninstall the old kernels.. synaptic?
[00:44] <Bluey> i accidentily installed 9.10 on my 1 t/b drive --
[00:44] <mzz> IndyGunFreak: your favorite apt frontend
[00:45] <mzz> IndyGunFreak: also, iirc the janitor can do it
[00:45] <mzz> (administration -> computer janitor, that is)
[00:45] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i used to always use autoremove to remove them, but i guess that doesn't work anymore
[00:45] <Bluey> not a problem -but I don't want it there - ra gparted reformatted it, and when I try to boot off my hard drive with the 1 t/b drive disconnected, it goes into rescue mode...
[00:45] <mzz> IndyGunFreak: iirc by default ubuntu does something to get them not autoremoved. There are probably ways to undo said something, but I haven't really dug into that.
[00:46] <RussellAlan> Whats the package name for adobe air?
[00:46] <IndyGunFreak> mzz, yeah, no big deal, looks like janitor will do the trick.
[00:46] <mzz> Bluey: reinstall grub on the regular drive, probably (just boot off a cd, chroot in, then set up grub as desired)
[00:47] <IndyGunFreak> hm, well now janitor is froze up.
[00:47] <RussellAlan> Whats the package name for adobe air?
[00:48] <test34> RussellAlan, no need to repeat
[00:48] <Bluey> mzz: how to do re-run grub (i.e. what command do I give? grub install "/dev/hd0" ?
[00:48] <RussellAlan> sorry.
[00:49] <IndyGunFreak> does adobe air have a linux version?
[00:49] <RussellAlan> That's what it is for I believe, to be multi platform.
[00:49] <virtuald> !grub
[00:50] <RussellAlan> http://get.adobe.com/air/
[00:50] <RussellAlan> IndyGunFreak:
[00:51] <xguru> RussellAlan: i found how on 9.04 not saying it will work on karmic   http://www.sucka.net/2009/07/ubuntu-9-04-64bit-adobe-air-install/
[00:51] <xguru> *64bit as well
[00:51] <IndyGunFreak> RussellAlan, well it has a linux package, downloda and install it
[00:52] <RussellAlan> yeah i am trying, but i think that liist of commands xguru gave me is important.
[00:53] <altavatar> I noticed a new notification icon that's reporting that one of my drives has "many bad sectors" it lists the hd model #, but all my drives are the same model. How can i find out which actual device has issues?
[00:53] <cuddlefish> Hello, everyone! I am using Ubuntu One with one UNR Karmic computer and one regular Karmic. Completely different hardware. Anyways, the system tray icon shows 2 arrows with a !, then changes to a cloud with a ! . It always wants me to reauthenticate. I've authenticated about 25 times now, with no luck. Help, please?
[00:54] <Bluey> it wants the file system - which is reiserfs how do I tell mount that?
[00:54] <IndyGunFreak> RussellAlan, it seems to be installing fine for me
[00:55] <altavatar> nvm, the HD Disk Utility shows all that data
[00:55] <IndyGunFreak> RussellAlan, what type of packages does it install?
[00:56] <RussellAlan> sorry? I'm not sure I'll see here soon, I hope to get dreamweaver and photoshop running... without wine
[00:56] <RussellAlan> although I haven't successfully even used wine because I'm not sure how to point it to my volume.
[00:56] <pepee> hi
[00:57] <RussellAlan> Hmm xguru, I installed it, but what do I do next?
[00:57] <cuddlefish> Can someone please help me?
[00:57] <RussellAlan> Confused.
[00:57] <dakira> Xorg Question: since the dontzap option is not available anymore (in karmic) and handled by XKB: How do I re-enable the good old ctrl-alt-+ (plus) combo which reset the resolution to the default (e.g. when a game didn't return from its 800x600 res)?
[00:58] <xguru> cuddlefish: when your talking about authenticating your talking about the webpage authentication?
[00:58] <cuddlefish> Yep
[00:58] <RussellAlan> At this point you should now be able to Run the Adobe Air Application Installer located in your Applications > Accessories menu.  From there you can choose the *.air installation file you wish to install.
[00:58] <xguru> say it isn't your.....relogin and save password....ignore the fact that it thinks it knows you already
[00:58] <RussellAlan> ??
[00:58] <mzz> dakira: I haven't needed to switch resolutions recently, but if for some reason ctrl+alt+something doesn't do it try "xrandr -s 0" in a term, iirc
[00:59] <cuddlefish> Not only is U1 dead, but now firefox launches at each boot.
[00:59] <IndyGunFreak> RussellAlan, so where can i download a .air file to try it?
[00:59] <RussellAlan> IndyGunFreak: we're in the same boat =D
[00:59] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[01:00] <IndyGunFreak> it seems to have worked fine though, i've got a menu entry for it and what not
[01:00] <xguru> RussellAlan: if you installed it correctly, air will be located right where you said it would.  Application-Accessories
[01:00] <RussellAlan> where is the menu entry?
[01:00] <RussellAlan> I dont have an Application-Accessories in my menu lol
[01:00] <cuddlefish> Whoa, time travel.
[01:00] <dakira> mzz: IIRC xrandr doesn't work with nvidia drivers
[01:00] <mzz> ah, I don't have any of those
[01:01] <bjsnider> xrandr 1.2 has not been added yet
[01:01] <RabidWeezle> what's up with flash-nonfree on x64?
[01:01] <RabidWeezle> just locks up my firefox :(
[01:01] <dakira> mzz: yep.. doesn't do anything ;)
[01:01] <pepee> someone can give me recommendations for configuring my xorg.conf? -> Radeon 2100, ubuntu karmic
[01:01] <xguru> RussellAlan: why don't you have the Applications menu?
[01:01] <dakira> mzz: nobody in #xorg cares to reply.. that channel is obviously dead ;)
[01:02] <RussellAlan> I have Applications men xguru, just not accessories
[01:02] <cuddlefish> Please, somebody, help.
[01:02] <RussellAlan> its under Utilities
[01:02] <RabidWeezle> nevermind it's working now :/
[01:02] <mzz> dakira: that channel usually doesn't care about closed-source drivers (see its /topic)
[01:03] <xguru> RussellAlan: so you found it then?
[01:03] <RussellAlan> xguru: yessur
[01:03] <xguru> good deal....
[01:03] <virtuald> pepee: if you need one, make it minimal
[01:03] <xguru> cuddlefish: i need more info to help
[01:03] <RussellAlan> xguru: Hmm although, what do I do? I guess dreamweaver or photoshop aren't meant for air?
[01:04] <Bluey> got it many thanks
[01:05] <cuddlefish> I am using Ubuntu One with one UNR Karmic computer and one regular Karmic. Completely different hardware. Anyways, it always wants me to reauthenticate. I've authenticated about 25 times now, with no luck. I can SUCCESFULLY sync with "u1sync" but not through the GUI. On one of my boxes, it says it succeeds but does nothing. On the other, the system tray icon shows 2 arrows with a !, then changes to a cloud with a !
[01:05] <xguru> RussellAlan: not sure...
[01:05] <dakira> mzz: I didn't mention any drivers in my question.. I only asked how I can re-enable ctrl-alt-plus
[01:05] <mzz> ah
[01:05] <mzz> well, still see its topic
[01:07] <cuddlefish> That enough info?
[01:07] <mzz> dakira: fwiw: ctrl+alt+minus seems to at least be picked up by X correctly out of the box here
[01:08] <xguru> cuddlefish: i haven't had that problem.  Doesn't make sense.  I will do some looking for a solution
[01:08] <mzz> dakira: needs me to hit the keypad minus, not the regular one, and I only see it blink the screen once, because I only have one resolution configured
[01:10] <xguru> cuddlefish: i haven't had that problem.  Doesn't make sense.  I will do some looking for a solution
[01:11] <xguru> oops...sorry for the repeat
[01:14] <dakira> mzz: good to know.. thx!
[01:15] <RabidWeezle> woah, audacious 2 rocks
[01:15] <RabidWeezle> like old school xmms with a new gtk2 look
[01:18] <xrandr> its way too xmms-ish
[01:18]  * xrandr likes Songbird
[01:18] <RabidWeezle> o_O
[01:18] <RabidWeezle> xmms is ftw
[01:18] <xrandr> more iTunes-ish
[01:18]  * xrandr shakes his fist @ apple... why haven't you made iTunes for linux?!?!
[01:18] <RabidWeezle> because we don't need it? xD
[01:20] <RabidWeezle> just kidding
[01:20] <RabidWeezle> there is no excuse for it
[01:20] <RabidWeezle> they can borrow from opensource, but they can't give back, that's just how it is
[01:23] <bjsnider> why should apple produce a linux build of itunes?
[01:23] <bjsnider> and why on earth would linux users want or need it?
[01:23] <bjsnider> the very suggestion reeks of insanity
[01:23] <ArkoldThos> bjsnider, for selling us music with itunes store
[01:23] <ArkoldThos> :p
[01:24] <bjsnider> you sure don't need it to communicate with your ipod if you're unfortunate enough to own one
[01:24] <bjsnider> ArkoldThos, put me at the head of the line for that
[01:24]  * RabidWeezle owns a psp if he wants to listen to music on the road :/
[01:25] <ArkoldThos> unfortunate? there aren't many portable music things that are actually good :p
[01:25] <RabidWeezle> zune?
[01:25] <ArkoldThos> ipod isn't that good but does its job
[01:25] <ArkoldThos> zune 2 pwns :) sadly no zune outside usa
[01:25] <RabidWeezle> ebay?
[01:25] <ArkoldThos> shipping :p
[01:25] <bjsnider> try the cowon iaudio
[01:25] <bjsnider> listen to music in any format
[01:26] <RabidWeezle> there's an open mp3 player you solder together yourself :)
[01:26] <ArkoldThos> that would be cool :)
[01:26] <RabidWeezle> make your own firmware if you want
[01:26] <ArkoldThos> i want that open mobile phone
[01:26] <ArkoldThos> how it is named...
[01:26] <ArkoldThos> openmoko
[01:26] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a hardware expert here for kubuntu
[01:26] <RabidWeezle> I just got off kubuntu, switched to studio :/
[01:26] <ArkoldThos> what you mean with hardware expert? xd
[01:27] <RabidWeezle> CPrgmSwR2, just ask the question bud, we will answer it if we know
[01:28] <CPrgmSwR2> I am pretty computer savy and wanted to see if I could solve my sound problem
[01:28] <CPrgmSwR2> I filed a bug for it
[01:28] <CPrgmSwR2> #455912
[01:28] <ArkoldThos> lets see
[01:29] <bjsnider> CPrgmSwR2, the sound expert is dtchen/crimsun
[01:29] <ArkoldThos> damn internet is slow :p launchpad is taking years to open
[01:30] <mzz> launchpad's not all that fast frequently
[01:30] <ArkoldThos> CPrgmSwR2, got it working on jaunty?
[01:30] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[01:30] <ArkoldThos> CPrgmSwR2, try this, may or may not work but try it doesn't do nothing :p
[01:30] <ArkoldThos> sudo alsa force-reload
[01:31] <ArkoldThos> then open alsamixer and unmute all
[01:33] <CPrgmSwR2> ArkoldThos: thnx, however that did nothing
[01:33] <ArkoldThos> :( worked here :p
[01:33] <ArkoldThos> have to do that each reboot
[01:34]  * Polarina can't wait for 10.4.
[01:34] <ArkoldThos> what is on the roadmap?
[01:35] <CPrgmSwR2> Polarina: nothing to wait for realy
[01:35] <ArkoldThos> nvm, i'll see
[01:35] <Polarina> Why? Maybe at least they will fix my sound card driver! It's been broken since 8.04.
[01:35] <CPrgmSwR2> Polarina: what sound card?
[01:35] <ArkoldThos> rofl
[01:35] <ArkoldThos> will be a paying distro?
[01:35] <Polarina> CPrgmSwR2: Some card on my laptop.
[01:36] <CPrgmSwR2> is it a HP NVidia MCP67 sound card?
[01:36] <Polarina> I don't remember.
[01:36] <Polarina> I'd have to boot it and check.
[01:36] <Polarina> One moment.
[01:36] <CPrgmSwR2> wait
[01:36] <CPrgmSwR2> type in lspci
[01:36] <ArkoldThos> nvm, read smth of december 28, damn fools
[01:36] <Polarina> I know, I am booting.
[01:37] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[01:37] <CPrgmSwR2> I thought you said reboot
[01:37] <Polarina> :P
[01:38] <CPrgmSwR2> Maybe I should go by myself an HP labtop
[01:38] <CPrgmSwR2> oops
[01:38] <RPG_Master> Why do some buttons lag?
[01:38] <RPG_Master> when I click them
[01:38] <CPrgmSwR2> a DELL linux laptop
[01:39] <Polarina> CPrgmSwR2: 00:1b.0 Audio Device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[01:40] <CPrgmSwR2> ah okay
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> Polarina, got the same one
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> you got problems using it?
[01:40] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: Yes.
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> sec, i have done a guide on my blog
[01:40] <Polarina> Hurray! :D
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> http://arkold.com/825-intel-audio-issue-fix-in-karmic-koala
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> worked for me not sure there
[01:40] <ArkoldThos> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[01:40] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: If this works, I'll mail you a dollar.
[01:41] <ArkoldThos> is almost the same D:
[01:41] <bjsnider> you shouldn't need a guide to making a simple oboard sound chip work. it should work automatically and without need for adjustment
[01:42] <ArkoldThos> doesn't work correctly while updated to karmic D:
[01:42] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: I don't have that line in my alsa-base.conf.
[01:42] <CPrgmSwR2> apparently karmic broke a few sound cards with what ever it updated
[01:42] <ArkoldThos> then add it :p
[01:43] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: Your blog says to comment it out.
[01:43] <ArkoldThos> lets see xd
[01:43] <ArkoldThos> oh true D:
[01:43] <ArkoldThos> well do the other stuff then :p
[01:43] <Polarina> What stuff?
[01:43] <ArkoldThos> sudo alsa force-reload
[01:44] <ArkoldThos> then go alsamixer and unmute it
[01:45] <Polarina> Alsamixer doesn't work.
[01:45] <ArkoldThos> puff :(
[01:46] <bjsnider> does the sound chip work if you just boot a karmic livecd?
[01:47] <bjsnider> upgrades don't always work as well as clean installs
[01:47] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: I have a clean install
[01:47] <Polarina> In Ubuntu 7.10 I had to add "options snd-hda-intel model=acer" (it's a mitac computer), but that doesn't work anymore.
[01:47] <Polarina> It hasn't in 8.04, 8.10 nor 9.04 (I haven't tested 9.10 yet).
[01:47] <bjsnider> CPrgmSwR2, with an intel hd audio card?
[01:48] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: no hp
[01:48] <CPrgmSwR2> oops
[01:48] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: nvidia sound card
[01:48] <bjsnider> yeah
[01:48] <bjsnider> when buying a laptop, try to avoid anything that's not intel
[01:49] <bjsnider> nvidia chipsets, nvidia sound chips, nvidia network chips, anything but the graphics cards are suspect
[01:49] <ArkoldThos> always avoid that :o many problems with them
[01:49] <Polarina> Oh, my, god, it actually works (it didn't when 9.04 was released). :S
[01:49] <ArkoldThos> as far i know nforce chipset will be deprecated
[01:49] <ArkoldThos> Polarina, =)
[01:49] <ArkoldThos> what did you add?
[01:49] <bjsnider> yes i think they've given up on nforce now
[01:49] <bjsnider> nvidia i mean
[01:49] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: really
[01:49] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: options snd-hda-intel model=acer
[01:50] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: so basically nvidia is no longer linux freindly
[01:50] <ArkoldThos> okay :o got an acer pc?
[01:50] <bjsnider> CPrgmSwR2, they recently announced they're getting out of the chipset business, IIRC
[01:50] <ArkoldThos> CPrgmSwR2, never was :p
[01:50] <ArkoldThos> their chipset aren't that good since a long time ago
[01:50] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: No, Mitac.
[01:50] <ArkoldThos> oki
[01:51] <Polarina> Now to figure how to boost the volume.
[01:51] <ArkoldThos> alsamixer
[01:51] <Polarina> alsamixer doesn't work, it refuses to start.
[01:52] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: so does that mean I will no longer have sound in linux
[01:52] <bjsnider> do you have it now?
[01:52] <CPrgmSwR2> bjsnider: no
[01:52] <bjsnider> that's the real question
[01:52] <CPrgmSwR2> but I had it in 9.04
[01:52] <bjsnider> somebody will get angry and make a driver for it that works, but it might take 270 years
[01:52] <ArkoldThos> Polarina, happened to a friend, install alsamixer gui
[01:52] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: http://codepad.org/3A3HS2RV
[01:53] <bjsnider> and by that time you'll likely be either dead or extremely sedentary
[01:54] <CPrgmSwR2> but then how did it work in the past?
[01:54] <bjsnider> well, alsa changes
[01:54] <CPrgmSwR2> I guess I don't understand why the support for the driver gets deprecated
[01:54] <bjsnider> as dtchen would say, pulseaudio uses more features of sound chips, exposing weaknesses in the underlying drivers
[01:55] <Rotund2> Is anyone else not able to start couchdb?
[01:55] <Rotund2> I'm not sure if I broke it or not
[01:56] <ArkoldThos> Polarina, unplug the headphones and speakers
[01:56] <ArkoldThos> and try to open alsamixer
[01:56] <mzz> you broke it
[01:56] <mzz> Rotund2: there was an update recently that was supposed to unbreak it
[01:56] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: I have no headphones plugged in.
[01:56] <ArkoldThos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=503514
[01:57] <Rotund2> mzz: just got it... still throws up on startup
[01:57] <Rotund2> mzz: updated couch and erlang
[01:57] <mzz> hum
[01:57] <mzz> Rotund2: I'm not running it myself though
[01:58] <CPrgmSwR2> is pulseaudio something new in kubuntu 9.10
[01:58] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: iirc kubuntu doesn't pull in pulse by default
[01:58] <mzz> I could be wrong about that, I don't run kubuntu myself either
[01:58] <mzz> Rotund2: fails how?
[01:59] <Rotund2> mzz:root@joe-laptop:/var/log/couchdb# couchdb
[01:59] <Rotund2> Apache CouchDB 0.10.0 (LogLevel=info) is starting.
[01:59] <Rotund2> {"init terminating in do_boot",{{badmatch,{error,shutdown}},[{couch_server_sup,start_server,1},{erl_eval,do_apply,5},{erl_eval,exprs,5},{init,start_it,1},{init,start_em,1}]}}
[01:59] <Rotund2> Crash dump was written to: erl_crash.dump
[01:59] <Rotund2> init terminating in do_boot ()
[01:59] <mzz> hmm
[02:00] <Rotund2> It takes a second before the crash dump appears... only about a second
[02:00] <mzz> Rotund2: the debian changelog mentions "create /var/log/couchdb so that couchdb installs/runs"
[02:00] <mzz> Rotund2: did that actually happen on your system?
[02:01] <Rotund2> mzz: yeah, though the permissions seemed high so I 777ed it to test... still broke
[02:01] <mzz> Rotund2: I guess you need to find someone who speaks erlang and can decipher that error message, or possibly strace it and look for anything suspicious
[02:02] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: The speakers work, but when I plug a headset to the computer, it won't work.
[02:02] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: so am I just SOL then for sound
[02:02] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: I haven't been paying attention to the issue you're actually having, lemme skim my backlog
[02:02] <CPrgmSwR2> basically I have no sound
[02:03] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: so does alsa see the card?
[02:03] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: wait, lemme start from the top
[02:03] <Rotund2> mzz: /var/log/couchdb/0.10.0 wasn't made... fixed
[02:03] <CPrgmSwR2> I think so
[02:03] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: is pulse installed and running (it's ok if it's not!)
[02:03] <CPrgmSwR2> yes its installed
[02:03] <ArkoldThos> Polarina, plug the headset where the speakers get plugged
[02:03] <ArkoldThos> D:
[02:03] <CPrgmSwR2> #445912
[02:03] <mzz> Rotund2: fun. Might want to check out/comment on bug 453049 afaik
[02:04] <Rotund2> mzz: will do
[02:04] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: is it also running (again, it's ok if it's not? In fact I somewhat prefer it not to be :)
[02:04] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: ? The speakers are built-in.
[02:04] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: how do I find out
[02:04] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: something like "ps ax|grep pulse" should do
[02:04]  * pilif12p sighs
[02:04] <ArkoldThos> oh
[02:05] <pilif12p> ^^Wrong network
[02:05] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: yes its running
[02:05] <Rotund2> CPrgmSwR2, it's not an HP dv3 laptop is it?
[02:05] <CPrgmSwR2> its an HP dv9000 laptop
[02:05] <petafile> I'm trying to install libmpich2 on karmic and I get this error any ideas how to fix it?  update-alternatives: error: alternative mpic++ can't be slave of mpi: it is a slave of mpicc
[02:05] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: bah. Does pulse think you have a sound card (I don't know where a pulse-enabled volume control hides if you're running kde, if it doesn't have one consider installing and running pavucontrol)
[02:05] <pilif12p> mzz: You should know what i'm sighing about, check moznet
[02:05] <pilif12p> Do killall pulseaudio
[02:05] <pilif12p> i think
[02:05] <mzz> pilif12p: I'm in 30ish channels there. Can you be more specific?
[02:05] <pilif12p> heh
[02:06] <pilif12p> the sumo one
[02:06] <pilif12p> not dev
[02:06] <CPrgmSwR2> done
[02:06] <pilif12p> And you're in 24 ;)
[02:06] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: might want to just temporarily shut down pulse and see if "alsamixer" and "aplay" can use the card
[02:07] <CPrgmSwR2> nothing
[02:08] <CPrgmSwR2> I have download a wav file that I keep trying to play
[02:08] <CPrgmSwR2> using #aplay duckjob.wav
[02:08] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: does alsamixer see a somewhat reasonable number of channels, and are they unmuted?
