[00:59] TheMuso, is there a way to search the archive for packages that provide files in a given directory? I want to see what packages but files in /usr/lib/deskbar-applet. packages.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be able to do this [01:20] robert_ancell: apt-file [01:20] robert_ancell: i.e apt-file is the package that will help you find files in packages that you don't have installed. [03:57] kenvandine, hey, how much do you know about pkg-config? Can you look at bug 455614 and see if you can tell why someone would modify .pc dependencies? [03:57] Launchpad bug 455614 in libsm "don't mess with the pc file" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455614 === robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [06:49] Good morning === ara_ is now known as ara [07:09] hello al-maisan [07:09] hola didrocks :) [07:43] Good morning [07:58] hi pitti [08:32] morning everyone [08:48] MacSlow: ping? :) [08:48] slomo, ja? [08:50] MacSlow: hi, you know cairo well, and i saw some interesting font rendering from you iirc... what's the best and fastest way to draw only the outline of text, best when using pango? :) [08:50] hey slomo [08:50] hi seb128 [08:50] slomo, thanks for the quick gst fix! [08:51] seb128: np :) are your non-ac3 dvds working too now btw? [08:52] slomo, I didn't try again but I will do that later today and let you know [08:52] but looking on the bug seems it was on good track and somebody else was able to test [08:52] seb128: yes, but it's not optimal yet... it "should" work :) [08:53] slomo, do pango_cairo_layout_path() ... then cairo_stoke() it [08:54] slomo, bug #450946 is the sort of bugs you are interested to look at too? [08:54] Launchpad bug 450946 in totem "requires a restart to use the newly installed codecs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450946 [08:55] MacSlow: that's what i'm doing now, unfortunately it's very slow compared to pango_cairo_show_layout()... because pango_cairo_show_layout() does all kinds of caching and stuff that gets lost when rendering the font to a cairo path [08:56] MacSlow: cairo developers said to use user fonts, unfortunately pango doesn't support them yet... so i thought you might know some pango trick to do it faster for now :) [08:57] slomo, you just ask how to do it... not how to make it fast :) [08:58] slomo, also I don't know what you rendering requirements are (fps, fill-rate limits etc.) [08:58] MacSlow: ok, sorry :) so you don't have a better idea either? the final goal is to draw white text with black outline [08:58] hey slomo - seb128 asked yesterday about the stability of fludendo-mp3 compared to the other one [08:59] MacSlow: well, just drawing the outline shouldn't take 60% of all processing time (the 30% include creating a much larger test screen, drawing the normal text, putting a shaded box around it, ...) :) [09:00] slomo, approximate it (but will not look as good)... draw with pango_cairo_show_layout() in black... decrease the size.. draw again with pango_cairo_show_layout() in white [09:00] mvo: it's worse but has a better license (GPL vs. BSD or MIT) [09:00] slomo, how much text do you have to draw and at what frame-rate? [09:01] MacSlow: ok, i guess i have to do that then... and think about how much i should increase the text size. would you change the text size with cairo (cairo_scale) or with pango? [09:01] MacSlow: subtitles on video, so any framerate and a bit text [09:05] slomo, hm... I'd say you should certainly surface-buffer the text you draw... meaning draw it once to a surface-buffer... reuse that as long as the text doesn't change... and only re-render text tothe surface-buffer if new text needs to be displayed [09:06] slomo, I hope you don't call pango_cairo_layout_path() every frame :) [09:07] MacSlow: no, only everytime it changes of course :) my testcase was a bad choice here because the text changes every frame probably ;) [09:07] slomo: thanks, we fixed it recently to have the g-s-t meta-data and now it shows up in the codec installer. but it also sets it self as default if multiple ones are installed. is that safe/sane? or should we instead lower its priority or break it again to not show up at all? [09:08] slomo, you should certainly use surface-buffering... I don't expect subtitle-text to change every 1/24 th of a second :) [09:08] mvo: i don't know, depends on your needs i guess :) [09:09] need: no-crashes ;) [09:09] but thanks for the info I will think about it a bit and discuss with seb128 [09:09] slomo, surface-buffering you certainly will need to do for optimizatino reasons anyway [09:10] mvo: then better use the mad one, it's tested more ;) the only advantage of the fluendo one really is the license (or if you bought it from fluendo the patent license) [09:10] slomo, well, it's basically "what should user get when clicking on a mp3" [09:10] slomo, ok, that's what I though too, it's late for a such change now [09:10] there is a g-c-i bug there [09:11] MacSlow: as said, i do surface buffering :) it's only my testcase that has changing text every buffer (drawing the current time) [09:11] it shouldn't install 3 decoders for the same same thing [09:11] ie for a mp3 is installs the mad, fluendo and ffmpeg binaries [09:11] yes, it should only select the one with the highest priority and let users choose to install the others and not the one with the highest priority [09:13] slomo, ok... then you should not have an issue using pango_cairo_layout_path() and cairo_stroke() [09:14] slomo, actually guess you would want to do pango_cairo_layout_path()... cairo_fill_preserve() in white and then cairo_stroke() in black [09:16] MacSlow: for subtitles it's no problem, yes, but for text that changes every frame it is. that's what i'm trying to explain :) and i really don't want pango_cairo_layout_path(), fill_preserve + stroke... it's slower than show_layout() + layout_path() + stroke [09:16] MacSlow: see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598695 for the context [09:16] Gnome bug 598695 in gst-plugins-base "[timeoverlay] use much CPU ressource compare to previous version" [Normal,New] [09:17] slomo, only solution is a real OpenGL-backend for cairo if you need heavy-duty text-rendering with cairo [09:19] slomo, if you can live with only the typical western set of ASCII characters you could do a "texture-map" character lookup and use that [09:19] slomo, but that would kill all unicode-sexiness [09:19] but that would be fast as hell [09:23] mac_v: thanks for testing the synaptic ppa version - what card are you using when the problem appears? I wonder if its driver dependant. i get about ~8% or so xorg cpu, nothing abnormal high [09:23] with nvidia [09:30] mac_v: is it a intel card/driver as well? [09:31] mvo: ATI x1400 [09:33] kenvandine: let me know [09:33] luckily bindwood wasnt put in main ;) [09:49] davidbarth, hey, any clue about bug #438664? [09:49] Launchpad bug 438664 in empathy "empathy should use same status icons like fast-user-switching applet" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438664 [09:49] davidbarth, not sure if using different icons in the session menu is a design choice [09:50] seb128: we're using icons provided explicitely for this menu; the integration of these icons in IM apps was not defined in a way or another [09:51] ok, not sure what to do with the bug [09:52] is something you want to consider? [09:52] should somebody be subscribed to comment on it? [09:56] ArneGoetje: did you run the last po2xpi run yet? [09:57] or is export running atm? === proppy1 is now known as proppy [10:26] BBL, need to repair a friend's jaunty server [10:26] pitti: before you leave ... did the last langpack run already happen or is export still running? [10:26] (sorry) [10:57] mpt: do you think the changes to the button-have-icons and menus-have-icons should be mentioned in the Ubuntu Karmic release notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/HumanReleaseNotes [10:58] mpt: thanks for the notice about my blog being blocked btw, seems I had a really old wordpress install, so it got hacked [10:59] * mpt wonders why that URL has "Human" in it [11:00] andreasn, I think that would be a good idea [11:00] who do I ask for that? [11:00] andreasn, it's a wiki page ;-) [11:01] well, I don't want anyone to slap my fingers... ;) === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke [11:06] kenvandine: i pushed the gwibber threading changes i had [11:06] kenvandine: we just got rid of all threads, but the worker thread [11:06] think should be all clean now ... though you cannot say for sure ;) [11:07] gwibber is always good for surprises [11:07] i found a dead function in frontend code that also starts a thread .... havent removed it, but it should definitly go away [11:07] asac: back [11:07] asac: I think it's scheduled for today 2200 UTC (finish) [11:08] asac: so I'll start building them tomorrow [11:09] great [11:10] pitti: does arne do a test run before uploading? [11:10] asac: ArneGoetje is off sick, I'll do them [11:10] asac: I usually do a local build of the German before [11:12] pitti, I though we agreed to standard language to try was french? ;-) [11:12] mpt: looks sane now? [11:13] ok. all ok then. [11:13] andreasn, yep, thanks [11:13] pretty much copied the notes from gnome 2.28 release notes and changed some wording [11:14] is there some files system option that would prevent flock from working? [11:19] andreasn, though once again we're suffering from a problem that we don't know who the target audience is for the release notes [11:19] ivanka, we should figure that out one day [11:20] mpt: yes, indeed [11:35] is gwibber supposed to send replies to facebook messages? because it doesn't seem to work at all for me [11:39] rodrigo_: only if you have it set up to do so in the settings [11:39] czajkowski: I have [11:40] it just fails silently, I write the reply, press ENTER, and wait, but my reply never shows up [11:40] rodrigo_: check if it shows up in fb [11:40] rodrigo_: ah ok I've mine set not to reply to fb, ohnly post otherwise would be noisey [11:41] davmor2: it doesn't [11:41] czajkowski: hmm, I only have 'Receive' and 'Send', no 'post/reply' [11:42] maybe I'm using an old version... [11:42] asac: we just tried to configure a manual eth connection here (no DHCP); I added a new connection type, but that won't actually appear in nm-applet's dropdown list [11:42] asac: I'll just file a bug now, unless you say that's already known? [11:42] (I didn't quite find a related one) [11:42] not known [11:42] i tested various options and didnt get any such feedback [11:43] pitti: what does "i added a new conneciton type" mean? [11:43] asac: s/type// [11:43] yeah [11:43] pitti: killall nm-applet -> nm-applet -> appears? [11:43] asac: connection editor -> edit connections -> cable -> add -> add a static one [11:43] asac: lemme try [11:43] pitti: jockey is showing my nvidia gfx anf bcm wifi on live cd but on installed system I get nothing displayed says there are no drivers for this system. [11:46] asac: confirmed, it's there now [11:46] and even working [11:46] asac: want a bug report for that? [11:47] pitti: please file a bug, yes [11:47] there is something racy [11:47] i always ha the suspicion there is [11:48] \# [11:48] could also be a glib-dbus bug (e.g. signal not delivered) [11:55] bbl [12:16] asac, which function? [12:17] kenvandine: on_oldsearch [12:17] thx [12:17] or something. ... that spawns a thread ... the whole code of this should go away imo [12:18] if its used we want to see that ... as we definitly dont want to run a thread like that ;) [12:18] but i couldnt find any call to on_old_search [12:18] kenvandine: maybe just check if thats still used. i can remove the parts then. [12:18] not sure with all the other on_ ... functions [12:18] maybe those should be reviewed too [12:19] guess not for karmic both though [12:20] seb128, about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593086 which LP bug attached the log file? [12:20] Gnome bug 593086 in General "empathy crashed with SIGABRT in empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message" [Major,New] [12:20] kenvandine: i was too dump to figure out where the hell the image tags/css are set [12:20] i didnt look for long [12:20] but thats a nasty thing [12:21] yeah [12:21] imo it should just use the http:// urls [12:21] and let webkit do the caching [12:21] unless webkit doesnt have a cache on its own of course [12:21] but then i couldnt find anything related to those images [12:21] the image cache definitly isnt used anymore ;) [12:21] i removed all images in there and it stays empty [12:21] cassidy, bug #408530 [12:22] Launchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408530 [12:22] cassidy, it the bug which has been original forwarded and is listed in the first bugzilla comment [12:22] kenvandine: what i found was ./gwibber/microblog/identica.py: self.image = user["profile_image_url"] [12:22] kenvandine: but thats not set anywhere [12:23] seb128, thanks [12:23] cassidy, you're welcome [12:24] asac, that might be the old code which isn't used anymore [12:24] yes. i get the feeling that half of the code is old ;) [12:25] kenvandine: but what code is used? does it use a custom url handler? [12:25] or just webkit ? [12:25] i dumped the html snippet for message to the terminal and it didnt have any sign of a image [12:25] then i stopped looking as i clearly don't understand whats done there ;) [12:29] are you guys going to be pushing any more gwibber fixes into karmic? :) [12:31] Ng: please test trunk [12:31] Ng: bzr branch lp:gwibber; cd gwibber; (stop gwibber UI); killall gwibber-daemon; ./bin/gwibber-daemon + ./bin/gwibber [12:32] Ng: not sure what your issues are though ;) [12:33] kenvandine: btw, you can now ctrl+c gwibber-daemon ;) [12:34] let me check the quit thing now [12:34] asac: bug #383759 is the most immediately annoying bug I have atm :) [12:34] Launchpad bug 383759 in gwibber "bug with font size as int" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383759 [12:35] Ng: no hangs of daemon? [12:35] Ng: ok that can be taken [12:35] asac: I have been seeing hangs, but this one stops the UI from starting [12:37] asac: \o/ [12:37] Ng: stops the UI? [12:37] wow [12:37] does that throw an exception? [12:38] yeah, I just added a comment to the bug with the traceback === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:39] asac: I'm running trunk now, will leave it going and see how it goes :) [12:40] Ng: where do you set that font size ... in gnome? [12:41] just wonder if they get a similar problem if you onfigure font size like 12.2px ;) [12:41] rather than point [12:41] asac: yeah, in gnome, so it's a point size. you just type in the size rather than select one from the list [12:42] hmm [12:42] so most likely pixel sized font sizes will make this choke too ;) [12:42] anyway this one should be good [12:42] for its part of the bug [12:43] are pixel sized font sizes legal in a fontconfig world? [12:44] I have no idea how one would configure gnome to use such a thing ;) [12:45] Ng: committed [12:45] asac: sweet, thanks [12:45] i will check that noww with px [12:46] now I just have to persuade MacSlow|lunch to love floating point font sizes in notify-osd :D [12:47] Ng: i have this /apps/gwibber/preferences/default_font [12:47] in gconf-editor [12:47] is that the font in question? [12:47] Ng, I've some local fixes partly based on your branch [12:48] hmm. how broken is notify-osd with font sizes? [12:48] just does "rounding" ... or fails completely? [12:48] asac, can get tiny... but does not crash or anything like that [12:49] asac, but I've to put the change to thorough testing and need to talk to davidbarth too [12:51] MacSlow|lunch: tiny like "rounding" ... or "nulling out"? [12:51] just curious [12:57] asac: I think it relates to /desktop/gnome/interface/font_name [12:58] MacSlow|lunch: I appreciate it :) [12:58] asac: rouding, I think it parses 6.5 as 5 [12:58] as 5 [12:58] ok [12:58] but I suck at coding, so I could have read that wrong [12:58] Ng: it splits by . and uses the second particle? [13:00] asac: I'm not sure, I didn't pay too much attention because my position is that the parsing is unnecessary, but like I said, I suck at coding. The clue being that I'm not paid to write code and you guys are ;) [13:02] Ng: ok. but it parses? [13:02] asac: yeah [13:03] kenvandine: isnt the idea that if you quit gwibber, it usually still runs in background and spits out notifications/indicator stuff? [13:03] just wondered if the -quit is really what we want [13:10] Ng: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299006/ [13:10] thats with 13.333px set manually in gconf [13:11] /gnome/interface/font_name == Sans 13.333px [13:11] ok guess this needs more fixage [13:12] asac: is that a legal value for font_name? [13:12] there seems to be a bit of a lack of exact