[01:37] <d33d> anyone around? I just wanted to say I'm ready to contribute to the "Ubuntu Community Learning Project" and I've signed up :D
[01:38] <Saj0577> hey d33d im here but real tired if want to aks anything :)
[01:39] <d33d> im in the same boat - i was just looking for someone to quiz me and approve me for the launchpad team?
[01:39] <d33d> they "quiz" - well more like "tell you how it is" in the fedora project when you want to be a contributor
[01:40] <Saj0577> d33d: well i cant approve you on LP team. but what you looking to help out with any particular area?
[01:40] <d33d> no, i like to teach.
[01:40] <d33d> and learn :D
[01:40] <Saj0577> okays. you got any areas your a boffin on?:)
[01:42] <d33d> lol well i'd say i at least know hot to use ubuntu. desktop and some server-side (ubuntu as a web app server)...
[01:42] <Saj0577> okay cool stuff.
[01:42] <d33d> and I'm learning python
[01:42] <Saj0577> hey BiosElement
[01:42] <d33d> just a smathering
[01:43] <BiosElement> Hey Saj0577. ^_^
[01:43] <Saj0577> d33d: okays. well if you stick around im sure someone whos awake can talk to you a bit more heh :) as i said here if want to ask anything
[01:45] <d33d> doctormo, ping
[01:45] <doctormo> d33d: pong
[01:45] <d33d> doctormo, I'm looking at the SystemAdminTopics classes and I'd like to help in anyway I can. I'd like to learn and critique :D
[01:46] <d33d> just says you're looking to attract people from IRC and various blogs (planets) :D
[01:46] <cprofitt> d33d, sounds great.
[01:46] <cprofitt> we can use all the help we can get.
[01:46] <Saj0577> hey cprofitt not see you there.
[01:46] <cprofitt> we are...
[01:47] <cprofitt> are there questions I can answer d33d ?
[01:47] <pleia2> welcome d33d
[01:48] <d33d> not really - I think I'm just going to tackle these classes a bit this evening and get back to you - unless....you can approve me on LP
[01:48] <Saj0577> d33d: well il leave you with these people goodnight for now take care (and everyone else im here if need me but just chillen)
[01:48] <pleia2> sure I'll approve you, sec
[01:48] <pleia2> g55
[01:48] <pleia2> oops
[01:48] <d33d> Saj0577, peace out
[01:48] <cprofitt> I can do that d33d
[01:49] <pleia2> lp is sooo slow
[01:49] <d33d> pleia2, is that your password? lol hope not.
[01:49] <BiosElement> If it was, it isn't anymore. Anyway, it's too short >.>
[01:49] <pleia2> d33d: haha, no, switching windows in irssi
[01:49] <cprofitt> which perso are you d33d ?
[01:49] <d33d> Alex Lutz
[01:49] <d33d> sorry - should i change it to d33d instead?
[01:49] <cprofitt> approved
[01:50] <cprofitt> nah... it does not matter
[01:50] <d33d> why thank you Elizabeth Krumbach
[01:50] <d33d> :D
[01:50] <d33d> which is ???
[01:50] <cprofitt> someone else processed it 3 seconds before I did
[01:50] <BiosElement> haha, that was pleia probably.
[01:50] <d33d> pleia2, i think did
[01:50] <pleia2> cprofitt: I said I'd aprove him first ;)
[01:50] <d33d> I like you guys.
[01:51] <cprofitt> sorry... did not see that pleia2
[01:51] <pleia2> hehe, it's all good
[01:51] <d33d> this is a good community project.
[01:51] <d33d> you're all too nice :P
[01:51] <cprofitt> thanks d33d
[01:51] <cprofitt> let me know if you want a walk through with Moodle
[01:52] <cprofitt> doctormo, or BiosElement can help with asciidoc
[01:52] <cprofitt> pleia2, with IRC
[01:52]  * Saj0577 hopes cprofitt does not give him them fab videos to look at lol
[01:52] <d33d> actually - probably - no familiarity with moodle at all - however, i have to travel home first. :D
[01:53] <BiosElement> Yep, I'm around to help with asciidoc/bazaar if you need it. Though I may be a tad slow as I'm running basically on dialup.
[01:53] <d33d> I'm also a fedora project contributor - but they make it so freakin' hard to get around.
[01:53] <d33d> there's like 12 different websites for 3 things. Its just confusing.
