| robert_ancell | TheMuso, is there a way to search the archive for packages that provide files in a given directory? I want to see what packages but files in /usr/lib/deskbar-applet. packages.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be able to do this | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: apt-file | 01:20 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: i.e apt-file is the package that will help you find files in packages that you don't have installed. | 01:20 |
| robert_ancell_ | kenvandine, hey, how much do you know about pkg-config? Can you look at bug 455614 and see if you can tell why someone would modify .pc dependencies? | 03:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 455614 in libsm "don't mess with the pc file" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455614 | 03:57 |
| === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell | ||
| al-maisan | Good morning | 06:49 |
| === ara_ is now known as ara | ||
| didrocks | hello al-maisan | 07:09 |
| al-maisan | hola didrocks :) | 07:09 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:43 |
| didrocks | hi pitti | 07:58 |
| huats | morning everyone | 08:32 |
| slomo | MacSlow: ping? :) | 08:48 |
| MacSlow | slomo, ja? | 08:48 |
| slomo | MacSlow: hi, you know cairo well, and i saw some interesting font rendering from you iirc... what's the best and fastest way to draw only the outline of text, best when using pango? :) | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey slomo | 08:50 |
| slomo | hi seb128 | 08:50 |
| seb128 | slomo, thanks for the quick gst fix! | 08:50 |
| slomo | seb128: np :) are your non-ac3 dvds working too now btw? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, I didn't try again but I will do that later today and let you know | 08:52 |
| seb128 | but looking on the bug seems it was on good track and somebody else was able to test | 08:52 |
| slomo | seb128: yes, but it's not optimal yet... it "should" work :) | 08:52 |
| MacSlow | slomo, do pango_cairo_layout_path() ... then cairo_stoke() it | 08:53 |
| seb128 | slomo, bug #450946 is the sort of bugs you are interested to look at too? | 08:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 450946 in totem "requires a restart to use the newly installed codecs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450946 | 08:54 |
| slomo | MacSlow: that's what i'm doing now, unfortunately it's very slow compared to pango_cairo_show_layout()... because pango_cairo_show_layout() does all kinds of caching and stuff that gets lost when rendering the font to a cairo path | 08:55 |
| slomo | MacSlow: cairo developers said to use user fonts, unfortunately pango doesn't support them yet... so i thought you might know some pango trick to do it faster for now :) | 08:56 |
| MacSlow | slomo, you just ask how to do it... not how to make it fast :) | 08:57 |
| MacSlow | slomo, also I don't know what you rendering requirements are (fps, fill-rate limits etc.) | 08:58 |
| slomo | MacSlow: ok, sorry :) so you don't have a better idea either? the final goal is to draw white text with black outline | 08:58 |
| mvo | hey slomo - seb128 asked yesterday about the stability of fludendo-mp3 compared to the other one | 08:58 |
| slomo | MacSlow: well, just drawing the outline shouldn't take 60% of all processing time (the 30% include creating a much larger test screen, drawing the normal text, putting a shaded box around it, ...) :) | 08:59 |
| MacSlow | slomo, approximate it (but will not look as good)... draw with pango_cairo_show_layout() in black... decrease the size.. draw again with pango_cairo_show_layout() in white | 09:00 |
| slomo | mvo: it's worse but has a better license (GPL vs. BSD or MIT) | 09:00 |
| MacSlow | slomo, how much text do you have to draw and at what frame-rate? | 09:00 |
| slomo | MacSlow: ok, i guess i have to do that then... and think about how much i should increase the text size. would you change the text size with cairo (cairo_scale) or with pango? | 09:01 |
| slomo | MacSlow: subtitles on video, so any framerate and a bit text | 09:01 |
| MacSlow | slomo, hm... I'd say you should certainly surface-buffer the text you draw... meaning draw it once to a surface-buffer... reuse that as long as the text doesn't change... and only re-render text tothe surface-buffer if new text needs to be displayed | 09:05 |
| MacSlow | slomo, I hope you don't call pango_cairo_layout_path() every frame :) | 09:06 |
| slomo | MacSlow: no, only everytime it changes of course :) my testcase was a bad choice here because the text changes every frame probably ;) | 09:07 |
| mvo | slomo: thanks, we fixed it recently to have the g-s-t meta-data and now it shows up in the codec installer. but it also sets it self as default if multiple ones are installed. is that safe/sane? or should we instead lower its priority or break it again to not show up at all? | 09:07 |
| MacSlow | slomo, you should certainly use surface-buffering... I don't expect subtitle-text to change every 1/24 th of a second :) | 09:08 |
| slomo | mvo: i don't know, depends on your needs i guess :) | 09:08 |
| mvo | need: no-crashes ;) | 09:09 |
| mvo | but thanks for the info I will think about it a bit and discuss with seb128 | 09:09 |
| MacSlow | slomo, surface-buffering you certainly will need to do for optimizatino reasons anyway | 09:09 |
| slomo | mvo: then better use the mad one, it's tested more ;) the only advantage of the fluendo one really is the license (or if you bought it from fluendo the patent license) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | slomo, well, it's basically "what should user get when clicking on a mp3" | 09:10 |
| seb128 | slomo, ok, that's what I though too, it's late for a such change now | 09:10 |
| seb128 | there is a g-c-i bug there | 09:10 |
| slomo | MacSlow: as said, i do surface buffering :) it's only my testcase that has changing text every buffer (drawing the current time) | 09:11 |
| seb128 | it shouldn't install 3 decoders for the same same thing | 09:11 |
| seb128 | ie for a mp3 is installs the mad, fluendo and ffmpeg binaries | 09:11 |
| slomo | yes, it should only select the one with the highest priority and let users choose to install the others and not the one with the highest priority | 09:11 |
| MacSlow | slomo, ok... then you should not have an issue using pango_cairo_layout_path() and cairo_stroke() | 09:13 |
| MacSlow | slomo, actually guess you would want to do pango_cairo_layout_path()... cairo_fill_preserve() in white and then cairo_stroke() in black | 09:14 |
| slomo | MacSlow: for subtitles it's no problem, yes, but for text that changes every frame it is. that's what i'm trying to explain :) and i really don't want pango_cairo_layout_path(), fill_preserve + stroke... it's slower than show_layout() + layout_path() + stroke | 09:16 |
| slomo | MacSlow: see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598695 for the context | 09:16 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 598695 in gst-plugins-base "[timeoverlay] use much CPU ressource compare to previous version" [Normal,New] | 09:16 |
| MacSlow | slomo, only solution is a real OpenGL-backend for cairo if you need heavy-duty text-rendering with cairo | 09:17 |
| MacSlow | slomo, if you can live with only the typical western set of ASCII characters you could do a "texture-map" character lookup and use that | 09:19 |
| MacSlow | slomo, but that would kill all unicode-sexiness | 09:19 |
| MacSlow | but that would be fast as hell | 09:19 |
| mvo | mac_v: thanks for testing the synaptic ppa version - what card are you using when the problem appears? I wonder if its driver dependant. i get about ~8% or so xorg cpu, nothing abnormal high | 09:23 |
| mvo | with nvidia | 09:23 |
| mvo | mac_v: is it a intel card/driver as well? | 09:30 |
| mac_v | mvo: ATI x1400 | 09:31 |
| asac | kenvandine: let me know | 09:33 |
| asac | luckily bindwood wasnt put in main ;) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, hey, any clue about bug #438664? | 09:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 438664 in empathy "empathy should use same status icons like fast-user-switching applet" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438664 | 09:49 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, not sure if using different icons in the session menu is a design choice | 09:49 |
| davidbarth | seb128: we're using icons provided explicitely for this menu; the integration of these icons in IM apps was not defined in a way or another | 09:50 |
| seb128 | ok, not sure what to do with the bug | 09:51 |
| seb128 | is something you want to consider? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | should somebody be subscribed to comment on it? | 09:52 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: did you run the last po2xpi run yet? | 09:56 |
| asac | or is export running atm? | 09:57 |
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| pitti | BBL, need to repair a friend's jaunty server | 10:26 |
| asac | pitti: before you leave ... did the last langpack run already happen or is export still running? | 10:26 |
| asac | (sorry) | 10:26 |
| andreasn | mpt: do you think the changes to the button-have-icons and menus-have-icons should be mentioned in the Ubuntu Karmic release notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/HumanReleaseNotes | 10:57 |
| andreasn | mpt: thanks for the notice about my blog being blocked btw, seems I had a really old wordpress install, so it got hacked | 10:58 |
| * mpt wonders why that URL has "Human" in it | 10:59 | |
| mpt | andreasn, I think that would be a good idea | 11:00 |
| andreasn | who do I ask for that? | 11:00 |
| mpt | andreasn, it's a wiki page ;-) | 11:00 |
| andreasn | well, I don't want anyone to slap my fingers... ;) | 11:01 |
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| asac | kenvandine: i pushed the gwibber threading changes i had | 11:06 |
| asac | kenvandine: we just got rid of all threads, but the worker thread | 11:06 |
| asac | think should be all clean now ... though you cannot say for sure ;) | 11:06 |
| asac | gwibber is always good for surprises | 11:07 |
| asac | i found a dead function in frontend code that also starts a thread .... havent removed it, but it should definitly go away | 11:07 |
| pitti | asac: back | 11:07 |
| pitti | asac: I think it's scheduled for today 2200 UTC (finish) | 11:07 |
| pitti | asac: so I'll start building them tomorrow | 11:08 |
| asac | great | 11:09 |
| asac | pitti: does arne do a test run before uploading? | 11:10 |
| pitti | asac: ArneGoetje is off sick, I'll do them | 11:10 |
| pitti | asac: I usually do a local build of the German before | 11:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, I though we agreed to standard language to try was french? ;-) | 11:12 |
| andreasn | mpt: looks sane now? | 11:12 |
| asac | ok. all ok then. | 11:13 |
| mpt | andreasn, yep, thanks | 11:13 |
| andreasn | pretty much copied the notes from gnome 2.28 release notes and changed some wording | 11:13 |
| asac | is there some files system option that would prevent flock from working? | 11:14 |
| mpt | andreasn, though once again we're suffering from a problem that we don't know who the target audience is for the release notes | 11:19 |
| mpt | ivanka, we should figure that out one day | 11:19 |
| ivanka | mpt: yes, indeed | 11:20 |
