[00:01] <mary_> qos, you sure it has something to do with nvidia?
[00:01] <mary_> have you tried remving nvidia?
[00:02] <qos> mary_, does this sound like your bug? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1290348
[00:02] <mary_> qos, update to new nvidia fixed me... sry
[00:03] <qos> mary_, you solved it?
[00:03] <mary_> yeah installed nvidia from ppa
[00:04] <qos> mary_, could you take a look at the forum post and check if it sounds like our problem?
[00:04] <xguru> i'm impressed with the fact that there hasn't been any updates released in slightly over a day  :)
[00:05] <qos> mary_, and another thing ... which kernel do you use?
[00:05] <mary_> 2.6.31-14
[00:05] <mary_> qos, ^^
[00:06] <qos> mary_, omg ... same kernel as here
[00:06] <qos> mary_, how did you install the new drivers in the ppa?
[00:07] <mary_> went into recovery mode with networking: apt-get install nvidia-glx-190 nvidia-190-libvdpau nvidia-settings-190
[00:07] <mary_> reboot
[00:07] <mary_> then I partied
[00:08] <qos> mary_, hmm, i will give this a try ... again ;)
[00:09] <mary_> lmk
[00:11] <aprilhare> hey
[00:11] <sylv1> hi folks
[00:11] <sylv1> anyone using arora on karmic here ?
[00:11]  * aprilhare logged into a fresh new user account and discovers firefox crashes have mysteriously disappeared
[00:12] <Cojimero> hey guys I have a bug in the Authentication process
[00:12] <aprilhare> i can't stay in this test account though. all my stuff is in the other account.
[00:12] <Cojimero> It's not working
[00:13] <Cojimero> I am triying to configure my Network settings
[00:13] <Cojimero> and when it ask for authentication it crash
[00:14] <Cojimero> any idea
[00:14] <Cojimero> please
[00:14] <BluesKaj> Cojimero, samba ?
[00:14] <Cojimero> hi
[00:14] <Cojimero> samba?
[00:15] <BluesKaj> home network, internet /
[00:15] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:15] <Cojimero> I trying to change my DNS address
[00:15] <Cojimero> but when ubuntu tries to authenticate my account it crash
[00:17] <BluesKaj> Cojimero, change the settings on your router to manual DNS configuration , then enter your dns addresses
[00:17] <Cojimero> I did already but didnt work
[00:17] <OmnipotentEntity> hello, I updated to 9.10 and now pulseaudio seems to be not working
[00:17] <BluesKaj> Cojimero, opendns ?
[00:18] <Cojimero> how I do that
[00:18] <thiebaude> !opendns
[00:18] <thiebaude> Cojimero,
[00:18] <Jordan_U> OmnipotentEntity: Not working in what way?
[00:18] <Cojimero> yes
[00:19] <OmnipotentEntity> Jordan_U, no sound through pulse audio, but my card is working fine with I play through it directly.
[00:19] <Cojimero> I dont have Internet in that PC cuz of the dns issue
[00:20] <BluesKaj> http://www.opendns.com/
[00:20] <Cojimero> I need to fix the bug in the Authentication process
[00:21] <Cojimero> I dont work at all
[00:21] <shiznebit> how do i set up pulse to peramently use my USB Mic in ?
[00:21] <Cojimero> sorry I mean It doesnt work at all
[00:24] <qos> mary_, worked... but the flickering is still there at startup ... but the x server is able to start
[00:26] <mary_> qos, weird. flickering is completely gone for me. don't do apt-get upgrade though or use update-manager because it will reinstall 185... Something is wrong with the version scheme...
[00:26] <mary_> I had to go into synaptic and lock the versions I have and use synaptic for upgrading then it works fine (so far)
[00:30] <qos> mary_, hmm, do you use your old xorg.conf from jaunty?
[00:30] <mary_> qos, I didn't update xorg, just worked... using twinview
[00:30] <sobersabre> hi.
[00:31] <sobersabre> I'm upgrading to koala.
[00:31] <qos> mary_, same situation as here ...
[00:31] <choman> any one playing with a "Dell Latitute D600"
[00:31] <mary_> sobersabre, congrats
[00:31] <sobersabre> is there a lot of problems I can expect ?
[00:31] <fool_> hey guys does karmic fix the intel graphic issues ?
[00:31] <mary_> sobersabre, what video card?
[00:31] <sobersabre> I am on nvidia
[00:31] <sobersabre> as of now.
[00:32] <mary_> choman, I'm playing catch with one right now... :P
[00:32] <sobersabre> but my laptop is intel (as of now, until I retire and replace it)
[00:32] <sobersabre> I'm now trying koala on nvidia, with nForce4 chipset.
[00:32] <mary_> sobersabre, you might need to install nvidia drivers from ppa. If you get a blinking screen on startup you'll know
[00:32] <sobersabre> I mean upgrading.
[00:32] <thiebaude> sobersabre, system-admistration-hardware drivers
[00:32] <sobersabre> ok.
[00:32] <choman> mary_: what kinda graphics card to you have in it
[00:33] <sobersabre> what sound arch is the default in koala ?
[00:33] <sobersabre> alsa+pulse ?
[00:33] <sobersabre> or oss+pulse ?
[00:33] <sobersabre> or what ?
[00:33] <mary_> choman, I am running 8.04 on it.. still want to know?
[00:33] <duende> Help:  I have a USB Tv tuner, and for some reason, i can't get the audio to play no matter what i try in the mixer.  The tuner worked fine in 9.04.  It looks like audio is coming from the tuner but not being sent to the output, everything appears unmuted
[00:33] <thiebaude> !pulse
[00:33] <choman> mary_: yeah I do
[00:34] <sobersabre> thiebaude: thanks for the response...have you noticed what I asked ?
[00:35] <sobersabre> I know it's pulse on the top.
[00:35] <sobersabre> but what's down below ?
[00:35] <sobersabre> still alsa ?
[00:35] <thiebaude> sobersabre, were you having graphics card problems?
[00:35] <sobersabre> hm...
[00:35] <mary_> 64 MB ATi Mobility Radeon X300
[00:35] <mary_> choman,
[00:35] <sobersabre> what does pulse have to do with graphics ?
[00:36] <thiebaude> probably nothing
[00:36] <sobersabre> oh. ok.
[00:36] <choman> mary_: hmm close, have you tried karmic on it yet?
[00:36] <choman> mary_: dual boot or livecd
[00:36] <sobersabre> I have an interesting Q.
[00:37] <sobersabre> why do people refer to the adjective in the release code names, instead of the nouns ?
[00:37] <mary_> choman, no it's web/dns/dhcp/postgresql server
[00:37] <sobersabre> I mean in ubuntu.
[00:37] <sobersabre> if we're talking about jaunty jackalope, why don't people say "install jackalope", and instead they say "install jaunty".
[00:37] <sobersabre>  ?
[00:37] <stpere> sobersabre: because  it's the non silly part of it? :)
[00:37] <sobersabre> mystery to me...
[00:38] <sobersabre> stpere: I like Koala more than Karmic.
[00:38] <mary_> sobersabre, it's shorter and easier to spell
[00:38] <mary_> :P
[00:38] <choman> mary_: bummer.  no worries.
[00:38] <fool_> because that's what used in apt repo names
[00:40] <choman> mary_: check back later I guess.  someone has to have one
[00:41] <mary_> choman, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=256
[00:41] <mary_> you could try there
[00:43] <sobersabre> mary_: Koala is shorter....
[00:43] <Ademan> egh, i'm getting "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured" then "cannot open /dev/mem" when trying to boot into my karmic beta install :-/
[00:44] <mobi-sheep> sobersabre: You can use koala instead of karmic!
[00:44] <mary_> sobersabre, yes but much easier to type than jackalope
[00:44] <sobersabre> mobi-sheep: thanks!
[00:44] <sobersabre> :-/
[00:44] <mary_> sobersabre, most say karmic n e way
[00:44] <mobi-sheep> sobersabre: MAY EXPERIENCE BREAKAGE! DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS! :)
[00:45] <sobersabre> there's not jackalope can be written jl
[00:45] <Ademan> sobersabre: yeah my karmic upgrade just broke *horribly*
[00:45] <sobersabre> hm "there's not" can be omitted.
[00:45] <sobersabre> Ademan: shall I cancel as of now ?
[00:45] <mary_> sobersabre, if you are keeping your home partition in tact then there is very little risk. worst case scenario is you have to reinstall jaunty
[00:45] <Ademan> sobersabre: just be sure to back things up, then do whatever you want
[00:46] <sobersabre> mary_: I thought such crashers were supposed to be resolved initially.
[00:46] <mary_> sobersabre, all ubuntu distro's could be abbreviated with 2 letters of that release... FF GG II JJ KK
[00:46] <sobersabre> do you guys have a "feature freeze" concept ?
[00:46] <sobersabre> mary_: true :)
[00:46] <mobi-sheep> Batman and Mr.Freeze! Yes yes, we know them!
[00:46] <mary_> sobersabre, crashes are common with straight upgrades... I prefer fresh installs using same /home partition
[00:46] <sobersabre> or is the last minute changes are the ones that break the unbreakable ?
[00:47] <mary_> sobersabre, feature freeze doesn't mean stable :P
[00:47] <sobersabre> mary_: I do have separate home, var, boot and even tmp.
[00:47] <sobersabre> I also have a separate /media/cdrom
[00:48] <mary_> you bragging or complaining?
[00:48] <Ademan> how can i get text from my busybox shell to another computer for a bug report?... we need netcat... lol
[00:48] <sobersabre> blubbering.
[00:48] <sobersabre> anyways. I wonder what would be smaller d/l: the media or the upgrade ?
[00:48] <mary_> that wasn't an option... :P
[00:49] <mary_> media.
[00:49] <mary_> upgrade from jaunty on one of my test vm's was 1.2 GB!
[00:49] <sobersabre> I have a list of 2176 packagesess.
[00:49] <mary_> but lots of packages upgraded as well
[00:49] <sobersabre> ok. I am off.
[00:50] <sobersabre> good night.
[00:51] <Cojimero> hey I have an issue with the authentication
[00:52] <Cojimero> on 9.10 beta
[00:52] <Cojimero> any idea
[00:53] <mary_> Cojimero, an issue with the authentication isn't very specific....
[00:54] <Cojimero> yeah when I try to change any setting ..It will pop up a window that asks for my password ... that process insn't working
[00:55] <mary_> Cojimero, so it pops up the window but doesn't take your password?
[00:56] <Cojimero> yeah it take it as normal but does not update the system or apply any change
[00:56] <mary_> so it does take the password it just doesn't make the appropriate change?
[00:57] <Cojimero> yeah you got it
[00:57] <mary_> my questions are a waste of time. I just have to ask them because your question isn't specific enough to let me figure it out...
[00:57] <Cojimero> I just installed it in my laptop for test it out
[00:58] <Cojimero> thank you
[00:58] <mary_> have you tried doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in the terminal to make sure you are up to date??
[00:58] <aprilhare> brb
[00:59] <Cojimero> ok thats the main reason I want to change the network setting so I can have internet connection
[00:59] <Cojimero> you see
[00:59] <mary_> Cojimero, did you try to set them statically in /etc/network/interface?
[01:00] <mary_> */etc/network/interfaces
[01:00] <Cojimero> opps no .. I'll try that one and I let you know
[01:02] <Cojimero> what do I have to put in there or how
[01:04] <mary_> Cojimero, please google...  http://tinyurl.com/ygtjanm
[01:04] <Cojimero> ok
[01:05] <mary_> this is ubuntu+1 if you have normal ubuntu questions ask in ubuntu. when you hit a +1 issue feel free to ask here
[01:05] <JesperHansen> Is there a current issue with telepathy-butterfly crashing? I keep getting crash reports just by having Empathy idle
[01:06] <shiznebit> I have an issue with Skype and Pulse and my Usb mic in. How do i permanently set pulse to always use my USB MIC in upon system boot
[01:06] <mary_> JesperHansen, http://tinyurl.com/yhk9lum
[01:06] <Ademan> is it possible to do *anything* useful from ash? I don't have a working pager or text editor...
[01:07] <mary_> JesperHansen, google/bing == your friend it's easier to search than to ask and wait...
[01:07]  * JesperHansen wonders which of the 15 bugs it might be here
[01:07] <Ademan> er, let me rephrase that, what can i do to diagnose and fix what's dropped me into ash
[01:09] <Ademan> mary_: do you know what grub entries i should have after a fresh install of karmic beta? I just noticed usplash in my initrd, i thought we dropped usplash in karmic (therefore i'm wondering if i've booted into the wrong kernel)
[01:12] <Kajros1> Anyone running Ubuntu netbook Remix having issues with videos on youtube and such to play?
[01:13] <Ademan> Kajros1: no, but what sort of issues?
[01:14] <Kajros1> When playing videos I see white screen and hear the audio
[01:14] <coz_> Kajros1,  do you have all of the codecs installed?
[01:15] <Kajros1> Yeah got everything installed that I can think of
[01:15] <Ademan> Kajros1: have you tried with desktop effects disabled?
[01:15] <Ademan> i dunno if UNR actually has compiz but, if it does, try with just metacity
[01:15] <coz_> Kajros1,   try    in terminal  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:16] <Ademan> wow the new gdm login is kinda need
[01:16] <Ademan> s/need/neat/
[01:16] <Kajros1> Restricted extras installed already
[01:16] <Kajros1> Desktop effects diabled
[01:16] <coz_> Kajros1,  mm  what applicatoin are you using to play videos?
[01:16] <Ademan> egh, my synaptics touchpad doesn't work in karmic :-/
[01:17] <Kajros1> no application just stuff like youtube and any video files on internet will not play but i hear audio
[01:17] <Amaranth> Ademan: you mean the tap to click?
[01:17] <Seventoes> i have my ubuntu box connected to another that is sharing it's internet connection via a crossover cable, which worked fine in 9.04, but it doesnt seem to be working in 9.10?
[01:17] <coz_> Kajros1,   mm  not sure then if the restricted extras are installed then flash is also installed as well
[01:17] <Ademan> Amaranth: no, just the touchpad doesn't work at all, worked fine in jaunty though, gonna have to hunt that problem down
[01:18] <JesperHansen> mary_, nothing really sems fitting. Doesn't seem critical however, so ignore on that
[01:18] <Kajros1> Yeah my same thought lol.  Flash installed and extra but videos still won't play and system is up to date
[01:19] <BUGabundo> boa noite. bed time
[01:19] <Cojimero> I got internet access thank you
[01:19] <Cojimero> I'm updating now
[01:20] <Kajros1> Going to try my luck with beta UNR 9.10 slowly downloading lol
[01:20] <Ademan> ok, i managed to boot into one of my kernels, see you guys on the other computer
[01:20] <coz_> BUGabundo,   portuguese?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> coz_: yep
[01:20] <Seventoes> the internet sharing still works when i switch back to 9.04, so i know it's not the cable
[01:20] <BUGabundo> glad to hear it Cojimero
[01:20] <coz_> BUGabundo,  very cool :)
[01:20] <BUGabundo> coz_: atao pq?
[01:20] <coz_> BUGabundo,  difficutlt language
[01:20] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no
[01:20] <coz_> :)
[01:20] <Cojimero> sure I'm happy
[01:20] <Cojimero> thank you all you guys
[01:26] <Ademan> so what's my best bet for restoring my old /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} ?
[01:29] <Ademan> egh, so i did the "install over everything but /home" route, it sorta looks like it saved my old kernel images... am I crazy or is this true?
[01:32] <virtuald> Ademan: That would be the sane thing to do as you can't know if the new Kernel works with your hardware. Differences between versions are huge
[01:33] <Ademan> virtuald: well, as sane as you make it sound, those kernels blew up horribly while booting, wheras vanilla karmic kernels seem to be working :-p
[01:33] <virtuald> It probably will work but you'll have to try it
[01:33] <virtuald> Heh
[01:35] <virtuald> I've never heard of that before :)
[01:35] <Ademan> haha me neither :-p
[01:35] <Ademan> the kernel images don't seem to be represented in apt though, which is midly annoying
[01:37] <micahg> has anyone had any issues with apt-pinning in Karmic?
[01:37] <virtuald> But i guess if you made a new filesystem it's ext4 while kernels from a year or two ago don't have stable support for that
[01:39] <Ademan> virtuald: well that's the whole thing, i was installing over an old ext3 partition
[01:40] <Ademan> dunno why it did what it did honestly :-/
[01:40] <Ademan> just trying to clean up after it at this point
[01:41] <virtuald> o.0
[01:41] <Ademan> also the timestamps on my "strange" kernel images are from over a month ago, suggesting that they're indeed my old kernels
[01:42] <Seventoes> anyone know what would cause a crossover cable connection to not work in 9.10? it works fine in 9.04 with the same config :-/
[01:44] <Ademan> Seventoes: do "normal" connections work?
[01:44] <Seventoes> the computer im connecting to is sharing its internet connection, i'm trying to use this cable to get internet
[01:45] <Seventoes> so i havent tried normal connections.. i'd have to move the computer to another room, which is a pain
[01:45] <Ademan> :-/ well that's my only thought, is that more than just crossovers are borked, but i understand wanting to explore other, less annoying options first
[01:47] <Seventoes> is there a place where logs would be keept saying why it keeps failing connection?
[01:47] <micahg> Seventoes: syslog
[01:49] <micahg> has anyone had any issues with apt-pinning in Karmic?
[01:50] <Seventoes> ahh had to turn off IP6, was timing out trying to get an IPv6 address
[01:50] <Seventoes> works fine now :D
[01:52] <Ademan> micahg: sorry, nope, what exactly is your issue though? maybe it'll stir someone's memory
[01:52] <micahg> I have a PPA pinned at 475, but it's upgrading to a PPA pinned at 450
[02:13]  * nemo sighs
[02:14] <nemo> I've been doing alsa force-reload like daily
[02:17] <Ademan> ooh, i haven't tested sound yet...
[02:19] <Ademan> also ergh, "display side by side versions" that synaptic does when it encounters conflicts, is utterly useless and retarded... also allowing diffs to be viewed with a user's preferred diff viewer would be nice too
[02:20] <b1shop> know if it's possible to boot the cd into runlevel 3?
[02:27] <Ademan> is there a way to get the indicator applet to forget about empathy? i really don't like it...
[02:34] <Barridus> hi all, anyone knowledgeable with how to force a 96x96 DPI in the new X11?
[02:53] <Barridus> is there a way to force 96x96 dpi display if i have no xorg.conf?
[02:57] <DanaG> Why force 96, anyway?
[02:58] <Barridus> video is the wrong aspect ratio
[02:59] <Barridus> also occurred in older ubuntus, fix was to force 96 dpi in xorg.conf (which doesn't seem to be relevant in 9.10)
[03:00] <DanaG> hmm, that's weird.
[03:00] <virtuald> Don't you use an incorrect resolution?
[03:01] <DanaG> EDID bug?  If so, you can file a report on that.
[03:01] <Barridus> resolution is set correctly, x11 just interprets it oddly i guess
[03:01] <Bluey1> amarok 2.2 wanks!
[03:02] <Barridus> for instance, a 16:9 video shows up roughly square.  and changing the aspect in movie player doesn't work
[03:02] <virtuald> I agree with DanaG you should file a bug.
[03:02] <kevstiles4> Any advice on updating to 9.10 beta from 9.04 running in Parallels on a MacBook?
[03:03] <Barridus> typing "xrandr --dpi 96" fixes it until shutdown
[03:03] <Barridus> adding that line to startup apps prevents the system from logging in, oddly
[03:03] <virtuald> Works around it rather
[03:03] <Barridus> yeah
[03:03] <virtuald> Heh
[03:03] <kevstiles4> I try to hit 'Alt - F2', but no update panel appears.
[03:05] <virtuald> kevstiles4: Run update-manager -d
[03:06] <Barridus> hmm, what package should i specify when reporting this
[03:07] <virtuald> xorg
[03:08] <Barridus> k, that's what i figured, just wanted to make sure before my report is instantly invalidated
[03:08] <kevstiles4> virtuald, do I type that in the terminal?
[03:09] <Barridus> crud, i should reboot to go back to whatever settings xorg defaulted to
[03:09] <DanaG> Barridus: what does xorg log show?
[03:09] <DanaG> oh.
[03:09] <virtuald> kevstiles4: Yes, or the run dialog
[03:14] <evilaim>  God damnit
[03:14] <kevstiles4> Thanks virtuald!
[03:15] <kevstiles4> Chat with you later.
[03:17] <OmnipotentEntity> Since upgrading to 9.10 I've had some trouble with my sound.  It seems that oss works, but alsa and pulse do not.  Can anyone help?
[03:18] <CShadowRun> Ok, i think i just won the award for the most compiz cubes ever.
[03:18] <CShadowRun> http://cshadowrun.com/files/2009-10-22-031043_7680x1200_scrot.png
[03:18] <Delvien> Anyone else having a problem with gnome-power-manger ?
[03:18] <CShadowRun> That was fun, i was going for 36, but it wouldn't go above 20 for some reason, so i went with 16.
[03:25] <mobi-sheep> Is Deluge slugging for anybody else? ;o
[03:28] <Delvien> mobi-sheep use transmission :)
[03:28] <Delvien> mobi-sheep i always had issues with deluge, slow, slows down network etc
[03:31] <jimpop> Delvien, what's the issue with g-p-m?
[03:33] <Delvien> jimpop its not saving any settings, and keeping default, no matter how i set it. IE, my laptops screen will turn off after 10 minutes, even though i have it set to never
[03:33] <Delvien> just trying to determine if others experience the same issue, before i report the bug
[03:33] <jimpop> Delvien, yep, it's a bit flaky still
[03:33] <Delvien> jimpop okie, wont report it yet, will just wait :)
[03:34] <jimpop> i gave up using the g-p-m preferences dialog and went straight to using gconf-editor to set the settings
[03:34] <OmnipotentEntity> Since upgrading to 9.10 I've had some trouble with my sound.  It seems that oss works, but alsa and pulse do not.  Can point me to any resources so I can help myself?
[03:34] <Delvien> jimpop, it uses the same thing though, gpm changes gconf settings
[03:34] <jimpop> Delvien, the problem with g-p-m is that issues drag on for years before being investigated/resolved
[03:35] <Delvien> jimpop thats too bad too
[03:35] <jimpop> Delvien, but my changes via gconf-editor do work, but changes via g-p-m prefs don't ;-)
[03:36] <Delvien> jimpop im also having a problem with changing LCD brightness, as linux, for whatever reason, doesnt recognize my LCD as an LCD and the FN buttons for brightness (only those fn buttons, the others work,) fail to do anything, nor does xev pick them up
[03:36] <jimpop> Delvien, i have, in the past, had 2 significant bugs with g-p-m, both took over a year each to even get a dev response
[03:36] <Delvien> jimpop which is funny, because my laptop is a 4 year old common laptop
[03:36] <jimpop> Delvien, for brightness you can add the brightness applet to your task bar (i have to do that for my AAO)
[03:37] <Delvien> jimpop doesnt work
[03:37] <Delvien> jimpop believe me, tried everything
[03:37] <jimpop> Delvien, my g-p-m issues were with legacy Thinkpad hardware
[03:37] <jimpop> what's the laptop make/model?
[03:37] <Delvien> even echo -n /proc/acpi/video/vga/lcd/brightness, but those files dont exist on my laptop.
[03:37] <Delvien> HP dv1000
[03:38] <jimpop> wow, HP stuff is usually well supported
[03:38] <Delvien> the brightness file exists in /proc/acpi/video/GFX0/brightness, but in that file it stats <not supported>
[03:38] <Delvien> another funny thing i saw is that in the other files in that tree, it says my monitor is a CRT
[03:39] <jimpop> you might have to tweak xorg.conf to force it to the specs
[03:39] <jimpop> (and doing that is always a pain in the rear)
[03:41] <Delvien> jimpop, I know... i had to do it back in the breezy days :(
[03:41] <secret901> I've been having trouble getting the sound to work in Firefox.
[03:41] <jimpop> Delvien, did you see this thread about using xgamma for brightness: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=673946
[03:41] <secret901> Is this a known problem in Karmic?
[03:41] <Delvien> jimpop, xgamma is not brightness
[03:41] <jimpop> (i know you said you did look into the issue quite well)
[03:41] <jimpop> Delvien, but xgamma enough and you can affect brightness ;-)
[03:42] <secret901> I installed Karmic and got the sound working in every application, but not when playing youtube videos on Firefox.
[03:42] <Delvien> jimpop, if i want to not be able to read or see anything on the screen, yeah
[03:42] <jimpop> hehe
[03:42] <jimpop> understood
[03:43] <jimpop> secret901, i haven't see that yet
[03:43] <secret901> jimpop: is the sound system in 9.10 different from the other releases?
[03:43] <jimpop> oh yeah
[03:43] <jimpop> quite different
[03:44] <secret901> jimpop: is it on a per-application basis?
[03:44] <bjsnider> it's still alsa/pulse\
[03:44] <bjsnider> newer versions of alsa and pulse
[03:44] <jimpop> there are those here who will say that PulseAudio has been around for a while... but it has never been around this much ;-)
[03:44] <secret901> I tried playing youtube videos in Firefox, but all I get is silence.
[03:45] <secret901> Anyone know what I can do to get sound in Firefox?
[03:46] <jimpop> secret901, have you looked at .xsession-errors or FF Error log ?
[03:46] <secret901> jimpop: no, how do I do that?
[03:46] <Barridus> submitted my first bug report, i sure hope it isn't invalidated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/457821
[03:46] <ablyss> hi everyone
[03:47] <secret901> when I play a Youtube video and open the sound preferences window, the applications tab flickrs with ALSA plugin [firefox]
[03:47] <jimpop> Barridus, i'm betting that bug will be denied/dismissed as unsupported hardware
[03:47] <Delvien> jimpop, plus... isnt xorg in karmic and anything past gutsy persistent
[03:47] <jimpop> Delvien, it should be, but if xorg can't handle something then it can be forced via xorg.conf
[03:48]  * jimpop wonders where all the Karmic experts are tonight....
[03:48] <Barridus> where is the blacklist file now?
[03:48] <secret901> jimpop: what should I look for in .xsession-errors?
[03:48] <Delvien> jimpop, "Monitor" Identifier "configured monitor" boy.. its as clear as mud
[03:48] <jimpop> Barridus, dunno, but my AAO issues with psb were modded down
[03:49] <jimpop> secret901, recent errors related to pulse/alsa/ff/flash
[03:49] <jimpop> Delvien, ;-)
[03:50] <secret901> jimpop: I only got some error about "(gnome-volume-control:4334): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_adjustment_set_value: assertion `GTK_IS_ADJUSTMENT (adjustment)' failed"
[03:50] <Barridus> psb?
[03:50] <jimpop> secret901, you can ignore that
[03:51] <jimpop> Barridus, is the Poulsbo Chipset used in the AAO 751 that i have
[03:51] <jimpop> Poulsbo (Intel) is a pretty popular chipset for netbooks
[03:51] <secret901> jimpop: I only have a sound problem with Firefox...most other applications I've tested worked fine
[03:51] <Barridus> ah
[03:52] <Barridus> anyone know where the blacklist config file is at these days
[03:52] <jimpop> secret901, i would try disabling all other plugins in FF, then delete the flash cache (.macromedia/* and .adobe/Flash*)
[03:52] <jimpop> secret901, then restart FF and try youtube again
[03:52] <jimpop> Barridus, for modules?
[03:53] <Barridus> jimpop, exactly.  having a brain fart atm
[03:53] <jimpop> Barridus, /etc/modprobe.d/
[03:53] <jimpop> Barridus, if you create a new file in that dir, then it must end in .conf to be loaded
[03:54] <georgy> Hello, ya'll. Does anyone know what the mp3/movie/etc etc codec package is called on 9.10?
[03:54] <Barridus> yeah, thanks
[03:54] <Barridus> i was looking in init.d >_>
[03:54] <webbb82>  i am triing to download a bunch of wallpaper at once doing this http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/linux-download-hundreds-of-wallpapers.html
[03:55] <webbb82> but after doig all thaT i just get a blinkin curser
[03:55] <georgy> that's pretty cool webbb
[03:55] <xrandr> anyone know any good eGroupware software suites for linux?
[03:55] <rahearn> is there anything special i have to do to get my laptop's internal microphone to work?  I have a dell xps m1330,  dual booted with windows and i know the microphone works on that side
[03:55] <xrandr> rahearn: no, not really. Open up the sound mixer and make sure that the mic isn't muted
[03:55] <OmnipotentEntity> Since upgrading to 9.10 I've had some trouble with my sound.  It seems that oss works, but alsa and pulse do not.  Can point me to any resources so I can help myself?
[03:56] <secret901> jimpop: still not working
[03:56] <georgy> sucks about the cursor :\
[03:56] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: oss not good enough? :)
[03:56] <rahearn> under the input tab i ahve input volume cranked all the way up
[03:56] <jimpop> secret901, where did you get Flash from?
[03:56] <rahearn> still nothing
[03:56] <OmnipotentEntity> xrandr, it's fine, if everything didn't try to play to pulse audio or alsa.
[03:56] <secret901> jimpop: probably from Adobe
[03:56] <xrandr> rahearn: what volume control app are u using?
