[02:27] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: ScottK Riddell, any known issues for Karmic rc that need to be added to the wiki? I can't think of any
[02:30] <ScottK> claydoh: The first three listed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bugs?field.searchtext=kubuntu&orderby=-date_last_updated&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field
[02:30] <ScottK> .assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY ought to be listed, plus the OOo-KDE table corruption bug
[02:31] <ScottK> claydoh: I asked the Ayatana folks for an input.  They said they'd have something in the morning tomorrow.
[02:32] <claydoh> wow what a mouthfull ;)
[02:32] <ScottK> Yeah, that's to LP and it's compact URLs.
[02:33] <ScottK> claydoh: The ext4 corruption bug is really important because that's the default disk format
[02:37] <claydoh> ScottK: so bug #432384
[02:38] <claydoh> ScottK: so bug #256245
[02:38] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:38] <ScottK> Although the actual notes need work.
[02:38] <claydoh> and then #330824
[02:38] <ScottK> Yeah
[02:40] <ScottK> claydoh: The OOo one is Bug 452518
[02:41] <claydoh> thnks
[02:42] <claydoh> ScottK: the ext4 bug is still valid for Karmic?
[02:42] <ScottK> That may not be the right one.  Let me check
[02:44] <claydoh> launchpad is not being kind tonight
[02:44] <ScottK> claydoh: Wrong bug.
[02:44] <ScottK> Sorry about that.
[02:44] <claydoh> found the right one
[02:45] <ScottK> claydoh: 453579
[02:46] <ScottK> 439357 isn't so great either.
[02:50] <ScottK> Reading 453579 to the end is a bit scary
[02:51] <claydoh> ouch
[03:01]  * JontheEchidna hasn't trusted /home to ext4 yet
[03:02] <claydoh> my lappy currently has everything on one ext4 partition
[03:03] <claydoh> but that is temporary
[03:10] <ScottK> My netbook has ext4, but I don't put anything on that I care about.
[03:10] <ScottK> When I installed my daughter's new netbook last night, I used ext3.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> If / gets fried due to ext4, I do have /home on a separate partition and I'll only have to reinstall
[03:34] <claydoh> well the cat's aready out of the bag :(
[03:35] <jjesse> and what cat is that?
[03:35] <claydoh> our recent hush-hush project on the -devel list
[03:35] <jjesse> someone post that to auser list or a blog?
[03:35] <jjesse> i just saw the email a bit ago
[03:35] <claydoh> no, kubunti forums
[03:36] <jjesse> ah even better
[03:36] <jjesse> istill haven't written my thoughts on it
[03:37] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3107135.0;topicseen
[03:37] <claydoh> somehow the subject of mono made its way into that thread
[03:37] <ScottK> Are we in favor or against?
[03:38] <claydoh> i dunno
[03:38] <claydoh> and i prob don't care
[03:38] <jjesse> oh well /me beds
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> So it looks like kubuntu-grub-splashimages totally does not work with grub2
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> it's never been terribly well maintained-- anybody want to adopt it or should I file a removal bug?
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is bug 445529 a dupe of the one that was fixed?
[03:48]  * ScottK looks
[03:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yep.
[03:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I just duped it.
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[03:54] <lex79> I think there is nobody who wants to take care of kubuntu-grub-splashimage package, really we don't care about much of default splash even :P
[03:55]  * ScottK votes for removal
[03:55]  * lex79 +1
[03:56] <ScottK> Of course I tend to favor removals anyway.
[03:56]  * ScottK has ~ half a dozen pending right now
[03:58] <lex79> I forgotten that I reported this: bug 443386
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> removal it is
[03:58] <lex79> yay
[03:59] <lex79> ubottu :(
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> LP's been doing that a lot this week
[03:59] <ScottK> lex79: LP has been slow all day (even more than usual)
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah, today especially
[04:00] <lex79> I realized :)
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> I must say most of the FTBFS fixes I've done this cycle are removal requests
[04:04] <JontheEchidna> KDE3 didn't fare too well during the rebuild, hopefully we'll see a removal of the ancient ones that fail from debian
[04:05] <ScottK> They are freezing in March for Squeeze, so that should help.