| rodrigo_ | is gwibber supposed to send replies to facebook messages? because it doesn't seem to work at all for me | 11:35 |
| czajkowski | rodrigo_: only if you have it set up to do so in the settings | 11:39 |
| rodrigo_ | czajkowski: I have | 11:39 |
| rodrigo_ | it just fails silently, I write the reply, press ENTER, and wait, but my reply never shows up | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | rodrigo_: check if it shows up in fb | 11:40 |
| czajkowski | rodrigo_: ah ok I've mine set not to reply to fb, ohnly post otherwise would be noisey | 11:40 |
| rodrigo_ | davmor2: it doesn't | 11:41 |
| rodrigo_ | czajkowski: hmm, I only have 'Receive' and 'Send', no 'post/reply' | 11:41 |
| rodrigo_ | maybe I'm using an old version... | 11:42 |
| pitti | asac: we just tried to configure a manual eth connection here (no DHCP); I added a new connection type, but that won't actually appear in nm-applet's dropdown list | 11:42 |
| pitti | asac: I'll just file a bug now, unless you say that's already known? | 11:42 |
| pitti | (I didn't quite find a related one) | 11:42 |
| asac | not known | 11:42 |
| asac | i tested various options and didnt get any such feedback | 11:42 |
| asac | pitti: what does "i added a new conneciton type" mean? | 11:43 |
| pitti | asac: s/type// | 11:43 |
| asac | yeah | 11:43 |
| asac | pitti: killall nm-applet -> nm-applet -> appears? | 11:43 |
| pitti | asac: connection editor -> edit connections -> cable -> add -> add a static one | 11:43 |
| pitti | asac: lemme try | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | pitti: jockey is showing my nvidia gfx anf bcm wifi on live cd but on installed system I get nothing displayed says there are no drivers for this system. | 11:43 |
| pitti | asac: confirmed, it's there now | 11:46 |
| pitti | and even working | 11:46 |
| pitti | asac: want a bug report for that? | 11:46 |
| asac | pitti: please file a bug, yes | 11:47 |
| asac | there is something racy | 11:47 |
| asac | i always ha the suspicion there is | 11:47 |
| Laney | \# | 11:48 |
| asac | could also be a glib-dbus bug (e.g. signal not delivered) | 11:48 |
| pitti | bbl | 11:55 |
| kenvandine | asac, which function? | 12:16 |
| asac | kenvandine: on_oldsearch | 12:17 |
| kenvandine | thx | 12:17 |
| asac | or something. ... that spawns a thread ... the whole code of this should go away imo | 12:17 |
| asac | if its used we want to see that ... as we definitly dont want to run a thread like that ;) | 12:18 |
| asac | but i couldnt find any call to on_old_search | 12:18 |
| asac | kenvandine: maybe just check if thats still used. i can remove the parts then. | 12:18 |
| asac | not sure with all the other on_ ... functions | 12:18 |
| asac | maybe those should be reviewed too | 12:18 |
| asac | guess not for karmic both though | 12:19 |
| cassidy | seb128, about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593086 which LP bug attached the log file? | 12:20 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 593086 in General "empathy crashed with SIGABRT in empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message" [Major,New] | 12:20 |
| asac | kenvandine: i was too dump to figure out where the hell the image tags/css are set | 12:20 |
| asac | i didnt look for long | 12:20 |
| asac | but thats a nasty thing | 12:20 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 12:21 |
| asac | imo it should just use the http:// urls | 12:21 |
| asac | and let webkit do the caching | 12:21 |
| asac | unless webkit doesnt have a cache on its own of course | 12:21 |
| asac | but then i couldnt find anything related to those images | 12:21 |
| asac | the image cache definitly isnt used anymore ;) | 12:21 |
| asac | i removed all images in there and it stays empty | 12:21 |
| seb128 | cassidy, bug #408530 | 12:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408530 | 12:22 |
| seb128 | cassidy, it the bug which has been original forwarded and is listed in the first bugzilla comment | 12:22 |
| asac | kenvandine: what i found was ./gwibber/microblog/identica.py: self.image = user["profile_image_url"] | 12:22 |
| asac | kenvandine: but thats not set anywhere | 12:22 |
| cassidy | seb128, thanks | 12:23 |
| seb128 | cassidy, you're welcome | 12:23 |
| kenvandine | asac, that might be the old code which isn't used anymore | 12:24 |
| asac | yes. i get the feeling that half of the code is old ;) | 12:24 |
| asac | kenvandine: but what code is used? does it use a custom url handler? | 12:25 |
| asac | or just webkit ? | 12:25 |
| asac | i dumped the html snippet for message to the terminal and it didnt have any sign of a image | 12:25 |
| asac | then i stopped looking as i clearly don't understand whats done there ;) | 12:25 |
| Ng | are you guys going to be pushing any more gwibber fixes into karmic? :) | 12:29 |
| asac | Ng: please test trunk | 12:31 |
| asac | Ng: bzr branch lp:gwibber; cd gwibber; (stop gwibber UI); killall gwibber-daemon; ./bin/gwibber-daemon + ./bin/gwibber | 12:31 |
| asac | Ng: not sure what your issues are though ;) | 12:32 |
| asac | kenvandine: btw, you can now ctrl+c gwibber-daemon ;) | 12:33 |
| asac | let me check the quit thing now | 12:34 |
| Ng | asac: bug #383759 is the most immediately annoying bug I have atm :) | 12:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383759 in gwibber "bug with font size as int" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383759 | 12:34 |
| asac | Ng: no hangs of daemon? | 12:35 |
| asac | Ng: ok that can be taken | 12:35 |
| Ng | asac: I have been seeing hangs, but this one stops the UI from starting | 12:35 |
| Ng | asac: \o/ | 12:37 |
| asac | Ng: stops the UI? | 12:37 |
| asac | wow | 12:37 |
| asac | does that throw an exception? | 12:37 |
| Ng | yeah, I just added a comment to the bug with the traceback | 12:38 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| Ng | asac: I'm running trunk now, will leave it going and see how it goes :) | 12:39 |
| asac | Ng: where do you set that font size ... in gnome? | 12:40 |
| asac | just wonder if they get a similar problem if you onfigure font size like 12.2px ;) | 12:41 |
| asac | rather than point | 12:41 |
| Ng | asac: yeah, in gnome, so it's a point size. you just type in the size rather than select one from the list | 12:41 |
| asac | hmm | 12:42 |
| asac | so most likely pixel sized font sizes will make this choke too ;) | 12:42 |
| asac | anyway this one should be good | 12:42 |
| asac | for its part of the bug | 12:42 |
| Ng | are pixel sized font sizes legal in a fontconfig world? | 12:43 |
| Ng | I have no idea how one would configure gnome to use such a thing ;) | 12:44 |
| asac | Ng: committed | 12:45 |
| Ng | asac: sweet, thanks | 12:45 |
| asac | i will check that noww with px | 12:45 |
| Ng | now I just have to persuade MacSlow|lunch to love floating point font sizes in notify-osd :D | 12:46 |
| asac | Ng: i have this /apps/gwibber/preferences/default_font | 12:47 |
| asac | in gconf-editor | 12:47 |
| asac | is that the font in question? | 12:47 |
| MacSlow|lunch | Ng, I've some local fixes partly based on your branch | 12:47 |
| asac | hmm. how broken is notify-osd with font sizes? | 12:48 |
| asac | just does "rounding" ... or fails completely? | 12:48 |
| MacSlow|lunch | asac, can get tiny... but does not crash or anything like that | 12:48 |
| MacSlow|lunch | asac, but I've to put the change to thorough testing and need to talk to davidbarth too | 12:49 |
| asac | MacSlow|lunch: tiny like "rounding" ... or "nulling out"? | 12:51 |
| asac | just curious | 12:51 |
| Ng | asac: I think it relates to /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name | 12:57 |
| Ng | MacSlow|lunch: I appreciate it :) | 12:58 |
| Ng | asac: rouding, I think it parses 6.5 as 5 | 12:58 |
| asac | as 5 | 12:58 |
| asac | ok | 12:58 |
| Ng | but I suck at coding, so I could have read that wrong | 12:58 |
| asac | Ng: it splits by . and uses the second particle? | 12:58 |
| Ng | asac: I'm not sure, I didn't pay too much attention because my position is that the parsing is unnecessary, but like I said, I suck at coding. The clue being that I'm not paid to write code and you guys are ;) | 13:00 |
| asac | Ng: ok. but it parses? | 13:02 |
| Ng | asac: yeah | 13:02 |
| asac | kenvandine: isnt the idea that if you quit gwibber, it usually still runs in background and spits out notifications/indicator stuff? | 13:03 |
| asac | just wondered if the -quit is really what we want | 13:03 |
| asac | Ng: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299006/ | 13:10 |
| asac | thats with 13.333px set manually in gconf | 13:10 |
| asac | /gnome/interface/font_name == Sans 13.333px | 13:11 |
| asac | ok guess this needs more fixage | 13:11 |
| Ng | asac: is that a legal value for font_name? | 13:12 |
| Ng | there seems to be a bit of a lack of exact specification around this stuff, but AIUI they're basically just strings that pango can parse | 13:12 |
| asac | yes | 13:14 |
| asac | Ng: font_name is just a pango_description | 13:15 |
| asac | Ng: try to change it ... your font on desktop should adjust ... some apps are buggy, but all apps usually start | 13:15 |
| asac | let me check what websettings can accept for values | 13:16 |
| asac | unfortunately there is nowhere a real api doc for webkit ... at least not in my search engine horizon | 13:16 |
| * asac getting source | 13:16 | |
| asac | ok webkit has default-font-size really as an integer for point sizes only | 13:20 |
| james_w | "Martin Pitt is the heart and sole of the desktop team." <- I don't find Martin leathery at all | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | asac, that was the original idea, but there have been complaints about there not being a way to quit the daemon at all | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | and people keep saying that should be wired up to the client quit | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | we need to think that through in the UI for lucid | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | for example, people don't want to be able to hide notifications | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | i was thinking that would be cool to do if you set your IM status to away or busy | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | something like that | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | and make it configurable | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | so then to make it "quieter" you just set to busy or away | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | asac, but just an idea | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | asac, so my quit branch makes the quit button and quit menu item quit the backend as well, but closing the window doesn't | 13:30 |
| asac | kenvandine: how about adding that to the indicator ;) | 13:31 |
| kenvandine | quit? | 13:31 |
| asac | yeah | 13:31 |
| asac | ;)( | 13:31 |
| kenvandine | i bet there would be resistance to that :) | 13:32 |
| asac | hehe | 13:32 |
| asac | yeah. i think configuration would be good | 13:32 |
| asac | not sure how to best stop gwibber daemon | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | asac, anyway, that is a situation we need to give some thought too | 13:32 |
| asac | if they dont want it to be in indicator it probably needs to be in tray | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | asac, on my list for the next refactoring :) | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | and easier now that i understand what interests are in the indicator | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | asac, so interesting observation with your threading fixes | 13:33 |
