=== sean is now known as Guest19538 [00:15] when i try to run jaunty headless, everything seems to work ok except plasma wont start, all my apps still open up onscreen. any ideashow to get plasma to start headless? [00:16] sorry but what is 'headless' ? [00:16] tred: with out a monitor? [00:16] yes [00:16] where would i find kubuntu cd art? [00:18] tred: i'm guessing your running it in a virtualmachine and x-forwarding? [00:18] how u know that 'everything open up onscreen except plasma' without monitor ? [00:18] i use vnc to log in from my xp machine [00:18] cool [00:19] its a normal kubuntu install with x11vnc autostarting [00:19] tred: r u using x-forwarding ? [00:19] not that i know of [00:20] whatever apps i had running when i shut down restart fine and i can use them and console, but the desktop itself wont start [00:20] tred: where r u running kbuntu, virtualmachine ? [00:20] no virtual machine [00:20] i know with kubuntu one can create customized menus. does the menu allow you to leave it on the menu, but simply hide an icon per user [00:20] its a a separate pc [00:21] tred: i have a old PC whose 2 pins of monitor-cabinet socket are broken [00:21] tred: so it don't show good graphics, all seems too dark [00:22] ive seen where i might can make a dumnmy vga plug, but im hoping i can get it done in the software [00:22] tred: i think now i can access that pc from my iMac if u will elaborate little more what should i do? [00:22] Um, no, that's going to be a hardware fix. [00:23] roKB, do what i did, install x11vnx, and use tightvnc viewer on ur good pc [00:23] tred: no, i don't want to go near that pc except booting [00:23] tred: i will put my servers on that pc :) [00:23] tred: will it show real time desktop graphics ? [00:24] yes [00:24] specially on a 100mbps network :P [00:24] * roKB thanks tred for his help [00:25] wait a sec and and i will give u the command string i use [00:25] nightwlkr: ofcourse i have my systems on lan not on modems :) [00:26] x11vnc -rfbauth /home/tred/.vnc/passwd -forever -tightfilexfer [00:26] u have to set up own passwd first [00:26] roKB: then it will b in real time possibly with minor flickering [00:26] tred: its for starting vnc on kubuntu, right ? [00:27] right [00:27] after u install the x11vnc package [00:27] tred: i hope it usage will be in man pages ? [00:28] if i remember right i had to change the permissions on my home/.vnc folder before it would let me set a password [00:28] the x11vnc homepage is good too [00:29] night all and good luck roKB [00:29] tred: thanks a lot [00:29] nightwlkr: thank u too :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:30] the -forever part is needed to keep it from shutting down when first vnc wiewer leaves === sean is now known as Guest35274 [00:30] and the -tightfilexfer lets u send files from ur good pc to the x11vnc machine [00:32] so far only thing stopping me from being headless is plasma wont start [00:33] tread: did kbuntu jaunty worked well ? [00:33] release canidate comes out tomorrow? === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [00:33] i like it mostly, not too sure yet if i like the plasma desktop [00:34] i m using beta release with daily update [00:34] i may install intrepid on anoth hdd i have laying around and see which one i like better [00:34] and starts to like plasma [00:35] do u any site like futuredesktop.org which guides step-by-step to configure kubuntu to a usable state ? [00:35] futuredesktop is for ubuntu [00:35] i had trouble at first with resolution changes on reboot, but thats cuz im using a KVM switch, i edited xorg.conf and fixed that problem [00:36] nope, im just scratching my ass and digging around on the net, hehe [00:36] will vnc allow me to run it full screen on my iMac ? [00:36] it will very close to full screen [00:37] it depends on how u have ur viewer set up [00:37] can i watch movies remotely too, so i don't have to create samba share [00:39] i dont know if the speed is good enough for that [00:39] i think i watched a youtube vid in browser other day ok, but thats not a regular movie === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [00:49] 700MB movie RIP have bitrate of 1200kbps roughly, it should run fine on 100mbps LAN infrastructre [00:54] anyone know what would be similar to the "run" function in Windows in kubuntu [00:55] and where to find the wine directory in kubuntu [00:55] Zuz|Kubuntu: ? [00:55] wine is found in ~/home/user/.wine [00:55] installed a windows game and want to play it? [00:56] nope [00:56] im trying to run x-lite 3 for windows on kubuntu [00:56] i cant seem to get any soft phone to work with broadvoice on kubuntu [00:56] but i can with windows [00:57] i installed Keiga with adept, it says its installed, but i cant find it anywhere on this laptop [00:58] its prob in /usr/bin [00:58] not keiga, i meant Ekiga [00:58] Zuz|Kubuntu: press Alt + F2 [00:59] open konsole and type: $ which Ekiga [00:59] it will tell u the location of Ekiga [01:00] tells me to run this # regsvr32 .