=== starcraft is now known as starcraftman === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [01:37] anyone around? I just wanted to say I'm ready to contribute to the "Ubuntu Community Learning Project" and I've signed up :D [01:38] hey d33d im here but real tired if want to aks anything :) [01:39] im in the same boat - i was just looking for someone to quiz me and approve me for the launchpad team? [01:39] they "quiz" - well more like "tell you how it is" in the fedora project when you want to be a contributor [01:40] d33d: well i cant approve you on LP team. but what you looking to help out with any particular area? [01:40] no, i like to teach. [01:40] and learn :D [01:40] okays. you got any areas your a boffin on?:) [01:42] lol well i'd say i at least know hot to use ubuntu. desktop and some server-side (ubuntu as a web app server)... [01:42] okay cool stuff. [01:42] and I'm learning python [01:42] hey BiosElement [01:42] just a smathering [01:43] Hey Saj0577. ^_^ [01:43] d33d: okays. well if you stick around im sure someone whos awake can talk to you a bit more heh :) as i said here if want to ask anything [01:45] doctormo, ping [01:45] d33d: pong [01:45] doctormo, I'm looking at the SystemAdminTopics classes and I'd like to help in anyway I can. I'd like to learn and critique :D [01:46] just says you're looking to attract people from IRC and various blogs (planets) :D [01:46] d33d, sounds great. [01:46] we can use all the help we can get. [01:46] hey cprofitt not see you there. [01:46] we are... [01:47] are there questions I can answer d33d ? [01:47] welcome d33d [01:48] not really - I think I'm just going to tackle these classes a bit this evening and get back to you - unless....you can approve me on LP [01:48] d33d: well il leave you with these people goodnight for now take care (and everyone else im here if need me but just chillen) [01:48] sure I'll approve you, sec [01:48] g55 [01:48] oops [01:48] Saj0577, peace out [01:48] I can do that d33d [01:49] lp is sooo slow [01:49] pleia2, is that your password? lol hope not. [01:49] If it was, it isn't anymore. Anyway, it's too short >.> [01:49] d33d: haha, no, switching windows in irssi [01:49] which perso are you d33d ? [01:49] Alex Lutz [01:49] sorry - should i change it to d33d instead? [01:49] approved [01:50] nah... it does not matter [01:50] why thank you Elizabeth Krumbach [01:50] :D [01:50] which is ??? [01:50] someone else processed it 3 seconds before I did [01:50] haha, that was pleia probably. [01:50] pleia2, i think did [01:50] cprofitt: I said I'd aprove him first ;) [01:50] I like you guys. [01:51] sorry... did not see that pleia2 [01:51] hehe, it's all good [01:51] this is a good community project. [01:51] you're all too nice :P [01:51] thanks d33d [01:51] let me know if you want a walk through with Moodle [01:52] doctormo, or BiosElement can help with asciidoc [01:52] pleia2, with IRC [01:52] * Saj0577 hopes cprofitt does not give him them fab videos to look at lol [01:52] actually - probably - no familiarity with moodle at all - however, i have to travel home first. :D [01:53] Yep, I'm around to help with asciidoc/bazaar if you need it. Though I may be a tad slow as I'm running basically on dialup. [01:53] I'm also a fedora project contributor - but they make it so freakin' hard to get around. [01:53] there's like 12 different websites for 3 things. Its just confusing. [01:53] nah... I think that course has to go now Saj0577 [01:53] I doubt it's as bad as kde. I can't even find their mailing lists. >.> [01:53] not brining up fedora for "fightin" words. [01:54] BiosElement, lol. [01:54] mailing lists were easy to find. [01:54] good luck with that. [01:54] I had a nice time chatting with the fedora guys at the conference I went to this past week [01:54] d33d, I am a Fedora Ambassador [01:54] cprofitt: what a shame hehe. we need to make a new one you think is there one in process not bene on the site for a few days just been workingn on locla machine getting ideas together. [01:54] cprofitt, Same here. [01:55] Saj0577, yeah... we need a better one... [01:55] Saj0577, you from the UK? [01:55] Welcome d33d, sorry for the delay, setting up openldap here and we failed again, (6th week running) but we're very close! [01:55] d33d: sure am. [01:55] why? [01:55] doctormo, what issues are you having? [01:56] doctormo, ah the "trial and error method" [01:56] d33d: There's another method? >.