| kenvandine | ordering is whacky for multiple services | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | for example i have a facebook post that says 11h ago, followed by a flickr image 6d ago followed by a dent 2h ago | 13:34 |
| asac | really | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | and i confirmed that didn't happen in r467 | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | asac, it looks like everything from the same service is in the correct order | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | but intermingling them isn't right | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | like all my dents are in the right order but not properly aligned with tweets and suck | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | such | 13:36 |
| asac | kenvandine: sureits a regression? i dont see it in my messages | 13:36 |
| asac | have twitter/facebook and idnetica | 13:36 |
| asac | all properly ordered | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | most noticable with flickr since those aren't posted often | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | asac, no i just reverted to r467 and they ordered properly | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | updated again and they are out of whack again | 13:37 |
| asac | thats the last one? | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | with your curl fixes | 13:37 |
| asac | kenvandine: you reverted all? | 13:37 |
| asac | hmm | 13:37 |
| asac | thought just one commit | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | my dents, tweets, and facebook are all nearly in sync but looking closely i see they aren't ordered right | 13:38 |
| asac | i mean ... i cannot think of why reall yold stuff should be different | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | i wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for this whacky flickr feed | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | the recent tweets, fb, and dents are wrong too i just wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for flickr | 13:38 |
| asac | hmm. my order is a strict order | 13:38 |
| asac | just went through all i see | 13:38 |
| asac | nothing goes back | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | weird | 13:38 |
| asac | kenvandine: can you just revert the lightweight OperationManager commit? | 13:39 |
| asac | sorry | 13:39 |
| asac | operationhandler | 13:39 |
| asac | 471 | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | no worries | 13:39 |
| * kenvandine does it | 13:39 | |
| kenvandine | asac, oh this might be noteworthy | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | i do have one message getting dropped for a bad time | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | Dropping message with bad time attribute: {'username': 'Ken VanDine', 'account': <gwibber.config.Account instance at 0x992b8ac>, 'client': <gwibber.microblog.facebook.Client instance at 0x992b6ec>, 'protocol': 'facebook'} | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | Traceback (most recent call last): | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | File "/home/ken/src/gwibber/gwibber/microblog/facebook.py", line 39, in __init__ | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | sender = profiles[data["actor_id"]] | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | KeyError: '41911143546' | 13:40 |
| asac | def get_messages(self, filters, count): data = list(self.filter_messages(filters)) data.sort(key=operator.itemgetter("time"), reverse=True) if count == 0: return {"count": len(data), "total": len(data), "messages": data} else: return {"count": count, "total": len(data), "messages": data[:count]} | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | not sure if that could mess up the whole order | 13:41 |
| asac | thats the code for get_messages | 13:41 |
| asac | so its alaways sorted before sending over the wire | 13:41 |
| asac | maybe the timestamps are a bit off | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | that looks sane | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | i wonder if the client is doing anything weird | 13:41 |
| * kenvandine thinks there is way too much logic in the client | 13:42 | |
| asac | kenvandine: if not hasattr(message, "time"): | 13:43 |
| asac | print "Dropping message with bad time attribute:", message.__dict__ | 13:43 |
| asac | so does flickr set a time attribute? | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | it must | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | but the dropped one is flickr, and it looks like it has the time as the key | 13:44 |
| asac | kenvandine: i dont see the time in the dump from above | 13:44 |
| asac | kenvandine: does self.time = parse_time(data["dateupload"]) mean that its also there as self['time'] ? | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | no, that would be weird | 13:46 |
| asac | i dont see any place where "time" is set | 13:49 |
| asac | except one exception handler in microblog/__init | 13:49 |
| asac | which sets it to current time | 13:49 |
| asac | guess itemgetter is supposed to look at that field | 13:55 |
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| asac | kenvandine: can you dump all messages before the sorting? | 14:16 |
| asac | kenvandine: also try the last commit for the lightweight handler ... if thats enough | 14:17 |
| kenvandine | asac, i am doing something like that, it looks like the one without the time is nearly blank | 14:24 |
| kenvandine | like only my data | 14:24 |
| kenvandine | no message data | 14:24 |
| kenvandine | not even a sender | 14:24 |
| asac | kenvandine: in get_messages in init that message shouldnt be there | 14:26 |
| asac | would be interesting to dump all the messages send out there | 14:26 |
| asac | to see why the time sorting doesnt work | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | i will do that first | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | the traceback was bugging me :) | 14:27 |
| asac | what i could imagine is that there is a bogus time somewhere | 14:30 |
| asac | that can bust up the whole sorting if it breaks strict order properties | 14:30 |
| asac | and if thats the case the order how stuff gets inserted could make a difference | 14:33 |
| seb128 | re | 14:33 |
| seb128 | ok, empathy bug list cleaned now | 14:33 |
| asac | which probably happened by the idle_handler refactoring | 14:34 |
| rickspencer3 | asac, ccheney, kenvandine, pitti, Riddell, seb128 - what's the word on the street? | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3! | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | good morning | 14:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, nothing to signal there I would say | 14:39 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3, good morning | 14:39 |
| seb128 | things look good | 14:39 |
| pitti | all quiet here | 14:39 |
| pitti | except.. OMG!!! | 14:39 |
| rickspencer3 | quiet ... too quiet | 14:39 |
| * rickspencer3 eerie music | 14:39 | |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, asac did some nice threading fixes to gwibber :) | 14:39 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, lol - just as you said that I was closing a gwibber apport window | 14:40 |
| asac | in mozilla we found out that we compile system sqlite with wrong flags :/ | 14:40 |
| rickspencer3 | arg, so need to rebuilt mozilla? is this a security issue? | 14:40 |
| asac | no i told them that we cant do that for release | 14:40 |
| asac | needs a carefuly SRU | 14:40 |
| rickspencer3 | grrr | 14:40 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/457791 | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 457791 in firefox "Build sqlite3 with SQLITE_SECURE_DELETE" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 14:40 |
| asac | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445164 | 14:41 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 445164 in Private Browsing "Private data not properly cleared from SQLite database" [Major,New] | 14:41 |
| asac | i dont feel comfortable to just pump that into our libsqlite without thorough testing. | 14:41 |
| asac | its not really breakage of functionality though | 14:41 |
| asac | "just" privacy concerns | 14:41 |
| seb128 | seems people there care about gwibber rather than karmic nowadays | 14:42 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | asac, it looks like replies might be messing up the ordering | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | at first glance of the data | 14:43 |
| * kenvandine needs more coffee.. bbiaf | 14:43 | |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: pleasingly good, we got some fresh faces for the ISO testing round and no problems found that we didn't already know | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, great news | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | good buzz in the blogosphere regarding Karmic Kubuntu | 14:47 |
| asac | kenvandine: replies have a differnt time format? | 14:53 |
| baptistemm | hello | 14:54 |
| asac | hi baptistemm | 14:54 |
| baptistemm | Hi asac | 14:54 |
| baptistemm | is there a way to remove piding from indicator-applet as I don't use it? | 14:54 |
| chrisccoulson | hi baptistemm | 14:54 |
| baptistemm | hi chrisccoulson | 14:54 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, disable the indicator option in pidgin or uninstall it | 14:55 |
| seb128 | hey baptistemm btw | 14:55 |
| baptistemm | heya | 14:55 |
| seb128 | or ask tedg | 14:55 |
| tedg | baptistemm: The command line way is "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist ; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/pidgin ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist" Long paths. | 14:57 |
| baptistemm | ah thanks :) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | tedg, do you have a stock reply for it yet? ;-) | 14:58 |
| tedg | seb128: heh, actually the first time I've been asked :) | 14:59 |
| baptistemm | I just doubt someone could use both but I'm certainly wrong | 14:59 |
| seb128 | I use both | 15:00 |
| baptistemm | I'd tend to think using one should remove the other :) | 15:00 |
| seb128 | or rather I try to use empathy but it annoys me I go back to pidgin | 15:00 |
| baptistemm | so I'm wrong | 15:00 |
| seb128 | +when | 15:00 |
| tedg | baptistemm: Yes, but the solution there is that we shouldn't INSTALL both. :) | 15:01 |
| seb128 | tedg, we don't | 15:01 |
| seb128 | tedg, we just don't uninstall on upgrade | 15:01 |
| tedg | seb128: Effectively we do as I'm sure most of our users are upgrades. | 15:01 |
| baptistemm | It is true I upgraded from the previous version | 15:01 |
| baptistemm | now empathy is the default client? | 15:01 |
| kenvandine | asac, no but looking at the list those are the ones out of order | 15:02 |
| kenvandine | after the sort | 15:02 |
| kenvandine | which is very weird | 15:02 |
| seb128 | tedg, we should ask users to reinstall, less upgrade issues ;-) | 15:02 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, yes | 15:02 |
| kenvandine | debugging something else now... will get back to it | 15:02 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#GNOME :) | 15:02 |
