[17:58] <pedro_> hello folks
[17:58] <davmor2> heelo
[17:58] <ara> hey
[17:58] <bdmurray> hi
[17:58]  * marjo waves
[17:58] <davmor2> meh I can't be bother to correct it
[17:58] <schwuk> hi
[18:00] <marjo> #startmeeting QA Team Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is marjo.
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[18:00] <marjo> Hi folks! Thanks for joining us today.
[18:00] <marjo> Agenda for today's meeting
[18:00] <marjo> # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:00] <marjo> # Bugday highlights -- pedro
[18:00] <marjo> # RC Testing -- ara
[18:00] <sbeattie> hey
[18:01] <marjo> Does anybody want to add anything to the agenda?
[18:01] <marjo> [TOPIC] SRU Testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU Testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <sbeattie> SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-10-14):
[18:01] <sbeattie> * Jaunty: no new packages in -proposed and 2 pushed to -updates (tzdata, zsync)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * Intrepid: 2 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, smart) and 1 pushed to -updates (tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * Hardy: no new packages in -proposed and 3 packages pushed to -updates (apt-cacher, tzdata, vblade)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * Dapper: no new packages in -proposed and 1 package pushed to -updates (langpack-locales)
[18:02] <sbeattie> Thanks to Paul Elliott, Dave Morley, and Wolfgang Kufner for testing fixes this week.
[18:02] <sbeattie> That's all I have on SRUs.
[18:02] <marjo> [TOPIC] Bugday Highlights -- pedro
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday Highlights -- pedro
[18:03] <pedro_> Last Thursday we ran a bug day for the Server Team
[18:03] <marjo> Thanks sbeattie!
[18:03] <pedro_> it was a general bug day, so we created bug lists based on all the packages they're currently tracking
[18:04] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091014
[18:04] <pedro_> it turned out to be really cool, around 150 bugs were triaged
[18:04] <marjo> pedro: nice work!
[18:04] <pedro_> so thanks a lot to zul and ttx for helping us that day and for answering the questions the community had
[18:05] <pedro_> and also thanks to kamus and sbarjola for their participation
[18:05] <pedro_> I'm not planning to run a bug day for this week, since I'd like to put some more efforts into iso testing instead :-)
[18:06] <pedro_> that's all from here
[18:07] <marjo> pedro: nice segue for our next topic; thx
[18:07] <pedro_> my pleasure :-)
[18:07] <marjo> [TOPIC] RC Testing (ara)
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  RC Testing (ara)
[18:07] <ara> As you all know, tomorrow we are releasing Karmic Release Candidate
[18:08] <ara> it is the last milestone before the final release
[18:08] <ara> and we all have to try to make our best to complete all the test cases
[18:08] <ara> as usual, these two links will tell you what needs to be done: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[18:08] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[18:09] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[18:10] <ara> I am having an issue with Dell mini9 and OEM setups
[18:10] <ara> http://launchpad.net/bugs/456990
[18:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpad.net/bugs/456990
[18:10] <ara> but I cannot reproduce it outside the mini9
[18:10] <ara> does anyone one owns a netbook?
[18:11] <pedro_> not me
[18:11] <ara> mmm, I see it is fixed now
[18:11] <ara> it was the usb creator, apparently
[18:12] <ara> all the issues that prevented installation seem isolated
[18:12] <ara> that's good news
[18:13] <ara> but we need to cover all the rest
[18:13] <marjo> ara: anything else?
[18:13] <ara> marjo, no, that's it
[18:13] <marjo> Folks: Please help us achieve 100% test coverage on RC!
[18:14] <marjo> At Beta, we hit 98%, oh so close
[18:15] <ara> I have another small topic
[18:15] <marjo> ara go
[18:15] <davmor2> marjo: we got 100% it's just the last 2 test got done the next day ;)
[18:16] <ara> One community member, Cesar Muñoz, have offered to update the QATeam wiki with meeting logs and summary
[18:16] <ara> He is starting this week
[18:17] <marjo> davmor2: i'll take your 100%!
[18:17] <sbeattie> ara: he just did last week's meeting; thanks Cesar!
[18:17] <pedro_> awesome!
[18:17] <ara> \o/
[18:17] <davmor2> Nice one dude
[18:18] <marjo> thanks Cesar Munoz!
[18:18] <marjo> ara: anything else?
[18:19] <ara> marjo, no, that's it
[18:19] <marjo> ara thx!
[18:19] <marjo> folks: anything else from anyone?
[18:20] <davmor2> nope
[18:20] <marjo> karmic quality is looking very good
[18:20] <marjo> i propose we adjourn, so we can continue testing.
[18:20] <marjo> going once
[18:20] <marjo> twice
[18:21] <marjo> thanks folks! see you next time
[18:21] <marjo> #endmeeting
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[19:00] <dpm> so, hi everyone
[19:00] <adiroiban> hi
[19:00] <dpm> #startmeeting
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[19:00] <dpm> welcome everyone to this Ubuntu Translations meeting tonight
[19:00] <dpm> first things first, let's see who' here?
[19:00] <Mirv> o/
[19:01] <dpm> hiya adiroiban, hey Mirv
[19:01] <adiroiban> o/
[19:01] <joskulj> hi, here
[19:01] <adiroiban> :D
[19:01] <dpm> hi joskulj!
[19:01] <joskulj> hi everyone
[19:02] <Ursinha> me
[19:02] <dpm> hi Ursinha!