[03:56] <secret901> jimpop: I haven't updated this system in a while
[03:57] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: download xine, and gstreamer
[03:57] <jimpop> webbb82, try "wget -r ftp://ftp.gnome.org:/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/"
[03:57] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: usually, that makes things work :)
[03:57] <jimpop> secret901, is it even Karmic?
[03:57] <rahearn> xrandr: just right clicked on the volume control applet and selected sound preferences
[03:57] <OmnipotentEntity> xrandr, already installed.  Should I attempt to reinstall?
[03:57] <secret901> jimpop: yes, I just upgraded it to 9.10 from 9.04
[03:57] <georgy> Hello, ya'll. Does anyone know what the mp3/movie/etc etc codec package is called on 9.10?
[03:57] <xrandr> rahearn: u in gnome or kde?
[03:57] <rahearn> gnome
[03:57] <secret901> jimpop: the audio was working in 9.04
[03:57] <webbb82> jimpop, how will i know if they are downloadin
[03:57] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: that's odd. What sound card?
[03:58] <jimpop> webbb82, wget will be quite chatty in the console window
[03:58] <OmnipotentEntity> 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[03:58] <rahearn> installed karmic fresh from an alternate beta cd
[03:58] <xrandr> rahearn: ok,  do u have a settings menu option?
[03:58] <bjsnider> if you want flash on x64, download the plugin from adobe, unpack it abd put libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[03:58] <xrandr> rahearn: im in KDE right now..
[03:58] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: ok, check nVidia's website
[03:59] <jimpop> secret901, try removing flash via Synaptic, then searching the file system for any old flash plugin
[03:59] <webbb82> jimpop, thanks alot
[03:59] <OmnipotentEntity> xrandr, what am I looking for?
[03:59] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: drivers :)
[03:59] <OmnipotentEntity> but I already have the drivers installed?
[03:59] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: the ones that came with ubuntu, or the ones from nVidia?
[04:00] <rahearn> xrandr: no menu bar in the preferences window,  i have a tab for sound effects, hardware, input, output, and applications
[04:00] <jimpop> georgy, codec for ?
[04:00] <OmnipotentEntity> I was unaware that nvidia released motherboard drivers for linux.
[04:00] <georgy> mp3 playing and all the movie codecs
[04:00] <bjsnider> nvidia didn't. others did
[04:00] <evilaim> Weird question, in compiz animations, what is the 'type' I use for 'restore'ing windows?
[04:00] <evilaim> I want to set beam up just for that...
[04:00] <xrandr> rahearn: ok, under input, do u have a mic input?
[04:00] <evilaim> burn for down, beam up for up:)
[04:01] <secret901> jimpop: I didn't install flash from Synaptic
[04:01] <jimpop> georgy, there are various ones.  Use Synaptic and search for gstreamer and look at the good/bad/ugly plugins
[04:01] <evilaim> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:01] <OmnipotentEntity> bjsnider, was that directed towards me?
[04:01] <georgy> Oh, I see
[04:01] <secret901> jimpop: I see something called "flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound".  Is that something I should try installing?
[04:01] <bjsnider> OmnipotentEntity, yuh
[04:01] <georgy> Thank you jimpop!
[04:01] <jimpop> secret901, you will need to manually pick through the file system /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ,etc and remove all older versions.
[04:02] <jimpop> secret901, i recommend that you add the Canonical Partner source (3rd Party tab) and use the flash that is provided there
[04:02] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: sorry aboyt that. i could have sworn i saw audio drivers on their site hte last time i was there looking for my graphics driver.
[04:02] <rahearn> xrandr under input, there the volume slider and mute checkbox, a input level display that doesn't seem to do anytyhing, a "Connector" drop down with Microphone 1 and Microphone 2 as options, and a Choose a device for sound input box with only one option "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"   i've tried recording with both Mic 1 and Mic 2 selected from the connector drop down
[04:02] <xrandr> rahearn: that's odd then
[04:03] <xrandr> rahearn: it should recognize one or the other
[04:03] <webbb82> i know chromium is available to linux but did google put out a official one    or is chromium the officail one
[04:04] <rahearn> xrandr: ok, well i'll try filing a bug and see if anything can come of it
[04:04] <xrandr> rahearn: tried googling?
[04:04] <secret901> jimpop: how do I add that source?
[04:04] <jimpop> secret901, System -> Admin -> Software Sources
[04:05] <xrandr> OmnipotentEntity: the only other option i can think of is go into Synaptic and search for all the alsa stuff...and install it
[04:05] <jimpop> brb
[04:08] <OmnipotentEntity> brb
[04:08] <secret901> jimpop: I see a flashplugin-installer and a flashplugin-nonfree package.  Which one should I install?
[04:09] <OmnipotentEntity> flashplugin-nonfree
[04:09] <jimpop> secret901, neither.  you want adobe-flashplugin
[04:09] <OmnipotentEntity> you may have to update-alternatives --config xulrunner-flashplugin to get firefox to use it
[04:10] <OmnipotentEntity> jimpop, it's actually called flashplugin-nonfree now. :)
[04:10] <jimpop> OmnipotentEntity, is flashplugin-nonfree the same as the Canonical Partner version called adobe-flashplugin?
[04:11] <secret901> jimpop: anyways, it worked
[04:11] <jimpop> what source provides flashplugin-nonfree
[04:11] <secret901> jimpop: thanks
[04:11] <Qrawl> is there any advantage to doing a reformat/fresh install of Karmic vs an upgrade
[04:11] <OmnipotentEntity> jimpop, flashplugin-nonfree downloads and installs the adobe installer
[04:11] <secret901> jimpop: flashplugin-nonfree is a transitional package, you should install flashplugin-installer
[04:12] <OmnipotentEntity> secret901, sorry about that, that's true it is a transitional package.
[04:12] <OmnipotentEntity> :)
[04:12] <jimpop> OmnipotentEntity, adobe-flashplugin doesn't d/l anything... it's a formal pkg provided by Canonical
[04:13] <jimpop> again, adobe-flashplugin is in the Canonical provided "Partner" source
[04:13] <secret901> jimpop: I had Flash 10r19 installed.  The newest version is 10r32
[04:13] <OmnipotentEntity> I see, is there any advantage to using the partner source over the source in multiverse?
[04:13] <secret901> jimpop: anyhow, that solved my problem.  Thanks for your help.
[04:14] <georgy> there are a zillion gstreamers o.o
[04:14] <jimpop> secret901, glad it's working for you now
[04:14] <OmnipotentEntity> brb
[04:14] <jimpop> OmnipotentEntity, the only thing i can think of is that the partner version might be more stable...but that is just my thought
[04:15] <oldude67> hey i got my flash drive to work...yeah im kicking butt now..lmfao
[04:18] <webbb82> what would the command be to uninstall chromium and install chrome
[04:19] <secret901> The release schedule says that the Release candidate comes out on October 22.  Historically, what time is it usually released?
[04:22] <leaf-sheep> secret901: October 32
[04:22] <secret901> I mean what time during the day?
[04:23] <jimpop> Technicaly speaking... October 32nd would be November 1st, right?
[04:23] <jimpop> secret901, there really is no telling..
[04:23] <leaf-sheep> secret901: Whenever when it get released, it get released. Waiting 6 hours won't hurt.
[04:24] <thiebaude> oct 29
[04:26] <rob0> oct 31 is dec 25
[04:28] <rob0> because in octal, (3x8)+1 is 25 in decimal
[04:39] <perlsyntax> does anyoneDoes anyone know bout when the releasecandidate come out?
[04:39] <perlsyntax> for 9.10
[04:39] <perlsyntax> ?
[04:40] <perlsyntax> i thought come out 22?
[04:40] <perlsyntax> oct
[04:40] <virtuald> !date
[04:41] <perlsyntax> ok
[04:41] <perlsyntax> yes virtuald
[04:41] <perlsyntax> oct 22 was the deadline
[04:42] <virtuald> Well the beta was out the day after in most time zones
[04:43] <virtuald> If I remember correctly
[04:44] <virtuald> But you can use todays dayly image, it's not going to be much different
[04:46] <leaf-sheep> perlsyntax: October 22, 2009.
[04:46] <perlsyntax> really where
[04:46] <perlsyntax> it have pyhon 2.6.4 in it?
[04:46] <maurer_> Any idea why gtk-config is unavailable in karmic?
[04:47] <FFForever2> i broke ubuntu :(
[04:47] <leaf-sheep> !info python karmic | perlsyntax
[04:47] <perlsyntax> ok
[04:48] <FFForever2> anyone want to double check something?
[04:48] <FFForever2> (make sure its not just me...)
[04:49] <vangorra> Hey all. I'm running karmic. When I login, trackerd is eating all my disk IO it takes minutes to login. Any ideas?
[04:49] <FFForever2> open an archive with archive manager and then drag a file/folder into a nautilus window
[04:50] <FFForever2> vangorra, i don't have that issue, are you fully updated
[04:51] <vangorra> FFForever2, Updating now. I'll do that and try again. thanks
[04:52] <FFForever2> vangorra, want to test my bug?
[04:52] <vangorra> sure.. what is it?
[04:52] <FFForever2> open an archive with archive manager and then drag a file/folder into a nautilus window
[04:52] <FFForever2> nautilus crashes for me =\
[04:53] <durt> vangorra, updating isn't going to do anything about trackerd, either just wait for it to complete or remove the package
[04:53] <vangorra> durt, ok, I figure its updating something in the database. but I'll update to be sure.
[04:53] <vangorra> FFForever2, testing...
[04:54] <FFForever2> thanks
[04:55] <vangorra> FFForever2, it didn't crash on me, but it did extract the whole darn archive into the dir where I dropped the file
[04:55] <FFForever2> vangorra, hmmm it crashes for me :(
[04:55] <vangorra> kill nautilus and run it in debug mode, then try to drag drop.
[04:56] <vangorra> I'm doing that for tracker now
[04:56] <FFForever2> how do i run it in debug mode?
[04:58] <vangorra> FFForever2, in looking at its man page, its not there any more. (I haven't looked since Eazel days).
[04:58] <vangorra> sorry about that
[04:58] <FFForever2> Launching nautilus from the terminal didn't crash but if i logout and log back in it worked =\
[04:58] <vangorra> that is weird
[04:58] <Xgates> for anyone else, when you start or reboot Ubuntu, do you get console messages, then the Ubuntu splash screen?
[04:58] <FFForever2> Xgates, not me
[04:58] <Xgates> I thought they would of had the boot up and reboot process with the Splash working nice by now and no more console messages spewing across the screen
[04:59] <jimpop> Xgates, not me.  what sort of console msgs?
[04:59] <vangorra> Xgates, not me either.
[04:59] <edgy> Hi, kubuntu is very slow I need ehlp debugging the problem
[04:59] <FFForever2> Xgates, i get no console messages, but i think if something fails usplash defaults to showing console stuff
[04:59] <Xgates> well this happens for me so far on two computers I've tested karmic on, one, a macbook pro and the other an older Dell Optiplex
[04:59] <edgy> X is almost 100%
[04:59] <vangorra> Boot splash is working well, but after its booted, I can't use ctrl-alt-f1
[05:00] <jimpop> certain drivers will spew messages to console at boot time...
[05:00] <Xgates> yeah but the thing is, running a Splash screen on top of the console with it running in the background is nothing new, people have been doing it in distros for years now and anything going on stays hidden in the back, but with Ubuntu it's getting spitted out, makes the bootup process look like a mess
[05:01] <jimpop> Xgates, what were/are the msgs?
[05:01] <Xgates> that's the whole point of the Splash screen, not to see what's going on at the console...
[05:01] <jimpop> not really
[05:01] <virtuald> Xgates: Update, reboot, if it's still there file a bug against the package
[05:01] <jimpop> the splash screen is to hide the known and obvious
[05:02] <Xgates> right at bootup, just after grub kicks the kernel to loading, and right when I log out of Gnome and reboot
[05:02] <jimpop> Xgates, (for the 3rd time) what msgs appear?
[05:02] <Xgates> update reboot? what --> update-grub?
[05:02] <Xgates> jimpop: I have no idea what message, going by to fast
[05:03] <jimpop> Xgates, k
[05:03] <Xgates> but I can keep rebooting till I get a idea then check dmesg
[05:03] <jimpop> Xgates, are there a lot or just a few msgs?
[05:03] <Xgates> I'd say it's like 3-4 on bootup and reboot
[05:04] <Xgates> but again it shouldn't matter what it is or how many, again the point of the Splash screen is to make the bootup process look clean for people that aren't into looking at the Console booting
[05:05] <Xgates> I've already filed a bug report a few weeks ago on this and no word yet
[05:05] <jimpop> Xgates, the entire "goal" of splash is to mask the boot seq, but that doesn't mean that all msgs should or will be suppressed
[05:05] <Xgates> I'd figure as much as into detail Ubuntu seems people would have cleaned this up by now
[05:06] <Xgates> jimpop: well off the top of my head, one distro I know that seems to have this down at keeping everything in the background is Suse
[05:06] <jimpop> Xgates, well, it may not be an Ubuntu issue
[05:06] <jimpop> it could be an upstream or a driver issue
[05:06] <jimpop> Xgates, can you speak authoritively on that for all known hardware+drivers across the spectrum?
[05:06] <jimpop> ;-)
[05:07] <Xgates> Well I think it is as far as keeping things suppressed because when distros started adding a splash screen on top of the console it gave everyone the impression that this was there for the newbies who didn't care, or want to see what was going on and just give it a clean look at bootup
[05:07] <jimpop> Xgates, there is no way to prevent something (an app, a driver, etc) from writing to console.  You can't turn console off
[05:08] <Xgates> so when this Splash thing took flight many years back I was there when all this happened and I've hardly ever seen a distro spit out messages then bring up the splash
[05:08] <jimpop> Xgates, it's not a distro issue... it's a hardware + driver issue
[05:09] <Xgates> jimpop: no one said you turn off anything or suppress messages from appearing off course the console bootup process is going on, but the whole point again of the Splash is so you don't have to see it, otherwise no point in making a splash....
[05:09] <jimpop> but that is impossible if something *wants* to report to the screen
[05:10] <Xgates> well then maybe Ubuntu needs to talk to Suse to see how they are managing to make it happen, BEHIND the splash doing the reporting
[05:10] <Xgates> my understanding is you can have it report behind the splash....
[05:10] <Xgates> In fact I've seen it personally on Suse do just that
[05:10] <jimpop> lol
[05:11] <Xgates> so I know it's possible
[05:11] <jimpop> i've seen Suse NOT do that
[05:11] <jimpop> it's hardware+driver specific
[05:11] <Jordan_U> jimpop: A splash screen can prevent anything from writing to the screen unless something actually switches ttys
[05:11] <jimpop> no it can't
[05:11] <Xgates> this isn't a distro thing it's a KERNEL thing, I'm just saying that the Suse team may of figured a way to keep console messages behind the splash reporting things going on
[05:12] <Rotund> My wife has an ALC861 sound card.  Alsamixer sees it no problem.  Pulseaudio is using the null driver as it doesn't see it
[05:12] <jimpop> at boot time (uid=0) anything can write to any console/tty
[05:12] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yes, before the splash screen starts, I thought this was about after
[05:12] <Jordan_U> Maybe I misunderstood
[05:12] <jimpop> Jordan_U, Xgates issue is during usplash
[05:12] <Xgates> Actually I've seen this in Zenwalk too...
[05:13] <jimpop> Xgates, you are going to have to figure out *what* is writting to the screen in order to be able to help dev fix it
[05:13] <Jordan_U> jimpop: If usplash is running why would anything be able to write to the framebuffer other than usplash?
[05:14] <jimpop> because uid 0 can write anywhere, anytime
[05:14] <jimpop> and modules are loaded by root (uid 0)
[05:14] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Then why is kernel mode setting needed for the kernel to show an error when X is running?
[05:15] <jimpop> Jordan_U, not following you
[05:15] <jimpop> what kernel mode setting?
[05:15] <Xgates> jimpop: like I said, I've run other distros where nothing shows up, you just boot lilo or grub, get a splash screen and that's it, I've seen this going on for many years on several distros, we're not talking about something that was just created, this is been working  many years in Linux, but not Ubuntu for some reason, UNLESS the dev team is still working on....
[05:16] <jimpop> Xgates, I have too, but it's not universal and depends heavily on drivers and hardware (i've said that 4 times no)
[05:16] <jimpop> s/no/now
[05:16] <Xgates> ok
[05:16] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.
[05:16] <jimpop> right
[05:17] <jimpop> ok, whatever then
[05:18] <Xgates> well as I'm saying, this has nothing to do with what you're using for hardware, we just talking about keeping messages behind the splash is all....
[05:18] <jimpop> this whole issue is analogous to having Firefox running in full screen mode and declaring that nothing else should be popping up or writing on the display.... it's just not techincally possible without severly limiting the kernel and OS
[05:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Why doesn't a kernel oops write a usefull message to the screen when X is running, even though the kernel developers want to?
[05:20] <i_is_broke> this might not be the right channel, but if not excuse me, and tell me so, but im trying to install slack into a virtualbox on my karmic box, anyone else have problems with installing another linux distro in vbox?
[05:20] <jimpop> Jordan_U, because the kernel doesn't understand X
[05:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Why is the ability to do exactly that one of the lauded benefits of kernel mode setting?
[05:20] <Xgates> Am I being clear here or not? Let me say it this way... Let the messages appear on the console, errors or just the normal bootup messages, OK? We're not talking about suppressing anything for not working as it normally should, WHAT we are talking about is TAKING a Splash screen and just covering everything up, ok got it?
[05:20] <Xgates>  :)
[05:21] <Xgates> THEN if you want to see what is going on, you typically hit an F key to watch the console if you don't want to see the splash... :)
[05:21] <jimpop> yes, but you are mistaking the screen on F7 for the console boot screen
[05:22] <Xgates> F7 what are you talking about?
[05:22] <jimpop> virt console
[05:22] <jimpop> display :0
[05:22] <Xgates> jimpop: have you used alot of other distros?
[05:22] <jimpop> yes
[05:23] <Jordan_U> Xgates: X is usually started on tty7, which you can get to with ctrl+alt+F7
[05:23] <jimpop> plenty
[05:23] <Xgates> Well I'm just talking about the bootup console I call it, I don't know what tty it is on
[05:24] <Xgates> X has to be started to somewhere along the lines of this bootup process and it isn't started in the beginning either, X usually falls somewhere down towards the bottom of the boot process
[05:24] <Xgates> started too somewhere...
[05:24] <jimpop> so before X starts there are how many consoles?  (output displays)
[05:25] <jimpop> i'll answer:  1
[05:25] <jimpop> and if anything writes to stdout... guess where it goes
[05:25] <Jordan_U> jimpop: You can chvt long before X starts
[05:25] <jimpop> there is no way to redirect stdout for a determined module
[05:25] <Xgates> it's written across the console
[05:26] <jimpop> Jordan_U, but not during the boot seq
[05:26] <Xgates> we all understand we are talking about messages written across the console?
[05:26] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yes during the boot sequence, try it
[05:26] <jimpop> Jordan_U, to be clear.. the kernel booting up... not init seq
[05:27] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Usplash is started by init. So again, are you talking about *before* usplash starts or after it has started?
[05:28] <jimpop> Jordan_U, i get usplash and xsplash mixed up... the one that display just the small Ubuntu logo
[05:28] <Jordan_U> jimpop: That's usplash, and it's still implemented in user space
[05:28] <jimpop> k
[05:29] <jimpop> when usplash is staring, if you add an invalid module option, that module will complain on the boot screen (on top of usplash)
[05:30] <jimpop> obviously you would have to have already added the invalid module option in /etc/modprobe.d/blah
[05:30] <Xgates> Well I'm talking before it starts, like it's lagging and should be starting sooner so that everything going on in the console gets covered by it, but it's not
[05:31] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Do you have "quiet" as a kernel parameter?
[05:31] <Xgates> OH also I"m not just talking about error problems either, sometimes, all though much rare, I'll see some of the boot process going and the splash popups and starts to cover the console
[05:31] <Xgates> Jordan_U: well last time I checked it's there by default
[05:31] <Jordan_U> Xgates: It is
[05:32] <Xgates> so summarized, I'm just saying the Splash isn't starting fast enough, it's allowing the console to be shown first spewing it's stuff out then the Splash comes in late and covers it
[05:33] <jimpop> Xgates, in that "late" time, does the console flicker or change reso?
[05:34] <virtuald> As far as I know usplash is only started when asking for luks password or running fsck in karmic, to not slow down the boot process.
[05:34] <jimpop> virtuald, do you mean "not started"?
[05:35] <Jordan_U> virtuald: I thought that was the idea too, but I still see usplash for a few seconds before xsplash starts
[05:35] <virtuald> jimpop: No
[05:36] <jimpop> so how does one enter luks pw with usplash running?
[05:37] <jimpop> usplash is the graphical ubuntu logo on the boot screen before xsplash kicks in
[05:37] <virtuald> The prompt is under the logo
[05:37] <Jordan_U> jimpop: usplash can prompt the user, for instance when there is a scheduled fsck it gives the option to skip it
[05:37] <jimpop> what Xgates is seeing is that there is a delay before usplash starts, during which a lot of kernel msgs leak by
[05:38] <Xgates> no flicker or anything
[05:38] <i_is_broke> ugh, i just was looking into arch linux and man thats a mess..lol think ill stick with karmic..lol
[05:38] <Xgates> that's the word ----> DELAY
[05:38] <Xgates> yep that Splash has been on a delay since Karmic started, heheh
[05:39] <jimpop> Xgates, have you tried purging usplash and re-installing it?
[05:40] <virtuald> Xgates: Is it the white ubuntu logo on black background?
[05:43] <jimpop> virtuald, earlier he/she said that it was
[05:43] <virtuald> Ok
[05:43] <Xgates> yeah the white logo black background
[05:43] <Xgates> purging usplash?
[05:43] <jimpop> Xgates, "sudo dpkg --purge usplash"
[05:43] <Xgates> Hmm apt-get remove --purge
[05:44] <jimpop> same thing
[05:44] <Xgates> well I'll give it a shot
[05:44] <Jordan_U> Xgates: I haven't tried this but adding something like "boot_delay=5000" as a kernel parameter might delay the messages untill usplash has started
[05:47] <rahearn> fyi for anyone still here from when i had internal mic problems on my dell laptop.  the workaround Luis states in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/449781 using alsamixer to set the mic to digital instead of analog in worked for me
[05:48] <Xgates> Jordan_U: where would you add this delay at in /etc/grud.d?
[05:48] <Xgates> grub.d...
[05:48] <jimpop> rahearn, thx.  I bookmarked that to test tomorrow
[05:49] <Jordan_U> Xgates: /etc/default/grub
[05:50] <Jordan_U> Xgates: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash boot_delay=5000"
[05:51] <Xgates> ok brb, going to try this
[05:52] <Shakti418>  does anyone here have experience with the beta of Koala on fakeraid, I'm having troubles with the grub2 part of the install, it's failing.  google searches are turning up old documents and not a sniff of a howto
[05:53] <NewbieLInux101> is there any problem is u update your ubuntu to 9.10?
[05:53] <NewbieLInux101> if u
[05:53] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: What is the error from grub, and what device are you passing to grub-install ( either manually or from the "advanced" menu in the installer ) ?
[05:53] <Jordan_U> !karmic | NewbieLInux101
[05:54] <c4pt> does anyone know of a good gui firewall application of ubuntu to configure ipfw on the fly?
[05:54] <Shakti418> using advanced, I'm pointing it at the /dev/mapper/nvidia_.... partition (not MBS)
[05:54] <c4pt> application of = application for
[05:54] <Xgates> ok that was an improvement, I didn't see anything at the beginning or at the reboot, BUT when Usplash disappears and the Ubuntu logo appears with the spotlight, just after Usplash goes away, at that point something spits by the screen really fast then the logo with the lights appears
[05:54] <Xgates> yeah this thing just needs cleaning up is all
[05:55] <c4pt> ??
[05:55] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: You shouldn't install to a partition, GRUB2 can do it, but just like with grub legacy it's prone to fail later
[05:55] <Xgates> the boot process and the splash screens is just not smooth and clean
[05:55] <Shakti418> err msg: unable to install
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: GRUB2 won't let you do it without forcing IIRC, why not install to the MBR?
[05:56] <Shakti418> Jordan_U: I'm quite happy with my current boot manager and would rather hold on to it.  I didn't have much trouble with grub
[05:56] <Xgates> oh speaking of Grub and installing it, I've been running Grub off my / root partition just fine, but I thought I'd install it to the MBR, how do you install Grub2 to the mbr?
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: You can install grub legacy in karmic
[05:57] <Shakti418> Jordan_U: yes, I could.. I guess I really need to read up on what, if any, benefits there are between grub & grub2 before I just blindly assume it's better.. but it's the age old case of "oooh, shiney! New!" lust ;)
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Xgates: If your drive is /dev/sda then "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[05:57] <evilaim> Ok, I feel like a tard, but I want to see this, if I dual boot windows 7, I have to reinstall grub...
[05:57] <evilaim> but I'm using grub 2...
[05:58] <evilaim> but does that matter if the live cd I use is karma?
[05:58] <Xgates> thanks
[05:58] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: You can install GRUB2 to a partition by passing "--force" to grub-install
[06:00] <Shakti418> Jordan: is there a howto or discussion forum on this?  I'm not finding much in my searches
[06:00] <Xgates> Jordan_U: grub.cfg has --> set root=(hd0,2)
[06:00] <Jordan_U> evilaim: Yes, if you want to restore grub legacy after windows from a karmic LiveCD you will need to install GRUB legacy in the liveCD first, if you want to restore GRUB2 to the mbr from an old LiveCD you will need to install GRUB2 on the liveCD first
[06:00] <Xgates> I did sudo grub-install /dev/sda then update-grub, but (hd0,2) isn't /dev/sda
[06:01] <Xgates> I thought that's suppose to be set root=(hd0)
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Xgates: root is your /boot partition
[06:01] <Xgates> oh ok
[06:02] <Xgates> how do we know that grub installed ok to the MBR, just from the msg it gives after running grub-install is all?
[06:02] <evilaim> Wait wait
[06:02] <evilaim> how do I install something on a cd?
[06:02] <evilaim> cd is a read only once it's finished...
[06:02] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: For the raid part: http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
[06:03] <evilaim> frig it
[06:03] <evilaim> I'mma virtual box it
[06:03] <evilaim> I don't think I can risk screwing this system atm.
[06:03] <Xgates> ok bbl
[06:03] <Xgates> thanks guys
[06:03] <evilaim> there are so many mods on it now...
[06:03] <evilaim> haha
[06:04] <Shakti418> Jordan: ain't using lvm, using dmraid
[06:04] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: Embedding in MBR vs bios partition vs GPT partition: http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Shakti418: GRUB ( 1 and 2 ) need to use blocklists if you install to the beggining of an msdos style partition
[06:07] <Shakti418> Jordan: yeap, was just reading that.
[06:08] <Shakti418> Jordan_U: guess it makes a good argument not to keep resizing your partitions ;)
[06:08] <rabidweezle> okay, my system only boots correctly every other time, and when I'm booting I see it complaining about /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 not mounting or something,
[06:08] <rabidweezle> it boots to a black screen
[06:08] <Jordan_U> rabidweezle: Did you enable encrypted /home during install?
[06:09] <rabidweezle> yes
[06:11] <Jordan_U> rabidweezle: Try commenting out your swap partition in /etc/fstab. Whether that lets you boot or not please file a bug report
[06:11]  * rabidweezle nods
[06:12] <rabidweezle> umm
[06:12] <rabidweezle> it's commented out
[06:12] <rabidweezle> can I pastebin the file?
[06:12] <Jordan_U> rabidweezle: yes
[06:13] <rabidweezle> http://pastebin.com/m460e6cc6
[06:15] <Jordan_U> rabidweezle: The last line is you actual swap partition ( when you enable encrypted home it also encrypts swap so that your files are never written unencrypted to disk )
[06:15] <Jordan_U> *your
[06:15] <rabidweezle> comment out /dev/mapper line then?
[06:15] <Jordan_U> rabidweezle: Yes
[06:15]  * rabidweezle comments it
[06:16] <rabidweezle> brb, test booting
[06:18] <Kajros> Anyone currently running Ubuntu Netbook remix 9.10?
[06:21] <JohnTeddy> When is the release date?
[06:23] <evilaim> umm
[06:23] <evilaim> october 29th is schedualed release
[06:23] <evilaim> even tho you left, I thought maybe you'd get the message
[06:23] <Kajros> lol
[06:24] <rabidweezle_> wow, no
[06:24] <rabidweezle_> that bricked it
[06:25] <Kajros> ok...
[06:25] <RabidWeezle> that mad it almost unfixable, even the reconvery console was fragged
[06:25] <RabidWeezle> recovery*
[06:25] <Jordan_U> RabidWeezle: Sorry
[06:25] <RabidWeezle> it's okay, luckily, ctrl+alt+f2 worked
[06:25] <RabidWeezle> :)
[06:26] <Kajros> I'm still trying to get UNR 9.10 beta to run off my usb but not working lol.
[06:27] <RabidWeezle> I hope these swap issues aren't going to ship on the release
[06:27]  * RabidWeezle hits up launchpad
[06:27] <leaf-sheep> Kajros: You don't know how? :(
[06:28] <leaf-sheep> Oh you want to run it off.... Hmm.