[02:08] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: also try messing around with any switches alsamixer sees
[02:08] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: everything is on
[02:08] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: ok, then I'd start hunting for reports from others with similar hardware
[02:09] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: I have tried and I cannot find anything
[02:09] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: remember pulse uses alsa for sound playback, but also normally sets up a plugin that causes regular apps that try to use alsa to be rerouted through pulse (at least that was done by default in the past)
[02:10] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: so I'd start with temp-disabling pulse and getting just alsamixer and aplay to work
[02:10] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: thats what i have been trying to do
[02:10] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: what does /proc/asound/cards look like?
[02:10] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: I changed the model to "basic" and it works perfectly now. :)
[02:11] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: if you take a look at but #455912
[02:11] <CPrgmSwR2> there are a bunch of attachements with that informaiton
[02:11] <mzz> ubottu: bug 455912
[02:11] <ArkoldThos> okay, will add that to my site for people that needs iT =)
[02:11] <mzz> meh, silly slow launchpad
[02:12] <Polarina> ArkoldThos: "options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=basic"  (Not sure if that probe_mask is required).
[02:12] <CPrgmSwR2>  0 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[02:12] <CPrgmSwR2> thats all that is listed
[02:12] <CPrgmSwR2> is that normal
[02:12] <ArkoldThos> basic" ? not "basic"?
[02:12] <ArkoldThos> is the same shit x.x why i ask D:
[02:13] <ArkoldThos> addded to my post
[02:13] <hudnix> whee... upgrade complete.
[02:13] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: I'm guessing you tried with IEC958 off too?
[02:13] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: let me try again
[02:14] <Clark3934> My upgrade is hanging and my screen is flashing.  Is there a good place to get some help?  I don't want to crash my system on reboot.
[02:15] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: tired with all different combinations of IEC958 on and off
[02:18] <CPrgmSwR2> mzz: should I try downoad obsolute drivers
[02:18] <CPrgmSwR2> nevermind its already installed
[02:19] <CPrgmSwR2> is it prehaps that I am using the amd64 version that could be my problem
[02:23] <mzz> CPrgmSwR2: possible there's an issue with this hardware. I'd search for others with the same (or very similar) hardware
[02:24] <CPrgmSwR2> there is one for MCP61
[02:25] <CPrgmSwR2> I am very surprized at how well the wireless works
[02:40] <panfist> hey, anyone know how karmic is on the acer aspire one?
[02:41] <Clark3934> Hung on upgrade using upgrade-manager.  Gnome (compiz?) is slowly pulsing from dark to light grey every ~15s or so.  What does this mean?
[02:48] <Hillshum> Is there a way to find the signal coming from the touch-sensitive buttons at the top of my keyboard?
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> Clark3934, whatever it means, probably not good
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> CPrgmSwR2, well, it depends on your wireless device..w hats your device
[02:52] <Clark3934> @IndyGunFreak, it's hanging on "Searching for obsolete software", specifically "Processing triggers for pythong support ...".  What's the best way to get out of this situation with out (potentially) breaking my system?
[02:59] <syk> im trying to edit grub.cfg by doing sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg but when i save it, it tells me could not save you are trying to save the file on a read-only disk
[03:00] <IdleOne> syk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#grub.cfg (/boot/grub/grub.cfg)
[03:00] <syk> ah ty
[03:02] <IndyGunFreak> i really don't understand why they switched to grub2.. seems kinda silly
[03:05] <DaZ> switch back to 1 and live a happy life
[03:10] <oldude67> i have a feeling with them switching to grub2 that there is a big change that is probably going to happen.
[03:10] <oldude67> but of course , me coming from slack, and being use to lilo. i still have issues with grub.
[03:11] <coz_> \join #xchat
[03:11] <coz_> sorry I used the wrong slash for that ^^
[03:11] <coz_> lol
[03:12] <jjardon> Devhelp 2.28 (part of gnome 2.28) is not included in karmic, is there any reason for this?
[03:13] <oldude67> jjardon, i dont know for sure, but i have been having issues with gnome for a while..broken packages and all.
[03:13] <jjardon> I've filled a bug for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/+bug/451864
[03:16] <oldude67> well lets see if we can make her crash..havent done it for a while..wish me luck..lmao
[03:16] <jjardon> oldude67, that is normal, karmic is a beta ;). The problem is devhelp is part of gnome 2.28 ... don't know why it's not in karmic yet :(
[03:17] <oldude67> jjardon, probably to busy working on trying to get gnome 3 out.
[03:18] <webbb182> i just opened update manager and it wants to do a partial update what should i do
[03:19] <jjardon> oldude67, devhelp 2.28 is already released
[03:19] <jjardon> but ubuntu don't packet it
[03:20] <webbb182> is it safe to do a partial
[03:20] <webbb182> i just did apt-get -f install but that only found 2 things
[03:21] <oldude67> i avoid the partials like the plague.
[03:21] <webbb182> tthis is what -f instll found   libopenjpeg2 libdirac0c2a
[03:23] <webbb182> there is 226 files in the partial upgrade that doesnt seem rite
[03:24] <webbb182> but if i run apt-get upgrade it doesnt say anything about a partial upgrade  so is that mean its not partial
[03:30] <webbb182> any advice?
[03:32] <jjardon> webbb182, try with sudo aptitude upgrade
[03:33] <webbb182> The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
[03:33] <webbb182>   libsctp1
[03:33] <webbb182> 227 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[03:33] <webbb182> Need to get 132MB of archives. After unpacking 3,375kB will be freed.
[03:33] <webbb182> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
[03:33] <webbb182> sorry
[03:34] <webbb182> the update man ager called it a partial but just now it doesnt say anything about a partial
[03:34] <mzz> webbb182: afaict what this "partial" thing means is that to upgrade everything to the latest package some (conflicting) package would have to be uninstalled
[03:35] <webbb182> should i do a apt-get auto remove then upgrade? or what
[03:35] <mzz> webbb182: if you tell the update manager to do a partial upgrade it should (afaik) tell you what it's about to do before it does it (including telling you what it wants to remove)
[03:35] <mzz> you can decide if the upgrade is safe then
[03:35] <Arsin> What are the updates in 9.1?
[03:35] <mzz> 10, not 1
[03:36] <mzz> (hint: it's october, not january)
[03:36] <mzz> also, the release notes list some highlights
[03:38] <webbb182> mzz, it doesnt say it wants to remove anythin but yet it still says partial
[03:39] <mzz> webbb182: I forgot what the exact wording of this update manager dialog was, but iirc it offered to continue with a regular update or do something else, and it warns you about the something else being dangerous
[03:39] <mzz> webbb182: can you tell me what the dialog says?
[03:40] <aprilhare> hello
[03:40] <aprilhare> does anyone know why update-manager wants to remove gstreamer0.10-schroedinger?
[03:40] <webbb182> 1 package is gong to be removed , 4 are going to be installed and 228 are goping to be updated
[03:41] <mzz> webbb182: yeah, that's the one. Which one is going to be removed?
[03:41] <aprilhare> let me guess: gstreamer0.10-schroedinger
[03:41] <webbb182> gstreamer
[03:41] <webbb182> lol
[03:41] <mzz> webbb182: because it got moved into gst-plugins-bad
[03:41] <mzz> err, that's the name from a different distro
[03:41] <aprilhare> oh sweet! no worries :)
[03:41]  * aprilhare will upgrade away now
[03:42] <mzz> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad I meant
[03:42] <webbb182> so its safe to do the upgrade
[03:42] <mzz> yes
[03:42] <aprilhare> mzz: followed you first time :)
[03:42] <webbb182> mzz, thank you
[03:42] <mzz> err, or maybe not
[03:42] <aprilhare> hopefully this upgrade will make me breakfast. or at least brunch.
[03:42]  * mzz doublechecks
[03:43] <mzz> anyway, ah, it's in there anyway
[03:44] <mzz> (I was checking for libgstschroedinger.so, but the plugin's called libgstschro.so)
[03:51] <aprilhare> why the plugin is named schroedinger is anyones guess :)
[03:51] <Rotund2> cuz he had a cat
[03:52] <aprilhare> a potentially abused cat :)
[03:52] <Rotund2> yeah, but can you know without causing the abuse?
[03:53] <aprilhare> rob0: thought that was old schroedinger's job :)
[03:54] <aprilhare> brb rebooting
[03:56] <aliendude5300> Hi guys, I have a HUGE problem after updating to Karmic on my netbook
[03:57] <aliendude5300> My touch pad works on the login screen, and on a failsafe terminal.
[03:57] <aliendude5300> The second gnome-session starts I lose all control of the mouse and the pointer freezes
[03:57] <aliendude5300> but all key shortcuts work. Only the mouse is broken.
[03:58] <aliendude5300> My netbook is an Asus Eee PC 1000HA.
[03:58] <aliendude5300> I installed a fresh install of Jaunty Netbook Remix and upgraded straight to Karmic.
[03:58] <aliendude5300> Any ideas?
[03:59] <rob0> just curious, did you use an external CD drive, or convert the CD to USB?
[03:59] <rob0> s/CD/ISO/
[03:59] <aliendude5300> I installed using the official USB installer on a 1GB flash drive.
[04:00] <rob0> oh you said Jaunty
[04:00] <rob0> and upgraded, I see now
[04:00] <aliendude5300> Yes. But I then upgraded directly to Karmic from default install
[04:00] <rob0> when you said "fresh" I was thinking a fresh Karmic
[04:01] <mzz> aliendude5300: tried a fresh user account or guest session?
[04:01] <aliendude5300> mzz: Not yet, I could add a user with terminal... I'll try that and see what happens.
[04:02] <mzz> aliendude5300: if a fresh session works it might be interesting to copy your regular users dotfiles into the new user homedir, check the problem now occurs there, then start logging out, removing some dotfiles and logging back in until the problem goes away
[04:03] <aliendude5300> I changed no settings from default install other than installing flash player and transmission.
[04:03] <mzz> it's a bit crude but might be the fastest way of figuring out what's involved, unless someone has more specific ideas
[04:03] <aliendude5300> This should be fixed before karmic is ruled out.
[04:03] <mzz> I know, but you did log in using that account using jaunty, if only to start the upgrade
[04:03] <mzz> I'm not saying it's not a bug, I'm saying this may give you more information about what's involved
[04:03] <aliendude5300> ok, user "test" created.
[04:04] <aliendude5300> trying to log in now.
[04:04] <aliendude5300> same problem on fresh user.
[04:04] <mzz> oh, interesting
[04:04] <aliendude5300> I'm gonna use alt-printscr-k to log out now since I can't do anything.
[04:05] <mzz> if you log into failsafe mode, confirm the mouse works, and then start gnome-settings-daemon, does the mouse break?
[04:05] <aliendude5300> Starting failsafe xterm, mouse works. If you start gnome-session, it breaks it. I'm unsure of settings-daemon
[04:06] <mzz> I'd expect gnome-session to start gnome-settings-daemon but not vice versa
[04:06] <aliendude5300> I'll try it.
[04:07] <aliendude5300> In failsafe xterm now
[04:07] <aliendude5300> yes, it freezes the mouse.
[04:07] <mzz> can you ctrl+c gnome-settings-daemon?
[04:07] <aliendude5300> gnome-session does not start.
[04:07] <aliendude5300> will try.
[04:07] <mzz> not sure if that'll give you your mouse back though, bleh
[04:08] <aliendude5300> no... but only because my mouse pointer is not over the terminal corner of the screen...
[04:08] <aliendude5300> I have to redo this :/
[04:08] <mzz> :(
[04:08] <mzz> before you run gnome-whatever again:
[04:08] <mzz> if you use gconf-editor to turn off /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/mouse/active, does running gnome-settings-daemon still break?
[04:09] <mzz> I'd expect this to work around it, but you'd still want to figure out what it's doing that breaks
[04:09] <aliendude5300> Hitting Ctrl-C does not restore muse functionality. I'll try pkill.
[04:09] <mzz> nah, I bet that won't do it either
[04:09] <aliendude5300> nope. That fails too.
[04:09] <aliendude5300> will try gconf-editor.
[04:10] <aliendude5300> ffs cant use mouse... have to log in again.
[04:10] <mzz> yeah, that gets old fast, I've done this kind of thing before
[04:10] <aliendude5300> Ok, I'm in gconf-editor right now.
[04:11] <webbb182> is anyone els in here having alot of trouble ubuntu-one     mine will freeze or suck all the ram from my computer
[04:11] <aliendude5300> settings set.
[04:11] <aliendude5300> webbb182: Mine also has the same problem, but not on my netbook, only on my ,main PC.
[04:12] <mzz> I don't use ubuntu one
[04:12] <aliendude5300> But I think I figured out why, the problem is in the process gvfs-metadata
[04:12] <aliendude5300> It has a memory leak that needs fixed.
[04:12] <webbb182> ubuntu one or dropbox
[04:12] <aliendude5300> But for now, I need to fix my touch pad...
[04:12] <rob0> Alien, From what you have said, I would guess there's a driver issue with the touchpad.
[04:12] <mzz> rob0: err, it works in failsafe mode
[04:13] <zmjjmz> anyone here use a dell mini 9?
[04:13] <mzz> rob0: sounds like gnome-settings-daemon or a related process is doing something screwy with the driver's settings (I suspect the xinput props)
[04:13] <aliendude5300> also, it works in gdm
[04:13] <zmjjmz> if so, have you gotten suspend working?
[04:13] <rob0> Synaptics?
[04:13] <mzz> presumably
[04:13] <mzz> I'm going to diff those props pre- and post-gnome-settings-daemon next
[04:13] <aliendude5300> mzz: your workaround fixed it.
[04:13] <mzz> aliendude5300: ok, mind doing a bit more debugging to figure out what's going on? :)
[04:13] <aliendude5300> I can move the mouse after running gnome-settings-daemon.
[04:13] <tiger2wander> How difference of System-V using inside Karmic?
[04:13] <aliendude5300> mzz: nope.
[04:14] <aliendude5300> I'll help out :D
[04:14] <mzz> aliendude5300: run "xinput list", I'm guessing you have one synaptics device listed. Remember its id, and run "xinput list-props 8 > /tmp/good" (replace 8 with the right id)
[04:14] <[Shawn]> Whats the command to fix Nvidia-Settings X server on Karmic again?
[04:14] <mzz> aliendude5300: then break your mouse again and run "xinput list-props 8 > /tmp/bad"
[04:15] <tiger2wander> I just used sysv-rc-config to on/off some service like: apache2, mysql but seen it not affect
[04:15] <mzz> aliendude5300: (note that I expect toggling that pref in gconf while gnome-settings-daemon is running to break your mouse instantly)
[04:15] <mzz> aliendude5300: then "diff -u /tmp/{good,bad} | pastebinit"
[04:16] <aliendude5300> ffs... I broke the mouse again by clicking enable, and now I can't export it in this session :/
[04:16] <aliendude5300> this is a pain.
[04:16] <mzz> yeah :(
[04:16] <mzz> obviously your "good" export remains usable
[04:17] <mzz> I'd also expect the id to be stable, but you might want to doublecheck that
[04:17] <aliendude5300> mzz: what is the right id?
[04:17] <aliendude5300> how do I check that?
[04:18] <aliendude5300> I think it's 6...
[04:18] <aliendude5300> ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
[04:18] <mzz> well, on my system it's 8, because "xinput list|grep -i synaptics" gives me "SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad" id=8
[04:18] <aliendude5300> That's the one I want?
[04:18] <mzz> just pick the one that's obviously touchpad-ish
[04:18] <aliendude5300> Or is it the one called "Macintosh mouse button emulation"
[04:18] <mzz> no, not that one
[04:19] <aliendude5300> Do I run gnome-settings-daemon before exporting?
[04:19] <mzz> for the "bad" export: yes, break your mouse first
[04:19] <mzz> you should already have a usable "good" export
[04:20] <aliendude5300> yeah.
[04:20] <aliendude5300> ok... now to unbreak my mouse and send you these exports.
[04:20] <mzz> just "diff -u /tmp/{good,bad}|pastebinit" from the commandline
[04:21] <mzz> if my guess about this showing something is correct I can probably give you an xinput command that unbreaks your mouse
[04:21] <aliendude5300> pastebinit isn't installed.
[04:21] <mzz> it's tiny, I'd just install it
[04:21] <aliendude5300> And I can't turn on wireless without my mouse...
[04:22] <aliendude5300> FFS
[04:22] <mzz> ahh
[04:22] <mzz> yeah, that's a showstopper
[04:22] <mzz> (unless you have cnetworkmanager! I wish that one was in ubuntu by default)
[04:22] <aliendude5300> gotta fix the mouse again :/
[04:23] <mzz> and I was about to tell you how to toggle that gconf pref from the commandline, but that's no use since disabling that plugin doesn't reset the mouse
[04:26] <aliendude5300> hmm... I'm still working on getting the mouse to work after I login to gnome-session... seems to have frozen again, hold on...
[04:26] <aliendude5300> there we go!
[04:26]  * mzz just hopes those two properties dumps actually differ
[04:26] <mzz> if they don't it'll take a bit of digging
[04:26] <nawaflol> Hey !
[04:27] <coz_> nawaflol,  back at you guy :)
[04:27] <aliendude5300> it totally fixed ti :D
[04:27] <mzz> well, just disabling that plugin is obviously the wrong fix (breaks preferences -> mouse)
[04:27] <bostongeek24> hi
[04:27] <bostongeek24> how do i get the time to show up on the menubar?
[04:27] <nawaflol> i can't find ubuntu cloud one ? in my Karmic Kola
[04:27] <bostongeek24> ive searched all of the preferances
[04:27] <aliendude5300> pastebin.com/f72cbf948
[04:27] <bostongeek24> cannot find it
[04:28] <nawaflol> Yep !
[04:28] <coz_> bostongeek24,  in gnome?   right click the panel   Add to panel
[04:28] <mzz> bostongeek24: right-click empty spot on the panel, "add to panel", search for clock
[04:28] <coz_> bostongeek24,   choose  "Clock"
[04:28] <nawaflol> ya
[04:28] <bostongeek24> thats really intuitive
[04:28] <bostongeek24> don't you think it would go in preferances?
[04:28] <nawaflol> Clock ?
[04:28] <michaelgilch> nawaf, apt-get install ubuntuone-client-gnome
[04:29] <nawaflol> ok
[04:29] <mzz> bostongeek24: personally I wouldn't expect it in prefs, given the number of different applets and the freedom you have in arranging them
[04:29] <ransom> bostongeek24 it should be enabled by default anyway
[04:29] <aliendude5300> anything else you need?
[04:29] <mzz> bostongeek24: also, you normally have a clock there by default
[04:29] <mzz> aliendude5300: well, "Synaptics Off" is a little suspicious. Sec.
[04:29] <ransom> bostongeek24: it is entirely possible that it just broke, being beta software and all
[04:29]  * aliendude5300 wishes he could aid in the development of Ubuntu more, but I only know a bit of C++ and Java, and QBASIC.
[04:30] <ransom> aliendude5300 hell yeah, QBASIC
[04:30] <nawaflol> ya i know ,i couldn't find the software-center .i had to download it ~!
[04:30] <bostongeek24> also i don't know if this is a known bug but when i first log into gnome and then when i try to change the brightness the whole thing goes wacky
[04:30] <ransom> aliendude5300: I learned to program with that in high school
[04:30] <mzz> ransom: was pascal here, but I did some basic before that
[04:30] <nawaflol> i know C programming
[04:30] <bostongeek24> the screen starts flashing and the brightness level on the monitor goes up and down
[04:30] <mzz> aliendude5300: give me a few minutes, need to dig through gnome-settings-manager
[04:31] <mzz> err, -daemon
[04:31] <ransom> mzz: you are probably a little older than me ;-)
[04:31] <michaelgilch> aliendude5300, you can report bugs, and all sorts of other things that aren't programming related but help out a lot
[04:31] <bostongeek24> how do i report this bug?
[04:32] <ransom> bostongeek24: the main bugs page is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[04:32] <aliendude5300> whoa... ok, this is weird, but my windows don't have title bars... this happened after enabling compiz, and then turning it off :/
[04:33] <coz_> aliendude5300,  make sure the window decoration plugin is enabled in ccsm
[04:33] <michaelgilch> can you get to a terminal, aliendude5300
[04:33] <ransom> aliendude5300 I had that same problem with Xubuntu.  are you using Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[04:33] <horsie> aliendude - check your desktop effects - when i turn mine on i get the same problem
[04:33] <coz_> aliendude5300,  how did you turn it off?
[04:33] <mzz> aliendude5300: weird, I see it *getting* that property but I don't see it *setting* it at all
[04:33] <ransom> bostongeek24: i would check to see if the bug has already been reported first, though
[04:34]  * aliendude5300 will be back soon... kinda busy :/
[04:38] <mzz> oh wait
[04:38] <ransom> : waiting
[04:38] <mzz> aliendude5300: when you get back: can you go to system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad and disable "disable touchpad while typing"?
[04:39] <mzz> ransom: sorry, I didn't mean for the entire channel to wait :(
[04:39] <Zeikfried> There is a program called Ubuntu Tweak, so they have a version that works with Kubuntu?
[04:39] <ransom> mzz: ;-)
[04:40] <georgy> hi
[04:41] <georgy> I got a question regarding the restricted drivers
[04:41] <georgy> I can't access them o.o
[04:41] <georgy> a buddy said i should check them out after reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8137752#post8137752
[04:42] <hifi> !grub2
[04:43] <ransom> georgy what kind of drivers do you need?