specification around this stuff, but AIUI they're basically just strings that pango can parse [13:14] yes [13:15] Ng: font_name is just a pango_description [13:15] Ng: try to change it ... your font on desktop should adjust ... some apps are buggy, but all apps usually start [13:16] let me check what websettings can accept for values [13:16] unfortunately there is nowhere a real api doc for webkit ... at least not in my search engine horizon [13:16] * asac getting source [13:20] ok webkit has default-font-size really as an integer for point sizes only [13:21] "Martin Pitt is the heart and sole of the desktop team." <- I don't find Martin leathery at all [13:28] asac, that was the original idea, but there have been complaints about there not being a way to quit the daemon at all [13:28] and people keep saying that should be wired up to the client quit [13:28] we need to think that through in the UI for lucid [13:28] for example, people don't want to be able to hide notifications [13:29] i was thinking that would be cool to do if you set your IM status to away or busy [13:29] something like that [13:29] and make it configurable [13:29] so then to make it "quieter" you just set to busy or away [13:30] asac, but just an idea [13:30] asac, so my quit branch makes the quit button and quit menu item quit the backend as well, but closing the window doesn't [13:31] kenvandine: how about adding that to the indicator ;) [13:31] quit? [13:31] yeah [13:31] ;)( [13:32] i bet there would be resistance to that :) [13:32] hehe [13:32] yeah. i think configuration would be good [13:32] not sure how to best stop gwibber daemon [13:32] asac, anyway, that is a situation we need to give some thought too [13:32] if they dont want it to be in indicator it probably needs to be in tray [13:32] asac, on my list for the next refactoring :) [13:33] and easier now that i understand what interests are in the indicator [13:33] asac, so interesting observation with your threading fixes [13:34] ordering is whacky for multiple services [13:34] for example i have a facebook post that says 11h ago, followed by a flickr image 6d ago followed by a dent 2h ago [13:35] really [13:35] yeah [13:35] and i confirmed that didn't happen in r467 [13:35] asac, it looks like everything from the same service is in the correct order [13:36] but intermingling them isn't right [13:36] like all my dents are in the right order but not properly aligned with tweets and suck [13:36] such [13:36] kenvandine: sureits a regression? i dont see it in my messages [13:36] have twitter/facebook and idnetica [13:36] all properly ordered [13:36] most noticable with flickr since those aren't posted often [13:36] asac, no i just reverted to r467 and they ordered properly [13:37] updated again and they are out of whack again [13:37] thats the last one? [13:37] yeah [13:37] with your curl fixes [13:37] kenvandine: you reverted all? [13:37] hmm [13:37] thought just one commit [13:38] my dents, tweets, and facebook are all nearly in sync but looking closely i see they aren't ordered right [13:38] i mean ... i cannot think of why reall yold stuff should be different [13:38] i wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for this whacky flickr feed [13:38] the recent tweets, fb, and dents are wrong too i just wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for flickr [13:38] hmm. my order is a strict order [13:38] just went through all i see [13:38] nothing goes back [13:38] weird [13:39] kenvandine: can you just revert the lightweight OperationManager commit? [13:39] sorry [13:39] operationhandler [13:39] 471 [13:39] no worries [13:39] * kenvandine does it [13:40] asac, oh this might be noteworthy [13:40] i do have one message getting dropped for a bad time [13:40] Dropping message with bad time attribute: {'username': 'Ken VanDine', 'account': , 'client': , 'protocol': 'facebook'} [13:40] Traceback (most recent call last): [13:40] File "/home/ken/src/gwibber/gwibber/microblog/facebook.py", line 39, in __init__ [13:40] sender = profiles[data["actor_id"]] [13:40] KeyError: '41911143546' [13:41] def get_messages(self, filters, count): data = list(self.filter_messages(filters)) data.sort(key=operator.itemgetter("time"), reverse=True) if count == 0: return {"count": len(data), "total": len(data), "messages": data} else: return {"count": count, "total": len(data), "messages": data[:count]} [13:41] not sure if that could mess up the whole order [13:41] thats the code for get_messages [13:41] so its alaways sorted before sending over the wire [13:41] maybe the timestamps are a bit off [13:41] that looks sane [13:41] i wonder if the client is doing anything weird [13:42] * kenvandine thinks there is way too much logic in the client [13:43] kenvandine: if not hasattr(message, "time"): [13:43] print "Dropping message with bad time attribute:", message.__dict__ [13:43] so does flickr set a time attribute? [13:43] it must [13:44] but the dropped one is flickr, and it looks like it has the time as the key [13:44] kenvandine: i dont see the time in the dump from above [13:46] kenvandine: does self.time = parse_time(data["dateupload"]) mean that its also there as self['time'] ? [13:46] no, that would be weird [13:49] i dont see any place where "time" is set [13:49] except one exception handler in microblog/__init [13:49] which sets it to current time [13:55] guess itemgetter is supposed to look at that field === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:16] kenvandine: can you dump all messages before the sorting? [14:17] kenvandine: also try the last commit for the lightweight handler ... if thats enough [14:24] asac, i am doing something like that, it looks like the one without the time is nearly blank [14:24] like only my data [14:24] no message data [14:24] not even a sender [14:26] kenvandine: in get_messages in init that message shouldnt be there [14:26] would be interesting to dump all the messages send out there [14:26] to see why the time sorting doesnt work [14:27] ok [14:27] i will do that first [14:27] the traceback was bugging me :) [14:30] what i could imagine is that there is a bogus time somewhere [14:30] that can bust up the whole sorting if it breaks strict order properties [14:33] and if thats the case the order how stuff gets inserted could make a difference [14:33] re [14:33] ok, empathy bug list cleaned now [14:34] which probably happened by the idle_handler refactoring [14:38] asac, ccheney, kenvandine, pitti, Riddell, seb128 - what's the word on the street? [14:39] rickspencer3! [14:39] good morning [14:39] rickspencer3, nothing to signal there I would say [14:39] hey rickspencer3, good morning [14:39] things look good [14:39] all quiet here [14:39] except.. OMG!!! [14:39] quiet ... too quiet [14:39] * rickspencer3 eerie music [14:39] rickspencer3, asac did some nice threading fixes to gwibber :) [14:40] kenvandine, lol - just as you said that I was closing a gwibber apport window [14:40] in mozilla we found out that we compile system sqlite with wrong flags :/ [14:40] arg, so need to rebuilt mozilla? is this a security issue? [14:40] no i told them that we cant do that for release [14:40] needs a carefuly SRU [14:40] grrr [14:40] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/457791 [14:40] Launchpad bug 457791 in firefox "Build sqlite3 with SQLITE_SECURE_DELETE" [Unknown,Confirmed] [14:41] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445164 [14:41] Mozilla bug 445164 in Private Browsing "Private data not properly cleared from SQLite database" [Major,New] [14:41] i dont feel comfortable to just pump that into our libsqlite without thorough testing. [14:41] its not really breakage of functionality though [14:41] "just" privacy concerns [14:42] seems people there care about gwibber rather than karmic nowadays [14:42] ;-) [14:43] asac, it looks like replies might be messing up the ordering [14:43] at first glance of the data [14:43] * kenvandine needs more coffee.. bbiaf [14:47] rickspencer3: pleasingly good, we got some fresh faces for the ISO testing round and no problems found that we didn't already know [14:47] Riddell, great news [14:47] good buzz in the blogosphere regarding Karmic Kubuntu [14:53] kenvandine: replies have a differnt time format? [14:54] hello [14:54] hi baptistemm [14:54] Hi asac [14:54] is there a way to remove piding from indicator-applet as I don't use it? [14:54] hi baptistemm [14:54] hi chrisccoulson [14:55] baptistemm, disable the indicator option in pidgin or uninstall it [14:55] hey baptistemm btw [14:55] heya [14:55] or ask tedg [14:57] baptistemm: The command line way is "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist ; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/pidgin ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist" Long paths. [14:58] ah thanks :) [14:58] tedg, do you have a stock reply for it yet? ;-) [14:59] seb128: heh, actually the first time I've been asked :) [14:59] I just doubt someone could use both but I'm certainly wrong [15:00] I use both [15:00] I'd tend to think using one should remove the other :) [15:00] or rather I try to use empathy but it annoys me I go back to pidgin [15:00] so I'm wrong [15:00] +when [15:01] baptistemm: Yes, but the solution there is that we shouldn't INSTALL both. :) [15:01] tedg, we don't [15:01] tedg, we just don't uninstall on upgrade [15:01] seb128: Effectively we do as I'm sure most of our users are upgrades. [15:01] It is true I upgraded from the previous version [15:01] now empathy is the default client? [15:02] asac, no but looking at the list those are the ones out of order [15:02] after the sort [15:02] which is very weird [15:02] tedg, we should ask users to reinstall, less upgrade issues ;-) [15:02] baptistemm, yes [15:02] debugging something else now... will get back to it [15:02] baptistemm - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#GNOME :) [15:02] kenvandine: do you have a dump of the messages you culd paste? [15:02] asac, yeah but it is huge [15:02] hang on [15:03] seb128: Hmm, I'm thinking that if you get that policy past mvo will buy you a cookie :) [15:03] thanks [15:03] i reinstalled this cycle [15:04] two cookies and a banana [15:04] but i normally upgrade [15:04] i upgraded through 4 releases without a reinstall:) [15:05] pitti: is karmic-proposed open for pocket copy already? when do we xpect that to happen? [15:05] my old laptop is upgraded all the way from warty to hardy - then intel came along and rewrote the x driver so hard that the good old i830 is a pain on anything newer than hardy [15:06] asac: it's open for uploads (unapproved), but you can't actually put anything into it yet (thus no pocket copying) [15:06] asac: it will open after final release [15:06] hmm ok [15:07] thx [15:08] chrisccoulson, I should try once the pitti's way [15:08] reinstalling while keeping the user dir [15:08] asac, gonna email it... firefox is hosed here [15:08] oh [15:08] i think bindwood is making it hang [15:08] dont tell me that ;) [15:08] that is what i am looking at now :) [15:08] I do that several times per release [15:08] kenvandine: with the new bug fixes? [15:08] I never dir I don't trust the thing to not wipe my datas [15:08] yes [15:08] I need to do backups of everything before trying [15:08] asac, new bug fixes make it not screw up your bookmarks :) [15:08] seb128: I have a separate /home, but reinstalling with not wiping data works well, too [15:08] but is making it hang [15:09] asac, so the time issue in gwibber [15:09] seb128: you just need to ensure to do manual partitioning and _not_ format the root partition [15:09] it is somehow client related [15:09] good [15:09] pitti, that they say! I read too many bugs to ignore that software can behave strangly sometime for one user ;-) [15:09] still pasting... [15:09] thx [15:09] seb128 - my karmic install was a fresh install but keeping my old /home [15:09] seb128: I don't know what you are talking about :) [15:09] asac, so when changing views in the client, it is changing the time [15:09] but i did have a backup of /home in case the install erased it ;) [15:09] and they aren't all the same format [15:10] pitti, jedi wave, *there is no such things as bugs in ubuntu* [15:10] I wish t reinstall my laptop to have ext4 [15:10] so on first run, when the messages are put together the times are right and the order is correct [15:10] seb128: but a backup is a good idea either way; HDs suck [15:10] right [15:10] does grub2 is installed for new installation in karmic? [15:10] asac, but then if you switch views a couple times the backend sees the times like this [15:10] * pitti hugs rsnapshot [15:10] baptistemm: yes [15:11] 1256197865 [15:11] 1256080120.0 [15:11] 2009-10-16 22:19:35.00 [15:11] asac, i added a for look in get_messages that prints message["time"] [15:12] when get_messages gets run the first time they are all right [15:12] then when i click around in the UI, get_messages gets called again and the time formats vary [15:12] so look at populate_view and update_view in client.py [15:12] see what they are doing to it [15:12] * kenvandine goes back to bindwood and u1 folks [15:12] kenvandine: you sure only on client side? [15:13] kenvandine: yes. go back [15:13] yeah... well clicking around in the client changes the message_store i guess [15:13] like changing the times, no idea why it would do that [15:13] i doubt the client itself is changing the times, but it is calling some method that is doing bad things :) [15:14] email coming your way now [15:15] pitti, why does rsnapshot depends on openssh-server? [15:15] baptistemm: it recommends it, I guess because it's meant to do pull-style backups from clients [15:16] I don't use it that way, though; I rsnapshot locally into /var/backups/, and rsync that to my server in a cron job [15:16] apt-get wants me to install openssh-server :) [15:16] baptistemm: --no-install-recommends [15:17] you don't already have openssh-server installed? [15:17] that's the first thing i install on a fresh install [15:17] me too :) [15:17] same here [15:18] I only have one computer [15:18] baptistemm - me too, but i can SSH from my G1 if things get really bad [15:19] and i also use SSH between virtual machines a lot as well [15:19] chrisccoulson: hah, thats's what I do as well (G1) [15:19] in the times when X used to freeze very often [15:19] I don't have G1 nor VM, I'm just a dumb user [15:19] also, I told my router to open port 22, so that people (or me) can access my box from outside [15:20] baptistemm: yes, nevermind; if you don't need it, don't install it [15:20] pitti - i don't open my router at the moment, but i used to [15:20] :) [15:20] it's amazing how many brute force attempts you get on port 22 ;) [15:20] chrisccoulson: yeah, for that reason I changed the default port on my server [15:20] yeah, my synology showed me that too [15:20] asac, i just sent you more informative output [15:20] daemon.log.bz2 [15:21] kenvandine: email? thx [15:21] pitti - i ran IPCop for years on an old PC, and that used to have 10-20 brute force attacks per day [15:21] you will notice there are more than one dumps of data [15:21] yes [15:21] i will see ;) [15:21] and after each print of data, there are lines printing each time [15:21] so each time you see data printed is when i changed the view [15:21] in the client [15:21] you will see the times get screwy [15:22] like some of them are 18000.0 [15:22] but when it starts they are all nicely ordered :) [15:24] pitti, if you want to enhanced the rsnapshot package one's can uncomment "#cmd_cp /bin/cp" in the default configuration [15:25] I can look at it tonight [15:25] interesting [15:25] I want to setup proper backup [15:25] my home dir doesn't have any of those fancy things (pipes, etc.), though [15:25] we should enable that by default on our package, though [15:26] we know that we are on linux and have GNU cp, after all [15:26] (in debian) [15:26] yep [15:27] hmm, flash player in firefox seems to be broken after last update [15:28] kenvandine: ok. where exactly did you print those timestamps? [15:28] just bzr diff will be enough i think so i can see what place you got those odd formatted things from [15:29] asac, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/299090/ [15:30] ok so on backend side [15:33] kenvandine: http://pastebin.com/f7825b5a4 [15:34] though the 18000.0 feels like its coming from somewhere else [15:34] maybe a bad time from some online service if we are lucky [15:34] asac, but that wasn't in there the first pass [15:35] and it worries me that there are multiple formats of dates [15:35] kenvandine: i think flickr is really broken [15:35] just tested it [15:35] oh [15:35] mx.DateTime.DateTimeFrom(int(123123)).gmtime() [15:35] [15:35] i see your diff [15:35] and with ticks [15:35] mx.DateTime.DateTimeFrom(int(123123)).gmtime().ticks() [15:35] 119523.0 [15:36] i am not sure if "t" is in ticks