[06:28] <Kajros> I know how it just won't boot up
[06:28] <leaf-sheep> !usb | Kajros
[06:28] <Jordan_U> Kajros: WHat happens when you try to boot?
[06:29] <Kajros> Well loads up then screen is black with mouse pointer on it thats it..
[06:29] <Kajros> UNR 9.04 is running great right now no issues at all.
[06:29] <georgy> I got some questions about pidgin.. when you press X it actually closes the program when it's supposed to minimize it also it doesn't go in the notification area either o.o?
[06:30] <Kajros> I use unetbootin to make all my live USBs
[06:30] <maco> georgy: prese the minimize button?
[06:30] <RabidWeezle> Jordan_U, the splash screen starts up (usplash on ubuntu-studio), it starts scrolling about issues mounting /dev/cryptswap/whatever then sometimes it boots, sometimes it goes blackscreen
[06:30] <maco> georgy: *press
[06:30] <georgy> X = minimize not close
[06:31] <maco> georgy: X = close. minimize = minimize. and i think it defaults to hiding for minimize
[06:31] <leaf-sheep> maco: You're a genius! X means close! -- mean minimize. >_>
[06:31] <georgy> when you X it, it should go to the system notify area by the wifi icon/speaker icon etc
[06:31] <RabidWeezle> sometimes it boots fine aswell
[06:31] <georgy> never in pidgin has X = close program
[06:31] <georgy> o.o
[06:31] <leaf-sheep> georgy: Change the preferences.
[06:31] <Jordan_U> georgy: That's actually considered a bad default
[06:32] <leaf-sheep> georgy: I'm guessing you applies your old ~/.purple
[06:32] <maco> georgy: i thought they fixed X=minimized...
[06:32] <Jordan_U> georgy: It confuses new users who expect applications to close when you close them
[06:32] <maco> georgy: what youre saying sounds like they fixed it
[06:32] <georgy> I see
[06:32] <georgy> oh >_>
[06:32] <georgy> it also doesn't have a notification icon like it used to
[06:33] <georgy> I don't see any modification for that in the prefs
[06:33] <maco> georgy: use the message indicator applet
[06:33] <georgy> ooh ^_^
[06:33] <maco> georgy: apps arent supposed to just "hang out" in the notification area either ;)
[06:33] <georgy> well, im not sure if that's the correct term
[06:33] <georgy> like the right upper corner of your screen
[06:34] <georgy> is where it used to "hang out"
[06:35] <evilaim> which uses less resources, virtual box or vmware
[06:35] <georgy> vmware uses what you tell it to use
[06:35] <georgy> i never used virtual box
[06:36] <koshari> georgy vbox is the same
[06:36] <koshari> except for cpu poad
[06:36] <koshari> load
[06:36] <georgy> o i see
[06:36] <jemark> koshari, vbox is higher cpu load?
[06:36] <evilaim> Well, can I have a dedicated core out of my dual core set for vb?
[06:36] <georgy> how do i get to this message indicator applet?
[06:37] <RabidWeezle> what would be the package name to the crypt system?
[06:37] <RabidWeezle> so I can file this bug :/
[06:37] <koshari> jemark dunno, my host hardly uses many cycles at all, its the guest that uses the cycles.
[06:38] <koshari> jemark besides its not able to use both procs so it can hammer one of the cores and the system still reponds ok
[06:40] <leaf-sheep> RabidWeezle: crypt system?  Full system encryption or you're using that ecrypt thing?
[06:40] <RabidWeezle> nevermind, I got it
[06:40] <RabidWeezle> :/
[06:40] <leaf-sheep> :\
[06:40] <RabidWeezle> just doing it through launchpad instead of that other app
[06:40] <RabidWeezle> since it's a bootup bug
[06:41] <georgy> how do i get to this message indicator applet? o.0
[06:44] <leaf-sheep> georgy: Look for Mail icon on the top-right corner of the panel where the notification areas can be seen working the street
[06:44] <georgy> yeah, i use gnome-shell
[06:44] <georgy> ;]
[06:45] <georgy> not normal gnome
[06:45] <ArkoldThos> someone have google wave invitation for me :>?
[06:46] <georgy> leaf-sheep: you mad? lol.
[06:46] <leaf-sheep> georgy: No. Why would I be? ^_^
[06:47] <v3trae> good evening fellas =)
[06:47] <ArkoldThos> m00
[06:47] <RabidWeezle> leaf-sheep, what's the name of the package of the full system hard drive crypt?
[06:47] <leaf-sheep> RabidWeezle: cryptsetup
[06:47] <RabidWeezle> thanks
[06:48] <evilaim> So, what's up?
[06:49] <v3trae> So, having trouble getting dual monitors to work. Works fine until X is restarted, then it reverts to the 1 monitor setup.
[06:50] <v3trae> dont suppose anyone has any ideas
[06:52] <v3trae> i think i just figured it out and i'm an idiot. Been far too long xD
[06:54] <testi_> Will RC1 arrive today?
[06:54] <leaf-sheep> testi_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[06:55] <testi_> Thanks!
[06:56] <testi_> Remarkable response time :)
[06:56] <RabidWeezle> has anyone been able to get nvidia's drivers to compile?
[06:56] <alankila> I generally do that via dkms with no problems for ages.
[06:57] <leaf-sheep> testi_: Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite pet sheep, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:57] <RabidWeezle> o_O
[07:24] <rabidweezle> so is there a way to... take off the encryption now since it's on?
[07:26] <zmjjmz> anyone using 9.10 on a dell mini 9?
[07:26] <rabidweezle> no, but what problem are you having?
[07:26] <zmjjmz> suspend doesn't work
[07:27] <rabidweezle> report a bug to launchpad for it
[07:27] <zmjjmz> it doesn't even get to suspend
[07:27] <zmjjmz> it just hangs with the backlight on and the LED in normal
[07:28] <zmjjmz> I've done so already
[07:28] <zmjjmz> nothing's been fixed
[07:28] <zmjjmz> I'm installing new updates now though
[07:31] <rabidweezle> brb, rebooting, pray for me
[07:31] <timboy> I upgraded to +1 64-bit and postgresql isn't working :|
[07:32] <timboy> I've tried uninstalling both postgresql8.4 and postgresql8.3 and they both still exist at /etc/init.d/postgresql8.x ?
[07:33] <om26er> i invite many of my winodws friends to ubuntu and many of them say that we like it but it don't have yahoo and msn audio video calling
[07:33] <om26er> i guess telepathy-butterfly 0.5.1 will bring audio video to msn
[07:34] <zmjjmz> amsn has video
[07:34] <zmjjmz> yahoo video is supported by kopete, to an extent
[07:34] <om26er> zmjjmz: video without audio??
[07:35] <timboy> om26er, wrong channel... but emeseneworks with windowsl live messenger
[07:36] <timboy> *Emesene
[07:37] <om26er> and yahoo
[07:40] <tgpraveen> om26er: amsn,emsense for msn audio video, even empathy has msn av chat support
[07:41] <tgpraveen> even empathy with using telepathy ppa has msn av chat support
[07:41] <tgpraveen> for yahoo gyache has av support
[07:41] <tgpraveen> search for it on forums
[07:42] <oops67> do they even have empathy straightened out yet..or is it still acting weird?
[07:44] <chibihogoshino> any one know of a way to get karmic to hibernate ?
[07:51] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Did hibernation work for you in jaunty?
[07:52] <chibihogoshino> yeas
[07:52] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[07:53] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Does it freeze when hibernating or resuming or something else?
[07:54] <chibihogoshino> it kinda start to shut down ..  it disconnects from the network and i think tryed to spin the hd down.. but dosnt go any forther
[07:54] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Can you reboot with magic sysrq at that point?
[07:54] <Ian_Corne> hibernate works for me
[07:55] <Ian_Corne> It does take long
[07:55] <chibihogoshino> i dont really need to reboot .. i still have access to the system
[07:55] <chibihogoshino> i just reconnect to get network and its like i didnt do anything
[07:55] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Ok, do you get an error message about hibernation failing?
[07:56] <chibihogoshino> i dont think so..
[07:56] <mysticdarkhack> hello
[07:56] <chibihogoshino> that wouldnt happen to popup on screen would it ?
[07:56] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Yes it would
[07:56] <chibihogoshino> ahh. well i dont remember seeing anything about that
[07:56] <mysticdarkhack> rc going smoothly
[07:57] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: There may also be something usefull in "dmesg"
[07:57] <chibihogoshino> i know there was a bug that it wouldnt work if you didnt have a swap partition but i do have one
[07:57] <chibihogoshino> ill try it now.. maybe i just didnt wait long enough
[07:57] <mysticdarkhack> wish they would choose a different gdm background
[07:59] <mysticdarkhack> although ubuntu is heading in the right direction
[07:59] <Jordan_U> I really like where they are going with the pannel icons
[08:00] <chibihogoshino> that was interesting ..
[08:00] <mysticdarkhack> would be nice if they have icon for fusion-icon and dropbox icon to match the theme
[08:01] <chibihogoshino> the hd and fan spun down, the network disconnected and then the screen flickered ..
[08:01] <Jordan_U> mysticdarkhack: Why create icons for the comptetition ;)
[08:01] <chibihogoshino> but  no hibernation
[08:01] <Boohbah> chibihogoshino: i'm trying it now on my eeepc. i can get it to hibernate but not wake up
[08:01] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[08:01] <chibihogoshino> that is odd
[08:01] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Did it lock the screen ( Did you have to enter your password ) ?
[08:01] <chibihogoshino> no
[08:02] <mysticdarkhack> Jordan_U, lol
[08:02] <chibihogoshino> the most that happened is that the screen ficked off then of
[08:02] <chibihogoshino> on
[08:02] <mysticdarkhack> geez, now I need to get vmware working again
[08:02] <chibihogoshino> the hd does crank and the swap file went up by about 40%
[08:04] <mysticdarkhack> later all
[08:04] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: Can you pastebin the output from "dmesg" and /var/log/pm-suspend.log ?
[08:05] <chibihogoshino> shur .. where is that ?
[08:06] <Boohbah> where is what?
[08:06] <Boohbah> what hardware and kernel do you have?
[08:06] <chibihogoshino> lenovo t61
[08:06] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/pm-suspend.log && dmesg | pastebinit
[08:07] <chibihogoshino> ok so whats that do  /
[08:07] <chibihogoshino> ?
[08:08] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: That sends debug info to a waebsite and outputs url's to give us so that we can access them
[08:09] <chibihogoshino> http://pastebin.com/f38be6f37
[08:10] <oops67> anyone know of a book that might be in the local library on learning ssh and putty and stuff...?
[08:14] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: I'm not sure what is happening, please file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug pm-utils" and mention that it's a regression ( since it worked in 9.04 )
[08:14] <Boohbah> oops67: why not use the internet? http://www.electrictoolbox.com/article/applications/ssh-putty/
[08:16] <chibihogoshino> ok..
[08:16] <chibihogoshino> never  mind. i should of waited 30 more seconds..
[08:16] <chibihogoshino> my swap partition was turned off for some reason
[08:17] <tgpraveen> gnome bug #593086
[08:17] <chibihogoshino> i dont remember turning it off .. but i just turned it back on and now it works fine.
[08:17] <oops67> Boohbah, thanks, but it just seems that when im sitting here in front of the computer, someone has me working on something for them and i rarely have time to do squat on it i want to...almost worse then a job.
[08:17] <oops67> Boohbah, but i did book mark that page and thank you.
[08:19] <chibihogoshino> now they just need to get rid of pulseaudio
[08:19] <oldude67> chibihogoshino, i havent  had an issue with pulse in a while now.
[08:19] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: What problem are you having with pulseaudio?
[08:20] <chibihogoshino> it lags when i try to play games
[08:22] <chibihogoshino> for general use like playing music and watching movies its fine..
[08:22] <chibihogoshino> i just dont know why they had to change it alsa, even oss worked fine.
[08:23] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: That's probably Ubuntu's fault unfortunately, see: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html
[08:24] <chibihogoshino> nice
[08:26] <chibihogoshino> thanks for your help..
[08:26] <alankila> I'm happy that OSS is dead and buried. People who pine after that don't really observe how primitive an API it really is.
[08:27] <alankila> even 4front's OSS4 seemed to suck, the last time I examined its documentation. For instance, with OSS4 you had an ioctl for setting latency. But there were no hard values in it. You could say you wanted a little or latency or a lot of latency and the intention clearly is that you try various values and see which works for you. Whoever designs OSS4 is a fool.
[08:28] <rashed2020> When's the RC supposed to be coming out?
[08:28] <alankila> then there were a few methods that actually yielded accurate information about the state of buffer fill-up and these methods were all marked with "don't use this, you are probably doing some advanced application and you should know that's Bad and Wrong."
[08:28] <chibihogoshino> lol
[08:29] <alankila> I mean, a patronizing API. *sigh*
[08:29] <chibihogoshino> ill just have to get used to it.. do they have a good mixer for pulse ?
[08:29] <chibihogoshino> i cant stand the one that is in the gnome applet
[08:29] <alankila> in pulse there's just one mixer control: the volume of an application, I think.
[08:30] <Jordan_U> chibihogoshino: System > Preferrences > Sound is pretty good in Karmic
[08:31] <cybersplice> morning
[08:31] <chibihogoshino> yeah.. thats the same one.
[08:44] <Deathvalley122> hmm
[08:45] <Deathvalley122> so karmic is getting released on the 29th eh?
[08:46] <Ian_Corne> So i've heard
[08:47] <Deathvalley122> fun =/
[08:47] <Ian_Corne> today release candidate
[08:48] <Deathvalley122> so is it true that there is a different filesystem in karmic?
[08:50] <DaZ> Deathvalley122: ext4
[08:50] <DaZ> if you mean default filesystem :f
[08:51] <Deathvalley122> will that get switched over when updating to karmic?
[08:52] <DaZ> Deathvalley122: ext3 can be mounted as ext4
[08:52] <Frickelpit> Deathvalley122: no
[08:52] <DaZ> but it doesn't hava all the goodies
[08:53] <Deathvalley122> hmm interesting
[08:54] <Deathvalley122> any new features besides the bug fixes?
[08:54] <DaZ> Deathvalley122: yes
[08:54] <DaZ> but google it because i don't remember right now ;f
[08:55] <DaZ> Deathvalley122: but you can enable them manually
[08:55] <DaZ> but it requires umounting the partition and works only on new files
[08:59] <foxy_mefisto_> so ext4 will be the default in karmic?
[09:01] <digdeep> hi, could someone look at this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1296090&highlight=firefox+chromium
[09:01] <sagaci> when's the rc due
[09:12] <cwraig> hi all how can i turn back on the change workspace on mouse scroll
[09:13] <Ian_Corne> digdeep: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[09:13] <Ian_Corne> or that your DNS is working
[09:35] <Ademan> what's the new login screen controlled by? and how can i modify it?
[09:37] <digdeep> "/etc/resolv.conf" --> nameserver 10.1.1.1
[09:38] <v3trae> good evening, anyone figured out how to put custom GDM themes on Karmic?
[09:38] <nick125> v3trae: You'd have to downgrade GDM, since the new GDM doesn't support themes (as fars I know of)
[09:38] <Ademan> v3trae: funny, i was just asking that more or less
[09:38] <v3trae> Hah, that would explain it then.
[09:39] <Ademan> nick125: well what we see can't be all hard coded, where are the background files and such kept?
[09:41] <v3trae> Ademan: i haven't found anything on it, i dont NEED to do it though.
[09:42] <v3trae> But as far as Karmic goes, i'm extremely impressed so far.
[09:42] <nick125> Ademan: Not sure.
[09:42] <Ademan> v3trae: yeah i don't *need* to do it either, i just want to change the stupid background to a different color though :-p
[09:43] <v3trae> Ademan: haha, i rather like the new login and boot screen, just wish it was a bit more high-res
[09:43] <Ademan> v3trae: if you're feeling particularly dedicated /usr/share/gdm/gdmsetup.ui is a gtkbuilder-looking xml file that seems to describe the interface, i don't see any references to other media that it uses though
[09:43] <nick125> What about..../usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/background.png ? :)
[09:45] <Ademan> nick125: i don't think i have that... but that sure sounds like it lol
[09:45] <nick125> Ah, nevermind. It's a left-over on my system from the old GDM.
[09:46] <Ademan> ah, found it though
[09:46] <Ademan> v3trae: /usr/share/xsplash !
[09:46] <Ademan> er, /usr/share/images/xsplash
[09:47] <v3trae> Ademan: thats the background file?
[09:48] <Ademan> v3trae: it's a directory containing all of the background files, the logo, and the little progress bar thing
[09:49] <v3trae> Ademan: beautiful
[09:51] <benste> does someone know at what time karmic RC will be available ? - preferable in CET :-)
[09:52] <v3trae> Ademan: you been messing with compiz at all?
[09:52] <Ademan> v3trae: naw, i never used compiz for long, it doesn't do a couple of things that metacity does, and I don't really need the flair
[09:53] <tavasti> benste, beta was out around 22:00 CET
[09:53] <v3trae> Ademan: ahh, never used metacity, and i like the flare ;)
[09:53] <tavasti> so I would bet rc won't be earlier
[09:54] <benste> what the ? that's kindda late in my calender release is scheduled as a whole day event and Win 7 is available since shops opened ;-(
[09:54] <benste> tavasti: v3trae so is there anything else than the cdimages.ubuntu.com iste I could check ?
[09:55] <tavasti> it's just question you are living on wrong place, move to Tahiti
[09:55] <benste> rofl
[09:55] <tavasti> that beta came out 23:00 in my time, so hardly on right day
[09:56] <benste> tavasti: - where do you live ?
[09:56] <benste> London ?
[09:57] <benste> Bur if it will come out ~ 22:00 CET it will be on next day in US woun#t it ?
[09:57] <tavasti> Finland, near Tampere
[09:57] <benste> tavasti: doesn't finland have CET too ?
[09:57] <tavasti> I suppose rc is out when http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/910rc doesn't give error
[09:58] <tavasti> Finland is EET
[09:58] <benste> tavasti: sorry I  messed up time zones - so the autralians will get it one day later :-9
[09:59] <alankila> DId you know that Ubuntu's statement "linux for human beings" is tantamount to endorsing nazism? I did not.
[09:59] <benste> tavasti: what about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ - this one should include karmic RC if it's available shouldn't it ?
[09:59] <alankila> But someone made the argument that this means users of other linux distributions aren't humans and that this is step 3 of Gregory Stanton's "Eight Stages of Genocide". Oh boy.
[10:00] <alankila> So when you see troops coming for Fedora Core, SuSE and other users, you know that this one poster called it.
[10:01] <tavasti> benste, most likely yes, but sometimes there might be non-final/testing files available there
[10:01] <RussellAlan> Any reccomendations for themes for kubuntu?
[10:01] <RussellAlan> or site?
[10:01] <tavasti> at least for me (and many others) beta works fine, install it and upgrade
[10:02] <benste> RussellAlan: http://kde-look.org/
[10:03] <benste> tavasti: I've made my own experience with test version upgrades the last releases, all is mostly fine (isntalled Alpha4 last time) but those huge ammount of upgrades slows down the system a lot even after they're installed
[10:03] <benste> tavasti: but it looks like this is my only chance to install today - since I'm in germany
[10:04] <tavasti> there should be some daily-image available, but don't know where
[10:05] <tavasti> latest daily should be ~same as rc
[10:05] <benste> tavasti: I've never tried daily images - what's the difference ?
[10:06] <tavasti> as it says, built every day, includes latest updates
[10:06] <tavasti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
[10:06] <benste> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:06] <tavasti> as you can see, there has been more than 1 daily :-)
[10:06] <benste> or ?
[10:07] <tavasti> live-cd is for running from cd
[10:07] <ratpoison> Hello! Gnome Karmic amd64 user, fully updated. amarok won't run!
[10:08] <ratpoison> Error Message: Bus Error (Core Dumped)
[10:12] <Ademan> ratpoison: unlikely, but is dbus not running?
[10:13] <ratpoison> I see them in top
[10:14] <ratpoison> Ademan, dbus-daemon & dbus-launch are the processes I see
[10:14] <RussellAlan> where do i find theme manager
[10:14] <Ademan> ratpoison: yeah sounds like that's fine
[10:14] <RussellAlan> i'm new to themes ;-)
[10:14] <Ademan> RussellAlan: system->preferences->appearance
[10:14] <RussellAlan> i thought so.
[10:15] <ratpoison> Ademan, how do I debug?
[10:17] <RussellAlan> When I'm in appearance... I'm in the colors, where do I go for full on themes
[10:18] <ratpoison> RussellAlan, if you want access to new themes, go to www.gnome-look.org
[10:18] <ratpoison> RussellAlan, or find ones in synaptic
[10:18] <ratpoison> they'll appear under, well, themes tab
[10:19] <bartmon> Hi! Can someone check the version of vlc in karmic for me? apt-cache show vlc | grep -i version
[10:19] <ratpoison> bartmon, sure, you could also do a web package search
[10:19] <ratpoison> wait
[10:19] <ratpoison> bartmon Version: 1.0.2-1ubuntu2
[10:19] <v3trae> bartmon: 1.0.2-1ubuntu2
[10:20] <bartmon> ratpoison v3trae: thanks! Finally the 1.0! :D
[10:21] <ratpoison> barmon: if you're in an earlier version, try the PPA
[10:21] <benste> by the way what does the "Nominate for release" button in launchpad mean - does it mean > should be pushed into next release ?
[10:22] <trijntje> is the dontzap package removed from karmic?
[10:23] <bartmon> ratpoison: I think I will. I'm really tired of the bug which causes Xvideo output to be in a separate window from the controls. Supposedly it's fixed in v1.0+.
[10:23] <ripps> trijntje: not necessary, ctrl+alt+backspace can be configured from a the keyboard control panel
[10:24] <ripps> trijntje: System->Preferences->Keyboard->Layouts->Layout Options->Key sequence to kill the X server
[10:24] <ratpoison> hmmmmm this looks like I can't start ANY qt4 apps
[10:24] <ratpoison> I've just tried it with subdownloader, amarok & k3b
[10:25] <RussellAlan> ratpoison: where's this themes tab in synaptic dm?
[10:26] <trijntje> ripps, i'm on kubuntu. It should be under system -> display, but its not there
[10:27] <ratpoison> RussellAlan, It's not a tab per se, Synaptic Package Manager just downloads new packages, and there are some packaged themes in there
[10:27] <ripps> trijntje: oh... no idea about kde, you'll need to change a hidden file in your home directory
[10:27] <ratpoison> RussellAlan, an appropriate search key should show you. For example, "Gnome gtk themes" or "Gnome Icon Themes" or whatever you want
[10:27] <ripps> trijntje: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[10:28] <ratpoison> RussellAlan, also, use the community contributed documentation, it has loads of info on Eye candy
[10:28] <RussellAlan> thanls
[10:28] <RussellAlan> thanks*
[10:29] <trijntje> ripps, thanks for your help, but I need a "GUI way" to do that, ill ask again
[10:29] <ripps> trijntje: the page says how to do it with kde
[10:31] <ripps> trijntje: systemsettings->Regional & Language->Keyboard Layout->Enable Keyboard Layouts->Advanced->Key sequence to kill the X server
[10:32] <trijntje> ripps: thanks a lot!
[10:32] <ripps> yw
[10:36] <trijntje> ripps, I needed the gui way because i'm working on kubuntu-docs, not because i dont want to type ;)
[10:37] <slalomsk8er> pulse guru needed - 9.10 on a hp 2133 falls back to dummy output - trigger unknown - user in audio group
[10:42] <ripps> slalomsk8er: have you filed a bug report with ubuntu-bug?
[10:43] <slalomsk8er> ripps: no i first want to have a better understanding of the problems source
[10:43] <ripps> slalomsk8er: hard to diagnose the problem with all the logs and hw info that ubuntu-bug provides
[10:44] <ripps> *without
[10:44] <slalomsk8er> ok i will add what I find to a bug and post the url here
[10:50] <trijntje> How can I disable the systembeep in Konsole? (or is it off by default)
[10:52] <ripps> trijntje: http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg13t05.htm
[10:52] <iceroot> trijntje: only for the konsole or system-wide?
[10:53] <trijntje> iceroot, only for konsole
[10:54] <trijntje> ripps, i get settings -> edit profile (and some unrelated options), and there are no options related to the beep sound in that screen
[10:55] <ripps> trijntje: I don't use konsole, so I'm relying on my google-fu.  How about:  Konsole > Settings > Configure Notifications > Bell In Visible Session.
[10:59] <visik7> hi
[10:59] <visik7> where is the gdm config panel ? I can't find it anyomore
[11:02] <trijntje> ripps, that it, thanks a lot again
[11:03] <ripps> visik7: no, not really. You can setup autologin stuff with gdmsetup
[11:04] <visik7> ripps: yes but there was a big panel with many options for example themes settings and stuff like that
[11:04] <visik7> ripps: where is it?
[11:04] <ripps> nobodies bother to make a new gdm control panel since they rewrote gdm
[11:04] <visik7> so how can I choose which session to log in ?
[11:05] <ripps> visik7: it should be configureable from the bottom tool bar in the login screen
[11:05] <ripps> visik7: some other settings can be changed in gconf
[11:05] <visik7> mm ok
[11:10] <karmic> how to disable wireless card??
[11:14] <coz_> hey guys... can anyone tell me if any of the "visuals" in karmic are going to change?  specifically the  white ubuntu symbol when booting and that black image with white     "ubuntu" and snappy progress bar?
[11:15] <Ian_Corne> i doubt that
[11:15] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   oh that's not good news
[11:15] <Ian_Corne> why?
[11:16] <Ian_Corne> altho I liked the progress bar too
[11:17] <prunusDulcis> hello, is this the correct channel if I am having problems with wireless in ubuntu karmic beta?
[11:17] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   well out of "all' ubuntu versions this combination  of colors and lack of colors is the most  lack of vision... and doesnt tie in with the actual system colors...also I expected..the first time I booted into karmic that the desktop was going to be as dark as that dark screen...
[11:17] <Ian_Corne> Ã¾
[11:19] <coz_> prunusDulcis,  it is yes.. however if no one can answer your question or solve the issue right now you might want to try  ##linux channel as well
[11:20] <ripps> !ask | prunusDulcis
[11:22] <ripps> coz_: The splash themes are finalized.
[11:22] <coz_> ripps,  oh no!  well I assume they can be individualized?
[11:23] <ripps> coz_: I don't know, you used to be able to change usplash, but I'm not sure how easy it is change either usplash or xsplash are now
[11:23] <ripps> coz_: what's wrong with them? I think they're pretty slick
[11:24] <coz_> ripps,  they are not consistent with the system colors in any manor...they imply a different  look to the system
[11:24] <coz_> on first boot
[11:24] <coz_> from then on its just irritating to look at :)
[11:27] <ripps> coz_: well, gdm doesn't have config tool anymore, so good luck trying to change it. If your unhappy with ubuntu's design decisions, try using another distro, or even an ubuntu direvitive like mint
[11:27] <coz_> ripps,  well no that's not a good solution...
[11:31] <prunusDulcis> thank you all for the helpfull suggestions (I'm a newbie to IRC)! The issue has been resolved by the help of the German channel :-)
[11:38] <ripps> coz_: right now, due to upgrades and changes to how boot up works, it's not very easy to customize it to your liking. If you want, you can figure out how to change everything manually, or you can help upstream by helping make a new customization tool for gdm, etc.
[11:38] <coz_> ripps,  yeah I have been on the art team for a few years but didnt see this one coming   thanks
[11:53] <virtuald> my fast user switch applet fails to start and i suspect it doesn't start because gnome-panel isn't ready. when i have no apps session saved it starts as it should
[12:10] <acuster> hey all, in natulius with usb keys, why is the 'eject' button not tied to the 'safely remove drive' action?
[12:10] <acuster> the action is fantastic to have, it seems silly not to use it by default
[12:10] <vistakiller1> i see that now you cant preorder cd's
[12:11] <vistakiller1> i collect cd from dapper
[12:11] <vistakiller1> is option to buy them from canonical shop?
[12:11] <vistakiller1> i see that there you can buy ony 5 and not 1
[12:13] <qos_> hey guys. whats about the new behavoir of nautilus. it now offers all mountpoints of /etc/fstab imediately. i like the old behavior more. is there a possibility to revert it back?
[12:18] <trijntje> Hi all. I set "Restor manually saved session" in Kubuntu, but I get no option to "Save session" in my Kickoff menu. Is this a known problem or can someone verify this for me?
[12:18] <cjs> So how do I set gdm not to display all the valid logins in, what's this one?, kissing koala?
[12:19] <cjs> trijntje: Ubuntu (or Gnome, more likely) broke all the saved session stuff ages ago, like before 9.04.
[12:20] <trijntje> cjs, i'm on Kubuntu, or is it broken there too?
[12:20] <cjs> Ah, that's another world; you're using another session manager.
[12:20] <cjs> But heck, the KDE guys may be trying to keep up with Gnome breakage. :-)
[12:21] <trijntje> hehe
[12:22] <slalomsk8er> pulseaudio problem at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/458078 help appreciated
[12:23] <cjs> Anyway, no hope for just the "type your name in here" login screen?
[12:24] <cjs> It's a security issue; I want to be able to get through US Customs. :-)
[12:25] <jonnor> cjs: wth?