| asac | kenvandine: do you have a dump of the messages you culd paste? | 15:02 |
| kenvandine | asac, yeah but it is huge | 15:02 |
| kenvandine | hang on | 15:02 |
| tedg | seb128: Hmm, I'm thinking that if you get that policy past mvo will buy you a cookie :) | 15:03 |
| baptistemm | thanks | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i reinstalled this cycle | 15:03 |
| mvo | two cookies and a banana | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | but i normally upgrade | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | i upgraded through 4 releases without a reinstall:) | 15:04 |
| asac | pitti: is karmic-proposed open for pocket copy already? when do we xpect that to happen? | 15:05 |
| mvo | my old laptop is upgraded all the way from warty to hardy - then intel came along and rewrote the x driver so hard that the good old i830 is a pain on anything newer than hardy | 15:05 |
| pitti | asac: it's open for uploads (unapproved), but you can't actually put anything into it yet (thus no pocket copying) | 15:06 |
| pitti | asac: it will open after final release | 15:06 |
| asac | hmm ok | 15:06 |
| asac | thx | 15:07 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I should try once the pitti's way | 15:08 |
| seb128 | reinstalling while keeping the user dir | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | asac, gonna email it... firefox is hosed here | 15:08 |
| asac | oh | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | i think bindwood is making it hang | 15:08 |
| asac | dont tell me that ;) | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | that is what i am looking at now :) | 15:08 |
| pitti | I do that several times per release | 15:08 |
| asac | kenvandine: with the new bug fixes? | 15:08 |
| seb128 | I never dir I don't trust the thing to not wipe my datas | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | yes | 15:08 |
| seb128 | I need to do backups of everything before trying | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | asac, new bug fixes make it not screw up your bookmarks :) | 15:08 |
| pitti | seb128: I have a separate /home, but reinstalling with not wiping data works well, too | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | but is making it hang | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | asac, so the time issue in gwibber | 15:09 |
| pitti | seb128: you just need to ensure to do manual partitioning and _not_ format the root partition | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | it is somehow client related | 15:09 |
| asac | good | 15:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, that they say! I read too many bugs to ignore that software can behave strangly sometime for one user ;-) | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | still pasting... | 15:09 |
| asac | thx | 15:09 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - my karmic install was a fresh install but keeping my old /home | 15:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't know what you are talking about :) | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | asac, so when changing views in the client, it is changing the time | 15:09 |
| chrisccoulson | but i did have a backup of /home in case the install erased it ;) | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | and they aren't all the same format | 15:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, jedi wave, *there is no such things as bugs in ubuntu* | 15:10 |
| baptistemm | I wish t reinstall my laptop to have ext4 | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | so on first run, when the messages are put together the times are right and the order is correct | 15:10 |
| pitti | seb128: but a backup is a good idea either way; HDs suck | 15:10 |
| seb128 | right | 15:10 |
| baptistemm | does grub2 is installed for new installation in karmic? | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | asac, but then if you switch views a couple times the backend sees the times like this | 15:10 |
| * pitti hugs rsnapshot | 15:10 | |
| pitti | baptistemm: yes | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | 1256197865 | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | 1256080120.0 | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | 2009-10-16 22:19:35.00 | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | asac, i added a for look in get_messages that prints message["time"] | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | when get_messages gets run the first time they are all right | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | then when i click around in the UI, get_messages gets called again and the time formats vary | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | so look at populate_view and update_view in client.py | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | see what they are doing to it | 15:12 |
| * kenvandine goes back to bindwood and u1 folks | 15:12 | |
| asac | kenvandine: you sure only on client side? | 15:12 |
| asac | kenvandine: yes. go back | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | yeah... well clicking around in the client changes the message_store i guess | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | like changing the times, no idea why it would do that | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | i doubt the client itself is changing the times, but it is calling some method that is doing bad things :) | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | email coming your way now | 15:14 |
| baptistemm | pitti, why does rsnapshot depends on openssh-server? | 15:15 |
| pitti | baptistemm: it recommends it, I guess because it's meant to do pull-style backups from clients | 15:15 |
| pitti | I don't use it that way, though; I rsnapshot locally into /var/backups/, and rsync that to my server in a cron job | 15:16 |
| baptistemm | apt-get wants me to install openssh-server :) | 15:16 |
| pitti | baptistemm: --no-install-recommends | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | you don't already have openssh-server installed? | 15:17 |
| chrisccoulson | that's the first thing i install on a fresh install | 15:17 |
| pitti | me too :) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | same here | 15:17 |
| baptistemm | I only have one computer | 15:18 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm - me too, but i can SSH from my G1 if things get really bad | 15:18 |
| chrisccoulson | and i also use SSH between virtual machines a lot as well | 15:19 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hah, thats's what I do as well (G1) | 15:19 |
| pitti | in the times when X used to freeze very often | 15:19 |
| baptistemm | I don't have G1 nor VM, I'm just a dumb user | 15:19 |
| pitti | also, I told my router to open port 22, so that people (or me) can access my box from outside | 15:19 |
| pitti | baptistemm: yes, nevermind; if you don't need it, don't install it | 15:20 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i don't open my router at the moment, but i used to | 15:20 |
| baptistemm | :) | 15:20 |
| chrisccoulson | it's amazing how many brute force attempts you get on port 22 ;) | 15:20 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yeah, for that reason I changed the default port on my server | 15:20 |
| baptistemm | yeah, my synology showed me that too | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | asac, i just sent you more informative output | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | daemon.log.bz2 | 15:20 |
| asac | kenvandine: email? thx | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i ran IPCop for years on an old PC, and that used to have 10-20 brute force attacks per day | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | you will notice there are more than one dumps of data | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | yes | 15:21 |
| asac | i will see ;) | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | and after each print of data, there are lines printing each time | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | so each time you see data printed is when i changed the view | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | in the client | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | you will see the times get screwy | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | like some of them are 18000.0 | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | but when it starts they are all nicely ordered :) | 15:22 |
| baptistemm | pitti, if you want to enhanced the rsnapshot package one's can uncomment "#cmd_cp /bin/cp" in the default configuration | 15:24 |
| baptistemm | I can look at it tonight | 15:25 |
| pitti | interesting | 15:25 |
| baptistemm | I want to setup proper backup | 15:25 |
| pitti | my home dir doesn't have any of those fancy things (pipes, etc.), though | 15:25 |
| pitti | we should enable that by default on our package, though | 15:25 |
| pitti | we know that we are on linux and have GNU cp, after all | 15:26 |
| pitti | (in debian) | 15:26 |
| baptistemm | yep | 15:26 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, flash player in firefox seems to be broken after last update | 15:27 |
| asac | kenvandine: ok. where exactly did you print those timestamps? | 15:28 |
| asac | just bzr diff will be enough i think so i can see what place you got those odd formatted things from | 15:28 |
| kenvandine | asac, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/299090/ | 15:29 |
| asac | ok so on backend side | 15:30 |
| asac | kenvandine: http://pastebin.com/f7825b5a4 | 15:33 |
| asac | though the 18000.0 feels like its coming from somewhere else | 15:34 |
| asac | maybe a bad time from some online service if we are lucky | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | asac, but that wasn't in there the first pass | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | and it worries me that there are multiple formats of dates | 15:35 |
| asac | kenvandine: i think flickr is really broken | 15:35 |
| asac | just tested it | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | oh | 15:35 |
| asac | mx.DateTime.DateTimeFrom(int(123123)).gmtime() | 15:35 |
| asac | <mx.DateTime.DateTime object for '1970-01-02 10:12:03.00' at b76016e8> | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | i see your diff | 15:35 |
| asac | and with ticks | 15:35 |
| asac | mx.DateTime.DateTimeFrom(int(123123)).gmtime().ticks() | 15:35 |
| asac | 119523.0 | 15:35 |
| asac | i am not sure if "t" is in ticks in the first place and if this needs normalization somehow | 15:36 |
| asac | but should be a good start | 15:36 |
| asac | maybe its even | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | it should be ticks | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | well going in i am not sure | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | but that is just in parse_time, should be used for display right? | 15:37 |
| asac | kenvandine: he other date function used is DateTimeFromTicks | 15:37 |
| asac | kenvandine: pares_time is used to set ["time"[ | 15:37 |
| asac | if its used elsewhere we can also do | 15:37 |
| asac | http://pastebin.com/f4b258313 | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | ok, well we assume ticks everywhere else | 15:38 |
| asac | good. so we should actually do | 15:38 |
| asac | http://pastebin.com/f7cf3cae | 15:38 |
