[00:48] <jfry_> Can someone tell me, are the dialy builds actually weekly builds or are they daily?  I installed the latest and seeking is broken... it was fixed upstream but there are no new daily builds in the last 28 hours.
[00:50] <mersault> jfry_: I think they're rebuild once per day, if the SVN rev number has changed
[00:51] <jfry_> That
[00:51] <mersault> I don't know what time the cron job kicks off at though.
[00:51] <jfry_> oops... that's what I thought too... but it has been 28 hours, and most automated processes don't use fuzzy logic like that.
[00:53] <mersault> yes, but it's the time since the last SVN change, not the last package building, that is important
[00:53] <foxbuntu> jfry_, they are not weekly
[00:53] <jfry_> Well... actually it's been 28 hours since the current daily build revision was complete... there was another change posted within an hour afterward... so I know the current daily build pulled its source 28 hours ago... not sure when the package became available... but 4 hours seems a little long.
[00:55] <jfry_> I'm just anxious... the spousal unit was frustrated today and I promised to fix it tonight.
[00:55] <foxbuntu> jfry_, the build take awhile to run because they get queued in LP
[00:56] <jfry_> ahh... so it could really take a few hours then... OK... I'll be patient, so long as they are available from the PPA repo tonight.
[00:57] <foxbuntu> jfry_, unless something happens with the build it should be there
[00:57] <jfry_> Thanks foxbuntu, good to have someone in the know.
[00:57] <foxbuntu> jfry_, np
[00:57] <jfry_> foxbuntu, only minor changes to the SVN... so I can't imagine the build failing.
[01:00] <foxbuntu> jfry_, indeed
[01:00] <kaeles> ok, weird question, I got 9.10 working mostly now, but it will not scan the videos directory, i have it mounted via nfs, and it shows the files there, so its mounted correctly, but mythfrontend is not showing any files existing in the directory, any clue?
[01:01] <mersault> kaeles: I found it easier to move to storage groups
[01:01] <kaeles> how does that work in the frontend?
[01:02] <kaeles> should it just autodetect them?
[01:02] <mersault> it's all backend magic.
[01:02] <mersault> basically, you setup the storage groups (if you installed from scratch they're already defined for you)
[01:02] <kaeles> ok
[01:02] <mersault> they're configured on the backend. on the frontend, DON'T mount the nfs volumes.
[01:03] <mersault> if the frontend thinks it can find them locally, it will.
[01:03] <kaeles> ok, ill try that, i have the backend mounted via nfs as well
[01:03] <kaeles> all my media is on a seperate nas
[01:03] <kaeles> cause my backend is running on my vmware machine
[01:04] <kaeles> and it doesn't have any disks since I have 2 of them, they mount all thier drives via ataoe from my nas
[01:04] <mersault> aha, so I'm not the only crazy guy running a virtualized backend
[01:04] <kaeles> :)
[01:04] <kaeles> i swear, mythtv is the goofiest thing sometimes
[01:04] <mersault> I went with Xen though
[01:04] <kaeles> ah, yea, i looked at xen, but I've used vmware before, and im lazy
[01:04] <kaeles> :P
[01:05] <mersault> I tried vmware, but found the performance wasn't satisfactory
[01:05] <kaeles> ok i'll just try the storage groups then
[01:05] <mersault> even in Xen, when using HVM it isn't quite good enough
[01:05] <kaeles> well, i've got a quad core with 8gb ram, so its not too bad :P
[01:06] <mersault> same here
[01:06] <mersault> it was IO
[01:06] <mersault> Xen with PV backend seems to work *really* well
[01:07] <hads> What about tuners?
[01:07] <kaeles> oh i dont have any tuners
[01:07] <kaeles> so its different for me
[01:07] <hads> So what's the point of using myth?
[01:07] <mersault> HDHR works great :)
[01:07] <kaeles> i thought about moving to boxee for all this, but I've used mythtv for while
[01:07] <kaeles> and it actually works on older hardware
[01:08] <mersault> I also have PCI-passthrough working, so if I got a PVR150 or something, I could pass it through to the guest
[01:08] <kaeles> plus it has builtin stuff for diskless booting
[01:08] <hads> I quite like moovida for just media
[01:08] <kaeles> i may look into it
[01:09] <hads> It's currently missing digital audio and VDPAU but apart from that it's nice.
[01:09] <kaeles> i use neither, so no biggie
[01:09] <hads> I use it in a couple of rooms for mostly music and the odd video, the interface is a lot nicer than myth for music (that's not too hard though)
[01:10] <hads> Doesn't work with myth's upnp server unfortunately, myth and coherence don't like each other for some reason.