[12:27] <trijntje> Hi all. I set "Restor manually saved session" in Kubuntu, but I get no option to "Save session" in my Kickoff menu. Is this a known problem or can someone verify this for me?
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> Kickoff? Hmm.
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> !info kickoff
[12:28]  * Dr_Willis is not sure what kickoff even is.
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> It sounds familer.
[12:28] <cjs> jonnor: ?
[12:29] <trijntje> the main menu button in KDE
[12:29] <jonnor> cjs: how is said behaviour a requirement for getting through US customs?
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I dont use kde4 enough to be sure.. but i think there was some session settings to ask on exit, or auto-save.
[12:29] <cjs> Gah, and logout gives me a dialogue box.
[12:30] <vistakiller1> i use kde and i have the save session
[12:30] <vistakiller1> save in ram
[12:30] <vistakiller1> save in diski
[12:30] <cjs> jonnor: So one can log in to a non-suspcious-looking account in front of the guy, and let him troll your hard drive (or what he can access of it) through some visual, windows-like interface.
[12:30] <vistakiller1> i have this options
[12:31] <trijntje> vistakiller1, no, its about 'saving' the running programs so that they start the next time you log in
[12:31] <vistakiller1> a
[12:31] <vistakiller1> take look then in system settings
[12:31] <vistakiller1> but i dont know if this option still exist in kde 4
[12:31] <cjs> Really, if you try to explain that you use a heavily customized fvwm2, and there's no nautilus available, they start to get antsy, and then just decide to take away your computer for a few weeks to "evaluate" it.
[12:31] <vistakiller1> i remember it in kde3
[12:32] <jonnor> I wonder what they would do to me with my tiling wm setup.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/win7-transformation-pack-for-ubuntu.html
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:33] <qos_> hey guys. how can i hide unmounted volumes from nautilus side panel in karmic?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> qos_:  thers some gconf setting for that i think. It may been in that ubuntu-tweak program i saw. But i think that hid them from the desktop and the side panel.
[12:34] <cjs> jonnor: It's pretty simple: they're not Linux experts, so they take away your computer, give it to a forensic guy, and if he finds things are ok and there's not a whole lot of encrypted shit he can't access, you can pick it up a couple of weeks later.
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> actually mine  are in the side panel and not the desktop now.. when did that start happening..
[12:35] <cjs> So there's no freaking way of getting that login off the gdm screen in 9.10?
[12:35] <qos_> Dr_Willis, yes i know what you mean. Thats not the one i am looking for. There are ssh & smb mountpoints in my /etc/fstab and these are always shown. very annoying ...
[12:35] <DanThirst> I'm looking for some one that might be able to help me with clock, and auto syncing
[12:35] <jonnor> cjs: and what are they looking for in the first place?
[12:36] <jonnor> And is this actually something one should be concerned about when going ot the US?
[12:36] <cjs> jonnor: I dunno. "Suspicous" things. The software equivalant of box-cutters, presumably.
[12:37] <cjs> Any file full of liquids greater than 3 oz.
[12:37] <slalomsk8er> cjs: by a new hdd and format it with the manufacturers rescue cd and get over the border with that and reinsert your work hdd after you are in
[12:37] <cjs> This is not rational shit, you understand.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> You culd use a login manager OTHER then gdm...
[12:38] <cjs> slalomsk8er: Yeah, I've got ideas like that...
[12:38] <jonnor> No, that plane went in 2001.
[12:38] <cjs> Dr_Willis: Hmm! You might have an idea there. Although I'm getting tempted to just freaking switch off of Gnome; they seem to lose features with every release. Anyway, what are your suggestions?
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> cjs:  no idea what you are doing.. but you could just not use gdm and login via console. :)
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> or use xdm, or qingly, (sp?) or some of the other Xdm alternatives.
[12:39] <slalomsk8er> cjs: i like qingy
[12:39] <cjs> jonnor: Yes, exactly. And they are going to make sure that never happens again, even if it never will. (Even if it started failing sometime around 11 a.m. on 2001-09-11.)
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know if qingy works with 9.10
[12:40] <slalomsk8er> Dr_Willis: it will work but if you will have the nice look, that I don't know ;)
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a good reason to use netbooks and easially replaced os's installed to flash drives :)
[12:40] <cjs> Yeah, I used to be a "startx" guy myself, so I'm familiar with that sort of stuff. But this GUI stuff is a bit complex; what buttons do I push to just get a new login manager? Or, ideally, just get a uid>1000 user out of the list?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> gdm used to have configs to hide specific users. but no idea about the new gdm
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> its configs are in xlm format and vie not expored them
[12:43] <cjs> Hmm, yes, go at the config files. Which appear to be a bit gone. (No /etc/*gdm*, /etc/*/*gdm*, etc.) Or is it not called gdm any more?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Err.. i have /etc/gdm herre
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> and several files/dirs in it.
[12:44] <cjs> On 9.10?
[12:45] <slalomsk8er> cjs: it is gnome so try gconfedit
[12:45] <cjs> Ah, it's there. Ok. My typo.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:51] <cjs> slalomsk8er: You really think so? I'm pretty familiar with that sort of stuff (though I usually just edit XML files under my .gconfd and, rather unsuccessfully, keep them in revision control). Gconfedit strikes me as mostly a user-specific sort of thing.....
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> theres the gnome custome - but ive no idea what settings are even aloowed in it.. It might take the old gdm settings
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.24/configuration.html#daemonconfig
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> has potential :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[12:52] <DanThirst> ok did any one suggest any thing about my clock issue
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> DanThirst:  i dident see a real question asked.. other then 'help with clock and auto syncing'
[12:53] <cjs> Dr_Willis: That gives me just what the System/Admin/Login Screen menu gave me: i.e., no way to change whether we display user names on the login screen like we used to be able to do in 9.04 and earlier.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> cjs:  yep. checking the docs also.. dont see much in that area documented
[12:54] <DanThirst> yeah it isn't working
[12:54] <cjs> I think they just removed it. I've been watching the Gnome guys remove shit version by version for about three releases now.
[12:54] <cjs> Christ.;
[12:55] <BluesKaj> !language | cjs
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> going to have to forke gnome to have a 'gnome-with-settings-you-can-actually-change' some day? :)
[12:55] <cjs> ubottu: Sorry.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> from a forum post.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Basically the old gdm.conf-custom entries now need to go into /etc/gdm/custom.conf;
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> but i  would have to find an old gdm.conf to see what settings hid specif users
[12:56] <cjs> I don't want to hide specific users, I just want a "type username here, password here" dialog box.
[12:57] <cjs> And I can't find a gdm.conf-custom file on my 9.04 box. :-(
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> you make it..
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> gdm reads gdm.conf, then gdm.conf-custom if it exiss
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> check gdm.conf for what stuff should be in a gdm.conf-custome
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> but what you want is more of a theme thing Im thinking.
[12:58] <theadmin> Hello. When Karmic will be released what would be a best way to upgrade? Via manager or via alternative-install CD?
[12:58] <cjs> Well, given that I've changed some of this stuff (e.g., don't show dots for password chars when typing it), you'd think it'd be there already. But I configured it all through System/Administration/Login Window in 9.04, so I have no idea where that information went.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  depends on  the specifics. and if you want to bother gettting a cd/iso  or just want to do a net upgrade.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  and the # of pcs you are upgrading
[12:59] <ptl> where could I have a good upstart tutorial?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> ptl:  ive not really seen one.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> ptl:  the upstart wiki page is more hard-core-system-programer focused.
[12:59] <theadmin> ptl: read manuals and yelp
[13:00] <thopiekar> hi
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> been trying to track down a 'upstart for dummies' guide :)
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> I understand it - but think i am missing some fundamental/imporntant/basic things about upstart.
[13:00] <thopiekar> I can't find "system-config-services" in the ubuntu repos.. is that normal?
[13:00] <trijntje> Hi all. I set "Restor manually saved session" in Kubuntu, but I get no option to "Save session" in my Kickoff menu. Is this a known problem or can someone verify this for me?
[13:00] <cjs> Maybe I should just change my UID to be below 1000.
[13:01] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Now. I'm upgrading one comp. I don't really care about the method. I just want stuff to work fine without problems that an update could cause.
[13:01] <ptl> Dr_Willis: ok...
[13:01] <ptl> theadmin: which section?
[13:01] <sH0cKwAVe> i can't upgrade to 9.10. pressed alt+f2 then typed update-manager -d and it says "your system is up to date"
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  then it wouldent matter how you do it.  Upgradeing can cause issues..  or it may work fine.. if you want fewest issues a clean install may be the way to go.
[13:01] <theadmin> ptl: If you're just new to linux, go to linuxmint.com and download their tutorial PDF. Mint is very alike ubuntu
[13:01] <sH0cKwAVe> what i'm doing wrong
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> !upgrade | sH0cKwAVe
[13:02] <theadmin> SH0ckWave: It's not yet released, you have to wait.
[13:02] <ptl> theadmin: I am reading initctl manpage, will try following that.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> at this time - yea. i would say wait for release.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> ptl:  yep - i need to read that manual someday also :)
[13:03] <sH0cKwAVe> ty all
[13:03] <cjs> Ok, I give up. Time to shut down 9.10.
[13:03] <thopiekar> no answers to my question?
[13:03] <Pici> theadmin: Thats not correct.  update-manager -d should upgrade you to the latest development release.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> cjs, only a week to go ..don't give up yet
[13:04] <theadmin> Oh. Also... will they give me the lamp back in Karmic?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> 'the lamp' ?
[13:04] <theadmin> Like, upgrade manager notification area icon, as it was in interpid.
[13:04] <cjs> BluesKaj: What, like they're going to suddenly reverse the "remove features I use" trend I've been seeing since 8.04? And anyway, it's Gnome, not Ubuntu, that's doing this.
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> i see an icon every so often saying i have 44 updates and so forth..
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ok , well sorry to hear that, I'm on kde and things are going well so far
[13:06] <BluesKaj> BBL
[13:06] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: You see a real icon? I just see upgrade manager window popping up instead.
[13:06] <sH0cKwAVe> "To upgrade to Karmic from Jaunty, just run (Alt+F2) "gksudo update-manager -d" but still can't upgrade
[13:07] <cjs> theadmin: Ah, I get the window instead of the icon too, in 9.04.
[13:07] <dodododo> Hello guys, when can we expect the release candidate ISOs
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  ive seen a littel Star icon. not sure where its comming from. Ive installed so much stuff on here
[13:07] <theadmin> dodododo: 7 days before release.
[13:07]  * Dr_Willis begins to count the times people ask when the RC will be out.. :)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> thats 1. :)
[13:08] <sH0cKwAVe> how do i force upgrade from jaunty to karmic beta?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> RC is scheduled for today i thought.. or was it tomorrow.
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> The release candidate is a production-quality pre-release one week before the final release. In an ideal world, it would be (functionally) identical to the final release.
[13:08] <dodododo> Dr_Willis, it is today I think / hope
[13:09] <theadmin> sH0ckwAVe, run upgrade manager with -d flag.
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Yep supposed to be today.  when its done it will be done.
[13:09] <theadmin> sh0ckwave: As in, "update-manager -d"
[13:09] <dodododo> Dr_ Willis you idiot
[13:09] <sH0cKwAVe> the admin: it says - system is up to date (translated from my language to english)
[13:10] <sH0cKwAVe> or system is not needed to be upgraded
[13:10] <sH0cKwAVe> something like that
[13:11] <theadmin> sh0ckwave: Type this to a terminal "sudo killall update-manager ; update-manager -d"
[13:11] <Italian_Plumber> is it planned/expected that there's a (major?) kernel update one week before a release?
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> Italian_Plumber:  i would find that supriseing.
[13:11] <Italian_Plumber> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/USN-852-1
[13:13] <sH0cKwAVe> theadmin: it wasn't running, killall returned: process not killed
[13:14] <theadmin> Ok, then just what on earth? Let me try this one out.
[13:14] <sH0cKwAVe> theadmin: lunched update-manager -d again, and the same result
[13:15] <theadmin> sh0ckwave: I get this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2012912/Screenshot.png
[13:17] <Italian_Plumber> shock: what are you trying to do?
[13:17] <theadmin> sh0ckwave: check Admininstration -> Software Sources -> Updates. "Release upgrade" should have "Normal releases"
[13:26] <jonnor> is "Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud" the minimal server install (previously jeos) or that Amazon EC2 thingy (eucalyptus)?
[13:26] <jonnor> if the latter,how do I install the minimal server?
[13:28] <blackxored> hi there's this issue with conky i set alignment top_right in my conkyrc, and still aligns to left hiding my desktop icons, if I run it with conky -a top_right it works, any clues?
[13:28] <Pici> jonnor: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is the minimal install CD.
[13:30] <jonnor> previously the "minimal virtual" or "jeos" (server) was bundled with the server image. This is no longer the case?
[13:31] <blackxored> anyone??
[13:31] <qos_> how can i hide unmounted volumes from nautilus side panel in karmic? i have lots of smb entries there ...
[13:32] <Pici> jonnor: I'm not sure, sorry.
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> blackxored:  i see the same issue here
[13:32] <blackxored> Dr_Willis, what's odd is that at home it displays properly and is karmic too (except for 21 updates, mostly ruby libs), so I'm lost
[13:33] <jonnor> ordinary server it is then.
[13:33] <qos_> blackxored, take a look at mine. its working as expected ... http://de.pastebin.ca/1637120
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> No idea. im just testing out some of my old conky configs. they are not going to the left side monitor like they used to
[13:34] <blackxored> qos_, I'll check I think it's something about window dock or something like that
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> blackxored:  you sure its using your config file?  and not the default config?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> blackxored:  never mind. .it IS working properlly. I was using the wrong config file
[13:35] <blackxored> I just "s/(own_window_type) dock/\$1 override" and worked thank you guys
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> too bad i cant get conky to easially to go to the top right of monitor #1 :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> yo yo o
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Yo-Yo
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> oY-oY
[13:38] <sH0cKwAVe> theadmin: http:/img199.imageshack.us/img199/1189/25567545.png
[13:39] <ioka> how can i find out what partition do i have and how to mount them in terminal?
[13:39] <theadmin> sh0ckwave: Странно %) :D
[13:39] <ioka> and where to mount them
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ioka: sudo fdisk -l    will show you them
[13:39] <ioka> then
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ioka: you can mount them ANYWHERE  you like
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> ioka: just not in /proc
[13:40] <trijntje> Hi all. I set "Restor manually saved session" in Kubuntu, but I get no option to "Save session" in my Kickoff menu. Is this a known problem or can someone verify this for me?
[13:40] <ioka> I get /media/shared mount point does not exist
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> ioka: you need to create the folder first
[13:40] <theadmin> trijntje: Don't flood... also, ask that in #kubuntu
[13:40] <ioka> ok
[13:40] <jonnor> trijntje: I would ask #kde or #kubuntu
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> ioka: it is not mounts responsibilty to make the mount point first
[13:40] <ioka> 10x
[13:41] <sH0cKwAVe> the admin: unreadable :(
[13:42] <dakira> has anyone ever got openvpn working with network-manager in karmic? (hint: error: no vpn secrets)
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> !mount | ioka
[13:42] <trijntje> theadmin, jonnor, I only care about the awnser for Karmic
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> !fstab | ioka
[13:46] <jonnor> trijntje: Karmic uses a specific version of KDE, and the KDE guys made it so they probably know if this is expected behaviour or not.
[13:54] <cemc> is it just me or are things crashing all the time in Karmic?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> Not here.
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> So its You. :)
[13:54] <ioka> if I wanna download someting to a different partition do I have to start ff as a root.It looks this is the problem
[13:54] <cemc> I can't open the System / Preferences / Main Menu, it does nothing, then a popup appears with 'Main Manu closed unexpectedly'
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> I can tell FF where to dowload things to...
[13:54] <cemc> it's a fresh Karmit x86_64 isntall
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> or use some of the many FF download file manager extensions to enhance it.
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  if you want to WRITE as a user to a diffrent filesystem. then the directorys on the filesystem  have to be OWNED by that user.
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  or mounted in a way to allow the users access
[13:55] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/RC/Kubuntu <<<--- Kubuntu RC released?
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> or some other way to set the permissions to allow the user access.
[13:55] <ioka> how to mount them in a way accssable to the other users
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  totally depends on the filesystem you are using
[13:56] <ioka> fat32
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> Then you have to use the proper mount optiuons. perhaps install/run ntfs-config and check the 'allow users' box' then remount the filesystems.
[13:56] <ioka> fat32 is the target partition I wanna mount and make it accessible .
[13:57] <shadeslayer> so is the RC official?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  offical what? Its officially teh RC. :)
[13:57] <ioka> how to start FF from terminal?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> !vfat
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  command would be 'firefox'
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i mean the topic for the channel hasnt been updated....
[13:57] <ioka> ok
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  Ive not heard it mentioned yet. by anyone.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  ive not been looking. :) i updated about an hr+ ago with no updates.
[13:58] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, 2 days and no updates for me
[13:59] <dakira> has anyone ever got openvpn working with network-manager in karmic? (hint: error: no vpn secrets)
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  Hope it will stay that way. :)
[13:59] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, true
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> In theory there should be no updated after RC.. but we know how that goes.
[13:59] <thiebaude> haha
[13:59] <carmelita> I have a problem with KDE 4.3 and old files, I don't know why, but in that particular folder I haver hundreds of files and folders that will be shown with "?" instead of the accented vowels or "ñ". That will not bother me, but Dolphin and Krusader cannot open them, copy them or modify them, every time I attemt to, I'll get a message: the files doesn't exist. From the console I can copy them or modify them, but they are too much to modify them
[13:59] <carmelita>  manually. How can I correct this problem for all the files in the folder?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> last time i saw ? in file names. it was due to the filesystem beung Currupted. but ive never used accented letters...
[14:00] <Italian_Plumber> carmelita: Interesting... I am having the exact same problem and was just looking at it.
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: same here
[14:01] <Italian_Plumber> 'cept mine is on a system without KDE (a GUI-less server)
[14:01] <carmelita> Italian_Plumber: Where you able to find a solution?
[14:01] <Italian_Plumber> no I actually haven't looked yet.  I was going to search the forums
[14:02] <carmelita> I just discovered that I can rename them manually from the console, but they are too much files and folders, that will take me weeks!
[14:02] <Italian_Plumber> I was just thinking it's probably not something unique to KDE
[14:02] <carmelita> Italian_Plumber: It must be, because from the console they work
[14:03] <carmelita> Dolphin and Krusader are not capable of opening files with unknown characters, that's definitely a BUG!
[14:03] <carmelita> They should be able to open it, modify it, etc.
[14:04] <carmelita> not regarding which character they are named with
[14:04] <Italian_Plumber> I guess I haven't tried to delete them.
[14:06] <Italian_Plumber> nope I can't delete them either
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> try a different file manager.. like 'mc' or 'rox-filer' perhaps.
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: oh haha,i go to download the RC and it redirects me to the Beta download
[14:10] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: That doesn't solve the problem, we use KDE and we want them to work in KDE. The solution will be to be able to rename all files and folders that have the weird characted "?".
[14:13] <ransom> does anyone know if the RC is available yet?  I've prodded around on cdimages.ubuntu.com and haven't found it.
[14:13] <Italian_Plumber> oh... and my problem is on a Hardy server.... sorry.
[14:15] <carmelita> Italian_Plumber: Hardy Server? What do you mean?
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> carmelita:  it could be a problem with the kde file manage and not the filesystem.. if other file managers show the names properly. then it would point ot a KDE issue.
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> carmelita:  so at one time the fancy names DID show up  in kde's file manager?
[14:16] <Italian_Plumber> it's not on 9.10 Karmic Koala
[14:17] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: What do you mean, I can see the files listed, but I cannot edit them, open them, modify them, because as soon as I try, I'll ge tthe error message: the file doesn't exist.
[14:18] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: But I can rename, copy, move, etc them from the console.
[14:18] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: So I'm assuming the problem is in the KDE 4.3 Filemanagers
[14:18] <cemc> my new Karmic doesn't show any grub menu or 'ESC' key or timeout, it just boots. How can I get it to show me the menu ?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> cemc: edit : /etc/default/grub : and then : sudo update-grub :
[14:20] <Italian_Plumber> carmelita, can you run "ls -lash" on the console and post the results?  Possibly of just one of these errant files.
[14:22] <carmelita>  32K -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  32K 2009-10-21 09:30 Las Energ?as Curativas de la M?sica.kwd
[14:22] <carmelita> That was one file, as example
[14:22] <carmelita> The problem are the "?" characters
[14:22] <carmelita>    0 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  264 2009-10-21 09:31 Tarjetas de Presentaci?n
[14:23] <carmelita> And that is an example of a folder, also the problem are the "?" characters
[14:23] <Italian_Plumber> ah.. .yes that's different than what I'm experiencing
[14:23] <Italian_Plumber>    ? d?????????  ? ?     ?        ?                ? Ultimate 90's - 1999
[14:23] <Italian_Plumber> that's what mine looks like
[14:24] <carmelita> If I change the name manually in the console, they just work fine, but they are hundreds, maybe thousands
[14:24] <om26er> ActionParsnip: so u move to karmic?
[14:25] <carmelita> In my files the "?" just replace original vowels with accents or "ñ".
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> om26er: while ago, yes
[14:35] <testi_> the gnome mixer in ubuntu falsely changes PCM (to 99 percent when set to 100) when i change master volume to any other value
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> test_: volume on 100% makes yuor music sound crap, sould be at most 80%
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> testi_: low source, then amp it up
[14:38] <benste> hi, just installed karmic - and ended up with the fact that restricted hardware manager doesn't want me to install proprietary nvidia driver , should I install in manully from apt ?
[14:40] <|Dreams|> anyone know what time RC will be released
[14:40] <Pici> When its done.
[14:41] <|Dreams|> great answer
[14:41] <testi_> ActionParsnip - however i don't wish to change PCM when I try to change maser - not even a single percent.
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> benste: sudo apt-get install nvidia-185-modaliases nvidia-glx-185
[14:41] <Pici> |Dreams|: Its the truth.
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> testi_: log a bug then
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Pici: thats like my answer to people enquiring of sting lengths
[14:42] <benste> |Dreams| I was told this morning that it will be out ~ 22:00 CET
[14:42] <benste> ActionParsnip: is it a bug in restriced manager or is this normal ?
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> Pici: Q: How long is a piece of string? A: twice as long as half its length or 2(x/2)
[14:43] <nemo> benste: worked fine for me
[14:43]  * nemo shrugs
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> benste: isnt the driver thing called jockey
[14:43] <|Dreams|> ok thanks
[14:43] <|Dreams|> think I will just install beta then update to RC
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> benste: i always install it like that, except i use the 190 driver to match the other bleeding edge stuff i have.
[14:44] <benste> ActionParsnip: possibly it's jockey, for me it was a translation from german to english - which would be ~ restricted hardware manager
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> benste: yes i believe the app is jockey-gtk
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> !info jockey-gtk
[14:45] <benste> |Dreams| that's what I've just finished :-)
[14:45] <benste> nemo: what nvidia card do you have - possibly mine is too old (3 years)
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> the 190 works on my onboard 6150 512Mb
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> circa april 2004
[14:47] <benste> ActionParsnip: my problem isn't that it woun't work it's simply that jockey doesn't ask me to isntall it
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> benste: its just going to run the command i gave you
[14:47] <benste> ActionParsnip: and additionally the login screen looks very damaged withouht it :-)
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> benste: log a but with jockey and run the command I gave, you will reach the same goal
[14:48] <benste> ActionParsnip: so it's no bug in jockey ? - i would prefer for normal users to be adivsed to install automaticly
[14:49] <benste> - by the way why don't I get a notification in empathy if someones writing my name ?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> benste: if jockey isnt doing its trik then i'd say it was a bug, have you updated the system to ensure you have the latest jockey?
[14:50] <benste> ActionParsnip: nvidia-185-modaliases nvidia-glx-185 will be automaticly updated to 190 ?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> benste: no but i can give you a repo for the 90 if you wish
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> 190
[14:52] <benste> ActionParsnip: no thx i'll stay to 185 if possible
[14:52] <benste> and I'll file a bug against jockey-gtk now
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> sure, the 185 is the latest stable
[14:52] <benste> thanks for your advises
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> np man
[14:53] <mbeierl> ok - the grub splash screen - that's called "usplash"?  what about the boot progress screen - what's that called?
[14:53] <benste> ActionParsnip: it's kindda nice 5 mins after karmic install was finished I've already filed 3 bugs
[14:54] <nadador_tio> hi there
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> benste: keep it up :)
[14:55] <benste> ActionParsnip: wasn't there a specific tag we should file for karmic bugs ?
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[14:57] <benste1> ActionParsnip: hope you didn't write something new since my last post, I was kicked ??
[15:03] <MythBork> Hey all. I recently upgraded to 9.10 and now my external USB soundblaster isn't working. "aplay -L" and aplay -l" show nothing.  Can anyone help?
[15:04] <macsim> hi, on karmic I try to configure my vpn but I need to add a certificate, I'm unable to find where I can attach my certif to my vpn configuration on nm-applet, any idea ? thanks
[15:05] <nemo> MythBork: no clue, but anything in dmesg?
[15:06] <macsim> nemo, I found, just forget to install network-manager-openvpn :)
[15:07] <macsim> nemo, thanks anyway
[15:08] <MythBork> nemo - if I disconnect and reconnect the soundcard I get this -
[15:08] <MythBork> [  147.542295] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[15:08] <MythBork> [  159.964067] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
[15:08] <MythBork> [  160.219729] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[15:10] <benste11> how can I get back my old nick - it's blocked cause my connection failed
[15:10] <benste11> ?
[15:10] <xguru> ./nickserv release nick pass
[15:10] <MythBork> benste11, it will unlobk in a few minutes when the old nick dies
[15:10] <xguru> i think...its been awhile
[15:10] <bazhang> you can ghost it benste11
[15:11] <benste11> bazhang: ?? what's ghost ?
[15:11] <bazhang> benste11, /msg nickserv help ghost
[15:17] <luca> hi everyone
[15:19] <antric> is there a key i can press at boot (like Esc in grub legacy) to access the boot menu? im trying to get into recovery mode and cant boot otherwise, hence being unable to edit the grub config and add the option that way
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> shift or escape i thought
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> or boot live cd and chroot in, alter /etc/default/grub and disable the hidden menu option
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> then rerun update-grub
[15:21] <antric> the problem is the data is encrypted and i cant boot all the way :(
[15:21] <antric> luks unlocks after entering my passphrase, but then kde fails to load saying root is full and freezes up
[15:22] <ha1331> Amyone else having problems with video on smplayer playback after upgrade? My problem is that sometimes after revinding or forwarding the picture freezes, or more accurately the player seems to be on pause even if it actually isn't. Putting it to pause and hitting play wont help. Playback sometimes resumes if I seek more. Sometimes it only works for couple of seconds after the freeze, sometimes it works fine for the rest of the movie.
[15:22] <karmic> how to close port 631 (ipp) ?
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> ha1331:  i noticed the pausing a few days ago. but not noticed it lately.
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> !ufw | karmic
[15:24] <ioka> guys does anyone know how to deal with grub 2 since it does not have a menu.list file?
[15:24] <ha1331> Dr_Willis: any idea what would fix it?
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> karmic:  thats the cups port? or samba? i forget. :) cups you can set the configs to waht interface to lisiten to.. same with samba i recall
[15:24] <karmic> thanx
[15:24] <karmic> cups @ willis
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> ha1331:  i never noticed a fix. it just acted up a few times. Ive not seen it do it the last few days
[15:24] <genii> !grub2
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> bbl byee..
[15:26] <drs305> ioka - later today the ubuntu help wiki will have a GRUB 2 page.
[15:27] <karmic> what does '!' do when typed in front of a command in terminal ?
[15:27] <ha1331> Funny thing by the way. Somewhere I read that karmic was supposed to boot faster, but I'm thinking that Jaunty booted faster on my machine.
[15:28] <karmic> karmic is booting faster on my machine :)
[15:28] <Raydiation> is gnome-shell already in the repos?
[15:29] <MythBork> Hello all, I upgraded to Karmic yesterday and I cannot access my USB external soundblaster now. Worked fine in 8.10 and 9.04. Nothing appears in the hardware tab of the sound configuration tool. but cat /proc/asound/cards shows the card! Can anyone help?
[15:31] <robin0800> Raydiation: yes its available from the software centre
[15:33] <mercutio> i'm on an eeepc here. Mouse click is taking forever to have an effect. How come?
[15:36] <Martin_vW> mvo: my software update is hanging again... this time it's not update-manager though, but software-properties-gtk. What interesting though: ps afx shows a zombie process "[gpg] <defunct>" underneath /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk... I believe that could be the cause.
[15:40] <asraniel> hi there. how "save" is it to install the current kubuntu? (i know, it's not released, but is there a big horrible bug i should know of?)
[15:43] <eternal_p> morning all..quick question...I have an intel wireless card (n) in my laptop, connecting on B/G worked perfectly, connecting on N, I connect, get an IP address, but cannot browse or do anything (can't even ping) any thoughts?
[15:43] <Martin_vW> asraniel: I'm running karmic on several computers and I haven't noticed anything serious, except for the "locked screen vanishes after entering 5 wrong passwords" issue and some minor annoyances like that the window list won't always react to clicks.