[04:47] <shtylman> 8 days till I format my computer again... :)
[05:01] <shtylman> no slideshow for kubuntu this cycle though :(
[05:01] <shtylman> will have to tackle that next cycle...
[05:41] <superm1> are you guys using upstart for starting kdm nowadays?
[05:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[05:46] <superm1> Cool thanks
[05:46] <superm1> i'm wondering why ubiquity still has support for only-ubiquity mode w/ non-upstart scenarios
[05:47] <superm1> xubuntu, mythbuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu all use upstart login managers then
[05:47] <superm1> and i think i just hit a race condition bug from having both
[08:20] <agateau> morning!
[08:21] <agateau> ScottK: I want to make some screenshot of the Ayatana work,
[08:21] <agateau> Should I set up my desktop to default settings or is it ok to have a custom wallpaper for example?
[08:24] <ScottK> agateau: We generally like to show stuff off with default Kubuntu look in the screen shots.  Just make a new user.
[08:24] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[10:22] <Mamarok> Riddell: you around?
[10:23] <Mamarok> I have a problem with the Qt folders...
[10:24] <Mamarok> which is there since I installed your K3b to test, can't build Amarok anymore now
[10:29] <Mamarok> I have a whole folder missing (or rather a symlink): /usr/include/qt4/phonon/ is there, but I should also have /usr/include/qt4/Qt/ which is missing
[10:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: what version of qt do you have?
[10:32] <Mamarok> what's the command again to print that out? Should be 4.5.2, no?
[10:33] <Mamarok> this is a plain Karmic installation, I didn't add any other Qt, only a local Amarok install from git
[10:34] <Riddell> apt-cache policy libqt4-phonon-dev
[10:34] <Mamarok> 4.5.3
[10:34] <Mamarok> karmic main packages
[10:35] <Riddell> Mamarok: full version no?
[10:36] <Mamarok> that's the output: http://pastebin.com/d711078c9
[10:37] <Riddell> mm, that's the one from my PPA
[10:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: can you pastebin  dpkg -L libqt4-phonon-dev
[10:38] <Mamarok> here you go: http://pastebin.com/df42e5f
[10:41] <Riddell> Mamarok: mm well the phonon headers have indeed changed quite a bit there
[10:42] <Mamarok> bad, I can't compile Amarok anymore now
[10:42] <Riddell> Mamarok: phonon headers are a mess, the trolls keep changing where they say they should be
[10:42] <Riddell> with literally every release
[10:42] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[10:43] <Riddell> Mamarok: that's the 4.5.3 package you were testing for me so I guess we could declaire the test failed and we'll go with 4.5.2 in karmic
[10:44] <Riddell> Mamarok: in which case you can disable my PPA in sources.list and try to force a downgrade to 4.5.2
[10:44] <Mamarok> ok, will try that
[10:45] <Riddell> Mamarok: downgrades are tricky, you'll probably need to wget the 4.5.2 files .deb files from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11 and dpkg --install *deb
[10:46] <Mamarok> or do a fresh install, since my /home is on a separate partition anyway :)
[10:47] <Riddell> Mamarok: I hear there is a release candidate coming out today :)
[10:47] <Mamarok> oh, good news, so I can test that at the same time :)
[10:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: presumably our 4.5.3 package has the phonon headers where they are because that's where Qt has put them for this release, so something in Amarok or KDE probably does need to be changed to look for them there
[10:48] <Mamarok> seems so, but that whole Phonon stuff is a mess anyway, since there are two phonons, a KDE and a Qt one
[10:48] <Riddell> right
[10:49] <Riddell> and when even thiago doesn't know the correct location for header files, you know it's a mess
[10:49] <Mamarok> heh
[10:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: I guess what is up currently already is the RC, right?
[10:58] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes
[11:24] <jussi01> got my first fsck on karmic today... looks like an issue to me : http://imagebin.ca/view/0LY2kR.html
[11:26] <jussi01> also, my lancelot menu's are a little messed up, putting menu's on tope of each other. Ill try get a screen shot of it and file it on a bug also
[11:26] <davmor2> jussi01: popey bugged it
[11:26] <jussi01> davmor2: the fsck thing?