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Common\ Files/Intel/ataplugin/ATAPlugIn.ax [01:00] now should i include the #? [01:07] rokB: ok its working [01:09] Zuz|Kubuntu: Ekiga working now ? [01:09] Anyone know how to get extended desktop working on kubuntu [01:10] all it sees is my external display in System Settings > Display [01:10] though the display is mirrored [01:11] what u see in "multiple monitors" under Display ? === mzawieska is now known as ziomus [01:47] hey how are u suppose to use this os [01:47] first time ive ever used this [01:48] can anybody please tell me [01:49] You might want to ask something a bit more specific [01:49] ? [01:50] like the the tool bar [01:50] i cant find the programs i minamized [01:52] o wait never mind i fixed it [01:54] kubuntu is pretty cool [01:54] compared to vista it seems like the same [01:55] i got a question what does Ktorrent do? === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [02:01] klockworks- it's a BitTorrent client [02:01] what does bittorrent do [02:03] Its a a tool to share files [02:03] It's used to download files from other users that also have the file, instead of downloading over a connection to a single server [02:04] compared to vista it seems like the same <--- and its not fine to say that :P [02:04] uh y [02:05] ok i got a quetsion how do u send private messages? [02:16] !pm | klockworks [02:16] klockworks: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. [02:17] pm Dragnslcr like this [02:18] pm/ Drangsclr erm [02:18] pm I Drangsclr .. [02:19] !pm Dragnsclr ... [02:19] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:19] ?? [02:20] pm | Dragmsclr like this [02:29] do i have to get a antivirus for kubuntu? [02:29] hello [02:40] for a room witho so many people its so quite === anthony is now known as Guest63992 [03:02] hi. schedule shows RC available? [03:35] anyone know a software i could use to test my mic? [03:40] skype? [03:40] :p [03:56] anyone know how to start plasma decently in a headless jaunty? i can leave a bash window open and start it from there after i log in on vnc, but it doesnt start quite normally [05:14] hello!! [05:15] ive a question... every time i run flash videos or... play some games like chess games, my intel core 2 duo runs like hell, not even in other computers running cd4 the processor works so hard, why is that? [05:16] is it something about the kernel? [05:16] should i use 64 bits? what should i do? === lucas_ is now known as nn123 [05:21] im no expert but are ur video drivers up to snuff? [05:22] well... [05:22] im with kernel 2.6.31 [05:23] and i guess i mean im running kubuntu 9.10 [05:23] but it used to do like that on other versions also [05:23] so, i dont really know why is it [05:23] there may be some graphics specific drivers u need to dl [05:23] what card do u have? [05:23] intel x3100 [05:24] i guess i have lastest intel video card drivers with this version of kubuntu [05:24] intel has some linux drivers for that card [05:25] dont u know if kubuntu or ubuntu are supposed to give us those video drivers? [05:25] i think all u get from ubuntu/kubuntu are generic drivers [05:26] then ill check them out [05:26] thanks [05:27] http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html [05:34] anyone know how to start plasma decently in a headless jaunty? i can leave a bash window open and start it from there after i log in on vnc, but it doesnt start quite normally === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [06:06] * bolshevikgypsy trying to get the hang of kubuntu [06:07] it might take a bit [06:07] x === maximo is now known as Maximo === richard is now known as Guest21498 === tyler is now known as Guest11942 [07:28] anyone know how to start plasma decently in a headless jaunty? i can leave a bash window open and start it from there after i log in on vnc, but it doesnt start quite