[17:04] <lool> Does someone know how to send Ctrl-Alt-Fx under virtualbox?
[17:07] <lool> plars, GrueMaster: Poke, I have a hang before the timezone selection screen in ubiquity under moblin remix if I chose anything else than English
[17:07] <lool> Can you guys confirm?
[17:07] <lool> (this is under virtualbox)
[17:08] <GrueMaster> Which snapshot?  Today's?
[17:08] <lool> Yes
[17:08] <GrueMaster> Downloading now.  Will check when it finishes.
[17:09] <plars> lool: no, I got past there with today's snapshot just fine
[17:10] <plars> lool: also under virtual box
[17:11] <sbeattie> lool: Ctrl-Alt-Fx> <host-key>Fx, where <host-key> here defaults to <right-ctrl>
[17:12] <plars> lool: is the battery in your b2.5 good?
[17:13] <lool> plars: I installed on 2.0 for now; need to test 2.5 now
[17:13] <plars> lool: if your battery is good, can you see if it still preserves the clock?
[17:13] <lool> sbeattie: thanks!
[17:14] <lool> plars: yes
[17:14] <plars> lool: mine is not, but could be just that my battery has recently died
[17:14] <lool> An ARM person told me ethernet wasn't working with babbage 2.0  :-(
[17:14] <plars> and I don't have my voltmeter handy at the moment
[17:14] <lool> plars: moblin > had you tried with non-english?
[17:15] <lool> plars: Just rebooting into the installed system, I have date/time issues on 2.0
[17:15] <plars> lool: no, only english sorry
[17:17] <plars> lool: let me try non-english real quick
[17:18] <lool> Ouch I see moblin-remix pulls langpacks during install even when one selects english
[17:23] <lool> Fuck, system date expired my password and I cant login
[17:25] <lool> I did a ctrl-alt-del shutdown of Babbage 2.0 and it doesn't come up anymore...
[17:28] <plars> lool: I tried it in French also, and I also get past the tz select screen
[17:28] <lool> plars: Ok cool thanks
[17:28] <lool> plars: in vbox still?
[17:28] <plars> lool: yep
[18:08] <plars> NCommander: awake?
[18:15] <lool> plars, GrueMaster: Do you guys see output on the serial console when booting babbage boards?
[18:16] <GrueMaster> Briefly.  
[18:16] <GrueMaster> Default doesn't put much out.
[18:16] <plars> lool: when I redirect to the console, yes
[18:17] <lool> plars: I mean bootloader
[18:17] <GrueMaster> bootloader, yes.
[18:17] <GrueMaster> why?
[18:17] <lool> I dont see anything
[18:18] <lool> Only booting SDHC0
[18:18] <lool> And not even always
[18:18] <lool> Hmm you guys have 2.0
[18:18] <lool> JamieBennett: what about you
[18:18] <lool> err 2.5
[18:18] <plars> lool: I only have 2.5
[18:18] <lool> Jamie has 2.0
[18:19] <lool> GRAH
[18:19] <lool> serial cable had simply moved out
[18:19] <plars> lool: you don't even get output from redboot?
[18:19] <plars> ah
[18:20] <plars> wow, I was going to say you probably cooked your board or something :)
[18:20] <JamieBennett> Sorry, just back I do have a 2.0
[18:20] <lool> I hate you real world
[18:20]  * JamieBennett reads backchat
[18:20] <lool> JamieBennett: dont bother
[18:20] <GrueMaster> I wasn't going to suggest that you plug it in.  "P
[18:20] <GrueMaster> :P
[18:21] <plars> funny that you got as far as the first message, then nothing after that
[18:21] <lool> Now Xorg wont come up anymore for me on Babbage 2.0
[18:21] <lool> Hmm probably a date issue
[18:24] <JamieBennett> lool: :) just read the back chat, if in doubt always blame the hardware first 
[18:24] <lool> Eh if you use init=/bin/sh you have to ctrl-alt-f7 to talk to the shell
[18:28] <lool> JamieBennett: How do you reset the time after install of a babbage 2.0?
