[00:00] if I alt tab and start going through window [00:00] then I shift control alt tab, it goes backward [00:01] so I changed /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/prev_all_key [00:01] hrm, that doesn't happen here [00:02] to tab and it works now [00:02] oh yeah, did the ubuntu2 package fix your focus issues? [00:02] gege [00:03] ok, so basically it looks like prev_key and prev_all key are reversed in gconf [00:03] yes, I confirmed that the focus issue is fixed [00:03] thanks a million for that [00:03] eh, I just pointed upstream to the area where the problem was [00:04] well, it was a great service the users [00:04] thanks [00:04] and I'm happy to have my alt-shift-tab back as well :) [00:05] so in summary, I change prev_all_key to alt-shift-tab, and prev_key to alt-shift-control-tab ... and it works now [00:05] I just edited it in gconf-editor [00:06] rickspencer3: and does it switch between windows on all workspaces? [00:06] yes [00:06] so that's not right [00:06] they are switched then [00:07] err, aren't [00:07] oops [00:07] actually not [00:07] prev_all_key set to shift-alt-tab doesn't switch between windows on all workspaces? [00:07] dang it [00:08] * Amaranth is confused now [00:08] they act differently depending on whether that little navigation window is up [00:08] let me put it in the bug report [00:08] yeah, staticswitcher seems broken in general except for alt-tab [00:08] * Amaranth always uses scale or docky so never noticed [00:09] I think the gconf keys are reversed in staticswitcher [00:09] so, my gconf keys are set as above [00:10] prev_all_key = shift-alt-tab, prev_key = control-shift-alt-tab [00:11] case 1: shift-alt-tab - navigate all windows across all desktops backwards (as expected) [00:11] compiz has a silly system for handling switchers so I'm never surprised to hear of problems [00:11] gtk-window-decorator draws the switcher but compiz controls how it draws it [00:11] all so compiz can avoid depending on cairo, gtk, glib, etc [00:12] case 2: alt-tab alt-tab navigate two windows on current desktop as expected, shift-alt-tab goes back one, NOT EXPECTED because shift-alt-tab is supposed to be *all* [00:13] I think it is probably a simple copy and past error in the code somewhere [00:13] That's debatable, actually [00:13] what's debatable? [00:13] if pressing shift when the switcher is already visible should apply to windows on all workspaces at that point [00:14] we'd have to cancel the current switcher session and start over to handle that [00:14] well, in any case .... what doesn't work is using the prev_key binding when that little window is invoked with the next_key binding [00:14] right, I would expect what I did to *not* work [00:15] except that after resetting my compiz settings shift-alt-tab works fine for prev_key when the switcher window is up [00:15] I would expect doing next_key, next_key, prev_all_key to *not* work [00:15] it didn't until I reset my settings though [00:15] rickspencer3: I would expect it to work like it does now [00:15] Best effort [00:15] wtf [00:15] I just switched the bindings back and it works now! [00:16] Did it all start working after you reset your settings too? [00:16] haha [00:16] * rickspencer3 gives up [00:16] What we really need to know is 1) Did this work correctly in 9.04? and 2) Does it work if you upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10? [00:16] is there a bug # for a karmic bug? [00:17] If something in karmic development caused it I'm not too concerned, really [00:17] I am sure it did work, otherwise this wouldn't be so harded coded into my muscle memory [00:17] So we just need to answer #2 [00:17] yeah, it might work fine on a clean install [00:18] or it might be idosyncratic to some update that I did a few days ago, etc... [00:18] Oh I'm sure it'll work on a clean install but the upgrade case is what I'm worried about [00:18] Right, if upgrades through karmic caused it but it works fine if you upgrade from 9.04 now I'm not going to worry [00:18] exactly [00:18] there's a work around in any case, so I'm not too worried [00:19] it feels so good to have my shift-alt-tab