[11:26] <jussi01> davmor2: have you a number?
[11:26] <davmor2> jussi01: yeap just getting it
[11:27] <davmor2> jussi01: bug 457496
[11:28] <jussi01> nice
[11:40] <ScottK> agateau: I do run into a problem with the MI that if I get an IRC ping and I go to read it via some method other than the MI, the dot stays on the envelope.
[11:40] <ScottK> This is with Quassel.
[11:44] <jussi01> davmor2: and others: http://imagebin.ca/view/dfyQTAl1.html <-- screenie of the second issue. I have that on both home and here at work.
[11:45] <davmor2> jussi01: I don't see that Riddell^
[11:46] <ScottK> Someone care to look into mlt and kdenlive updates?  I thought Tonio was, but I guess not.
[11:49] <Riddell> I've never used lancelot
[12:05] <jussi01> whers JontheEchidna when we need him...
[12:06] <Riddell> asleep?
[12:08] <jussi01> probably :P
[12:25] <Riddell> stonkingly good ISO test coverage for the RC, thanks to ScottK and brot and davmor2 and mcas and anyone else who did that
[12:25] <brot> :) no problem Riddell
[12:26] <davmor2> :) just finishing off now :)
[12:45] <agateau> ScottK: oh, I thought I fixed that
[13:15] <Mamarok> brilliant, just had an installer crash apparently :( It's stuck with detecting the file system at 11%
[13:16] <Mamarok> any way to continue from here?
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: never seen that one before
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> and yes, I was asleep :)
[14:35] <ghostcube> neversfelde: have you tried minitube so far i found out how to direct play any postet youtube links just copy the vid=  amount of numbers to the search field
[14:36] <ghostcube> :)
[15:20] <neversfelde> ghostcube_: a package is in my ppa (and the first bug reports in my inbox^^), but I haven't testet it much so far
[15:30] <freeflyi2g> ScottK: i got kubuntu running on freesclae's board
[15:30] <ScottK> freeflyi2g: \o/
[15:30] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:31] <Riddell> freeflyi2g: that's an ARM board?
[15:31] <ScottK> Riddell: It is
[15:32] <freeflyi2g> Riddell: yes
[15:32] <Riddell> sweet
[15:32] <freeflyi2g> ScottK: seems default theme missed in 20091019's daily build
[15:32] <ScottK> freeflyi2g: That is excellent news.
[15:32] <freeflyi2g> ScottK: it failback to use CDE
[15:32] <ScottK> freeflyi2g: There should be a 1022 build.
[15:32] <Riddell> ScottK: which reminds me, did you answer my question about what we expect for the kubuntu netbook arm image?
[15:32] <ScottK> Running is running.
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: What was the question?
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I expect it to be for experimentation.
[15:33] <freeflyi2g> Riddell: all kwin's effection can't be used so far
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: are we expecting it to be tested, working etc
[15:34] <Riddell> freeflyi2g: I wouldn't expect them to
[15:34] <ScottK> Riddell: What just happened was about as much as I was hoping for.
[15:34] <Riddell> right
[15:34] <Riddell> freeflyi2g: take some photos of the board and KDE showing so we can blog!
[15:35] <freeflyi2g> Riddell: ok
[15:35] <Riddell> assuming it's not under some NDA evilness
[15:35] <freeflyi2g> Riddell: its not
[15:38] <ScottK> freeflyi2g: Would you mind joining us in #kubuntu-netbook?
[15:41] <Riddell> Mamarok: how was the install?
[15:41] <Mamarok> well, I had an installer crash right before it installed grub, had to start over
[15:42] <Mamarok> and lost the output, sorry
[15:43] <Riddell> Mamarok: live CD or text install?