> [01:56] Saj0577, never heard the term boffin - wikipedia filled me in :D [01:56] cprofitt: It logs on via ssh ok, but fails via gdm [01:57] BiosElement, no. its just the best method. because most likely you will fail, and learn a heck of a lot more than you would if it just "worked" [01:57] d33d: oright hehe. :P i will come up wit many terms trhat you probably think WHAT to while your here hehe. [01:57] good. I'll learn more UK terms, and use them here and people will be like WTF? [01:57] its good. [01:57] well - its time for me to depart for a bit, be back later [01:58] see ya d33d [01:58] OK, so it looks like we're heading out here [01:58] d33d: cya laters take care [01:58] d33d: Go through and pick a course, I'd be happy to have you aboard either writting one of the missing classes or editing existing ones. [02:00] whats the topic? i cnt see when next meeting is cos i use irssi it dont show it all [02:01] It still thinks the "next" meeting is on the 19th. I don't know when the next one is. >.> [02:01] oright thanks [02:03] yeah, we haven't planned one yet === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: TBD | Support in #ubuntu [02:04] okays. [02:04] i really should head ot bed soon lo [02:08] Saj0577: Previous meeting logs are here if you want them. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html [02:08] I'm actually just finally getting a chance to read through them. [02:09] BiosElement: thanks its on my to do list already lol [02:09] haha, great. [02:10] its one pretty big list right now hopefully weekend will help me reduce it lol [02:10] You should see my list...It's got over 700 entries. I never actually get a chance to read most of them :S [02:28] hrm, from the wiki: We are planning on two kinds of materials for a given course. The first is a set of materials which closely follow the lesson topics, including challanges, further information and so on, this is the standard course materials that will be conducted by a trainer. The second part is background materials, information about topics which people will need to understand in order to grasp what they are going to be doing in a l [02:28] esson. This could be generated information or information already present in the wiki and help documentation and some topics my only require one part. [02:28] is that still valid? [02:28] probably needs to be updated to include offline materials via asciidoc [02:29] or pdf i guess [02:36] I'm not sure how valid it is but I can tell you that as far as I know, it hasn't been taken into consideration with the asciidoc formatting. pleia2 would probably know better then I would. [02:44] It was written back at the start of the project, but i think it needs to change to cater for the offline options [02:44] BiosElement, I hear your the man for asciidoc, any chance you can prepare a tute on how it works [02:46] Vantrax: Well I could make a quick guide to it but the problem is without the proper formatting it won't be anything more then the commands to compile asciidoc and a link to the markup page. [02:47] what do you recommend then? [02:48] Well currently doctormo and I are holding everything up. And I'm waiting on doctormo's revised system so I can't do much. But I'll make up a quick Getting Started with AsciiDoc at least. [02:54] that would be a nice start [02:54] I know that people are interested in it, just dont really know alot about it yet [02:55] Yeah, I'm not quite sure where doctormo's at with it >.> [02:58] yeah, i havent been able to catch him for a few days [03:01] Well I've had a cold so I was rather outta it for a bit. >.< [03:01] Vantrax: this is a 'very' rough draft but it should help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/298730/ [03:02] I'm also working on a python script to compile asciidoc files so course creators won't ever have to actually enter commandline. [03:07] very nice, the easier it is the better it will be [03:09] Exactly. [03:10] sounds like you have it all sorted, nice work [03:12] Well that's the idea. Lemme know if you try it out. FYI that paste is a valid AsciiDoc file. [03:15] hrm, you reference pdf, but dont say how to export to pdf [03:17] Nope, it's a bit trickier but I did it a few times during testing. I just haven't re-installed the packages yet. [03:23] ok [03:23] just the first question i had after reading it [03:24] IIRC pdf's need converting asciidoc to latex and latex to pdf. But the results were good anyway. And apparently asciidoc to pdf support is also working but I don't remember how >.