normally [07:44] tred: alt+f2? [07:58] hi, Kubuntu 9.04 isn't able to find one of my SATA drive in the installer, any workarounds for this? Both BIOS and Windows can recognize it, and the installer can find my other drives (which I now temporary unplugged) === kb is now known as Guest69212 [08:05] does gparted see that drive? [08:06] no idea, is gparted available from the live cd ? [08:07] jussi01: no, i just leave a console window open when i shut down or reboot, and it opens fine headless and i vnc in and restart plasma from the console window [08:08] windy, u have to use the package mgr to install gparted [08:08] can u see thAR DRIVE IN DOLPHIN? [08:09] damn caps key, i need to remap this kbd i think [08:09] not in /mnt/ [08:09] it should show in /home/media/ actually [08:10] nope, nothing [08:10] and it'd be really hard to use a packet manager to install something on a CD ;) [08:10] hello [08:11] no, the package manager would download it from the net and temp install in ur ramdisk [08:11] ur ramdisk is ur memory [08:12] good I got a lot of memory then :p [08:12] i have to install partimage on my livecd every time i want to do a image of this drive [08:13] from my livecd [08:13] "No devices detected" [08:13] is that what gpaterted says? [08:14] gparted [08:14] yep [08:14] ouch, gonna need someone better than me, im not all that good anyways, hehe [08:14] let me think a bit meanwhile [08:15] do u have any other live cd u can use to see if they see it? [08:16] also did u check the livecd u have for errors? [08:16] got some different installers, but I checked with Windows, and the disks there and in good state. I checked with the kubuntu CD both before and after adding a MBR to the disk. [08:16] I think it's clean, it's only 2 hours old :p [08:16] the question is more if the installer requires the SATA mode to be AHCI or something [08:17] im not sure, ive seen ppl talk about issues with AHCI but i didnt follow the outcome of the problem [08:18] it cant hurt to change the mode just to see [08:18] i had a prob sorta similar with a xp install once, it wouldnt do crap till i changed the APIC setting in the bios [08:20] ask the ppl in ubuntu channel, plenty of experts there usually [08:20] xp was almost a decade ago though, not many people left with pure IDE drives in modern computers. [08:21] lol im an antique [08:21] im just now starting to get sata drives [08:23] no luck with ACHI, *turns off again* [08:23] ask in ubuntu channel, plenty of activity there right now [08:26] tred: Im here also ;() [08:27] ok good [08:27] help windscape with his sata prob. i got all night, lol [08:29] found a ubuntu cd , think it's also 9.04, lets see if it got same issues [08:29] else I have to go hunting for my win7 cd... it's meant to be somewhere in the room [08:31] bah, it's broken. [08:34] is there a firmware update for that drive? [08:35] or a bios update for the mobo? [08:38] can't see why either should be needed. Checked with my Win7 install disk, it can see the drives [08:38] guess I'll file a bug report later. [08:43] jussi01: any ideas on my plasma problem? [08:57] hi [08:57] how to read dvds ? [08:57] i use kmplayer [09:03] vlc is good [09:29] hi [09:30] anybody knows how to get kdepim3-dev installed in 9.04 ? [09:30] or the real question, how to get taskjuggler with ical support in 9.04 ? [09:41] how comes that i can't read dvds with kmplayer although i Read them with dragon player ? [09:42] u prob need some more codecs [09:45] tred: i have ldvdcss2, libdvdread4 libdvdnav4 and w32codecs... [10:57] roKB did u try vnc yet? [11:00] kkk [11:01] no [11:01] i m currently in college [11:01] i will try, when i will go home for winter vacations [11:02] i sorta got headless working, i can unplug my monitor and vnc in, and start plasma after i get in, but its not starting quite right [11:03] im prob gonna have to use a dummy vga plug [11:04] means kubuntu senses whether or not a monitor is attached [11:05] earlier versions u could run headless, but plasma is too new, i saw where next version or version after that is supposed to run headless easy [11:06] there is prob a config file i can edit to hardwire the correct settings but i dont know where it is yet [11:09] i am new to kubuntu, so i don't know either [11:11] its pretty useable the way i got it now, just a minor annoyance really that the tray isnt working and windows open at goofy sizes, but actually its mostly working [11:12] im actually