in the first place and if this needs normalization somehow [15:36] but should be a good start [15:36] maybe its even [15:36] it should be ticks [15:36] well going in i am not sure [15:37] but that is just in parse_time, should be used for display right? [15:37] kenvandine: he other date function used is DateTimeFromTicks [15:37] kenvandine: pares_time is used to set ["time"[ [15:37] if its used elsewhere we can also do [15:38] http://pastebin.com/f4b258313 [15:38] ok, well we assume ticks everywhere else [15:38] good. so we should actually do [15:38] http://pastebin.com/f7cf3cae [15:38] kenvandine: ^ [15:38] try that maybe [15:39] if that gives you reasonable time displayed and proper sorting [15:39] i am [15:39] good [15:39] kenvandine: also the last one? e.g. with DateFromTicks? [15:40] * asac waits for a confirm before pushing [15:41] i did that [15:41] works much better [15:42] and they all stay in order now and the times don't get tweaked [15:42] however... after changing the view the last 5 times printed are 18000.0 [15:42] and they are not from flickr [15:42] kenvandine: can you find what backend that is? [15:43] i think we have one more place busted :) [15:43] yeah [15:43] looking [15:43] pushed flickr (rev 473) [15:43] ah! [15:43] digg [15:44] * kenvandine looks at the code [15:46] asac: hey [15:46] digg uses some odd way ... probably should be done in same way [15:46] not really looking, so if you see it fix it ;) [15:47] dobey: hi [15:47] asac: any idea how one might determine why firefox doesn't have all my passwords in it that i told it to remember, and which used to be there and working fine in 3.0? [15:47] dobey: first step is disabling all extensions to see if that breaks something [15:48] if you have any extension besides from what we ship by default [15:48] dobey: why do you think it doesnt remember? is it that it just doesnt fill the form or have you looked in the db to see they are not there? [15:49] aka in preferences -> security -> saved passwords [15:49] all extensions are disabled [15:49] asac: it didn't fill in the form, and it wasn't in the saved passwords dialog [15:49] it was saved in 3.0, but now that i'm having to use 3.5, it's no longer there [15:51] dobey: and if you save the password again it doesnt work? [15:51] or just migration issue? [15:52] well i don't recall the password right now, so i can't just go save it again [15:52] which is why i saved it in the first place [15:52] dobey: ok. so what i think happened is this: a) you installed firefox-3.5 in the past [15:52] and kept on using 3.0 [15:53] then you got asked when we made 3.5 default if you want to migrate your settings [15:53] well, karmic installed 3.5 in the past, and i saw it was not my desired experience, so i continued using 3.0 yes [15:53] you either said yes or no ... but that doesnt matter. in case you added that password afterwards its in your firefox-3.0 profile [15:53] because we didnt migrate another time [15:53] i never got asked if i wanted my settings migrated [15:53] there's a different profile? [15:54] dobey: ls -l ~/.mozilla/ ... paste that please [15:54] dobey: yes. 3.0 and 3.5 are different profiles. you definitly got asked if you installed firefox-3.5 before we made it the default [15:54] but paste that [15:55] [dobey@lunatari:run-tree]: ls ~/.mozilla [15:55] appreg default/ extensions/ firefox/ mozver.dat plugins/ [16:03] dobey: yeah. then you didn tuse ffox 3.5 before it was the default [16:03] dobey: so that might be a bug from going back and forth [16:03] the version [16:03] dobey: you can check out the db directly to see if your password is in there [16:04] signons.sqlite [16:04] in profile [16:05] dobey: open that file in sqlite3 and run select hostname from moz_logins; [16:05] see if that hostname is there [16:05] dobey: if not check if its in signons.txt [16:05] ok [16:06] dobey: signons3.txt [16:06] dobey: i what i would do is to backup your whole .mozilla profile and remove the .sqlite file from profile before starting [16:07] most likely your passwords were added to signons3.txt in ffox 3 after you first ran ffox 3.5 which created the .sqlite from your signons3.txt at that time [16:07] ok [16:07] so removing the sqlite will create it again with the latest [16:11] ok, removing the sqlite file seems to have fixed it [16:11] thanks [16:17] np [16:18] asac, i just pushed the digg fix [16:18] digg and flickr have been broken for ages i guess, i think your sorting fixes brought it to the surface :) [16:18] well i mean your sort is better :) [16:20] kenvandine: the threading fixes i guess ;) [16:20] yup [16:20] probably all for the better :) [16:20] kenvandine: thanks. so we are good for a new release ... want to wait for one more daily run to get some feedback? [16:20] give me a few [16:20] looking at something [16:22] ok, i think it is good [16:23] asac, go for it [16:26] asac, how about merging the quit branch? [16:26] asac, opposed? [16:27] actually hold on, don't push anything yet maybe your threading fixes fixed my shutdown problem [16:28] kenvandine: ctrl+c works now [16:28] so most likeyl it works good [16:28] kenvandine: i wasnt sure if we wnt to do the quit branch [16:28] kenvandine: i think if we want to do that we should fix that using the window close thing [16:28] we should go to tray rather than closing [16:28] otherwise you wont get notifications if the ui is closd [16:28] no you will [16:28] imo we can do that if you want [16:28] kenvandine: huh? [16:29] closing the window doesn't kill the daemon [16:29] gwibber-daemon isnt running if we close UI ... right? [16:29] hmm [16:29] only quit does [16:29] kenvandine: sure that we dont run through the same quit code? [16:29] if so it looked fine. [16:29] * kenvandine looks again, but is certain he accounted for that [16:30] kenvandine: otoh, i think that all daemon bustage issues should be fixed now by threading. i think that the multithreading access to self.messages in the operation result handler was the painful thing that caused havoc [16:30] anyway. if the quit thing isnt run on window close thats fine [16:30] and something i would think we want [16:44] !ops [16:44] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [16:44] !staff [16:44] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [16:44] sigh [16:44] cytotoxic: what? [16:45] wow lag [16:45] Hobbsee: guy is going to every ubuntu channel calling for ops, trying to get klined [16:46] Amaranth: yeah, i noticed after i asked. [16:46] Hobbsee: Expect him in devel and motu as well [16:46] already been in devel [16:46] he already hit devel [16:47] and now -meeting [16:48] cassidy, http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24524 [16:49] cassidy, is there a GNOME bug about that? [16:49] Freedesktop bug 24524 in tp-glib "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Normal,Resolved: notourbug] [16:49] seb128, don't think so; feel free to open one [16:49] cassidy, ok thanks [16:54] hmm [16:54] launchpad is telling me I'm not allowed to see bug 458086 but I'm subscribed to it (getting bugmail) [16:54] Bug 458086 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/458086 is private [16:55] Amaranth - i can't view it either [16:55] it's wierd that you're getting bug mail though [16:55] it actually has a compiz task open [16:57] are you subscribed to ubuntu-reviews@? 