| asac | kenvandine: ^ | 15:38 |
| asac | try that maybe | 15:38 |
| asac | if that gives you reasonable time displayed and proper sorting | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | i am | 15:39 |
| asac | good | 15:39 |
| asac | kenvandine: also the last one? e.g. with DateFromTicks? | 15:39 |
| * asac waits for a confirm before pushing | 15:40 | |
| kenvandine | i did that | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | works much better | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | and they all stay in order now and the times don't get tweaked | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | however... after changing the view the last 5 times printed are 18000.0 | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | and they are not from flickr | 15:42 |
| asac | kenvandine: can you find what backend that is? | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | i think we have one more place busted :) | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | looking | 15:43 |
| asac | pushed flickr (rev 473) | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | ah! | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | digg | 15:43 |
| * kenvandine looks at the code | 15:44 | |
| dobey | asac: hey | 15:46 |
| asac | digg uses some odd way ... probably should be done in same way | 15:46 |
| asac | not really looking, so if you see it fix it ;) | 15:46 |
| asac | dobey: hi | 15:47 |
| dobey | asac: any idea how one might determine why firefox doesn't have all my passwords in it that i told it to remember, and which used to be there and working fine in 3.0? | 15:47 |
| asac | dobey: first step is disabling all extensions to see if that breaks something | 15:47 |
| asac | if you have any extension besides from what we ship by default | 15:48 |
| asac | dobey: why do you think it doesnt remember? is it that it just doesnt fill the form or have you looked in the db to see they are not there? | 15:48 |
| asac | aka in preferences -> security -> saved passwords | 15:49 |
| dobey | all extensions are disabled | 15:49 |
| dobey | asac: it didn't fill in the form, and it wasn't in the saved passwords dialog | 15:49 |
| dobey | it was saved in 3.0, but now that i'm having to use 3.5, it's no longer there | 15:49 |
| asac | dobey: and if you save the password again it doesnt work? | 15:51 |
| asac | or just migration issue? | 15:51 |
| dobey | well i don't recall the password right now, so i can't just go save it again | 15:52 |
| dobey | which is why i saved it in the first place | 15:52 |
| asac | dobey: ok. so what i think happened is this: a) you installed firefox-3.5 in the past | 15:52 |
| asac | and kept on using 3.0 | 15:52 |
| asac | then you got asked when we made 3.5 default if you want to migrate your settings | 15:53 |
| dobey | well, karmic installed 3.5 in the past, and i saw it was not my desired experience, so i continued using 3.0 yes | 15:53 |
| asac | you either said yes or no ... but that doesnt matter. in case you added that password afterwards its in your firefox-3.0 profile | 15:53 |
| asac | because we didnt migrate another time | 15:53 |
| dobey | i never got asked if i wanted my settings migrated | 15:53 |
| dobey | there's a different profile? | 15:53 |
| asac | dobey: ls -l ~/.mozilla/ ... paste that please | 15:54 |
| asac | dobey: yes. 3.0 and 3.5 are different profiles. you definitly got asked if you installed firefox-3.5 before we made it the default | 15:54 |
| asac | but paste that | 15:54 |
| dobey | [dobey@lunatari:run-tree]: ls ~/.mozilla | 15:55 |
| dobey | appreg default/ extensions/ firefox/ mozver.dat plugins/ | 15:55 |
| asac | dobey: yeah. then you didn tuse ffox 3.5 before it was the default | 16:03 |
| asac | dobey: so that might be a bug from going back and forth | 16:03 |
| asac | the version | 16:03 |
| asac | dobey: you can check out the db directly to see if your password is in there | 16:03 |
| asac | signons.sqlite | 16:04 |
| asac | in profile | 16:04 |
| asac | dobey: open that file in sqlite3 and run select hostname from moz_logins; | 16:05 |
| asac | see if that hostname is there | 16:05 |
| asac | dobey: if not check if its in signons.txt | 16:05 |
| dobey | ok | 16:05 |
| asac | dobey: signons3.txt | 16:06 |
| asac | dobey: i what i would do is to backup your whole .mozilla profile and remove the .sqlite file from profile before starting | 16:06 |
| asac | most likely your passwords were added to signons3.txt in ffox 3 after you first ran ffox 3.5 which created the .sqlite from your signons3.txt at that time | 16:07 |
| dobey | ok | 16:07 |
| asac | so removing the sqlite will create it again with the latest | 16:07 |
| dobey | ok, removing the sqlite file seems to have fixed it | 16:11 |
| dobey | thanks | 16:11 |
| asac | np | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | asac, i just pushed the digg fix | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | digg and flickr have been broken for ages i guess, i think your sorting fixes brought it to the surface :) | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | well i mean your sort is better :) | 16:18 |
| asac | kenvandine: the threading fixes i guess ;) | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | yup | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | probably all for the better :) | 16:20 |
| asac | kenvandine: thanks. so we are good for a new release ... want to wait for one more daily run to get some feedback? | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | give me a few | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | looking at something | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | ok, i think it is good | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | asac, go for it | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | asac, how about merging the quit branch? | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | asac, opposed? | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | actually hold on, don't push anything yet maybe your threading fixes fixed my shutdown problem | 16:27 |
| asac | kenvandine: ctrl+c works now | 16:28 |
| asac | so most likeyl it works good | 16:28 |
| asac | kenvandine: i wasnt sure if we wnt to do the quit branch | 16:28 |
| asac | kenvandine: i think if we want to do that we should fix that using the window close thing | 16:28 |
| asac | we should go to tray rather than closing | 16:28 |
| asac | otherwise you wont get notifications if the ui is closd | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | no you will | 16:28 |
| asac | imo we can do that if you want | 16:28 |
| asac | kenvandine: huh? | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | closing the window doesn't kill the daemon | 16:29 |
| asac | gwibber-daemon isnt running if we close UI ... right? | 16:29 |
| asac | hmm | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | only quit does | 16:29 |
| asac | kenvandine: sure that we dont run through the same quit code? | 16:29 |
| asac | if so it looked fine. | 16:29 |
| * kenvandine looks again, but is certain he accounted for that | 16:29 | |
| asac | kenvandine: otoh, i think that all daemon bustage issues should be fixed now by threading. i think that the multithreading access to self.messages in the operation result handler was the painful thing that caused havoc | 16:30 |
| asac | anyway. if the quit thing isnt run on window close thats fine | 16:30 |
| asac | and something i would think we want | 16:30 |
| cytotoxic | !ops | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! | 16:44 |
| cytotoxic | !staff | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) | 16:44 |
| Hobbsee | sigh | 16:44 |
| Hobbsee | cytotoxic: what? | 16:44 |
| Amaranth | wow lag | 16:45 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: guy is going to every ubuntu channel calling for ops, trying to get klined | 16:45 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: yeah, i noticed after i asked. | 16:46 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: Expect him in devel and motu as well | 16:46 |
| Laney | already been in devel | 16:46 |
| Hobbsee | he already hit devel | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | and now -meeting | 16:47 |
| seb128 | cassidy, http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24524 | 16:48 |
| seb128 | cassidy, is there a GNOME bug about that? | 16:49 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 24524 in tp-glib "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Normal,Resolved: notourbug] | 16:49 |
| cassidy | seb128, don't think so; feel free to open one | 16:49 |
| seb128 | cassidy, ok thanks | 16:49 |
| Amaranth | hmm | 16:54 |
| Amaranth | launchpad is telling me I'm not allowed to see bug 458086 but I'm subscribed to it (getting bugmail) | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Bug 458086 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/458086 is private | 16:54 |
| chrisccoulson | Amaranth - i can't view it either | 16:55 |
| chrisccoulson | it's wierd that you're getting bug mail though | 16:55 |
| Amaranth | it actually has a compiz task open | 16:55 |
| james_w | are you subscribed to ubuntu-reviews@? | 16:57 |
| Bacteria | !ops | 16:57 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! | 16:57 |
| Amaranth | *sigh* | 16:57 |
| Amaranth | staying on this time | 16:57 |
| mvo | Amaranth: I can't see it | 16:57 |
| james_w | somebody unsubscribed ubuntu-bugcontrol from the bug | 16:58 |
| james_w | so you won't get any more mail | 16:58 |
| kenvandine | asac, so my quit code wasn't getting run on window close, but looking at that uncovered window visibilty toggling bugs | 16:58 |
| kenvandine | asac, i'll fix that | 16:58 |
| Amaranth | james_w: d'oh | 16:58 |
| kenvandine | asac, the on_window_close method wasn't connected to anything | 16:58 |
| james_w | and there is no compiz task | 16:58 |
| Amaranth | hrm, I thought bryce_ said he added one | 16:58 |
| Amaranth | I wonder why it is private anyway | 16:59 |
| james_w | it's not been retraced yet | 17:00 |
| pitti | retracers crash all the time these days due to LP timeouts | 17:07 |
| seb128 | mvo, do you have any gnome-app-install upload planned for karmic? | 17:07 |
| seb128 | bug #456757 | 17:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456757 in policykit-gnome "Missing .mo translations files into the (now in universe) policykit-gnome and gnome-app-install packages" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456757 | 17:07 |
| seb128 | they need rebuilds to not be stripped from the mo files | 17:07 |
| seb128 | since they moved to universe | 17:08 |
| mvo | seb128: no, but I can do that | 17:10 |
| seb128 | mvo, you could perhaps to a po update upload? | 17:10 |
| mvo | ok | 17:10 |
| seb128 | ie get a rosetta export and upload? | 17:10 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks ;-) | 17:10 |
| * mvo prepares the upload | 17:11 | |
| mvo | seb128: perfect task before going for dinner :) | 17:11 |
| seb128 | I guess that's the visible one, there is no reason to use polkit-gnome on karmic | 17:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, ;-) | 17:11 |
| pitti | seb128: at some point we should probably just remove all the old cruft (gnome-volume-manager, gnome-mount, policykit-gnome); but right now, blueman and gnome-lirc-properties still need them | 17:15 |