> [03:30] I'm back [03:34] welcome back d33d still here still not in bed i know lol [03:35] Saj0577, slacker. [03:35] hehe. [03:35] who wants to give me a tour of moodle? [03:35] one sec, i have to put my clothes back on. [03:36] JUST KIDDING. [03:36] * Saj0577 is worried [03:37] was it doc? [03:37] it was c profitt [03:38] cprofitt, are you awake? [03:41] yes [03:46] but headed off to sleep [03:46] night all [04:22] Wow, I've just noticed the Ars Technica comments are nearly slashdot/4chan quality...>.> I can see why they're reluctent to make linux posts often now... [04:32] the internet became a much better place when I decided to stop reading user comments [04:33] (I still do sometimes, usually regret it) [04:33] Heh, True. One "person" just claimed picasa had no linux alternative...Erm, I'm pretty sure picasa was ported and even if it wasn't digikam is awesome >.> [04:34] I quite like f-spot [04:34] and picasa for linux runs in a wine wrapper [04:34] you download the linux version from google, they put the wine wrapper on it [04:35] Eh, I "like" f-spot but it just kinda felt clunky for me. And I thought so. [04:35] yeah, I hear the clunky complaint about fspot a lot [04:37] Figures. Sad thing is I can't even think of anything to improve it. [04:40] Reading these comments reminds me of why I finally installed ubuntu. Lost the bloody driver disks. Ubuntu however doesn't have any problems. >.> [04:45] And I must admit, I never knew that nearly every single ars reader was an "open source developer and contributor". Strange that I've yet to read what projects they work on... *cough* [04:45] pleia2, BiosElement, do you have greasemonky? [04:45] paultag: I've used it, but I don't have it currently. Why? [04:46] nope [04:46] pleia2, BiosElement, http://www.julien-oster.de/projects/feyntube/ [04:46] pleia2, BiosElement, get greasemonky. The internet becomes better with that plugin [04:46] pleia2, BiosElement, turns all youtube comments into Richard Feyn quotes [04:46] hahaha [04:46] oohhh I like it [04:47] I don't use firefox :\ [04:47] brilliant :) [04:47] pleia2, aww [04:47] What 'do' you use pleia2? [04:47] pleia2, port greasemonky to browser x over there [04:47] BiosElement: the chromium linux build [04:47] pleia2: Ahh, Nice. I was playing with that before I swapped to kubuntu. [04:48] pleia2 same here [04:48] BiosElement: nice and fast with javascript rendering, which is nice because I spend most of my day in gmail and goog reader [04:49] pleia2: Yep. Only reason I didn't use it as primary was I have too many firefox extensions to go without. >.> [04:49] yeah, I never used many [04:52] It's a tad clunky on kde but not 'too' bad. I'm loving the technical basis of kde but if they don't get a good browser, it's not going to get far. >.< [14:46] Good morning Learn-eritos :) [15:41] hello swoody [15:41] how is the day treating you, doctormo ? [15:42] Well, I had a bit of a tricky heart, got up early (3am?) to get some asperin, but we were out. [15:42] doctormo, ouch, sorry to hear that :( [15:42] I wanted to make some breakfast to try and wake up some more, but the kitchen was a dump, so I had to just overhaul it (and I do mean, take everything off the counter, clean and put things back) [15:42] Still haven't eaten, lol [15:43] haha [15:43] well that stinks :/ [15:44] I started that at about 7am, just finished [15:44] wow, that sounds like it was fun ;) [15:45] but that's why I got myself a nice Greek girl ;) [15:45] she loves cooking, and takes out her stress from work by cleaning :D [15:45] Proving once again that I am the embodyment of light arseburgers and OCD all rolled into one package. [15:45] haha, well I'm sure it's in much better shape now [15:46] OK so my geeky _wife_ will cook, loves to, loves to bake and make the most amazing food. But has some kind of blind spot for tidy. [15:46] haha [15:46] oh goodie, do greek boys clean too? [15:46] Although she does go mental at me for moving things, even if the way I reorder things takes up 10% of the space. [15:46] pleia2, no idea, you'd have to ask one ;) [15:46] k [15:47] hehe [15:47] try #ubuntu-gr :D [15:47] I'm sure that would go over so well :) [15:47] haha, I could only imagine... [15:47] It would be an interesting social experiment. [15:54] haha, I think 'interesting' is an understatement, but I would like to witness it :) [15:55] pleia2, also, I want to thank you for your support and