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[16:57] *sigh* [16:57] staying on this time [16:57] Amaranth: I can't see it [16:58] somebody unsubscribed ubuntu-bugcontrol from the bug [16:58] so you won't get any more mail [16:58] asac, so my quit code wasn't getting run on window close, but looking at that uncovered window visibilty toggling bugs [16:58] asac, i'll fix that [16:58] james_w: d'oh [16:58] asac, the on_window_close method wasn't connected to anything [16:58] and there is no compiz task [16:58] hrm, I thought bryce_ said he added one [16:59] I wonder why it is private anyway [17:00] it's not been retraced yet [17:07] retracers crash all the time these days due to LP timeouts [17:07] mvo, do you have any gnome-app-install upload planned for karmic? [17:07] bug #456757 [17:07] Launchpad bug 456757 in policykit-gnome "Missing .mo translations files into the (now in universe) policykit-gnome and gnome-app-install packages" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456757 [17:07] they need rebuilds to not be stripped from the mo files [17:08] since they moved to universe [17:10] seb128: no, but I can do that [17:10] mvo, you could perhaps to a po update upload? [17:10] ok [17:10] ie get a rosetta export and upload? [17:10] mvo, thanks ;-) [17:11] * mvo prepares the upload [17:11] seb128: perfect task before going for dinner :) [17:11] I guess that's the visible one, there is no reason to use polkit-gnome on karmic [17:11] mvo, ;-) [17:15] seb128: at some point we should probably just remove all the old cruft (gnome-volume-manager, gnome-mount, policykit-gnome); but right now, blueman and gnome-lirc-properties still need them [17:15] uh, and libgksu-polkit0 (which should die along; we have pkexec) [17:16] pitti, right [17:20] could I get a review of http://pastebin.ca/1637611 please? [17:32] james_w: from reading the diff it looks good to me (haven't actually tried it); thanks for working on this! [17:32] I'm a bit torn whether it's adequate for a post-RC update, though [17:35] yeah [17:35] I don't like it being this late [17:35] I've tried to minimise the changes and the impact as much as possible, but still... [17:37] james_w: btw, we'll break translations either way, due to how translation export -> rosetta -> langpacks work [17:37] but we can fix that in the first langpack SRU [17:38] with your careful patch they will at least immediately be imported into Rosetta [17:39] pitti, but if the translations would get imported before the langpack export tonight, it would be transparent, wouldn't it? [17:39] (for those languages there was a translation of the string for) [17:39] dpm: it starts at 2200 or finishes at 2200? [17:39] james_w: I think you should upload it to the queue, and I'll talk to slangasek [17:40] pitti, it starts at 22:00 IIRC, ArneGoetje^? [17:41] pitti: ok, I'll upload right now [17:41] thanks [17:41] and thank you dpm [17:41] dpm: ArneGoetje is off sick; but I think "starts" is correct [17:41] james_w, no worries, thank you for caring about translations :) [17:42] also, I checked ubuntu-docs and they already point to gnome-about-me for changing your own password [17:42] so I don't think this breaks that either [17:43] pitti, yeah, "start" (Arne was in for a bit today) -> hi people, how long today translations will be accepted? [17:43] peteris: shortly before 22:00 UTC === davidbarth is now known as davidbarth-afk [18:05] has anyone tried USB creator lately? [18:06] seems someone ran into bug #458334 [18:06] Launchpad bug 458334 in usb-creator "Fails repeatably with "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458334 [18:06] rickspencer3: I'm using it all the time; last time was yesterday [18:06] pitti, good to hear [18:09] rickspencer3, works fine there too I used it yesterday [18:09] thanks guys! === jono is now known as crimsun === crimsun is now known as jono [18:28] TheMuso: so do we need the keyboard bell for anything a11y related? [18:43] chrisccoulson: I assigned bug 388250 to you, you seem to work on it (all milestoned bugs need an assignee now, or need to become unmilestoned) [18:43] Launchpad bug 388250 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gdk_x_error()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388250 [18:43] chrisccoulson: did you see Steve's last reply about the dupe which has a trace? [18:44] kenvandine: bug 442120> is there a package being prepared? [18:44] Launchpad bug 442120 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442120 [18:45] is there a straightforward way to reset my panel to the default layout? [18:45] mdz, yeah, one sec [18:46] gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel [18:46] pitti - thanks. i'm still waiting on more info from slangasek on that one [18:47] chrisccoulson: ah, ok; the bug looks like he's waiting on an answer from you [18:47] yeah, we've been discussing it on IRC. i should probably leave a comment on the bug too [18:48] mdz, you might want to back up first [18:48] halfline, thanks [18:48] kenvandine, always ;-) [18:48] gconftool --dump /apps/panel > panel.dump [18:48] and to restore gconftool --load < panel.dump [18:55] mdz, did that get you the session applet? [19:05] kenvandine, nope [19:06] humm [19:06] did you restart the panel? [19:06] kenvandine, I suppose I should try booting UNR from USB to check [19:06] kenvandine, yes [19:06] lool, ^^ [19:06] lool, ideas? [19:06] hearing from lool that it works for him in a fresh install would ease my mind [19:08] kenvandine: let me know when you think your -quit fixes are ready. thanks [19:08] asac, will do [19:09] asac, well my quit fix is fine [19:09] but in checking the window close behavior, i found that it isn't hooked up to do what it should do if you are using the status icon [19:09] asac, should have that fixed in a few [19:09] pitti, kenvandine: do you guys think i should try to apply for ubuntu membership for the next round? [19:09] mdz, i am downloading unr now [19:09] very good [19:10] dobey, yeah [19:10] asac, the status icon case right now is very broken :/ [19:10] mdz, but looking at unr gconf defaults and package manifest, it should be there [19:10] mdz, do you have indicator-applet-session installed? [19:11] * dobey will look into that :) [19:11] it is in the manifest for the cd [19:11] kenvandine, I do [19:11] ok... we need lool [19:11] or my download to finish... in 3 hours :/ [19:11] I will make a USB key and check it myself [19:11] ok [19:12] mdz please let me know [19:16] the new accessibility logo totally looks like the burning man logo [19:17] s/logo/icon/ [19:17] :) [19:20] kenvandine: status icon case? [19:20] yeah [19:20] mdz: the davinci thing? [19:21] if you aren't using the indicator [19:21] kenvandine, it's there in the live session [19:21] mdz, great [19:21] not sure why it isn't working for you :) [19:21] that is strange [19:21] unsetting it should [19:21] dobey: oh, sure! [19:23] pitti: cool, thanks :) [19:30] kenvandine: if you can describe the symptoms a bit more explicit i can check if i find it later tonight [19:34] is there an IRC channel for the shipit team? [19:40] i have it fixed [19:40] asac, ^^ [19:41] testing all the cases now [19:41] cool [19:46] asac: pushing now [19:52] asac: pushed to trunk [19:52] but i did my merge backwards, so revision is now 470 :/ [19:52] collapsed your's down into a merge [19:59] yay for RC! === asac_ is now known as asac [20:08] kenvandine: thats bad habit ;) [20:08] kenvandine: cant you uncommit ? [20:08] i could... but then i would have to push that [20:09] i'll do that [20:09] kenvandine: well. we moved backwards [20:09] i think within 5 minutes its ok [20:09] even though ugly [20:09] ;) [20:09] pitti, bug 441210 [20:09] Launchpad bug 441210 in xsplash "boot and gdm "wallpaper" is not dithered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441210 [20:09] i think there was some kind of way to configure bzr branches to not allow that kind of thing [20:10] that should be the default :) [20:10] kind of a ugly feature imo [20:10] yeah [20:13] yeah i think uncommitting is really better. the dailies already picked up the 473 [20:13] https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages [20:16] kenvandine: hi [20:16] kenvandine: need sponsoring? [20:16] pitti, yeah... not sure how critical it is [20:17] but seems harmless [20:17] and should make it smaller :) [20:18] oh? Mat told me it'd get bigger [20:18] it is a bigger image [20:18] but only one [20:18] james_w: bug 307019 has a s-t-b task as well, does that need to be changed for this? [20:18] Launchpad bug 307019 in gnome-system-tools "ecryptfs Private directory not mounted after changing password in users-admin" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307019 [20:18] removed all the sized ones [20:19] kenvandine: was that tested in different screen resolutions? [20:19] bratsche, ^^ [20:19] not that next time someone comes along and says it looks ugly when being scaled [20:20] asac, can you just overwrite with your branch? [20:20] backing out this way is painful :) [20:21] pitti, kenvandine: I tested it at 1680x1050 and 1600x1200 [20:21] humm [20:21] should get it tested on a netbook [20:21] should be fine though [20:23] should be tested at 1024x768 in kvm and on a widescreen [20:24] 1680x1050 is a widescreen isn't it? [20:24] Or maybe not. [20:25] ah, yes [20:25] * kenvandine tests in kvm [20:25] I'm currently reviewing the unapproved queue (46 uploads, ugh), that'll still take me a while [20:25] Sorry to dump this one on you guys at the last minute. I had forgotten about it