[15:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Could you take a whack at bug 447275?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is RC released yet? I believe I have a fix just waiting for RC freeze to be over
[15:47] <ScottK> No, but it can go in the queu
[15:47] <ScottK> e
[15:47] <Mamarok> live CD of today
[15:47] <Mamarok> daily iso actually
[15:50]  * JontheEchidna wonders what to do about bug 454406
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins packaging was monolith'd by debian, so we lost the singular konq-plugin-searchbar package
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins itself is 2.5 MB installed, and contains all the plugins
[16:00] <ghostcube> neversfelde: bug reports :O
[16:01] <ghostcube> havent noticed any till now :D
[16:01] <ghostcube> i havent tried youre ppa package
[16:01] <ghostcube> :)
[16:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we have konq-plugins on the CD (due to konqueror-plugin-searchbar still being in the seeds)
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wonder why the searchbar is missing for that one user then
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please do me a favor and binary New unbound.  I forgot it was going to need that.
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: konq-plugins fix attached to bug 447275
[16:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is it in bar too?
[16:19] <ScottK> bar/bzr
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> oh right, we have a bzr repo now
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> that's sorta sad, seeing as I registered the branch
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> ok, pushed
[16:23] <ghostcube> boah new launchpad outfit isnt so nice as the one before
[16:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: we should propose a "complete KDE experience DVD iso", takes ages to get all packages back when you reinstall :(
[16:24] <Mamarok> ghostcube: no, I don't like it, neither, and my avatar has gone :(
[16:26] <ghostcube> Mamarok: ? what tool ?
[16:26] <ghostcube> minitube ?
[16:26] <Mamarok> ghostcube: launchpad
[16:26] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[16:26] <ghostcube> yeah its a bit strange to handle
[16:26] <Mamarok> that's the last thing you just said :)
[16:27] <ghostcube> hehe yeah i just recognized it
[16:27] <ghostcube> :)
[16:27] <Mamarok> it looks cleaned up at first sight, but one has to search more to find stuff now
[16:27] <ghostcube> yep
[16:28] <ghostcube> searching packages and the details for a package need to be clicked thats not logically :D
[16:28] <ghostcube> heh
[16:29] <Riddell> Mamarok: what are you missing?
[16:31] <Mamarok> well, the columns are not resizale, so my wiki name overlaps to the next column (see my profile), then my avatar has gone
[16:31] <Mamarok> but I'm on edge, could be that
[16:32] <Mamarok> the "Participation field takes away space and is not really necessary since there are the links on top, and it's too big a font
[16:32] <ScottK> Launchpad is much more javascripty than it used to be and the JS library they picked doesn't seem to be very Konqueror friendly.
[16:33] <Mamarok> the links on top had a color bar, that is gone, too
[16:33] <Mamarok> ScottK: I talk about Chrome...
[16:33] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:35] <ScottK> agateau: The dot sticking around with Quassel is not consistent.
[16:35] <ScottK> I'll see if I can figure out a reliable trigger.
[16:35] <agateau> ScottK: ok, thanks
[17:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: konq-plugins uploaded.  thank you
[17:22] <stikonas> packagekit in Kubuntu Karmic is still not working, isn't it?
[17:22] <Riddell> stikonas: yes it is
[17:23] <ScottK> It works to the extent it is designed to.  Some of us are more and some less satisfied with that.
[17:35] <Riddell> Mamarok: I mean what are you missing from a "complete KDE experience DVD"?
[17:35] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, all the apps in main that are not in there by default, as well as koffice
[17:35] <Mamarok> the games, edu packs, etc
[17:35] <ScottK> Riddell: I think a DVD metapackage to install it all.
[17:35] <Mamarok> all KDE :)
[17:36] <Mamarok> there still is the old koffice in main, and the new one in universe, a bit strange, no?
[17:37] <ScottK> Mamarok: Not strange.  That's what upstream requested.
[17:37] <Mamarok> hm
[17:37] <Mamarok> that made sense back when it was not release, but since it now is...
[17:37] <Mamarok> released*
[17:38] <Riddell> it's just yet another bit of KDE 4 transition pain.  they don't want 2.0 to be in main
[17:38] <Mamarok> *shrug*
[17:39] <Mamarok> anyway, the live CD installs a tiny bit of what KDE is only, so offering a DVD iso would be nice
[17:39] <Riddell> we do have a DVD iso
[17:39] <Riddell> which includes all of the KDE main modules (except kdewebdev and kdetoys)
[17:39] <Mamarok> oh, now I look stupid, didn't even know that :)
[17:40] <jussi01> hehe
[17:40] <Riddell> it's not well publicised, I think most people don't want to download 4GB to get an OS installed
[17:41] <Mamarok> I don't mind, since an iso is down in a few minutes here, so 4 Gb is not that much more
[17:41] <Mamarok> I think we should talk about it more often
[17:44] <Riddell> our sysadmins hate it because it eats up so much bandwidth
[17:53] <jussi01> wow, thats a short topic. what happened to "kubuntu rocks" etc?