[01:11] <hads> But all my media is NFSable anyway.
[01:11] <kaeles> yea, the frontend is still not finding the video files even using the storage groups
[01:14] <kaeles> i know the video manager is deprecated now, but i still am getting no files found when i goto the view videos thing :|
[01:19] <kaeles> nevermind
[01:19] <kaeles> i am just retarded
[01:19] <kaeles> :D
[01:19] <kaeles> mersault: thanks for that, it will make adding the other frontends supa easy
[01:29] <mersault> kaeles: glad to hear it worked for you.
[01:41] <kaeles> only thing not working as far as i can tell now is its not pulling the pictures with the metadata
[01:41] <kaeles> but compared to .21 its amazing :P
[01:42] <hads> Check the log
[01:43] <kaeles> yea, i hadn't got that far yet, i think it may have something to do with my storage groups
[01:46] <hads> The frontend log will show it downloading images etc.
[01:46] <hads> The backend log will show it saving the images to the SG
[01:46] <kaeles> the storage group directories did not exist for those, so it wasnt downloading them
[01:46] <kaeles> its working now
[01:46] <kaeles> thanks though :)
[01:47] <hads> I thought it saved them to the videos storage group if they didn't exist. Oh well.
[01:47] <kaeles> 9.10 is so shiney D:
[01:47] <kaeles> yea, the wiki says it does, but it wasnt pulling them for some reason
[01:50] <kaeles> oh actually, the MCC doesnt work to install anything now that I thought about it, i had to install all the themes and lirc stuff via cli
[01:50] <kaeles> it acts like its installing it, but i left it from 8 am trying to install lirc till i got home at 530
[01:50] <kaeles> and it didnt do anything
[01:50] <kaeles> what does MCC itself have logs I could peer into to see whats going on, or is that gonna be an apt/aptitiude thign?
[01:52] <hads> I seem to recall there's a MCC_DEBUG_SOMETHING variable or some such.
[01:52] <hads> But I don't really use it myself.
[01:53] <kaeles> righto
[01:53] <kaeles> i'll see what i can see, thanks for the help
[02:04] <OsKa> hi.  anybody using the wiimote as the remote for thier mythbuntu ?
[02:11] <MythbuntuGuest55> hello all
[02:11] <MythbuntuGuest55> D= I have a problem
[02:12] <MythbuntuGuest55> Whenever I boot the mythbuntu disc, I choose english for language and from that point, no matter if I pick live cd or install options, I get an error before anything else
[02:13] <MythbuntuGuest55> [     0.452010] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[02:15] <pache> Hi. I bought an harmony 610. What can I use as IR reiceiver? where can I find documentation?
[02:23] <OsKa> a wiimote
[02:23] <OsKa> what is a harmony 610
[02:23] <OsKa> nm
[02:24] <la_poisse> a logitech harmony = universal remote control
[02:27] <foxbuntu> la_poisse, the common receiver is the Windows MCE hardware, I know it to work with the Harmony remotes
[02:30] <la_poisse> nice
[02:30] <la_poisse> can I buy it alone you think?
[02:32] <foxbuntu> la_poisse, usually not, they come in remote/receiver packs
[02:32] <foxbuntu> la_poisse, you should be able to pick one up for ~30USD online though
[02:33] <kaeles> is there a way to "redo" my mythconverg database?
[02:34] <foxbuntu> kaeles, what do you mean "redo"
[02:34] <kaeles> just delete and restore the schema
[02:35] <kaeles> there is some metadata stuff that is broke im pretty sure, because going into the view videos on the frontend locks it up, i was adding metadata when it started happening
[02:35] <foxbuntu> kaeles, restore data or back to the defaults, as in its be modified
[02:35] <kaeles> back to defaults
[02:35] <kaeles> i dont want to restore data
[02:35] <kaeles> just delete it all and start from scratch
[02:35] <foxbuntu> kaeles, so you plan on losing all your DB info correct?
[02:36] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:36] <kaeles> yes
[02:36] <kaeles> i just installed like a few hours ago, so its not a big deal if the db info is gone, i just jacked someting up :P
[02:36] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:37] <foxbuntu> kaeles, sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database
[02:38] <kaeles> mmm
[02:38] <kaeles> its wanting to remove the mythtv-backend-master pkg as well
[02:38] <foxbuntu> thats fine
[02:38] <foxbuntu> you will just reinstall them both
[02:38] <kaeles> ok i was just a little worried :P
[02:44] <kaeles> awesome works again
[02:45] <kaeles> one last question, is there  a way to make mythfrontend start automatically without doing it in the MCC
[02:45] <kaeles> cause my MCC is not working correctly
[02:47] <superm1> kaeles, what's wrong with mcc's way of doing it?