[19:02] <Ursinha> hi dpm :)
[19:03] <dpm> let's wait for a minute if there is anyone else turning up, and then we can start
[19:04] <dpm> ok, let's get started, then
[19:05] <dpm> so, we've got more people coming, welcome markjones
[19:05] <dpm> As you know, the main point is discussing possible topics for translations sessions for the UDS -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2009-10-21
[19:05] <adiroiban> dpm: do you know how many slots do we have for this UDS?
[19:06] <dpm> adiroiban, I don't know it yet
[19:06] <dpm> anyway, I see people have been adding topic suggestions already, so thanks a lot for the suggestions
[19:07] <dpm> I think we can just start from that list, and people can comment on them
[19:07] <dpm> how does that sound?
[19:08] <Mirv> sounds fine
[19:08] <dpm> also feel free to propose ideas as we go along
[19:08] <dpm> the idea is to have a good collection of topics to pick up
[19:09] <dpm> and then decide which ones would be interesting for UDS.
[19:09] <dpm> adiroiban, you've got the first topic on the list, would youlike to start with a short intro on that one?
[19:10] <adiroiban> yep
[19:10] <adiroiban> but I think the Wiki description is complete
[19:10] <adiroiban> :)
[19:11] <dpm> just for the benefit of the presents and for the logs, then :)
[19:11] <adiroiban> I would like a talk with Rosetta admin to see if someone can implement that feature
[19:11] <adiroiban> now that Rosetta is opensource maybe we can have a blueprint for that
[19:12] <dpm> so you are talking about message sharing between LP-hosted projects and distro packages
[19:12] <adiroiban> this feature will be useful for projects like ubiquity-slideshow, UNR, ubuntu-start-page
[19:12] <adiroiban> yes
[19:13] <Mirv> and any non-ubuntu-specific ones as well potentially, like transmission. maybe optional.
[19:13] <adiroiban> yes
[19:13] <markjones> I feel it's a good idea, as Rosetta already offers suggestions for translations.
[19:13] <adiroiban> since we already have message sharing between Ubuntu releases
[19:14] <adiroiban> and like markjones says, we have suggestions
[19:14] <Mirv> though that needs a bit of care, and/or advocating - messages from "Open" permission projects shouldn't go to Ubuntu, and way too many LP projects have the permissions set like that instead of LP Translators / Structured
[19:14] <dpm> I think it would definitely be an interesting feature, and something the LP translations team have thought about. It's only finding the resources to implement that :)
[19:14] <adiroiban> Mirv: yep
[19:15] <adiroiban> ok. The second one should be a roundtable for the Ubuntu Translation Project
[19:16] <dpm> The LP translations team is going to be focusing on upstream integration in the next months (see also https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg01361.html), so I think this feature might be out of focus for them^
[19:16] <dpm> although I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss it
[19:16] <dpm> and guide anyone who'd like to take the step to implement it
[19:16] <dpm> what do you say, Ursinha?
[19:17] <dpm> anyway, sorry we can move along to your second topic, just commenting on it
[19:17] <adiroiban> I was thinking this features is not that complicated to implement, and maybe we can find some resources in the community
[19:17] <Ursinha> dpm: I think it's pretty much what you said
[19:17] <adiroiban> dpm: you know it best, and like I said, it's ok if we skip it
[19:18] <dpm> adiroiban, it's a good idea (but remember that there is no such thing as "easy to implement" ;) )
[19:18] <Ursinha> dpm: agreed :)
[19:18] <adiroiban> :)
[19:19] <adiroiban> ok
[19:19] <Mirv> if I'd have all the time in the world it'd be nice to get to know to LP code now that it's finally free
[19:20] <adiroiban> third: Indentifying the source package/template from UI strings
[19:20] <adiroiban> I would like to discuss if we can have that feature in Rosetta,
[19:20] <adiroiban> or we should create a webapp for that
[19:20] <adiroiban> or a desktop app
[19:21] <dpm> Mirv, just one click away -> https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting :)
[19:21] <adiroiban> there were many such request
[19:21] <adiroiban> and we should see how we can help the translators
[19:21] <adiroiban> with these problems
[19:21] <dpm> adiroiban, can you expand a bit more on this? I'm not sure I understand it from the wiki description
[19:22] <adiroiban> like when you see a wrong translation
[19:22] <adiroiban> but you are not sure where to translate it
[19:22] <adiroiban> ex. "Password:" from gdm
[19:22] <Ursinha> adiroiban: interesting, this question came up a few days ago and I didn't know the answer
[19:22] <adiroiban> or you see some text that is not transalted
[19:23] <adiroiban> and you dont know if that string is not translatable
[19:23] <dpm> ok, I get it thanks
[19:23] <adiroiban> or is just that it si not translated
[19:24] <markjones> i get it too, so an app that highlights what hasn't been translated, yeah, another good idea, but can somebody make such a thing?
[19:24] <dpm> Again, I'm not sure it will be possible to have that in LP, but might be interesting to explore creating an application for that
[19:25] <adiroiban> yep
[19:25] <markjones> (what i'm asking is that are there the resources to turn this idea into a application?)
[19:25] <adiroiban> maybe we can have a prototype
[19:25] <adiroiban> I am very keen to investigate this problem and help with coding and stuff
[19:25] <dpm> the search string script Mirv posted on the list or the one with the same functionality in the ubuntu translator tools package can be used as a starting point
[19:26] <markjones> I think it would be very useful, and can help with beta testing.