[01:53] <cprofitt> nah... I think that course has to go now Saj0577
[01:53] <BiosElement> I doubt it's as bad as kde. I can't even find their mailing lists. >.>
[01:53] <d33d> not brining up fedora for "fightin" words.
[01:54] <d33d> BiosElement, lol.
[01:54] <d33d> mailing lists were easy to find.
[01:54] <d33d> good luck with that.
[01:54] <pleia2> I had a nice time chatting with the fedora guys at the conference I went to this past week
[01:54] <cprofitt> d33d, I am a Fedora Ambassador
[01:54] <Saj0577> cprofitt: what a shame hehe. we need to make a new one you think is there one in process not bene on the site for a few days just been workingn on locla machine getting ideas together.
[01:54] <d33d> cprofitt, Same here.
[01:55] <cprofitt> Saj0577, yeah... we need a better one...
[01:55] <d33d> Saj0577, you from the UK?
[01:55] <doctormo> Welcome d33d, sorry for the delay, setting up openldap here and we failed again, (6th week running) but we're very close!
[01:55] <Saj0577> d33d: sure am.
[01:55] <Saj0577> why?
[01:55] <cprofitt> doctormo, what issues are you having?
[01:56] <d33d> doctormo, ah the "trial and error method"
[01:56] <BiosElement> d33d: There's another method? >.>
[01:56] <d33d> Saj0577, never heard the term boffin - wikipedia filled me in :D
[01:56] <doctormo> cprofitt: It logs on via ssh ok, but fails via gdm
[01:57] <d33d> BiosElement, no. its just the best method. because most likely you will fail, and learn a heck of a lot more than you would if it just "worked"
[01:57] <Saj0577> d33d: oright hehe. :P i will come up wit many terms trhat you probably think WHAT to while your here hehe.
[01:57] <d33d> good. I'll learn more UK terms, and use them here and people will be like WTF?
[01:57] <d33d> its good.
[01:57] <d33d> well - its time for me to depart for a bit, be back later
[01:58] <cprofitt> see ya d33d
[01:58] <doctormo> OK, so it looks like we're heading out here
[01:58] <Saj0577> d33d: cya laters take care
[01:58] <doctormo> d33d: Go through and pick a course, I'd be happy to have you aboard either writting one of the missing classes or editing existing ones.
[02:00] <Saj0577> whats the topic? i cnt see when next meeting is cos i use irssi it dont show it all
[02:01] <BiosElement> It still thinks the "next" meeting is on the 19th. I don't know when the next one is. >.>
[02:01] <Saj0577> oright thanks
[02:03] <pleia2> yeah, we haven't planned one yet
[02:04] <Saj0577> okays.
[02:04] <Saj0577> i really should head ot bed soon lo
[02:08] <BiosElement> Saj0577: Previous meeting logs are here if you want them. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[02:08] <BiosElement> I'm actually just finally getting a chance to read through them.
[02:09] <Saj0577> BiosElement: thanks its on my to do list already lol
[02:09] <BiosElement> haha, great.
[02:10] <Saj0577> its one pretty big list right now hopefully weekend will help me reduce it lol
[02:10] <BiosElement> You should see my list...It's got over 700 entries. I never actually get a chance to read most of them :S
[02:28] <Vantrax> hrm, from the wiki: We are planning on two kinds of materials for a given course. The first is a set of materials which closely follow the lesson topics, including challanges, further information and so on, this is the standard course materials that will be conducted by a trainer. The second part is background materials, information about topics which people will need to understand in order to grasp what they are going to be doing in a l
[02:28] <Vantrax> esson. This could be generated information or information already present in the wiki and help documentation and some topics my only require one part.
[02:28] <Vantrax> is that still valid?
[02:28] <Vantrax> probably needs to be updated to include offline materials via asciidoc
[02:29] <Vantrax> or pdf i guess
[02:36] <BiosElement> I'm not sure how valid it is but I can tell you that as far as I know, it hasn't been taken into consideration with the asciidoc formatting. pleia2 would probably know better then I would.
[02:44] <Vantrax> It was written back at the start of the project, but i think it needs to change to cater for the offline options
[02:44] <Vantrax> BiosElement, I hear your the man for asciidoc, any chance you can prepare a tute on how it works
[02:46] <BiosElement> Vantrax: Well I could make a quick guide to it but the problem is without the proper formatting it won't be anything more then the commands to compile asciidoc and a link to the markup page.
