=== imlad is now known as imlad|away === fader_ is now known as fader|away === kirkland` is now known as kirkland === imlad|away is now known as imlad === porthose is now known as porthose|afk === imlad is now known as imlad|away === porthose|afk is now known as porthose === jamalta_ is now known as jamalta === fader|away is now known as fader_ === jono_ is now known as jono === imlad|away is now known as imlad === fader_ is now known as fader|away === marjomercado is now known as marjo === imlad is now known as imlad|away [17:58] hello folks [17:58] heelo [17:58] hey [17:58] hi [17:58] * marjo waves [17:58] meh I can't be bother to correct it [17:58] hi [18:00] #startmeeting QA Team Meeting [18:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is marjo. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] Hi folks! Thanks for joining us today. [18:00] Agenda for today's meeting [18:00] # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:00] # Bugday highlights -- pedro [18:00] # RC Testing -- ara [18:00] hey [18:01] Does anybody want to add anything to the agenda? [18:01] [TOPIC] SRU Testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:01] New Topic: SRU Testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:01] SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-10-14): [18:01] * Jaunty: no new packages in -proposed and 2 pushed to -updates (tzdata, zsync) [18:01] * Intrepid: 2 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, smart) and 1 pushed to -updates (tzdata) [18:01] * Hardy: no new packages in -proposed and 3 packages pushed to -updates (apt-cacher, tzdata, vblade) [18:01] * Dapper: no new packages in -proposed and 1 package pushed to -updates (langpack-locales) [18:02] Thanks to Paul Elliott, Dave Morley, and Wolfgang Kufner for testing fixes this week. [18:02] That's all I have on SRUs. [18:02] [TOPIC] Bugday Highlights -- pedro === imlad|away is now known as imlad [18:02] New Topic: Bugday Highlights -- pedro [18:03] Last Thursday we ran a bug day for the Server Team [18:03] Thanks sbeattie! [18:03] it was a general bug day, so we created bug lists based on all the packages they're currently tracking [18:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091014 [18:04] it turned out to be really cool, around 150 bugs were triaged [18:04] pedro: nice work! [18:04] so thanks a lot to zul and ttx for helping us that day and for answering the questions the community had [18:05] and also thanks to kamus and sbarjola for their participation [18:05] I'm not planning to run a bug day for this week, since I'd like to put some more efforts into iso testing instead :-) [18:06] that's all from here [18:07] pedro: nice segue for our next topic; thx [18:07] my pleasure :-) [18:07] [TOPIC] RC Testing (ara) [18:07] New Topic: RC Testing (ara) [18:07] As you all know, tomorrow we are releasing Karmic Release Candidate [18:08] it is the last milestone before the final release [18:08] and we all have to try to make our best to complete all the test cases [18:08] as usual, these two links will tell you what needs to be done: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress [18:08] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested [18:08] LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested [18:09] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress [18:09] LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress [18:10] I am having an issue with Dell mini9 and OEM setups [18:10] http://launchpad.net/bugs/456990 [18:10] LINK received: http://launchpad.net/bugs/456990 [18:10] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/456990) [18:10] but I cannot reproduce it outside the mini9 [18:10] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/456990) [18:10] does anyone one owns a netbook? [18:11] not me [18:11] mmm, I see it is fixed now === playya__ is now known as playya [18:11] it was the usb creator, apparently [18:12] all the issues that prevented installation seem isolated [18:12] that's good news [18:13] but we need to cover all the rest [18:13] ara: anything else? [18:13] marjo, no, that's it [18:13] Folks: Please help us achieve 100% test coverage on RC! [18:14] At Beta, we hit 98%, oh so close [18:15] I have another small topic [18:15] ara go [18:15] marjo: we got 100% it's just the last 2 test got done the next day ;) [18:16] One community member, Cesar Muñoz, have offered to update the QATeam wiki with meeting logs and summary [18:16] He is starting this week [18:17] davmor2: i'll take your 100%! [18:17] ara: he just did last week's meeting; thanks Cesar! [18:17] awesome! [18:17] \o/ [18:17] Nice one dude [18:18] thanks Cesar Munoz! [18:18] ara: anything else? [18:19] marjo, no, that's it [18:19] ara thx! [18:19] folks: anything else from anyone? [18:20] nope [18:20] karmic quality is looking very good [18:20] i propose we adjourn, so we can continue testing. [18:20] going once [18:20] twice [18:21] thanks folks! see you next time [18:21] #endmeeting [18:21] Meeting finished at 12:21. === maxb_ is now known as maxb [19:00] so, hi everyone [19:00] hi [19:00] #startmeeting [19:00] Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is dpm. [19:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:00] welcome everyone to this Ubuntu Translations meeting tonight [19:00] first things first, let's see who' here? [19:00] o/ [19:01] hiya adiroiban, hey Mirv [19:01] o/ [19:01] hi, here [19:01] :D [19:01] hi joskulj! [19:01] hi everyone [19:02] me [19:02] hi Ursinha! [19:02] hi dpm :) [19:03] let's wait for a minute if there is anyone else turning up, and then we can start [19:04] ok, let's get started, then [19:05] so, we've got more people coming, welcome markjones [19:05] As you know, the main point is discussing possible topics for translations sessions for the UDS -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2009-10-21 [19:05] dpm: do you know how many slots do we have for this UDS? [19:06] adiroiban, I don't know it yet [19:06] anyway, I see people have been adding topic suggestions already, so thanks a lot for the suggestions [19:07] I think we can just start from that list, and people can comment on them [19:07] how does that sound? [19:08] sounds fine [19:08] also feel free to propose ideas as we go along [19:08] the idea is to have a good collection of topics to pick up [19:09] and then decide which ones would be interesting for UDS. [19:09] adiroiban, you've got the first topic on the list, would youlike to start with a short intro on that one? [19:10] yep [19:10] but I think the Wiki description is complete [19:10] :) [19:11] just for the benefit of the presents and for the logs, then :) [19:11] I would like a talk with Rosetta admin to see if someone can implement that feature [19:11] now that Rosetta is opensource maybe we can have a blueprint for that [19:12] so you are talking about message sharing between LP-hosted projects and distro packages [19:12] this feature will be useful for projects like ubiquity-slideshow, UNR, ubuntu-start-page [19:12] yes [19:13] and any non-ubuntu-specific ones as well potentially, like transmission. maybe optional. [19:13] yes [19:13] I feel it's a good idea, as Rosetta already offers suggestions for translations. [19:13] since we already have message sharing between Ubuntu releases [19:14] and like markjones says, we have suggestions [19:14] though that needs a bit of care, and/or advocating - messages from "Open" permission projects shouldn't go to Ubuntu, and way too many LP projects have the permissions set like that instead of LP Translators / Structured [19:14] I think it would definitely be an interesting feature, and something the LP translations team have thought about. It's only finding the resources to implement that :) [19:14] Mirv: yep [19:15] ok. The second one should be a roundtable for the Ubuntu Translation Project [19:16] The LP translations team is going to be focusing on upstream integration in the next months (see also https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg01361.html), so I think this feature might be out of focus for them^ [19:16] although I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss it [19:16] and guide anyone who'd like to take the step to implement it [19:16] what do you say, Ursinha? [19:17] anyway, sorry we can move along to your second topic, just commenting on it [19:17] I was thinking this features is not that complicated to implement, and maybe we can find some resources in the community [19:17] dpm: I think it's pretty much what you said [19:17] dpm: you know it best, and like I said, it's ok if we skip it [19:18] adiroiban, it's a good idea (but remember that there is no such thing as "easy to implement" ;) ) [19:18] dpm: agreed :) [19:18] :) [19:19] ok [19:19] if I'd have all the time in the world it'd be nice to get to know to LP code now that it's finally free [19:20] third: Indentifying the source package/template from UI strings [19:20] I would like to discuss if we can have that feature in Rosetta, [19:20] or we should create a webapp for that [19:20] or a desktop app [19:21] Mirv, just one click away -> https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting :) [19:21] there were many such request [19:21] and we should see how we can help the translators [19:21] with these problems [19:21] adiroiban, can you expand a bit more on this? I'm not sure I understand it from the wiki description [19:22] like when you