[00:36] <Saj0577> hey guys/girls anyone around got few questions :)
[00:37] <LaserJock> Saj0577: shoot
[00:38] <Saj0577> just looking at the website (as well as the xubuntu) and noticed the content is not exactly upto date and just wondering who responsible for keeping it up to date really is it the commmuinity or canonical
[00:39] <LaserJock> the community
[00:39] <LaserJock> and yeah, there is some out-datedness for sure
[00:39] <Saj0577> yeah seems the ubuntu one is the only one thats kept upto date which is a bit poor
[00:40] <LaserJock> well, they have a full time webmaster
[00:40] <LaserJock> and a number of marketing people
[00:40] <Saj0577> is it because people forgot or there just simply is not the people to do it do you know?
[00:41] <Saj0577> only seems to be the blog/news thats kept upto date on the variants
[00:54] <Lns> Saj0577: take a look at the edubuntu-users list and you'll find some discussion regarding the website updates
[01:02] <Saj0577> Lns: okay il take a look now. cheers.
[01:03] <LaserJock> Saj0577: it's quite a bit of work to keep everything going
[01:03] <LaserJock> Saj0577: and since we're all volunteers with limited time it's often a matter of "getting around to it"
[01:04] <LaserJock> we're also not professional website maintainers for the most part
[01:04] <LaserJock> so not a lot of hands, not a lot of time, lots to do, and a lot of other things that need doing
[01:05] <Saj0577> LaserJock: well if thats the case do you guys need a hand? I would not have a great deal of time to provide to edubuntu as a whole but i could certainly keep the website upto date in some spare time i coudl find.
[01:25] <LaserJock> Saj0577: that's certainly something that could be discussed. I'd email the edubuntu-devel lists with your thoughts
[01:26] <Saj0577> LaserJock: cheers. is it a open ML i.e so i dont have to wait to be authorised
[01:27] <LaserJock> Saj0577: as long as you subscribe to the list first you can post freely
[01:27] <Saj0577> oright cool cheers.
[01:27] <LaserJock> everybody is more than welcome to participate on edubuntu-devel
[02:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ping
[03:36] <jbicha> LaserJock: good evening
[03:41] <LaserJock> jbicha: hi
[03:42] <jbicha> LaserJock: I'm a bit worried that we'll know how to do what you do as you're leaving to focus on other things
[03:42] <LaserJock> well
[03:42] <LaserJock> I don't plan on never returning email
[03:43] <jbicha> I can go ahead and ask in #ubuntu-devel if anyone's willing to sponsor my moodle pre-depends patch, right?
[03:43] <LaserJock> I'm going to hopefully spend this weekend with sbalneav and stgraber at a conference
[03:43] <LaserJock> jbicha: I think it's too late for Karmic
[03:44] <LaserJock> jbicha: but for sure it would be good to look at that first thing for Lucid
[03:44] <LaserJock> jbicha: I'm concerned that there might be something deeper going on
[03:44] <LaserJock> for instance, we're moving it from Recommends to Pre-depends
[03:45] <jbicha> ScottK said yesterday (today your time) that bug fixes don't need feature freeze exception up until ~Sunday
[03:45] <LaserJock> now Recommends should mean that it (the DB servers you've moved) shouldn't be necessary to run
[03:46] <jbicha> my patch seems pretty simple to me
[03:46] <LaserJock> obviously we have a situation where moodle won't even *install* without them, which makes me wonder what has gone on
[03:46] <LaserJock> the patch itself is simple
[03:46] <LaserJock> but this late in the game I'm very hesitant to upload something that invasive
[03:47] <LaserJock> I tried to ask the release manager before, I'll try again now
[03:47] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[03:48] <LaserJock> but we kind of have some bigger issues too right now
[03:48] <LaserJock> I have yet to have a successful install of what is supposed to be our Release Candidate
[03:48] <jbicha> really? it works for me
[03:48] <LaserJock> kinda
[03:49] <LaserJock> there are all these language packs
[03:49] <LaserJock> and packages are not getting removed as they are supposed to
[03:49] <LaserJock> *and* the LTSP install I just did is completely borked
[03:49] <LaserJock> it won't even start GDM
[03:50] <jbicha> my Acer Aspire One won't really start GDM off the Ubuntu live CD...but it actually runs the installed Karmic fine
[03:55] <jbicha> I thought the lang pack issue was partly the ubuntu-edu-primary and -preschool's fault recommending the gcompris languages
[03:55] <jbicha> where do you even fix the DVD issues?
[03:58] <LaserJock> jbicha: !!