since I moved on to Lucid stuff, and mt just reminded me this morning. [20:27] kenvandine: yes [20:28] kenvandine: oh the problem is that the branch has no problem with that [20:28] as it thinks all is fine [20:29] pitti, bratsche: working fine in kvm at 1024x768 [20:29] kenvandine: so what we can do is rename branch and push ... not sure if ryan kills us ;) [20:30] that is fine... unless he is working on it right now [20:30] which isn't likely :) [20:30] ok [20:30] your branch is still at 473? [20:30] 474 [20:30] yes [20:30] ok [20:30] good [20:30] :) [20:30] go for it :) [20:30] let me rename and push again [20:30] thx [20:30] and hope that the lp:gwibber doesnt get auto moved [20:31] so yes [20:31] it happened [20:31] lp:gwibber is now "merged.backup" [20:32] and we are probably not driver so we can retpoint [20:32] anyway...pushing and then trying to fix the series [20:33] ok [20:33] kenvandine: ok should be there now [20:33] pitti, also bug 456024 [20:33] Launchpad bug 456024 in evolution-couchdb "Cannot delete multiple (potentially any) contacts from Ubuntu One Couch DB address book" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456024 [20:33] kenvandine: and i was able to fix series [20:33] woot [20:33] * kenvandine merges again [20:34] kenvandine: take care ;=) [20:36] kenvandine: oh. all the merge requests have moved to the backup location [20:36] 8 in total [20:36] guess we should go through and rerequest [20:38] pushed r475 [20:38] i'll fix the merge requests :) [20:38] thx [20:39] grat [20:39] ok let me check [20:40] i will poke it a bit and then upload if you dont say you found a bug [20:40] asac, i think it is pretty solid [20:40] definately no worse than it was :) [20:41] pitti, i didn't target 456024 [20:41] what do you think about that one? [20:52] kenvandine: seems low-prio, but the patch is reasonably small; I guess yuo tested it already? or still investigating? [20:52] pitti, (or anyone else), I want to make sure I understand this correctly. The language packs being exported today, they are the ones which are going to be included in the ISOs, aren't they? [20:52] dpm: corretc [20:52] pitti, thanks [20:52] (more correct than my spelling, anyway) [20:53] correct enough for me to understand it :-) [20:55] pitti, yes i tested it with a couple contacts [20:55] seemed to work as advertised [20:55] pitti, should i milestone it? [20:55] kenvandine: let's just upload it [20:56] but I let Steve accept that one [20:56] ok [20:56] thx [20:56] seems worth it [21:00] kenvandine: please subscribe me to the two bugs when they are ready, I'll sponsor them when I'm done with queue poking [21:03] ok [21:14] kenvandine: hmm, did you uncommit on bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/evolution-couchdb/ubuntu/ ? [21:14] kenvandine: I was pulling, and got "diverged" [21:14] nope [21:14] ah, probably I forgot to push the "releasing version 0.3.2-0ubuntu1" change, sorry [21:15] np [21:25] kenvandine: evo-couchdb uploaded [21:26] thx [21:28] mdz, kenvandine: Sorry was away for dinner [21:29] lool, as you should be at that time of the evening ;-) [21:29] So indicator session > the only difference should be that we dont have gdm-guest-session [21:30] mdz: Is there a bug with the indicator session issue? [21:31] pitti: it does not need to be changed with this fix. [21:31] kenvandine, lool, what is supposed to happen when you select 'New session...' from the session indicator? [21:31] (for me, it just turned on the screensaver) [21:31] mdz: Gah it's supposed NOT to be there [21:31] I guess indicator-session doesn't support lack of guest session [21:33] mdz: The screensaver turning on is just an effect of screen being locked to switch to the other session, but as the guest session isn't there it fails [21:33] oh... that is bad [21:33] It's really easy to add gdm-guesst-session support to UNR, it just didn't make sense to we excluded it [21:33] New session... should be hidden if guest isn't there [21:34] But it's probably the least intrusive fix [21:34] that would be easier than fixing indicator-session [21:34] tedg, ^^ [21:34] Yes, less intrusive [21:35] We check to see if CK reports that user switching is available, can't you just tell CK that? [21:36] mdz: Actually on a startx session I dont see New session (which is correct) [21:36] This is not about guest session actually [21:36] This is about switching user [21:37] Which probably doesn't work if there is no other user or something along these lines [21:37] lool, I saw it in the live session [21:37] I don't see it in a normal session [21:41] In a live session, I see switch user which returns to an useless gdm [21:43] * lool quickly reinstalls in virtualbox [21:44] mdz: Did you see "New session" in a live session or "Switch user"? I only see the latter [21:44] lool, "New session" I saw in the live session [21:44] "Switch user" I see in my session right now [21:45] Odd I can't reproduce New session in a live session [21:45] curious [21:47] hey guys [21:47] i need help [21:48] i want to modify the session from a terminal [21:48] as in gdm should not automatically log in [21:48] hi, try #ubuntu for user question [21:50] kenvandine: do you know the status of bug 423383 ? [21:50] Launchpad bug 423383 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-client-applet crashed with AttributeError in from_token_and_callback()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423383 [21:50] dobey: ^ or you? [21:50] no i don't [21:50] kenvandine: bug 442120 seems like we just need a cherrypick? [21:50] Launchpad bug 442120 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442120 [21:51] pitti: it's a server "semi-issue" [21:51] * kenvandine checks with chad [21:54] dobey: ok, so can be fixed independently from the u1 package? good [21:55] pitti: it's a timeout threshold setting in python-oauth in the OAuthServer class, that gets compared against [21:55] pitti: for that specific bug anyaywa [21:56] pitti, that dc fix wasn't uploaded, but they are preparing another one now [22:05] tedg - does the indicator-applet need libgnomeui for anything? [22:06] chrisccoulson: I think it uses it for the libpanel stuff? Honestly, that's part of the panel-applet boilerplate stuff that I'm not too familiar with. [22:06] oh, ok. the only reason i ask is because it means that it connects to the session manager [22:07] and if you do session saving, it gets saved in the session, and supplies a bogus restart command [22:07] so gnome-session spits out a warning on subsequent logins that it can't start indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session [22:08] chrisccoulson: Hmm, seems we should be able to avoid that. Probably too late for Karmic though. [22:08] chrisccoulson: We might have put session stuff in when it was "FUSA" more directly, and not pulled it out when we pulled that code out. [22:09] yeah, i think the FUSA might have done this too [22:09] not using libgnomeui would be ideal (if it's not used for anything else). it doesn't seem to make sense for applets to connect to the session manager anyway [22:09] good night everyone [22:09] 'night pitti [22:09] but the alternative is to set the RestartStyleHint to RestartNever, so it never gets saved [22:09] 'night pitti [22:11] tedg - thinking about, the old FUSA had to do this, as it originally used GnomeClient to log out anyway [22:11] but that's not necessary now:) [22:11] Yeah, I'm wondering if there's some stale code in there. [22:12] tedg - i think so, but that's for next cycle now [22:18] 21:42 < lifeless> asac: bzr help configuration, look for append_only [22:18] kenvandine: ^^ [22:19] oh... cool [22:19] hmmm ... terminal behaviour is a bit odd for bzr configuration ;) ... cannot scroll up [22:19] ah ... term was just busted [22:20] append_revisions_only [22:20] If set to "True" then revisions can only be appended to the log, not [22:20] removed. A branch with this setting enabled can only pull from [22:20] another branch if the other branch's log is a longer version of its [22:20] own. [22:25] tedg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bugs [22:25] tedg, could use some triaging looking at the list [22:27] pitti: I don't think so, but others might. [22:38] rodrigo_, kenvandine: do you watch evolution-couchdb bug list on launchpad to see private crashers? [22:38] seb128: yes, I think I get all evo-couchdb bugs [22:38] rodrigo_, launchpad doesn't email about private bugs [22:39] hmm, it