kind words last night :) [15:55] swoody: of course :) you do great work [15:56] well thank you. Coming from you, that's a very nice compliment :) [15:56] you're quite welcome [16:19] What happened last night? [16:20] swoody became an ubuntu member [16:29] Congratulations swoody [16:29] thank you doctormo :D [16:29] Now you can get a CD [16:29] :-P [16:31] a CD? [16:32] It's ok, it's a in joke with the LoCo contacts list [16:33] ah, ok :) [17:40] hello world [17:42] Saj0577, ping - come back and wake up [17:42] * ZachK_ imitates world, waves hello to d33d [17:42] ZachK_, hey what's up? [17:42] not much my mahn [17:43] do you know much about Bzr? [17:43] ah no [17:43] don't know what that [17:43] is [17:44] bazarr? [17:44] not familiar..know the name [17:44] ah. that's ok. [17:44] so ZachK_ what do you do? Where do you fit in to the #ubnuntu-learning crowd? [17:45] d33d, well doc work mainly..... [17:45] d33d, here's my wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zachk18 [17:45] ncie [17:52] ZachK_, can you explain zenix? [17:52] hello d33d and ZachK_ :) [17:53] swoody, waaasssuuupppp!!! (still love it after 9 years) [17:53] d33d, zenix? it's by bodhi_zazen ....what more do you need to know [17:53] d33d, haha, not too much, thank you :) [17:53] and you? [17:54] sorry - <=== newb? i need to know what it is. [17:54] ZachK_, Might i become a young padawan learner? [17:55] d33d, on what? [17:55] d33d, the bt team? [17:55] idk - just says you're a mentor on your wiki [17:55] oh.. [17:55] yeah, bt. i guess. [17:55] pm me [18:17] d33d: welcome back [18:20] doctormo, :D [18:21] d33d: So, what is it you would like to do? [18:22] doctormo, do i have to choose? [18:22] haha. [18:22] I want it ALL! [18:22] i'm a dirty american [18:31] doctormo, are you open to constructive criticisim? [18:43] doctormo, heading out for lunch however - I think something like this needs to be included when newbies are being taught the command line. http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2002/crapva.jpg [18:57] d33d: We can include something like that, I'd want to draw one slightly differently, but it's a good idea to include. [19:12] woot! my tiny toon adventures came through netflix! now for some serious unwinding. [20:41] so it looks like no one is doing the structuring of the content? [20:57] everyone is [20:57] we do it on the wiki, it evolves as people tweak it [20:57] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2009-October/000067.html [20:57] helps [21:27] pleia2, so for right now, are you still looking to just gather links for the 'How to Use Ubuntu' section? [21:28] Is there much else that I could tackle at this point? [21:28] swoody: that and we're starting to organize the sections some [21:29] it's all just ideas tossed up on a wiki right now, we want to start making the structure so it makes sense [21:29] pleia2, how do you mean? Just trying to avoid over-lap with the structure? [21:29] swoody: moving items around on the wiki [21:30] ah, ok. [21:30] if you want to start on the desktop topics, that's cool [21:31] pleia2, moving them around? I'm not quite sure what you're going for with that :/ [21:32] swoody: to have an actual structure for the course, right now the list is just a bunch of ideas [21:33] pleia2, ok, so you're looking to actually start creating 'outlines' for each topic? And fleshing them out a bit? [21:34] swoody: yep :) [21:34] pleia2, ah, ok. So basically just saying what's going to be in each topic? [21:36] well, the rough ideas tossed on the wiki now say what is going to be there, we're looking for actual structure now [21:36] like "desktop basics should go before how to use open office" [21:36] So say with 'handling files w/ command line' you'd just want the different commands that would be covered? [21:37] ah, ok. I think I get what you're saying :) [21:37] so you just want to re-organize it by what order topics should go in? [21:47] pleia2, are the topics set as they are, or might it be a good idea to merge a couple topics?... [21:47] like possibly including 'connecting to the internet' with 'Shopping, chatting, and email'? [21:48] swoody: merge away :) [21:48] pleia2, sounds good :) [22:41] pleia2, definitely not final-draft, but let me know what you think [22:41] (when you have the time) [22:46] I think I can cut out some of the details of some sections... [22:46] (i.e. the device sections) [23:25] doctormo, nice work with the ubuntu marketing emails