back [00:19] :) [00:19] thanks Amaranth ;) [00:19] bug 407795 is the only one I can find [00:19] Launchpad bug 407795 in compiz "compiz switchers have no working shift-alt-tab" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407795 [00:20] in 10 minutes when it finally appears in my browser I can see if it applies to karmic [00:21] that report seems to be on Jaunty [00:22] robert_ancell, apparantly there is some totem bug with playing DVDs? [00:23] it was mentioned in the meeting this morning, but I'm not seeing the bug on the targeted list :( [00:23] rickspencer3, I don't know of it, do you have the #? [00:23] rickspencer3: seb128 mentioned it in -devel. [00:23] sadly, no [00:23] I am looking for it now [00:24] bug #435968 [00:24] Launchpad bug 435968 in libdvdnav "vlc assert failure: vlc: /build/buildd/libdvdnav-4.1.3/src/vm/vm.c:1485: process_command: Assertion `0' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435968 [00:24] rickspencer3: Is that the one you are thinking of? [00:24] rickspencer3 - bug 456646 is the one that seb128 mentioned [00:24] Launchpad bug 456646 in gstreamer0.10 "dvd are not playing at normal speed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456646 [00:25] thanks chrisccoulson [00:25] why is this low? [00:25] is it infrequent in occurrence? seems rather serious [00:25] i'm not sure, feel free to adjust it as appropriate [00:25] will do [00:25] i havent tried dvd playback here yet [00:26] * rickspencer3 reads upstream bug [00:27] * rickspencer3 puts Monty Python on the Holy Grail into DVD slot [00:27] heh [00:46] rickspencer3, seb128 also mentioned that many people can't use totem at all to playback DVDs... the UI just hangs. It's unclear if there's a bug # though [00:47] awe: Could it be the bug I posted earlier? [00:47] you mean 456646? [00:48] awe: bug #435968. Its against vlc, but users in teh bug report issues with totem as well. [00:48] Launchpad bug 435968 in libdvdnav "vlc assert failure: vlc: /build/buildd/libdvdnav-4.1.3/src/vm/vm.c:1485: process_command: Assertion `0' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435968 [00:49] hmm, the description n mentions "open disc", whereas what I saw this morning was that totem hangs immediately on startup.. and then eventually throws up an error dialog [00:50] so no, don't think it's the same issue [00:50] ok [01:03] TheMuso, can you repro this? [01:04] awe .. mplayer works perfectly, but totem can't really play it for me [01:04] rickspencer3: Haven't tried either myself. [01:05] rickspencer3, did you do the dcss install routine? [01:06] awe, yes [01:06] hmmm... [01:06] so now mplayer plays it perfectly, but Totem sort of starts, then stops, then tries some more, etc... [01:07] well, mplayer cheats [01:07] oh? [01:07] i was under the assumption that the mplayer gang don't really play fair with respect to licensing & honoring IP [01:07] ah [01:08] which is why it usually works [01:08] well, it doesn't play without decssinstalled [01:08] but I don't think it uses gstreamer [01:08] correct [01:08] doesn't sound like a fun bug to chase... [01:08] so I figure it's in the gstreamer libraries [01:09] especially since robert_ancell can't repro it :( [01:09] or PA... [01:09] ...just kidding [01:09] robert_ancell, do you have a region encoded DVD? [01:09] lol [01:13] hat was... weird. Just had a lockup running the generic kernel. [01:13] Couldn't even get to a VT. [01:13] Had one today and yesterday, although yesterday was with the RT kernel, so I put it down to being that. [01:14] rickspencer3, yes, region 4 [01:16] ok, I have to go [01:16] TheMuso, where would I find gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 in the archive? [01:16] sorry [01:17] i'm looking in pool/main/g/gst-fluendo-mp3 but doesn't exist [01:17] rickspencer3, cya [01:17] robert_ancell, I'll check back online in an hour or two and see if there is something you want me to try [01:17] (or at least I'll try to ;) ) [01:17] robert_ancell: Really don't know, I saw that get uploaded last night, it may still be in binary new. [01:17] TheMuso, I actually want to track down the old version, any easy way of doing