[00:29] <ryanakca> ... many canadian cities have forts... Kingston (several, Henry, Frontnac, Frederick, etc.), Quebec, Halifax, Montreal, etc., huge ditches, deep limestone walls, towers and all the trimmings
[09:20] <MenZa> Morning jussi01 :)
[10:08] <vox> sigh
[10:14] <MenZa> vox: such children these days. :(
[10:14]  * MenZa goes for breakfast.
[10:14] <vox> i asked nicely
[10:14] <vox> but no
[10:14]  * vox shrug
[10:15] <jussi01> vox: have you checked your bans in #ubuntu to make sure any old/stale ones are removed?
[10:15] <vox> i.. dont think i've banned anyone
[10:16] <vox> oh wait, i did a couple of days ago
[10:16] <vox> my first #ubuntu ban
[10:16] <vox> oh how my heart fluttered
[10:16] <bazhang> hehe
[10:17] <gord> thats not because of the ban, ubuntu op stress is just getting to your major organs
[10:19] <vox> that's.. a big banlist
[10:19] <jussi01> vox: hence we want you to keep your bans clean
[10:20] <vox> nod
[10:24]  * MenZa , again, mentions how freenode needs a Super-Duper-HIGHLY-extended banlist.
[10:24]  * tonyyarusso guesses there are bans in there from people who aren't even opping anymore
[10:24] <vox> what's the stance on multiple clients from the same source address?
[10:24] <jussi01> MenZa: nope, it just needs people to take care of bans...
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> I'd disagree MenZa - bigger banlists just let us be lazier.
[10:24] <jussi01> vox: allowed, but not too many...
[10:24] <MenZa> hmm
[10:24] <MenZa> I suppose
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> I'll bet 50% of the ones currently standing don't actually need to be there.
[10:25] <jussi01> vox: whats freenodes policy? ;)
[10:25] <jpds> MenZa: Again, we do have a super banlist.
[10:25]  * MenZa proposes a bantriage!
[10:25] <jpds> MenZa: Freenode only allows 50 bans a channel, with the +L mode, we're allowed 200, I believe.
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> We need some peons to do menial labor of comparing every single ban to bantracker notes
[10:25] <jussi01> MenZa: be my guest... if you can rally everyone to actually look at their bans...
[10:25] <MenZa> I'd be happy to run though some of them.
[10:26] <MenZa> It's no different than doing a five-a-day.
[10:26] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: or we cauld write some software to do it :P
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Feel free?  (I couldn't)
[10:26] <MenZa> It doesn't seem like that much of a chore.
[10:27] <vox> jussi01: several
[10:27] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: we are currently testing some stuff that will help people keep track of it better
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> nifty
[10:27] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: and also, you realise you can search by operator in the bt?
[10:27] <MenZa> on +b, ubottu should prompt user for a ban reason => simple!
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Yeah - I usually do that for my own, but I don't think everyone does.
[10:28] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: Honestly, many of the tools exist, but people dont know about them, dont use them or are just lazy
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: see above comment that I think some people may have bans who aren't even active, or cases like vox where someone random may place and ban and completely forget about it.
[10:29] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: Ive checked - there are only a few like that - at least in #ubuntu
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: agreed, but pinpointing that some people aren't taking care of their own doesn't make our massive banlist shorter - only actions do.
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Good to know.
[10:32] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: this is mostla a caser of people just not doing it. Now as I said, we are working on tools to make this easier - if you have time and coding ability we would love to have you contribute.
[10:32] <Flannel> jussi01: I do!
[10:33]  * Flannel has been meaning to get around to mentioning that since that email...
[10:33] <jussi01> Flannel: excellent! also, I notice you had a few bans the other day... have you cleaned up?
[10:33] <Flannel> I don't have any recent bans I don't think, but I'll be sure to take a look
[10:34] <bazhang> I've got two quiets, one of which I was advised to leave longer term; sniper_jesus ' one
[10:35] <Flannel> Wow, spaceghost is quite rude.