[17:53] <jussi01> and welcome to #kubuntu-devel?
[17:54] <Riddell> everyone goes all serious around release time
[17:55] <jussi01> and that makes us rock less? :(
[18:02] <jussi01> Riddell: rofl!
[18:02] <jussi01> reminds me of that episode of the it crowd... :P
[18:03] <jussi01> this one-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWc3WY3fuZU
[18:08] <dpm> hey apachelogger, the kubuntu-firefox-installer translations have all been imported. Due to a bug in LP (can't find it right now) when you export translations in a tarball they get named templatename-ll.po (where ll is the language code). In fact, they should be named just ll.po, because if they are then uploaded as templatename-ll.po the auto-approver script has a hard time figuring out the language they should be imported in. So it's best to rename
[18:08] <dpm> all files to the appropriate ll.po langcode before a manual tarball upload. I manually approved all of them and I see only 3 of them still need to be imported, so we should be good to go.
[18:09] <debfx> if someone is interested: I created a PPA that contains firefox with the KDE integration patches from openSUSE: https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde/
[18:10] <ScottK> debfx: Now that the RC is about out, how about an updated brightness patch?
[18:22] <debfx> ScottK: I already switched to the kmix osd
[18:23] <ScottK> debfx: Where is it?
[18:24] <debfx> though I need to know if the osd is only displayed when the fn keys are pressed
[18:25] <ScottK> I can test it.
[18:26] <debfx> is that the case in the current version? did your fn keys work before the patch?
[18:27] <ScottK> They did work before
[18:27] <ScottK> So I guess I can't test that
[18:28] <debfx> that's good, because mine didn't work before
[18:28] <ScottK> OK.  So we have one of each to test.
[18:29] <debfx> I suspect that there are at least 3 different hardware types:
[18:30] <debfx> 1) changes the the brightness in the hardware when fn-key is pressed but still sends the fn key event
[18:30] <debfx> 2) doesn't change the brightness and just sends the key event
[18:30] <debfx> 3) sends the fn key event on every brightness change
[18:31] <Riddell> Nightrose: who's a good contact for kubuntu-de?
[18:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: good question...
[18:33] <Nightrose> since czessi vanished i'm not sure
[18:33] <Nightrose> i'd try neversfelde for example
[18:33] <Nightrose> or Blizzz
[18:33] <Blizzz> i was highdarked!
[18:34] <debfx> I don't think there is a way to distinguish between actual and fake key presses for class 3 and thus it's not possible to display the osd
[18:34] <Blizzz> Riddell: i am
[18:34] <debfx> ScottK: so is the osd only displayed on fn-key presses on your laptop?
[18:35] <ScottK> debfx: Yes.
[18:48] <debfx> ScottK: current version of the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299214/
[18:57] <Riddell> we could do with Kubuntu variants of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:57] <Riddell> hmm, but no claydoh to poke into doing it :)
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> so, buffer overflow crashes may be serious, yes?
[19:13] <ScottK> Yes
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> bug 456904, upstream has a fix
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> should be thrown the security team's way?
[19:14] <ScottK> Sounds like a decent RC upload.
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> or a potential fix, anyways. they haven't closed their bug yet
[19:15] <ScottK> IIRC the fact that it was detected means it's not a security issue
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> I'll testbuild the patch and throw it up in bzr
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Upstream has a fix for bug 457255 too, I'll do that one next
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> (crash on pasting clipboard contents to device)
[19:19] <apachelogger> uhhh
[19:19] <apachelogger> buffer overflow
[19:20]  * apachelogger just had a discussion about that kind of bug :D
[19:20] <apachelogger> I suppose I am feeling like doing actual work today
[19:20] <apachelogger> so, where am I needed?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> Could a core-dev sponsor kdebase from bzr?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> it has a patch drop, so you'd like it apachelogger
[19:21] <apachelogger> I see
[19:21]  * apachelogger needs to update his freeze information first :D
[19:22]  * JontheEchidna snores as the monstrous kdeedu tarball continues to download
[19:23] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-rc (not yet on front page)
[19:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: needs final freeze exception I suppose
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: who can give that?