[18:29] <JamieBennett> After the time resets you have to drop to the console and use date (if you can boot to X that is)
[18:30] <lool> JamieBennett: I cant boot to X and I dont have sudo either
[18:30] <lool> It fails due to the time skew
[18:30] <JamieBennett> lool: I haven't experienced that. Even though the time resets I've always been able to boot to X
[18:30] <JamieBennett> I can give todays image a try though
[18:31] <lool> please do
[18:31] <JamieBennett> lool: OK
[18:31] <JamieBennett> downloading now
[18:32] <lool> are you at home?
[18:32] <JamieBennett> lool: yes, why?
[18:32] <lool> JamieBennett: Ok just wondering
[18:32] <JamieBennett> :)
[18:32] <lool> JamieBennett: I mean you're expected to be doing RC testing anyway  :)
[18:33] <JamieBennett> Not at 6:30pm :P
[18:33] <JamieBennett> Farming the kids off to bed in 30 minutes so I'll devote some more time tonight to testing
[18:33] <lool> Eh right
[18:34] <plars> lool: normally the time skew doesn't cause *that* bad of problems for me... just that it makes me change my password every time I login, or use sudo
[18:35] <JamieBennett> plars: exactly what I was getting (last tested a couple of days ago)
[18:35] <lool> Perhaps sudo -i would work
[18:36] <JamieBennett> plars: password reset every login until you set the date then its fine until you take the power away
[18:37] <plars> JamieBennett: right, that bug is supposed to be fixed though :(
[18:37] <JamieBennett> plars: I'm going to test in T minus 10 minutes :)
[18:37] <JamieBennett> (download time)
[18:40] <lool> Oh it kept the date once
[18:40] <lool> Ah no
[18:40] <lool> it ntped
[18:40] <plars> lool: I reopened it
[18:40] <plars> lool: also I looked at the kernel from yesterday, and it still seems to contain the fixes that were in that changeset
[18:42] <plars> GrueMaster: are you able to make it through the dove install?
[18:42] <plars> I'm dying with InstallStepError in configure_bootloader()
[18:43] <plars> could be related to NCommander stuff he did on partman? maybe?
[18:43] <GrueMaster> Haven't gotten to that platform yet.  Just finishing up unr & imx51 install testing.
[18:44] <lool> If I use startx, the server comes up fine
[18:46] <lool> and if I start gdm it doesn't
[18:52] <lool> Ok got it
[18:53] <lool> my 2.5 doesn't boot if I pull too much power with too many devices up
[18:54] <JamieBennett> lool: ? Does that mean you solved your problem ? (installing todays image now)
[18:56] <lool> JamieBennett: No  :-(
[18:56] <lool> I gave up on babbage 2.0 to see how a 2.5 behaves for me
[18:57] <lool> I saw /var/log/gdm/(null).log files and thought it was looking bad
[18:58] <JamieBennett> lool: OK leave it with me. I'll see what my board does
[19:03] <JamieBennett> lool: live cd has pulled up the right time, I presume from the last install and the battery backup
[19:03] <JamieBennett> installing a full system now
[19:04] <JamieBennett> (and its been unplugged for at least 2 days)
[19:04] <lool> JamieBennett: If you have network plugged in, it ntp-ed it
[19:09] <JamieBennett> lool: confirmed. Removed eth cable, unplugged, rebooted live cd, back to Jan 1st 1970.
[19:11] <JamieBennett> Also why is it so hard to click on London in Ubiquity?
[19:17] <lool> :-(
[19:17] <lool> JamieBennett: Do you get gdm to startup on an installed system?
[19:17] <lool> JamieBennett: Also could you check ls /var/log/gdm for funny names like mine
[19:28] <JamieBennett> lool: still installing but I'll check
[20:40] <lool> plars: I had a successful time keep on 2.5
[20:40] <lool> plars: I only unplugged for 10 seconds
[20:40] <lool> But I unplugged everything
[20:40] <lool> and booted without network and time/date was kept
[20:46] <JamieBennett> lool: booted the installed image, saw GDM briefly then blank screen :(
[20:46] <lool> Oh you did see it
[20:46] <lool> JamieBennett: I personally suspect the depth changes
[20:47] <lool> JamieBennett: I think I'll try with mxcfb on the cmdline
[20:47] <lool> JamieBennett: Did you manage to login etc.?