[10:53] <jussi01> Flannel: and anyone else interested, feel free to join #ubuntu-bots-devel
[11:59] <bazhang> eyes on hajuu in -ot
[12:14] <MenZa> he was in #u earlier as well
[12:14] <bazhang> muted now in PM
[12:15] <MenZa> muted?
[12:15] <bazhang> err quieted?
[12:21]  * MenZa tilts head
[12:21] <MenZa> i.e. /ignore -QUERY? :p
[12:23] <gord> "muted, now in pm" i guess
[12:24] <MenZa> interesting.
[12:46] <pleia2> jpds: will need to restart the ubot, I had to reboot the server this morning (sorry for not warning you)
[13:04] <jpds> pleia2: That's fine, hit it.
[13:11]  * jpds unconfuses himself.
[13:12] <jpds> pleia2: Should be coming back now.
[13:12] <pleia2> :)
[15:02] <MenZa> *sigh*
[15:10] <MenZa> hello, Hajuu.
[15:10] <Hajuu> Hi
[15:10] <bazhang> Hajuu, you were asked repeatedly to remain on topic and yet continued nonetheless
[15:10] <Hajuu> I wasnt the only one though.
[15:11] <Hajuu> I think you're being a bit short sighted ;)
[15:11] <Hajuu> I'm not some kind of.. irc martr
[15:11] <bazhang> you have a long history as well
[15:11] <Hajuu> Sure, of being banned for answering 'off topic' questions, as randomly deemed.
[15:11] <Hajuu> I dont see why in a general ubuntu channel
[15:11] <Hajuu> I cant discuss gaming on ubuntu
[15:11] <Hajuu> no less when literally probably 5 people were discussing it
[15:11] <bazhang> lesbians is not on topic
[15:11] <Hajuu> yet I was the only one silenced.
[15:12] <Hajuu> I posted that in offtopic ;)
[15:12] <Hajuu> also
[15:12] <Hajuu> I thought it was a genuine distribution and was having a 'wtf' moment
[15:12] <bazhang> you fooled with the bot in #ubuntu doing that
[15:12] <Hajuu> How's that?
[15:13] <Hajuu> Meh it really doesn't seem important anyway. You claim it was offtopic, I claim it was not. To me in either case, a few hours silenced is sufficient.
[15:13] <Hajuu> I can either help, or not.
[15:13] <MenZa> Hajuu: You're not in a position to put forth ultimatums.
[15:13] <Hajuu> Doesn't seem worthy of spending time discussing however.
[15:14] <MenZa> Noone's forcing you to stay.
[15:14] <Hajuu> *shrug* it makes no difference to me, like I say I wanted to be unsilenced from #ubuntu so I could help someone.
[15:14] <Hajuu> I'm not trying to be like that heh
[15:14] <bazhang> Hajuu, you are not interested in re-joining the channel (ie being unmuted)?
[15:15] <Hajuu> But surely over a disagreement of content matter, isn't worth me spending time actively trying to be unsilenced after hours. To me, the few hours silence is punishment enough.
[15:15] <Hajuu> I wasn't spamming or being a neusance
[15:15] <Hajuu> I was trying to assist someone.
[15:16] <MenZa> Hajuu: #ubuntu doesn't operate with a karma system. It's not like you help someone, and then you're allowed to break a rule or two.
[15:16] <Hajuu> Whether gaming in ubuntu is offtopic or not is the issue, and whether that warrents an ongoing silence or a few hours. That's your decision.
[15:16] <MenZa> Hajuu: You abide by the rules, or you don't.
[15:17] <Hajuu> *shrug* like I say, its a difference of opinion in my view.
[15:17] <Hajuu> I wasnt 'breaking the rules' I was discussing an ubuntu-related activity
[15:17] <MenZa> You're not in a position to argue your opinion.
[15:17] <Hajuu> in a general ubuntu chat room
[15:17] <Hajuu> ...