[04:43] <georgy> video
[04:43] <ransom> georgy: ati? nvidia?
[04:43] <georgy> intel
[04:44] <mzz> wait, what
[04:44] <georgy> lspci says Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller.
[04:44] <mzz> intel video has restricted drivers now? what are those for?
[04:45] <ripps> I though all of intels drivers were open
[04:45] <georgy> world of warcraft loads, but looks fuuuuucked up
[04:45] <georgy> I posted a picture in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8137752#post8137752
[04:45] <ransom> georgy I am pretty sure Intel drivers work out of the box
[04:45] <georgy> i see
[04:45] <ransom> you are using karmic, right?
[04:45] <georgy> you can check for yourself http://i37.tinypic.com/ohstqp.png
[04:45] <georgy> yeah karmic
[04:46] <ransom> georgy: karmic is super-buggy right now.  it could be an issue other than your drivers
[04:46] <georgy> ohhhhh i see
[04:46] <ransom> georgy: i would suggest checking the bugs to see if anyone else has had the problem
[04:47] <Zeikfried> The new versions of WoW wont run in WINE in OpenGL mode.
[04:47] <georgy> oh wow o.o
[04:47] <ransom> georgy: or just wait for the release candidate version of karmic on thursday, OR get the full release karmic on Oct 29
[04:47] <georgy> how would one run it?
[04:47] <Zeikfried> You can try it with a vanilla client and get it up and running in OpenGL, then update yoru WoW client, but that is about it.
[04:47] <georgy> i see
[04:47] <georgy> vanilla client?
[04:48] <coz_> georgy,  I would also do   sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade a couple times a week until release  to see if any fixes have been offered
[04:48] <georgy> thank you
[04:48] <georgy> Yeah, karmic is pretty sweet imo
[04:49] <mzz> aliendude5300: I'm gone now, please see above and seek further help and/or file a bug with information gathered so far
[04:50] <aliendude5300> ...
[04:50] <aliendude5300> was just about to try that too
[04:50] <mzz> oh, well, I guess I can stick around for a few more minutes :)
[04:51] <georgy> Zeikfried what's a vanilla client?
[04:51] <mzz> but if this fixes it your next step would be figuring out what bogus keystrokes syndaemon sees, and I'm not entirely sure how to approach that
[04:51] <aliendude5300> Where is disable touchpad while typing? I dont see it under the touchpad tab
[04:52] <aliendude5300> options:
[04:52] <aliendude5300> enable touchpad
[04:52] <aliendude5300> enable mouse clicks with touchpad
[04:52] <aliendude5300> enable vertical scrolling
[04:52] <aliendude5300> enable horizontal scrollinh
[04:52]  * mzz frowns
[04:52] <aliendude5300> thats all there is.
[04:53] <mzz> aliendude5300: running gnome-mouse-properties gives you that dialog?
[04:53] <georgy> anyone using gnome shell just wondering
[04:53] <Barridus> heya all.  where is xorg.conf located now?
[04:53] <aliendude5300> "mzz: aliendude5300: when you get back: can you go to system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad and disable "disable touchpad while typing"?"
[04:53] <JuanCarlos> Hai
[04:53] <JuanCarlos> !foo
[04:53] <mzz> Barridus: it isn't (you don't have one by default)
[04:53] <mzz> Barridus: if you want one put it in /etc/X11/
[04:53] <aliendude5300> yes.
[04:53] <aliendude5300> same dialog.
[04:53] <georgy> i was wondering that also
[04:53] <mzz> Barridus: /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells you which it picked up, if any
[04:54] <Barridus> mzz, ok that was my next question
[04:54] <JuanCarlos> Who want to help me to test a program?
[04:54] <mzz> aliendude5300: sec
[04:54] <Barridus> my .avi aspect ratios are all goofed, i used to have to fix that in xorg.conf
[04:54] <mzz> aliendude5300: dpkg -l gnome-control-center, installed version is?
[04:54] <Barridus> mzz, think i should just copy over my old xorg.conf?
[04:55] <mzz> Barridus: depends on what's in it :)
[04:55] <mzz> JuanCarlos: please be more specific
[04:55] <aliendude5300> 1:2.26.0-0ubun
[04:55] <Barridus> should i pastebin?  it's not *that* long
[04:55] <JuanCarlos> ok
[04:55] <georgy> mzz, after checking the xorgconfig i think i see the problem
[04:55] <mzz> aliendude5300: how'd you manage that? Should be 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 or similar
[04:55] <georgy> my laptop should be using a different driver "i" believe
[04:55] <mzz> Barridus: sure, why not
[04:55] <aliendude5300> hold on... I'm gonna check for new version. I'm DEFINATELY on 9.10
[04:56] <JuanCarlos> can i ask if someone want to help me to test if a program run on other karmic boxes?, if not, its ok too
[04:56] <bjsnider> Barridus, i don't see the connection between xorg.conf and movie aspect ratios unless your monitor is being driven at the wrong resolution
[04:56] <Barridus> !paste
[04:56] <mzz> JuanCarlos: so at least tell us what kind of program it is and how extensive the testing is you need
[04:56] <Barridus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/297972/
[04:56] <Barridus> mzz ^
[04:57] <JuanCarlos> i need to know if its install ok, its packaged
[04:57] <mzz> Barridus: looks safe enough, although I wonder if the NoDDC is doing anything useful
[04:57] <mzz> JuanCarlos: so tell us what the program is
[04:57] <mzz> !anyone
[04:57] <Barridus> bjsnider, the "nodcc" and "displaysizes" arguments were suggested in an aspireone bugfix page on the ubuntu community docs site
[04:58] <ageeb> anyone with any experience getting an 02Micro mmc card reader working?
[04:58] <JuanCarlos> Zenity based GUI for impressive, who want some, dumb but nicer
[04:58] <ArkoldThos> :>
[04:58] <JuanCarlos> it shows PDF like Expose of Compiz
[04:58] <mzz> bjsnider: if the detected physical size (from edid data) is nonsensical you'd get what Barridus describes (because X thinks your pixels are very far from square
[04:58] <coz_> ageeb,  no  I have no experience with that all ...sorry guy
[04:59] <georgy> mzz or coz_ there is no way to change the drivers in 9.10 ?
[04:59] <mzz> I'd expect just forcing DisplaySize to suffice though
[04:59] <ageeb> np... from my brief research it seems there aren't drivers for it :(
[04:59] <Barridus> mzz, basically all videos are being shown as 4:3 regardless of aspect ratio
[04:59] <coz_> georgy,  well what does it say under  system/aministration/hardware drivers  ?
[04:59] <mzz> Barridus: ok, that's weird
[04:59] <Barridus> just sayin.  ok brb with my "new" xorg.conf
[04:59] <Barridus> aka the old one
[04:59] <mzz> Barridus: it consistently squeezing or stretching the video I'd get
[05:00] <georgy> because im looking at xorg, it is using the one for i810 which i believe mine is i965 which i saw in a older pic of ubuntu's restricted drivers
[05:00] <Barridus> ok wait heh
[05:00] <mzz> georgy: I don't really have intel hardware but I'm not aware of there being a proprietary or interesting alternate driver for it
[05:00] <coz_> georgy,  oh intel  mmm
[05:00] <Barridus> how do you get rid of the "you're rebooting in 60 seconds
[05:00] <mzz> georgy: you can probably find a ppa with a different version of the driver though
[05:00] <georgy> hold up
[05:00] <mzz> Barridus: there's a gconf pref
[05:00] <Barridus> you used to be able to right click on the indicator-applet
[05:00] <Barridus> mzz, ok
[05:01] <mzz> Barridus: see /apps/indicator-session in gconf-editor, iirc
[05:01] <coz_> georgy,   here is a ppa for intel  drivers    https://launchpad.net/~intel-gfx-testing/+archive/ppa
[05:01] <mzz> I've been meaning to hack up indicator-session to put back ui for that one, but haven't gotten around to it
[05:02] <JuanCarlos> www.tecnicoslinux.com.ar/livecd/GUImpressive_1_all.deb
[05:02] <georgy> ty
[05:02] <Barridus> ok that appears to be correct, mzz.  brb :D
[05:02] <coz_> georgy,  although those are testing
[05:02] <bodam> Is there anyone here that can help me with an upgrade problem?
[05:02] <coz_> bodam,  whats the problem?
[05:02] <georgy> if it screws up how would i change it back? o.o
[05:03] <bodam> I've posted in the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1295887 but have no help.  Essentially after the upgrade Evolution doesn't work and it doesn't allow me to install it again
[05:04] <JuanCarlos> get the deb
[05:04] <coz_> bodam,  first open a terminal   sudo apt-get update  then do   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:05] <bjsnider> mzz, time for a monitor change
[05:05] <georgy> how does one add ppas?
[05:06] <coz_> georgy, ` open  system/administration/ software sources
[05:06] <coz_> georgy,   Add   ppa:intel-gfx-testing/ppa
[05:06] <bodam> Interesting it's installing 79 more packages - any reason the upgrade didn't get them?
[05:07] <georgy> ooo ic
[05:07] <georgy> ty
[05:07] <coz_> georgy,  no problem
[05:07] <coz_> bodam,  did you run those commands?
[05:07] <JuanCarlos1> lol
[05:07] <mzz> aliendude5300: sorry, really gone now. Sounds like your upgrade was incomplete, should probably figure out what's up with that, but suspect there's still a bug in the "disable touchpad when typing" mode on your system, which means the syndaemon program, although the actual bug may be in some input driver
[05:08] <bodam> Yes - It's installing 79 more packages.  I was asking why the original upgrade skipped/missed them
[05:08] <coz_> bodam,  well if you did not use  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then it probably didnt pull the requred libraries  especially if you uninstalled evolution
[05:09] <speedyx> Hallo to all the guys!
[05:09] <JuanCarlos1> !foo
[05:09] <aliendude5300> mzz: I'll work on it tomorrow. seems I have the latest version.
[05:09] <JuanCarlos1> !bar
[05:09] <coz_> bodam,  also when you see the  "broken pacakges"  error  ..you can open  system/administration/ synaptic pacakge maanger   click the  Edit menu and  "Fix broken packages "
[05:09] <mzz> aliendude5300: you really didn't just now (karmic really does have .28)
[05:09] <mzz> (and I'm pretty sure jaunty had .26)
[05:09] <speedyx> Please help! I distupgraded jaunty->karmic but after the reboot I can't access the system
[05:10] <Barridus> hmmm, i copied over xorg.conf and the video aspect rations are still goofy.  my xorg,conf used to fix it in hardy - jaunty
[05:10] <aliendude5300> mzz: Thats really odd, because it no longer offers to upgrade to karmic.
[05:10] <JuanCarlos1> logout
[05:10] <bodam> Just so you know, I didn't uninstall Evolution. When I upgraded my system I did the recommended Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d"
[05:10] <coz_> bodam,  I see
[05:11] <coz_> bodam,  let me know if the dist-upgrade has solved anything
[05:11] <mzz> Barridus: "xdpyinfo|grep inch" should confirm the currently set physical size is weird or not, and xrandr can probably override those values (see --fbmm or --dpi in man xrandr)
[05:11] <mzz> aliendude5300: try plain old update-manager and make sure you're updated and upgraded
[05:12] <mzz> or plain old apt-get or whichever frontend you prefer
[05:12] <george> hello, sorry had to restart
[05:12] <Barridus>   resolution:    58x135 dots per inch
[05:12] <aliendude5300> It's 12AM, I'll be on tomorrow. Sorry :/
[05:12] <mzz> yeah, that's what I figured
[05:12] <george> changed back to normal desktop then it crashed coz_ do you have that ppa link? sorry..
[05:12] <mzz> aliendude5300: fine, I should be asleep myself
[05:12] <coz_> george,  hold on
[05:13] <mzz> Barridus: try "xrandr --dpi 100" or somesuch
[05:13] <george> nvm
[05:13] <bodam> Coz_: I will it will take awhile though - i have a relatively slow network connection - in any case - thanks
[05:13] <coz_> bodam,  ok under stood :)
[05:13] <george> xchat saved it :)
[05:13] <coz_> george,   just in case    https://launchpad.net/~intel-gfx-testing/+archive/ppa
[05:13] <Don_Miguel>  <coz_> georgy,   Add   ppa:intel-gfx-testing/ppa
[05:13] <george> oh, for sure
[05:13] <george> i added it
[05:14] <george> do you do sudo apt-get install intel-gfx-testing o_O? or..
[05:14] <Barridus> mzz, ah good call.  the number 96 seems familiar for dpi
[05:14] <coz_> george,  I would open synatpic pacakge manager...hit the Search button and type in intel
[05:14] <george> oh
[05:14] <george> ic
[05:15] <mzz> Barridus: that was the quick and dirty version, the more correct version is to measure the physical size of your screen and use xrandr --fbmm
[05:15] <george> good idea ;]
[05:15] <coz_> I have to break here  but may be back in a bit :)   be nice
[05:15] <mzz> Barridus: (notice currently the horizontal and vertical resolution are wildly different, that's not the case for normal monitors)
[05:16] <Barridus> my netbook's display is 1024x600
[05:16] <mzz> Barridus: yes, but the ratio between its *physical* width and height are probably about the same as the ratio between the number of pixels horizontally and vertically
[05:17] <mzz> Barridus: so normally you'd still end up with about the same number of pixels per inch in both directions (square pixels)
[05:18] <Barridus> mzz, it appears i should be shooting for 96x96.  should i just put xrandr --dpi 96 in my startup apps?
[05:18] <mzz> that'd work
[05:18] <mzz> I don't know what the preferred way to fix this is
[05:19] <Barridus> me neither, but it seems to fix my problem :D  thanks!
[05:19] <bodam> Coz_: That did it - thanks
[05:19] <mzz> I guess eventually tweaks like this might end up in the same place input device tweaks are, but that can't currently work
[05:20] <mzz> (that's currently hal, but X can't pull monitor options from hal, and hal might be going away before X gains that support)
[05:21] <Barridus> ok, last question.  karmic doesn't include a rdp compatable remote client like jaunty and previous did?  what is the name of the package that contains that client
[05:22] <mzz> was that ekiga in jaunty?
[05:22] <mzz> err, no, probably not
[05:22] <Barridus> nope, not ekiga
[05:22] <mzz> sorry, I don't know
[05:22] <mzz> I had rdp and something else mixed up
[05:23] <Barridus> i'll poke around in gnome-app-install
[05:25] <horsie> barridus - you mean the terminal server client?
[05:25] <RussellAlan> http://www.sucka.net/2009/08/how-to-compile-and-install-wine-1-1-28-in-debian-lenny/
[05:25] <Barridus> yeah, i think it;'s tsclient
[05:25] <RussellAlan> Is this for Ubuntu?
[05:25] <Barridus> verifying now
[05:25] <RussellAlan> well ubuntu is a debian based system?
[05:25] <horsie> yes its tsclient
[05:25] <musikgoat> RussellAlan: it says debian lenny
[05:25] <horsie> I have v 0.150
[05:25] <RussellAlan> yeah
[05:26] <RussellAlan> i still haven't understood completely... don't debian files run in ubuntu?
[05:26] <RussellAlan> like .deb or what does that refer to?
[05:26] <musikgoat> !deb
[05:27] <RussellAlan> thanks.
[05:27] <RussellAlan> one thing down... 10 million to go ;-)
[05:27] <musikgoat> i haven't looked at the instructions, i'm not sure if its universal
[05:27] <RussellAlan> well it's a ubuntu guide site
[05:27] <RussellAlan> I was just curious because I have wine installed, although I'm not sure how to configure it so I can run from my windows volume
[05:28] <george> that ppa thing isn't working
[05:28] <RussellAlan> i'm not sure how to locate my partition other then through file manager
[05:30] <RussellAlan> Anyone know how I can locate it in terminal persay?
[05:31] <horsie> russ - check in /media
[05:31] <musikgoat> RussellAlan: your windows partition? check mount for what is mounted
[05:31] <Barridus> ok it appears i'm good to roll now.  thanks again mzz and horsie
[05:32] <RussellAlan> well I guess that is it mr horsie
[05:32] <RussellAlan> named disk.
[05:33] <george> i added the ppa for this.. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/ i don't see it for download in the synaptic package manager
[05:33] <george> o.o
[05:33] <horsie> disk is your local disk so your / drive
[05:33] <musikgoat> horsie: nah, thats gnome naming convention
[05:33] <RussellAlan> What is indicated by being highlighted in green?
[05:33] <musikgoat> its the first mounted disk
[05:34] <RussellAlan> Hmm, how do I access these directories?
[05:34] <RussellAlan> or should i say.
[05:35] <RussellAlan> how do i access directories with spaces
[05:35] <horsie> up to places on the tool bar and then to computer
[05:35] <RussellAlan> what character?
[05:35] <musikgoat> ls /media/disk
[05:35] <horsie> tab will autocomplete for you
[05:35] <RussellAlan> in terminal
[05:35] <musikgoat> ls /media/Disk\ one/
[05:35] <musikgoat> !tab | RussellAlan Also,
[05:36] <musikgoat> horsie: sorry :(
[05:36] <musikgoat> bedtime
[05:36] <RussellAlan> Hmm
[05:36] <RussellAlan> musikgoat: doesn't work
[05:39] <george> ohai
[05:39] <george> i added the ppa for this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[05:39] <george> dont see it in synaptic o.0
[05:40] <durt> george, have you reloaded the package database?
[05:41] <george> yup
[05:41] <george> oh it says
[05:41] <george> the method driver can't be loaded
[05:41] <george> usr/lib/apt/methods/ppa
[05:41] <george> gotta install that first i guess?
[05:42] <durt> I've personally never seen or heard of that
[05:42] <george> which think?
[05:42] <george> er thing*
[05:43] <durt> /usr/lib/apt/methods/ppa
[05:44] <george> aww
[05:44] <RussellAlan> ahhhh, i just love kubuntu
[05:44] <RussellAlan> karmic especially.
[05:45] <george> lol
[05:45] <george> i just broke synaptic manger
[05:46] <RussellAlan> I'm setting up wine with adobe cs4... it says using jaunty.
[05:46] <george> i took the ppa: out
[05:46] <RussellAlan> sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:46] <RussellAlan> $ sudo sh -c "echo 'deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:46] <george> now it crashes haha
[05:46] <RussellAlan> What will those command be doing, what should I change?
[05:47] <durt> just looked, it does not exist in my install, but it does seem to be a dir of binaries for what method of downloading packages you are using (?)
[05:47] <durt> I think, but no 'ppa' in there.
[05:47]  * tiger2wander is away: Away
[05:48] <george> im not sure
[05:48] <george> how can i download them?
[05:48] <george> it should just pop up in the s manager
[05:48] <durt> RussellAlan, it adds the wine ppa to your /etc/sources.list
[05:48] <george> i fixed the manager woo.
[05:49] <durt> george, If I were you I would shut down synaptic and run 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal and see if there are any errors.
[05:50] <george> does that update all?
[05:51] <durt> everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[05:52] <george> oo ic
[05:53] <george> ooo..
[05:53] <george> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3B22AB97AF1CDFA9
[05:53] <george> o.o
[05:54] <durt> george, is that the only error?
[05:55] <george> yeah
[05:55] <durt> go back to the ppa page and follow the instructions on how to add the gpg key, it's fairly straight forward.
[05:56] <DanaG> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --add-key KEY
[05:56] <DanaG> where KEY is either the whole thing, or just the last 8 hex digits.
[05:56] <george> oo ic
[05:57] <durt> DanaG, but would not having the key stop the packages from showing up in synaptic?
[05:58] <DanaG> No, it'd just make them show up Unauthenticated.
[05:58] <durt> ah ha
[05:59] <george> sweet
[05:59] <george> I see it
[05:59] <george> thank you
[05:59] <george> >=]
[06:01] <oldude67> well that was neat and exciting i bet i dont do that ever again..lmao...if a package is broken, you should never try to make it worse..cause it can and does get a lot worse..lmfao
[06:31] <thux> hello, can one trust karmic's palimpsest reports? two of my three laptops complaint about disk failing?
[06:38] <RAOF> thux: That's a SMART failure, I believe.  I'd check with some other tool, but it may well be your drives (potentially) failing.
[06:47] <thux> RAOF: thanks, what tool you would recomended?
[06:47] <peepsalot> just update, now firefox won't start, segfaults :-(
[06:48] <peepsalot> others having this problem?
[06:48] <RAOF> thux: Not sure; "aptitude search smart" suggests that the "smartmontools" package is likely to be useful.
[06:48] <thux> ok thanks
[06:50] <peepsalot> hrm, renamed my .mozilla/firefox and now it starts... maybe it's some add on I had?  is there any way to salvage some of my old settings?
[06:54] <Bluey1> why doesn't cat /proc/bus/usb/devices work in 9.10?
[06:55] <georgy> hello
[06:55] <georgy> wow gives this error when i try to run it
[06:55] <georgy> X Error of failed request:  GLXBadDrawable
[06:55] <georgy>   Major opcode of failed request:  153 (GLX)
[06:55] <georgy>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[06:55] <georgy>   Serial number of failed request:  495
[06:55] <georgy>   Current serial number in output stream:  495
[06:55] <georgy> o.o
[06:56] <horsie> anyone being able to dual boot ubuntu/windows successfully with grub2 and not had to edit the config etc afterwards - just have it work?