on my xp computer right now using vnc to chat thru my kubuntu box [11:12] u said last night that u have managed to change the resolution in some configuration file [11:13] yes, i was having some probs with the resolution changing when i rebooted thru vnc, so i edited in the settings i wanted in xorg.conf file [11:15] my kubuntu wasnt picking up my monitor cuz im hooked up with a KVM switch right now, so i just gave it some hard settings to use instead of autodetection [11:16] /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the file i edited [11:18] in older kubuntu all ur possible resolutions showed up there, not sure about now, but mine was bare default stuff, so i added in what i wanted and i havent had a prob since [11:26] mihi === widmo01 is now known as strikepl1 [12:50] split ? [12:50] nah [12:50] yah [12:51] Hiyas [12:57] Bonjour à tous [12:57] !fr [12:57] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr === widmo01 is now known as strikepl1 === BlueEagl1 is now known as BlueEagle [13:22] how to access the parallel port from wine programs [13:26] damn, my home machine runs faster with winxp, and slower with kubuntu 9 :( === antonio__ is now known as akenaton14 [13:28] Hello === francesco_ is now known as francesco__ [13:29] hi.doen anyone knows an application to "record the monitor " [13:29] what i see on my desktop [13:29] like camstasia on windows [13:29] but for ubuntu === widmo01 is now known as strikepl1 [13:32] Let me just fire off this question. When I am hope I have a second display, but when I am on the train (on my way to work) I have only my laptop display. I would love to be able to run a command to switch between xorg.conf configs without having a second X session open (i.e. fast user switch) rather, I would like to get on the train, open my laptop and switch to single-head mode. Get to work or home, plug in my external display, run a [13:32] command to get into dual-head mode. POssible? [13:33] hi [13:34] I know that amdcccle can trigger such a switch, with limited success. That is, the displays are not properly configured (they only become mirrored even though I select Big Desktop mode) unless I reboot the machine. Logging out/back in does not work. [13:34] rmrfslash: 1 word. xrandr [13:34] rmrfslash, its just a case of swapping your xorg.confs as you say [13:34] then restart x [13:34] yep its called xrender [13:35] carpii: not even [13:35] no need to restart x all works from teh cli [13:35] oki [13:35] restarting X is an archaic way to do this [13:35] How to make the parallel port accessible in programs running under wine [13:35] windows/os x have had this capability for the last decade [13:35] yeah i agree, but you just asked for some sort of solution [13:35] linux you need to do everything short of rebooting the machine to accomplish this [13:35] well....... I suppose yes. [13:35] :) === administrator is now known as Guest20107 [13:39] freenode.ned [13:40] There are so many things wrong w/ this situation I don't even know where to begin. First, why are there two applications for configuring a display? === naked is now known as Dressed === administrator is now known as Guest62253 [13:41] xrandr, there's some System Settings > Display thing, and amdcccle === Dressed is now known as dressed [13:41] then for audio there's phonon, xine, alsa, etc [13:41] google on xrendr to fuind out how esay it is to use. and why there are multiple possibilities ? because its linux :) [13:42] for networking theres wicd, knetworkmanager, network management applet, [13:42] you have the same amount iof wifi managers for windows ... [13:42] yeah, it's linux, but it seems like there's a lot of redundancy in the development === administrator__ is now known as holmqvist22 [13:43] and as a result there's the feeling of perpetual beta-ness [13:43] not really, its about tast en options you need/want to use. [13:44] wdym not really. no noob will even think about using kubuntu because they will attach a second display, go into System Settings > Display and see that no econd display is even detected. They're not going to know to fire up konsole and run amdcccle, or start editing xorg.conf by hand and learning randr options [13:45] they're just going to be like "oh well" and install windows and maybe run kubuntu in a vm === Guest62253 is now known as administrator [13:46] rmrfslash: You can't get everything you want and that also for free [13:46] Hi all. I set "Restor manually