[15:43] <Martin_vW> You can't be sure though whether an application that is mission critical for you will still work as expected.
[15:44] <maco> eternal_p: id guess the driver's still not quite there. im surprised you can even get an IP
[15:44] <eternal_p> maco: me too
[15:45] <maco> Martin_vW: O_O did you just say if you screw up unlocked the screen 5 times, itll unlock anyway?
[15:45] <asraniel> Martin_vW:  thanks, wanted to be sure there are no dataloss bugs or similar. the rest i can handle
[15:45] <maco> *unlocking
[15:45] <Martin_vW> maco: yes, this was a bug a week ago in karmic. Not sure though whether it's fixed by now.
[15:45] <maco> wow thats a bad bu!
[15:45] <maco> *bug!
[15:47] <Martin_vW> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/446395 - "Fix released"
[15:49] <mvo> Martin_vW: hey! thanks for letting me know, what was the last action you performed before the hang?
[15:49] <mvo> Martin_vW: I will try to reproduce that
[15:50] <Martin_vW> mvo: I don't think I did anything before that; I'm working on my main computer, and the affected notebook was idling before I attempted to run the software-properties-gtk dialog. After killing and restarting it it works proplerly again though, and I haven't encountered this bug on my 2 other karmic machines :/
[15:51] <fbn> hi, at which time will the release candidate be on the servers for download?
[15:51] <Pici> fbn: When its done.
[15:52] <fbn> Pici: so it could delay until tomorrow?
[15:53] <Pici> fbn: Probably not
[15:54] <Martin_vW> mvo: Now I've started update-manager, and it's hanging again. But there is no gpg process, instead there are 3 /usr/lib/apt/methods/http processes, all showing a single line "select(1, [0], NULL, NULL, NULL" line in strace. Looks like these could actually be two different issues.
[15:55] <mvo> Martin_vW: started and clicked on "check" I assume?
[15:55] <Martin_vW> mvo: yes, exactly
[15:56] <Martin_vW> the dialog "Paketinformationen herunterladen" (damn, why did I switch back to German again?) popped up, but the UI doesn't update anymore.
[15:57] <mvo> Martin_vW: the ui of the download dialog? or the parent of that dialog? or both?
[15:57] <Martin_vW> mvo: both
[15:58] <Martin_vW> or well, actually only the dialog
[15:58] <Martin_vW> all controls of the main window are of course disabled, but if I move it off the screen, it will still display properly when moved back.
[15:58] <Martin_vW> "Paketinformationen herunterladen" instead is just plain gray, no UI except the window border is visible.
[16:01] <darkham> rc?
[16:01] <mvo> Martin_vW: what does strace of the partent of the http processes show?
[16:02] <darkham> karmic rc?
[16:02] <Martin_vW> mvo: "restart_syscall(<... resuming interrupted call ...>", just this single line.
[16:03]  * mvo scratches his head
[16:03] <mvo> Martin_vW: if you sudo gdb -p and do a backtrace in the gdb prompt, anything interessting?
[16:07] <joaopinto> hi
[16:13] <Martin_vW> mvo: http://pastie.org/665162 - the first one is from the parent process synaptic, the second one from one of the http instances.
[16:13] <tarzan> hi
[16:14] <tarzan> no java 1.5 on karmic? what happened?
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. you install it as an extra package same as every re4elase ive used.
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> install ubuntu-restriccted-extras to get java + flassh + more
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> or is it just a specific version you need?
[16:15] <mvo> Martin_vW: thanks, that looks a lot like the last one you showed me, again the accessability inside the backtrace
[16:15] <mvo> Martin_vW: is that the same machien (iirc it got a pen input?)
[16:16] <tarzan> Dr_Willis: ubuntu-restricted-extras does not include java...
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> tarzan:  err... it installed java here on the 3 machines ive been beta testing,
[16:16] <Martin_vW> mvo: yes, it is
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> as one of its dependencies.
[16:17] <tarzan> Dr_Willis: yes, but there is no java 5 in karmic, just 5
[16:17] <tarzan> just 6
[16:19] <komuta> hi
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> i cant keep java version #' straight. so no idea on what versions are what.. or why i would evne need 1.5 over 1.6
[16:20] <komuta>  I have a question about kde notifications
[16:20] <mvo> Martin_vW: thanks again, I think I need to find a way to reproduce
[16:20] <darkham>  karmic rc?
[16:20] <komuta> I'm on karmic, and there seems to be a regression in the notification during file transfer
[16:20] <komuta> we used to get information about transfer speed, but not anymore
[16:20] <komuta> I can't find a bug report anywhere, but when it comes to kde4 notification applet, I don't really know how to identify it as a software
[16:22] <ck773> it bugs me that software centre doesn't show transfer speed...
[16:22] <dan_M> Anyone else still seeing issue when resuming from sleep after removing the power cord?
[16:22] <tarzan> Dr_Willis: because android for example does not build an 1.6
[16:22] <tarzan> on
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> dan_M:  what issue?  or just general problems?
[16:24] <dennda> Hi. The RC image files still contain the 'beta' keyword. is that correct?
[16:25] <dan_M> dr_willis: When resuming from sleep on AC power the notebook is fine. But, remove the AC adapter and then resume and sometimes it just goes back to sleep so I push the power on button. Other times it is worse and gets hung up on the 2nd resume and I have to do a hard reset.
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> resumeing whild just on battery hmm..
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> not tried that.
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> i rarely use resume/hibernate.. tried it today and i dident notice any issues. but i had it plugged into the wall :)
[16:27] <dan_M> Yeah fun stuff I have a bug# somewhere just wanted to see if it was still widespread as with the freeze time is now focused on bugs.
[16:27] <dan_M> I think the bug is mainly thinkpads though
[16:27] <darkham>  karmic rc?
[16:28] <dan_M> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/412363
[16:28] <dan_M> yep that one
[16:28] <dan_M> Fun times
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> personally i have had such hassles wih suspend/sleep/hibernate under all os's  i rarely use the feature
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> im amazed it works at all :)
[16:29] <dan_M> It works great in 9.04
[16:30] <dan_M> Well for me at least
[16:35] <Windowsuckscock> !ops
[16:35] <jussi01>  /abrn Windowsuckscock
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> he dident like his own nick?
[16:37] <rob0> Fast op action, very nice. :)
[16:41] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, how long is a ban?
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> any faster they would have ESP
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  no idea. :) i rarely get banned
[16:41] <thiebaude> yea, me too
[16:41] <mbeierl> he requested it :) you don't call ops unless you need to
[16:42] <Dr_Willis> if only every troll was so nice. :)
[16:43] <mbeierl> while it vaguely amuses me, I don't see what the fun of this particular exchange could have been...
[16:46] <_bt> any eta on RC?
[16:49] <hifi> is there a complete ubottu syntax reference somewhere?
 any eta on RC? <- they never give an answer besides 'soon'
[16:50] <_bt> ok cool, nearly end of working day for me today. heh. will have to be tomorrow now :)
[16:55] <mbeierl> hifi: no, but you can chat with it privately.  Full of philosophical wisdom about love, life and other such matters...
[16:55] <mbeierl> ubutto: love
[16:55] <mbeierl> ubottu: love
[16:58] <NRVate> lol
[17:01] <mbeierl> just don't get him started on life...
[17:01] <carmelita> How can i rename files with "�" character? I have the problem that in a folder all the accented vowels and "ñ" are now "�" and filemanagers can't open or modify them.
[17:02] <carmelita> The problem is that there are thousands of folders and docuements, I can't do it manually
[17:02] <Hukka> carmelita: You should be able to glob them
[17:02] <carmelita> glob?
[17:02] <Hukka> Hm, it won't work them. Saying textfile* is globbing
[17:03] <Hukka> iconv was for converting text files, but I'm sure there was a tool for renaming too
[17:03] <carmelita> Hukka: I don't understand what you mean.
[17:03] <rob0> rename(1)
[17:03] <Hukka> carmelita: Never mind, it wouldn't work in your case
[17:03] <carmelita> yes there is rename, mmv, etc
[17:03] <Hukka> Ah, there it is
[17:03] <carmelita> But I have tried them without success
[17:03] <Hukka> carmelita: apt-cache search rename utf-8
[17:04] <Hukka> carmelita: Just so you know next time :)
[17:04] <carmelita> I know!
[17:04] <carmelita> I have tried all that
[17:04] <carmelita> It doesn't work
[17:04] <carmelita> All files are UTF-8
[17:04] <carmelita> And I cannot rename them using the "�"
[17:04] <Hukka> carmelita: convmv doesn't work for you?
[17:04] <carmelita> So, I don't know what to do
[17:04] <rob0> Your console does not support UTF-8?
[17:05] <carmelita> Yes, but they are already UTF-8
[17:05] <carmelita> I don't really understand what I should do
[17:05] <Hukka> carmelita: You haven't explained why convmv doesn't work for you
[17:05] <rob0> If your console DOES support UTF-8, rename(1) and shell globbing will work.
[17:05] <carmelita> well, I converted all to UTF-8
[17:06] <carmelita> But the � is still there
[17:06] <carmelita> I have Kubuntu 9.10
[17:06] <carmelita> I was using PClinux before
[17:07] <carmelita> And all the files in my home directory have the � in every non ascii character
[17:07] <theyCallMeJohnny> menu.lst is gone, how do i add windows to the boot menu?
[17:07] <theyCallMeJohnny> it wasnt detected automatically
[17:07] <carmelita> And Dolphin or Krusader cannot edit, modify or do anything with those files
[17:07] <hifi> mbeierl: I meant the syntax how you interact with it
[17:08] <carmelita> Hukka: Do you understand?
[17:08] <rob0> for X in x y z ; do for Y in a b c ; rename $X $Y * ; done ; done
[17:08] <theyCallMeJohnny> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268809
[17:08] <theyCallMeJohnny> k done
[17:09] <rob0> where you put a list of bad characters in place of "x y z" and the ones you want to replace with in place of "a b c"
[17:10] <rob0> ooops
[17:10] <carmelita> rob0: I'll try that
[17:10] <Hukka> carmelita: You didn't say how you actually converted them to uf-8
[17:10] <Hukka> utf-8
[17:10] <rob0> nested for loop, won't work quite right
[17:10] <carmelita> Hukka: They are already UTF-8!!
[17:10] <Hukka> 19:05 < carmelita> well, I converted all to UTF-8
[17:10] <Hukka> Sounds like you ran some command
[17:10] <rob0> but anyway, you can run the rename one character at a time
[17:11] <rob0> I could come up with a one-liner to do this, but it's not worth my time right now. :)
[17:11] <Hukka> This isn't really about Karmic anyway
[17:12] <rob0> true
[17:12] <carmelita> rob0: I only have one character that is making the problems: �
[17:12] <carmelita> rob0: Will this be ok? for X in � ; do for Y in _ ; rename $X $Y * ; done ; done
[17:13] <carmelita> I want to change all � to _
[17:13] <carmelita> Should that work?
[17:13] <rob0> okay, my terminal is not seeing what you want to change from
try it and see
[17:13] <rob0> you are running one command, you do not need the for
[17:13] <rob0> and definitely not the nested for
[17:14] <rob0> 16:10 < rob0> nested for loop, won't work quite right
[17:14] <carmelita> I want all files that have � to be changed to _
[17:14] <rob0> rename BAD GOOD *
[17:14] <rob0> rename x _ *
[17:14] <rob0> I can't see what you want to use for "x"
[17:15] <Guest15392> Hello, i was redirected to this cannel for support with Karmic. Nice to meet you guys. I have two questions, could someone help me out, please?
[17:15] <carmelita> i GOT THE FOLLOWING: Unrecognized character \xEF in column 1 at (eval 1) line 1.
[17:15] <ck773> !ask
[17:15] <Guest15392> okay, got it ubottu ;)
[17:15] <Guest15392> Thank you Takeon. My first question: I have enabled Vsync in Ubuntu via Compiz, without it, the tearing was just too much. It's okay now, for the desktop, but I still have minimal tearing in videos - especially on a 26" fullhd. I have also enabled it in the nvidia-settings for both, opengl and video, those settings don't do anything at all. So, how can I enable full vsync for videos? My second question: I am using karmic beta right now, couldn't wait.
[17:15] <Guest15392> copied and pasted it
[17:16] <carmelita> rob0: reanme doens't get the special character that you cannot see in your terminal
[17:18] <rob0> try quoting, enclose it in '', if that does not work, I don't know.
[17:18] <carmelita> It,s a questionmark inside a Rhombus
[17:18] <rob0> enclose the special character
[17:19] <carmelita> rob0: I always get the following: Unrecognized character \xEF in column 1 at (eval 1) line 1.
[17:20] <dan_M> carmelita: $man sed or awk
[17:21] <rob0> Or maybe the kind folks in #bash will have ideas.
[17:21] <rob0> If UTF-8 isn't working for rename(1), it probably won't work for other GNU coreutils.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> a ? inside a box  hmmm
[17:22] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: Yes but the corners are on top and bottom
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Well thats not the same thing ive seen with bad filesystems.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> i dont use other languages at all. so not sure if it could be a language setting or not.
[17:23] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: I can move the files with mv from the console
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> but the funny char stays?
[17:24] <Guest15392> Hm, that vsync thing seems to be a problem. Anyone a suggestion? I have read through a bunch of guides and tipps but nothing seems to help. It's strange though, because the nvidia options do have a setting for that, but it doesn't seem to work. I had the same problem with Jaunty.
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> Id be curious if you made/tried a totally new user - if the names would look right to him.
[17:25] <Half-Left> OK, I'm about to cry or blow up with anger because you guys decided to ship Inkscape snapshots.
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> Demand a refund ? :)
[17:25] <rob0> "You guys"?
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> !info inkscape
[17:25] <Half-Left> For sure!
[17:25]  * rob0 hands Half-Left a tissue
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> pre-4  thats somthing ive not seen befor.
[17:26] <Half-Left> I hope it gets to stable before your out od beta
[17:26] <Half-Left> of*
[17:26] <Half-Left> Becuase yet again it's useless for me, since you ship a version with breaks qsvg
[17:26] <Hukka> Half-Left: You do realize that when you say "you" it means _you_ as much as everyone else on this channel
[17:27] <Half-Left> which*
[17:27] <IdleOne> I had nothing to do with so don't mix me in with them
[17:27] <vanishing> sup everybody
[17:27] <IdleOne> I told them but they would not listen and said we don't care we want to make Half-Left's life miserable :P
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  i doubt if the version is going to change in the next 7 days
[17:28] <Half-Left> Right, I'm blaming everyone :)
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> Blame me for everything.. My wife does...
[17:28] <vanishing> did anyone try firefox-3.7 in karmic?
[17:28] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: we married the same woman?
[17:28]  * Half-Left points at Dr_Willis
[17:29]  * Dr_Willis has a Tee shirt - 'You dident listen to me.. but its still MY fault?'
[17:29] <Half-Left> Dr_Willis: I hope it gets fixed before release because it will make many KDE4/Qt people doing artwork pissed.
[17:29] <syk> they must be about to release rc
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  rc1 is out today - so i doubt if anythign is going to change.
[17:30] <syk> download page for desktop is down for me
[17:30] <syk> :P
[17:30] <SoftwareExplorer> Half-Left: all you can probably do is hope for a different version in backports
[17:30] <Guest15392> Okay, maybe someone could help me with something else. When I try to change and save my monitor changes in nvidia-settings I get this error: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!   PS: Is the rc out already? I am on Karmic beta, how can I upgrade to the rc?
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> servers have been getting updated  I think. Been down/slow for a lot of people.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> 25th person to ask if the rc is out... so far.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> but whos counting.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> and YES you can upgrade.. thats a MAIN point to the package manager system
[17:31] <syk> :P
[17:31] <Guest15392> hehe, well, that happens, when you get to love Ubuntu ;) (okay, mybe not love, but ...appriciate it)
[17:32] <Half-Left> SoftwareExplorer: Well Fedora have done the same, the bug has been reported to them, so hopefully it will go upstream
[17:32] <syk> indeed
[17:32] <Hukka> Guest15392: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286424
[17:32] <SoftwareExplorer> I don't think it is out yet because ubuntu.com/testing/910rc is still saying page not found.
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> thats means it will be fixed in the next 6mo release :)
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> every time someone asks if its out.. they delay it another 1/2 hr.
[17:33] <Hukka> ubottu: Good boy!
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:33] <SoftwareExplorer> Dr_Willis: Yikes!
[17:33]  * Half-Left will have to get a 0.46 deb from somewhere
[17:33] <Guest15392> Hm, I see. I'm still working on everything, I am one of those windows and mac switchers :) All new territory for me. Thank you ubottu, what does that mean? Is there a workaround av. ?
[17:33] <Armageddon> Guys, Bluetooth used to work on 8.10 but stopped working for a while on 9.04 and back again for a while, I updated then it stopped working, and on Karmic it doesn't anymore either, any idea ? I have AMD64 with x86_64 Kernel and a Phoenix BIOS
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[17:34] <Hukka> Guest15392: If you read the page you can notice that running gksu nvidia-settings should help, IIRC
[17:34] <Guest15392> Great, I was talking to a BOT - awesome ^^
[17:34] <Guest15392> Ah, thank you for the tipp Hukka! =)
[17:34] <Jeruvy> Guest15392: you could do worse ;)
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> In most cases you always want to run gksudo nvidia-settings (or run it as root some other way)  -  Unless of course you want some setting just for a specific user i guess...
[17:35] <SoftwareExplorer> Guest15392: So he passed a turing test for awhile
[17:35] <Hukka> Guest15392: At least I think I resolved it that way. Or maybe I created the xorg.conf manually... not sure
[17:35] <Hukka> SoftwareExplorer: Failed only by being honest :)
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> I had to copy over my old xorg.conf from 9.04 to get nvidia-settings working right for me.
[17:35] <Guest15392> I see, Dr_Willis. I'll try it out right away and tell you, if it worked. Btw, do you guys have any vsync probs with videos? Do you get any tearing at all?
[17:36] <pitwalker> how can I switch back GRUB's delay?
[17:36] <SoftwareExplorer> Hukka: Yep! :)
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> i get tearing in every video on every os :) i dont even notice it much any more :)
[17:36] <Cyr4x> http://www.wklej.org/id/182041/
[17:36] <Hukka> Guest15392: Nope, none
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> I even notice it on my PS2/Wii :)
[17:36] <Cyr4x> any solution for that?
[17:37]  * Half-Left wishes distros wouldn't ship stable versions and not snapshots or alpha/beta software with impending stable releases.
[17:37] <Cyr4x> nvidia card + 185 drivers
[17:37] <Hukka> Guest15392: What kind of monitor/connector do you use?
[17:37] <Cyr4x> glx in xorg is loaded
[17:37] <Cyr4x> xorg.conf i mean
[17:37] <Cyr4x> reinstalling drivers doesn't help
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> reinstalling to 'fix' things is windows thinking. :)
[17:38] <Half-Left> would*
[17:38] <Hukka> Dr_Willis: And nVidia is closest to windows you can get in linux...
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> Hukka:  i think ati is closer.. :)
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: Have you used the nvidia provided installer?
[17:38] <Hukka> That usually breaks things quite well
[17:38] <Cyr4x> i'll try
[17:38] <Guest15392> On every OS? Oh, thats not good ^^ On my mac and Vista I didn't have anything of that, that's why we noticed it so fast. I want to get my school to move to Ubuntu, but they watch videos all the time, so it would be nice, if videos wouldn't get that tearing. Vsync in Compiz helps out for the windows, but the videos, thats a big "?" for me ^^ I wonder why the nvidia settings don't apply it to the videos. Hukka, I am using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd vi
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: No! Don't!
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: Just wanted to check if you already had :)
[17:39] <Cyr4x> i'll try to install v173
[17:39] <Cyr4x> maybe it will help
[17:39] <Hukka> Guest15392: You're lines are a tad too long if IRC
[17:39] <Cyr4x> but i've used 180 in 9.04 and was ok
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if most people even notice the tearing. of course many video players also have features that help reduce it as well. vlc/mplayer and so on have a lot of filters/enhancements.
[17:39] <Cyr4x> after upgrade to karmic isn't
[17:39] <Hukka> Guest15392: "using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd vi" and a break
[17:39] <syk> yay
[17:39] <syk> rc is ready
[17:39] <Armageddon> Guys, Bluetooth used to work on 8.10 but stopped working for a while on 9.04 and back again for a while, I updated then it stopped working, and on Karmic it doesn't anymore either, any idea ? I have AMD64 with x86_64 Kernel and a Phoenix BIOS, if no one knows then tell me...
[17:40] <Guest15392> ah okay, the rest was: Hukka, I am using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd via VGA.
[17:40] <Hukka> Guest15392: Ah, VGA :/
[17:40] <Hukka> Guest15392: Why not digital?
[17:40] <Hukka> Maybe that would help?
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> If you can use DVI.. use DVI :) definatly
[17:40] <Armageddon> !dev
[17:40] <Hukka> ubottu: Sorry, too busy
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[17:41] <Hukka> I wonder if it would be difficult to have ubottu reply with eliza logic for everything not in database :?
[17:41] <vanishing> Hukka: lol..he is just a bot..
[17:41] <Guest15392> Dr_Willis, on big screens, you see it right away. I did, it's because one is used to it. Once it's gone, you see it right away. Switchers tend to see that kind of stuff ;) I am using a laptop for the two screens. The internal laptop display is connected digital, but it doesn't help much. Tearing is still there.
[17:41] <Hukka> vanishing: Of course he is, but he still has feelings!
[17:42] <frewsxcv> is the relase candidate out yet?
[17:42]  * Dr_Willis adds +1 to the count of people asking if its out yet..
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> that delays it another hr. :)
[17:42] <syk> its out
[17:42] <syk> im downloading
[17:42] <Hukka> frewsxcv: And you check here, not from the website, because...?
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> !release
[17:42] <syk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:43] <mbeierl> oh.  is today getting close to some sort of release?  Is that why there are no updates recently?
[17:43] <frewsxcv> Hukka, because i don't know if this is the release candidate? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:43] <Half-Left> Dr_Willis: Can you consider shipping 0.46 of Inkscape?
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  I can consider it.. but it wont do any good.. since i dont even use inkscape :)
[17:43] <blueglasses> I'm having some aparent security issues related to cups (definitelly), pulseaudio (strange behaviour) and possibly samba
[17:43] <ck773> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[17:44] <Guest15392> I have also tried it with a FX 5900 Ultra and DVI, it still got the tearing. So, I guess, it has to be something else.
[17:44] <mbeierl> syk: btw, that's not the release.  It's an RC, which is still half-beta.  Gamma, maybe?
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: In case you missed the sarcasms, we are just a bunch of people here
[17:44] <blueglasses> gnome has just restarted without asking
[17:44] <syk> mbeierl, yeah
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: In no way do we represent the release team nor every single packet
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: Hell, or even Canonical! At least I don't
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Some of us are barely even human.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> !botsnack
[17:45] <Hukka> moo!
[17:45] <Half-Left> No no one works here for Canonical?
[17:45] <Half-Left> So*
[17:45] <Half-Left> packages?
[17:45] <blueglasses> !moo
[17:45] <ck773> yeah...i would say point them to http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:46] <Hukka> Half-Left: Even if they did, you think they could answer the question about a particular packet with a high probability?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Ive never seen anyone in here claim they worked for Cononical
[17:46] <ck773> cause the file says rc
[17:46] <mistya> hi there,
[17:46] <mbeierl> !life
[17:46] <mistya> I want move the "notify-osd" for pidgin higher. How do I do?
[17:46] <Hukka> Half-Left: If you really care, why don't you go to launchpad
[17:46] <mistya> Are too low
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Theres very likely PPA's for the lastest release of many packages also.
[17:46] <JoshuaL> the top panel stays on top when watching a movie full screen in mplayer
[17:47] <gotunandan> I think its better to spread the use of the torrents rather than the ISO images ?
[17:47] <mbeierl> mistya: I think it's supposed to be there - change your volume or brightness and those notifications show in the topmost pos
[17:47] <JoshuaL> can anyone confirm this?
[17:47] <Half-Left> Hukka: So ok, I'll create 50 bug report accounts for each distro that ships the same buggy Inkscape version, right....
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:   which mplayer? gnome-mplayer   no gui mplayer, or smplayer? Ive not noticed that issue here.
[17:47] <emin> hi all
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  go for it!
[17:47] <JoshuaL> the default one in 9.10 Dr_Willis
[17:47] <Hukka> Half-Left: Are you telling me that you are complaining about this on 50 different distro channels, all full of normal users like you?
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  the default video player is Totem. not mplayer I think
[17:48] <JoshuaL> most likely gnome-mplayer then
[17:48] <Hukka> Talking about !life...
[17:48] <mistya> mbeierl, OK, but I do not like. I want everything up.
[17:48] <mbeierl> mistya: I hear you, I'm just reporting that it appears to be intentional by the ones who wrote it...
[17:48] <Half-Left> Hukka: I was being sarcastic and I'm not a "normal" user
[17:48] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, ohw you are right
[17:48] <JoshuaL> its totem :)
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  i hate totem. :)
[17:49] <Hukka> Half-Left: Hell, so you're a dev then! Why did you ship a broken DKMS in Karmic beta!
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  i perfer vlc. heh. or gmplayer. or smplayer. Good Luck
[17:49] <JoshuaL> but you have the same issue too with mplayer? i have it with totem
[17:49] <duncan_> sometimes I really wonder why I bother with 64 bit *shakes head*
[17:49] <emin> does anyone know how i can fix the brightness problem. the brightness is going higher and lower every second.
[17:49] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, normally i use vlc :)
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  ive never noticed the issue. I watch videos full screen all day at work. :)
[17:49] <mistya> mbeierl, You're saying that it is a feature not a bug?
[17:49] <Half-Left> Hukka: I'm a KDE games/plasma graphic artist
[17:50] <mbeierl> duncan_: 'cos you can laugh at all those people that have 64 bit pcs with 32 bit os's like Windows
[17:50] <Hukka> Half-Left: So, you're saying that you are on this channel and even so you are not responsible for what was shipped in Karmic?
[17:50] <mbeierl> mistya: yes, I think it's on purpose.  I have not looked to see if there's a bug reported about it
[17:50] <mistya> there is a way to change this feature/bug?
[17:51] <duncan_> mbeierl, yeah but it seems hollow when nsplugin crashes left and right, to the extent I want to slam my head into the desk... and the 64bit alpha of flash can't even load anything but youtube for me without crashing firefox entirely
[17:51] <Half-Left> Hukka: I'm asking for info and if anyone can help the situation. Obviously Ubuntu didn't test that package
[17:51] <mbeierl> mistya: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1277268 for a discussion of it :)
[17:52] <mistya> mbeierl, thanks. I owe you an orange
[17:52] <Hukka> Half-Left: So here's the info, go to launchpad if you want the relevant people to know!
[17:53] <mbeierl> duncan_: there's a problem with gtk that makes flash and java have some issues too... where the mouse click gets swallowed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/452938
[17:53] <Hukka> Asking for info? "I'm about to cry or blow up with anger because you guys..."
[17:53] <Martin_vW> mvo: I've now disabled the assistive technologies on my tablet. I'll alert you in a few days whether this has changed anything.
[17:53] <Half-Left> ugh, so yet another bug report then
[17:53] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/449198
[17:53] <leftyfb> anyone have a fix for that yet?
[17:53] <leftyfb> can't believe it's not fixed in RC
[17:53] <wamty> 7 days until new ubuntu!
[17:53] <duncan_> mbeierl, aye, when I have compiz turned on I get that, yet when using mutter or metacity with no compositing my mouse clicks go through
[17:54] <Hukka> Half-Left: What did you expect? That launchpad is there just to decoy lUsers and all the real communication happens here on #ubuntu+1?
[17:54] <Hukka> Half-Left: People here can help with problems with sw, but we don't have any more influence on the releases than you do
[17:54] <mbeierl> duncan_: really?!?  I gotta try that 'cos I'm a java programmer by trade and Eclipse is nearly unusable right now :(  (Stupid me puts Karmic on his primary work laptop)
[17:54] <kaddi> hi guys. I was wondering if anyone has been using a WD passport essential under ubuntu and if it's running fine? Official info only says compatible MS/Apple.
[17:55] <robin0800> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:55] <leftyfb> kaddi: it's just a mass storage device, it should be fine
[17:55] <Guest15392> Okay, I am BACK. I fixed the problem with the "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!" error. If someone else should ask, all you have to do is -> sudo nvidia-xconfig  and then it should detect the "error" (default display/screen was missing) and make a new file for you to write in. Then you do the normal sudo nvidia-settings and save your settings a usual.
[17:55] <ck773> yeah, they warned you not to put it on production machines
[17:55] <duncan_> mbeierl, I have karmic on my primary work laptop :) but 32bit, running 64bit on my desktop
[17:55] <Guest15392> First prob. gone :)
[17:55] <Half-Left> Hukka: I wanted to talk to a dev about it a bug report is useless because it doesn't stop them shipping a buggy snapshot
[17:55]  * mbeierl just thinks that even alpha Ubuntu is more stable than released MS
[17:56]  * darthanubis agrees with mbeierl 
[17:56] <Hukka> Half-Left: Telling the dev "You fucked up" doesn't sound like a much better approach
[17:56] <mbeierl> !language
[17:57] <ioka> is there an easy way to go back to old grub loader where there is menu.list
[17:57] <Half-Left> Hukka: Doesn't it? You shipped a buggy snapshot of unreleased software with your stable release, right....