[19:23] <apachelogger> release team
[19:23] <Riddell> moi?
[19:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's fine to upload and it'll get reviewed in the queue.
[19:24] <apachelogger> if you are in the release team
[19:24] <apachelogger> I see
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: basically the fix for bug 453874
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> (drop the patch, then we test on low-mem systems)
[19:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploading
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^^
[19:25] <apachelogger> so, what real work do we have to do?
[19:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I take it you've tested it to fix the crash?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you could apply the upstream fix for kde bug 211357
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes, I think scottk might have as well
[19:26] <apachelogger> real work
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: testcase: set folderview to /, hover over /lost+found
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> crashes plasma with the patch, doesn't without the patch
[19:27] <apachelogger> apparently that real work stuff doesnt work out
[19:27]  * apachelogger goes back to thinking
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> ah, dammit. I forgot to look into fixing userconfig l10n
[19:28] <apachelogger> yay
[19:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Update mlt/kdenlive?
[19:28] <ScottK> Tonio was going to, but never got to it apparently
[19:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: write a main inclusion report for openjpeg to give poppler decent jpeg2000 support
[19:29] <apachelogger> there you have it
[19:29] <apachelogger> lp needs a team management solution
[19:30] <apachelogger> jonny forgot to fix l10n, tonio did not get to update mlt/kdenlive and we are in constant need of MIR but no one ever feels like it
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> putzing around investigating the darkroom ftbfs due to rosetta setup cost an evening, that's for sure. (It probably would have been too late even then though...)
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> granted the bug was in the app's messages.sh script, but it's in universe
[19:33] <Riddell> I'm going for a canoe, if the announce comes through on ubuntu-devel-announce feel free to push the kubuntu.org story
[19:36]  * JontheEchidna can't, since the pass doesn't work for him anymore
[19:37] <apachelogger> +`
[19:37] <apachelogger> +1 even
[19:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I can do it.
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm about to push the kdebluetooth patch to my ppa, would you be able to test (I think you have a bluetooth device?)
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> bug 457255
[19:44] <ScottK> RC announcement is on kubuntu.org
[19:44] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[19:45] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> E: kdebluetooth source: quilt-series-references-non-existent-patch kubuntu_01_fix_clipboard_send_crash.diff
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> E: kdebluetooth source: quilt-series-references-non-existent-patch kubuntu_02_document_path.diff
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> oh I see
[19:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I do have a device.
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> edited the wrong one in patches/series
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> up goes ~ppa2
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 418342 might be real work
[20:03] <apachelogger> oh
[20:03] <apachelogger> who did that
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> the problem is that there's no good way of knowing what needs done
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> the bug tracker obviously fails at that
[20:08] <apachelogger> stupid malone
[20:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go read the comments
[20:08] <apachelogger> lazy lad he is
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fix in the pipeline
[20:11] <apachelogger> ohh
[20:11] <apachelogger> look at that
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna caused the bug :P
[20:11] <apachelogger>   * Make akonadi-server depend on mysql-server-core-5.1 rather than the whole
[20:11] <apachelogger>     mysql-server package
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm, oops
[20:12]  * JontheEchidna was speaking more in general about "nobody knows what needs to be done"
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, that is why lp needs work force management stuff
[20:13] <apachelogger> not all triaged bugs necessarily require attention of the whole team
[20:13] <apachelogger> yet some do at a larger scale than others, which still do require larger attention but not as large...
[20:14] <apachelogger> i.e. you need a way to manage the resources and help to distribute spent time
[20:14] <jjesse> especially for someone who does not have a lot of time to comitt to working on bugs or the best knowledge to triage them like me
[20:18] <apachelogger> whoops
[20:18] <apachelogger> just uploaded akonadi
[20:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: akonadi in queue
[20:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: I can reject it if you want?