[02:47] <superm1> what's happening?
[02:47] <superm1> it's some pretty straightforward logic....
[02:47] <hads> It would do a 'cp /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop .config/autostart/' or something?
[02:48] <superm1> it's just a symlink actually
[02:48] <superm1> but yeah that would achieve it too
[02:48] <hads> That's what I was going to say but then I looked in mine and it was a file. I must have done that myself.
[02:52] <tmkt> odd problem with mythlcdserver - recordings/time show up on the lcd
[02:52] <tmkt> but menu options - and current show when watching live tv, or videos..don't
[03:00] <ourtv> i still can't figure out how to get boxee on the mythtv menu in 9.10!  i'm a dorg
[03:03] <superm1> the syntax for editing the menus changed from 9.04 to 9.10 i thinks
[03:09] <Seventoes> nobody's checked out bug #452779 yet? :-/ anyone know what could be wrong? i'd really like to get 9.10 working
[03:09] <Zinn> Bug 452779 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Scanning for channels hangs on channel 1 with PVR-150" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/452779
[03:11] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, Im gonna guess channel 1 is VOD service with your cable provider, the cable box does not respond to normal channel changer commands after it goes to VOD, thus the hang
[03:11] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, don't scan channel 1
[03:12] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, start at channel 2
[03:13] <Seventoes> does 0.21 handle that differently? cause it works fine in my current install
[03:14] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, it really depends on your channel changer, cable box, tuner, ect
[03:14] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, just set our guide to start at channel 2
[03:14] <foxbuntu> your*
[03:15] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, why are you scanning on us-cable-hrc
[03:16] <Seventoes> doesnt the 'start at channel' thing only let me pick channels that have been scanned already?
[03:16] <Seventoes> ill set up 9.10dev on another partition and give it a shot
[03:16] <Seventoes> because us-cable-hrc is what works for me?
[03:16] <Seventoes> thats what my current setup is using
[03:18] <foxbuntu> Seventoes, I mean setup your data source to start at channel 2, this way channel 1 doesnt even show up
[03:18] <foxbuntu> then the tuner wont get stuck on it
[03:23] <Seventoes> k i'll try it, thanks :)
[04:23] <Seventoes> foxbuntu`: how do i do that? :-/
[05:26] <OpenMedia> Any one tried to upgrade a 0.20 database to 0.22 under Mythbuntu?
[05:26] <OpenMedia> Had some odd issues with the backend trying to upgrade the schema.
[05:30] <mrand> Howdy OpenMedia, if you are sure that you didn't make any manual changes, the mythtv-devs would probably like to hear about your problem - well, assuming it isn't one that is already fixed.
[05:32] <mrand> For example, here is a change that went in today: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22550
[05:42] <ToeBee> boo! I need faster USB. It is going to take me over 2 hours to dd my drive to the 1TB drive in my external enclosure
[05:42] <ToeBee> oh well guess I need to go to bed anyway
[05:42] <mrand> Sure you're on a USB 2.0 port?
[05:44] <ToeBee> USB 2 only does 60 MB/sec
[05:44] <ToeBee> well optimal... I'm guessing you get less in practice
[05:44] <mrand> Yeah, it'll still take a long while.  No denying that!
[05:44] <ToeBee> 320 GB drive
[05:45] <ToeBee> hmm wait... if I ran it through gzip...
[05:45] <ToeBee> empty drive space will compress *extremely* well :)
[05:46] <mrand> Yeah, nearly any compression scheme should be able to handle that easily.
[05:48] <SpicyLemon> On the MythTV frontend, is there a way to change the length of time that commercial notification stays on the screen?
[05:49] <ToeBee> hmm I thought gzip was fast. Seems to be CPU bound at 12 MB/sec now
[05:49] <ToeBee> SpicyLemon: I believe so... don't remember where off the top of my head though
[05:51] <SpicyLemon> I found where I can change the number seconds prior to the commercial break it shows up, but I can't figure out how to make it stay up longer.
[05:51] <ToeBee> ah that's probably what I was thinking of
[05:51] <SpicyLemon> I'm hoping that it's just editing some config file somewhere, but I'm not sure where to start looking.
[05:53] <Seventoes> installed 9.10 and have all the updates, i'm not getting any sound :(
[05:56] <ToeBee> man... sound seems to be a major issue in 9.10
[05:56] <hads> I haven't had any issues here, apart from my old frontend was muting on boot but that wasn't hard to solve.