[17:57] <kaddi> leftyfb: yes it should be, but I would like to be sure before I blow a heap of money on something that won't work under ubuntu ;)
[17:57] <ioka> noone has written tutorial about the new grub.All the info in the net is about menu.list and old grub
[17:57] <ioka> I need to go to the old one
[17:57] <mbeierl> ioka: don't know about going back, but the grub menu is controlled by /etc/default/grub
[17:57] <Hukka> Half-Left: I can't believe this... Here you go again blaming other users for what happens in ubuntu releases
[17:57] <mbeierl> !grub2
[17:57] <Half-Left> Hukka: It's the lastest craze putting users at risk.
[17:58] <Half-Left> Hukka: Not just Ubuntu actually
[17:58] <Jeruvy> Half-Left: even on release day there will be bugs, and updates will be released
[17:58] <rob0> Half-Left, you keep saying "You," and I wonder who you think you are addressing?
[17:58] <darthanubis> ioka, noone? http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[17:58] <darthanubis> leave the FUD at the door
[17:58] <PolitikerNEU> mbeierl: Sorry, but IMHO even beta Windows 7 was more stable than Ubuntu 9.10 RC - and Ubuntu 9.04 for me
[17:59] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: That's the typical excuse yes
[17:59] <darthanubis> PolitikerNEU, hillarious
[17:59] <UnNaturalHigh> Anyone here having major problems with iwl wireless drivers?
[17:59] <UnNaturalHigh> this is the first time I have been able to connect wirelessly in two days
[17:59] <ioka> ubuntu will have a lot more satisfied new users if it comes with the old grub.
[17:59] <Jeruvy> PolitikerNEU: I'd disagree, but everyone has there own experiences.
[17:59] <darthanubis> ioka, get over it
[17:59] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: Why not use that excuse and ship alpha sofeward for stable releases, oh wait, distros do.
[17:59] <ioka> I'll propose to packed it up with old grub, not the grub2 or grub-pc
[18:00] <Half-Left> software*
[18:00] <ck773> and they complained when we switched from lilo to grub...
[18:00] <darthanubis> ioka, you'll be rightly ignored
[18:00] <Jeruvy> Half-Left: not excuse, fact of life.   But I'm failing to see what your actual point is.
[18:00]  * darthanubis I see trolls
[18:00] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: The pint if distros shipping unstable, unreleases sofwtare with their stavle version
[18:00] <Half-Left> point*
[18:01] <Half-Left> Point is*
[18:01] <ioka> thank god there is a grub in software channel
[18:02] <rob0> I guess he's ignoring me. I think the point is valid, but what is silly is coming in here to fuss about it, this being a user channel.
[18:02] <Half-Left> If I didn't have a point, I wouldn't be in here but I see the usual excuses are here ready.
[18:03] <Hukka> darthanubis: I'm leaning to the same conclusion
[18:03] <mbeierl> ioka: why do you think NEW users will know the difference between grub and grub-pc?
[18:03] <Half-Left> Never mind, nothing you can do about it as said
[18:03] <darthanubis> Hukka, I think the Windows 7 release today might have a lot to do with it?
[18:04] <rob0> Half-Left, vote with your feet.
[18:04] <darthanubis> please
[18:04] <darthanubis> exit stage LEFT
[18:04] <NRVate> microsoft ships alpha software as a stable release every other distro
[18:04] <NRVate> look at vista sp0, win2k sp0, win95 sp0, etc..
[18:05] <darthanubis> NRVate, +1
[18:05] <NRVate> hehe
[18:05] <NRVate> im still laughing at win7
[18:05] <NRVate> why win7
[18:05] <NRVate> its WIN 6.1!!!
[18:05] <Guest15392> I am one of those new users and I can assure you, a lot of things aren't that important. The first impression counts. It has to look good, be fast (not the fastest) and stable. I think the new bootup stuff awesome. Beeing a windows and mac power-user, it really looks nice.
[18:05] <Hukka> Why talk about win anything HERE!
[18:05] <NRVate> because it makes me giggle hukka :D
[18:05] <darthanubis> Thats what trolls do
[18:05] <Jeruvy> #defocus is more suitable :)
[18:06] <darthanubis> !off topic
[18:06] <darthanubis> !OT
[18:06] <NRVate> lol
[18:07] <NRVate> k, good luck with your release then.
[18:09] <u-foka> Hy!
[18:09] <darthanubis> !hi
[18:10] <u-foka> How can I enter to the grub menu if it won't shown at boot by default?
[18:10] <u-foka> grub2 :)
[18:10] <darthanubis> u-foka, have you tried ESC?
[18:10] <darthanubis> !grub
[18:10] <joaopinto> u-foka, shitft
[18:10] <joaopinto> shift
[18:11] <joaopinto> darthanubis, that link does not help with grub2
[18:11] <joaopinto> !grub2
[18:11] <u-foka> darthanubis, yes... my note started beeping because of the full input buffer, and then a normal boot occured :(
[18:11] <u-foka> thanks joaopinto
[18:11] <benste11> hi, I plugged in my camera and it is detected as digital audio player which contains music and photo files, what could I change to let the system detect this cam attached to USB as camera ?
[18:11] <darthanubis> joakim-, didn't think it would sine it did not say grub2. But you type faster than I, so it all worked out
[18:13] <darthanubis> joakim-, sorry that was for joaopinto
[18:14] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if support for USB and firewire soundcards has been improved?
[18:14] <mbeierl> u-foka: it's SHIFT, not escape
[18:15] <Bodsda> anyone got the download link to hand?
[18:15] <snowball> anyone type gnome-shell yet? let me know your thoughts
[18:16] <spasticteapot> Is anyone here using a FireWire soundcard?
[18:17] <duncan_> snowball, I'm liking gnome shell alot aside from the fact task switching and viewing open windows without hotkeys is nearly impossible (I use hotkeys but I like to be able to see what I have open in a workspace)
[18:17] <duncan_> nor is opening the overview a sane solution each time you want to change windows
[18:18] <snowball> duncan_: have you try alt+tab and hovering over your apps
[18:19] <spasticteapot> Is anyone here using an external soundcard?
[18:19] <duncan_> snowball, alt tab works fine, best implementation of it I like, but I'm missing my taskbar with open windows listed, and as for non power users, using hotkeys isn't intuitive to switch windows
[18:20] <ninjah> The default system beet is set to full blast. How do I fix this?
[18:20] <darthanubis> ninjah, turn it down
[18:20] <ninjah> how do I do that?
[18:20] <duncan_> snowball, or rather, best implementation of alt tab I have seen
[18:20] <darthanubis> ninjah, you know, with volume controls?????
[18:20] <mbeierl> ninjah: are you talking about the "pc speaker" beep?
[18:20] <ninjah> darthanubis: Doesn't seem to have an effect
[18:21] <snowball> duncan_: got it, maybe including the option to add custom panels that would auto update on each desktop?
[18:21] <ninjah> mbeierl: I think so.
[18:21] <mbeierl> darthanubis: if it's the pc speaker beep that's outside of volume control
[18:21] <darthanubis> mbeierl, I know this
[18:21] <mbeierl> ninjah: what I ended up doing was removing the pcspkr module because mine kept giving me a heart attack:  sudo modprobe -r pcskpr
[18:21] <ninjah> mbeirerl, darthanubis: Its the beep I get in a terminal window or in empathy
[18:22] <duncan_> snowball, correct, and have the option to have the panel list windows in workspace or all, as I prefer to keep my workspaces seperate but I know people who like to be able to alt tab and click through items in all workspaces at once
[18:22] <ninjah> mbeierl: Sweet! I'll give that a try. And ya, I'm gonna get a heart attack my self.
[18:22] <mbeierl> ninjah: sorry that should be "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr" not pcskpr
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: super for all, all for single workspace?
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: alt*
[18:23] <mbeierl> ninjah: you can add that to /etc/rc.local to prevent it from coming back after reboot, or (and I did not figure this one out) you could blacklist the module
[18:23] <duncan_> snowball, sounds about right
[18:23] <ninjah> mbeierl: that didn't work
[18:23] <mbeierl> lsmod | grep pc
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: thanks for the feedback
[18:24] <mbeierl> ninjah: ^
[18:24] <duncan_> snowball,  :) no problem
[18:24] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know if JACK works with 9.10?
[18:24] <ninjah> mbeierl: I got a bunch of snd_ modules
[18:24] <darthanubis> mbeierl, the terminal and empathy does not use the PC speaker
[18:25] <mbeierl> ninjah: but no pcspkr.  Ok, so that confirms it - like darthanubis said - it's not the pc speaker then, sorry
[18:25] <darthanubis> ninjah, install gnome-alsamixer and play with those levels
[18:25] <ninjah> darthanubis: Okay
[18:25] <darthanubis> !info gnome-alsamixer
[18:26] <ninjah> darthanubis: The sound controls don't have any effect. Installing gnome-alsamixer.
[18:27] <Martyn> now that we have the RC release .. I was expecting to have to do a dist-upgrade
[18:27] <Martyn> no updates in 48 hours though.
[18:27] <darthanubis> Martyn, I keep up with updates, so I have nothing to update at the moment
[18:28] <darthanubis> Martyn, as far as we are concerned, we are probably already at RC;)
[18:28] <mbeierl> Martyn: usually the rc is announced after a period of inactivity to ensure that the rc is going to be stable.  no sense in putting in a last minute change, announcing, then realizing that there's a bug
[18:29] <ninjah> darthanubis: Sweet! alsamixer works. I checked mute on pc beep
[18:29] <ninjah> no more beep
[18:29] <martalli> They probably also want to make sure that the CDs themselves will be fine
[18:29] <darthanubis> ninjah, ;) told ya:)
[18:29] <ninjah> Now I can get work done without getting shocked every few minutes
[18:29] <Martyn> AFIK I'd agree .. but I downloaded the RC dist, and did various md5 file comparisons.. there are differences
[18:29] <ninjah> darthanubis: I did that in the sound prefs but it didn't work
[18:29] <mbeierl> so technically we're at the rc slightly ahead of the announcement if we're keeping up to date
[18:29] <Martyn> so the RC available on the testing site != the installed state of this karmic beta machine after updates
[18:30] <ninjah> Guess the sound prefs are kinda broken
[18:30] <ninjah> Thanks all... Back to work I go
[18:30] <darthanubis> cheers
[18:30] <Martyn> mbeierl: It would be a BIT late now, wouldn't it?  Now that the various rsync'ed repositories have snatched the RC?
[18:30] <Martyn> (to do a last-minute anything)
[18:31] <localuser> is ibm lotus symphony goin to be in 9.10 repos?
[18:31] <darthanubis> !symphony
[18:31] <mbeierl> Martyn: what I meant was there are no updates for a while, then the RC is announced/released
[18:31] <Martyn> localuser : Why would it be in the repos?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> !lotus
[18:31] <Martyn> mbeierl: Ahh .. yes, sure.   So it's the same as a freeze
[18:31] <localuser> Martyn: because its been in them, and i loved that soft
[18:31] <darthanubis> proprietary stuff usually is NOT in the repos
[18:31] <martalli> Supposedly, IBM and Canonical are going to work together to get more corporations on Linux instead of Windows
[18:31] <localuser> they were
[18:32] <Martyn> localuser : That kind of thing is in the thirdparty repos
[18:32] <martalli> It might be included in the partner repo, though
[18:32] <mbeierl> Martyn: yes.  so that's what I meant by technically updated beta users get the rc and final slightly ahead of the release announcement
[18:32] <localuser> ubuntu partner repos i believe
[18:32] <Martyn> localuser: So, I assume anything in the thirdparty repos that 9.10 doesn't break, will still be there
[18:32] <Martyn> mbeierl: Then I'm worried.
[18:33] <localuser> i hope they add it
[18:33] <mbeierl> Martyn: why?  I didn't quite follow what you were saying about noting a difference in md sums
[18:33] <localuser> lotus has better ms office support than openoffice
[18:33] <Martyn> I just did a full system md5 checksum on files .. there's about 8% files that are different on a 16GB installed desktop.. all of which are files tracked by dpkg
[18:33] <Martyn> I would expect my beta system w/ updates to be the same (signature wise) as files that are coming in from the CD
[18:34] <Martyn> (not including configuration files, etc)
[18:34] <frandieguez> Sorry for the noise... but when karmic rc will be released?
[18:34] <mbeierl> Martyn: unless... they held back a package or two maybe?
[18:34] <Martyn> frandieguez: It's already released
[18:34] <BluesKaj> lotus 123 ..hated it
[18:34] <Martyn> mbeierl: I think so.  quite a few packages from the look of it
[18:34] <martalli> Martyn, updated packages won't have the same MD5 sum as the original packages on the CD, right?
[18:35] <Martyn> martalli : Yes, they will.   If the dpkg is the same, the files should be identical
[18:35] <joaopinto> localuser, right, but lotus is also much worse from an usability perspective
[18:35] <localuser> that deppends
[18:35] <frandieguez> Martyn, I have beta installed but doesn't appear any update...
[18:35] <localuser> some users like me would find it quite usefull
[18:36] <Martyn> oh gods, look .. take the lotus flamewar elsewhere.  that discussion belongs in a standard #ubuntu chat channel at BEST
[18:36] <localuser> like some users find gnome more usefull than kde
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: I was also commenting on the same thing
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: However, it seems that we are at 'rc' a little earlier than the CD release
[18:36] <martalli> The old Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS had quite a heinous interface, but when you consider the limited screensapce, the minimalist interface was actually a pretty good idea
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: Via the updates mechanism (and that's why there have been no updates for 36 hours)
[18:36] <mbeierl> frandieguez: there has not been update for 24-48 hours now as there was a bit of a freeze prior to releasing the RC.  they want to give time to ensure the rc as sent out to us via updates is going to be stable
[18:36] <BluesKaj> no updates yet , but the RC is supposed to be released today...sometime or other
[18:37] <localuser> never mind, i dont mind the opinion about lotus, just wondering if it will be in the repos or not
[18:37] <Martyn> BluesKaj : Its already released ... you can download the CD images (and torrent them) right .. this .. seconed
[18:37] <Martyn> Someone needs to change the topic
[18:37] <localuser> i know some developers are here
[18:37] <mbeierl> and then once the RC is out for a bit, the floodgates open and WHAM you're gonna see a bunch of updates again :)
[18:37] <Hukka> localuser: I don't know about anything, but considering the IBM-Canonical deal, I think it will
[18:37] <localuser> i cant wait until final release or download the .deb from lotus web page
[18:37] <Martyn> localuser : Let me ask you a different question -- have you installed karmic?  and did you look to see if that package was there?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> Martyn, I'm not installing images , I'm upgrading from the repos
[18:38] <Martyn> If it's not, we're getting to the point where it's much too late to add it
[18:38] <Martyn> We really REALLY need to update the topic
[18:38] <Hukka> localuser: Eventually
[18:38] <localuser> Martyn: yes, im on karmic right now, they were on jaunty
[18:38] <Martyn> localuser : If it's not in the karmic repository, then it's probably not going to make it in
[18:38] <localuser> ok, ill download them then
[18:38] <localuser> thanks
[18:39] <Martyn> localuser : There may have been a dependency that the karmic update broke (like the switch to the latest glibc and all packages compiled with gcc 4.x )
[18:39] <localuser> mmmmmmmm ill check that out
[18:40] <martalli> rc now showing on the "beta" download site
[18:41] <localuser> by the way, nice job ubuntu has done... quite stable, fast... i like it
[18:41] <PhilippeP> are the packages for karmic rc already  .?
[18:42] <benste11> where can I get grub2-gfxmenu ? - thought this would be in karmic by default but it seems like it's even no where in the sources
[18:42] <martalli> There are ISOs for the rc showing up at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[18:43] <Martyn> They have been there for a bit now
[18:43] <Martyn> most sites have rsynced
[18:44] <Martyn> and I'm still pulling 400KB/sec
[18:44] <mercutio22> is there anyone using karmic on EeePc?
[18:44] <Martyn> mercutio22: I am, using the Remix
[18:44] <PhilippeP> Ok thanks ... let's upgrade then ..
[18:44] <Martyn> mercutio22: Which MODEL of eeePC do you have, however?
[18:45] <mercutio22> Martyn: are you having problems clicking dialogue buttons? I have to hold the touchpad button for like 3 seconds to see an effect sometimes
[18:46] <Martyn> none at all
[18:46] <benste11> mercutio22: I'll install next week, would be nice if you'd share your experiences after isntall with me
[18:47] <mercutio22> Martyn: I don't understand. Maybe I messed up with the mouse config. Which model is yours?
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> hey guys
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> any1 familiar with ubuntu-moblin-remix
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> ?
[18:48] <mercutio22> seiflotfy1: no. linky?
[18:48] <benste11> seiflotfy1: Martyn just installed it
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> Martyn: i cant get it to even work live form my usb stick
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> i choose to open it live
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> and ntohign happens
[18:50] <mercutio22> Martyn: eeepc 1000ha
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> i got an acer revo
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> a nettop
[18:51] <benste> no one using grub2-gfxmenu ?
[18:51] <Martyn> seiflotfy1: Worked here
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> wiht nvidia chipset
[18:51] <Martyn> I'm on a dell precision T7500 workstation
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> as in atom+nvidia
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> whoa what
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> lol
[18:51] <Martyn> OH!  the moblin-remix doesn't work
[18:51] <Martyn> I tried that recently too
[18:51] <Martyn> Sorry, answering too many questions at once
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> hmmmmmmmmm so sad :/
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> lol
[18:52] <Martyn> I have the latest eeePC (1101HA) through the dev work I do
[18:52] <Martyn> I also have an ARM based netbook, using the i.mx51 processor
[18:53] <Martyn> both seem to work pretty well using Ubuntu-netbook-remix with the new RC
[18:53] <Martyn> install took <30 mins
[18:53] <seiflotfy1> ok got it to boot
[18:53] <Martyn> I haven't tried livecd/liveUSB yet though
[18:53] <Martyn> yay!
[18:53] <Martyn> what was the issue?
[18:55] <Jeruvy> oh ya rc came out ... (goes to grab).  Forgot about that.
[18:56] <seiflotfy1> Martyn: i cant find where ot install it once boted
[18:56] <seiflotfy1> :/
[19:06] <jb> grr.. everytime I change a network connection to "Manual" from "DHCP" and hit apply, it automatically goes back to DHCP in 9.10
[19:06] <jb> anybody else notice this?
[19:08] <PolitikerNEU> jb: Hmm? What's the problem with that? But I have a similar problem with shared connections: they only work for me if I don't make them available for all users
[19:10] <Lazy> jb: My "Network Connections" also behaves strangely. Even though it says that IPv6 is set to "Ignore" I still got an IPv6 address and IPv6 works.
[19:10] <debug1> Will the finished new ver be able to support the Intel DP43TF MB? The current beta does not.
[19:11] <brian_> i am trying to install the new avant window navigator  it says its version 0.4.0 but in the repo its called 0.3.9  is that the rite file  or is it called 0.4.0
[19:12] <nick125> jb: I remember there being a bug where NM won't save changes...I'm not sure if its been fixed, though.
[19:13] <mbeierl> jb - not sure if it's relevant, but ipv6 is built into the kernel now and cannot be easily disabled....
[19:15] <debug1> I know that Ubuntu server w/a Gnome gui gets around it, but the Beta Ubuntu desktop cannot go online with it.
[19:16] <debug1> Not internal workings savy enough to determine the differences between the two which would cause one to work and the other to not work.
[19:17] <jb> heh.. gnome network manager is garbage.
[19:18] <menzzaa> jb: why is that?
[19:18] <nperry> jb: never had a problem!
[19:18] <jb> well, its segfaulting..
[19:18] <jb> and won't let me configure a static interface
[19:18] <jb> on a clean install
[19:19] <menzzaa> jb: well it should work if you have the beta
[19:19] <jb> i do
[19:19] <menzzaa> jb: I had the same problem but that was with alpha 6
[19:20] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, my ubuntu doesnt respect what i configure in sysv-rc-conf
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> for example, if i took off all fields about gdm, it keep booting with gdm on
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> i made myself clear?
[19:21] <Pici> Ubuntu doesnt use the sysv init system, it uses upstart.
[19:21] <Pici> assoguerozen_sx: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove     would stop gdm from starting
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> oh
[19:21] <Pici> !upstart
[19:22] <assoguerozen_sx> so i look for some management software to upstart
[19:22] <assoguerozen_sx> damn, didnt know about this
[19:22] <thiebaude> hi everyone
[19:25] <c_korn> why can't I choose the MP3 profile in sound-juicer ?
[19:25] <assoguerozen_sx> but, no easy way to management upstart?
[19:25] <assoguerozen_sx> 'update-rc.d remove this and that' is too dirty ._.
[19:26] <joaopinto> assoguerozen_sx, mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf.disabled
[19:26] <joaopinto> afaik there is no tool to manage upstart services yet
[19:27] <dogguts> joaopinto: "bum" ?
[19:28] <JackD> update-rc.d deffo don't work
[19:29] <nekohayo> hey there, could anyone help me regarding a package that refuses to uninstall? it's a .deb driver package for my scanner (brscan2), taken from http://solutions.brother.com/Library/sol/printer/linux/dlf/brscan2-0.2.4-4.i386.deb ; Synaptic insists on removing it before doing anything else, but fails, thus I can't do nothing with apt or synaptic anymore. Failure: http://pastebin.com/d1b1feaac (and dpkg -p: http://pastebin.com/d58c531f )
[19:29] <nekohayo> ping me if you have any idea, since I'm kinda stuck at not being able to test karmic properly because of this
[19:29] <assoguerozen_sx> bum either doesnt work, like sysv-rc-conf
[19:30] <joaopinto> dogguts, bum does not handle upstart
[19:31] <c_korn> sudo apt-get install lame gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse dd
[19:31] <c_korn> did the trick
[19:31] <nperry> nekohayo: dpkg --remove --froce-remove-reinstreq name.deb
[19:31] <assoguerozen_sx> so lets get hands dirty
[19:32] <nekohayo> nperry, same error
[19:32] <nperry> Humm, i had that problem and it worked for me
[19:32] <nekohayo> it almost looks like the apt/dpkg database is borked up
[19:33] <CyberCod> is there an IRC channel for the shipit team?
[19:34] <benste> where can I find a pastebin for pictures to report an bug during boot time here ?
[19:34] <CyberCod> benste: photobucket?
[19:34] <c_korn> benste: ubuntu-pics.de
[19:35] <nperry> nekohayo: sorry, just noticed a typo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq brscan2
[19:35] <nekohayo> nperry, nah indeed, I did correct those commands myself ;)
[19:35] <nekohayo> otherwise I'd have gotten a different error
[19:35] <nperry> True :)
[19:35] <nekohayo> it's weird
[19:36] <benste> c_korn: Fehlermeldung: 002  es wurde keine datei hochgelaen
[19:36] <benste> c_korn, CyberCod - I'm searching for a free solution withouht  registration an e-mail
[19:37] <rohan> was there some problem with 9.10 RC? it was due to be released today
[19:37] <assoguerozen_sx> it is released
[19:37] <c_korn> benste: the email address is optional. but the page is german only as I see. so just use imageshack.us
[19:37] <rohan> and i just got the mail.. talk about foot in the mouth
[19:37] <rohan> lol
[19:37] <assoguerozen_sx> http://linux.softpedia.com/
[19:37] <benste> c_korn - actually I am german like you :-)
[19:38] <c_korn> benste: well then, where is the problem ? choose an image to upload, accept the rules and upload
[19:38] <nperry> nekohayo: is there a /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan2
[19:39] <nperry> sorry /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan2.postrm
[19:39] <oldude67> hey anyone know whats the easiest way to get the codecs for amarok to update?
[19:39] <nekohayo> yeah, and its contents are... interesting
[19:39] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/449198
[19:39] <benste> c_korn: that's what I did but looks like somthing is wrong with my pic - imageshack doesn't accept it either
[19:39] <leftyfb> anyone have a fix for that yet?
[19:39] <nperry> set the contents to exit 0
[19:39] <nperry> and try to remove then
[19:39] <nperry> :D
[19:40] <nekohayo> nperry, http://pastebin.com/d4b0547a4
[19:40] <benste> c_korn: lol - and I know why, f-spot has linked to my cam which is already swithced off :-)
[19:40] <nperry> comment it out and just have "exit 0" nekohayo
[19:42] <assoguerozen_sx> hum, starting to know about upstart
[19:43] <assoguerozen_sx> has been used since 6.10, lol
[19:43] <Travis-42> Gnome-do, even though I have set it in the preferences to start on startup, won't start in 9.10. Anyway to diagnose this?
[19:44] <nekohayo> nperry, my hero
[19:45] <nperry> Take it worked :P
[19:45] <benste> so finally could someone help me with this error message during boot ? - http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6292/dsc00733gh.jpg
[19:46] <mzz> benste: so does the recovery shell work and what's in /etc/fstab?
[19:46] <nperry> pastebin /etc/fstab
[19:46] <benste> i didn't try the recovery shell
[19:46] <benste> I'll do
[19:47] <Travis-42> which log file would detail attempts to startup applications?
[19:47] <Travis-42> er, during boot
[19:48] <benste> mperry, mzz: http://pastebin.com/m2b46653c
[19:48] <benste> @all where can I reset the autohandling of filetypes in nautilus, e.g. if a camera is attached, I've choosen to automaticly launch f-spot which I want to revert now
[19:49] <acuster> hey all, anyone know why the 'safely remove' action is not tied to the 'eject' button in Nautilus for USB keys?
[19:49] <benste> mzz: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0 is new to me what's it ?
[19:49] <mzz> benste: I'd just temporarily comment out the swap partition in fstab and see if it boots. If it does you can start debugging (most likely cryptsetup isn't starting properly for some reason)
[19:49] <mzz> benste: encrypted swap
[19:50] <Ademan> anyone know how to modify where gdm-simple-chooser looks for backgrounds and such??
[19:50] <mzz> benste: the installer sets that up for you if you picked encrypted homedirs
[19:50] <benste> mzz and why the h. does I have encrypted swap ? - I've only choosen encrypted home dir
[19:50] <benste> :-)
[19:50] <mzz> Ademan: not conveniently (pretty sure there's no gui). The theme used is configured in the gdm user's gconf
[19:51] <benste> mzz: will get access to my acc if I remove this encrypted swap ?
[19:51] <mzz> benste: because swap isn't zeroed out during normal usage or shutdown, so you can leak arbitrary amounts of info in there (or you can leak the encrypted homedir's key in there, rendering the encryption useless)
[19:51] <Ademan> mzz: ew, well i'm not concerned about a gui, i spent a while tracking down /usr/share/images/xsplash, so the config belongs to the gdm user? that's kinda crap honestly...
[19:51] <Jordan_U> benste: If your /home is encrypted but your open files are being swapped out unencrypted to disk it defeats the point, hence if you choose encrypted home it also makes encrypted swap
[19:52] <mzz> Ademan: err, what? xsplash runs well before gdm-simple-chooser does, right?
[19:52] <mzz> benste: you can just revert that if you don't care
[19:52] <benste> mzz: and encrypted swap is part of the real swap ?
[19:52] <mzz> benste: it replaces your regular swap.
[19:52] <benste> ah
[19:52] <mzz> benste: familiar with cryptsetup at all?
[19:52] <benste> :-)
[19:52] <benste> mzz. never heared of that ;-)
[19:53] <Ademan> mzz: oh, you may be correct, i'm trying to figure out how the new login system works.  but xsplash seems to run at least before *and* after the chooser (as you're logging into your account)
[19:53] <benste> mzz: only the general usage of crypted things is known by me, nothing special.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> benste: You are the second person in this channel that has had this problem, please check launchpad to see if it's already been reported and if not report it yourself. I'd hat to see this get into release if it is affecting many people
[19:53] <mzz> benste: normally you run mkswap on a regular partition. What happens here is cryptsetup provides a virtual block device (/dev/mapper/cryptswap1) using a random key (picked at boot), and (still at boot) mkswap is run on that and it's used as your swap partition
[19:54] <mzz> Ademan: yep, gdm-simple-chooser chats to it over dbus afaik
[19:54] <benste> jordan_U - which one of my bugs - I've already reported 8 today :-)
[19:54] <mzz> Ademan: I don't know how xsplash finds its images, but I'm pretty sure gdm doesn't tell it because it runs before it
[19:54] <Jordan_U> benste: The swap bug
[19:55] <mzz> benste: cryptsetup can also be used to encrypt entire regular partitions, with a passphrase entered by you before you mount. In this case it uses /dev/random instead of a passphrase (the passphrase is only kept in memory)
[19:55] <benste> Jordan_U, just filing a bug with the pic - against which package ?