| pitti | uh, and libgksu-polkit0 (which should die along; we have pkexec) | 17:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, right | 17:16 |
| james_w | could I get a review of http://pastebin.ca/1637611 please? | 17:20 |
| pitti | james_w: from reading the diff it looks good to me (haven't actually tried it); thanks for working on this! | 17:32 |
| pitti | I'm a bit torn whether it's adequate for a post-RC update, though | 17:32 |
| james_w | yeah | 17:35 |
| james_w | I don't like it being this late | 17:35 |
| james_w | I've tried to minimise the changes and the impact as much as possible, but still... | 17:35 |
| pitti | james_w: btw, we'll break translations either way, due to how translation export -> rosetta -> langpacks work | 17:37 |
| pitti | but we can fix that in the first langpack SRU | 17:37 |
| pitti | with your careful patch they will at least immediately be imported into Rosetta | 17:38 |
| dpm | pitti, but if the translations would get imported before the langpack export tonight, it would be transparent, wouldn't it? | 17:39 |
| dpm | (for those languages there was a translation of the string for) | 17:39 |
| pitti | dpm: it starts at 2200 or finishes at 2200? | 17:39 |
| pitti | james_w: I think you should upload it to the queue, and I'll talk to slangasek | 17:39 |
| dpm | pitti, it starts at 22:00 IIRC, ArneGoetje^? | 17:40 |
| james_w | pitti: ok, I'll upload right now | 17:41 |
| james_w | thanks | 17:41 |
| james_w | and thank you dpm | 17:41 |
| pitti | dpm: ArneGoetje is off sick; but I think "starts" is correct | 17:41 |
| dpm | james_w, no worries, thank you for caring about translations :) | 17:41 |
| james_w | also, I checked ubuntu-docs and they already point to gnome-about-me for changing your own password | 17:42 |
| james_w | so I don't think this breaks that either | 17:42 |
| dpm | pitti, yeah, "start" (Arne was in for a bit today) -> <peteris> hi people, how long today translations will be accepted? | 17:43 |
| dpm | <ArneGoetje> peteris: shortly before 22:00 UTC | 17:43 |
| === davidbarth is now known as davidbarth-afk | ||
| rickspencer3 | has anyone tried USB creator lately? | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | seems someone ran into bug #458334 | 18:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 458334 in usb-creator "Fails repeatably with "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458334 | 18:06 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I'm using it all the time; last time was yesterday | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, good to hear | 18:06 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, works fine there too I used it yesterday | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks guys! | 18:09 |
| === jono is now known as crimsun | ||
| === crimsun is now known as jono | ||
| pitti | TheMuso: so do we need the keyboard bell for anything a11y related? | 18:28 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I assigned bug 388250 to you, you seem to work on it (all milestoned bugs need an assignee now, or need to become unmilestoned) | 18:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 388250 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gdk_x_error()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388250 | 18:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: did you see Steve's last reply about the dupe which has a trace? | 18:43 |
| pitti | kenvandine: bug 442120> is there a package being prepared? | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 442120 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442120 | 18:44 |
| mdz | is there a straightforward way to reset my panel to the default layout? | 18:45 |
| kenvandine | mdz, yeah, one sec | 18:45 |
| halfline | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel | 18:46 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks. i'm still waiting on more info from slangasek on that one | 18:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, ok; the bug looks like he's waiting on an answer from you | 18:47 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, we've been discussing it on IRC. i should probably leave a comment on the bug too | 18:47 |
| kenvandine | mdz, you might want to back up first | 18:48 |
| mdz | halfline, thanks | 18:48 |
| mdz | kenvandine, always ;-) | 18:48 |
| kenvandine | gconftool --dump /apps/panel > panel.dump | 18:48 |
| kenvandine | and to restore gconftool --load < panel.dump | 18:48 |
| kenvandine | mdz, did that get you the session applet? | 18:55 |
| mdz | kenvandine, nope | 19:05 |
| kenvandine | humm | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | did you restart the panel? | 19:06 |
| mdz | kenvandine, I suppose I should try booting UNR from USB to check | 19:06 |
| mdz | kenvandine, yes | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | lool, ^^ | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | lool, ideas? | 19:06 |
| mdz | hearing from lool that it works for him in a fresh install would ease my mind | 19:06 |
| asac | kenvandine: let me know when you think your -quit fixes are ready. thanks | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | asac, will do | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | asac, well my quit fix is fine | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | but in checking the window close behavior, i found that it isn't hooked up to do what it should do if you are using the status icon | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | asac, should have that fixed in a few | 19:09 |
| dobey | pitti, kenvandine: do you guys think i should try to apply for ubuntu membership for the next round? | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | mdz, i am downloading unr now | 19:09 |
| asac | very good | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | dobey, yeah | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | asac, the status icon case right now is very broken :/ | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | mdz, but looking at unr gconf defaults and package manifest, it should be there | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | mdz, do you have indicator-applet-session installed? | 19:10 |
| * dobey will look into that :) | 19:11 | |
| kenvandine | it is in the manifest for the cd | 19:11 |
| mdz | kenvandine, I do | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | ok... we need lool | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | or my download to finish... in 3 hours :/ | 19:11 |
| mdz | I will make a USB key and check it myself | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | mdz please let me know | 19:12 |
| mdz | the new accessibility logo totally looks like the burning man logo | 19:16 |
| mdz | s/logo/icon/ | 19:17 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:17 |
| asac | kenvandine: status icon case? | 19:20 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 19:20 |
| dobey | mdz: the davinci thing? | 19:20 |
| kenvandine | if you aren't using the indicator | 19:21 |
| mdz | kenvandine, it's there in the live session | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | mdz, great | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | not sure why it isn't working for you :) | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | that is strange | 19:21 |
| kenvandine | unsetting it should | 19:21 |
| pitti | dobey: oh, sure! | 19:21 |
| dobey | pitti: cool, thanks :) | 19:23 |
| asac | kenvandine: if you can describe the symptoms a bit more explicit i can check if i find it later tonight | 19:30 |
| CyberCod | is there an IRC channel for the shipit team? | 19:34 |
| kenvandine | i have it fixed | 19:40 |
| kenvandine | asac, ^^ | 19:40 |
| kenvandine | testing all the cases now | 19:41 |
| asac | cool | 19:41 |
| kenvandine | asac: pushing now | 19:46 |
| kenvandine | asac: pushed to trunk | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | but i did my merge backwards, so revision is now 470 :/ | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | collapsed your's down into a merge | 19:52 |
| chrisccoulson | yay for RC! | 19:59 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | kenvandine: thats bad habit ;) | 20:08 |
| asac | kenvandine: cant you uncommit ? | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | i could... but then i would have to push that | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | i'll do that | 20:09 |
| asac | kenvandine: well. we moved backwards | 20:09 |
| asac | i think within 5 minutes its ok | 20:09 |
| asac | even though ugly | 20:09 |
| asac | ;) | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | pitti, bug 441210 | 20:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 441210 in xsplash "boot and gdm "wallpaper" is not dithered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441210 | 20:09 |
| asac | i think there was some kind of way to configure bzr branches to not allow that kind of thing | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | that should be the default :) | 20:10 |
| asac | kind of a ugly feature imo | 20:10 |
| asac | yeah | 20:10 |
| asac | yeah i think uncommitting is really better. the dailies already picked up the 473 | 20:13 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages | 20:13 |
| pitti | kenvandine: hi | 20:16 |
| pitti | kenvandine: need sponsoring? | 20:16 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yeah... not sure how critical it is | 20:16 |
| kenvandine | but seems harmless | 20:17 |
| kenvandine | and should make it smaller :) | 20:17 |
| pitti | oh? Mat told me it'd get bigger | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | it is a bigger image | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | but only one | 20:18 |
| pitti | james_w: bug 307019 has a s-t-b task as well, does that need to be changed for this? | 20:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 307019 in gnome-system-tools "ecryptfs Private directory not mounted after changing password in users-admin" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307019 | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | removed all the sized ones | 20:18 |
| pitti | kenvandine: was that tested in different screen resolutions? | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | bratsche, ^^ | 20:19 |
| pitti | not that next time someone comes along and says it looks ugly when being scaled | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | asac, can you just overwrite with your branch? | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | backing out this way is painful :) | 20:20 |
| bratsche | pitti, kenvandine: I tested it at 1680x1050 and 1600x1200 | 20:21 |
| kenvandine | humm | 20:21 |
| kenvandine | should get it tested on a netbook | 20:21 |
| kenvandine | should be fine though | 20:21 |
| pitti | should be tested at 1024x768 in kvm and on a widescreen | 20:23 |
| bratsche | 1680x1050 is a widescreen isn't it? | 20:24 |
| bratsche | Or maybe not. | 20:24 |
| pitti | ah, yes | 20:25 |
| * kenvandine tests in kvm | 20:25 | |
| pitti | I'm currently reviewing the unapproved queue (46 uploads, ugh), that'll still take me a while | 20:25 |
| bratsche | Sorry to dump this one on you guys at the last minute. I had forgotten about it since I moved on to Lucid stuff, and mt just reminded me this morning. | 20:25 |
| asac | kenvandine: yes | 20:27 |
| asac | kenvandine: oh the problem is that the branch has no problem with that | 20:28 |