[19:26] <dpm> and perhaps creating an ubuntu translations tool package
[19:26] <adiroiban> yep
[19:26] <Mirv> yeah, basically just a GUI etc. on top of that/those
[19:26] <dpm> as we were talking earlier on
[19:26] <dpm> with all useful tools for translators
[19:26] <dpm> yes
[19:27] <adiroiban> the session should gather some feedback
[19:27] <adiroiban> and gather the requirements
[19:27] <dpm> adiroiban, might be interesting to change that topic and make it more general, perhaps expanding it to other tools
[19:27] <adiroiban> yep
[19:28] <adiroiban> i will do that
[19:28] <dpm> great, any other comments on that one?
[19:28] <adiroiban> it can be Ubuntu translation tools
[19:28] <dpm> sounds good
[19:28] <adiroiban> or tools for translators, etc
[19:28] <adiroiban> Translating Ubuntu Docs, help files, training materials
[19:29] <adiroiban> right now we have Ubuntu docs in place
[19:29] <adiroiban> but I don't know if xubuntu-docs or kubuntu-docs are updated / translated properly
[19:30] <adiroiban> also we have OpenOffice.org docs and gnome docs
[19:30] <adiroiban> but I don't know if the are used
[19:30] <adiroiban> and if translators are aware of that
[19:30] <adiroiban> we now also have Ubuntu Desktop Course available for translations
[19:30] <adiroiban> the idea of this session is to gather feedback
[19:31] <adiroiban> and see how we can improve the current ubuntu docs/help/training translation process
[19:31] <dpm> it sounds good to me, it might be interesting to have folks from the Documentation and Training teams
[19:32] <Mirv> good thing, since it would also serve about who should be contacted so that eg. xubuntu-docs translations would actually be taken into use... and I'm not sure if kubuntu-docs package has been always cared about either
[19:32] <adiroiban> yep, this is a common session with ubuntu-docs
[19:32] <dpm> IIRC some guys from the Docs team will be there on the last days
[19:33] <dpm> ok, good stuff
[19:33] <dpm> any other comments?
[19:33] <adiroiban> i think we can continue :)
[19:34] <dpm> Mirv, do you want to kick off your topic?
[19:34] <Mirv> yes, well the user experience of start.ubuntu.com for non-English users is still not perfect, except if all you do is use the search. 9.10 has been quite silent on the ubuntu-website list.
[19:35] <adiroiban> we also have these bugs https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page
[19:35] <adiroiban> that will need some love
[19:35] <Mirv> and it's a co-operation between translators, docs team and the maybe bit hidden ubuntu-website team so if no-one does the initiative it seems not to take off by itself
[19:36] <adiroiban> most of them are trivial, is just that we need to escalade them to someone with access to ubuntu.com servers
[19:36] <Mirv> now that newz2000 has not been that active on the mailing list, there are virtually no people there discussing eg. any possible stuff done for 9.10, so I don't know if there are other people in the team eg. at Canonical or not
[19:37] <dpm> I can try to find out more and post more info on that, and perhaps try to involve the relevant people in a shared session
[19:39] <dpm> anyway, sounds good to me too, if there are no more comments, I'll go on to the next proposal
[19:39] <Mirv> it could be even just part of a larger ubuntu website session, if only the website people are found. but yes go on.
[19:39] <dpm> ok, yes, I'll try to find out more
[19:40] <dpm> anyway, here's the next suggestion
[19:40] <dpm> Testing for Translations
[19:40] <adiroiban> just a second
[19:40] <adiroiban> for that website session
[19:40] <dpm> yes, sure, go on
[19:40] <adiroiban> maybe we can have a session and also discuss if we can have some translations for support and participate pages
[19:40] <adiroiban> as right now they are in english
[19:41] <adiroiban> and the support page it very important to be translated
[19:41] <Mirv> yes, my idea included those, since they are linked from star.ubuntu.com
[19:41] <adiroiban> and to provide local resources
[19:41] <adiroiban> :)
[19:41] <adiroiban> just to be sure
[19:41] <Mirv> and like I listed in the mailing list post, there are several options
[19:41] <adiroiban> done. dpm, please
[19:42] <dpm> adiroiban, good idea. Can you add an additional point to Mirv's topic in the wiki with your suggestions?
[19:42] <adiroiban> dpm: ok
[19:42] <dpm> Testing for Translations
[19:42] <dpm> Cross session Translations/QA about test cases for translations. We could come up with a good blueprint for Lucid to add those kind of cases to the ISO tracke
[19:42] <dpm> r
[19:42] <dpm> it's about having a formal process for testing translations
[19:42] <dpm> before it's too late in the cycle
[19:43] <dpm> the idea is to think about translations-related testcases that could go on (let me find the link...)
[19:43] <adiroiban> yep, I was thinking about translation testing
[19:43] <dpm> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:44] <adiroiban> but I have now idea how we can describe it in a formal manner
[19:44] <adiroiban> or structured way
[19:44] <Mirv> are those automatic testing cases or manually done?
[19:44] <Mirv> manual, right
[19:44] <adiroiban> i think manual
[19:44] <dpm> adiroiban, you can have a look at some of the test cases in there ^
[19:45] <adiroiban> do we have test cases for translations ?
[19:45] <dpm> adiroiban, not formal ones, that'd be the purpose of the session
[19:45] <Mirv> I think those are a good idea. We have many regressions each release which are simply found by doing a simple virtualbox installation and looking around.