[19:55] <Jordan_U> benste: I'm not sure
[19:55] <benste> :-)
[19:56] <Ademan> mzz: egh, cause i think I'm wrong about gdm, i mean i'd like to change the gtkrc it uses, but i'm more interested in changing what images xsplash uses, i guess i'll look for some docs
[19:56] <mzz> benste: not sure what's up with it actually, I installed off the alternate beta cd and didn't hit this bug
[19:56] <mzz> Ademan: good luck with that :(
[19:56] <benste> Jordan_U: but if I'll file against the whole ubuntu system no one will discover it before next week
[19:56] <mzz> Ademan: the gtkrc gdm uses is picked through the theme it uses, which is set in its gconf
[19:56] <benste> mzz: I've used the alternate beta too
[19:56] <Jordan_U> benste: You could ask for help in #ubuntu-bugs
[19:56] <Ademan> mzz: haha thanks, so far off to a bad start "No manual entry for xsplash" lol
[19:56] <benste> Jordan I'll do
[19:57] <Ademan> mzz: ah thanks for that one, how do i set another user's gconf keys? especially one without a home directory?
[19:57] <mzz> benste: anyway, I'd disable swap temporarily, then look into cryptsetup (checking what ended up in /etc/crypttab for starters)
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: it has a home directory
[19:57] <benste> Jordan_U: and you said this should be filed special because it's security relevant for next release ?
[19:57] <Jordan_U> benste: Not security relevent
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: grep gdm /etc/passwd, it's just in /var instead of /home
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: and you can run gconftool through sudo
[19:58] <benste> mzz: where is the cryptsetup, or could I just change it reboot and you'll guide me ?
[19:58] <Ademan> mzz: ah, alright cool, thanks
[19:58] <mzz> Ademan: (at least that's what I've seen in bug comments, haven't used it myself)
[19:58] <Ademan> mzz: i expect you're correct
[19:58] <mzz> benste: no, I'm saying comment out your swap partition in /etc/fstab so it'll boot
[19:58] <Jordan_U> benste: I don't know that it should be filed specially but when two people report the same problem here within a short period of time it's likely that it affects a lot more
[19:59] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz: do you know when RC updates will be out ? - maybe I'll better wait for them first
[19:59] <Pici> The RC is already out.
[19:59] <Jordan_U> benste: It's out now
[19:59] <Ademan> by the way, when i first installed the beta, i using the users and groups utility, I was unable to change user's home directories, or change the gid for groups... i had to do things through usermod
[19:59] <mzz> benste: rc's out, although last time I checked (a few hours or so ago) it wasn't on all mirrors yet
[19:59] <Jordan_U> mzz: benste: Just to warn you, I gave the advice about commenting out swap to the last person ( who said boot failed every other time ) and after commenting out swap boot failed *every* time
[20:00] <benste> I'll update first - lol it's warning that I'm runngin on battery
[20:00] <mzz> Jordan_U: that's weird, I wouldn't expect it to mind not having swap. how'd it fail?
[20:01] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz I think theres kindda missunderstanding, - my system boots up, only a bit slower than expected cause it's showing the error on bootup - but anyway i'll update first now
[20:03] <mzz> benste: ah. In that case: is swap available, and what's in /etc/crypttab?
[20:05] <ausimage> Hello I am curious to know what is being done to solve "WARNING: Unhandled message: interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable, path=/, member=Introspect" with gnome applications in Karmic....
[20:06] <ausimage> I have noticed this warning on few different gnome apps on LP Bugs...
[20:06] <ausimage> I am bitten by this particularily with Epiphany...
[20:06] <Jordan_U> mzz: You can see the log of the conversation here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/22/%23ubuntu+1.txt starting at [06:08]
[20:06] <ausimage> which makes it unusable IMHO
[20:07] <ausimage> Epiphany also lacks a file bug in the help menu ?!?
[20:08] <Amaranth> ausimage: afaik only the things we ship in main have that
[20:09] <ausimage> how do you file a bug then without a crash...
[20:09] <ausimage> it seems the file bug is well hidden now :/
[20:09] <Jordan_U> ausimage: ubuntu-bug empathy
[20:10] <ausimage> k... any one understand why the dbus error is occuring ?
[20:10] <ausimage> and has low hit counts 'cept for LP bugs ?
[20:11] <HEIKKI123> can i use 2 names like: ubuntu-bug file-roller nautilus
[20:11] <HEIKKI123> or better: how will i do it
[20:12] <HEIKKI123> because the bug appears when i use those 2 programs together
[20:14] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: What is the bug?
[20:15] <robotti^> hello
[20:15] <robotti^> :)
[20:15] <robotti^> I need help with my ubuntu karmic koala installation
[20:15] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: when i try to "drag and drop" extract files from a zip file, the nautilus filemanager window will close when i move the mouse over it
[20:15] <robotti^> I have installed,  but no networking after first boot
[20:15] <robotti^> on my macbook 5,1
[20:16] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Can you trigger it with other apps that drag and drop?
[20:16] <Sir_Brizz> is anyone here using gizmo?
[20:16] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: hmm, nope
[20:16] <HEIKKI123> i can drag and drop fron mautilus to gimp
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> it might be a nautilus bug
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> i will file the bug
[20:17] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Can you drag and drop from gimp to nautilus?
[20:17] <habanany> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> hmm, what could i drag&drop?
[20:18] <rezd> what is the easiest way to install from a USB?
[20:19] <HEIKKI123> rezd: you need to install ubuntu to a usb drive first
[20:19] <HEIKKI123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:19] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Try taking a screen show with Applications > Accessories > Screenshot and drag the thumbnail into nautilus
[20:19] <Jordan_U> s/show/shot/
[20:20] <rezd> Thanks HEIKKI123.
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> doesn't crash
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> or, close, i mean
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> so, works 100%
[20:20] <rezd> I wanna get on the Karmic wave.
[20:21] <Martyn> wave.google.com/karmickoala?
[20:21] <Martyn> *groans* at his own tech pun
[20:21] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: I'd say use ubuntu-bug nautilus but mention that only file roller seems to do it
[20:22] <habanany> go karmic
[20:22] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: ok thanks :)
[20:22] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: np :)
[20:28] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: the bug is already in launchpad :)
[20:29] <HEIKKI123> but... it says fix has been released :O
[20:30] <Xgates> do any developers hang here?
[20:31] <darkham> karmic rc ?
[20:31] <Xgates> the bootup/reboot is a mess and it needs fixing and with what, 8 days to go, it's not looking good
[20:32] <DopeGhoti> Congrats on the RC release!
[20:33] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Remember that not everyone will have the same issues as you, I don't get any text flood at boot
[20:34] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Did "boot_delay=5000" help?
[20:34] <Xgates> Jordan_U: it's more then just that, I also get the console login displaying at bootup and reboot, and no one should be seeing that
[20:34] <Xgates> yes boot delay only helps a bit
[20:35] <HEIKKI123> a-ha, it will only crash when i try to move something to a usb-flash drive
[20:36] <frandieguez> Two days ago I have reported this two bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/457001 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/457007 and I have tested it on RC iso and the bugs continues there!! How can I fix this for the final release??? please help me because are two strings with a lot of visibility on the menues
[20:36] <maco> frandieguez: you can fix them in launchpad
[20:36] <frandieguez> how? I'm very new on launchpad
[20:37] <Jordan_U> maco: He's already provided the correct translation, it's just not committed yet
[20:37] <maco> Jordan_U: in rosetta?
[20:37] <frandieguez> Jordan_U, that's correct
[20:38] <frandieguez> maco, yes
[20:38] <frandieguez> maco, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Centro+de+software+de
[20:38] <frandieguez> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ibus/+pots/ibus/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ibus+preferences
[20:38] <maco> ah ok. then just need to wait for a lang pack rebuild
[20:38] <maco> lemme see when those happen
[20:39] <frandieguez> so, this will be fixed for the final release?
[20:39] <frewsxcv> what advantage would there be to using AMD64 linux distro as opposed to x86
[20:39] <maco> frandieguez: i dont know how often they're rebuilt. im asking a translation guy
[20:39] <frandieguez> ok, thanks!
[20:40] <Xgates> You know I understand there are going to be a lot of bugs but I would of thought that when you put up a bug someone in a day or two would reply to that bug and let you know it's being looked into. I personally don't find it good to post bugs and not know what is going on. At least if people are going to post then the DEV team should have someone reply to the bug report within 48 hrs as a consideration to the poster
[20:40] <mbeierl> frewsxcv: if you have a 64 bit chip, then amd64 will use all the capabilities of the 64 bit bus: >4gb memory, plus any math intensive work will be much faster
[20:40] <frewsxcv> mbeierl, are those the only advantages?
[20:40] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Ubuntu is swamped with bug reports unfortunately
[20:41] <maco> extremely
[20:41] <mbeierl> frewsxcv: more than I can enumerate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765428 gives a good overview
[20:41] <maco> please, learn to triage and dig through upstream commit logs and such and help get these things fixed
[20:41] <Xgates> Jordan_U: I understand that, BUT they should have a system in place where at least there is an auto reply or something....
[20:42] <Xgates> What's the point of making a bug report, when it's a bad bug and weeks later the bug is still there? Doesn't sound like bugs are getting worked on like they should...
[20:42] <maco> Xgates: remember, we're volunteers
[20:42] <maco> you can be one too!
[20:42] <Xgates> well someone is making money somewhere, LOL...
[20:42] <HEIKKI123> oh, the bug was fixed in a package that is not found in karmic
[20:43] <Xgates> nah I don't work for free, been there done that, waste of time...
[20:43] <frandieguez> maco, ok! I'm just learning. sorry for the problems.... ;P
[20:43] <maco> Xgates: maybe 1/5 of people involved are paid. and most of them are paid to make *launchpad* better, i think....
[20:43] <HEIKKI123> why don't they put the fix in karmic? :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/389888
[20:43] <rob0> Another thing to think about is that millions of people don't understand how things work, so what seems like a bug to them is often, in actual fact, just a misunderstanding.
[20:43] <maco> Xgates: so why do you think we should work harder in our spare time when you are unwilling to work in yours at all
[20:43] <maco> ????
[20:43] <nara> on a win-xp+jaunty machine. Tried Alt-F2 to upgrade to karmic, but this just gets to the bios?
[20:43] <rezd> It's not a bug, it's a feature.
[20:43] <Xgates> A misunderstanding, LOL, that's a good one, we have a lot of misunderstandings then
[20:43] <Xgates> LOL
[20:44] <rob0> http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[20:44] <DopeGhoti> If I had been running 9.10 beta, and am up-to-date with respect to apt-get up{date,grade}, I'm already running the RC, correct?
[20:44] <maco> Xgates: i did come across one bug where someone thought "sed -ir" was behaving wrong...when if theyd read the manpage, theyd know it was doing exactly what it says it should
[20:45] <maco> DopeGhoti: yes
[20:45] <rob0> Xgates: I was going to offer to look at your "bug", but I have lost interest.
[20:45] <DopeGhoti> maco: thought so, thanks :)
[20:45] <Pici> HEIKKI123: That bug *has* been fixed.  The new version was just published about a half an hour ago,.
[20:45] <maco> frandieguez: dpm says he talked to you about it being a bug in the app not a translation problem
[20:45] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[20:45] <rob0> "19:43 < Xgates> nah I don't work for free, been there done that, waste of time..."
[20:45] <Xgates> maco: I'm not a Linux newbie I know how it works, not asking anyone to work harder for free, and I'm doing a part, I'm using it and I'm reporting bugs, BUT when I see a BUG that effects the performance of the system and there is no precedence to fix this, well then I'm not happy, because performance is a priority that someone seems to be overlooking
[20:45] <nara> anyway to upgrade jaunty->karmic using just update mgr?
[20:46] <HEIKKI123> Pici: yea :)
[20:46] <DopeGhoti> nara: update-manager -d
[20:46] <maco> Xgates: bug squad is almost entirely volunteers. asking for all bugs to be responded to within 2 days? yes, that is asking us to do more work in our spare time
[20:46] <DopeGhoti> nara: as with any such upgrade, back up your data, etc.
[20:46] <rezd> So when is the final freeze for the Koala?
[20:46] <robotti^> are there anybody who can help me? :)
[20:46] <Xgates> rob0: don't look at it, see if I care, it only hurts Ubuntu not me, so with an attitude like that you're not helping anyone. AND I didn't mean my reply to sound the way it did, LIKE I said I'm using Karmic and reporting bugs, so give a guy a break, I'm helping out :)
[20:46] <maco> triaging bugs does not take *negative* time
[20:47] <nara> dopeghoti, tx, backup is done; keep my fingers crossed on upgrading ;)
[20:47] <DopeGhoti> nara: worked fine for my Eee, so you should be golden.  good luck!
[20:47] <mbeierl> robotti^: what is your question?
[20:47] <rob0> Xgates: I am not a Ubuntu developer or volunteer, merely a user, and you're the one who probably comes across with the bad attitude. Ignored, bye.
[20:48] <nara> dopeghoti, tx, ready to give it a shot
[20:49] <Twigathy> You can apply an SLA to a project where people work in their spare time
[20:49] <Twigathy> it just won't work
[20:49] <Twigathy> ever
[20:49] <Xgates> Well I'm not saying to jump within 2 days, I'm just saying to let people know someone has checked them is all...
[20:49] <Jordan_U> Xgates: I understand that it's frustrating, it's incredibly frustrating for me too often. But I also understand that there is no easy solution, and no one at fault. It's just an unfortunate reality and complaining about it does nothing but waste time and discourage the people who are trying to triage and fix bugs
[20:50] <Jordan_U> Xgates: And if nobody has checked them?
[20:50] <Xgates> No one is complaining, I'm trying to talk about it to find a solution, sorry if it came across as just a whine fest....
[20:51] <Xgates> but let's face it in IRC when you try to have a serious talk about anything people jump on your ass and get all pissy
[20:52] <mbeierl> Xgates: THAT'S NOT TRUE.  Now Stop Being So TOUCHY
[20:52]  * mbeierl couldn't resist ....
[20:52] <Xgates> what IRC and assholes? not true?
[20:52] <Xgates> LOL
[20:52] <mbeierl> I lose
[20:53] <Xgates> mbeierl: I've been on IRC since the day it was born, so please don't tell me about the attitudes of people on IRC
[20:53] <Twigathy> Did you employ RFC 1149?
[20:53]  * mbeierl regrets feeble attempt at humour....
[20:53] <darthanubis> !language | Xgates
[20:53] <jcastro> frandieguez: setting bug #457632 to confirmed would be a good start if you're seeing the problem
[20:54] <Xgates> yeah my bad...
[20:54] <mbeierl> jcastro: OH.  I thought only the devs should "confirm" a bug.  Cool!
[20:54] <jcastro> no
[20:54] <jcastro> anyone who sees the bug should set it to confirmed
[20:54] <jcastro> if a bug is stuck in "New" no one will ever get to it
[20:55] <mbeierl> great!  That's what I get for not reading any guidelines :)
[20:55] <mbeierl> it helps to listen to what others are saying....
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: My question is about my wireless on ubuntu karmic koala 9.10. On installation it worked. But after boot it does not work anymore
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: my computer is macbook 5,1
[20:56] <mbeierl> robotti^: ooh.  sorry - not sure I can help.  Have you explained the problem here already?
[20:57] <robotti^> I am not sure
[20:57] <robotti^> it is about restricted wireless driver
[20:58] <robotti^> it can reload on installer
[20:58] <mbeierl> robotti^: ok, does the network interface show up at all after reboot - or is it that it cannot connect
[20:58] <robotti^> but not anymore on installed system
[20:58] <robotti^> no, there is no interface
[20:59] <robotti^> I am now on mac os x, because I can not connect to INternet without wireless
[20:59] <Breetai> Hey, I am running kamric and I added kde-desktop how do I get the ubuntu splash during boot back? the old update-alternatives usplash-artwork.so does not do it. Thanks for the help if anyone knows.
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: should I download release candidate
[21:00] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a Huawei E160 3G mobile broadband USB modem, trying to get it to run in Karmic.. How do I do this? Network manager seems to recognize it (the mobile broadband tab goes from disabled to enabled when I connect it) but then?
[21:00] <phoenixz> I select add, I get GSM or CDMA.. Which of the two should I select?
[21:00] <mbeierl> robotti^: it would be worth a try.  How long ago did you download the beta?
[21:00] <phoenixz> Then I need to fill in a phone number, username and password.. But I have not gotten these supplied, are these needed? can't find anything about  it in the documentation they supplied with the modem
[21:01] <robotti^> mbeierl: I downloaded it yesterday
[21:01] <mbeierl> robotti^: there is almost no difference then between it and the RC
[21:01] <robotti^> On installer it worked
[21:02] <robotti^> I think it is about too old driver?
[21:03] <MightyTweek> phoenixz: you'll probably need to Google "t-mobile usb internet ubuntu" (substitute the name of your provider for t-mobile) or something like that to find the settings
[21:03] <robotti^> mbeierl: should I use then ndiswrapper?
[21:03] <DanThirst> OK
[21:03] <phoenixz> MightyTweek: Already did so, found quite a bit, but nothing that helps :(
[21:04] <MightyTweek> all right, who is your provider?
[21:04] <DanThirst> It doesn't look like when i set my time zone in the admin panel for "time and date" it isn't storing it so my clock is losing time.  how do i fix said issue
[21:05] <benste> mzz: I'm sorry to come back this late, but empathy blocked me to join this channel, cause it was in favorites.
[21:05] <leoncismeck> Is there a list of current issues with ubuntu+1?
[21:06] <robotti^> has anybody experience with macbooks?
[21:06] <MightyTweek> leoncismeck: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[21:06] <leoncismeck> Because there are some major problems with the live disc that I'm running into
[21:06] <leoncismeck> MightyTweek: I mean anything more recent
[21:07] <leoncismeck> booting the live disc drops me at a login ubuntu/ubuntu is not the login details
[21:07] <MightyTweek> leoncismeck: what issues are you seeing? you could always search launchpad for a bug report
[21:07] <mbeierl> robotti^: I am not sure ndiswrapper will work is that is designed for "MS Windows" drivers.  Anyone else working on mac book here?
[21:07] <leoncismeck> and booting the live disc to go to "Install" drops me at the desktop, icons are missing and I'm told that there is no hard drive space
[21:07] <leoncismeck> actually, this could be a problem... parallels may not be expanding the disc properly...
[21:08] <benste> jordan_U - mzz has been gone ?
[21:09] <robotti^> mbeierl: but using windows driver for my wireless?
[21:09] <mzz> benste: still somewhat here
[21:09] <benste> mzz the problem is that empathy didn't get your nick with TAB :-)
[21:09] <benste> I already hate this in comparision with pidgin :-)
[21:10] <benste> mzz: I've searche for updates but my system looks up to date last look 1h ago
[21:10] <benste> mzz where can I see whether I have RC or Beta ?
[21:10] <mbeierl> robotti^: is there one?
[21:10] <maco> benste: if your updates are installed, you have RC
[21:11] <mzz> benste: what maco said, and I don't know a convenient way to see what you installed from (which might matter here)
[21:11] <DanThirst> It doesn't look like when i set my time zone in the admin panel for "time and date" it isn't storing it so my clock is losing time.  how do i fix said issue
[21:11] <maco> DanThirst: are you sure your CMOS battery's not dying?
[21:12] <robotti^> mbeierl: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_on_MacBook
[21:12] <DanThirst> it is
[21:12] <benste> mzz: who's maco and when did he say what ?
[21:12] <DanThirst> but the holder is broke as well
[21:12] <benste> sry :-)
[21:12] <DanThirst> but trust me there is still a problem
[21:12] <DanThirst> i don't think its storing the time zone
[21:12] <mzz> benste: what? sounds like you might need to come back with a saner irc client
[21:12] <maco> benste: maco is me and she said that here: <maco> benste: if your updates are installed, you have RC
[21:12] <benste> mzz  I thought lsb_release -a would give somethin useful but it doesn't
[21:13] <mbeierl> robotti^: sounds like you might be on to something there.  Do you have your OSX install dvd?
[21:13] <benste> mzz: the couple of IRC bugs is now know by me and launchpad, so all is fine if you know where they are :-)
[21:13] <robotti^> mbeierl: It is over 15km here
[21:14] <robotti^> mbeierl: too far away
[21:14] <robotti^> where to need it?
[21:15] <benste> mzz: you still have the time to help me ? - so I'll reboot now
[21:16] <DanThirst> so i'm on my own on this one tonto
[21:17] <benste> mzz: now I've got 5 updates,some nautilus and some telepathy which is part of empathy as far as ai know
[21:17] <mbeierl> do you have the Windows drivers for the wireless card?  the page you referenced said you need them and one place to get them is from the OSX install disc.
[21:17] <mbeierl> robotti^: ^
[21:18] <benste> mbeierl: who are you talking ?
[21:18] <benste> sry
[21:18] <mbeierl> benste: started typing before I remembered to whom I was talking ;)
[21:19] <robotti^> mbeierl: yes I know. but ubuntu installer does not need them because it copy them over Internet
[21:19] <DanThirst> Ok, am I not providing enough information why isn't any one attempting to even try and help me ? or this just isn't what you guys care about right now ?
[21:19] <robotti^> but I can use windows drivers too
[21:20] <mbeierl> robotti^: when you run the ubuntu live cd - what modules are loaded?  "lsmod" from a terminal - and look if there is one that looks like "bcmXXX" or something that might be able to use your wireless
[21:20] <mbeierl> robotti^: when booting back into installed Ubuntu, go to a terminal and try "sudo modprobe bcmXXX" (from the output) and see if that wakes up the card
[21:24]  * thiebaude its quiet today
[21:25] <cmwslw> is the karmic rc on the USA server yet?
[21:26] <thiebaude> cmwslw, i dont know, i burned mine yesterday
[21:26] <leftyfb> did you look?
[21:26] <leftyfb> thiebaude: the RC wasn't out yesterday
[21:26] <ck773> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[21:26] <cmwslw> i ran update-manager -d and it said 9.10 was available
[21:26] <thiebaude> leftyfb, i know,lol
[21:26] <cmwslw> but on the readme it still said it was beta
[21:26] <cmwslw> although beta might mean release candidate too
[21:27] <leftyfb> cmwslw: look at the iso filename
[21:27] <mbeierl> updates are starting to come in via apt.  RC must be well pushed out now ;)
[21:27] <leftyfb> if it says rc, it's rc
[21:27] <ck773> word
[21:27] <robotti^> mbeierl: some restricted modules are loaded on install
[21:27] <cmwslw> leftyb: i'm not downloading the iso, i'm upgrading
[21:27] <robotti^> mbeierl: I can check installer
[21:28] <maco> cmwslw: it means someone forgot to change the text
[21:28] <cmwslw> maco: i know that's a possibility, but are you sure that it is the rc i'm looking at?
[21:29] <maco> cmwslw: if you checked for updates, it is. the repositories wont have the week-old packages anymore
[21:32] <ror_> hi, getting loads of dbus error messages while updating, is this normal?
[21:32] <mbeierl> robotti^: did you try checking for restricted drivers when ubuntu was running after install?
[21:33] <ror_> http://pastebin.com/f76df6e34
[21:33] <mbeierl> robotti^: System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers/
[21:33] <cmwslw> has any irc clients with notify-osd support made it into karmic?
[21:33] <undeconstructed> has anyone else had ridiculously loud audio stream opening noise on karmic?
[21:35] <cmwslw> i'm hoping notify-osd is actually used more in karmic - programs didn't have time to implement it before jaunty
[21:35] <sebsebseb> cmwslw: notify-osd isn't part of upstream Gnome
[21:36] <ror_> shame, one thing that was nice about the old amarok over rhythmbox was the better use of osd
[21:36] <mbeierl> ror_: just did update here - only gnome-app-install libcairomm-1.0-1 libnautilus-extension1 nautilus nautilus-data telepathy-butterfly to update - and no dbus errors at all.
[21:37] <mbeierl> undeconstructed: do you have intel sound card? there was a bug/workaround somewhere about pops/clicks and noise on start/stop of audio...
[21:37] <ror_> hmm, thanks mbeierl; I got this when timer was (approx) "40 mins left" starting from "2hr40"
[21:37] <ror_> it hasn't stopped my upgrade, it's still going
[21:37] <ror_> but every 2-3 seconds it logs this error
[21:38] <undeconstructed> mbeierl: no, some nvidia onboard hda thing...
[21:38] <mbeierl> ror_: ah - I see you're doing a big update.  I was on alpha->beta->today so there were only 5 updates for me today :)
[21:38] <ror_> process 28326 in question is chipcardd
[21:38] <Xgates> The DEV team needs to look at this bug:  458527
[21:38] <ror_> and there's 2 "chipcardd" processes running, could that be a cause?
[21:38] <leftyfb> Xgates: the dev team needs to look at a lot of bugs
[21:38] <ror_> sorry, chipcardd4
[21:39] <robotti^> mbeierl: I am now on installer
[21:39] <robotti^> How I know what is that module
[21:39] <mbeierl> robotti^: lsmod from a terminal - maybe save the output to a usb stick or somewhere
[21:40] <Xgates> leftyfb: yes they do, even though this might be cosmetic, it sets the tone for how people are going to perceive the distro, as polished or a mess
[21:40] <mbeierl> robotti^: first look for any that match bcm like "lsmod | grep -i bcm"
[21:40] <robotti^> mbeierl: or on hardriver_
[21:40] <ror_> has gnome fixed the "reversed volume slider" bug yet?
[21:40] <robotti^> mbeierl: I have 30megs fat partition
[21:40] <robotti^> for configs and screenshots
[21:40] <ror_> pet peeve of mine; it claimed ot be fixed upstream but never saw it fixed in Jaunty
[21:40] <mbeierl> robotti^: that ought to do it :)
[21:41] <ror_> I'mma kick up a fuss if it's still broken in karmic D=
[21:41] <mbeierl> ror_: you know what would really get people's attention?  If you joined the team and helped push it through ;)
[21:42] <fbn_> Hi, I can not find some software packets in the new software installation tool. sun-java jdk is not available for example
[21:42] <fbn_> any reason for that?
[21:42] <gbrethen> question about ubuntu 9.10 - why does it keep freezing after about 10 mins?  is this a known issue?
[21:42] <fbn_> do I have to enable some view first?
[21:42] <ror_> I tried, heck I even downloaded the source before it was fixed upstream but work commitments have been crazy lately
[21:42] <robotti^> mbeierl: bcm5974
[21:42] <ror_> so I'd rather just grump at those with more time :p
[21:42] <fbn_> gbrethen, no, not for me here
[21:43] <TDJACR> When is the RC out?
[21:43] <v3trae> TDJACR: motd.
[21:43] <sebsebseb> TDJACR: It's out
[21:43] <gbrethen> I have installed it twice now, did an update, but that doesn't seem to remedy the problem.
[21:43] <thiebaude> fbn_, did you sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk?
[21:43] <sebsebseb> v3trae: What does that mean?
[21:43] <fbn_> thiebaude, no, I tried the GUI in Karmic
[21:43] <mbeierl> robotti^: it looks like that's in the kernel.  try rebooting into the install and from a terminal "sudo modprobe bcm5974"
[21:43] <v3trae> sebsebseb: read the message of the day? it has the schedule link in it.
[21:43] <fbn_> thiebaude, Software Center
[21:43] <thiebaude> fbn_, ahh,ok
[21:44] <fbn_> thiebaude, I see with apt-cache that sun-java6 is available but Software Center does not show it. Do you see it on your system?
[21:44] <TDJACR> The website still says beta
[21:44] <thiebaude> fbn_, i have never seen it in software center, that was 3 days before Oct1
[21:45] <ck773> the file name says rc
[21:45] <thiebaude> fbn_, i hope they do include it
[21:45] <hacknslash> robotti^, are the restricted drivers activated in System > Administration > Hardware drivers ........
[21:45] <TDJACR> !rc
[21:45] <ror_> !topic
[21:46] <TDJACR> Topic != MOTD
[21:46] <robotti^> hacknslash: yes they are on install
[21:46] <fbn_> thiebaude, I think Software Center only shows "free" software by default
[21:46] <fbn_> but I did not find any way to select "all"
[21:46] <robotti^> hacknslash: it is Broadcom STA wireless driver
[21:46] <gbrethen> not sure why, but after 10mins, the system freezes and I have to do a hard reboot
[21:46] <ror_> anything in logs that might indicate a problem?
[21:47] <robotti^> mbeierl: on that restricted driver panel it is Broadcom STA wireless driver
[21:47] <thiebaude> fbn_, i dont know they show adobe in other section of software center
[21:47] <mbeierl> robotti^: from install still or after reboot?
[21:47] <HEIKKI123> Sorry, the page you are looking for was not found
[21:47] <HEIKKI123> the RC link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[21:47] <robotti^> for bcm4311, 4312, 4321, 4322
[21:47] <hacknslash> System > Administration > Hardware drivers ........actually shows the STA driver as Activated
[21:47] <robotti^> wait
[21:47] <robotti^> I must reboot
[21:48] <TDJACR> Is there a fix for MacBook Pro 5,3 sound yet?
[21:48] <ror_> linux/ubuntu is disgustingly good; how many people upgrading other OSes can sit on IRC diagnosing any problems while doing it? :o
[21:48]  * mbeierl suddenly feels the urge to reboot too
[21:48] <mbeierl> ror_: it ROCKS!
[21:48] <DanThirst> ror_: why would all of them be able to ?
[21:49] <DanThirst> Oh i see what your saying ifxing the problem with your os
[21:49] <DanThirst> well no one has helped me yet :( and i keep telling them there is something wrong
[21:50] <ror_> well what's wrong DanThirst?