[06:57] <julien__> hey i "fixed" Xorg memry leak
[07:01] <Bluey1> horsie - let me check my windows brb
[07:03] <georgy> i have a problem with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8137752
[07:04] <georgy> newest update is at the bottom of the post
[07:07] <Bluey1> horsie
[07:07] <horsie> yesh
[07:08] <Bluey1> horsie: yes my vista dual boots fine
[07:08] <horsie> ta :)
[07:08] <Bluey1> horsie: but I don't know how to gell if it
[07:08] <Bluey1> grub or grub2
[07:10] <Bluey1> i am having difficulties getting gapcmon to run
[07:14] <Bluey1> oh yeah this is obvious -- change /etc/default/apcupsd from isconfigured=no to isconfigured=yes
[07:20] <julien__> xdcmp has to activated manually?
[07:27] <Bluey1> okay it can't find my printer - HELP!
[07:32] <Bluey1> love a duck - when I cycle the power on my printer - it's not detected in the system log -
[07:39] <Bluey1> ahh the cats ate my printer - the plug was not pushed in all the way...
[08:02] <eagles0513875> !kde
[08:03] <eagles0513875> im trying to install a stripped down version of kde as kubuntu-desktop meta package has lots of stuff i dont want in it what packages do i need just for kde4
[08:03] <eagles0513875> !kde4
[08:10] <frandieguez> hi to all
[08:11] <frandieguez> I'm translating ubuntu to galician language and I see that software-center string that appears on the gnome menu has a mistake
[08:12] <frandieguez> yesterday the package was updated but the same string continues there
[08:13] <frandieguez> I saw at launchpad translations and the string is fixed, I understand that tomorrow is the final day to commit translations but I'm a bit  worried about if this will be fixed and included in the final release
[08:13] <gorthaug> hi, in the boot i get and "error" message, but i cant read it becaus its desapear to fast, in which log can i find it?
[08:15] <Ian_Corne> frandieguez: what's the error?
[08:16] <frandieguez> The software-center has the title "Centro de software deUbuntu" where the correct is "Centro de control de Ubuntu"... note the space between "de" and "Ubuntu"
[08:17] <frandieguez> Ian_Corne: here is the string at launchpad https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=deUbuntu
[08:18] <frandieguez> Ian_Corne: sorry here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Centro+de+software+de
[08:28] <Jordan_U> frandieguez: I don't know how translations are dealt with but it might help to submit a bug report to get it on the radar since it's a simple fix
[08:29] <frandieguez> Jordan_U good point
[08:45] <hadean> yesterday i updated to 9.10. ever since i cant make a program wider than one screen. nvidia-settings set to twinview. before the update it  worked. somebody got a hint for me?
[08:46] <ioka> does anyone know what the command to start terminal in xubuntu is?
[08:46]  * tremmons is away: Gone away for now
[08:47] <hadean> the problem is i need my ide on full screen because it has everything i need in it.
[08:48] <hadean> left (main) screen on 1280, right one widescreen on 1920. in jaunty i got it working. anyone got a hint for me?
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> ioka: I think it uses xterm
[08:49] <Jordan_U> ioka: xfce4-terminal
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> ah, right
[08:50] <sdakpos> hi
[08:50] <jamieleshaw> Hello, is karmic ment to have to boot splashes ?
[08:52] <sdakpos> i have a problem with wi-fi, after updating from Jaunty, network manager was disconnecting my wi-fi every 10-20 seconds, i have installed WICD and know in dmesg i see that it tries authenticating but it times out.. what can be the problem?
[08:52] <sdakpos> i use iwl3945 module
[08:55]  * tremmons is back.
[08:55] <hadean> lol after x restart it worked
[08:55] <hadean> thanks anyways
[08:55] <sdakpos> anyone?
[08:58] <tremmons> thated be Konversation
[09:12] <hadean> Back again, it didnt work, not even after a restart. why cant i make a program wider than one screen after upgrading to karmic?
[09:12] <hadean> (latest nvidia installed).
[09:14] <ac13_> is it just me, or is the notification location in karmic off?
[09:15] <ac13_> i.e., the popups are not in the top right, but offset by some height (the height of the volume control display?)
[09:18] <hadean> it should be there, works here
[09:19] <ac13_> hm, I have a screenshot...
[09:20] <ac13_> http://i.imgur.com/vGgYU.png
[09:22] <hadean> hum
[09:22] <hadean> no idea
[09:22] <hadean> having trouble with my screens but works here
[09:23] <ac13_> I don't know, it's just weird. oh well. I don't remember if this was an issue in Jaunty or not.
[09:27] <hadean> :q!
[09:27] <hadean> oops
[09:45] <ltspadmin> when i boot the thinclient system through floppy. getting an error message chroot: canonot execute /usr/bin/getltscfg: exec ..in ubuntu 9.10 amd64 i found problem is in the nbi.img file
[09:46] <ltspadmin> when i boot the thinclient system through floppy. getting an error message chroot: canonot execute /usr/bin/getltscfg: exec ..in ubuntu 9.10 amd64 i found problem is in the nbi.img file
[09:48] <ltspadmin> when i boot the thinclient system through floppy. getting an error message chroot: canonot execute /usr/bin/getltscfg: exec ..in ubuntu 9.10 amd64 i found problem is in the nbi.img file
[09:48] <martinjh99> What is the difference between the CD and DVD of Karmic? Apart from being both a Alternate and an Live CD...
[09:49] <ltspadmin> how to rebuild nbi.img file in ubuntu 9.10 amd 64 bit
[09:50] <ltspadmin> how to rebuild nbi.img file in ubuntu 9.10 amd 64 bit
[09:51] <pointlessjon> i'm having some major problems getting rolling with couchdb
[09:52]  * alankila hates couchdb for its erlang dependency
[09:53] <pointlessjon> maybe i can roll with tokyo cabinet?
[09:53] <ltspadmin> how to rebuild nbi.img file in ubuntu 9.10 amd 64 bit
[09:55] <cousin_mario> hello
[09:55] <cousin_mario> when will the packages on archive.canonical.com be updated for karmic?
[09:58] <hadean> Can anyone help me with my nvidia twinview? i cant make a program wider than one screen.
[10:00] <hadean> btw: wee all my mouse extra keys work without cfg... /wee karmic
[10:01] <hadean> didnt linus torwalds flame bcz. of the too monstrous kernel? :P
[10:04] <dergringo> Whats the name of this notfication thingy at the top of the screen used by pidgn and others. is it libnotify?
[10:05] <dergringo> i mean the black boxes that appear for a few seconds and then fade
[10:10] <hadean> yupp
[10:27] <mac_v> !logs
[10:40] <coz_> hey guys.. I have a few "visual" issues with karmic... first is that blackish screen with white ubuntu and zippy progress bar of sorts... the second is that screen with the white ubuntu logo on it  which is generlly empty unless I disable quiet splash... are these things going to remain like this?
[10:56] <Termana> I am unable to change my status AT ALL in Empathy on Karmic Koala Alpha 6 - is this a known bug?
[11:01] <cousin_mario> is there a way to have the logout/shutdown/restart buttons in the system menu?
[11:01] <om26er> Termana: no
[11:01] <om26er> Termana: update you system
[11:16] <cybersplice> cousin_mario: no, they're in the little status notifier on the top right. :)
[11:17] <cousin_mario> cybersplice: bottom right in my case, but I'd rather not to rely on an applet
[11:17] <cousin_mario> I tried looking into gconf-editor but I couldn't find anything
[11:20] <coz_> cousin_mario,  it's possible to create a menu item
[11:21] <cousin_mario> coz_: I've tried for 3 days
[11:21] <coz_> cousin_mario,  and then you have to decide if you want the shut down ui or the log off ui
[11:21] <cousin_mario> coz_: I'd rather have both
[11:22] <cousin_mario> or something to invoke a menu with all the choices
[11:22] <cousin_mario> coz_: any hint will be appreciated
[11:22] <coz_> cousin_mario,  well if you open alacarte and ad an item for each  the log off ui command is     gnome-session-save --kill   the shutdown ui dbus command is     dbus-send --dest=org.gnome.SessionManager /org/gnome/SessionManager org.gnome.SessionManager.Shutdown
[11:23] <cousin_mario> coz_: thanks a LOT
[11:23] <coz_> cousin_mario,  no problem
[11:24] <coz_> cousin_mario,  I would test those commands in the terminal first  just in case I miss typed
[11:25] <DamienCassou> hi
[11:26] <coz_> DamienCassou,  hey guy
[11:26] <DamienCassou> I tried 2 daily cds today and my computer (macbook 4.1) refuses to boot them. I check the md5sum and it is ok
[11:27] <coz_> DamienCassou,  when the live cd starts  there is an options to check the cd...have you don that ?
[11:28] <coz_> DamienCassou,  other than that I havent used a mac since  way long time ago :)
[11:28] <DamienCassou> coz_: the menu never appears. There is only a blinking underscore forever
[11:28] <coz_> mmm
[11:29] <coz_> DamienCassou,  ok then I will have to let someone else take this question  because I just havent done anything with an ibook at all especially trying to install linux   although I am sure you made sure you downloaded the correct  live cd  for mac right?
[11:29] <ioka> guys do you know if wine has a irc chat somewhere?
[11:29] <coz_> ioka,  I believe so let me check
[11:30] <coz_> ioka,  yes  where you type here  type       /join #wine
[11:30] <ioka> I checked in their web site.could not find it.
[11:30] <coz_> or rather    #winehg
[11:30] <DamienCassou> coz_: there is no special cd because I have an intel-based CPU. I've already installed linux on it previously. I just want to install everything from scratch with latest 9.10
[11:30] <virtuald> #winehq ?
[11:30] <coz_> DamienCassou,  oh I see
[11:30] <coz_> virtuald,  yes sory
[11:30] <coz_> #windhq
[11:31] <virtuald> hehe
[11:31] <ioka> ok I'll try winehq. #wine is for invites only.
[11:31] <ioka> 10x a lot
[11:31] <cousin_mario> coz_: also do you have any idea on how to remove the help/introduction to ubuntu/informations from the system menu? alacarte doesn't show them
[11:31] <coz_> although if you type /join #wine  you are redirected to #winehq
[11:31] <coz_> cousin_mario,  not off hand    I dont
[11:32] <cousin_mario> ok, thanks
[11:33] <coz_> cousin_mario,  if it is possible to remove them it is more deeply buried in the system
[11:45] <ioka> is there a rule that wget follows when it download anything?Where can I find it after the download is finished?
[11:45] <coz_> ioka,   if you open a terminal   and cd to the location you want the download to be  ...exampl     cd Desktop  then do the wget
[11:45] <coz_> ioka,  check in /temp
[11:46] <coz_> or  /home/downloads
[11:46] <coz_> /home/yourname/downloads
[11:46] <ioka> ok
[11:46] <coz_> ioka,  for wget I first   cd  Desktop  then run the wget
[11:46] <ioka> ok.
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> what can be the cause if update-manager -d doesn't find the update to karmic?
[11:48] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   ah not sure  try   sudo update-manager -d
[11:48] <virtuald> hmm
[11:48] <virtuald> there's no way to unblock an msn contact in empathy
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> i did that cos..
[11:48] <coz_> virtuald,   also no irc capabilities in empathy either
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> lol virtuald
[11:48] <virtuald> coz_: yes there is
[11:49] <virtuald> coz_: with telepathy-idle
[11:49] <coz_> virtuald,  oh ok  well I dont like empathy...my opinion
[11:49] <virtuald> :)
[11:49] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   are you on jaunty 9.04 ?
[11:49] <ioka> what is ren command in linux - mv  old name new name?
[11:49] <Ian_Corne> coz_: yes
[11:49] <coz_> ioka,  "ren" command?
[11:50] <ioka> rename
[11:50] <virtuald> i've never seen an im client handle irc channels like a good irc client should
[11:50] <virtuald> or maybe it's just the scripts and plugins that are missing
[11:50] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  then I am not sure
[11:50] <ioka> what is the equivalent rename command in linux - mv old.nam new.name?
[11:51] <Martin_vW> hmm... does anyone else have the problem that the window list in karmic won't react to clicks? I always have to 'grab' an entry and move it a few pixels to select a window.
[11:51] <Martin_vW> ioka: yes, mv
[11:51] <ioka> 10x
[11:51] <coz_> ioka,    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477510
[11:51] <cousin_mario> bye all
[11:57] <om26er> transmission torrent should be removed as the default torrent clicnet as it does not even keep the download speed constant
[12:00] <C-S-B> so skype 1.2 beta is not working on Acer aspire on with karmic
[12:00] <C-S-B> fact
[12:01] <C-S-B> I've hacked it so I've got a version locked installed skype 2.0 install which doesn't use pulse.
[12:02] <C-S-B> if anyone has this working on this h/w let me know otherwise
[12:02] <C-S-B> please
[12:03] <C-S-B> I've posted the links to the 2.0 debs hosted at skype. on the ubuntu forums
[12:03] <C-S-B> Since the links are publicly easy to find
[12:06] <mpower_bmw> can i use unetbootin to boot and install kubuntu 9.10 x64 iso from windows partition and install it to a separate ext4 partition?
[12:07] <DanThirst> ok using karmic, clock isn't keeping correct time
[12:08] <innomen> "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources. "
[12:08] <innomen> How can i tell it to be more trusting :)
[12:08] <DanThirst> take it out on a date and get to know it better?
[12:09] <innomen> DanThirst, i tried that, and we got into an argument and thigns are still a little tense
[12:09] <DanThirst> oh my bad
[12:09] <innomen> :)
[12:09] <innomen> she started it, but that never matters
[12:09] <DanThirst> i think i've solved my problem
[12:10] <innomen> Any ideas? i could only find one instance of that error messge in google, and it was just a list of debian error messages :P
[12:10] <innomen> DanThirst, well awesome for you
[12:10] <mpower_bmw> can i use unetbootin to boot and install kubuntu 9.10 x64 iso from windows partition and install it to a separate ext4 partition?
[12:10] <innomen> DanThirst, hopefully i'll join you here soon
[12:11] <DanThirst> why isn't there a time server located in Grenich !!! WHAT THE HECK
[12:11] <saulus> ElijahCMenifee: Hi, new ideas for the nvidia compile dkms modules problem?
[12:12] <innomen> Surly there is something super basic i'm overlooking here.
[12:12] <DanThirst> alright just give this a minute see if it works, and why did they have to move the time/autosync preferences to the system>admin area
[12:13] <DanThirst> innomen: does it require a ppa key perhaps you forgot to retrieve ?
[12:13] <innomen> That might be it, i've never gotten a grasp on those fully, how do i go about finding the relevant one?
[12:14] <innomen> i wish there was just a button "instal anyway" or an equivalent
[12:14] <DanThirst> depends on the source
[12:14] <DanThirst> Yeah
[12:14] <innomen> I'll google
[12:15] <DanThirst> did you add a source of your own, because if you did there was prolly inscriptions on how to install/retrieve the key
[12:16] <C-S-B> mpower_bmw, yes, i reckon you can. :)
[12:16] <innomen> DanThirst, no i was trying to install this bubble puzzle game from software center
[12:16] <innomen> and now virtualbox
[12:16] <innomen> both complain about untrusted
[12:17] <innomen> i may have to simply duelboot xp
[12:17] <DanThirst> is that like one of those games that you get from sodapop cap games or something like that
[12:17] <innomen> but i have a feeling thats going to be a severe pita
[12:18] <innomen> DanThirst, no, its the first game mentioend in the ubuntu documentation on linux gaming
[12:18] <innomen> and as i said its in the repo
[12:18] <DanThirst> ok well I just updated to karmic how bout i give this a shot see if i can't help ya out
[12:18] <innomen> sweet
[12:19] <innomen> DanThirst, its called frozen bubble
[12:19] <DanThirst> we'll I've got bad news
[12:20] <innomen> *checks watch*
[12:20] <innomen> *looks at Dan*
[12:20] <DanThirst> works fine for me so I'm not going to lead you on here some one else might be able to help you better but i think you need to change your source.list
[12:20] <DanThirst> because this installed fine for me
[12:20] <innomen> hmmm
[12:20] <DanThirst> How comfortable are you with using command line?
[12:21] <innomen> oh plenty comfy
[12:21] <DanThirst> ok and do you know what your source.list is
[12:21] <innomen> let me look at that, it narrows the problem quite a bit
[12:21] <innomen> also i'm 64 bit, are you? that may matter?
[12:22] <DanThirst> may or may not, i don't know that much about this I'm just trying to help you because no one else is
[12:22] <innomen> DanThirst, well thats supr nice of you :)
[12:22] <DanThirst> I'm thinking ubuntu isn't trusting the cd, and thats where its trying to get it
[12:22] <DanThirst> is the cd in the drive?
[12:23] <innomen> DanThirst, no, i dont even have a karmic cd i update manager -d from 9.04
[12:23] <DanThirst> ok well thats good - i think
[12:24] <innomen> hmm i think i agree that my problem is in my sources list
[12:24] <DanThirst> ok well lets open up source.list we just want to look so execute this command  $ gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[12:24] <DanThirst> You ever use paste bin before?
[12:24] <legend2440> innomen: frozen bubble is in universe repo. you have to be sure universe is enabled in  System>administration>software sources
[12:25] <DanThirst> or you can do like legend2440 suggested
[12:25] <bazhang> its actually cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:25] <innomen> legend2440, already is, thanks though
[12:25] <legend2440> ok
[12:26] <DanThirst> bazhang: ?
[12:26] <innomen> bazhang, gedit worked fine for me
[12:26] <innomen> DanThirst, dont worry about him, i have it open
[12:26] <DanThirst> or kedit or nano .. who cares
[12:26] <bazhang> DanThirst, sources  not source
[12:26] <DanThirst> ok http://pastebin.com/ stick it in there and maybe put in a name and for a day and paste your sorces.list
[12:27] <DanThirst> oh yeah my bad ... love how you all jump on to correct me when you aren't helping him, really help fun guys
[12:27] <innomen> DanThirst, i know right? i have sen that like a billion times
[12:28] <innomen> DanThirst, it like the comic about who can get the most hits on a blog post, and the winner just put a spelling error in the title, everyone LOVES being the "well actually" guy
[12:28] <innomen> DanThirst, let me so some basic stuff to my sources list, yuo've got me going in the rigth direction
[12:28] <innomen> do some basic stuff*
[12:29] <DanThirst> good brb snack time
[12:29] <innomen> heh
[12:29] <innomen> enjoy
[12:29] <DanThirst> bck
[12:30] <DanThirst> I would just make sure the CD repo's are disabled with just a # in-front of them that will "comment them out"  and make sure the other ones do not have a # in front of them
[12:32] <innomen> Dr_Willis, You should have your own theme music
[12:33] <innomen> DanThirst, i did something very close to that and changed my download server, its updating now
[12:33]  * Dr_Willis has intro music like  the 70's cop shows...
[12:33] <DanThirst> good
[12:33] <DanThirst> HOLY CRAP LOUD MUSIC
[12:33] <DanThirst> frozen bubbles is thug
[12:34] <innomen> DanThirst, that did it
[12:34] <innomen> DanThirst, Thanks for your help :)
[12:34] <DanThirst> welcome
[12:34] <DanThirst> name make the eve servers come back up i wana check my mail
[12:34] <innomen> Dr_Willis, hahah awesome, i totally just heard it in my mind
[12:37] <DanThirst> alright i'm out, i need to get to sleep just got home from work, later
[12:37] <fcuk112_> anybody know if soundblaster xi-fi works in karmic?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I wonder if theres a UpNP server out that i can actually figure out. :)
[12:38] <shadeslayer> is there a kdeaddon package?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> i cant find the name for it
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> Theres lots of kde packages not installed by default.
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu-restricted-extras is one i always install.
[12:38] <tarzan> anyone running karmic on a laptop with a synaptics touchpad? i am unable to switch my touchpad off, that is it switches itself on again after a few seconds
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: yeah,but thats different....
[12:39] <shadeslayer> tarzan: use touchfreeze
[12:39] <shadeslayer> tarzan: run touchfreeze in root though
[12:39] <tarzan> shadeslayer: will try it, thank
[12:39] <tarzan> s
[12:39] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i need the xml plugin for kate
[12:42] <innomen> l8r guys :)
[12:43] <innomen> As always, it's been a pleasure.
[12:44] <fcuk112_> anybody know if soundblaster xi-fi works in karmic?
[12:46] <aprilhare> hey. has anyone noticed recently that firefox 3.5.3 has 'grown unstable'?
[12:47] <aprilhare> i get firefox crashing all the time.
[12:47] <shadeslayer> whats the name for the kde addons package?
[12:47] <C-S-B> I dont think karmic is recognising when my battery is low either, so it doesn't go to standby, just powers off.
[12:48] <C-S-B> Acer apsire one. 150 zg5
[12:48] <bazhang> shadeslayer, for plasma?
[12:50] <aprilhare> you've got to be kidding. seriously. it just crashed again.
[12:50] <aprilhare> firefox 3.5.3 is fail atm
[12:50] <shadeslayer> bazhang: i need the xml plugin for kate
[12:50] <shadeslayer> bazhang: which according to kde.org is in kde addons....
[12:51] <shadeslayer> bazhang: Kate on its own is a very capable editor, but the xml-plugin that is in the kdeaddons package takes it to another level entirely.
[12:51] <bazhang> kdeplasma-addons?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> bazhang: i dont know...
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> there is no 'kdeaddons' package from what i see with --> apt-cache search kde | grep addon
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> highlighting-kate-doc - library documentation for highlighting-kate
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev - syntax highlighting library based on Kate syntax descriptions
[12:53] <tarzan> shadeslayer: does not work, still enables itself after a few seconds again
[12:54] <shadeslayer> tarzan: did you run it with root priviliges?