[02:47] <Vantrax> what do you recommend then?
[02:48] <BiosElement> Well currently doctormo and I are holding everything up. And I'm waiting on doctormo's revised system so I can't do much. But I'll make up a quick Getting Started with AsciiDoc at least.
[02:54] <Vantrax> that would be a nice start
[02:54] <Vantrax> I know that people are interested in it, just dont really know alot about it yet
[02:55] <BiosElement> Yeah, I'm not quite sure where doctormo's at with it >.>
[02:58] <Vantrax> yeah, i havent been able to catch him for a few days
[03:01] <BiosElement> Well I've had a cold so I was rather outta it for a bit. >.<
[03:01] <BiosElement> Vantrax: this is a 'very' rough draft but it should help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/298730/
[03:02] <BiosElement> I'm also working on a python script to compile asciidoc files so course creators won't ever have to actually enter commandline.
[03:07] <Vantrax> very nice, the easier it is the better it will be
[03:09] <BiosElement> Exactly.
[03:10] <Vantrax> sounds like you have it all sorted, nice work
[03:12] <BiosElement> Well that's the idea. Lemme know if you try it out. FYI that paste is a valid AsciiDoc file.
[03:15] <Vantrax> hrm, you reference pdf, but dont say how to export to pdf
[03:17] <BiosElement> Nope, it's a bit trickier but I did it a few times during testing. I just haven't re-installed the packages yet.
[03:23] <Vantrax> ok
[03:23] <Vantrax> just the first question i had after reading it
[03:24] <BiosElement> IIRC pdf's need converting asciidoc to latex and latex to pdf. But the results were good anyway. And apparently asciidoc to pdf support is also working but I don't remember how >.>
[03:30] <d33d> I'm back
[03:34] <Saj0577> welcome back d33d still here still not in bed i know lol
[03:35] <d33d> Saj0577, slacker.
[03:35] <Saj0577> hehe.
[03:35] <d33d> who wants to give me a tour of moodle?
[03:35] <d33d> one sec, i have to put my clothes back on.
[03:36] <d33d> JUST KIDDING.
[03:36]  * Saj0577 is worried
[03:37] <d33d> was it doc?
[03:37] <Saj0577> it was c profitt
[03:38] <d33d> cprofitt, are you awake?
[03:41] <cprofitt> yes
[03:46] <cprofitt> but headed off to sleep
[03:46] <cprofitt> night all
[04:22] <BiosElement> Wow, I've just noticed the Ars Technica comments are nearly slashdot/4chan quality...>.> I can see why they're reluctent to make linux posts often now...
[04:32] <pleia2> the internet became a much better place when I decided to stop reading user comments
[04:33] <pleia2> (I still do sometimes, usually regret it)
[04:33] <BiosElement> Heh, True. One "person" just claimed picasa had no linux alternative...Erm, I'm pretty sure picasa was ported and even if it wasn't digikam is awesome >.>
[04:34] <pleia2> I quite like f-spot
[04:34] <pleia2> and picasa for linux runs in a wine wrapper
[04:34] <pleia2> you download the linux version from google, they put the wine wrapper on it
[04:35] <BiosElement> Eh, I "like" f-spot but it just kinda felt clunky for me. And I thought so.
[04:35] <pleia2> yeah, I hear the clunky complaint about fspot a lot
[04:37] <BiosElement> Figures. Sad thing is I can't even think of anything to improve it.
[04:40] <BiosElement> Reading these comments reminds me of why I finally installed ubuntu. Lost the bloody driver disks. Ubuntu however doesn't have any problems. >.>
[04:45] <BiosElement> And I must admit, I never knew that nearly every single ars reader was an "open source developer and contributor". Strange that I've yet to read what projects they work on... *cough*
[04:45] <paultag> pleia2, BiosElement, do you have greasemonky?
[04:45] <BiosElement> paultag: I've used it, but I don't have it currently. Why?
[04:46] <pleia2> nope
[04:46] <paultag> pleia2, BiosElement, http://www.julien-oster.de/projects/feyntube/
[04:46] <paultag> pleia2, BiosElement, get greasemonky. The internet becomes better with that plugin
[04:46] <paultag> pleia2, BiosElement, turns all youtube comments into Richard Feyn quotes
[04:46] <BiosElement> hahaha
[04:46] <Vantrax> oohhh I like it
[04:47] <pleia2> I don't use firefox :\
[04:47] <paultag> brilliant :)
[04:47] <paultag> pleia2, aww
[04:47] <BiosElement> What 'do' you use pleia2?