see a wrong translation [19:22] but you are not sure where to translate it [19:22] ex. "Password:" from gdm [19:22] adiroiban: interesting, this question came up a few days ago and I didn't know the answer [19:22] or you see some text that is not transalted [19:23] and you dont know if that string is not translatable [19:23] ok, I get it thanks [19:23] or is just that it si not translated [19:24] i get it too, so an app that highlights what hasn't been translated, yeah, another good idea, but can somebody make such a thing? [19:24] Again, I'm not sure it will be possible to have that in LP, but might be interesting to explore creating an application for that [19:25] yep [19:25] (what i'm asking is that are there the resources to turn this idea into a application?) [19:25] maybe we can have a prototype [19:25] I am very keen to investigate this problem and help with coding and stuff [19:25] the search string script Mirv posted on the list or the one with the same functionality in the ubuntu translator tools package can be used as a starting point [19:26] I think it would be very useful, and can help with beta testing. [19:26] and perhaps creating an ubuntu translations tool package [19:26] yep [19:26] yeah, basically just a GUI etc. on top of that/those [19:26] as we were talking earlier on [19:26] with all useful tools for translators [19:26] yes [19:27] the session should gather some feedback [19:27] and gather the requirements [19:27] adiroiban, might be interesting to change that topic and make it more general, perhaps expanding it to other tools [19:27] yep [19:28] i will do that [19:28] great, any other comments on that one? [19:28] it can be Ubuntu translation tools [19:28] sounds good [19:28] or tools for translators, etc [19:28] Translating Ubuntu Docs, help files, training materials [19:29] right now we have Ubuntu docs in place [19:29] but I don't know if xubuntu-docs or kubuntu-docs are updated / translated properly [19:30] also we have OpenOffice.org docs and gnome docs [19:30] but I don't know if the are used [19:30] and if translators are aware of that [19:30] we now also have Ubuntu Desktop Course available for translations [19:30] the idea of this session is to gather feedback [19:31] and see how we can improve the current ubuntu docs/help/training translation process [19:31] it sounds good to me, it might be interesting to have folks from the Documentation and Training teams [19:32] good thing, since it would also serve about who should be contacted so that eg. xubuntu-docs translations would actually be taken into use... and I'm not sure if kubuntu-docs package has been always cared about either [19:32] yep, this is a common session with ubuntu-docs [19:32] IIRC some guys from the Docs team will be there on the last days [19:33] ok, good stuff [19:33] any other comments? [19:33] i think we can continue :) [19:34] Mirv, do you want to kick off your topic? [19:34] yes, well the user experience of start.ubuntu.com for non-English users is still not perfect, except if all you do is use the search. 9.10 has been quite silent on the ubuntu-website list. [19:35] we also have these bugs https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page [19:35] that will need some love [19:35] and it's a co-operation between translators, docs team and the maybe bit hidden ubuntu-website team so if no-one does the initiative it seems not to take off by itself [19:36] most of them are trivial, is just that we need to escalade them to someone with access to ubuntu.com servers [19:36] now that newz2000 has not been that active on the mailing list, there are virtually no people there discussing eg. any possible stuff done for 9.10, so I don't know if there are other people in the team eg. at Canonical or not [19:37] I can try to find out more and post more info on that, and perhaps try to involve the relevant people in a shared session [19:39] anyway, sounds good to me too, if there are no more comments, I'll go on to the next proposal [19:39] it could be even just part of a larger ubuntu website session, if only the website people are found. but yes go on. [19:39] ok, yes, I'll try to find out more [19:40] anyway, here's the next suggestion [19:40] Testing for Translations [19:40] just a second [19:40] for that website session [19:40] yes, sure, go on [19:40] maybe we can have a session and also discuss if we can have some translations for support and participate pages [19:40] as right now they are in english [19:41] and the support page it very important to be translated [19:41] yes, my idea included those, since they are linked from star.ubuntu.com [19:41] and to provide local resources [19:41] :) [19:41] just to be sure [19:41] and like I listed