[12:54] <ioka> guys I used to have no problem executing the command updatedb.Now i cant.
[12:55] <ioka> updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'
[12:55] <tarzan> shadeslayer: with and without, makes no difference
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: yeah i saw that..
[12:55] <shadeslayer> tarzan: what DE?
[12:55] <eldar> hi all! I've installed kubuntu 9.10 few weeks ago, I don't have sound working in the flash and skype. Is it a known issue?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  you are running with sudo?
[12:55] <tarzan> shadeslayer: DE?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> eldar: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> tarzan: Desktop env.
[12:55] <tarzan> shadeslayer: gnome
[12:56] <eldar> shadeslayer, I think I didn't. thanks I will try
[12:56] <ioka> no I used to run it without sudo.Now it wants sudo.Why is that?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> tarzan: then there should be a checkbox in the mouse config dialog which should turn it off...
[12:56] <eldar> it seems that I have it
[12:56] <eldar> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  ive alsays had to run it with sudo since its a system type service/feature
[12:57] <shadeslayer> eldar: and you have installed skype via medibuntu?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  unless theres some way to have a user only database for it.
[12:57] <eldar> no, from the deb package at skype.com
[12:57] <eldar> flash is from adobe.com
[12:57] <shadeslayer> eldar: ah,thats why
[12:58] <eldar> should I try it?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> eldar: i think the 2 packages are conflicting
[12:58] <eldar> skype and flash??
[12:58] <ioka> yes.I'm almost positive that I use to run it without sudo.
[12:58] <shadeslayer> the one from adobe and ubuntu repos
[12:58] <eldar> hm
[12:58] <tarzan> shadeslayer: there is no button to disable it in the mouse preferences. disabling it using gsynaptics does not help either (same behaviour)
[12:58] <shadeslayer> eldar: have you also installed gnash or something?
[12:59] <eldar> doesn't the browser use the one, which occurs first in the plugins directories?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> tarzan: ok,did you google this problem?
[12:59] <eldar> I don't have gnash or anything else..
[12:59] <tarzan> shadeslayer: yes and i did not find anything... i just don't know if this is a xorg/gsynaptics/touchpad driver issue
[13:00] <shadeslayer> eldar: ok,try removing : flashplugin-nonfree
[13:00] <shadeslayer> tarzan: i have a synaptic touchpad,disbaled right now
[13:05] <kolp> hi. is this the right channel for Kubuntu karmic questions?
[13:05] <bazhang> kolp, yep
[13:06] <tarzan> shadeslayer: killing syndaemon solved the problem, the bug seems to be there
[13:06] <tarzan> i'll file a bug report
[13:07] <shadeslayer> tarzan: didnt have to do a thing here,good luck with the bug report :)
[13:07] <eldar> shadeslayer, removing flashplugin-nonfree didn't help
[13:08] <shadeslayer> eldar: can you check the output of : dpkg -l | grep flash : ?
[13:08] <eldar> flashplugin-installer flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[13:09] <eldar> but I remember installing the latter trying to fix the problem
[13:09] <kolp> cool. I've normally enabled 3 keyboard layouts (de,ru,in) which works fine. then I added ge. now when the de layout is selected the AltGr key doesn't work correctly in non-KDE apps and konsole.
[13:10] <shadeslayer> eldar: /q ubuntulog
[13:10] <shadeslayer> whops
[13:10] <kolp> backslash, @, etc don't appear
[13:10] <kolp> removing the ge layout fixes that again
[13:11] <shadeslayer> eldar: 32 bit?
[13:11] <tarzan> is there a way to disable the start of syndaemon on x startup?
[13:11] <oldude67> am i the only one running kde, having issues with installing gnome as well?
[13:11] <eldar> shadeslayer, yes, 32 bit
[13:12] <shadeslayer> eldar: and i thought we 64 bit users had a hard time installing flash :P
[13:12] <shadeslayer> eldar: and what browser are you using?
[13:12] <eldar> hehe
[13:12] <eldar> chromium, firefox, konqueror
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> ive no problems with flash on 64bit  ubuntu in the last 2+ releases
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: same here
[13:14] <shadeslayer> eldar: ok reinstall flashplugin and go here to check if it works : http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[13:14] <eldar> but why skype isn't working as well
[13:15] <eldar> I think it's a more common issue
[13:15] <shadeslayer> eldar: whats not working on skype?
[13:15] <eldar> sound :)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> eldar: did you select the o/p to use alsa ?
[13:15] <eldar> o/p? what's that
[13:16] <eldar> I haven't selected anything
[13:16] <shadeslayer> eldar: output
[13:16] <eldar> no
[13:16] <shadeslayer> eldar: in the settings go to sound and select the ouput to alsa
[13:16] <eldar> which settings? On Kubuntu I only have phonon backend which is xine currently
[13:17] <eldar> or settings of skype and flash?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> eldar: the settings of skype
[13:17] <eldar> ok, let me try once again.
[13:19] <eldar> among suitable options I have only HDA Intel, ALC861 Analog Default Audio Device
[13:20] <ioka> what am I doing wrong? there are .cvs files in the directory I am.after chmod 777 *.cvs I get  chmod: cannot access `*.cvs': No such file or directory
[13:20] <alankila> awesome, I was able to plug the pulse extension into sun jdk from openjdk with no changes.
[13:20] <alankila> so I can actually uninstall openjdk. Oh joy.
[13:21] <alankila> all that I had to copy over was the pulse-ext jar and its associated native library
[13:23] <alankila> hmm, right, and a sound.properties file that uses that stuff, also from openjdk
[13:23] <shadeslayer> eldar: change it to your sound card
[13:24] <alankila> the reason I need to do this is that I think nothing plays audio for me anymore unless it goes through pulse. It's something to do with how the compatibility stuff uses pulse or gets routed to alsa or whatever, I don't know and I have given up
[13:24] <eldar> yes this option was actually selected, shadeslayer
[13:24] <shadeslayer> eldar: oh then change it to the other one..
[13:24] <eldar> the other ones don't make sense
[13:25] <shadeslayer> eldar: HDA Intel ?
[13:25] <eldar> yes
[13:25] <eldar> that's the option I chose, that's my soundcard
[13:25] <shadeslayer> eldar: ok change it to something other than that and try the test call....
[13:26] <oldude67> 8 days away and this thing still has more bugs then a new york appartment.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hello folks
[13:27] <BluesKaj> no updates this morning/today so far
[13:27] <kolp> does anyone know what could be wrong with the ge keyboard layout that it breaks AltGr?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> altgr?
[13:28] <eldar> shadeslayer, they don't work
[13:28] <shadeslayer> eldar: :(
[13:28] <eldar> on my ubuntu 9.04 installation everything is fine
[13:29] <shadeslayer> eldar: i dont have any other ideas...
[13:29] <eldar> anyway thank you for helping
[13:29] <ltspadmin> build-client fails to build i386 version of boot, amd64 in ubuntu 9.10
[13:29] <eldar> I may try to reinstall it, once it's out with hope that it's solved somehow
[13:30] <linux1> could someone check a package for me it keeps seg faulting here its spring-engine :( ,before i add a bug report
[13:30] <kolp> BluesKaj: in de layout, e.g. altgr+q doesn't produce '@' in non-kde apps if the ge layout is also enabled (not selected)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> kolp, sorry dunno about your specific problem but there have been sevseral KB probs reported after installing karmic , for example the mute button no longer works here , but the vol ctrls do
[13:34] <kolp> BluesKaj: now, those work fine for me :)
[13:43] <dto> nice. nautilus now detects my walkman as a music player, and gives it an ipod-ish icon
[13:49] <vistakiller1> the last update from firefox crash it very often
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[14:06] <ioka> how do I move directories guys?
[14:06] <ioka> tried mv -t does not work
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> mv, rename,  commands
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> !bash
[14:07] <joaopinto> you don't need -t, you just need mv
[14:07] <joaopinto> ioka, man mv
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> mv -r can be useful
[14:07] <ioka> I read man mv.Could not understand it
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[14:08] <ioka> mv -r invalid option -r
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> http://linuxcommand.org/lts0050.php#mv
[14:08] <Lazy> mv sourcefile destination
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> mv --help     :)
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> or cheat and use 'mc'
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> !info mc
[14:09] <ioka> there are many directories to move.
[14:10] <Lazy> mv dir1 dir2 dir3 destination
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> or use wildcards/regular expressions
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> or cheat and use 'mc'   :)
[14:11] <ioka> what is the wild card for directory?
[14:11] <ioka> *.* + all files
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> wildcards are for names
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> and  thisis not DOS   the *.* does not do what you think it does/means
[14:11] <ioka> do I can not execute commnd similar to *.* but for the directories
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> try  'echo *' to see what patterns mach what names.
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> files or dirs do not get differanted by the wildcards
[14:12] <Dr_Willis>  the shell expands them based on the names. thats it.  dosent matter what they are.
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> If you want to get real fancy you an use the 'find' command to do somt things to just files, or to just dirs
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> that whould chmod 755 JUST the directories
[14:13] <Lazy> if you want to move everything from your current dir "destination" somewhere you would use: mv * destination
[14:14] <digdeep> just upgrade to Karmic on my Dell D610. Able to ping, but not sudo apt-get update, cannot browse either.
[14:14] <Lazy> digdeep: can you ping www.google.com
[14:14] <digdeep> I upgrade it in my uni and it works, but it doesn't work at home
[14:15] <digdeep> Lazy, yes
[14:15]  * mzz tries to remember if there's a factoid like "!cannot"
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> browser to www.google.com times out? or what?
[14:15] <mzz> every time people say they "cannot" do something I imagine they have their hands tied behind their back so they can't type the command line or something like that
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> !dontwork
[14:16] <mzz> yeah, that's the one
[14:16]  * Dr_Willis fits that definition of !dontwork
[14:16] <digdeep> can ping google.com
[14:17] <Lazy> and it responds with correct ip addresses?
[14:17] <Lazy> like: PING www.l.google.com (209.85.135.147) 56(84) bytes of data.
[14:17] <mzz> so how's the other stuff failing? Timeouts? error messages?
[14:17] <aprilhare> i miss working.
[14:17] <digdeep> Lazy, yes
[14:18] <aprilhare> anyone else having stability problems with firefox 3.5.3?
[14:18] <mzz> not so far
[14:18] <Lazy> what happens when you try to browse to www.google.com in firefox?
[14:18] <aprilhare> crashes with gmail etc.?
[14:18] <mzz> aprilhare: crash reports help
[14:18] <aprilhare> mzz: hard to make: the program freezes rather than crashes
[14:18] <mzz> aprilhare: if you're concerned about privacy extract just the stacktrace
[14:18] <mzz> aprilhare: kill -9 it
[14:18] <digdeep> Lazy, it keeps loading and times out eventually
[14:18] <mzz> err, no, not 9
[14:18] <mzz> aprilhare: kill -11 it
[14:19] <aprilhare> ok
[14:19] <aprilhare> mzz: apport will pick that up?
[14:19] <mzz> aprilhare: iirc yes
[14:19] <digdeep> I am able to connect internet at uni, but it doesn't work at home. Will that be a routing issue?
[14:19] <Lazy> digdeep: what happens if you type this in terminal "telnet www.google.com 80"
[14:19] <mzz> it's pretty hard to distinguish a manual sigsegv from an actual crash
[14:19] <mzz> digdeep: bogus proxy sounds possible
[14:20] <mzz> digdeep: might want to echo $http_proxy, should be unset
[14:20] <mzz> digdeep: it's possible that got autoconfigured at uni and didn't get "unconfigured" elsewhere
[14:21] <digdeep> mzz, right I guess. I am not sure what to do
[14:21] <Lazy> digdeep: yeah, you should also check Preferences -> Network Proxy
[14:22] <Lazy> it probably should say direct internet connection
[14:22] <mzz> yep
[14:22] <mzz> I don't know enough about proxy autoconfiguration to know how likely it is that this is the problem
[14:22] <mzz> but if "ping" works but http times out that's something I'd check
[14:22] <digdeep>  it probably should say direct internet connection. Yes, that is the current setting
[14:23] <Lazy> digdeep: what happens when you try to telnet the google server?
[14:23] <Lazy> telnet www.google.com 80
[14:23] <maurer_> Hey, amarok is failing to play music for me--it just moves the bar indicating the position in the song left to right really quickly, making no noise
[14:23] <digdeep> Lazy, need to unplug the cable, come back in a sec
[14:26] <robin0800> maurer_: that usually means it can't find the music
[14:26] <Lazy> maurer_: or missing codec?
[14:27] <digdeep> Lazy, telnet www.google.com 80 --> Trying 1.0.0.0   telnet: unable to connect to remote host: no route to host
[14:28] <Lazy> digdeep: looks like dns problem
[14:28] <Lazy> or defaultroute?
[14:28] <maurer_> Lazy: It doesn't bring up an error about missing codec (the old amarok did, don't know about the new one)
[14:28] <maurer_> robin0800: File appears to be here, given that mplayer can play it
[14:29] <Lazy> maurer_: i don't know about the new amarok either, but if you had the codecs already it's not that...
[14:29] <vistakiller1> http://www.gameworld.gr/index.php?option=com_simple_review&Itemid=83&review=658-NBA-Live-10-PS3-Xbox-360-PSP-iPhone
[14:29] <vistakiller1> can anyone that use firefox see if that link works?
[14:29] <Lazy> digdeep: could you put output from command "route" to pastebin?
[14:29] <vistakiller1> it crash my broswer every time i try to open it
[14:30] <digdeep> Lazy, sure, need to unplug again
[14:30] <robin0800> maurer_: I just switched from amarok to songbird much better IMHO
[14:30] <maurer_> robin0800: Yes, I was going to try songbird but the latest gstreamer on karmic breaks it.
[14:31] <robin0800> maurer_: works here fine
[14:31] <maurer_> If I can't get amarok to work, I guess I can just use an older revision of gstreamer and try to remember to upgrade later
[14:31] <maurer_> ././songbird-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gst-0.10/gst/_gst.so: undefined symbol: gst_task_pool_get_type
[14:32] <maurer_> Same error with 1.2, 1.4, 1.5a
[14:32] <maurer_> Songbird's support confirms that multiple people have this issue.
[14:32] <bazhang> !info songbird
[14:33] <mzz> maurer_: odd, because gst imports just fine from the python interpreter
[14:33] <mzz> maurer_: which songbird build?
[14:33] <robin0800> maurer_:  running 1.4.0b3, Build 1303
[14:33] <maurer_> bazhang: I did not ask for support on songbird as it is not in the official repos, I was just responding to robin0800
[14:34] <dconlon> Hi, a fresh install of the beta yields a system that won't boot into X if an xorg.conf file exists. This sees to exist as part of the install and was not created by me. Any ideas?
[14:34] <bazhang> maurer_, I was checking if it was in the repos
[14:34] <maurer_> mzz: I have tested the current stable (1.2), something 1.4ish a couple days ago, and just now 1.5a (build 1328)
[14:35] <mzz> maurer_: iirc songbird bundles its own gstreamer, and it sounds like the combination of ubuntu's gst-python and songbird's gstreamer doesn't work
[14:36] <robin0800> bazhang: its not 1.2 debs are available however but the nightly build seems better to me
[14:36] <digdeep> lazy, --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/298271/
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> ive had a great many issues with songbird when ive tried it.
[14:36] <maurer_> mzz: Makes sense. Maybe I should try to figure out how to repackage it from source against system gst
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> maurer_:  yep. I recall some forum threads on removing  some packages from ubuntu to get it going.. but i gave up on it.
[14:37] <Lazy> digdeep: does the mygateway1.ar7 resolve to somehing?
[14:37] <maurer_> Dr_Willis: That package is the visualizer package, and is for dealing with an nvidia driver bug, if memory serves.
[14:37] <mzz> maurer_: may not always be possible, because iirc their gstreamer is at least occasionally patched. There's a ppa though, I'd expect that to work better than their own binaries.
[14:37] <maurer_> mzz: The ppa was my first try.
[14:38] <mzz> hum
[14:38] <digdeep> Lazy, sorry, I don't know what is that
[14:38] <Lazy> digdeep: because usually you see ip address as a default gateway
[14:38] <robin0800> maurer_: the one I'm running looks like Itunes with album art scrolling at the top awesome
[14:39] <Lazy> digdeep: if you type "nslookup mygateway1.ar7" what do you see?
[14:39] <digdeep> Lazy, wait
[14:41] <Martin_vW> Can anyone confirm that the window list is not working properly on karmic? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1290946
[14:41] <mzz> maurer_: looks like the entire taskpool interface is a relatively recent addition, so I suspect the bundled gstreamer is simply too old
[14:42] <mzz> maurer_: wonder why songbird's picking up pygst though, I didn't know they used python
[14:42] <digdeep> Lazy nslookup mygateway1.ar7 --> server: 10.1.1.1 Address 10.1.1.1#53
[14:43] <Lazy> looks like a gateway problem to me
[14:44] <Lazy> oh sorry
[14:44] <Lazy> i thoght you were in 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 network
[14:44] <Lazy> but your netmask is 255.0.0.0
[14:45] <Lazy> digdeep: is that 10.1.1.1 correct gateway address?
[14:45] <robin0800> maurer_: http://en.pastebin.ca/1634982
[14:46] <maurer_> robin0800: That did not work how you thought it did.
[14:46] <maurer_> It gave me a file:/// url to what is presumably a screenshot on your desktop
[14:46] <digdeep> Lazy, will 10.1.1.1 be visible on browser?
[14:46] <robin0800> maurer_: how do you post pictures?
[14:46] <Lazy> digdeep: sorry, i have to go now but maybe someone else can help you further
[14:47] <BluesKaj> robin0800, use imagebin
[14:47] <maurer_> http://imagebin.ca/
[14:47] <digdeep> lazy, sure, thx
[14:48] <maurer_> OK, got your image
[14:48] <maurer_> How is this supposed to help?
[14:48] <robin0800> maurer_: http://imagebin.ca/view/8F81PYF.html
[14:49] <maurer_> Yes, as I said--how does an image of the program in operation help me get it to launch?
[14:49] <maurer_> Whatever, I'll just downgrade my gstreamer
[14:50] <mzz> maurer_: the thing that needs downgrading is probably python-gst0.10
[14:51] <maurer_> mzz: Yes. I'm looking at some more information, and it looks like the real problem is that the system is for some reason preferring the .so in there to the .so they ship
[14:51] <mzz> maurer_: does songbird actually ship a _gst.so?
[14:51] <robin0800> maurer_: clearly it dosn't not sure why mine works though I'm completely up to date but using pulse audio
[14:52] <maurer_> Workaround found for anyone who is having this problem
[14:52] <maurer_> Make a launcher script in /usr/local/bin/ that first sets LD_BIND_NOW=1
[14:52] <mzz> maurer_: my guess is songbird is (intentionally) using its own libgstreamer-0.10.so.0, does not use python-gst so does not bundle a _gst.so, something's pulling in the system _gst.so, and that system _gst.so is incompatible with their (older) libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
[14:52] <maurer_> This will cause it to load the right shared library
[14:53] <mzz> err, I'm not sure that fixes it the way you think it does
[14:53] <mzz> it might actually fix it by making _gst.so not load
[14:53] <mzz> (sneaky!)
[14:53] <maurer_> Well, even if _gst.so doesn't load, songbird _appears_ to work, and does play music
[14:54] <mzz> yes
[14:54] <mzz> I don't have songbird installed, but I don't expect them to be using gst-python. I'm not sure what's pulling in the system gst-python.
[14:54] <mzz> can you check if they bundle their own _gst.so?
[14:55] <maurer_> Sure, I'll take a look
[14:55] <mzz> if they don't I'm pretty sure they're not expecting the system _gst.so to be used at all
[14:55] <maurer_> In the debug info from when I make it not load _gst though, it looks like the reason it's getting pulled is for plugins
[14:55] <dconlon> Anyone care to help with my X not booting problem?
[14:55] <mzz> hmm, actually, there's /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstpython.so
[14:55] <mzz> this is suspicious
[14:56] <mzz> I think that's trying to support system gstreamer plugins implemented in python
[14:56] <mzz> and it's not dealing with that failing to load
[14:56] <mzz> that could be improved
[14:56] <mzz> no, wait, that LD_BIND_NOW fixes it indicates it *does* deal with it failing to load
[14:56] <mzz> hmm.
[14:57] <mzz> my preferred fix would be for songbird to not need its own gstreamer library and just use the system one
[14:57] <mzz> that'd probably fix this by making _gst.so work
[14:57] <maurer_> No actual _gst shipped, but a whole bunch of other gst-dependent libs
[14:57] <mzz> yes, that sounds about right
[14:58] <mzz> hmm! ask me about this again later, I'm out of time
[14:59] <mzz> (background: I don't currently use songbird, but I do know a bunch of stuff about it and about extending and embedding python, so I can make fairly educated guesses about how this breaks)
[14:59] <unknown_> hello, anyone one of you Guys, know any working way how to play WMV files on x64 version of ubuntu 9.10 ? With i386 I don't have any problems, but x64 looks like have many codecs missing
[15:02] <mbeierl> unknown_: just checking, but do you have w64codecs installed?
[15:03] <unknown_> mbeirl: yes of course I do, but those w64codecs inside have only 3-4 files instead of >30 in w32codecs..
[15:05] <unknown_> mbeirl: totem doesn't work, mplayer doesn't work either, I have only sound
[15:05] <raff_> is 9.10 release quite useable?
[15:06] <virtuald> who's working on upstart?
[15:06] <unknown_> raff_: It works for me very well for long time already
[15:14] <mbeierl> unknown_: ooo.  hadn't looked - I unfortunately tend to use my laptop for development, not media so much...