that? [01:18] afaik no [01:18] try its launchpad page [01:18] TheMuso, ah, thanks [04:12] robert_ancell, hi [04:12] rickspencer3, hey [04:12] I saw you were able to repro the totem bug [04:12] need me to test anything? [04:12] rickspencer3, yeah it seems to come and go. I can't pinpoint any particular thing to trigger it. Changing the plugins didn't do anything, I thought it might be pulse for a while [04:13] rickspencer3, so nothing you can try [04:13] hmmm [04:13] a good mystery [04:13] do we have a "last known good"? [04:13] well, you can try "gst-launch playbin uri=dvd:" and "gst-launch playbin2 uri=dvd:" the latter seems to be worse than the former. [04:14] I don't know of one, I haven't played a DVD for a long time [04:14] It's really odd that it doesn't ever occur on the titles but only on the content video [04:15] do you think it worked in yesterday's build? [04:16] I guess we could just start loading daily builds in VMs until we figure out when it broke [04:16] robert_ancell, I got the same error you did [04:16] I don't know, do you have some daily builds lying around? [04:17] rickspencer3, for both tests? [04:17] well, warning I guess [04:17] hmm [04:18] yes [04:18] libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!! [04:18] ^[[CWARNING: from element /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:vbin/GstAutoVideoSink:videosink/GstXvImageSink:videosink-actual-sink-xvimage: A lot of buffers are being dropped. [04:18] Additional debug info: [04:18] gstbasesink.c(2572): gst_base_sink_is_too_late (): /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:vbin/GstAutoVideoSink:videosink/GstXvImageSink:videosink-actual-sink-xvimage: [04:18] There may be a timestamping problem, or this computer is too slow. [04:36] robert_ancell did you check out totem-gstreamer changes on October 13? [04:37] "fix dvd parsing issues ..." [04:37] * rickspencer3 grasps at straws [04:38] dammit, nevermind [04:46] rickspencer3, it could have occurred in totem 2.27 because then it changed from playbin to playbin2. However there seems to be an underlying problem as I get the problem occasionally using playbin === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [04:54] robert_ancell, I *always* get it with playbin [04:55] is there another player that uses gstreamer but isn't totem? [04:57] There are plenty of packages that use gstreamer, but none that I can see there that I know are players. === halfline_ is now known as halfline [04:58] rythmbox [04:58] Is a music player [04:59] I think rickspencer3 is looking for a gstreamer based DVD player. [04:59] lifeless, right, good point, but we meant for playing DVDs [05:00] mplayer and VLC both work quite fine [05:00] * rickspencer3 needs to sleep [05:01] robert_ancell thanks for poking at this, I hope you get this nut cracked :) [05:01] I'd ask thaytan [05:03] thanks lifeless sounds like a good lead [05:03] g'night all === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [06:52] robert_ancell: thanks :) [06:52] good morning o/ [06:52] didrocks, hey [06:53] you finally beat pitti :) [06:56] heh [07:55] Good morning [07:56] hi pitti [08:01] hey pitti :) === cdE|Woozy_ is now known as cdE|Woozy [08:24] good morning desktopers [09:16] hi [09:24] hey asac [09:24] hey chrisccoulson1 [09:37] seb128: that new pulse bug, problem is that playback simply stops at some point, right? [09:37] seb128: i had that with the old pulse plugin too [09:38] slomo, I don't know, I've not asked details out of what is written in the bug [09:38] slomo, the bug submitter do state that downgrading fixes the issue though [09:40] slomo, "Yes. Totem does this too. You can easily reproduce this, just drag an ogg and an mp3 file into the playlist pane and hit play. Totem will pause in "Playing" state once it switches to the mp3." [09:41] seb128: yes, i saw that... well, hadess reported this too, i'll take a look [09:42] slomo, did you try dvd playing btw? [09:43] slomo, thanks [09:43] seb128: no, i was very busy with university stuff... in 20 minutes i'll start gstreamer work again :) [09:43] ok thanks [10:00] seb128: for the new pulseaudio bug, the problematic