doesn't? [22:39] all ubuntu one server bugs are private, I think, and I get notifications for those [22:39] well, I think so [22:39] seb128: is there any bug we overlooked? [22:40] rodrigo_, not really, but evolution-data-server is crash land [22:40] there is over 130 bugs where there was 50 previous cycle [22:40] and a good part of those seems to be due to couchdb so I started reassigning [22:41] e-d-s itself, or evo-couchdb? [22:41] I wanted to make sure somebody will look at those [22:41] seb128: ok, yes, reassign them to me [22:42] rodrigo_, e-d-s is the binary crashing but it crashes in libebookbackendcouchdb.so calls [22:42] rodrigo_, I guess that makes the bug one on your side not in upstream e-d-s no? [22:43] seb128: yes, they're mine [22:43] rodrigo_, bug #451347 is one example [22:43] I guess I should watch e-d-s bug list then [22:43] Bug 451347 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/451347 is private [22:43] rodrigo_, would be nice, I'm cleaning a bit for now [22:43] watch evolution-couchdb for the ones I reassign [22:43] seb128: can't access that one, so yeah, please assign them all to me [22:44] so you don't have access to private bugs [22:44] not to evo-couchdb bugs, no [22:44] I guess it just allows access to the team members? [22:44] can you talk to pedro when he's around to see if you could get that? [22:44] ok [22:44] you are "rodrigo" on launchpad? [22:44] rodrigo-moya, I think [22:44] * rodrigo_ checks [22:45] yeah, rodrigo-moya [22:45] rodrigo_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-couchdb/+bugs [22:45] you should see some extra bugs now [22:45] ok [22:46] will look at them in the morning [22:46] thanks [22:46] there is no hurry anyway it's late to get updates in karmic now [22:47] right, but we want to fix those in updates post-karmic release :) [22:49] mdz: I tried on two different hosts and couldnt get "New session"; I did a full install in virtualbox too and it worked on the installed system too; I guess you had a hard to trigger heisenbug [22:51] kenvandine: ^ [22:52] lool, ok [22:52] thx [23:04] kenvandine: someone pointed me in your direction about an avatar bug in gwibber.. you know of it? [23:04] basically avatars don't appear [23:05] bug 455943 is one [23:05] Launchpad bug 455943 in gwibber "Avatars don't appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455943 [23:07] popey: only avatar coming through for me at present is the ubuntubug one [23:08] hey robert_ancell [23:09] same here czajkowski [23:12] popey: slightly ironic and confirmed bug, should I add a screen capture also ? [23:12] dunno, i suspect it's a dupe [23:13] can't imagine I'm the only one who has spotted it [23:13] popey: nope had this conversation last night in here [23:13] heh [23:14] seb128, hey [23:14] robert_ancell, how are you? [23:15] seb128, good, just on the phone to rick [23:15] oh k [23:15] do you have anything on your todolist for today? [23:16] seb128, can i get back to you in a sec [23:16] ok [23:17] seb128: do you run Evo? [23:17] and hi [23:17] hggdh, hey and yes [23:18] why? [23:18] seb128: cool. I was looking at gnome bug 595389 [23:18] Gnome bug 595389 in Miscellaneous "SQLite cache is code-forced to 100 pages, with performance implications to large folders.db" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595389 [23:18] and need volunteers for a test ;-) [23:19] interesting [23:19] but not for today, it's past midnight and the week has been busy [23:20] no prob. I expected you to say no tonight -- too late for you already [23:20] ie I'm waiting for robert_ancell to be there to chat with him and then all it a day [23:20] I will give a try to that later, you might want to ping pedro too tomorrow if he's around [23:21] :-) I will. I am going to go fishing for volunteers [23:23] hggdh, oh, it doesn't require a rebuild? [23:23] hggdh, what do you want to be tested? [23:24] see there robert_ancell_ will blame his isp again when he just want to have an excuse to not get tasks for the day ;-) [23:24] seb128: (1) stop Evo; (2) from a terminal run 'env CAMEL_SQLITE_DEFAULT_CACHE_SIZE=2000 evolution'; [23:24] (3) see if it feels faster [23:26] hggdh, hard to say [23:26] I don't find it too slughish usually [23:27] the difference will be on usage of the infamous folders.db, and will (I guess) heavily depend on how much email you have stored [23:28] for me, for example, it is strickingly faster on startup to scan all folders [23:28] the main annoyance in evo is that it doesn't do multi tasking well [23:29] ie if you do send&receive and start reading emails in a imap box it will often hang loading until it's done fetching a summary [23:29] ie you do have spam filtering on too you can be stucked for several minutes without it being able to fetch one email content [23:29] well, I am not sure what can be done in this case, since a connection to IMAP is already in use [23:29] I don't really have issues due to the indexes [23:30] OK. Back to spam -- you use spamassassin or bogofilter? [23:30] bogofilter [23:30] weird. I do not see that [23:31] oh, wait -- I use a lot of gmail, and it filters most of my spam [23:31] and my IMAP is local, so there is not much of network overhead [23:32] I get some hundred spams a day in my inbox [23:32] and imap is not local [23:32] I should try thunderbird just to see if handle that better [23:32] heh. I get about one spam per day... [23:32] <_Trinity_> has anyone gotten empathy doing voip to a msn client on windows? [23:32] try claws-mail also [23:33] or read how imap work to see if a client can open several connections [23:33] to read emails while updating indexes for example [23:33] _Trinity_, no but we don't enable msn av in karmic [23:33] IMAP should support it, its evo that does not [23:33] ok, what I though but I was not sure about your what can be done [23:34] well evo sort of do multi actions [23:34] it keeps fetching indexes while filtering spam there [23:35] the things is that if you do a few extra one, ie try to load some emails [23:35] you can get in an almost stucked state [23:35] I often have to cancel some actions to get it unstucked because it's trying to do everything for minutes without any move [23:35] if you tell it to forget about the email loading indexes loading etc unstuck [23:36] ok, enough work for today now [23:36] rickspencer3, robert_ancell: still on the phone there? [23:37] seb128, no, but we're chatting in irc [23:37] !!! [23:37] what's up? [23:37] robert_ancell, I'm waiting for you to ping me back to call it a day [23:37] robert_ancell's phone broke [23:37] seb128, sorry! [23:37] rickspencer3, I wanted to chat with robert before going to bed, he said he would come back to me after your call [23:37] bye bye [23:37] but he didn't [23:37] ok [23:37] seb128, sorry! [23:37] we're almost done [23:38] oh ok, you are doing your call over IRC [23:38] I though you finished the call and were just chatting now ;-) [23:38] seb128, done [23:38] seb128, well, now we're just stalling to annoy you [23:38] :) [23:38] lol [23:39] seb128, have a great weekend! [23:39] rickspencer3, I'm not annoyed but I'm tired ;-) [23:39] rickspencer3, thanks! [23:39] robert_ancell, alright I don't have a lot to say [23:39] seb128, just feel free to email me anything you think needs looking at any evening [23:39] robert_ancell, they might still accept some 2.28.1 update tomorrow [23:40] so you can try doing the few interesting one if you want [23:40] ie brasero seems to fix some bugs that would be nice to get fix in karmic [23:40] seb128, I had one question - bug 437167 [23:40] Launchpad bug 437167 in deskbar-applet "libdeskbar-tracker does not install the module at the right place" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437167 [23:40] gnome-utils too [23:40] if you want to do the update and try to get pitti to sponsor tomorrow [23:40] ok, will do [23:41] we will upload those as stable updates if they are not accepted otherwise [23:41] thanks [23:41] looking [23:41] not sure if this is gnome or not, not sure if needs a SRU or anything [23:42] robert_ancell, it's not in the default installation so should be ok [23:42] can you ping slangasek about it or drop an email to pitti? [23:42] seb128, ok, will do [23:42] or subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug [23:42] thanks [23:42] have a good friday and weekend! [23:43] seb128, you too! [23:43] * seb128 call it a week now, taking a holiday tomorrow [23:43] bye [23:43] bye