[15:15] <unknown_> mbeierl: maybe the output from mplayer will help somehow: http://pastebin.com/m3109e7ca it looks like wmsdmod codec isn't installed... :/
[15:15] <carmelita> Hi, I'm trying kubuntu 9.10 beta
[15:15] <ioka> I could not make it to start lighttpd with php.I'm tired
[15:15] <ioka> will try gain tomorrow
[15:15] <ioka> cya
[15:16] <carmelita> I have a problem with a resiserfs partition, all files that have accesnts or "ñ" seem not to exists as soon as you try to copy or modify them. But they are all listed. How can i correct the error?
[15:17] <carmelita> I triesd modifing the locales, converting all to UTF8
[15:18] <carmelita> but the system is not able to modify the files to UTF8
[15:18] <carmelita> I can't modify them manually, I have no idea what to do, please help me
[15:28] <cochise> Hi, anyone having problems with the ubuntu key server?
[15:33] <mbeierl> unknown_: sorry - have to run just as I think I might have been getting somewhere:  did you cover this already?  (if so, sorry for wasting time :( ) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232173
[15:37] <vanishing> anyone here using irc with empathy?
[15:38] <jarnos> I am having problem with lirc after upgrade from 9.04.
[15:40] <unknown_> mbeierl: Not wasting my time, you trying to help me :) I'll try to follow every step there + test all related links :) I will tell result, thank you
[15:41] <jarnos> I can't see keypresses of my remote by irw
[15:44] <BluesKaj> hmm, no new updates today
[15:48] <mbeierl> unknown_: page 2 or 3 indicated that certain codecs simply cannot be done as 64bit...
[15:49] <mbeierl> is the current boot progress for everyone a plain monochrome "circle of friends" and nothing more?  I find this very dull after 9.04 and was hoping something a little more shiny would come up\
[16:00] <Andy80> hi all
[16:01] <Andy80> has anyone any idea about how to fix this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/455417 ?
[16:01] <Andy80> I had no feedback/reply :\
[16:05] <robin0800> Andy80: I prefer pulse audio volume control
[16:06] <Andy80> robin0800: and what is that?
[16:07] <Andy80> anyway... it doesn't detect my soundcard, but only sometimes
[16:07] <robin0800> its a different type of volume control also try multimedia settings a hidden menu option
[16:11] <Andy80> robin0800: where can I find it?
[16:11] <Andy80> where is the hidden menu?
[16:17] <robin0800> Andy80: right click the menu choose edit it is the preferences disabled by default
[16:19] <Andy80> robin0800: right click on which menu?
[16:20] <xray7224> why is jscalibrator not in karmic
[16:20] <xray7224> has it just not been packaed or is there a reason ?
[16:21] <xray7224> *packaged
[16:21] <robin0800> Andy80: the main menu on the taskbar
[16:22] <Andy80> robin0800: you mean the System->Preferences menu?
[16:23] <tgpraveen> gnome bug #443884
[16:23] <robin0800> Andy80: yes just choose edit menus
[16:24] <tgpraveen> gnome bug #579159
[16:24] <Andy80> robin0800: I've all voices enabled... maybe I don't have it installed... just tell me what do I have to install/execute from terminal
[16:24] <Andy80> it's better :)
[16:25] <tgpraveen> #599168
[16:25] <robin0800> Andy80: This its official name Multimedia Systems Selector
[16:26] <Andy80> robin0800: ahh! you did mean gstreamer-properties, ok! and... once there what do I have to do?
[16:27] <robin0800> Andy80: no its a menu to launch Multimedia Systems Selector
[16:28] <Andy80> robin0800: ok.... once I've started Multimedia System Selector... what do I have to do with it?
[16:28] <robin0800> Andy80: Take it off auto
[16:28] <mersault> Is it possible to play the music off my iPhone in Rhythmbox? I don't care about syncing (I sync with a Mac at home), but I'd like to be able to play the music on my iPhone through Rythmbox at work.
[16:29] <Andy80> robin0800: Audio --> Default Output --> Default Plugin: I change from "Autodetect" to "Pulse Audio" ?
[16:30] <robin0800> Andy80: yes if thats what you want some people prefer alsa but pulse audio works fine for me
[16:31] <Andy80> robin0800: Pulse would be ok, but.... as I told you, my soundcard is not detected in this moment... do you think there is a particular reason for this bug?
[16:32] <robin0800> Andy80: now install the pulse audio volume control  from software centre
[16:32] <robin0800> Andy80: did you test
[16:33] <Andy80> installing...
[16:34] <Andy80> "No cards available for configuration"
[16:34] <Andy80> :P
[16:34] <CShadowRun> Anyone know where i can find the "Why did my computer just randomly switch itself off" logs?
[16:34] <Andy80> robin0800: Pulse audio volume control cannot make miracles...
[16:38] <robin0800> Andy80: look just found this with google http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=940689
[16:38] <lanoxx> hi, can anyone tell me which packet is System->Preferences->Apperance?
[16:40] <Andy80> robin0800: it's a different distro (8.10) a different audio server (ALSA) and a completely different problem (in that case it never works, in my case sometimes doesn't work), so.... how could I get any help from that?
[16:41] <lemonade> lanoxx: gnome-control-center
[16:43] <lanoxx> lemonade, thx
[16:47] <robin0800> Andy80: last try alsamixer in a terminal
[16:47] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[16:48] <Andy80> robin0800: it says Card: HDA Intel                                                                                                                                           │
[16:48] <Andy80> │ Chip: Nvidia MCP78 HDMI
[16:48] <Andy80> is there any way to restart audio service?
[16:48] <JohnFlux> I've upgraded to 9.10, and noticed that Kubuntu is using an old version of the knetworkmanager applet
[16:49] <JohnFlux> bille (author) has made a load of important fixes and improvements to it since then
[16:49] <Andy80> sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart, doesn't work
[16:49] <JohnFlux> any chance of it being upgraded
[16:50] <darthanubis> Andy80, killall -9 pulseaudio, then alt-f2 pulseaudio
[16:51]  * jimpop notices for a second day that Karmic is working well now.
[16:51] <PrebenR> thx
[16:52] <PrebenR> anybody know how to get gdm to offer custom session?
[16:52] <Andy80> darthanubis: it didn't work: I mean... the sound card is still not detected...
[16:52] <PrebenR> I need it to use my .xsesion file to load dwm etc..
[16:53] <quiescens> intermittent freeze on resume is tedious ):
[16:53] <darthanubis> Andy80, restarting PA will not detect your sound card
[16:53] <bjsnider> JohnFlux, at this late stage in the development process, absolutely not
[16:53] <JohnFlux> bjsnider: hum
[16:53] <JohnFlux> bjsnider: yet another release with a broken network manager :-(
[16:53] <darthanubis> lol
[16:53] <darthanubis> there is no broken network manager
[16:54] <darthanubis> I don't even think Kubuntu still uses knetworkmanager
[16:54] <bjsnider> you might want to go to a k specific channel like #kubuntu or something. try to find Riddell
[16:54] <PrebenR> gdm is broken though...
[16:54] <JohnFlux> yeah there's no #kubuntu+1
[16:54] <Andy80> darthanubis: who detects my soundcard then?
[16:54] <lanoxx> checking for CAPPLET... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.15.0  glib-2.0 >= 2.17.4  gio-2.0  gconf-2.0  libxml-2.0  gnome-desktop-2.0 >= 2.25.1) were not met: No package 'gconf-2.0' found No package 'libxml-2.0' found No package 'gnome-desktop-2.0' found
[16:55] <JohnFlux> so it's a choice between here or #kubuntu
[16:55] <lanoxx> what does that mean
[16:56] <PrebenR> anybody know how to get gdm to offer custom session?
[16:56] <bjsnider> lanoxx, whatever you're trying to compile, run apt-get build-dep packagename
[16:56] <lanoxx> bjsnider, thx
[16:56] <bjsnider> you lack the build dependencies for it
[16:57] <bjsnider> darthanubis, what does kde4 use instead of knetworkmanager?
[16:57] <lanoxx> bjsnider, one more question, will the patches in ./debian/patches be automatically applied once i build the package?
[16:58] <bjsnider> not if you are building it yourself they won't
[16:58] <lanoxx> bjsnider, or ist there anything else i have to take care of? Maybe you could point me to some general documentation on how the packages are structured?
[16:58] <darthanubis> bjsnider, looking into it now. I reember them switching to something else.
[16:58] <bjsnider> i see
[16:59] <bjsnider> lanoxx, are you trying to construct a debian package?
[16:59] <lanoxx> bjsnider, no im trying to find a bug in a package
[16:59] <bjsnider> well i'm not sure exactly how you're trying to do that but i'd submit a bug and talk to the devs about it
[17:00] <lanoxx> bjsnider, so i want to find the exact code piece where i thing the problem is, and thats in one of the patches to i guess i would first need to apply the patch
[17:00] <bjsnider> patches are applied by quilt or dpatch during the debian build process
[17:00] <darthanubis> bjsnider, it is the network settings native to KDE 4.3
[17:00] <lanoxx> bjsnider, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/413385 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/269292
[17:01] <bjsnider> darthanubis, not sure exactly what that means
[17:01] <darthanubis> kdenetwork
[17:01] <darthanubis> search synaptic for kdenetwork
[17:01] <menzza> !alsa-mixer
[17:01] <darthanubis> remove kdeneworkmanager
[17:01] <bjsnider> well, i'm not _that_ interested
[17:01] <darthanubis> 1info kdenetwork
[17:02] <bjsnider> just mildly curious
[17:02] <darthanubis> !info kdenetwork
[17:10] <lanoxx> bjsnider, do you have any idea what i have to do to apply a patch from debian/patches?
[17:12] <whiteda> Hello, I have updated to Karmic on a machine that had been created from jaunty xubuntu then had gnome desktop and kubuntu desktop added - now that I upgraded to karmic - I seem to have updated gnome and xubuntu apps but I have 600 plus mostly KDE apps that are held back by apt-get upgrade.  How do I get everything?????
[17:13] <Polarina> whiteda: aptitude full-upgrade
[17:13] <whiteda> thanks Polarina - I'll try it
[17:15] <amgarchIn9> people that use KDE, do you have Shutdown button in Leave-menu? I dont! I run KDE grom GDM selector.
[17:19] <whiteda> Polarina, that looks like it's going to do it, thanks again.
[17:19] <quiescens> hmm
[17:20] <Armageddon> Gius, I tried to update Ubuntu using the CD but it did a partial upgrade and now gnome looks like the one on Debian and source package doesn't work
[17:20] <Armageddon> guys*
[17:23] <quiescens> how do you make karmic remove modules before suspend again?
[17:23] <quiescens> is it the same as it used to be or has it changed because of the devicekit stuff
[17:25] <quiescens> armageddon: how did you do a partial upgrade? using the update manager?
[17:26] <Armageddon> quiescens: I was using the alternative CD
[17:27] <Armageddon> yes using update manager
[17:27] <quiescens> update-manager -d
[17:27] <quiescens> or whatever
[17:29] <CydeSwype> has anyone had trouble or luck accepting meeting invites in evolution to a Google calendar?
[17:29] <CydeSwype> i have a bug into launchpad, but could use some other confirmation of the bug
[17:30] <CydeSwype> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/434262
[17:31] <om26er> any ubuntu moblin remix user with bags of bugs
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> mobilin and bag of bugs = an understatement. :)
[17:34] <om26er> Dr_Willis: what would be your words about that
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> I couldent even figure out how to do half the things i wanted to do with the last moblin release i tried.. and it dident work very well..
[17:35] <tj83_> can somone please help me! all i want to do is clear all of network-manager-gnome's files where i have made different connection. "purge" doesnt cut it. i tried to purge network-manager pptp-linux network-manager-gnome network-manager-pptp ppp, upon re-installation all settings are as they were... where are these files at?
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> but then the wife took my netbook. So i havent tried  it again this month
[17:36] <tj83_> Dr_Willis, can you help with that?
[17:36] <om26er> Dr_Willis: i would say release is 7 days away and it contains bugs that i don't think are gonna get fixed by release date
[17:36] <tj83_> past versions of ubuntu purge worked fine
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  Hmm I thought ubuntu Moblin was a different project then the Ubuntu netbook remix.
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> but all these netbook variants get confuseing. and i hate the dumbed down netbook interfaces.
[17:39] <om26er> Dr_Willis: actually i agree. after testing many netbook variants i am back to karmic desktop and its really kick ass
[17:39] <quiescens> I find they only make much sense if its a touchscreen
[17:39] <Guest99822> Hi from Berlin
[17:39] <Guest99822> anyone having ATI x700? and got it running in 1280*1024 under Karmic?
[17:40] <tj83_> anyone know where network-manager profiles are located?
[17:42] <edgy> Guest34396: I have R700 and it's working
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> perhaps in the users home directory somewhere tj83_
[17:42] <BluesKaj> tj83_, install wicd by adding this repos to your sources.list , it auto-removes network manager
[17:42] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[17:42] <tj83_> Dr_Willis, i searched and searched to no avail
[17:42] <tj83_> BluesKaj, i have no problem dumping network-manager, problem is the profile is left behind even with purge
[17:43] <BluesKaj> tj83_, deb http://apt.wicd.net karmic extras
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> tj83_:  try moving the users home directory and remaking it and see if it vanishes..
[17:43] <quiescens> tj83_: ~/.gconf/system/networking
[17:43] <jemand> edgy ist it a question of xorg.conf or where do I start the puzzle?
[17:43] <tj83_> quiescens, ty! let me check that out!
[17:43] <quiescens> because the connection profiles are userlevel profiles unless explicitly specified otherwise
[17:44] <edgy> jemand: ask at #ati
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> quiescens:  thats what i was figuring also.
[17:45] <om26er> ubuntu will release with gnome 2.28 or 2.28.1 ?
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> 2.28.0  would be my guess
[17:45] <darthanubis> I think what it says on the webpage would be right
[17:46] <om26er> 2.28.1 is out
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> dosent matter if its out or not.
[17:46] <jemand> THX
[17:46] <om26er> and some packages are 2.28.1
[17:46] <om26er> like totem empathy
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> the frezzes have gone in to effect. - but it could be they consider .1 a trival version change. or security updates
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[17:47] <oldude67> i dont think that their going to make any drastic changes less then 8 days till release.
[17:48] <lanoxx> running gnome-session-save should produce a file like ~/.gnome2/session or not?
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> 'final freeze' = oct 15
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> oct 22 = release canidate. :)
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm that tomorrow.
[17:48] <om26er> but yesterday empathy 2.28.1 came
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> does it really matter? :)
[17:48] <oldude67> om26er, well then t will probably in next release
[17:49] <om26er> is there a way to make new session for gnome-shell
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> FinalFreeze  EXTREMELY anal-retentive, high-caution period until the FinalRelease goes out. ReleaseTeam and relevant section team confirmed fixes only!
[17:49] <Polarina> Dr_Willis: That's Window's 7 release date!
[17:49] <Polarina> :O
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> i couldent even figure out how to use gnome-shell :)
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> Polarina:  woopiee. :P
[17:50] <om26er> Dr_Willis: install gnome shell
[17:50] <corp186> when I run apt-get with package resolver debug output I get "Package pulseaudio has broken Depends on libpulse0"
[17:50] <om26er> type gnome-shell --replace
[17:50] <corp186> how do I continue debugging this issue?
[17:51] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, do you know how gnome-session-save works?
[17:52] <NRVate> wouldnt that indicate libpulse0 won't install?
[17:52] <NRVate> so you'd then want to figure out why libpulse0 won't install?
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  not really messed with ot.
[17:52] <corp186> NRVate: libpulse0 is installed
[17:53] <corp186> NRVate: but it's libpulse0 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu2
[17:53] <corp186> NRVate: the latest is -0ubuntu3 I believe
[17:53] <Pconfig> hey, i have a dependency issue. I upgraded to karmic beta 2 days ago. Before karmic a had some ppa repo enabled to give me vdpau support so xine got updated to a version in that repo. Now karmic ships the same version and for some reason libxine-ffmpeg get removed during the update. When i want to install the lib now it depends on the official ubuntu version but i can't seem to change the xinelib i have installed now
[17:53] <corp186> but it won't still it
[17:53] <nemo> joaopinto: Hey, sent you an updated e-mail.
[17:53] <nemo> joaopinto: clearly that opengl feature is not reliably supported by either manufacturer
[17:55] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, man gnome-session specifies 3 files of which neither of them are present
[17:55] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, any idea how that could be?
[17:55] <joaopinto> nemo, ok, didn't check the email yet :\
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  ive not messed with gnome session management in years. so Nope. :)
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[17:56] <lanoxx> anyone else have an idea?
[17:56] <oldude67> anyone know where vbox web page can be found?
[17:56] <NRVate> hmm.. current version of pulseaudio depends on the newer version?
[17:56] <oldude67> !info vbox
[17:56] <NRVate> hmm.. you on i386 or amd64?
[17:56] <NRVate> @corpl86
[17:56] <oldude67> o b. s.
[17:57] <NRVate> you are correct, 0ubuntu3 is current for libpulse0
[17:58] <NRVate> pulseaudio is also 0u3 now.
[17:58] <oldude67> !info virtualbox
[17:59] <NRVate> !info pulseaudio
[17:59] <NRVate> neat.
[17:59] <fahadsadah> Canonical no longer support ACL?
[17:59] <fahadsadah> How comes? It's a core part of linux.
[17:59] <nemo> joaopinto: just as well ;)
[17:59] <kaddi> !vbox | oldude67 maybe you're looking for this?
[18:00] <nemo> joaopinto: NPOTT saves a little memory, but clearly is just not reliable. at least in ATI/nvidia
[18:01] <corp186> NRVate: output from apt-get: http://pastebin.com/d5527751c
[18:01] <kaddi> !info virtualbox-ose | oldude67 or possibly this:
[18:02] <oldude67> dont want the one in repos, it wont support usb..but thanks kaddi
[18:02] <giggsey> I installed the Beta, and the wifi worked fine (I have an Atheros Ar5001 chip), but after doing updates and rebooting the wireless stopped working. It says Wifi is turned off (stil finds a driver). Hardware switch affects nothing. Any ideas?
[18:03] <falstaff|h> sometimes i see grub 1.97, sometimes not, why? When I just reboot, i dont see it...
[18:03] <eagles0513875> oldude67: ask in vbox if your having issues
[18:03] <NRVate> yea, just noticing the same deal, that the .18->.19 upgrade is being held back
[18:03] <quiescens> i would imagine you could probably google virtualbox
[18:03] <eagles0513875> quiescens: they have a channel on here
[18:03] <ck773> olddude67: you want the non-free available on the website, virtualbox.org
[18:03] <oldude67> eagles0513875, dont have issues was just trying to find the homepage
[18:03] <eagles0513875> oldude67: let me get it for ya
[18:03] <lanoxx> !gnome-control-center
[18:04] <lanoxx> !gnome-control-center
[18:04] <eagles0513875> oldude67: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[18:04] <lanoxx> who is the maintainer of gnome-control-center?
[18:04] <oldude67> eagles0513875, got it thanks.
[18:04] <eagles0513875> no problem
[18:04] <quiescens> i would still bet that it would have been the first result for googling virtualbox
[18:04] <quiescens> nodnod
[18:04] <oldude67> quiescens, no it wasnt thanks anyways.
[18:05] <quiescens> I suppose you have a different google to me then
[18:05] <oldude67> quiescens, well im sorry that you have to refer everyone to google, just for a simple question..
[18:09] <quiescens> well kaddi already got the url by typing !vbox before I suggested google so I probably didn't need to try googling it
[18:10] <oldude67> quiescens, sheesh drop it.
[18:13] <ha1331> Just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10. All went pretty well, except for the fact that I had VirtualBox with XP client and after upgrade I didn't have the image anymore. So I lost the whole XP.
[18:14] <ha1331> And these days when I start playing movie on smplayer, on start of the movie I get loud cracking noise from speakers.
[18:14] <quiescens> the upgrade deleted the disk image or something?
[18:15] <ha1331> plus the picture jerks and almost freeses and all sound disapears if I put it on fullscreen. It starts to work if I rewind the movie
[18:15] <OmnipotentEntity> On my wireless: Karmic Koala Carelessly Kills my Card with Current Kernel.
[18:15] <OmnipotentEntity> :)
[18:15] <nemo> joaopinto: oh. latest patch should also fix problem where some video cards weren't reporting their max texture size - assumes 1024 if 0 is returned (that unfortunately reduces quality, but better than assuming 2048 and just erroring)
[18:15] <ha1331> quiescens: yes. I still have the virtual box but the image disapearred
[18:15] <quiescens> she sells sea shells
[18:15] <eagles0513875> kde the network manage doesnt even connect to my wireless as well as not store the connection info and password
[18:16] <quiescens> strange
[18:16] <quiescens> where was the disk image being stored
[18:16] <ha1331> quiescens: actually even the virtual machine is there on the list but if I try to start it, it just tell's me no disk image
[18:16] <lanoxx> why is launchpad so damn slow recently
[18:17] <quiescens> the image might still be somewhere
[18:18] <ha1331> quiescens: it's no biggie. Just had it for photoshop and something else. Not a biggie, just 20 minutes and I', back in busines
[18:18] <quiescens> maybe find out the filename of the disk image its trying to use and search for it and then add the disk image back into the virtualbox disk manager
[18:18] <ha1331> just wanted to tell what happened
[18:19] <pratik_narain> is something being done in karmic regarding ati graphics cards
[18:20] <Theresia> hey guys... i've got a problem with the kubuntu 9.10 beta. i installed the os successfully on my hd. but the operating system isn't booting after a reboot. the boot-configuration in the bios is alright. i don't know what i shall do :/
[18:20] <quiescens> still, it would be nice to know whether the disk was actually deleted or something
[18:20] <quiescens> or just misplaced
[18:20] <om26er> Theresia: come again
[18:20] <quiescens> because if it actually deleted it or something then it would pose a significant data loss risk
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: any other os was installed before
[18:21] <OmnipotentEntity> quiescens, you can look up the name of the virtual machine in virtualbox configuration
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: mac or win
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: or any other distro
[18:21] <OmnipotentEntity> and the machines are stored in ~/.VirtualBox
[18:21] <quiescens> not me
[18:22] <Theresia> om26er: Nope, it's a new Velociraptor
[18:22] <quiescens> theresia: any error or anything?