[04:47] <paultag> pleia2, port greasemonky to browser x over there
[04:47] <pleia2> BiosElement: the chromium linux build
[04:47] <BiosElement> pleia2: Ahh, Nice. I was playing with that before I swapped to kubuntu.
[04:48] <Vantrax> pleia2 same here
[04:48] <pleia2> BiosElement: nice and fast with javascript rendering, which is nice because I spend most of my day in gmail and goog reader
[04:49] <BiosElement> pleia2: Yep. Only reason I didn't use it as primary was I have too many firefox extensions to go without. >.>
[04:49] <pleia2> yeah, I never used many
[04:52] <BiosElement> It's a tad clunky on kde but not 'too' bad. I'm loving the technical basis of kde but if they don't get a good browser, it's not going to get far. >.<
[14:46] <swoody> Good morning Learn-eritos :)
[15:41] <doctormo> hello swoody
[15:41] <swoody> how is the day treating you, doctormo ?
[15:42] <doctormo> Well, I had a bit of a tricky heart, got up early (3am?) to get some asperin, but we were out.
[15:42] <swoody> doctormo, ouch, sorry to hear that :(
[15:42] <doctormo> I wanted to make some breakfast to try and wake up some more, but the kitchen was a dump, so I had to just overhaul it (and I do mean, take everything off the counter, clean and put things back)
[15:42] <doctormo> Still haven't eaten, lol
[15:43] <swoody> haha
[15:43] <swoody> well that stinks :/
[15:44] <doctormo> I started that at about 7am, just finished
[15:44] <swoody> wow, that sounds like it was fun ;)
[15:45] <swoody> but that's why I got myself a nice Greek girl ;)
[15:45] <swoody> she loves cooking, and takes out her stress from work by cleaning :D
[15:45] <doctormo> Proving once again that I am the embodyment of light arseburgers and OCD all rolled into one package.
[15:45] <swoody> haha, well I'm sure it's in much better shape now
[15:46] <doctormo> OK so my geeky _wife_ will cook, loves to, loves to bake and make the most amazing food. But has some kind of blind spot for tidy.
[15:46] <swoody> haha
[15:46] <pleia2> oh goodie, do greek boys clean too?
[15:46] <doctormo> Although she does go mental at me for moving things, even if the way I reorder things takes up 10% of the space.
[15:46] <swoody> pleia2, no idea, you'd have to ask one ;)
[15:46] <pleia2> k
[15:47] <pleia2> hehe
[15:47] <swoody> try #ubuntu-gr :D
[15:47] <pleia2> I'm sure that would go over so well :)
[15:47] <swoody> haha, I could only imagine...
[15:47] <doctormo> It would be an interesting social experiment.
[15:54] <swoody> haha, I think 'interesting' is an understatement, but I would like to witness it :)
[15:55] <swoody> pleia2, also, I want to thank you for your support and kind words last night :)
[15:55] <pleia2> swoody: of course :) you do great work
[15:56] <swoody> well thank you. Coming from you, that's a very nice compliment :)
[15:56] <pleia2> you're quite welcome
[16:19] <doctormo> What happened last night?
[16:20] <pleia2> swoody became an ubuntu member
[16:29] <doctormo> Congratulations swoody
[16:29] <swoody> thank you doctormo :D
[16:29] <doctormo> Now you can get a CD
[16:29] <doctormo> :-P
[16:31] <swoody> a CD?
[16:32] <doctormo> It's ok, it's a in joke with the LoCo contacts list
[16:33] <swoody> ah, ok :)
[17:40] <d33d> hello world
[17:42] <d33d> Saj0577, ping - come back and wake up
[17:42]  * ZachK_ imitates world, waves hello to d33d 
[17:42] <d33d> ZachK_, hey what's up?
[17:42] <ZachK_> not much my mahn
[17:43] <d33d> do you know much about Bzr?
[17:43] <ZachK_> ah no
[17:43] <ZachK_> don't know what that
[17:43] <ZachK_> is
[17:44] <d33d> bazarr?
[17:44] <ZachK_> not familiar..know the name
[17:44] <d33d> ah. that's ok.