in the mailing list post, there are several options [19:41] done. dpm, please [19:42] adiroiban, good idea. Can you add an additional point to Mirv's topic in the wiki with your suggestions? [19:42] dpm: ok [19:42] Testing for Translations [19:42] Cross session Translations/QA about test cases for translations. We could come up with a good blueprint for Lucid to add those kind of cases to the ISO tracke [19:42] r [19:42] it's about having a formal process for testing translations [19:42] before it's too late in the cycle [19:43] the idea is to think about translations-related testcases that could go on (let me find the link...) [19:43] yep, I was thinking about translation testing [19:43] http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ [19:43] LINK received: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ [19:44] but I have now idea how we can describe it in a formal manner [19:44] or structured way [19:44] are those automatic testing cases or manually done? [19:44] manual, right [19:44] i think manual [19:44] adiroiban, you can have a look at some of the test cases in there ^ [19:45] do we have test cases for translations ? [19:45] adiroiban, not formal ones, that'd be the purpose of the session [19:45] I think those are a good idea. We have many regressions each release which are simply found by doing a simple virtualbox installation and looking around. [19:46] yes [19:46] yep, I was saying that I don't know how we can have a formal testcase for translation [19:46] but I think if we could formalize those we could get more testing coverage [19:46] rather, just to a install / usage test case with the localized version of Ubuntu [19:47] and we will need some translators to get involved in the QA part [19:47] 5i [19:47] adiroiban, for example something along the lines of http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d18df45d [19:47] (as an example of a test) [19:48] the idea is that not only translators could do the test [19:48] they are just smoke tests [19:48] as we can have some wrong translations [19:48] anyway [19:48] we sure can discuss this durring UDS, togheter with QA team [19:48] adiroiban, these tests do catch errors [19:48] as they have more experience with testing [19:49] and I think having tests will definitely be an improvement over the current situation [19:49] testing for I18N bugs has its problems, since it's so hard to tell whether something is untranslated or untranslatable during the development period. but some tests would probably still definitely improve the situation. [19:50] or maybe not that hard for us, but for mechanical testing purposes [19:50] I agree, I think it is something we can discuss with the testing team. [19:51] I am quite happy with the bug reports we got from Ubuntu translators during this cycle [19:51] adiroiban, I am too, but that would be an additional chack [19:51] check [19:52] and I think our developers had a lot of i18n bugs reported [19:52] o [19:52] ok [19:52] we would need I18N-enthusiastic developers, in addition to us... who like to hunt such things. for many developer I18N is a burden, not something fun. [19:53] yep [19:53] eg. get at least some non-English developers to use their Ubuntu in their native language [19:53] and tell that any English they see is a bug :) [19:54] Mirv, in many cases is also lack of documentation resources on translation. We've got https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation for developers as reference [19:54] but it still needs some expansion [19:54] or encourage Ubuntu developers to improve their foreign language skils and use Ubuntu in ES [19:54] for ex :) [19:54] haha [19:55] adiroiban: heh, that too :) [19:55] ok [19:55] anyway, we've only got a few minutes left [19:55] I think we can go the the next topic [19:56] shall I go on to the next topic or would anyone like to suggest any other ones they might have thought of? [19:56] https://devpad.canonical.com/~danilo/ubuntu/ is not available for normal users [19:56] Note that I'll move all the topics from the wiki to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityTeam/UDS, where I started adding mine [19:57] ok [19:57] I only had testing in mind additionally when we started but it was already on the list, so no... [19:57] adiroiban, yes, we know it, danilo is going to have a look into that, as I mentioned back then on the ML [19:57] it's just a technical issue [19:58] are we going to have a Rosetta feedback session ? [19:58] adiroiban, we can have it :) [19:58] together with Rosetta devs? === asac_ is now known as asac [19:58] adiroiban, danilo and Ursinha are going to be there, so that's definitely possible [19:59] yep, that would be great [19:59] perhaps not only feedback