[05:56] <Seventoes> looking at ubuntu forums it seems ivtv has 'mute' set to 1 by default.. gotta install ivtv-tools and set it to 0.. trying that now
[05:59] <ToeBee> I had no sound for a while. Now it is working but still affected by bug 382140
[05:59] <Zinn> Bug 382140 in linux (Ubuntu) "karmic: high-pitched noise from snd-hda-intel" [Undecided, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/382140
[06:00] <Seventoes> eww
[06:01] <ToeBee> well it only happens when no sound is playing and only if power saving is enabled
[06:02]  * ToeBee wonders how much power the sound card actually takes
[06:02] <Seventoes> how can i test if my sound is working without starting up mythfrontend?
[06:02] <ToeBee> find a .wav file and use aplay in a terminal
[06:02] <Seventoes> k
[06:04] <SpicyLemon> look for /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[06:04] <SpicyLemon> that's the one I usually use for testing.
[06:05] <ToeBee> yeah that works
[06:05] <Seventoes> thanks.. it's definitely not working :(
[06:05] <ToeBee> copy it to your homedir for quicker access if you're testing a lot :)
[06:06] <Seventoes> once it's working i'll be peachy :P
[06:06] <Seventoes> ivtv's 'mute' is set to 0 so that's not the problem :-/
[06:06] <ToeBee> all the mixer channels up? for stereo sound the end volume may be affected by master, pcm and front channels
[06:07] <ToeBee> the "front" channel had me confused for a while
[06:09] <Seventoes> that was it! thanks :D
[06:10] <Seventoes> yay! I's happy now
[06:10] <SpicyLemon> does anyone know where settings are actually saved for the myth front end?
[06:10] <Seventoes> tomorrow i get the equipment i need to finally hook this thing up to my TV instead of a monitor next to the tv :D
[06:11] <Seventoes> gnight... thanks ToeBee
[06:12] <ToeBee> oh hey I fixed something!
[06:12] <ToeBee> SpicyLemon: I believe in the mysql database
[06:13] <SpicyLemon> a bummer, I was hoping it was a flat-file.
[06:18] <ToeBee> the menus and themes are but I think the actual settings are in the db
[06:19] <ToeBee> this is a good page to have handy when searching for settings: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detailed_configuration_Frontend
[06:19] <SpicyLemon> yeah, I found that earlier, it doesn't mention the thing I want to change.
[06:20] <ToeBee> so wait... if you tell the ad notification to pop up a minute before the ad break, it will still only stay on the screen for a few seconds?
[06:20] <SpicyLemon> yup
[06:21] <ToeBee> hmm at first thought that actually seems kind of broken to me
[06:21] <ToeBee> I would think you would want the default to be "stay on the screen until the ad break starts"
[06:22] <SpicyLemon> yeah, that's what i thought too.
[06:22] <SpicyLemon> I'm hoping that it's not just some hard coded value somewhere. I have a bad feeling it is though.
[06:25] <SpicyLemon> any thought as to the default backed db password?
[06:26] <ToeBee> I think it is randomly generated. But it is stored in a conf file
[06:26] <ToeBee> I think in ~/.mythtv/ somewhere. My mythbox is down at the moment for a drive backup so I can't look at the moment
[06:27] <SpicyLemon> ahh, found it. Thanks!
[06:27] <SpicyLemon> .mythtv/config.xml
[06:29] <SpicyLemon> hmmm... maybe I'll find something in here that will have it not show certain movies in my media library too.
[06:30] <ToeBee> I think there is a setting for that
[06:31] <SpicyLemon> there is, but it doesn't seem to work.
[06:31] <ToeBee> hmm that wiki page has nothing about the video manager settings
[06:31] <ToeBee> oh? I thought I had it working
[06:31] <SpicyLemon> I think the video manager is technically just a plugin.
[06:34] <mrand> Parting note as I walk away  off to bed: there used to be a setting in the same screen as the metadata stuff which made a video invisible.  And then of course, you have the PIN/parental control levels.
[06:34] <ToeBee> I remember it in the filetype config
[06:35] <ToeBee> you could tell it to ignore certain file extensions
[06:35] <ToeBee> SpicyLemon: hmm I wonder if it is just being treated as a normal OSD and using that fade time
[06:36] <SpicyLemon> eh, they're all avi. It's just that some of the movies have two avis, a part 1 and part 2. I've turned "Browsable" off for the part 2s, but they still show up.
[06:36] <SpicyLemon> ToeBee: You may be on to something. let me change that and see.
[06:37] <ToeBee> ah. I usually just wanted to hide things like .sfv and .rar files
[06:38] <SpicyLemon> bah... that didn't seem to do it.  It put it up, then it dropped virtically off the screen rather than faded.