[17:44] <d33d> so ZachK_ what do you do? Where do you fit in to the #ubnuntu-learning crowd?
[17:45] <ZachK_> d33d, well doc work mainly.....
[17:45] <ZachK_> d33d, here's my wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zachk18
[17:45] <d33d> ncie
[17:52] <d33d> ZachK_, can you explain zenix?
[17:52] <swoody> hello d33d and ZachK_ :)
[17:53] <d33d> swoody, waaasssuuupppp!!! (still love it after 9 years)
[17:53] <ZachK_> d33d, zenix? it's by bodhi_zazen ....what more do you need to know
[17:53] <swoody> d33d, haha, not too much, thank you :)
[17:53] <swoody> and you?
[17:54] <d33d> sorry - <[17:54] <d33d> ZachK_, Might i become a young padawan learner?
[17:55] <ZachK_> d33d, on what?
[17:55] <ZachK_> d33d, the bt team?
[17:55] <d33d> idk - just says you're a mentor on your wiki
[17:55] <ZachK_> oh..
[17:55] <d33d> yeah, bt. i guess.
[17:55] <ZachK_> pm me
[18:17] <doctormo> d33d: welcome back
[18:20] <d33d> doctormo, :D
[18:21] <doctormo> d33d: So, what is it you would like to do?
[18:22] <d33d> doctormo, do i have to choose?
[18:22] <d33d> haha.
[18:22] <d33d> I want it ALL!
[18:22] <d33d> i'm a dirty american
[18:31] <d33d> doctormo, are you open to constructive criticisim?
[18:43] <d33d> doctormo, heading out for lunch however - I think something like this needs to be included when newbies are being taught the command line. http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2002/crapva.jpg
[18:57] <doctormo> d33d: We can include something like that, I'd want to draw one slightly differently, but it's a good idea to include.
[19:12] <doctormo> woot! my tiny toon adventures came through netflix! now for some serious unwinding.
[20:41] <d33d> so it looks like no one is doing the structuring of the content?
[20:57] <pleia2> everyone is
[20:57] <pleia2> we do it on the wiki, it evolves as people tweak it
[20:57] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2009-October/000067.html
[20:57] <pleia2> helps
[21:27] <swoody> pleia2, so for right now, are you still looking to just gather links for the 'How to Use Ubuntu' section?
[21:28] <swoody> Is there much else that I could tackle at this point?
[21:28] <pleia2> swoody: that and we're starting to organize the sections some
[21:29] <pleia2> it's all just ideas tossed up on a wiki right now, we want to start making the structure so it makes sense
[21:29] <swoody> pleia2, how do you mean? Just trying to avoid over-lap with the structure?
[21:29] <pleia2> swoody: moving items around on the wiki
[21:30] <swoody> ah, ok.
[21:30] <pleia2> if you want to start on the desktop topics, that's cool
[21:31] <swoody> pleia2, moving them around? I'm not quite sure what you're going for with that :/
[21:32] <pleia2> swoody: to have an actual structure for the course, right now the list is just a bunch of ideas
[21:33] <swoody> pleia2, ok, so you're looking to actually start creating 'outlines' for each topic? And fleshing them out a bit?
[21:34] <pleia2> swoody: yep :)
[21:34] <swoody> pleia2, ah, ok. So basically just saying what's going to be in each topic?
[21:36] <pleia2> well, the rough ideas tossed on the wiki now say what is going to be there, we're looking for actual structure now
[21:36] <pleia2> like "desktop basics should go before how to use open office"
[21:36] <swoody> So say with 'handling files w/ command line' you'd just want the different commands that would be covered?
[21:37] <swoody> ah, ok. I think I get what you're saying :)
[21:37] <swoody> so you just want to re-organize it by what order topics should go in?
[21:47] <swoody> pleia2, are the topics set as they are, or might it be a good idea to merge a couple topics?...
[21:47] <swoody> like possibly including 'connecting to the internet' with 'Shopping, chatting, and email'?
[21:48] <pleia2> swoody: merge away :)
[21:48] <swoody> pleia2, sounds good :)
[22:41] <swoody> pleia2, definitely not final-draft, but let me know what you think
[22:41] <swoody> (when you have the time)
[22:46] <swoody> I think I can cut out some of the details of some sections...
[22:46] <swoody> (i.e. the device sections)
[23:25] <Vantrax> doctormo, nice work with the ubuntu marketing emails