[20:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna may direct all attention to getting it out of the queue because he disrupted me while answering mails
[20:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: no, it needs to get in
[20:19] <apachelogger> I just wanted to file an exception request
[20:19] <apachelogger> I can live without one :P
[20:19] <ScottK> OK.  I can't accept it since it's in Main.
[20:20] <ScottK> Riddell can do it when he gets back.
[20:25] <zorael> Should wishlist entries for the new knetworkmanager go to the kubuntu-devel mailing list? Launchpad seems difficult to post to without using ubuntu-bug.
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> zorael: preferrably to bugs.kde.org\
[20:36] <ScottK> Hey look: We got a powerpc Live CD and only a little oversized: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/
[20:37] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> testers for kdebluetooth wanted: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> testcase: try to send clipboard contents to your bluetooth device, if it doesn't crash the fix works
[21:19] <zorael> JontheEchidna: can't tell if the clipboard content was actually transfered (target device doesn't support it), but the app didn't crash
[21:29] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks for publishing the story
[21:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the website passwords havn't changed, but it only works using konqueror
[21:29] <ScottK> Riddell: No problem.  Glad the password worked.
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> that's... interesting, to say the least
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> usually it's the other way around
[21:32] <Riddell> I've no idea why it is, maybe the sysadmin team were implementing Kubuntu themed security through obscurity
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> could I get a sponsor for bug 457255?
[21:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sure
[21:40] <Riddell> uploaded
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[21:43] <debfx> ScottK: so what do you think about the updated patch? the fix for the MSI Wind seems to work
[21:43] <ScottK> debfx: Got tied up with work.  Didn't get a chance to try it.
[22:18] <Riddell> armel build of kdebase-runtime 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3  hmm
[22:43] <Riddell> ooh our first bit of feedback "+ * Very good release."
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> That's always nice :)
[23:05]  * JontheEchidna will bet 5 internets that usrlp will go to the feedback page and beg for KPackageKit 0.5 before final release
[23:20] <stikonas> btw, why kubuntu 9.10RC shipped with broken KPackageKit? I can fix it for myself, but many less advanced testers won't be able to easily update
[23:21] <ScottK> stikonas: What's broken that's fixable?
[23:21] <ScottK> debfx: I'm test building now.
[23:22] <stikonas> it doesn't work for me at all because of some syntax errors in /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/aptBackend.py
[23:22] <stikonas> I had to comment out lines 52-56
[23:23] <stikonas> am I the only one experiencing this?
[23:24] <ScottK> stikonas: Would you please pastebin what you have there
[23:25] <stikonas> ScottK: http://pastebin.ca/1638652
[23:26] <stikonas> these are errors from packagekitd --verbose
[23:26] <ScottK> stikonas: What happens if you add import socket near the top of the file?
[23:27] <stikonas> it is already there
[23:27] <ScottK> Oh.
[23:27]  * ScottK looks some more
[23:28] <maco> stikonas: are you saying you know how to patch it?
[23:28] <ScottK> Damn.  Packagekit is 8 megabytes of fail.  It'll be a little while where I am now.
[23:28] <stikonas> I've just commented out those lines that generate errors
[23:28] <stikonas> it seems that they do some logging
[23:28] <maco> oh
[23:28] <maco> so not actually fixed the errors
[23:29] <stikonas> correct
[23:30] <ScottK> At this point it might be an acceptable workaround.
[23:30] <maco> is the problem that logs are being spammed or that its breaking?
[23:30] <ScottK> Packagekit download is proceeding at roughly 5% the speed of dialup.
[23:30] <ScottK> Yeah broadband.
[23:31] <ScottK> Could be the Canonical data center is slammed too.
[23:31] <stikonas> maco: kpackagekit refuses to do anything at all, it just exits silently
[23:31] <maco> how does commenting out logging help?
[23:32] <stikonas> everything seems to work, because apt backend doesn't exit with error
[23:33] <ScottK> 57%
[23:48] <ScottK> Gotta run.  Will have to look at it later.
[23:50] <stikonas> And I have to sleep, will return tommorow