[18:23] <Twigathy> w00t, my NFS mounts in fstab actually mounted on boot this time :D
[18:23] <Twigathy> hurrah for updates :)
[18:24] <shawn_> What exactly is Ubuntu one?
[18:24] <om26er> Twigathy: yes its really great
[18:24] <OmnipotentEntity> Anyway, my card is atheros AR5001X+, and the ath_pci module isn't available anymore for my kernel, it seems like, and the ath5k driver is buggy and slow (ath9k is not applicable to my card) any idea?
[18:24] <om26er> shawn_: online web storage service from canonical with 2gb free space
[18:25] <shawn_> om26er, Oh and I can access it anywhere?
[18:25] <om26er> shawn_: sure
[18:25] <Theresia> quiescens: The only "error" I can see is when I shut down after the install... There is something said about "process xxx killed by bus system" ... But it's a error-message like that one's I had in my previous ubuntu 9.04-installation
[18:25] <quiescens> I mean
[18:25] <quiescens> when you try to boot it
[18:25] <ninjah> When Empathy beeps it does so at maximum volume. How do I change that?
[18:25] <quiescens> what do you get?
[18:25] <om26er> shawn_: u can extend that to 50gb by paying
[18:25] <shawn_> om26er, Would be useful if I didnt have my own server xD
[18:26] <Theresia> quiescens: I just get nothing... There is just the blinking "_" after "Verifying DMI Pool Data ..........."
[18:26] <Truman_> Hey all, I'm having some trouble booting the 9.10 live cd on a 5.5 macbook pro -- it starts loading things, "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd [OK] .." etc, until it gets to "Checking battery state... ... [OK]" then it says "...done." and just sits with a blinking cursor.  I let it sit awhile, but it hasn't changed in ten minutes or so.  Any ideas?
[18:26] <om26er> shawn_: i don't know about that but i guess its not for server
[18:28] <quiescens> mm
[18:28] <quiescens> I don't know exactly
[18:28] <quiescens> I would probably try putting the hard drive higher than the cd drive in the boot order and then put a bootable cd in
[18:29] <quiescens> see if its actually trying to boot the hd or if its not finding anything bootable at all
[18:29] <Theresia> quiescens: 1 moment
[18:30] <Theresia> i did as you told me
[18:30] <Theresia> the cd is not booting
[18:30] <Theresia> just the blinking "_"
[18:31] <quiescens> hard to say if its not giving an error
[18:31] <om26er> Theresia: try a bootable usb
[18:31] <Theresia> om26er: Installing ubuntu on the usb-device?
[18:32] <om26er> Theresia: from the usb i guess
[18:33] <om26er> Theresia: although you might also give a try to install on a usb it might work
[18:33] <om26er> Theresia: ***just to check
[18:33] <quiescens> did you install grub to /dev/sda
[18:33] <quiescens> or um
[18:34] <om26er> Theresia: any extra usb connected
[18:34] <Theresia> quiescens: hum... i just followed the setup... i'll check it. no, no extra usb-devices
[18:34] <ninjah> Empathy Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/451113
[18:36] <ninjah> Empathy Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/451113
[18:36] <om26er> Theresia: give it a try again
[18:36] <Theresia> @work.
[18:38] <quiescens> I can't remember whether grub installs to mbr or superblock
[18:38] <om26er> quiescens: mbr
[18:42] <lazarus> i just upgraded to ubuntu karmic, i have an ATi card and graphics are not working properly, i cannot see the desktop
[18:42] <lazarus> help please
[18:42] <Theresia> hum, grub HAS TO BE on sda? sdc is a problem?
[18:43] <quiescens> no
[18:43] <om26er> Theresia: sda is you harddrive if you boot from you harddrive then grub needs to be installed on sda
[18:44] <om26er> lazarus: ATI worked on jaunty??
[18:44] <Theresia> Ty!
[18:44] <lazarus> yes
[18:45] <om26er> lazarus: did a clean install? or  upgrade from jaunty?
[18:45] <lazarus> upgrade from jaunty
[18:45] <quiescens> theresia: if there's only one hard drive then it probably should be sda
[18:46] <om26er> Theresia: you have done nothing wrong you just need a new install
[18:46] <om26er> Theresia: again
[18:46] <JesperHansen> hi, I am trying to install 9.10 beta from a usb stick. Downloaded the ISO, mounted it in daemon tools, used the usb util that followed and checked the integraty of the stick and its ok. I am however gettings errors. "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737 and dmesg is http://pastebin.org/46738 - NOTE: Both are with DEBUG= kernel boot option.
[18:46] <rob0> Any bootloader has to be on whatever device the BIOS will attempt to boot from.
[18:47] <om26er> lazarus: do you have a karmic live cd?? if yes!! try to run it and see if you desktop comes up
[18:47] <lazarus> the live cd works
[18:49] <om26er> lazarus: that's weired
[18:49] <om26er> lazarus: try running recovery mode
[18:50] <lazarus> on it now
[18:50] <om26er> lazarus: when you get shell in type gdm and enter i might work
[18:50] <om26er> lazarus: yes try it now and come back again
[18:51] <lazarus> same problem
[18:52] <phako> is there really no progress indicator if the system decides it is time to check my harddrive?
[18:52] <om26er> lazarus: omg!! i don't know anything further sorry
[18:53] <lazarus> om26er, WARNING: Unable to find users: no seat-id found
[18:53] <lazarus> om26er, thats what gdm binary says
[18:54] <om26er> lazarus: something is wrong there i think
[18:54] <lazarus> om26er, laptop just overheated
[18:54] <om26er> lazarus: so you really cant reinstall??
[18:55] <lazarus> om26er, still have data, reinstall is my last resort, im trying an older kernel
[18:56] <om26er> lazarus: that won't work i guess
[18:56] <lazarus> om26er, thanks for the help
[18:57] <om26er> lazarus: i never helped you.
[18:58] <lazarus> om26er, no worries
[18:59] <tdcrenshaw> lazerus: boot into recovery mode, then type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Section: "Device" comment out the driver section then reboot
[18:59] <quiescens> lazarus: does it finish booting?
[18:59] <Armageddon> quiescens, yes
[19:00] <quiescens> what happens? blank screen?
[19:00] <Armageddon> tdcrenshaw, I will try that
[19:00] <quiescens> garbled screen?
[19:00] <Armageddon> quiescens, no, freaked up screen
[19:00] <quiescens> does ctrl-alt-f1 still get you to a console login?
[19:00] <quiescens> or is it frozen
[19:00] <pratik_narain> is something being done in karmic regarding ati graphics cards
[19:01] <Armageddon> quiescens, now it is freezing
[19:01] <quiescens> so ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work when it happens
[19:02] <Armageddon> now no
[19:02] <om26er> pratik_narain: probably kernel 2.26.32
[19:04] <quiescens> you could probably try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if it works with default xorg settings
[19:08] <JesperHansen> How often can you possibly repeat a question?
[19:08] <hsarci> rythmbox starts with my macine even though is not in my "Startup programs" list....any ideas??
[19:09] <quiescens> if you mean me, I wasn't sure what they meant by "now"
[19:10] <Theresia> I reinstalled...
[19:10] <om26er> Theresia: and now its working??
[19:10] <Theresia> When I say "restart" after the installation, there are 3 lines of code and the pc is not rebooting:
[19:10] <om26er> power off
[19:10] <Theresia> the loc dont matter?!
[19:11] <Theresia> k
[19:12] <Theresia> i love you guys, it is working. and it's fucking fast :D
[19:13] <Theresia> thank you, bye!
[19:15] <hsarci> rythmbox starts with my macine even though is not in my "Startup programs" list....any ideas??
[19:20] <zooko> Hi folks!  Phoronix benchmark shows huge performance regression for Karmic in sqlite insertions: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_ubuntu910&num=7
[19:20] <zooko> (Otherwise Karmic performance looks good.)
[19:25] <quiescens> its an ext4 thing
[19:26] <quiescens> not entirely sure why
[19:28] <zooko> Yeah.
[19:28] <porter1> Anyone else experiencing more pulseaudio problems (protocol-native.c: Failed to push data into queue) stuff?
[19:32] <OmnipotentEntity> My card is atheros AR5001X+, and the ath_pci module isn't available anymore for my kernel, it seems like, and the ath5k driver is buggy and slow (ath9k is not applicable to my card) any idea?
[19:33] <chanson> where does KWin log when it crashes? I have an intermittent error where KWin will sometimes not allow compositing sometimes a reboot fixes sometimes not, I am fully updated/upgraded through aptitude
[19:36] <chanson> I have looked at the .xsession_errors and can't really find anything that would lead me in a direction, I am using an intel 965 card
[19:51] <duffydack> was the option "require me to login to decrypt my home folder" there in karmic beta installer?
[19:51]  * duffydack installing a daily-live, dont remember seeing it before.
[19:55] <tavasti> what replaces vol_id in karmic? udev package does not include that anymore
[19:57] <alankila> blkid
[19:58] <tavasti> thanks
[19:59] <sdg> FFS Karmic just crashed and I lost data AGAIN
[20:00] <JesperHansen> I am trying to install 9.10 beta from a usb stick. Downloaded the ISO, mounted it in daemon tools, used the usb util that followed and checked the integraty of the stick and its ok. I am however gettings errors. "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737 and dmesg is http://pastebin.org/46738 - NOTE: Both are with DEBUG= kernel boot option.
[20:02] <sebsebseb> JesperHansen: Deamontools does not get used to install Ubuntu!
[20:02] <JesperHansen> sebsebseb, its used to mount the iso and using the usb util.
[20:05] <ck773> Jesper: did you try a utility like unetbootin to make your bootable usb stick?
[20:06] <ck773> Jesper: There is good help here with various methods for doing what you are attempting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:12] <JesperHansen> ck773, trying the UNetbootin thing instead now.
[20:13] <ck773> JesperHansen: It seems to make good sense..
[20:15] <ck773> JesperHansen: Note that you will need to have the .iso for Karmic handy as UNetbootin will not have the beta version available yet.
[20:19] <edgy> Hi, when I click shutdown from the menu in kubuntu it didn't work!
[20:22] <JesperHansen> ck773, same error there. Will download a daily to see if it also has the fault
[20:23] <rrreds> yeah i have a question
[20:23] <gorthaug> hi
[20:23] <rrreds> i have a wireless device
[20:23] <rrreds> that is recognized by ubuntu
[20:23] <rrreds> but does not run
[20:24] <rrreds> will not connect to internet through the wirelees device?
[20:24] <rrreds> can any one tell me what to do
[20:24] <rrreds> i have a linksys
[20:24] <rrreds> and ubuntu 8
[20:25] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, im using a daily from today, what is the problem?
[20:25] <rrreds> my wireless device doesnt work
[20:25] <ck773> rrreds: Go to the #ubuntu channel for non-beta support.
[20:25] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737
[20:26] <JesperHansen> I found 1 bug report about it, but I found it more confusing than useful
[20:27] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, haven't found no problem since i dont mount anything
[20:27] <BoxMagnet> any idea why my harddrive is so hot on my laptop on ubuntu?
[20:27] <ck773> oh geez..I have tried with loopback partitions...and Karmic had trouble booting them for me as well
[20:27] <BoxMagnet> it was not like this in winblows
[20:28] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, its the live "cd" (actually usb stick) that mounts during the upstart that fails.
[20:28] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, ahh, ok i see what your saying
[20:29] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, i burnt a alternate cd 2 hrs ago
[20:30] <undeconstructed> hi, has anyone found their gnome panel's suddenly have suddenly become invisible?  I just started eclipse, and now I can't see the panels at all, although I can still click on them, and they work fine
[20:39] <Snotty_> Hi, Who likes Karmic koala? I definitly think that karmic is best OS ever.
[20:39] <thiebaude> Snotty_, i love it
[20:40] <thiebaude> Snotty_, its the only OS on my computer
[20:41] <chanson> Where would I find the debug logs for KWin crashes besides in .xsession-errors?
[20:43] <elvirolo> hi
[20:43] <elvirolo> is anyone using kubuntu able to connect to secure wifi networks with knetworkmanager ?
[20:43] <jimlovell777> After installing all available updates for karmic if I select more than one video to be played in Totem only the first video has sound. To hear the next video I have to close Totem and re-open for the file. Is this a known issue?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> anyone get any updates today ...I haven't
[20:46] <jemark> BluesKaj, me neither, only some ppa updates... ;)
[20:46] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, not me, either
[20:47] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, and 2 hrs ago i installed the daily cd
[20:47] <jemark> thiebaude, it's probably the rc ;)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> ok, the repos aren't being loaded today ...maybe the the lull before the storm next week :)
[20:47] <thiebaude> jemark, its sure stable for me
[20:48] <jemark> thiebaude, also stable here :) much better ATI and Intel video support.
[20:49] <BluesKaj> are those older numbered rt patches that end up on grub, safe to delete ?
[20:49] <thiebaude> jemark, thats cool, flash is very good and in full screen
[20:49] <whirleystar> hi folks. i upgraded from jaunty to karmic beta, intel-video, now i have vertical bars instead of an X login, and fuzzy bars (one blinks) when ctrl-alt-f1 to terminal.... i think the blinking one is a gigantic cursor
[20:50] <jemark> thiebaude, yes, on my newer laptop with the i965 intel card (X3100) it's good too.
[20:50] <thiebaude> whirleystar, which intel card
[20:50] <thiebaude> jemark, i have nvidia
[20:51] <jemark> thiebaude, nvidia is very good supported under linux.
[20:51] <whirleystar> laptop: gateway M-6834,  video: Intel GMA X3100
[20:52] <jemark> whirleystar, I have no problems with this card...
[20:53] <thiebaude> jemark, yep, it sure is,
[20:53] <jemark> whirleystar, In fact, I'm typing on a Dell Inspiron 1525 with a X3100 card.
[20:53]  * thiebaude i cant wait until the release party
[20:56] <fcuk112_> the party is in my pants.
[20:56] <fcuk112_> just kidding.
[20:57] <whirleystar> hmm... i did "update-notifier-kde -d" confirmed that everything installed before rebooting... i have had two boots that worked, not the first nor the last
[20:57] <fcuk112_> any release party in london?
[21:01] <d33d> Question - Is there a problem with the Main Menu configuration program? When I select "System Tools" and check off a few applications, they aren't posting back to the Main Menu...
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> fcuk112_: I know that there is, but don't have the details.  See if it's on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseParties
[21:04] <d33d> False alarm, looks like its working now.
[21:07] <elvirolo> hum, it seems i can't connect to WEP either although it works with nm-applet
[21:08] <ioka> hello
[21:09] <ioka> when I start /etc/init.d/dhcpd I get not such file of directory /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.config .THe file exist
[21:12] <whirleystar> so, i used ssh to get in, is there some way i can check for necessary driver version for intel x3100?
[21:14] <jemark> whirleystar, I use X.Org X Server 1.6.4.901
[21:15] <jemark> whirleystar, you can check it in the xorg log file...
[21:15] <NRVate> man guys, karmic is looking pretty sweet.  nice going.
[21:15] <whirleystar> just looked there, grepped "EE" and got (EE) intel(0): I830 Dma Initialization Failed
[21:16] <dominic_> I have a pretty serious problem with update manager
[21:17] <dominic_> every time i click "check for new updates", i get a notification of "Installation defaults for Gnome power manager has failed" or something...
[21:18] <dominic_> *has failed = have not installed correctly
[21:18] <dominic_> can anyone help?
[21:18] <dominic_> i tried going into synaptic to install, but it told me to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" because it was broken. I ran it, and that didn't work
[21:19] <dominic_> It gives a parse error on line 28
[21:19] <dominic_> can anyone heklp?
[21:19] <jt76> has anyone here every used Crossover?
[21:19] <Travis-42> one of the recent updates made notifications from rhythmbox really tiny (can't read anything). Any idea how to fix this?
[21:20] <darthanubis> !patience | dominic_
[21:21] <whirleystar> jemark: X.org server: 1.6.4-2ubuntu3, intel module: compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 2.4.1
[21:22] <dominic_> huh? oh...sorry...didn't mean to repeat myself :)
[21:22] <dominic_> lol
[21:23] <jemark> whirleystar, Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[21:23] <jemark> 	compiled for 1.6.4.901, module version = 2.9.0
[21:23] <jemark> 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[21:23] <jemark> 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
[21:23] <darthanubis> !flood | jemark
[21:23] <vanishing> hmmm..no updates today?
[21:23] <darthanubis> vanishing, of course not, RC tomorrow
[21:23] <vanishing> oh..
[21:24] <vanishing> no wonder..forgot rc
[21:24] <jemark> vanishing, only pidgin for me...
[21:24] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[21:24] <vanishing> hmmm..karmic development is not that exciting..
[21:25] <vanishing> did not see any major breakage.
[21:25] <whirleystar> jemark: ouch... it looks like have a really old intel module
[21:25] <vanishing> anyone here gonna go straight to lynx development test?
[21:25] <vanishing> after karmic of course.
[21:26] <jemark> whirleystar, http://pastebin.com/d2149b67d
[21:26] <jemark> whirleystar, there you have the full xorg.0.log file ;)
[21:27] <jemark> whirleystar, used the ppa from ubuntu-tweak...
[21:29] <jemark> whirleystar, are you still there? i have to go now.
[21:29] <whirleystar> jemark: yes, looking at tweak now
[21:29] <whirleystar> jemark: thanks for your help
[21:29] <NRVate> vanishing it should't be... kind of down to the wire you could say..
[21:30] <jemark> whirleystar, you're welcome. see you
[21:30] <NRVate> awesome @ rc tommorow.
[21:30] <vanishing> NRVate: i was expecting them to be honest..lol
[21:31] <NRVate> hah
[21:31] <vanishing> NRVate:"them" i meant kreaks..
[21:31] <vanishing> NRVate:are you gonna test lts?
[21:36] <dominic_> Bye
[21:37] <vanishing> bue
[21:37] <vanishing> bye*
[21:53] <NRVate> vanishing: we dont run LTS around here
[21:53] <NRVate> not at my shop atleast, folks in the channel may though
[21:53] <syk> is there a repo for "backports" on karmic?
[21:55] <thiebaude> syk, i have one in my sources
[21:58] <BUGabundo> olá
[21:59] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, salut
[21:59] <BUGabundo> o/ thiebaude
[21:59] <thiebaude> haha
[21:59] <BUGabundo> everyone getting ready for kitten killing release parrties?
[21:59] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, im looking forward to it
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I'll miss all you guys :((
[22:00] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, you'll see us next year,lol
[22:00] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[22:00] <BUGabundo> in 3 weeks :)
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I can't run stable for long
[22:00] <BUGabundo> as soon as toolchain is done
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I'll be here
[22:01] <BUGabundo> distupgrading :)
[22:01] <BUGabundo> _while it hottrrr_
[22:01] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, i've already deployed 9.10
[22:01] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: ?
[22:01] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, a daily image of 9.10 worked. Its booting properly now.
[22:02] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, cool
[22:02] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, im sticking with this daily
[22:03] <JesperHansen> tho I gotta re dl a netbook image. The daily I got was the desktop one
[22:03] <thiebaude> ahh
[22:03] <DummyXL> hellow.. One  question, When I install the rc 9.10, will it be automatic gets the updates of the final version or must I manual Upgrade and add new servers after one week?
[22:03] <dupondje> DummyXL: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:03] <dupondje> and tadaa :P
[22:04] <thiebaude> DummyXL, just keep updating it
[22:04] <JesperHansen> the live actually seems pretty careless that I removed the usb stick
[22:04] <DummyXL> ok, thanks... this will not be automatick? to run the final version I have to do that steps?
[22:05] <edgy> Hi, it takes a lot to start kde while gnome works well
[22:05] <dupondje> DummyXL: normally it will prompt
[22:05] <dupondje> when there are updates
[22:06] <ADmiral> Hi, I've got boot problems. On a long-standing install that was upgraded over time all the way from Hardy (I think), I manually added the main Karmic repository and upgraded lots of packages. Afterwards I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade". On restart, the screen won't stop flickering and several weird error messages pop up over time. The most common one is "[some number] hub 6-0:1.0:port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..."
[22:06] <DummyXL> Ok the servers are the same, so updating is all I have to do than to go from Rc to final 9.10
[22:06] <ADmiral> How can I fix that without a complete reinstall?
[22:07] <dupondje> DummyXL: indeed :)
[22:07] <JesperHansen> hmm, got a link to the daily images?
[22:07] <DummyXL> Thank you...
[22:08] <dupondje> JesperHansen: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:08] <dupondje> google is nice
[22:09] <JesperHansen> jesper is lazy
[22:09] <JesperHansen> thx
[22:24] <Dink> Hello, not sure if its here where I need to post this but I am currently running Karmic and something funky is going on. Initially when I logged in compiz.real was eating up all my cpu. I then changed "visual effects" to none and cpu went back to normal. I then looked at where I was logged in and it seems like gdm started on tty1 and not 7. All other tty seem to be unusable.