[20:47] <JamieBennett> lool: saw the image but no text i.e. the box, backdrop but nothing else then flickered out
[20:47] <JamieBennett> no, saw it for 1/2 second or so
[20:48] <lool> JamieBennett: Sorry, I mean can you fix the time/date frm console?
[20:48] <lool> Cause I found it quite hard to workaround the date/time issues
[20:50] <JamieBennett> can't even login in at the moment (from another console). Its not accepting the password I set it to
[20:51] <plars> lool: so are you thinking that all of our batteries are just failing?
[20:57] <JamieBennett> lool, date from the console worked fine
[20:58] <JamieBennett> (with a sudo and a password change again)
[21:02] <lool> plars: So you lost hte date?
[21:03] <plars> lool: yes, that's what I was saying this morning
[21:03] <lool> plars: I kept my 2.5 off for 10 minutes or so and it kept time/date
[21:03] <lool> plars: Who else has the issue?
[21:04] <lool> plars: We see the issue JamieBennett and I on 2.0, but I kind of expected that it would be poorly supported
[21:04] <lool> plars: Might be good to test your voltage
[21:04] <plars> lool: ah, this morning it sounded like you were also having the clock issue
[21:04] <JamieBennett> So we have failing batteries again? Was is ever fixed?
[21:04] <lool> plars: One thing you might want to try is booting the board without network and DVI and plugging them after some 5 seconds
[21:04] <lool> plars: I had it ... on 2.0
[21:04] <lool> plars: But 2.0 is so broken, you can't imagine
[21:04] <lool> plars: And I think I found my problem with 2.5
[21:05] <lool> plars: What I thought were corruptions aren't
[21:05] <lool> What was happening was a heisenbug which resolved itself after I rewrote my SD card
[21:05] <plars> ok, really hoping this is just my battery
[21:05] <lool> But actually it didn't change anything
[21:05]  * JamieBennett waits for a 2.5 next week
[21:05] <lool> I just had luck booting the second time
[21:05] <lool> Now I can consistenly boot my 2.5 fine IF I unplug network and DVI
[21:06] <lool> If I keep them both, it often fails
[21:06] <plars> lool: what about if you just keep one of them?
[21:07] <plars> lool: did you ever solder those connections for the ground issue? could be the same thing we saw before on the network
[21:07] <lool> plars: I need to try; I had the impression network was a worse offender and it's brought up by redboot
[21:07] <plars> oh, so you're getting power on, just failing later
[21:08] <lool> I'm pretty sure redboot doens't touch dvi so I would blame the network powe consumption, unless power is misconfigured on shutdown and the config is preserved across power off
[21:08] <lool> I never soldered the grounding stuff
[21:08] <lool> True
[21:08] <lool> I wonder whether I should be soldering by 2.0 now
[21:09] <lool> I'm a software guy!  I'll try mxcfb= first   :-P
[21:09] <lool> God it's 10pm and I didn't manage to test UNR and Dove yet
[21:10] <plars> lool: I just managed to finish installing dove, hit a ubiquity issue
[21:11] <plars> I was wondering if it was due to the new stuff michael worked on, but the second time through it worked for me
[21:11] <plars> we'll see if it boots now
[21:14] <lool> plars: I could boot 2.5 with just network unplugged; not a 100% test but it looks like it's the main issue
[21:15] <lool> JamieBennett: are you using a USB hub?
[21:15] <JamieBennett> for keyboard and mouse only
[21:15] <JamieBennett> thumb drive is plugged directly in
[21:16] <lool> I wonder whether it's causing the excessive power pull
[21:17] <lool> I reproduced the IO errors on SATA port with the new cables
[21:17] <lool> Cursor spins, then if I try to switch to console it hangs and I can't SSH
[21:19]  * lool hugs his 2.5
[22:19] <playya> hmm. io errors with sata cabels? i'm fighting with this error, too
[22:19] <playya> already ran a fsck for days without a result
[22:20] <playya> lool, do you think i should exchange my cables?
[22:28] <lool> playya: You have a Babbage 2.x?
[22:28] <lool> playya: We have a very specific issue with Babbage boards; it doesn't relate to the cables but we need special cables to use its SATA port
[22:28] <lool> The port works fine most of the time, except when opening a GNOME session
[22:35] <playya> lool, ah ok. i have a problem with a MyBook disk on my PC :(