| asac | as it thinks all is fine | 20:28 |
| kenvandine | pitti, bratsche: working fine in kvm at 1024x768 | 20:29 |
| asac | kenvandine: so what we can do is rename branch and push ... not sure if ryan kills us ;) | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | that is fine... unless he is working on it right now | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | which isn't likely :) | 20:30 |
| asac | ok | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | your branch is still at 473? | 20:30 |
| asac | 474 | 20:30 |
| asac | yes | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | good | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | go for it :) | 20:30 |
| asac | let me rename and push again | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | thx | 20:30 |
| asac | and hope that the lp:gwibber doesnt get auto moved | 20:30 |
| asac | so yes | 20:31 |
| asac | it happened | 20:31 |
| asac | lp:gwibber is now "merged.backup" | 20:31 |
| asac | and we are probably not driver so we can retpoint | 20:32 |
| asac | anyway...pushing and then trying to fix the series | 20:32 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:33 |
| asac | kenvandine: ok should be there now | 20:33 |
| kenvandine | pitti, also bug 456024 | 20:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456024 in evolution-couchdb "Cannot delete multiple (potentially any) contacts from Ubuntu One Couch DB address book" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456024 | 20:33 |
| asac | kenvandine: and i was able to fix series | 20:33 |
| kenvandine | woot | 20:33 |
| * kenvandine merges again | 20:33 | |
| asac | kenvandine: take care ;=) | 20:34 |
| asac | kenvandine: oh. all the merge requests have moved to the backup location | 20:36 |
| asac | 8 in total | 20:36 |
| asac | guess we should go through and rerequest | 20:36 |
| kenvandine | pushed r475 | 20:38 |
| kenvandine | i'll fix the merge requests :) | 20:38 |
| kenvandine | thx | 20:38 |
| asac | grat | 20:39 |
| asac | ok let me check | 20:39 |
| asac | i will poke it a bit and then upload if you dont say you found a bug | 20:40 |
| kenvandine | asac, i think it is pretty solid | 20:40 |
| kenvandine | definately no worse than it was :) | 20:40 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i didn't target 456024 | 20:41 |
| kenvandine | what do you think about that one? | 20:41 |
| pitti | kenvandine: seems low-prio, but the patch is reasonably small; I guess yuo tested it already? or still investigating? | 20:52 |
| dpm | pitti, (or anyone else), I want to make sure I understand this correctly. The language packs being exported today, they are the ones which are going to be included in the ISOs, aren't they? | 20:52 |
| pitti | dpm: corretc | 20:52 |
| dpm | pitti, thanks | 20:52 |
| pitti | (more correct than my spelling, anyway) | 20:52 |
| dpm | correct enough for me to understand it :-) | 20:53 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yes i tested it with a couple contacts | 20:55 |
| kenvandine | seemed to work as advertised | 20:55 |
| kenvandine | pitti, should i milestone it? | 20:55 |
| pitti | kenvandine: let's just upload it | 20:55 |
| pitti | but I let Steve accept that one | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | thx | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | seems worth it | 20:56 |
| pitti | kenvandine: please subscribe me to the two bugs when they are ready, I'll sponsor them when I'm done with queue poking | 21:00 |
| kenvandine | ok | 21:03 |
| pitti | kenvandine: hmm, did you uncommit on bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/evolution-couchdb/ubuntu/ ? | 21:14 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I was pulling, and got "diverged" | 21:14 |
| kenvandine | nope | 21:14 |
| pitti | ah, probably I forgot to push the "releasing version 0.3.2-0ubuntu1" change, sorry | 21:14 |
| kenvandine | np | 21:15 |
| pitti | kenvandine: evo-couchdb uploaded | 21:25 |
| kenvandine | thx | 21:26 |
| lool | mdz, kenvandine: Sorry was away for dinner | 21:28 |
| mdz | lool, as you should be at that time of the evening ;-) | 21:29 |
| lool | So indicator session > the only difference should be that we dont have gdm-guest-session | 21:29 |
| lool | mdz: Is there a bug with the indicator session issue? | 21:30 |
| james_w | pitti: it does not need to be changed with this fix. | 21:31 |
| mdz | kenvandine, lool, what is supposed to happen when you select 'New session...' from the session indicator? | 21:31 |
| mdz | (for me, it just turned on the screensaver) | 21:31 |
| lool | mdz: Gah it's supposed NOT to be there | 21:31 |
| lool | I guess indicator-session doesn't support lack of guest session | 21:31 |
| lool | mdz: The screensaver turning on is just an effect of screen being locked to switch to the other session, but as the guest session isn't there it fails | 21:33 |
| kenvandine | oh... that is bad | 21:33 |
| lool | It's really easy to add gdm-guesst-session support to UNR, it just didn't make sense to we excluded it | 21:33 |
| kenvandine | New session... should be hidden if guest isn't there | 21:33 |
| lool | But it's probably the least intrusive fix | 21:34 |
| kenvandine | that would be easier than fixing indicator-session | 21:34 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ^^ | 21:34 |
| lool | Yes, less intrusive | 21:34 |
| tedg | We check to see if CK reports that user switching is available, can't you just tell CK that? | 21:35 |
| lool | mdz: Actually on a startx session I dont see New session (which is correct) | 21:36 |
| lool | This is not about guest session actually | 21:36 |
| lool | This is about switching user | 21:36 |
| lool | Which probably doesn't work if there is no other user or something along these lines | 21:37 |
| mdz | lool, I saw it in the live session | 21:37 |
| mdz | I don't see it in a normal session | 21:37 |
| lool | In a live session, I see switch user which returns to an useless gdm | 21:41 |
| * lool quickly reinstalls in virtualbox | 21:43 | |
| lool | mdz: Did you see "New session" in a live session or "Switch user"? I only see the latter | 21:44 |
| mdz | lool, "New session" I saw in the live session | 21:44 |
| mdz | "Switch user" I see in my session right now | 21:44 |
| lool | Odd I can't reproduce New session in a live session | 21:45 |
| mdz | curious | 21:45 |
| seiflotfy1 | hey guys | 21:47 |
| seiflotfy1 | i need help | 21:47 |
| seiflotfy1 | i want to modify the session from a terminal | 21:48 |
| seiflotfy1 | as in gdm should not automatically log in | 21:48 |
| seb128 | hi, try #ubuntu for user question | 21:48 |
| pitti | kenvandine: do you know the status of bug 423383 ? | 21:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423383 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-client-applet crashed with AttributeError in from_token_and_callback()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423383 | 21:50 |
| pitti | dobey: ^ or you? | 21:50 |
| kenvandine | no i don't | 21:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: bug 442120 seems like we just need a cherrypick? | 21:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 442120 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442120 | 21:50 |
| dobey | pitti: it's a server "semi-issue" | 21:51 |
| * kenvandine checks with chad | 21:51 | |
| pitti | dobey: ok, so can be fixed independently from the u1 package? good | 21:54 |
| dobey | pitti: it's a timeout threshold setting in python-oauth in the OAuthServer class, that gets compared against | 21:55 |
| dobey | pitti: for that specific bug anyaywa | 21:55 |
| kenvandine | pitti, that dc fix wasn't uploaded, but they are preparing another one now | 21:56 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - does the indicator-applet need libgnomeui for anything? | 22:05 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: I think it uses it for the libpanel stuff? Honestly, that's part of the panel-applet boilerplate stuff that I'm not too familiar with. | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, ok. the only reason i ask is because it means that it connects to the session manager | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | and if you do session saving, it gets saved in the session, and supplies a bogus restart command | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | so gnome-session spits out a warning on subsequent logins that it can't start indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session | 22:07 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: Hmm, seems we should be able to avoid that. Probably too late for Karmic though. | 22:08 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: We might have put session stuff in when it was "FUSA" more directly, and not pulled it out when we pulled that code out. | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think the FUSA might have done this too | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | not using libgnomeui would be ideal (if it's not used for anything else). it doesn't seem to make sense for applets to connect to the session manager anyway | 22:09 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 22:09 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | but the alternative is to set the RestartStyleHint to RestartNever, so it never gets saved | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | 'night pitti | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - thinking about, the old FUSA had to do this, as it originally used GnomeClient to log out anyway | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | but that's not necessary now:) | 22:11 |
| tedg | Yeah, I'm wondering if there's some stale code in there. | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - i think so, but that's for next cycle now | 22:12 |
| asac | 21:42 < lifeless> asac: bzr help configuration, look for append_only | 22:18 |
| asac | kenvandine: ^^ | 22:18 |
| kenvandine | oh... cool | 22:19 |
| asac | hmmm ... terminal behaviour is a bit odd for bzr configuration ;) ... cannot scroll up | 22:19 |
| asac | ah ... term was just busted | 22:19 |
| asac | append_revisions_only | 22:20 |
| asac | If set to "True" then revisions can only be appended to the log, not | 22:20 |
| asac | removed. A branch with this setting enabled can only pull from | 22:20 |
| asac | another branch if the other branch's log is a longer version of its | 22:20 |
| asac | own. | 22:20 |
| seb128 | tedg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bugs | 22:25 |
| seb128 | tedg, could use some triaging looking at the list | 22:25 |
| TheMuso | pitti: I don't think so, but others might. | 22:27 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, kenvandine: do you watch evolution-couchdb bug list on launchpad to see private crashers? | 22:38 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128: yes, I think I get all evo-couchdb bugs | 22:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, launchpad doesn't email about private bugs | 22:38 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, it doesn't? | 22:39 |
| rodrigo_ | all ubuntu one server bugs are private, I think, and I get notifications for those | 22:39 |
| rodrigo_ | well, I think so | 22:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128: is there any bug we overlooked? | 22:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, not really, but evolution-data-server is crash land | 22:40 |