[15:17] <MenZa> #ubuntu is not general in any case.
[15:17] <Hajuu> Ok. Great.
[15:17] <Hajuu> Very diplomatic.
[15:17] <MenZa> It's a *support* forum.
[15:17] <Hajuu> "We're right. you cant disagree or else!"
[15:17] <Hajuu> Thanks.
[15:18] <MenZa> Hajuu: The IRC Council, who created these rules, were appointed by the community. The community set these rules.
[15:18] <MenZa> I also suggest you read the Code of Conduct and IrcGuidelines before you continue
[15:18] <MenZa> !coc | Hajuu
[15:18] <MenZa> !guidelines | Hajuu
[15:18] <MenZa> That should help you get started.
[15:18] <Hajuu> Id rather not waste any more time, thus why I was propositioning you, as you put it.
[15:18] <Hajuu> don't worry, I wont help in there, and im sure you wont care.
[15:18] <Hajuu> Good day.
[15:19] <MenZa> Some people...
[17:05] <nalioth> they are joining and being klined as they join
[17:05] <MenZa> :)
[19:03] <mneptok> Hajuu also seems to have been off-topic and decidedly unhelpful in -server, GWIW
[19:03] <mneptok> s/G/F/
[19:18] <ikonia> concur
[19:19]  * jussi01 bites ikonia
[19:19] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[19:19] <ikonia> sure sure
[19:30] <MenZa> mneptok: Indeed.
[19:30] <MenZa> mneptok: That's why I took the hard approach.
[19:30] <mneptok> MenZa: oh, did you ban/remove him from -server?
[19:30] <MenZa> No
[19:30] <MenZa> Just the above log
[19:32] <MenZa> mneptok: I have no authority in server. :)
[19:32] <MenZa> mneptok: To put it bluntly, I'm expecting him to continue where he left off in -ot, though.
[19:32] <ikonia> he's been quiet in server for a while now
[19:32] <MenZa> Oh.
[19:32] <MenZa> Speak of the devil.
[19:33] <MenZa> See -ot.
[19:34] <mneptok> no.
[19:34] <mneptok> i haven't seen -ot in months, and it's going to stay that way ;)
[19:34]  * jussi01 ban forwards mneptok to -ot :P
[19:35] <MenZa> mneptok: The moment I finished writing the above lines, I tabbed to /w 7
[19:35] <MenZa> [2009-10-21 18:31:43 UTC] < Hajuu> you become a lvl 9 asstaco.
[19:35] <MenZa> [2009-10-21 18:31:47 UTC] < Hajuu> How does that feel?
[19:36] <mneptok> +b
[19:36] <MenZa> removed for now.
[19:36] <ikonia> damn it
[19:36] <ikonia> no grunt in -server
[19:36] <ikonia> I thought I had that
[19:36] <MenZa> There we go, banned
[19:36] <mneptok> same here
[19:37] <ikonia> help in -server please
[19:37] <ikonia> Pici: jussi01 elky Pici
[19:37] <mneptok> !ops | Hajuu -server
[19:37] <ikonia> I'll check what happened to my rights in -server
[19:38] <ikonia> niko: big thanks
[19:39] <mneptok> niko: /k please?
[19:40]  * MenZa sighs.
[19:41] <ikonia> he's long gone
[19:41] <niko> sorry, he floods me a lot
[19:41] <niko> on pv
[19:44] <niko> do you want me to change the ban ?
[19:45] <niko> like Hajuu*!*@* perhaps ?
[19:45] <ikonia> you're call
[19:45] <ikonia> your
[19:55] <mneptok> Pici: ping
[20:15] <MenZa> niko: I just have *!*@hostmask in -ot.
[20:16] <MenZa> Hajuu*!*@* is just.. bad in some way :\
[20:16]  * MenZa dislikes nickbans - they're the last resort.
[20:25] <mneptok> *!*dfgt@*.dyn.iinet.net.au