commit was identified now [10:02] slomo, that was quick! [10:02] slomo, so you get the issue too? [10:03] seb128: didn't try yet, but hadess and one of the PA developers gets it [10:03] ok [10:10] mac_v: I think I have a fix for bug #355355 - I'm uploading into my ppa now [10:10] Launchpad bug 355355 in update-manager "Update Manager causes high Xorg CPU usage when checking for updates" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355355 [10:25] mvo, software-center is confusing if you don't have universe on [10:26] it lists ton of things but you wonder the purpose since you can't do anything about those [10:27] mvo: cool, will test it out. :) [10:29] seb128: right, agreed. do you test the live-cd currently? [10:29] mvo, yes [10:33] seb128: sorry for that, its a known regression and needs to be tackled in lucid (along with lots of other stuff) [10:34] mvo, nothing to be sorry about I was just pointing it [10:34] does it make sense to list things that can't be installed? [10:34] shouldn't those simply not be in the list? [10:35] good question, for some stuff it does IMO, e.g. we can show that we have acroread but that its not available on amd64 (just a example) so that people know it there for some people [10:35] for others it makes much less sense (all of universe) [10:35] if there is no way to easily enable universe [10:36] I'm not sure I agree that it's nice to show to people that acroread is there and they can't get it ;-) [10:36] I expect most people just want to see what they can get [10:36] not all the nice things they can't get for whatever reason, like wrong architectures [10:37] "you have not been a nice user, not acroread for you ahahah, signed mvo" ;-) [10:37] *pfff* [10:37] * seb128 hugs mvo [10:37] :) [10:38] hum [10:38] true, we added it because there was confusion IIRC about annoucements that we have certain stuff in the partner repo - but then it was only i386 and amd64 user reported bugs [10:38] "Downloading" not translated! [10:38] oh [10:38] that comes probably from aptdaemon? [10:38] maybe not in the langpack? [10:39] indeed [10:39] doh [10:39] 105 untranslated strings in french... [10:39] is there a way to stop gpm from raising my screen brightness whenever it detects that i'm not idle? [10:40] I'm wondering how many translation team know about it [10:40] i manually stick it to 0, but it keeps raising it back to 90. [10:40] the livecd has only 2 translations for it [10:40] this is getting quite annoyin [10:40] hyperair, go to the preferences dialog? [10:41] seb128: i've told it to stop dimming my screen. [10:41] there is 2 check boxes for backlight and screen [10:41] ok, so open a GNOME bug? [10:41] "reduce backlight brightness [10:41] "dim display when idle" [10:41] which one? [10:41] I don't know [10:41] meh =\ [10:42] I just hate how g-p-m handle backlight and screen dimming since hardy [10:43] hmm, seb128, where does the "Downloading" string you are mentioning appear? It might make sense that I point translators to it if it's very visible, they've got time until tomorrow if the translation goes into the langpacks [10:43] dpm, in software-center when installing something [10:43] it displays a download bar [10:43] and write "Downloading" under it [10:44] there is also "Loading softwares list" [10:44] and "Applying changes" [10:45] dpm: hm, aptdaemon seems to be not part of a language-pack [10:45] dpm: what needs to be done to get it in there? [10:45] mvo, it is [10:45] is that not tracked automatically? [10:45] oh? [10:46] mvo, it's in 2 langpacks on the current iso [10:46] it's just that probably no translation team knows about it [10:46] so it didn't get translated [10:46] it's hard to know that you have to translate system components for them I guess [10:46] the launchpad interface doesn't make obvious to spot those [10:47] mvo, aptdaemon is part of the language packs [10:48] mvo, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/aptdaemon/+pots/aptdaemon [10:49] mvo, see, it's very few locales [10:49] hm, I'm confused - my system is updated, language-pack-gnome-de is installed yet its not in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/ - are not all of them updated yet? or am I just overlooking something? [10:50] mvo, there is no german on this webpage [10:50] mvo, it's not translated in german? [10:50] aha, indeed [10:50] a shame [10:50] sorry for the noise [10:51] mvo, np, I'll point translators to it [10:51] dpm, thanks [10:51] mvo, in addition to the LP page seb128 is pointing out, we've got a "include translations in language packs" checkbox in the template admin page. We normally check it, unless it is an exception. [10:51] dpm: thanks [10:52] mvo, and if anyone spots something which is not in langpacks but it should (or the other way round), you can just ping ArneGoetje or myself (or send an e-mail to the ubuntu-translations-coordinators@ list) [10:53] dpm, is there any work being done to make easier to know for translators what they need to work on? [10:53] I expect that one has not been translated because that's not a software and people didn't know it was to translate [10:56] hum [10:56] none of the language-selector downloading screen strings are translated [10:57] mvo, ArneGoetje: ^ known issue? [10:57] it's weird it seems to be a synaptic dialog [10:57] those should be synaptic [10:57] that is indeed odd [10:57] seb128, from the LP Translations team side there will be no changes to the templates list apart from in the filters (to be able to see untranslated strings across templates, which will be quite useful) and perhaps showing more translations per page. An improvement already is the personal translators dashboard, where people can see translations which might need their attention. From the community side there is an ongoing effort to better prioritise th [10:57] e list of templates, so that the highest priority templates appear first on the list (this functionality has been working for a while, but we are working on setting the bulk of priorities) [10:58] dpm, ok, thanks [10:59] mvo, it's translated in synaptic itself though [10:59] mvo, so it's probably an issue on how language-selector call it or something [11:00] * mvo looks [11:02] mvo, the /proc/pid/env has [11:02] LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 [11:02] LANGUAGE=en_US [11:02] env -> environ [11:02] pid being the pid of the running synaptic [11:04] chrisccoulson, your 3g doesn't seem really stable today [11:05] seb128 - it's not being particularly good today for some reason [11:05] i might have to fall back to company network instead ;) [11:09] i give up with the 3G connection for today! [11:11] seb128: I check after lunch [11:12] mvo, ok, enjoy [11:15] chrisccoulson: Have you got a usb to usb connector cable? If so try using that. I found it helped in lower signal areas [11:16] mvo, a couple of questions for when you come back: is aptdaemon's upstream Ubuntu? and Synaptic? I'm just asking to let translators know whether they can translate directly in LP or should also take care of forwarding translations somewhere else. [11:19] davmor2 - it's using USB already. the issue is probably that there is too much noisy equipment on my desk which interferes with either the 3G signal or corrupts the USB [11:22] chrisccoulson: I know it's usb but for some reason I got a stronger signal with with the cable attached to the dongle :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:12] dpm: aptdaemon has a different upstream, but its iirc a registered LP project. synaptic I'm upstream for, but I never got around to properly create a LP page for it. I should fix that === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:29] mvo, slomo: gnome-codec-install doesn't do an ideal job on karmic [12:29] to play mp3 it installs -ffmpeg and fluendo-mp3 too which are not required [12:30] and fluendo-mp3 will be used before standard mpeg decoder no? [12:48] gra [12:49] mvo, your fix for gst-fluendo is not welcome [12:49] mvo, we don't want it in this list if it's checked by default [12:49] seb128: why not, does it break anything? [12:49] mvo, yes [12:49] oh? [12:50] mvo, see what I wrote before, g-c-i install 3 decoders for the same thing [12:50] and fluendo will take over the universe version [12:50] and it's a lot less