[19:46] <dpm> yes
[19:46] <adiroiban> yep, I was saying that I don't know how we can have a formal testcase for translation
[19:46] <dpm> but I think if we could formalize those we could get more testing coverage
[19:46] <adiroiban> rather, just to a install / usage test case with the localized version of Ubuntu
[19:47] <adiroiban> and we will need some translators to get involved in the QA part
[19:47] <Steffen_Eibicht> 5i
[19:47] <dpm> adiroiban, for example something along the lines of http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d18df45d
[19:47] <dpm> (as an example of a test)
[19:48] <dpm> the idea is that not only translators could do the test
[19:48] <adiroiban> they are just smoke tests
[19:48] <adiroiban> as we can have some wrong translations
[19:48] <adiroiban> anyway
[19:48] <adiroiban> we sure can discuss this durring UDS, togheter with QA team
[19:48] <dpm> adiroiban, these tests do catch errors
[19:48] <adiroiban> as they have more experience with testing
[19:49] <dpm> and I think having tests will definitely be an improvement over the current situation
[19:49] <Mirv> testing for I18N bugs has its problems, since it's so hard to tell whether something is untranslated or untranslatable during the development period. but some tests would probably still definitely improve the situation.
[19:50] <Mirv> or maybe not that hard for us, but for mechanical testing purposes
[19:50] <dpm> I agree, I think it is something we can discuss with the testing team.
[19:51] <adiroiban> I am quite happy with the bug reports we got from Ubuntu translators during this cycle
[19:51] <dpm> adiroiban, I am too, but that would be an additional chack
[19:51] <dpm> check
[19:52] <adiroiban> and I think our developers had a lot of i18n bugs reported
[19:52] <adiroiban> o
[19:52] <adiroiban> ok
[19:52] <Mirv> we would need I18N-enthusiastic developers, in addition to us... who like to hunt such things. for many developer I18N is a burden, not something fun.
[19:53] <adiroiban> yep
[19:53] <Mirv> eg. get at least some non-English developers to use their Ubuntu in their native language
[19:53] <Mirv> and tell that any English they see is a bug :)
[19:54] <dpm> Mirv, in many cases is also lack of documentation resources on translation. We've got https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation for developers as reference
[19:54] <dpm> but it still needs some expansion
[19:54] <adiroiban> or encourage Ubuntu developers to improve their foreign language skils and use Ubuntu in ES
[19:54] <adiroiban> for ex :)
[19:54] <dpm> haha
[19:55] <Mirv> adiroiban: heh, that too :)
[19:55] <adiroiban> ok
[19:55] <dpm> anyway, we've only got a few minutes left
[19:55] <adiroiban> I think we can go the the next topic
[19:56] <dpm> shall I go on to the next topic or would anyone like to suggest any other ones they might have thought of?
[19:56] <adiroiban> https://devpad.canonical.com/~danilo/ubuntu/ is not available for normal users
[19:56] <dpm> Note that I'll move all the topics from the wiki to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityTeam/UDS, where I started adding mine
[19:57] <adiroiban> ok
[19:57] <Mirv> I only had testing in mind additionally when we started but it was already on the list, so no...
[19:57] <dpm> adiroiban, yes, we know it, danilo is going to have a look into that, as I mentioned back then on the ML
[19:57] <dpm> it's just a technical issue
[19:58] <adiroiban> are we going to have a Rosetta feedback session ?
[19:58] <dpm> adiroiban, we can have it :)
[19:58] <adiroiban> together with Rosetta devs?
[19:58] <dpm> adiroiban, danilo and Ursinha are going to be there, so that's definitely possible
[19:59] <adiroiban> yep, that would be great
[19:59] <dpm> perhaps not only feedback but also info from them
[19:59] <dpm> on what they'll be working
[19:59] <dpm> in the net few months
[20:00] <dpm> anyway, as I say, I'll move the topics to the general topics page (or perhaps to the Translations wiki and a link to it)
[20:00] <adiroiban> and thank them for their hard work :)
[20:00] <Mirv> fine
[20:00] <dpm> we can still continue the discussion on the ML
[20:00] <adiroiban> ok
[20:01] <dpm> or organize another meeting if necessary
[20:01] <adiroiban> dpm: i suppose you will handle session planing
[20:01] <adiroiban> I think it will be enough if you inform us what sessions were accepted
[20:01] <adiroiban> or if we have spare slots
[20:01] <dpm> adiroiban, on translations, yes
[20:01] <adiroiban> yep
[20:01] <adiroiban> for translations
[20:02] <dpm> of course, I can do that
[20:02] <dpm> anyway, that only leaves thanking you all for your participation
[20:02] <Mirv> some can be then combined if needed
[20:02] <dpm> and the usual great feedback and ideas
[20:02] <Mirv> thanks to you all for your work
[20:03] <dpm> have a nice evening and see you all soon!
[20:03] <dpm> #endmeeting
[20:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:03.
[20:04] <dpm> good night!
[20:04] <adiroiban> dpm: so you are going to move the wiki content now
[20:04] <adiroiban> and we should expand it on the community/UDS page?
[20:04] <dpm> adiroiban, now I'm going to call it a day and have dinner :)
[20:05] <adiroiban> :)
[20:05] <Mirv> bye :)
[20:06] <dpm> adiroiban, tomorrow I'll move it. I'm thinking the Translations wiki space would be best for it, in order not to clutter the general UDS page
[20:06] <adiroiban> ok
[20:06] <dpm> and then I'd add a link on the UDS page
[20:06] <adiroiban> np
[20:10] <dpm> adiroiban -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/UDS
[22:59] <greg-g> hello!