[22:24] <vanishing> !question
[22:24] <vanishing> oh..im right
[22:24] <vanishing> lol
[22:24] <Heikki123> http://capslockday.com/
[22:25] <AdamDV> Hello, Karmic broke my mouse, on an Acer aspire one.
[22:25] <AdamDV> Internal mouse pad no work.
[22:25] <AdamDV> But, I'll try again after updates and after release ;)
[22:25] <Heikki123> how does it not work?
[22:26] <Dink> I noticed there was a bug posted for the compiz.real eating up cpu portion but was not able to find anything relating to gdm/gnome starting on tty1 and not 7 and making other tty unusable
[22:26] <vanishing> sudo apt-get install gsynaptics
[22:26] <vanishing> and configure your touchpad with it
[22:26] <vanishing> AdamDV
[22:27] <ck773> he is gone
[22:27] <mzz> bah
[22:27] <mzz> I think someone else reported the same thing the other day
[22:28] <mzz> hmm, no, that was an asus eeepc
[22:28] <Type3Singularity> If there's still a bug in the RC there isn't not a whole lot of chance that it will get fixed is there? (unless its major)
[22:28]  * mzz can't tell acer and asus apart
[22:29] <mzz> Type3Singularity: well, the reason for having an rc instead of saying it's final right away is so critical things can still be fixed
[22:29] <mzz> but yeah, it has to be a pretty significant bug, and the bugfix must not be too risky
[22:30] <c4pt> anyone use zeroshell?
[22:31] <mzz> !anyone
[22:31] <c4pt> mzz: that was my real question.
[22:31] <c4pt> mzz does anyone use zeroshell.
[22:32] <Dink> Gdm/gnome starts on tty1 and not 7 ? Also I can not switch to any other tty. Any ideas why ?
[22:32] <Dink> better @ mzz :)
[22:32] <mzz> c4pt: hmm, I wonder if the popularity contest results are viewable somewhere
[22:33] <c4pt> mzz zeroshell isnt a package.
[22:33]  * mzz still thinks it's a somewhat odd question, since presumably whoever wrote and/or packaged the software uses it
[22:33] <c4pt> mzz your a fucking idiot.
[22:34]  * mzz frowns
[22:34] <ck773> !abuse
[22:35] <mzz> c4pt: given what this channel is for my link to that factoid is appropriate for about 99/100 of the "does anyone/anybody" questions. I'd argue you're asking about zeroshell in the wrong place (I just looked up what it actually is)
[22:35] <mzz> c4pt: also, in my experience abusing the helpers tends to stop others from helping you :P
[22:35] <c4pt> mzz yeah but i was wondering if anyone uses zeroshell for a reason . the reason being i am trying to use it with wpa2 enterprise and ubuntu
[22:35] <mzz> ahh, there we go
[22:36] <c4pt> mzz im not trying to abuse you...
[22:36] <mzz> c4pt: so consider asking you actual wpa2-related question, since it's far from certain solving whatever issue you have with that requires others to use zeroshell
[22:36] <mzz> c4pt: "you're a fucking idiot" isn't abuse now?
[22:36]  * mzz gives up
[22:36] <Heikki123> :))
[22:37]  * JesperHansen slaps mzz
[22:39] <rob0> mzz, and your mom dresses you funny!
[22:39] <c4pt> does anyone connect to a wpa2 enterprise like this              router<---zeroshell radius<---client trying to connect
[22:40] <c4pt> i have the trustedCA.pem file for the CA certificate and the right user password and right user name with PEAP but it fails to connect...
[22:42] <c4pt> i see in the zeroshell log  	Ignoring request from unknown client 192.168.1.2:1024               which is me trying to connect.
[22:48] <Travis-42> has anyone noticed the size of their notification bubbles suddenly shrink in one of the updates in the last few days?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> not really
[22:49] <BUGabundo> did them?
[22:49] <Travis-42> well, on my screen they've gotten so small I can't read all the text, but I don't know if it's just me
[22:49] <BluesKaj> hmm , mostly the notification app just crashes on bootup :)
[22:50] <Travis-42> heh
[22:50] <Travis-42> well I guess I'm one step ahead then ;-)
[22:52] <BluesKaj> Travis-42, well, not on my laptop, which I'm on now , but my pc does..dunno why
[22:53] <c4pt> does anyone use wpa2 enterprise on their own lan?
[22:53] <RussellAlan> firefox 3.5.2 is running horribly slow.
[22:54] <Travis-42> it seems that it takes the "application font" setting and makes it even smaller
[22:56] <ADmiral> Re-phrase and retry: When trying to boot Karmic, the screen won't stop flickering and several weird error messages get printed over time. The most common one is "[some number] hub 6-0:1.0:port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...". How I got here: on my Jaunty, I manually added the main Karmic repository and upgraded lots of packages. There were no show-stopping problems at this point, reboot worked fine. Afterwards I ran "apt-g
[22:57] <dupondje> ADmiral: where does it stop
[22:57] <francis6> where is the karmic daily with graphical installer please
[22:57] <NRVate> "ran apt-" something
[22:57] <NRVate> hah
[22:57] <dupondje> francis6:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:57] <ADmiral> dupondje: I can see the login prompt on the command line terminals but I can't see the graphical login prompt.
[22:58] <dupondje> ADmiral: try to login
[22:58] <dupondje> type startx
[22:58] <dupondje> or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[22:58] <francis6> dupondje thats the alternate I asked for the graphical
[22:58] <dupondje> and check /var/log/Xorg.log
[22:58] <slacker_nl> lo
[22:58] <ADmiral> dupondje: I've tried logging in, but the keyboard presses are not registered most of the time. This makes it impossible to enter a password.
[22:59] <dupondje> francis6: lol, try looking bigt harder
[22:59] <slacker_nl> dupondje: on karmic it is service gdm start
[22:59] <joaopinto> ADmiral, you did not upgrade using a recommended procedure !
[22:59] <ADmiral> I can still get the logs if there are any, I'm on another install on the same hd right now (an old Gutsy)
[22:59] <francis6> dupondje huh?
[22:59] <dupondje> slacker_nl: /etc/init.d/gdm restart works without problem imo :P
[22:59] <ADmiral> joaopinto: no :(
[22:59] <joaopinto> ADmiral, you upgrade with updadate-manager -d, not with dist-upgrade
[22:59] <slacker_nl> dupondje: you don't get a message telling you to use service <name> start ??
[23:00] <dupondje> joaopinto: update-manager -d just fetches a sources.list for karmic ?
[23:00] <slacker_nl> dupondje: afaik gdm/kdm/xdm is using upstart now
[23:00]  * NRVate isn't too surprised manually hacking in the repos and overlaying packages breaks stuff
[23:00] <joaopinto> dupondje, no, it also handles specific upgrade cases which are not covered by regular package upgrades
[23:00] <NRVate> oh.. upstart.. that's the new fancy login thing?>
[23:00] <ADmiral> dupondje: I don't have a /var/log/Xorg.log
[23:01] <joaopinto> NRVate, no, upstart is a new boot system, not login related
[23:01] <slacker_nl> NRVate: no, the replacement for init.d scripts :)
[23:01] <NRVate> right on
[23:01] <dupondje> Xorg.0.log
[23:01] <dupondje> it seems :p
[23:01] <kaddi> hi, i have a karmic installation, which was running great now upon boot it only says "filesystem check failed. A maintenance shell will now be started. [...] acer-wmi: no or unsupported wmi interface unable to load. "
[23:01] <dupondje> joaopinto: didn't know :)
[23:01] <ADmiral> dupondje: oh, sorry
[23:01] <NRVate> dont mind me, first day testing out karmic.
[23:01] <francis6> dupondje where is the graphical ISO please?
[23:01] <dupondje> anyway, working since Alpha 2 :P
[23:01] <NRVate> yes, im late lol
[23:01] <slacker_nl> dupondje: :)
[23:01] <slacker_nl> dupondje: same time I started using karmic
[23:02] <kaddi> As it used to work I suspect there is somthing broken, can I manually load the acer-wmi in that maintenance shell?
[23:02] <slacker_nl> i think upstart hit the shelves around alpha3/4
[23:02] <dupondje> francis6: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091020.3/
[23:02] <dupondje> lazy fucker
[23:02] <ADmiral> dupondje: Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log Xorg.1.log.old Xorg.20.log Xorg.2.log Xorg.2.log.old Xorg.3.log Xorg.3.log.old Xorg.4.log Xorg.4.log.old Xorg.5.log Xorg.5.log.old Xorg.99.log Xorg.failsafe.log Xorg.failsafe.log.old          which one
[23:02] <dupondje> 0.log
[23:02] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: Xorg.0.log
[23:02] <dupondje> slacker_nl: just hope they will fixed aptitude bug :( Its extremely crap :P
[23:02] <slacker_nl> dupondje: which bug?
[23:02] <hetauma> is any1 having problems installing addons on firefox? got a clean install of 9.10 and can't add any addon on firefox. it takes ages and then it gives a download error -228
[23:03] <dupondje> slacker_nl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[23:03] <slacker_nl> haven't noticed anything weird with aptitude....??
[23:03] <dupondje> slacker_nl: only happens when you have descent screen with good resolution ;)
[23:03] <Ademan> anyone know what importing user accounts does if you're installing over an existing partition, but not formatting?
[23:03] <ADmiral> dupondje, slacker_nl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/298635/ "no screens found"...
[23:04] <ADmiral> maybe some problems with the .conf? How do I get better log messages
[23:04] <slacker_nl> dupondje: ahh, i have seen that behaviour
[23:04] <NRVate> neat, upstart replaces /sbin/init
[23:04] <NRVate> pretty major change there you could say :)
[23:04] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i just hit enter a couple of times and it continues (or ctrl c restart aptitude)
[23:05] <NRVate> http://upstart.ubuntu.com for those who would like to read more ...
[23:05] <dupondje> slacker_nl: true, but it sux. Should be fixed imo :P
[23:05] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i sometimes blame my wireless network too, which drops in speed overtime..
[23:05] <slacker_nl> dupondje: hehe, something I can live with :)
[23:05] <slacker_nl> should be fixed none the less
[23:06] <dupondje> true, but still. If I provide the patch :) they should at least include it :P
[23:06] <slacker_nl> dupondje: make it a debdiff, will be included quicker
[23:06] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[23:07] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: ^^ is your real error
[23:07] <ADmiral> dupondje: oh ^^ so I have to change some driver string to "nv", as far as I remember?
[23:07] <ADmiral> slacker_nl, sorry, meant to talk to you
[23:08] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: i think so, not too familiar with nvidea
[23:08] <dupondje> slacker_nl: maby :) but didn't got real time to do that :) Was happy I found a solution to fix the error. But its prolly not THE solution
[23:08] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i could do it for you, but I want to watch heroes now :)
[23:08] <slacker_nl> or goto bed...
[23:08] <dupondje> :p
[23:08] <dupondje> they just need to notice it, and fix it
[23:08] <dupondje> so yea :D
[23:09] <dupondje> ADmiral: there isn't a Xorg.conf anymore
[23:09] <dupondje> it should be all auto imo
[23:09] <zniavre> good evening : what is this soft (under red arrow) and how to desactivate it please?
[23:09] <slacker_nl> dupondje: /j #ubuntu-motu and ask for someone to pick it up
[23:09] <zniavre> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2668/capturepsc.png
[23:09] <dupondje> slacker_nl: its not MOTU imo, its main package
[23:09] <slacker_nl> dupondje: then.. ubuntu-devel
[23:10] <dupondje> slacker_nl: did that :) they asked me to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsor
[23:10] <dupondje> so I did that :)
[23:10] <slacker_nl> dupondje: motu should be able to help you figure out who to subscribe to implement the diff
[23:10] <kaddi> hi, i have a karmic installation, which was running great now upon boot it only says "filesystem check failed. A maintenance shell will now be started. [...] acer-wmi: no or unsupported wmi interface unable to load. " Any ideas on how to fix that?
[23:10] <ADmiral> dupondje: I still have an /etc/xorg.conf. I've now changed Driver	"nvidia"  to Driver	"nv" and I'm about to reboot. If that doesn't help, I'll move the .conf to a backup location. Is that good?
[23:10] <slacker_nl> dupondje: ahh, you did your job, now sit back, grab a beer and wait :)
[23:11] <dupondje> ADmiral: try moving it, it should work. No xorg.conf here
[23:11] <dupondje> slacker_nl: lets pray :D
[23:11] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: no need to reboot
[23:11] <NRVate> how would acer-wmi be related to a failed FSCK?
[23:11]  * NRVate would guess the acer-wmi error is not at all relevant to the failed FSCK
[23:11] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: just try to start gdm/kdm whatever
[23:11] <kaddi> NRVate: so i should just run fsck?
[23:11] <dupondje> NRVate: not? what device is giving errors ?
[23:11] <ADmiral> slacker_nl: I still need to reboot because the install where I changed the .conf is the one that won't boot and I'm on an old Gutsy :) cya in a few minutes
[23:11] <connex> Hi, I have issues with mpd file permissions.
[23:11] <dupondje> err kaddi  :p
[23:11] <BluesKaj> kaddi run sudo apt-get update at the tty prompt, it should download the fix for that prob, then reboot
[23:12] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: you're running gutsy?
[23:12] <dupondje> gutsy kernel prolly :p
[23:12] <NRVate> I would assume if you fix your filesystem it'd boot.
[23:12] <JesperHansen> yay, the daily netbook image works
[23:12] <NRVate> does the acer-wmi code have _anything_ to do with the storage subsystem?
[23:12] <dupondje> JesperHansen: it should, we are few days left for final :)
[23:13] <JesperHansen> dupondje, the beta didn't work, but I am guessing thats weeks old by now
[23:13] <connex> I can't access any file on my system with the mpd user
[23:13] <dupondje> JesperHansen: beta is like 3 weeks old or so
[23:13] <dupondje> lotsa changed since then
[23:13] <slacker_nl> btw, i've been having some weird messages at boot, unable to mount partions x y and z hit esc to enter some kind of shell, laptop boots and all, with everything mounted
[23:13] <dupondje> surely the installation process
[23:14] <JesperHansen> and the netbook 9.10 stuffs is way nicer than 9.04 netbook version
[23:14] <dupondje> slacker_nl: whats in your fstab ?
[23:15] <slacker_nl> dupondje: very basic
[23:15] <JesperHansen> First of: Nice on the UXA intel acceleration. EXA sucked hard.
[23:15] <slacker_nl> lemme pb it for ya
[23:15] <Xgates> hey anyone good with wine? I need to install IE to use instead of firefox and I had it installed before with IE7, but it wasn't running right, so I uninstalled it and wine and cleaned out everything related to wine, did a 'locate' in the system
[23:15] <Xgates>  Now I try to install IE6 and it says the setup has detected a newer version of IE installed and can't continue.
[23:15] <Xgates> where would it be seeing this? because I cleaned everything out
[23:16] <dupondje> Xgates: IE ? HELLO ! Go back to windows ? ;)
[23:16] <dupondje> who needs IE ;)
[23:16] <slacker_nl> dupondje: http://pb.opperschaap.net/74
[23:16] <dupondje> btw, you could try wiping /home/<user>/.wine?
[23:16] <slacker_nl> dupondje: aka $HOME/.wine :)
[23:17] <dupondje> ah well ;)
[23:17] <dupondje> slacker_nl: don't see anything wrong :s
[23:17] <dupondje> its strange
[23:17] <slacker_nl> dupondje: neither do i
[23:17] <slacker_nl> but i don't get any messages in dmesg daemon
[23:18] <dupondje> weird
[23:18] <dupondje> anyway
[23:18] <dupondje> i'm going to sleep
[23:18] <dupondje> nite
[23:18] <kaddi> sorry guys, false alarm. bios died on me yesterday. The date was set back 1988 (which I knew, but completely slipped my mind just now). I reset the date and it's now booting and running fsck
[23:19] <JesperHansen> And the space wasting of the netbook 9.04 version is gone in 9.10! yay!
[23:19] <hetauma> is any1 having problems installing addons on firefox? got a clean install of 9.10 and can't add any addon on firefox. it takes ages and then it gives http://pastebin.com/m27643deb
[23:20] <kaddi> have you tried downloading the file first and installing it locally?
[23:20] <JesperHansen> hetauma, seems like you got a very bad mirror?
[23:21] <hetauma> JesperHansen, it happens on every add-on I would try
[23:22] <kaddi> hetauma: have you tried to download and save the file on your PC, before installing it?
[23:22] <hetauma> kaddi, checking this now
[23:22] <JesperHansen> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Unable_to_install_themes_or_extensions_-_Firefox#Download_Error_-228
[23:22] <JesperHansen> hetauma, ^
[23:26] <kaddi> is there an easy command to list all installed kernels, so I know which ones I want to remove? :p
[23:27] <ADmiral> So I've changed my xorg config to use the free nv driver and now Karmic boots just fine! Only one problem remains: There was an error loading some gnome applet called "UserFastSwitch" or something. I got the option to delete it from the configuration and I did. How should I get it back and working?
[23:27] <webm0nk3y> how can i resintall my HP printers that dissapeared with karmic?
[23:28] <foxy_mefisto> kaddi: dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[23:28] <kaddi> thanks :)
[23:31] <JesperHansen> webm0nk3y, if its plug-n-play usb printer, then just plug it in and you're good to print
[23:35] <webm0nk3y> JesperHansen, thanks...it's a network printer but i discovered hp-setup
[23:36] <ha1331> has someone else experienced flash plugin "disapearing". By disapearing I mean that it kind of stops working properly. Only white box appears, no content, right click on mouse does nothing?
[23:36] <ha1331> (firefox)
[23:36] <ha1331> it worked fine earlier today
[23:37] <kaddi> when you type "sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.31-5*" does it try to purge all kernels?
[23:38] <kaddi> I just hit that command and it tried to remove everything includeing the latest kernel, which is kinda not what I wanted or expected
[23:39] <qos> hey guys. where can i get older kernels? i am searching 2.6.31-12 for karmic ...
[23:40] <kaddi> subversion perhaps?
[23:40] <qos> no packages?
[23:40] <stpere> what should I include in a bug report about upstart^
[23:40] <stpere> ?*
[23:40] <stpere> my system never close cleanly
[23:40] <mary_> I just upgraded with update-manager -d and if I boot with the splash screen I get a blinking screen and hard drive activity in sync with the blinks and if I boot without splash it dumps me to a tty login and the screen blinks and hard drive activity is the same (looks like it's under heavy load)
[23:40] <stpere> I have to hold power button 4 seconds
[23:41] <qos> mary_, whats about keyboard control?
[23:42] <qos> mary_, behaves normal? or do you have problems while typing?
[23:42]  * mary_ checks
[23:43] <mary_> qos, problems typing
[23:44] <qos> mary_, nvidia gpu?
[23:44] <mary_> qos, yes
[23:44] <GodfatherofEire> How does one change the IP config from the command line?
[23:44] <qos> mary_, seems that we have the same problem ;)
[23:45] <mary_> qos, you still have this problem?
[23:45] <mary_> nvidia gtx 260
[23:45] <OmnipotentEntity> Hello all, after upgrading my sound no longer works.  Any ideas?  00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[23:45] <qos> mary_, currently there are 2 things to try. a newer nvidia driver ... ~1.90 or an older kernel ~2.6.31-12
[23:46] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, wrong channel  but here it is anyway. second result in google: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859179.html
[23:46] <mary_> qos, have you tried newer nvidia driver?
[23:47] <qos> mary_, no ... but i guess i will try this next
[23:47] <GodfatherofEire> mary_ wasnt quite sure if anything mighta changed in 9.10 from 9.04
[23:48] <arand> man, I've been using the terminal too much, I just wrote "tcl --help" into the search bar when looking for the wikipedia entry >_<
[23:48] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, I'm not sure. if that was your question then you should ask that.
[23:48] <kaddi> arand: lol
[23:48] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, is this the newest? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859179.html
[23:49] <GodfatherofEire> mary_, I asked because I'm having trouble configuring the IP via Network config
[23:49] <mary_> oops wrong person
[23:49] <mary_> qos, is this the newest? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/190.32/
[23:49] <Jordan_U> GodfatherofEire: What trouble specifically?
[23:49] <qos> mary_, yes. but you should use an ppa instead of compiling it on your own...
[23:50] <Jordan_U> !envy | mary_
[23:50] <qos> mary_, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[23:50] <qos> mary_, its there, already compiled and packed
[23:50] <GodfatherofEire> Jordan_U, it doesnt allow me to config static IPs, just resets after I "save" the settings
[23:51] <digmore> hi, could someone look at this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1296090&highlight=firefox+chromium
[23:52] <qos> mary_, so ... installed. i give it a try ... need to restart for that
[23:52] <Jordan_U> digmore: Are you using a proxy?
[23:52] <mary_> qos, apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-190 ?
[23:53] <digmore> Jordan_U: Not at home. At uni, I am not sure, but I can check
[23:54] <Jordan_U> digmore: Can you pastebin the output of "tracepath google.com" ?
[23:54] <digmore> Jordan_U: I added some extra in my post
[23:55] <mary_> qos, what's the verdict?
[23:56] <digmore> Jordan_U, I am at uni right now. I assume you need me to do "tracepath google.com" at home?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> digmore: Yes
[23:57] <Jordan_U> digmore: Also the output of "route -n"
[23:57] <qos> mary_, hmm ... that didn't work ... i guess i am searching for a new kernel
[23:58] <mary_> qos, I'll try it. If that doesn't work I'll build it myself while you try the kernel