[06:39] <ToeBee> err... ok that seems odd
[06:41] <SpicyLemon> nm... looks like it was the normal fade effect. Let me change it, then restart the frontend.
[06:54] <SpicyLemon> It doesn't look like the commercial notification uses the Playback OSD time-out settings.
[06:54] <SpicyLemon> also, I just noticed that it's not showing me how long the commercial break is any more. eh... I think I'll poke at it tomorrow.
[06:56] <ToeBee> heh
[06:56] <ToeBee> I should go to bed as well
[06:56] <SpicyLemon> ahh, looks like that last bit had to do with the theme. I changed themes and it's showing, it's just not staying up very long, heh.
[06:59] <SpicyLemon> have a good one! thanks for the help.
[07:05] <merkur2k> hey theres people here :)
[07:06] <merkur2k> i am experimenting with the 9.10 beta, but i notice there are no mythbuntu entries in sources.list
[07:06] <merkur2k> what are they? :)
[07:06] <merkur2k> i added the missing medibuntu entries already
[07:15] <hads> merkur2k: Why do you need mythbuntu entries?
[07:15] <merkur2k> tried to install plugins and it complained about apt
[07:16] <hads> Sense make not
[07:16] <hads> Everything you need is in the standard repositories, unless you want daily/weekly builds etc.
[07:17] <merkur2k> well i checked off a couple plugins that arent there by default and it complained about apt, so something is wrong
[07:17] <merkur2k> i got the same error when trying to install w32codecs and libdvdcss2 until i added medibunt repos
[07:18] <merkur2k> so i assumed its still missing a repo
[07:18] <hads> Without the actual error no one will be able to help, 'complained about apt' doesn't really mean anything.
[07:20] <merkur2k> ill get the exact error again once im done scanning channels
[07:21] <merkur2k> does it log anything during that process?
[07:31] <merkur2k> looks like disabling password protect on mythweb doesnt quite work. apache is still configured to require a password, but there is no digest file
[07:34] <merkur2k> "could not mark all packages. check your repository lists for universe, multiverse, and main. perform a packagelist update as well."
[07:42] <merkur2k> after running mythtv-setup and adding my tuners and then letting it run mythfilldatabase, frontend and backend give the error: "This application is not compatible with the installed MythTV libraries. Please recompile after a make distclean"
[07:43] <merkur2k> 2009-10-20 23:40:55.793 Application binary version (0.22.20090928-1) does not match libraries (0.22.20091008-1)
[08:04] <hads> Sounds like a broken mirror
[12:51] <Mysterious> join the www.worldcommunitygrid.org and help conquer cancer
[13:05] <MrEgg964> Hi all :) I've updated my ./lirc/mplayer file, so as to add a couple of new commands. Now if I sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart, LIRC gets restarted, but the remote control no longer works. If I reboot, everything goes back to normal, with my new commands. Any idea how to restart lirc without having to reboot the pc? TIA
[13:16] <MrEgg964> Correction : the remote actually reacts properly, its mythfrontend that doesn't. Restarting mythfrontend takes care of the problem.
[20:25] <olejl> Is there any available dbg packages for mythtv on mythbuntu 9.10?
[20:26] <olejl> I am struggling with a segfault which I would like to get a backtrace of...
[20:32] <mrand> yes, please hold!
[20:34] <mrand> 1. if you have something in /var/crash, install the appropriate ddebs from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/   (hint: you might need libmyth-0.22-0, among other more obvious ones)
[20:34] <mrand> 2. while doing that, install apport-retrace
[20:36] <mrand> 3. and then run "sudo apport-retrace -s /var/crash/CRASHFILE"    perhaps use -sv if you are on a slow connection.  -p <package>  (like -p mythvideo) may provide even more info.
[20:36] <mrand> 4. attach to a ticket
[20:37] <mrand> I'm relaying these instructions... I haven't had a chance to try it myself, but someone else did and it seemed to work.
[20:37] <mrand> Obvious step 3 is after installing ddebs in step #1 as well as #2.
[20:39] <hads> Also, mythplugins is ../ from that URL
[20:40] <mrand> Thanks hads
[22:36] <tgm4883> Looking for 9.10 RC amd64 testers
[22:36] <tgm4883> you can grab the potential RC at
[22:36] <tgm4883> !dail%
[22:36] <Zinn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/
[22:36] <tgm4883> and follow the tests here
[22:36] <tgm4883> !QA
[22:36] <Zinn> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/mythbuntu/all
[23:04] <CyberKnet> later folks