[23:00]  * pleia2 waves
[23:00] <kenvandine> hey greg-g
[23:00] <swoody> hello :)
[23:00] <pleia2> ok folks, we're here for the Americas Membership Board Meeting
[23:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[23:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is pleia2.
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[23:01] <pleia2> Tenach, delphiexile, you here?
[23:01] <Darxus> pleia2: Hi :P
[23:01] <pleia2> hey Darxus :)
[23:01] <Darxus> I unfortunately need to leave now.
[23:01] <pleia2> ok, looks like we'll be starting off with kenvandine
[23:01] <kenvandine> ok :)
[23:02] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Ken VanDine Membership Application
[23:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ken VanDine Membership Application
[23:02] <pleia2> kenvandine: please introduce yourself and give links to your wiki and lp :)
[23:02] <kenvandine> ok
[23:02] <kenvandine> i work on the ubuntu-desktop team, as an integration engineer
[23:03] <kenvandine> so my day job i spend working with the ubuntuone and desktop experience folks to get their stuff into ubuntu
[23:03] <kenvandine> wiki page
[23:03] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenVanDine
[23:03] <kenvandine> which is kind of bare... sorry about that, thought i had updated it
[23:04] <kenvandine> and LP https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine
[23:04] <kenvandine> which shows my participation
[23:04] <kenvandine> some of my significant contributions for the karmic cycle has been gwibber development and empathy messaging indicator support
[23:04] <kenvandine> as well as empathy AV chat work
[23:04] <greg-g> which I greatly appreciate
[23:04] <kenvandine> :)
[23:05] <kenvandine> goals for the future of ubuntu?  make it rock more!
[23:05] <czajkowski> and gwibber, thank you for that
[23:05] <kenvandine> specifically multi-user chat in empathy
[23:05] <kenvandine> etc
[23:05] <kenvandine> more collaboration related stuff, i am very keen on that
[23:06] <greg-g> kenvandine: what is the status of the "social from the start" desktop experience?
[23:06] <kenvandine> anything else I should talk about ?
[23:06] <kenvandine> greg-g, postponed for lucid
[23:06] <beuno> kenvandine, any LoCo work?  (hi!)
[23:06] <Technoviking> kenvandine: Do you do any work with your Loco
[23:06] <kenvandine> i will be spending lots of time on that for lucid
[23:06] <greg-g> kenvandine: cool, just curious :)
[23:06] <kenvandine> ah... loco
[23:06] <kenvandine>  a little
[23:06] <kenvandine> i got a bunch of CDs and handled getting them distributed at our NC loco
[23:07] <kenvandine> with akgraner
[23:07] <Technoviking> good good
[23:07] <kenvandine> also spent a little time with them getting re-organized
[23:07] <kenvandine> it was just starting to come back to life when i started contributing to ubuntu (in feb)
[23:07] <kenvandine> i should do more
[23:07] <greg-g> were you at the Atlanta Linux Fest?
[23:08] <Technoviking> kenvandine: that is great to hear
[23:08] <kenvandine> nope
[23:08] <kenvandine> greg-g, too much travel this year... my wife would have skinned me
[23:08] <kenvandine> akgraner is rocking it though in NC!
[23:08] <greg-g> kenvandine: understandable :)
[23:08] <kenvandine> she's awesome :)
[23:08] <pleia2> yeah she is :)
[23:08] <Technoviking> kenvandine: anyone to cheer for kenvandine?
[23:08] <greg-g> +1 to akgraner ... oh wait, I already did that last meeting :)
[23:08] <kenvandine> hehe
[23:09] <pleia2> kenvandine: future plans?
[23:09] <kenvandine> more gwibber and empathy work in the near future
[23:09] <kenvandine> stabilizing gwibber and adding a ton of exception handling
[23:09] <kenvandine> which right now there is very little :/
[23:10] <kenvandine> plenty of packaging too
[23:10] <greg-g> wow, exception handling in gwibber? amazing thought
[23:10] <pleia2> great :)
[23:10] <kenvandine> greg-g, yeah... it WILL happen :)
[23:10] <greg-g> :)
[23:10] <greg-g> ok, I think we're ready to vote, wanna do that speacial mootbot thing pleia2 ?
[23:10] <pleia2> [VOTE] Ken VanDine Membership
[23:10] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ken VanDine Membership.
[23:10] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:10] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:10] <kenvandine> oh i also contribute to gm-notify
[23:10] <pleia2> +1
[23:10] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:11] <kenvandine> which is indicator integration for gmail
[23:11] <pleia2> keep up the great work, kenvandine!
[23:11] <greg-g> +1
[23:11] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:11] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:11] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:11] <Technoviking> +1, if you promise to flesh out your wiki page :)
[23:11] <greg-g> thanks for all the great work, ken
[23:11] <kenvandine> Technoviking, i will... tonight :)
[23:11] <Technoviking> +1
[23:11] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:11] <kenvandine> i think i have a draft up in tomboy somewhere
[23:11]  * beuno abstains on Canonical employees
[23:11] <kenvandine> beuno, understand :)
[23:11] <beuno> kenvandine, but you rock  :)
[23:12] <kenvandine> hehe
[23:12] <kenvandine> thx
[23:12] <cody-somerville> +1
[23:12] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:12] <greg-g> congrats, kenvandine !