saved session" in Kubuntu, but I get no option to "Save session" in my Kickoff menu. Is this a known problem? === administrator is now known as Guest23448 [13:46] and xrendr can be scripted for easy use. takes about 5 min to do so [13:46] apparle: that's pretty much what I say to people when they ask me "how's linux" [13:47] apparle: I never tell them these stories... I just kind of say "eh, for the desktop it's not quite there yet" or "you get what you pay for. though it is great on a headless server" [13:48] trijntje: hit the leave button in kickoff menu, there is will be [13:48] But if you're able to tweak a little and get what want for free than what's the point in paying :D [13:48] apparle: yes, that's true === holmqvist22 is now known as holmqvist27 === dressed is now known as TobiasE [13:49] Mr-S^b32, thanks a lot! [13:49] no problem [13:50] rmrfslash: What matters is whether you have the time, patience and brains to do the tweaking :D [13:50] even windows takes quite some time and applications to tweak. for me no time difference. [13:50] If "have the brains" means "has the time to google for a few hours" then yeah [13:51] rmrfslash: Actually google doesn't yeild everything............. [13:52] rmrfslash: For eg: I found nothing regarding my MoBo on any damn sites........... just people asking for solution........ so I found out mine...........(although they were simple) [13:53] I will admit, from the desktop perspective i.e. not plugging in monitors and unplugging them, limited need for sleep/hibernation -- yeah I have no complaints w/ ubuntu [13:53] my desktop at work gives me no probs cuz I just leave it on. uptime of like 4000000 days [13:54] rmrfslash: I haven't tried those things ........... but for me both sound and display were giving a lot of problem [13:54] my laptop really elucidates the issues. though I have to say, it does take windows like 9 years to come back from sleep [13:55] apparle: I guarantee that somewhere out there (maybe somewhere in the deep web), the answer to your question is there [13:55] i never saw the point of hibernation nor sleep for machines. [13:55] for a laptop, it's obvious [13:56] rmrfslash: Come on............. there can be times when the problem you face is new [13:56] true [13:56] not to me. either i run it or but it down [13:56] Hibernation is hopeless............. Sleep is required sometimes [13:56] hibernation for me is only usefull when sleep doesn't work [13:56] :P [13:57] interesting ... sleep is requierd for what purpose ? [13:57] shutting the laptop lid [13:57] :D [13:57] and not having to wait for the hdd to write everything to disk [13:57] i just put it in lock mode and min cpu power when closing the lid [13:57] before you toss it into a bag [13:58] still, sleep consumes less power [13:58] i dont like that. still comsumes power, work files and stuff have been written down on the hard drive. saving session and restarting does the same for me [13:59] hibernation writes to disk [13:59] sleep just keeps memory alive and writes everything to meory [13:59] just open the lid and resume [13:59] shutting down is best [13:59] i agree and the safest way for you files. had nightmerris with resume ... === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:00] ok... I'm not going to get into why shutting down is not possible. trust me, it's annoying to shut down and boot up all the time [14:00] not possible as in, it's "possible" but not practical [14:00] i can imagine .. [14:00] and i like the boot code display :) === holmqvist27 is now known as Unknow [14:01] anyways. [14:01] I don't take risks will suspend............ when only 15-20 seconds to boot [14:01] I need to read up on xrandr [14:01] you will like it, works faster than ccmld and any windows app i know of [14:02] apparle: it's just annoying to make sure you save everything, shut the machine down, then get to work or somewhere else and boot back up [14:02] i mean it's a laptop afterall [14:02] I use a laptop for what a laptop was meant for... not just for going from my bed to my couch [14:03] :D [14:03] But making sure you save everything ensure no risk and also what all work you have done [14:03] I write my code, shut the lid, get to work, open it, write more code, shut the lid, go home, open the lid and resume being as pathetic as possible [14:03] Ahhhhh I am Desktop loving guy [14:04] :D [14:04] i don't even know why they make me come in [14:04] the commute is nothing