[03:59] <LaserJock> jbicha: you're absolutely right
[03:59] <LaserJock> darn it darn it darn it
[03:59] <LaserJock> how am I going to fix this?
[03:59] <LaserJock> hmmm
[04:00] <LaserJock> I didn't read all the way to the end of your bug report, sorry
[04:01] <jbicha> sorry I didn't emphasize it more; I usually skim-read myself too
[04:01] <LaserJock> so the options are
[04:02] <LaserJock> 1) revert the change of adding the lang packs to the gcompris-sound-*
[04:02] <LaserJock> 2) only have ubuntu-edu-* depend on gcompris-sound-en and put the rest as .debs on the DVD
[04:07] <jbicha> it looks like the "incomplete language packages" add up to 408MB / 1425MB installed
[04:08] <jbicha> yeah, why does gcompris-sound-pt for instance depend on language-pack-gnome-pt-base ?
[04:08] <LaserJock> jbicha: the release manager said we want Depends, not Pre-depends
[04:08] <LaserJock> to get the translated text
[04:14] <jbicha> LaserJock: Debian has the same issue with moodle in sid, at least
[04:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:16] <jbicha> because I tested both my bugs with sid
[04:22] <jbicha> LaserJock: what they're saying is that the moodle packaging needs to check if the database is running, and if not, to start it ?
[04:27] <jbicha> LaserJock: I can try adding the db as just a depends instead of recommends, unfortunately I have to leave for work soon
[04:30] <alkisg> sbalneav: ping?
[04:30] <LaserJock> jbicha: yeah, go for it
[07:41] <alkisg_work> Good morning
[15:04] <LaserJock> anybody try installing LTSP from the DVD?
[16:50] <jbicha> LaserJock: "depends" works fine for the moodle issue
[16:51] <LaserJock> jbicha: k
[16:58] <jbicha> LaserJock: sorry for the trouble, I do understand depends a bit better today though
[17:00] <LaserJock> well, it didn't occur to me that depends would be different than recommends that way
[17:02] <jbicha> I think slangasek is happier with the patch now too
[17:05] <LaserJock> yeah, I would imagine
[17:22] <LaserJock> ok sweet, we got 100% testing coverage
[17:30] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you here?
[17:31] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[17:31] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we need to start working on the release notes and release announcement
[17:31] <LaserJock> and getting the website ready (front page and download page at least)
[17:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok, I'll be spending focus on the MC meeting in just a few minutes though
[17:32] <LaserJock> oh?!
[17:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: in terms of website it feels apprpiate though to start over
[17:32] <LaserJock> is that in #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think it's mc meeting in a few minutes
[17:33]  * highvoltage scrambles for diary and wiki pages
[17:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, in ~27 minutes, #ubuntu-meeting
[17:51] <jbicha> I don't know if it's appropriate for release notes, but SchoolTool does not yet work with the upgraded Zope packages in Karmic, so anyone dependent on that should hold off on upgrading
[17:52] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm not sure if that's something we should mention or not
[17:52] <LaserJock> presumably SchoolTool will fix that at some point
[17:56] <jbicha> they've begun work on fixing that, and they said their goal is to be in the official repositories for Lucid
[17:56] <LaserJock> good
[17:56] <LaserJock> it's been a long time
[17:56] <jbicha> since they aren't in the repos now, it probably doesn't meet the threshold, but how popular is it anyway?
[17:57] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[17:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: imho it would be something quite important to mention
[17:57] <LaserJock> why?
[17:57] <LaserJock> SchoolTool is not an Ubuntu problem
[17:57] <LaserJock> and if they fix it in a month or two
[17:57] <highvoltage> oh wait, schooltool isn't in the archives? yeah then you're right
[17:57] <highvoltage> sorry
[17:57] <LaserJock> then our release notes are then wrong
[17:58] <LaserJock> I'd rather them just fix it :-)
[17:58] <highvoltage> It's been a while since I used schooltool so I didn't realise it's not in the archives anymore, my bad
[17:58] <LaserJock> it hasn't been in the archives for a few years now ;-)
[17:59] <LaserJock> they never could get it to work with Ubuntu's version of zope
[17:59] <LaserJock> so they forked it
[17:59] <highvoltage> heh, I think I actually last used it when it was still installed with edubuntu by default :)
[18:00] <highvoltage> zope sounds so messy. it's supposedly very good but it seems to cause lots of pain for those who use it
[18:03] <LaserJock> I'm kinda worried that LTSP install won't work from the DVD
[18:03] <LaserJock> davmor2 didn't have problems but in my Virtualbox installs the resulting desktop won't log in
[18:03] <LaserJock> it just throws a bunch of gconf errors