[23:12] <kenvandine> woot
[23:12] <kenvandine> thx!
[23:12] <pleia2> #endvote
[23:13] <pleia2> how do I do this thing
[23:13] <pleia2> hehe
[23:13] <Technoviking> Congrats Ken
[23:13] <greg-g> [ENDVOTE] maybe?
[23:13] <kenvandine> hey fader_
[23:13] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[23:13] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[23:13] <Vantrax> yer
[23:13] <pleia2> thanks greg-g :)
[23:13] <pleia2> congrats kenvandine, welcome!
[23:13] <greg-g> :)
[23:13] <nhandler> Congratulations kenvandine
[23:13] <kenvandine> excellent :)
[23:13] <Vantrax> grats kenvandine
[23:13] <pleia2> duanedesign: you around?
[23:13] <duanedesign> yes
[23:13] <swoody> grats kenvandine :D
[23:14] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Duane Hinnen Membership Application
[23:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Duane Hinnen Membership Application
[23:14] <pleia2> duanedesign: please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki and lp
[23:14] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/duanedesign
[23:14] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/~duanedesign
[23:15] <duanedesign> my name is Duane Hinnen
[23:15] <duanedesign> I am lead for the OKlahoma LoCo.  Where my responsibilities include but are not limited to some of the following. I welcoming new members and introduce them to the different tools the , maintaining the LoCos online resources, and organize events. I also publish a newsletter to keep the loco energized.
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> w00t duanedesign :8
[23:16] <duanedesign> :)
[23:16] <duanedesign> I am also a proud member of the Ubuntu Beginners Team. Where I spend lots of time doing wiki work, bug triage, IRC support.
[23:16] <ZachK_> am i too late?
[23:16] <pleia2> duanedesign: cool, any plans for a karmic release party?
[23:17] <duanedesign> We have one shaping up nicely in  OKC
[23:17] <pleia2> awesome :)
[23:17] <duanedesign> OKlahoma City
[23:17] <beuno> ZachK_, no, we've just started
[23:17] <ZachK_> whew...
[23:17] <Vantrax> I just like to say duanedesign's application for membership is long overdue, and hes a handy guy to have in the Beginners Team.
[23:17] <duanedesign> Tulsa, is hopefully going to follow :)
[23:17] <ZachK_> i just got back from orientation for work so i was hoping to make it
[23:18] <beuno> duanedesign, how long have you been active in Ubuntu?
[23:18] <duanedesign> I also recently tok over as lead of the Beginners Team Launchpad Focus Group. Where i plan to do lots to help educate the community about LP
[23:19] <duanedesign> I have been heavily active since aprox. this time last year
[23:19] <duanedesign> beuno: ^^
[23:19] <greg-g> duanedesign: could you tell me more about "Best of the Ubuntu Community Forums Tutorials" this is a new project to me!
[23:19] <duanedesign> greg-g: I am glad you ask
[23:19] <beuno> helping begginners is hard work, it's great that your so involved in that
[23:20] <Vantrax> beuno, hes good at it too
[23:20] <duanedesign> greg-g: It is a collection of Forum tutorials and How-to's. I compile them put them in Doc Book format soo they are viewable in Yelp, like the System help
[23:21] <greg-g> interesting.. what is the license for the content?
[23:22] <duanedesign> CCreative Commons ShareAlike 2.5 License (CC-BY-SA)
[23:22] <duanedesign> greg-g: ^^
[23:22] <greg-g> duanedesign: awesome, good choice
[23:22]  * greg-g works for Creative Commons (full disclosure)
[23:23] <duanedesign> I like to send out letters to tutorials authors and get their blessing. And hopefully involve them with updating the tutorials for future releases
[23:23]  * Vantrax has found greg-g very useful because of that:P
[23:23] <pleia2> yeah, we all (ab)use greg-g :)
[23:23] <greg-g> duanedesign: I hope you get their blessing to license their work as CC:BY-SA :)
[23:24] <pleia2> [VOTE] Duane Hinnen Membership
[23:24] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Duane Hinnen Membership.
[23:24] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:24] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:24] <pleia2> awesome work, duanedesign :)
[23:24] <pleia2> +1
[23:24] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:24] <greg-g> I do like the idea of pinging them each release for updates, keeping the tutorials current, the people engaged, all good things
[23:24] <greg-g> +1
[23:24] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:24] <greg-g> good work, duanedesign
[23:24] <Silver_Fox_Busy> Can I also add my support for duanedesign?  He is very friendly,  knowledgeable and always tries to help others.  I watch on with keen interest the direction he takes the beginners launchpad focus group .  I know he will do well.
[23:24] <Technoviking> +1
[23:24] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:24] <duanedesign> We also have plans to translate the project into Spanish. BOUCFT would be a wonderful tool in Latin America where internet is not always freely available
[23:25] <beuno> +1
[23:25] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:25] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:25] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:25] <cody-somerville> +1
[23:25] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[23:25] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[23:25] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[23:25] <pleia2> congrats duanedesign!
[23:25] <swoody> congrats duanedesign :D
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats duanedesign , long, long overdue :8
[23:25] <nhandler> Congrats duanedesign
[23:25] <greg-g> congrats duanedesign
[23:25] <Silver_Fox_> Well done duanedesign.