| seb128 | there is over 130 bugs where there was 50 previous cycle | 22:40 |
| seb128 | and a good part of those seems to be due to couchdb so I started reassigning | 22:40 |
| rodrigo_ | e-d-s itself, or evo-couchdb? | 22:41 |
| seb128 | I wanted to make sure somebody will look at those | 22:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128: ok, yes, reassign them to me | 22:41 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, e-d-s is the binary crashing but it crashes in libebookbackendcouchdb.so calls | 22:42 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I guess that makes the bug one on your side not in upstream e-d-s no? | 22:42 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128: yes, they're mine | 22:43 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, bug #451347 is one example | 22:43 |
| rodrigo_ | I guess I should watch e-d-s bug list then | 22:43 |
| ubottu | Bug 451347 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/451347 is private | 22:43 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, would be nice, I'm cleaning a bit for now | 22:43 |
| seb128 | watch evolution-couchdb for the ones I reassign | 22:43 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128: can't access that one, so yeah, please assign them all to me | 22:43 |
| seb128 | so you don't have access to private bugs | 22:44 |
| rodrigo_ | not to evo-couchdb bugs, no | 22:44 |
| rodrigo_ | I guess it just allows access to the team members? | 22:44 |
| seb128 | can you talk to pedro when he's around to see if you could get that? | 22:44 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 22:44 |
| seb128 | you are "rodrigo" on launchpad? | 22:44 |
| rodrigo_ | rodrigo-moya, I think | 22:44 |
| * rodrigo_ checks | 22:44 | |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, rodrigo-moya | 22:45 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-couchdb/+bugs | 22:45 |
| seb128 | you should see some extra bugs now | 22:45 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 22:45 |
| rodrigo_ | will look at them in the morning | 22:46 |
| seb128 | thanks | 22:46 |
| seb128 | there is no hurry anyway it's late to get updates in karmic now | 22:46 |
| rodrigo_ | right, but we want to fix those in updates post-karmic release :) | 22:47 |
| lool | mdz: I tried on two different hosts and couldnt get "New session"; I did a full install in virtualbox too and it worked on the installed system too; I guess you had a hard to trigger heisenbug | 22:49 |
| lool | kenvandine: ^ | 22:51 |
| kenvandine | lool, ok | 22:52 |
| kenvandine | thx | 22:52 |
| popey | kenvandine: someone pointed me in your direction about an avatar bug in gwibber.. you know of it? | 23:04 |
| popey | basically avatars don't appear | 23:04 |
| popey | bug 455943 is one | 23:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 455943 in gwibber "Avatars don't appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455943 | 23:05 |
| czajkowski | popey: only avatar coming through for me at present is the ubuntubug one | 23:07 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 23:08 |
| popey | same here czajkowski | 23:09 |
| czajkowski | popey: slightly ironic and confirmed bug, should I add a screen capture also ? | 23:12 |
| popey | dunno, i suspect it's a dupe | 23:12 |
| popey | can't imagine I'm the only one who has spotted it | 23:13 |
| czajkowski | popey: nope had this conversation last night in here | 23:13 |
| popey | heh | 23:13 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey | 23:14 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you? | 23:14 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, good, just on the phone to rick | 23:15 |
| seb128 | oh k | 23:15 |
| seb128 | do you have anything on your todolist for today? | 23:15 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, can i get back to you in a sec | 23:16 |
| seb128 | ok | 23:16 |
| hggdh | seb128: do you run Evo? | 23:17 |
| hggdh | and hi | 23:17 |
| seb128 | hggdh, hey and yes | 23:17 |
| seb128 | why? | 23:18 |
| hggdh | seb128: cool. I was looking at gnome bug 595389 | 23:18 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 595389 in Miscellaneous "SQLite cache is code-forced to 100 pages, with performance implications to large folders.db" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595389 | 23:18 |
| hggdh | and need volunteers for a test ;-) | 23:18 |
| seb128 | interesting | 23:19 |
| seb128 | but not for today, it's past midnight and the week has been busy | 23:19 |
| hggdh | no prob. I expected you to say no tonight -- too late for you already | 23:20 |
| seb128 | ie I'm waiting for robert_ancell to be there to chat with him and then all it a day | 23:20 |
| seb128 | I will give a try to that later, you might want to ping pedro too tomorrow if he's around | 23:20 |
| hggdh | :-) I will. I am going to go fishing for volunteers | 23:21 |
| seb128 | hggdh, oh, it doesn't require a rebuild? | 23:23 |
| seb128 | hggdh, what do you want to be tested? | 23:23 |
| seb128 | see there robert_ancell_ will blame his isp again when he just want to have an excuse to not get tasks for the day ;-) | 23:24 |
| hggdh | seb128: (1) stop Evo; (2) from a terminal run 'env CAMEL_SQLITE_DEFAULT_CACHE_SIZE=2000 evolution'; | 23:24 |
| hggdh | (3) see if it feels faster | 23:24 |
| seb128 | hggdh, hard to say | 23:26 |
| seb128 | I don't find it too slughish usually | 23:26 |
| hggdh | the difference will be on usage of the infamous folders.db, and will (I guess) heavily depend on how much email you have stored | 23:27 |
| hggdh | for me, for example, it is strickingly faster on startup to scan all folders | 23:28 |
| seb128 | the main annoyance in evo is that it doesn't do multi tasking well | 23:28 |
| seb128 | ie if you do send&receive and start reading emails in a imap box it will often hang loading until it's done fetching a summary | 23:29 |
| seb128 | ie you do have spam filtering on too you can be stucked for several minutes without it being able to fetch one email content | 23:29 |
| hggdh | well, I am not sure what can be done in this case, since a connection to IMAP is already in use | 23:29 |
| seb128 | I don't really have issues due to the indexes | 23:29 |
| hggdh | OK. Back to spam -- you use spamassassin or bogofilter? | 23:30 |
| seb128 | bogofilter | 23:30 |
| hggdh | weird. I do not see that | 23:30 |
| hggdh | oh, wait -- I use a lot of gmail, and it filters most of my spam | 23:31 |
| hggdh | and my IMAP is local, so there is not much of network overhead | 23:31 |
| seb128 | I get some hundred spams a day in my inbox | 23:32 |
| seb128 | and imap is not local | 23:32 |
| seb128 | I should try thunderbird just to see if handle that better | 23:32 |
| hggdh | heh. I get about one spam per day... | 23:32 |
| _Trinity_ | has anyone gotten empathy doing voip to a msn client on windows? | 23:32 |
| hggdh | try claws-mail also | 23:32 |
| seb128 | or read how imap work to see if a client can open several connections | 23:33 |
| seb128 | to read emails while updating indexes for example | 23:33 |
| seb128 | _Trinity_, no but we don't enable msn av in karmic | 23:33 |
| hggdh | IMAP should support it, its evo that does not | 23:33 |
| seb128 | ok, what I though but I was not sure about your what can be done | 23:33 |
| seb128 | well evo sort of do multi actions | 23:34 |
| seb128 | it keeps fetching indexes while filtering spam there | 23:34 |
| seb128 | the things is that if you do a few extra one, ie try to load some emails | 23:35 |
| seb128 | you can get in an almost stucked state | 23:35 |
| seb128 | I often have to cancel some actions to get it unstucked because it's trying to do everything for minutes without any move | 23:35 |
| seb128 | if you tell it to forget about the email loading indexes loading etc unstuck | 23:35 |
| seb128 | ok, enough work for today now | 23:36 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, robert_ancell: still on the phone there? | 23:36 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, no, but we're chatting in irc | 23:37 |
| seb128 | !!! | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | what's up? | 23:37 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I'm waiting for you to ping me back to call it a day | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell's phone broke | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, sorry! | 23:37 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I wanted to chat with robert before going to bed, he said he would come back to me after your call | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | bye bye | 23:37 |
| seb128 | but he didn't | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 23:37 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, sorry! | 23:37 |
| rickspencer3 | we're almost done | 23:37 |
| seb128 | oh ok, you are doing your call over IRC | 23:38 |
| seb128 | I though you finished the call and were just chatting now ;-) | 23:38 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, done | 23:38 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, well, now we're just stalling to annoy you | 23:38 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 23:38 |
| seb128 | lol | 23:38 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, have a great weekend! | 23:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I'm not annoyed but I'm tired ;-) | 23:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, thanks! | 23:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, alright I don't have a lot to say | 23:39 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, just feel free to email me anything you think needs looking at any evening | 23:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, they might still accept some 2.28.1 update tomorrow | 23:39 |
| seb128 | so you can try doing the few interesting one if you want | 23:40 |
| seb128 | ie brasero seems to fix some bugs that would be nice to get fix in karmic | 23:40 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I had one question - bug 437167 | 23:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 437167 in deskbar-applet "libdeskbar-tracker does not install the module at the right place" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437167 | 23:40 |
| seb128 | gnome-utils too | 23:40 |
| seb128 | if you want to do the update and try to get pitti to sponsor tomorrow | 23:40 |
| robert_ancell | ok, will do | 23:40 |
| seb128 | we will upload those as stable updates if they are not accepted otherwise | 23:41 |
| seb128 | thanks | 23:41 |
| seb128 | looking | 23:41 |
| robert_ancell | not sure if this is gnome or not, not sure if needs a SRU or anything | 23:41 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it's not in the default installation so should be ok | 23:42 |
| seb128 | can you ping slangasek about it or drop an email to pitti? | 23:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ok, will do | 23:42 |
| seb128 | or subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug | 23:42 |
| seb128 | thanks | 23:42 |
| seb128 | have a good friday and weekend! | 23:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, you too! | 23:43 |
| * seb128 call it a week now, taking a holiday tomorrow | 23:43 | |
| seb128 | bye | 23:43 |
| robert_ancell | bye | 23:43 |
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