[21:51] <benste> mzz, I'm back again, strange things happened now, no errors on bootup but the TTy8 indicates that cryptswap is running, I'll post you two pics
[21:51] <DanThirst> clock wont stay synced
[21:51] <benste> mzz, Jordan_U: usual boot: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7154/dsc00740v.jpg
[21:51] <ror_> which kind of clock?
[21:51] <maco> DanThirst: does wont stay synced = always off by the timezone, or drifting? or always says 12:00 on boot?
[21:52] <ror_> or are we talking cpu clock i.e. core speeds?
[21:52] <benste> mzz: Jordan_U boot after commenting out the cryptswap part in /etcfastab
[21:52] <benste> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3219/dsc00743m.jpg
[21:52] <DanThirst> I don't reboot, yes i know my motherboard battery is dead, but the auto sync for the clock is not working
[21:52] <ror_> DanThirst, how are you syncing, ntp?
[21:53] <wildweathel> NTP might need a working motherboard clock.
[21:53] <durt> DanThirst, you might want to replace ntpdate with ntp.
[21:53] <DanThirst> it worked find before upgrading to karmic
[21:53] <ror_> run ntptime, what's your output?
[21:53] <DanThirst> alright durt thank you
[21:53] <DanThirst> lemme check
[21:53] <tiagoboldt> Hi, I have an up to date karmic by my side, and I'm not able to use the wlan0 interface, using the rt61pci driver. I've installed 2.6.29 from kernel-mainline and it works without any problem. From that point on.. nothing. Ideas?
[21:53] <DanThirst> ntp_gettime() returns code 5 (ERROR)
[21:54] <DanThirst> nm i'll paste bin it
[21:55] <DanThirst> http://pastebin.com/d4d05b78e
[21:56] <DanThirst> i have ntpdate and ntp installed
[21:56] <DanThirst> could that be the issue
[21:56] <Deathvalley122> is x11 still enabled?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> tiagoboldt: What happens when you try to use wireless with the karmic kernel, does wlan0 exist at all?
[21:56] <tiagoboldt> yup
[21:56] <benste> @all my camera is detected as music/ media player AND media containing photos, how can I tell nautilus not to see it as music ?
[21:57] <tiagoboldt> but iwlist scan reports nothing
[21:57] <Jordan_U> tiagoboldt: Any messages in dmesg?
[21:58] <tiagoboldt> if I remove the module and insert it again, it finds the network, but only 1 beacon, and then the last beacon time increases and it disapears, reporting nothing else
[21:58] <v3trae> as far as i know i'm running the 9.1 beta, update manager doesn't say a new build is available for me, does this mean it's already done all the updates when it patches nautilus and what not earlier this morning?
[21:59] <tiagoboldt> dmesg reports this-> http://pastebin.com/m6f628bc9
[22:00] <DanThirst> durt: you see my messages?
[22:00] <DanThirst> ror_: ?
[22:00] <ror_> not sure DanThirst, what is in your ntp.conf?
[22:00] <durt> DanThirst, I always thought ntp and ntpdate conflicted each other.
[22:01] <DanThirst> where is that located
[22:01] <ror_> durt, maybe, but I have both installed and working ok?
[22:01] <ror_> erm, /etc/ntp.conf I would guess
[22:02] <DanThirst> maybe your internal clock is fine so it it isn't and you dont' know :p
[22:02] <DanThirst> yeah thas where it is ror_
[22:02] <DanThirst> thank you
[22:04] <DanThirst> http://pastebin.com/d5208e5e3
[22:05] <durt> Maybe I'm wrong, but my lappy's cmos battery is dead and just running ntp works for me.
[22:06] <ror_> you have no server listed!
[22:06] <ror_> under the line "#you may need a server listed or 2
[22:06] <ror_> oh wait you have them all at the bottom nvm
[22:06] <ror_> didn't scroll down far enough, bloody elinks :o
[22:06] <DanThirst> yeah i have like 10 because it was ticking me off
[22:07] <DanThirst> it didn't work with 2
[22:07] <DanThirst> i don't see where its storing the time zone but i think thats the issue,
[22:07] <DanThirst> i think if i just ditch the conf file and pick ntpdate or ntp it'll prolly fix it
[22:07] <ror_> you could try that; or try to find out what ERROR(5) refers to
[22:08] <DanThirst> i'll look and see what that is first
[22:08] <durt> DanThirst, timezone is a local setting, IIRC 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' to change that.
[22:10] <durt> also are you sure you are allowed to contact those servers? for sure ntp.ubuntu.com works.
[22:11] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz: still here ?
[22:12] <ror_> "removing ttf-bitstream-vera" < for real? that's my favourite font!
[22:12] <mzz> benste: only a little bit
[22:12] <Ademan> is there a way to browse the source code of a project hosted on launchpad? (xsplash in this case)
[22:13] <benste> mzz: so your adivse was to look into something next after commenting it out right ? - where whould i look for what - you got the pics ?
[22:13] <mzz> benste: pastebin /etc/crypttab iirc
[22:13] <G_A_C>  <durt> DanThirst, I always thought ntp and ntpdate conflicted each other. - I don't think so, they somewhat complement each other; ntpdate will do a one-off set of your system clock to match that of your target, no questions asked while ntp (or at least ntpd) runs constantly to keep your clock in sync with tiny steps
[22:14] <ror_> ok, brb restarting cos my upgrade has finally finished, wish me luck! (in particular I've unblacklisted my wireless card which always ran really really slow on the kernel modules in gutsy and I've been manually recompiling every kernel since! gonna try the supplied ones again)
[22:14] <benste> mzz:
[22:14] <benste> # <target name>	<source device>		<key file>	<options>
[22:14] <benste> cryptswap1 /dev/sda6 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256
[22:14] <benste> that's all
[22:14] <mzz> this'd probably go better if I still had cryptsetup installed myself, but hang on
[22:15] <benste> mzz: looking at the screenshots it looks like cryptswap is working without fstab entry
[22:15] <benste> no prob
[22:15] <mzz> benste: I don't follow. Do you mean you still get those complaints at boot even after commenting out the swap line in fstab?
[22:16] <benste> no i don't get those comments but pre commenting out TTY8 looked like this:
[22:16] <benste> http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7154/dsc00740v.jpg
[22:16] <benste> and after it looked like http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3219/dsc00743m.jpg
[22:17] <mzz> benste: neither is problematic. What was the actual problem again?
[22:17] <robotti^> hacknslash: Hello!
[22:18] <benste> mzz: the problem was that I got those messages, and boottime seemed to be long
[22:18] <roj> hi i'm trying to install karmic 9.10 from the live cd. I have an nvidia 7600gs GPU but when it boots into x to get the desktop my monitor goes out of range, any ideas?
[22:18] <hacknslash> robotti^, hi
[22:18] <mzz> benste: I'm confused. I saw a screenshot earlier about failure to enable swap and having to hit esc for a recovery console. I was assuming that was preventing boot.
[22:18] <benste> roj: did you already install nvidia restricted modules or not ?
[22:19] <mzz> benste: also, how large is that swap partition?
[22:19] <roj> no this is from the live cd, i have nothing installed on the pc yet
[22:19] <benste> mzz: NO it's not preventing boot, it just slows down and gives this message 5 or 6 times
[22:19] <roj> its a clean install
[22:19] <roj> i can't get to an x session to install the restricted drivers
[22:19] <robotti^> hacknslash: wait a second
[22:19] <hacknslash> robotti^, okay
[22:20] <benste> roj you don't need X-session to install restricted :-)
[22:20] <benste> roj: I guess you saw the white ubuntu logo and afterwards it was out of range ?
[22:20] <roj> i tried changing the f6 options to boot vga=791 but that just changed the framebuffer
[22:20] <roj> yes thats right benste
[22:21] <DanThirst> any idea how often the time gets updated?
[22:21] <roj> is there a way to do a text based install?
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5d2ffcc4 <-- without wireless
[22:21] <ror> wow, almost painless!
[22:21] <ror> and I no longer have to manually connect to my router every boot! woohoo
[22:21] <benste> mzz: you explained to me earlier that without cryptswap my data woun't be save, but my 2nd screenshot with uncommented crypt entry in fstab looks like it has been started anyway doesn't it ?
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d4687f5d9 <-- and with wireless
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: and on installed system I do not have network
[22:21] <jdahm> How stable is Karmic Koala for everyday use?
[22:22] <robotti^> I am not sure what is that module should load on installed system
[22:22] <benste> roj: do you have wired or wirelss connection ?
[22:22] <roj> wired
[22:22] <mzz> benste: the encryption part did start, but you should not have any swap active currently (check using "free -m" or something)
[22:22] <jdahm> is there a bugtracker I can see what tickets are still outstanding?
[22:22] <DanThirst> jdahm:  so far i haven't had any problems other than my clock >_>
[22:22] <hacknslash> robotti^, i'm reading the pastebin
[22:22] <DanThirst> this has been 3 or 4 days
[22:22] <DanThirst> i upgraded from 9.04
[22:22] <benste> mzz:              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:22] <benste> Mem:          2517       1290       1227          0         60        784
[22:22] <benste> -/+ buffers/cache:        444       2073
[22:22] <benste> Swap:            0          0          0
[22:22] <mzz> !pastebin
[22:22] <BUGabundo> benste: pastebin please
[22:22] <jdahm> benste: PLEASE DON"T PASTE IN THE CHANNEL
[22:22] <benste> :-)
[22:23] <benste> just thought 3 lines would be ok
[22:23] <DanThirst> nope
[22:23] <mzz> benste: so you currently don't have any swap, but the encryption bits still happen (you just don't actually use the provided encrypted block device anymore)
[22:23] <DanThirst> any thing over 1 isn't ok
[22:23] <jdahm> benste: sorry to yell ;)
[22:23] <mzz> benste: I told you to turn that off because I was assuming it wasn't booting (the device never became available)
[22:24] <benste> mzz you'r right just dicovered that Ive got no swap anymore ;-) ROFL
[22:24] <mzz> benste: if it *is* booting, just a bit more slowly, there's a few things that could cause that: you're bottlenecked by cpu, io or entropy. And I'm guessing it's the last one.
[22:24] <mzz> benste: err, wait. It's already using /dev/urandom, so it's actually not entropy.
[22:24] <robotti^> hacknslash: what you think?
[22:25] <mzz> benste: which leaves cpu or io. How large is that swap partition?
[22:25] <benste> mzz: what's entropy ? - for me the whole problem looks like it's trying to get the swap before it is crypted
[22:25] <benste> mzz: swap is 3 Gb
[22:25] <mzz> benste: that's about twice as much as I'd have, but that's just me. Easiest way to find out what's actually slow might be to install bootchart and reboot (with swap re-enabled in fstab)
[22:26] <jdahm> DanThirst: uh, does printing to postscript printers work for you from GTK apps?
[22:26] <benste> mzz apt-get install bootchart ?
[22:26] <jdahm> DanThirst: the bugtracker https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic says thats broken still
[22:26] <mzz> benste: entropy's innocent, it's already using /dev/urandom. It's "randomness", which systems can run out of, requiring you to do random things like use the keyboard/mouse to refill the pool.
[22:26] <mzz> benste: and yes.
[22:26] <DanThirst> i only have one gtk app that i really use, and i don't even print really that often
[22:26] <mzz> benste: if it was using /dev/random instead of /dev/urandom it'd block if it ran out of randomness.
[22:27] <hacknslash> robotti^, did you ubuntu install use the bwcutter app
[22:27] <roj> i have a wired connection benste
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: yes
[22:27] <benste> mzz just install and reboot ?
[22:27] <benste> with enabled swap
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: Or I think so
[22:27] <mzz> benste: that's what I said, yes, iirc.
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: but I think it does not work on final install
[22:28] <benste> roj, you'll see options in the boot menu below to switch to a text based install as far as I remember - or try CTRL + ALT F1 when your're out of range - I'll be away for some mins , just rebooting
[22:28] <robotti^> I do not have network on when booted hardrive
[22:28] <roj> ok thanks
[22:29] <robotti^> broadcom 43**
[22:29] <hacknslash> robotti^, just a sec
[22:29] <benste> mzz: does bootchart have a gui '?
[22:30] <robotti^>  Card Type:AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x8D)  Firmware Version:Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.19)
[22:30] <benste> mzz: I'll reboot now
[22:31] <DanThirst> ok not exactly sure what i did, but it looks like its working now!
[22:32] <DanThirst> and turns out this other clock is a minute off :P
[22:34] <benste1> mzz: I'm back again - where can I find the logs of bootchart ?
[22:34] <mzz> benste1: run "bootchart<tab>" iirc
[22:34] <ror> DanThirst, I've missed some of the convo but it may have been that your clock was too far out for ntptime but ntpdate sorted it?
[22:34] <mzz> benste1: or pybootchart. Either should be able to generate an image.
[22:34] <hacknslash> robotti^, what shows if you type ifconfig in a terminal
[22:34] <benste1> mzz what the is iirc - you repeated that word now the 3rd time or so
[22:34] <DanThirst> no it was only 5mins behind
[22:35] <mzz> benste1: "if I recall correctly". I haven't had to use these tools recently.
[22:35] <DanThirst> i think it was a bad config file, or maybe one of the two ntp packages weren't correct for karmic
[22:35] <benste1> mzz thx - guess you meant pybootchartgui
[22:35] <robotti^> hacknslash: when?
[22:35] <DanThirst> becaues i removed them and reinstalled them and removed the conf file after that it started working
[22:35] <DanThirst> because *
[22:36] <robotti^> hacknslash: If networking is working, there is eth1 and ip
[22:36] <robotti^> if not, there is no interface
[22:36] <ror> ah ok, well glad you got it working
[22:36] <G_A_C> DanThirst: if your hardware clock is broken, the best thing to do is set the timezone right, have a startup job that runs ntpdate (one off sync, will set your clock regardless of how far out it is) and then starts the ntp daemon which runs in the background but will only change the clock by about a minute at a time
[22:36] <robotti^> hacknslash: and when it is not working I cannot load that restricted driver
[22:37] <benste1> mzz: pybootchartgui: error: insufficient arguments, expected at least one path.
[22:37] <G_A_C> then while your system is up and running your clock can't drift too far off the ntpd reference clocks, but if you do shut it down then ntpdate will take care of making sure it's set correctly during the bootup process
[22:37] <mzz> benste1: /var/log/bootchart/something iirc
[22:37] <linuxguy2009> What exactly does RC mean? Does it mean its finished but just not officially released or what?
[22:37] <mzz> linuxguy2009: "release candidate"
[22:37] <DanThirst> G_A_C: thats a cool idea that is way to much work to do, see sounds a lot like going and getting a battery to fix the whole issue.  and this machine doesn't ever get shut off unless power goes out
[22:38] <linuxguy2009> mzz: yeah I know what the letters mean. But I mean what does that mean?
[22:38] <maco> linuxguy2009: RC is like "if nobody finds a release-critical bug in this, this is it"
[22:38] <G_A_C> that's a good point, a battery would fix it also...why do I always overlook the simple things? :)
[22:38] <linuxguy2009> maco: ah ok cool.
[22:38] <benste1> mzz: looks really nice shoul i pastebin the image for you ?
[22:38] <mzz> linuxguy2009: "candidate" for "release"-ing. If nothing critical is found it'd be released as is.
[22:38] <hacknslash> robotti^, i have followed these instructions for two mates and found the problem after half a dozen steps, http://swik.net/broadcom+Ubuntu, I have not followed them all the way to the end
[22:39] <robotti^> hacknslash: and what is problem?
[22:39] <linuxguy2009> Has there ever been any critical bugs in past release RC images?
[22:39] <benste1> mzz: this image shows me that I would have had an overall boot time of 80 s ? - this can't be true
[22:39] <linuxguy2009> Or is it pretty rare?
[22:40] <robotti^> hacknslash: I have installed that B43-fwcutter
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: iirc you can upload the file in /var/log/bootchart/
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: (it's probably smaller than the image)
[22:40] <benste1> i'll do
[22:40] <hacknslash> robotti^, after the reboot do you have a choice of restricted drivers to activate
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: and it starts running shortly after the linux kernel takes over from grub, and keeps going for a while after you log in
[22:41] <robotti^> hacknslash: it does not activate. I have tested
[22:42] <benste1> mzz I'll upload the iamge as this is 3 times smaller than the log
[22:42] <robotti^> hacknslash: it only activates on install
[22:42] <robotti^> but not on when system is installed
[22:43] <mzz> odd, I thought the log was compressed and not too huge
[22:43] <mzz> oh well
[22:43] <DanThirst> alright thanks for all the help guys
[22:43] <DanThirst> later ya'll
[22:44] <benste1> mzz : http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1420/vaiofe31mkarmic20091022.png
[22:44] <lamalex> Does anyone have a good alternate dvd player? im getting bit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdvdnav/+bug/445980
[22:44] <robotti^> hacknslash: I can try that configuring
[22:45] <benste1> mzz : and i'll have to relog again, cause my panels dissapeared after replacing compiz cause of a crash
[22:45] <Jordan_U> lamalex: vlc
[22:45] <lamalex> Jordan_U: does vlc support menus?
[22:45] <Jordan_U> lamalex: Yes
[22:45] <lamalex> rad
[22:45] <lamalex> thanks
[22:46] <hacknslash> robotti^, is the network manager wireless option checked
[22:47] <linuxguy2009> Is there an RC of netbook-remix yet?
[22:48] <benste1> mzz: here I am once again - got the image ?
[22:48] <mzz> benste1: I wonder what that 6 seconds sleep during a resume attempt is for
[22:48] <genii> Probably to sync
[22:49] <benste1> mzz: i dunnow
[22:49] <benste1> :-)
[22:50] <mzz> benste1: other than that nothing really stands out, it's just doing a ton of io (I'm assuming your hd isn't *that* fast)
[22:50] <benste1> mzz it's only a 5600
[22:51] <benste1> my next one will get  a 7200 one but this one is 3 years old now and as student ...
[22:51] <mzz> benste1: you can try without encrypted swap just to see if it makes a difference (comment out the line in /etc/crypttab, replace /dev/main/cryptswap1 with the actual partition in /etc/fstab, and run mkswap on the actual partition after cryptsetup is done with it (I forgot the command for that, but a reboot would also do it))
[22:52] <mzz> benste1: but I think the encrypted swap is mostly innocent (costing you a few seconds or so but nothing insanely huge) and it's mainly just boot not liking slowish drives much
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: when I try load those modules
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: it just say no such module
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: module name is wl
[22:52] <hacknslash> robotti^, i gotta go fetch my son, back in a bit, then we can check this out, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx?action=show
[22:52] <hacknslash> robotti^, okay
[22:52] <benste1> mzz: so i'll disable encrypted swap first
[22:53] <robotti^> hacknslash: I think that is reason why not wireless does not initialize
[22:53] <hacknslash> yea
[22:53] <hacknslash> robotti^, hope to be back soon
[22:54] <benste1> mzz: there is no /dev/main
[22:54] <benste1> dir
[22:54] <mzz> benste1: sorry, meant /dev/mapper/
[22:55] <benste1> mzz and cryptswap file within is empty
[22:55] <mzz> benste1: err, don't edit that
[22:56] <mzz> benste1: I said "replace /dev/main/cryptswap1 with the actual partition in /etc/fstab"
[22:56] <benste1> which would be what ?
[22:56] <benste1> need the fstab again ?
[22:56] <mzz> benste1: I meant "open /etc/fstab in a text editor, locate the text "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" in it, and replace that text with the actual partition name (/dev/sdsomething)"
[22:57] <benste1> but which is the actual partiotion sda6 ?
[22:57] <benste1> take a look at http://pastebin.com/m4f4edd07
[22:57] <mzz> fstab doesn't know, that's why you have to edit it in the first place
[22:57] <mzz> crypttab does have that name
[22:58] <benste1> /dev/sda6
[22:58] <benste1> so ones again for lunatics - where should i place sda6 ?
[22:59] <benste1> mzz ?
[22:59] <benste1> sry got it now
[22:59] <mzz> benste1: if you're this confused by all this consider just leaving it all alone
[23:00] <mzz> or finding someone who has the time to explain to you how all the bits and pieces fit together
[23:00] <benste1> maybe it's just a bit late
[23:00] <benste1> but I'll try i just understood it - time brings wisdom :-)
[23:01] <benste1> mzz now my fstab is changed
[23:01] <benste1> I've made a copy of the original line and commented the old one
[23:02] <benste1> now rebooting ?
[23:02] <benste1> mzz ?
[23:03] <mzz> benste1: unless you remember how to tell cryptsetup to release the actual partition: yes
[23:03] <mzz> benste1: you probably need to run mkswap on the actual partition, but I don't recommend trying that before cryptsetup lets go of the device
[23:09] <benste> mzz: I've got a sawp now and no errors :-9
[23:09] <benste> but I huess it's not encrypted now right ?
[23:10] <mzz> benste: the messages should've gone away, but I don't expect it to help boot time all that much.
[23:10] <mzz> benste: correct
[23:10] <benste> maybe a bit but I'm about to look into boot things
[23:11] <mzz> benste: personally I turned the encryption back off because I wanted hibernate to work
[23:11] <benste> so hibernation will work if I'll turn off ?
[23:11] <mzz> benste: last time I checked it won't resume if your swap is encrypted (which makes sense)
[23:12] <benste> mzz: mine woun't hibernate anyway :-)
[23:12] <benste> now the cahrt looks very different
[23:12] <benste> the 5 sec at begginning disapeared
[23:12] <benste> I'll post you
[23:13] <mzz> I don't know what that delay is. It might be worth a bug
[23:14] <lamalex> Hi people, I'm trying to play a dvd, totem crashes when I try to play it (known bug) but vlc won't play it either!
[23:14] <benste> mzz should be filed against which packet ?
[23:14] <benste> mzz - by the way where are you from ?
[23:15] <benste> mzz - sry the waiting time is still there
[23:15] <benste> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3305/vaiofe31mkarmic20091023.png
[23:16] <benste> but all in all the period is shorter
[23:16] <bp0> what is Marvell Dove?
[23:17] <robotti^> it does not work :(
[23:17] <benste> mzz: If I recall correctly I#m now in the position that home is encrypted, but may be decrypted by a professional who may find an decryption key in swap right ?
[23:18] <wgb> Hi! My Ubuntu 9.10 RC alternate install hangs at 26% under "Finishing Installation". Any suggested solutions?
[23:18] <mzz> benste: yes, but I'd expect that to be hard. Easier would be fishing some random document that ended up being swapped out out of swap.
[23:19] <mzz> benste: I wouldn't expect the encryption key to make it to swap most of the time (unless you hibernate)
[23:19] <benste> ok so i'll finish for today, I'll write a blogpost asap about it, and may consider a to file a bug
[23:20] <benste> should I mention you somewhere there ? - cause for me it looks like you're the expert here who did the work from remote on my machine :-)
[23:20] <mzz> benste: I decided just having my homedir encrypted is good enough for my needs, since anyone who *really* wants my data can just wait until I'm using the laptop and then steal it (without giving me the time to lock it)
[23:20] <maco> does firefox lack an icon in the menu for any of you?
[23:20] <maco> same quesiton again for kubuntu users?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> maco: yes
[23:20] <maco> (i'm using kubuntu and i dont know if this is just on kubuntu or everywhere)
[23:20]  * BUGabundo waves gnome flag
[23:20] <mzz> benste: and/or threaten me with violence until I give up the password
[23:21] <benste> :-) I'm sure my sisters woun't do :-)
[23:21] <mzz> maco: I see a firefox icon (using gnome)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> err I don't even see Firefox in there :(
[23:21] <benste> mzz: should I mention you in my blogpost, or link something of you ?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> just minefieled
[23:21] <mzz> benste: shrug, I don't mind either way
[23:21] <maco> i have the "icon not found" icon in kubuntu
[23:21] <mzz> benste: I don't have a pretty site for people to link to currently
[23:22]  * mzz needs to grow one of those
[23:22] <AaronMT> Is the 9.10rc out?
[23:22] <brian_> is there any advantage or anythin  differant between the beta thats been upgraded or the rc that was realesed today
[23:22] <BUGabundo> AaronMT: yes
[23:22] <AaronMT> url?
[23:22] <benste> mzz: that's like me, I just use an odd blogger template writing there for fun but my friend made me to write english and register to ubuntuwebblogs.org :-)
[23:22] <AaronMT> found it
[23:23] <benste> mzz: so if you don't like, I just thank you here for the great chat which lets a t least flow away this error
[23:23] <benste> mzz have a good night if you're in CET like me
[23:23] <mzz> that I am
[23:23] <benste> :-)
[23:23] <benste> so it's late for you too
[23:24] <benste> mzz - you're not from germany ?
[23:24] <brian_> is there any reason to do a fresh install of the RC or just update
[23:24] <benste> brian_: from 9.04 or from BEta ?
[23:24] <lamalex> anyoen able to play dvds on karmic?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> !rc
[23:24] <benste> lamalex: you need to install w32codecs and libdvdcss2 which is in medibuntu
[23:24] <BUGabundo> !daily | AaronMT
[23:25] <BUGabundo> humm wait
[23:25] <BUGabundo> releases.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <BUGabundo> that's it
[23:25] <AaronMT> I already found it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/rc/
[23:26] <brian_> benste, from the beta
[23:26] <lamalex> benste: i have libdvdcss2 (you dont need medibuntu, i dont know why everyone thinks you do)
[23:26] <wgb> Any reason why my Ubuntu 9.10 RC alternate install should hang at 26% under "Finishing Installation" when it's creating userdirectories etc.
[23:26] <benste> !medibuntu | lamalex
[23:26] <lamalex> i know what medibuntu /is/
[23:26] <benste> I didn't know that you knwo :-)
[23:26] <lamalex> but you dont need it for libdvdcss
[23:27] <benste> lamalex: thought this would be for copy protetion - I've installed those and DVDs are working now
[23:27] <AaronMT> I'm getting 8mb/sec off this link http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[23:27] <lamalex> benste: i think there's a bug in the vlc package
[23:27] <AaronMT> mit ftw
[23:27] <benste> brian_: there are about 3 updates or so between beta and RC, so I guess no need for full install
[23:27] <benste> lamalex: y ?
[23:27] <benste> why ?
[23:28] <benste> lamalex: VLC is working fine with DVD for me too - but I prefer to use gxine
[23:28] <Jeruvy> AaronMT: you should use a bittorrent client for speed.
[23:28] <benste> only totem seems to have some problems rendering the image of the video
[23:28] <AaronMT> Jeruvy: Too many leechers
[23:29] <benste> lamalex: but I'll leave now - in my opnione just install those three packages (3rd is restricted-nonfree) and you'll be don
[23:29] <benste> ew
[23:29] <robotti^> me need help
[23:29] <robotti^> :D
[23:29] <benste> Good Night everybody
[23:29] <robotti^> good night
[23:29] <benste> !robotti^ | benste
[23:30] <benste> !robotti | benste
[23:30] <benste> :-)
[23:31] <robotti^> hah
[23:31] <robotti^> benste: :D
[23:32] <robotti^> I do not have wireless networking on Karmic Koala
[23:32] <Varth> I'm trying to update to the RC from the beta, and it's failing because it's 404-ing on some of the packages. Is anyone else having this problem?
[23:32] <MightyTweek> Varth: try a different mirror
[23:32] <robotti^> maybe I should download that latest rc
[23:33] <robotti^> should I use 64-bit or 32-bit karmik koala?
[23:33] <robotti^> on my macbook?
[23:33] <TDJACR> robotti^: 64
[23:33] <robotti^> thank you
[23:33] <TDJACR> No problemm
[23:34] <robotti^> only thinking, because I am not sure about restricted drivers
[23:34] <BUGabundo> robotti^: how much ram?
[23:34] <robotti^> 2g. But planning to expanding to 4
[23:35] <robotti^> I have now installed snow leopard, I have also installed Karmic Koala beta. Networking does not work.
[23:35] <robotti^> on karmic koala
[23:35] <BUGabundo> robotti^: go with 64bits then
[23:36] <mzz> huh, my virtualbox shared folders won't mount ("protocol error", guest and host both karmic). Anyone seen that?
[23:37] <Cynthia> I'm trying to find a bug report related to this Totem bug I have, but can't think of the right words to look for. Basically, Totem, 2 files in playlist, start playing both, and it stops at 0:00 on the second file, refusing to play. Any ideas, or confirmations of this bug?
[23:37] <Barridus> hey all, anyone might have a clue as to why grub2 or w/e no longer counts down and boots ubuntu by default (the other os is xp), it just sits at grub waiting for me to pick one ever since some updates i think
[23:39] <mzz> argh, that's just bizarre
[23:40] <mzz> apparently something expands "mount -t vboxsf blah /mnt" to "mount -t vboxsf /home/me/blah /mnt" because my current working dir is /home/me and it has a blah folder
[23:49] <u-foka> Hy! Anyone has the issue that totem plays video files when opened with it's open dialog, but freezes when opened from the players command line (from nautilus for ex)
[23:52] <Kajros> i am currently having issues with Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 beta loading.  When I try to run it from a live usb it gets to the loading screen and after about a minute gooes to a black screen saying something about Fatal module error.  What may be the problem?
[23:58] <wirechief> Kajros does it pass the integrity check ? of the media ?
[23:58] <mzz> u-foka: I've had it freeze when opening a second video file without restarting totem (but I can't really reproduce it at will)
[23:59] <mzz> u-foka: I'll try its file/open instead of nautilus to see if that makes a difference
[23:59] <robotti^> are there mac users?