tested and usually buggier [12:50] and it works less well than the universe version? [12:50] yes [12:50] it's less tested at least we never installed it [12:50] I would have thought its the better one coming from fluendo etc [12:50] and we got quite some bugs from people who broke mp3 reading by having it installed [12:51] well maybe they fixed it and it's all good [12:51] but I would not change that the day before rc and trust it to work better without testing [12:51] it has bitten quite some users in the past who installed it [12:52] hmmmmm [12:52] so the easiest fix is to break it again I guess [12:53] it was fixed becaus eof bug #419321 [12:53] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/419321) [12:53] right, I was just looking at the bugs, there is none open on the package [12:53] let's wait for slomo to be around again [12:54] I will ask what he thinks [12:54] but I'm not comfortable doing that change now [12:54] ok [12:54] """Could be really good add fluendo-mp3 to this list, due to it's the only one legally licenced.""" [12:55] (from the report) [12:55] right [12:55] I agree it's good to add there [12:55] but yeah, lets see what slomo thinks [12:55] timming was bad [12:55] thats true [12:55] but I would not expect g-c-i to install several options [12:55] it should tick one by default only [13:34] mvo, ok, thanks for the info re: aptdaemon and synaptic [13:57] ArneGoetje: do you have a list of _all_ lang_country codes we have langpacks for? [13:57] dpm: ? [13:58] asac, apt-cache search language pack | awk | sed...? [14:00] asac, did a recent change in firefox start dynamically adding bookmarks and changing them from time to time? [14:00] like news stuff? [14:00] seb128: well ... wasnt sure if all those are known to be empty/complete/semi-complete [14:00] kenvandine: me? [14:00] kenvandine: feels like only bindwood would cause that ;) [14:00] hehe [14:00] well, it is killing bindwood [14:00] spamming it [14:00] i think [14:00] hmm [14:01] kenvandine: maybe its an infinite loop thing? [14:01] 'World on a stage'","value":"news.bbc.co.uk/go [14:01] that kind of stuff [14:01] and they are in my toolbar [14:01] like: bindwood changes bookmarks ... gets back "boomark-changed" ,,, modifies etc. [14:01] maybe [14:01] but i am wondering what creates these [14:01] they aren't in my bookmarks.html [14:01] firefox doesnt touch your bookmarks afaik [14:02] they are all bbc.co.uk [14:02] humm [14:02] well.. i am pretty sure firefox doenst touch them [14:02] firefox copies the default bookmarks on first start in your profile [14:02] and doesnt change them afterwards [14:02] i have 122 of them and they aren't in bookmarks.html [14:02] thats why we cannot change bookmarks for users a-posterioir [14:02] i see [14:02] kenvandine: live bookmarks? [14:02] yeah [14:02] looks like it [14:02] * kenvandine has never used those [14:02] firefox has bbc as the default live bookmark [14:03] maybe bindwood cannot deal with them :/ [14:03] oh... was that turned off before? [14:03] kenvandine: no. firefox always had a bbc folder in the toolbar by default [14:03] thats a live bookmark (aka rss feed) [14:03] humm... i never did... i always had like 2 in the toolbar [14:03] oh... wait [14:04] kenvandine: the default is called "Latest headlines" [14:04] so it was like a single entry right that you could expand? [14:04] its not called "BBC" ... thogh its bbc [14:04] * kenvandine wonders if bindwood syncs that then makes it permanent [14:04] probably [14:04] sigh [14:04] i would think if you go through bookmarks on a chrome level [14:04] they will look like normal bookmarks [14:04] just change often [14:04] i think it might have had a single entry before and i never paid attention [14:05] now syncing is suddenly working and it is going nuts :) [14:05] kenvandine: not sure what you mean by single entry .... maybe start with a fresh profile and without bindwood. the "Latest headlines" thing on the toolbar there is an rss feed [14:05] firefox takes like 10m to start and during startup there are tons of new bookmarks added to bindwood [14:06] you can hit "reload" etc. [14:06] to auto get latest [14:06]