more than an inconvenience. though for them, they want to see warm bodies. [14:05] that's neither here nor there though [14:05] :D [14:12] gotta jet === Unknow is now known as google [14:33] j === NAKKEL is now known as Nakkel [14:51] I guess installing KDE 4.3.2 isn't a good idea on Jaunty. [14:51] Completely broke my desktop some how. Oh well, might aswell grab the 32-bit beta of 9.10 and play around with it. [14:51] Why? Works for me. [14:51] Can't right click the desktop, task tray doesn't seem to work, task bar doesn't work. :( [14:51] kwin it's self doesn't work - had to start up Compiz. [14:52] need help.. im newbie.. i have problem to setting my ethernet.. any1 help?? [14:53] Sahkolihaa: KDE 4.3.2 working perfectly here with jaunty, and working fine for most people afaik [14:53] I guess I'm one of the unlucky few then. :P [14:53] yep :( [14:54] I'm downloading the 32-bit beta of 9.10 to toy around with anyway. [14:54] you're sure the upgrade finished correctly? [14:54] As far as I'm aware, yeah. [14:54] No errors. [14:55] Всем привет [14:55] Although it did seem pretty quick at updating... [14:55] I think it updated 40 packets. [14:55] packages, rather. [14:55] есть русские? [15:05] okular keeps crashing since today. there where some poppler updates, could this be the problem? [15:12] i see in this a crash hidden plot to make me install karmic... i'm so tempted.. === andrew_ is now known as Guest38755 [15:48] hi [15:55] hello, i've tried to find a kubuntu download for multicore processor, but all i find is some forum threads about it.. [15:55] could someone please help me find it? :) [15:55] erm [15:55] all kubuntu releases work on multicore processors [15:55] oh ok! :D [15:55] :) [15:55] thanks! [15:55] but.. [15:56] is it a generic kernel? when i try to download it says i368 [15:56] "the key for SMP support is to use a generic kernel, and not an i386 kernel." [15:56] that sounds like out-of-date information [15:57] 2007 [15:57] thanks again :) [15:57] so it doesnt matter at all? just choose the right archi: intel or amd? [15:58] one more question :D do kubuntu support 6GB ram memory? [15:58] iderik: i386 version supports up to (about) 3GB RAM, 64-bit edition supports more [15:58] if you have 6GB, get the 64-bit edition [15:58] (click "64bit AMD and Intel computers" on the download page) [15:59] however, you may wish to wait until the new version of Kubuntu is released in 7 days... [15:59] yeah! i saw that [15:59] the new version has a more mature desktop environment, with far fewer bugs [15:59] isnt it easy to just update it? [15:59] yes, it is easy to upgrade === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [16:01] more mature desktop environment? isnt it the same KDE4? or whats new? [16:01] it is KDE 4.3.2 instead of KDE4.1 [16:01] same sort of thing, but with fewer bugs === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [16:02] KDE4.1 was quite nice but a bit unreliable [16:02] KDE4.3 is much more stable [16:03] JontheEchidna: Policykit works now properly [16:03] Half-Left: cool :) [16:03] Vroomfondle, thanks for all the help! :) [16:03] no problem :) [16:03] JontheEchidna: But I'n scared, I've just seen Inkscape 0.47 pre [16:03] m [16:04] JontheEchidna: I hope your build doesn't trigger the qsvg rendering bug :p [16:05] one more, hehe. i want to be sure i get this right. The radio button says "64bit AMD and Intel computers", but when it starts to download it says "Computer Platform: amd64". im pretty sure im using an intel and not an amd. is this still the right file for me? [16:05] it's still fine [16:05] "amd64" will work fine on an Intel processor too [16:05] :-] [16:06] oh! i bought three 2GB memories, and it said "recommend for i7 core processors". do i damaging the memories by not using a i7 socket? [16:06] iderik: it's just that AMD released their 64-bit consumer processors first so "amd64" became the common name for them [16:07] iderik: no, you won't damage anything [16:07] just as long as your motherboard supports the kind of memory you bought [16:07] wie! :D [16:16] hi, I have a question about kde notifications [16:17] I'm on karmic, and there seems to be a regression in the notification during file transfer [16:17] we used to get information about transfer speed, but not anymore [16:18] !karmic [16:18] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic is BETA and MAY break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [16:18]