[23:25] <duanedesign> thank you I humbly accept this honor :)
[23:25] <cody-somerville> w00t w00t
[23:26] <pleia2> ok, looks like luis_lopez isn't here
[23:26] <pleia2> swoody: you around?
[23:26] <swoody> yes, pleia2 :)
[23:26] <beuno> duanedesign, welcome to the team!
[23:26] <cody-somerville> you're on the hot tamale train now!
[23:26] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Steve Woodruff Membership Application
[23:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Steve Woodruff Membership Application
[23:26] <duanedesign> thank you bueno
[23:26] <Vantrax> YAY
[23:26] <pleia2> swoody: please introduce yourself and give a link to lp and wiki
[23:26] <swoody> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/swoody
[23:27] <swoody> https://launchpad.net/~swoody
[23:27] <swoody> My name is Steve Woodruff...
[23:27] <swoody> I am a member of the Ubuntu Beginner's Team, and have been since the beginning of this year
[23:28] <swoody> my main focus so far has been trying to help new users in the Forums and on IRC
[23:28] <swoody> I am also an adamant supporter of the Folding @ Home project
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> swoody has been fantastic to work with, very knowledgeable and always willing to help
[23:28] <Silver_Fox_> I have known swoody through activities with UBT, more specifically the IRC support channel which I co lead.  I find him patient, helpful and always willing to offer advice to any who seek it.  He has been a real asset not only to my focus group,  but to the community as a whole.  I support this application 100%
[23:29] <swoody> before coming to the BT, I had also dabbled in the MOTU, and would really like to get back in touch with them in the future
[23:29] <swoody> thank you bodhi_zazen and Silver_Fox_ :)
[23:29] <Vantrax> I've been involved with swoody since he started becoming active in the community. He is a valued member of the beginners team and a great contributor to the community. I strongly recommend him for membership.
[23:29] <greg-g> uh oh, nixternal was one of your testimonials? ;)
[23:29] <Vantrax> He is also a valued member of the community learning project.
[23:29] <swoody> greg-g, yes, is that a bad thing? ;)
[23:29] <pleia2> swoody: of course, that nutter is driving down 95 on his bike as we speak!
[23:29] <greg-g> swoody: you know him, right? ;)
[23:30] <nhandler> swoody also came to the Ubuntu Chicago Global Jam event (where he brought some great cookies), and he has volunteered to give a presentation at out upcoming Karmic release party
[23:30] <swoody> plars, haha, very true :)
[23:30] <swoody> pleia2, ^^
[23:30] <greg-g> cool re: global jam and future presentation
[23:30] <swoody> greg-g, yes, I met him at the Chicago Loco Global Jam ;)
[23:30] <beuno> swoody, how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[23:30] <LeAstrale> Cookies help everything :)
[23:30] <ZachK_> nice one with the cookies swoody
[23:30] <talsemgeest> swoody is amazing at helping new users both on the forums and IRC, and is extremely knowledgeable in doing so. He is a valued member of the Beginners Team, and I believe he would be brilliant as an ubuntu member
[23:30] <swoody> beuno, about a year and a half now
[23:30] <Vantrax> also i supposed in the interests of fair disclosure, I was swoodys mentor for the BT.
[23:31] <swoody> thank you all for the kind words :)
[23:31] <Vantrax> Thank you for your contributions and positive attitude.
[23:32] <swoody> it's been my pleasure :)
[23:32] <duanedesign> swoody is very helpful and I support him 100%. (even if he uses folding@home instead of BOINC)
[23:32] <duanedesign> :p
[23:32] <pleia2> hehe
[23:32] <swoody> duanedesign, haha, we can collaborate on a Distributed Computing team ;)
[23:33] <cody-somerville> +1
[23:33] <pleia2> [VOTE] Steve Woodruff Membership
[23:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Steve Woodruff Membership.
[23:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:33] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:33] <cody-somerville> +1
[23:33] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:33] <pleia2> +1
[23:33] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:33] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:33] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:33] <greg-g> +1
[23:33] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:33] <pleia2> awesome work, swoody :) keep it up!
[23:33] <beuno> +1
[23:33] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:33] <greg-g> keep up the good work, swoody
[23:34] <cody-somerville> w00t w00t You're on the hot tamale train tonight!
[23:34] <swoody> thank you pleia2 :)
[23:34] <Vantrax> lol
[23:34] <swoody> and I'll be sure to :)
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats swoody =)
[23:34] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[23:34] <nhandler> Congratulations swoody
[23:34] <talsemgeest> Congrats swoody!
[23:34] <Vantrax> welcome to the family
[23:34] <swoody> thank you *very* much everybody :D
[23:34] <pleia2> hrm, I fail at mootbot tonight
[23:34] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[23:34] <pleia2> oh there it goes :)
[23:34] <pleia2> welcome, swoody!
[23:34] <Vantrax> mootbot just runs a little slow some times
[23:34] <Silver_Fox_> Well done swoody =]
[23:35] <pleia2> ZachK_: you around?
[23:35] <ZachK_> yes
[23:35] <greg-g> try that endvote again? or just wait?
[23:35] <pleia2> it finally took
[23:35] <greg-g> oh wait, sorry, didn't see it came through, ignore me
[23:35] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Zach Kriesse Membership Application
[23:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Zach Kriesse Membership Application
[23:35] <greg-g> ZachK_: go ahead and give your intro and links to lp and wiki pages
[23:36] <ZachK_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zachk18 https://launchpad.net/~zach-kleinhenz
[23:36] <ZachK_> I think some of you know me from a month or so ago...