but also info from them [19:59] on what they'll be working [19:59] in the net few months [20:00] anyway, as I say, I'll move the topics to the general topics page (or perhaps to the Translations wiki and a link to it) === imlad is now known as imlad|away [20:00] and thank them for their hard work :) [20:00] fine [20:00] we can still continue the discussion on the ML [20:00] ok [20:01] or organize another meeting if necessary [20:01] dpm: i suppose you will handle session planing [20:01] I think it will be enough if you inform us what sessions were accepted [20:01] or if we have spare slots [20:01] adiroiban, on translations, yes [20:01] yep [20:01] for translations [20:02] of course, I can do that [20:02] anyway, that only leaves thanking you all for your participation [20:02] some can be then combined if needed [20:02] and the usual great feedback and ideas [20:02] thanks to you all for your work [20:03] have a nice evening and see you all soon! [20:03] #endmeeting [20:03] Meeting finished at 14:03. [20:04] good night! [20:04] dpm: so you are going to move the wiki content now [20:04] and we should expand it on the community/UDS page? [20:04] adiroiban, now I'm going to call it a day and have dinner :) [20:05] :) [20:05] bye :) [20:06] adiroiban, tomorrow I'll move it. I'm thinking the Translations wiki space would be best for it, in order not to clutter the general UDS page [20:06] ok [20:06] and then I'd add a link on the UDS page [20:06] np [20:10] adiroiban -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/UDS === markjones_ is now known as markjones === imlad|away is now known as imlad === noy_ is now known as noy === imlad is now known as imlad|away === Silver_Fox_ is now known as Silver_Fox_Busy [22:59] hello! [23:00] * pleia2 waves [23:00] hey greg-g [23:00] hello :) [23:00] ok folks, we're here for the Americas Membership Board Meeting [23:00] #startmeeting [23:00] Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is pleia2. [23:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [23:01] Tenach, delphiexile, you here? [23:01] pleia2: Hi :P [23:01] hey Darxus :) [23:01] I unfortunately need to leave now. [23:01] ok, looks like we'll be starting off with kenvandine [23:01] ok :) [23:02] [TOPIC] Ken VanDine Membership Application [23:02] New Topic: Ken VanDine Membership Application [23:02] kenvandine: please introduce yourself and give links to your wiki and lp :) [23:02] ok [23:02] i work on the ubuntu-desktop team, as an integration engineer [23:03] so my day job i spend working with the ubuntuone and desktop experience folks to get their stuff into ubuntu [23:03] wiki page [23:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenVanDine [23:03] which is kind of bare... sorry about that, thought i had updated it [23:04] and LP https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine [23:04] which shows my participation [23:04] some of my significant contributions for the karmic cycle has been gwibber development and empathy messaging indicator support [23:04] as well as empathy AV chat work [23:04] which I greatly appreciate [23:04] :) [23:05] goals for the future of ubuntu? make it rock more! [23:05] and gwibber, thank you for that [23:05] specifically multi-user chat in empathy [23:05] etc [23:05] more collaboration related stuff, i am very keen on that [23:06] kenvandine: what is the status of the "social from the start" desktop experience? [23:06] anything else I should talk about ? [23:06] greg-g, postponed for lucid [23:06] kenvandine, any LoCo work? (hi!) [23:06] kenvandine: Do you do any work with your Loco [23:06] i will be spending lots of time on that for lucid [23:06] kenvandine: cool, just curious :) [23:06] ah... loco [23:06] a little [23:06] i got a bunch of CDs and handled getting them distributed at our NC loco [23:07] with akgraner [23:07] good good [23:07] also spent a little time with them getting re-organized [23:07] it was just starting to come back to life when i started contributing to ubuntu (in feb) [23:07] i should do more [23:07] were you at the Atlanta Linux Fest? [23:08] kenvandine: that is great to hear [23:08] nope [23:08] greg-g, too much travel this year... my wife would have skinned me [23:08] akgraner is rocking it though in NC! [23:08] kenvandine: understandable :) [23:08] she's awesome :) [23:08] yeah she is :) [23:08] kenvandine: anyone to cheer for kenvandine? [23:08] +1 to akgraner ... oh wait, I already did that last meeting :) [23:08] hehe [23:09] kenvandine: future plans? [23:09] more gwibber and empathy work in the near future [23:09] stabilizing gwibber and adding a ton of exception handling [23:09] which right now there is very little :/ [23:10] plenty of packaging too [23:10]