[23:37] <ZachK_> But I'm a member of the Beginners Team, I have a padawan, and i'm a member of several focus groups and some teams on Launchpad
[23:37] <Technoviking> +! for swoody for the record, had to kick a server
[23:37] <Technoviking> +1
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> I am sorry I neglected to write a testimonial for ZachK_ on his wiki page :(
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> He has my full support in his application for membership and as you can see has made significant contributions to the Ubuntu Community, he enjoys documentation
[23:38] <talsemgeest> ZachK_ has helped a lot with new users on IRC, and has done a lot on the forums. He is an integral part of the beginners team, and he has my full support for membership.
[23:38] <ZachK_> Mainly I deal in doc and wiki work. Editing pages and such but I also help new users acclimate to Ubuntu, set up a Wiki page and get into the team(Beginners Team)
[23:39]  * Vantrax wanders over to recruit him for UCLP
[23:39] <swoody> haha
[23:40] <greg-g> ZachK_: I see you listed membership in the Illinoise LoCo, could you describe how that team is doing?
[23:40]  * bodhi_zazen Go BT !!!
[23:40] <greg-g> and I know you don't represent the team, I'm more just curious about the status of that team
[23:40] <swoody> I would also like to extend my nod of approval for ZachK_ . He has been an absolute asset to the BT, and has gone above and beyond the help others.
[23:41] <ZachK_> greg-g, i wouldn't know honestly as I finally found a LoCo team in my area...just two days ago infact
[23:41] <greg-g> ah, well ok then :)
[23:41] <ZachK_> sorry...
[23:41] <beuno> ZachK_, it seems you're just getting started in the community, although it looks like a great start
[23:41] <greg-g> no appology necessary
[23:41] <beuno> how long have you been contributing?
[23:42] <ZachK_> beuno, some months now....but i've jumped in with both feet as the saying goes
[23:42] <ZachK_> i'm an all or nothing kind of guy
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> "just starting" is a bit of an understatement, he has done more in the past two months then some do in years =)
[23:43] <beuno> bodhi_zazen, I understand
[23:43] <pleia2> ZachK_: looks like you joined lp about 2 months ago? was there involvement prior to that elsewhere?
[23:43] <beuno> but one of the requirements is sustained contributions across time
[23:43] <ZachK_> pleia2, until ubuntu i didn't even know of lp...
[23:43] <pleia2> ZachK_: I meant in ubuntu
[23:43] <ZachK_> beuno, and i intend too
[23:43] <beuno> it's an amazing amount of work in 2 months, but still, I feel that six months is a minimum
[23:44] <ZachK_> pleia2, i've tested ubuntu before...didn't exactly know i was testing...and i promote ubuntu in the public whenever i can
[23:45] <pleia2> I have to agree with beuno here, I think we'd really like to see more long-term involvement (6 months would be great)
[23:46] <greg-g> but at least 3 is good (and the minimum I believe)
[23:46] <beuno> ZachK_, keep this up, and in 3-4 months you'll fly right through here
[23:46] <Technoviking> ZachK_: I think you are doing a great job also, but I think you need a little more time also
[23:46] <ZachK_> :)
[23:46] <ZachK_> ok
[23:46] <pleia2> nice work so far though, so much activity in such short time!
[23:46] <ZachK_> pleia2, i try
[23:46] <pleia2> it's appreciated :)
[23:47] <greg-g> ZachK_: yeah, I really think your 2 months of work is "worth" about 6 months, but, it is just one of those things we need to keep in mind when voting
[23:47] <ZachK_> greg-g, ok
[23:47] <greg-g> ZachK_: I second beuno's comment about flying through here in the next few months, too :)
[23:47] <ZachK_> greg-g, k
[23:48] <ZachK_> well thanks esteemed members of the board
[23:48] <pleia2> I think we're pretty much in agreement here, thanks for coming ZachK_!
[23:48] <greg-g> ZachK_: you are welcome and we really appreciate your work
[23:48] <ZachK_> k
[23:48]  * Bodsda wishes he could slip in at the end to run for membership *hint* :)
[23:48] <beuno> ZachK_, it's great to have you in the community, hope to see you back soon
[23:49] <ZachK_> k
[23:49] <pleia2> Bodsda: sorry, some of us need to skip out :( really should put yourself on the list at least a day prior to meeting
[23:49] <Bodsda> pleia2: I know -- I was just passing this way - didnt realise there was a meeting tonight
[23:49] <Silver_Fox_> bodsa if you do it now you'll be up at the same time as me
[23:49] <Silver_Fox_> ^ Bodsda ^
[23:49] <pleia2> Thanks for coming everyone, congrats kenvandine, duanedesign and swoody! Hope to see you back in a few months, ZachK_ :)
[23:49] <Bodsda> Well done BT!!!!
[23:49] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[23:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:49.
[23:50] <greg-g> thanks everyone!
[23:50] <greg-g> congrats to the new members!
[23:50] <greg-g> come back soon, ZachK_ !
[23:50] <ZachK_> thanks pleia2 greg-g
[23:50] <swoody> thank you all again! :D
[23:50] <swoody> and congrats again to all!!!
[23:50] <Vantrax> well done guys
[23:50] <beuno> thanks for keeping Ubuntu rocking everyone
[23:50] <Bodsda> congrats guys!
[23:52] <Bodsda> pleia2: adding my name to the Europes list now :)