tag, but I haven't worked with it a whole lot to know if it would work correctly...if at all [02:02] wow, cool [02:03] Pairadimesitty: you're using smf, right? you can just use (I think it is) and that will have your cookie info on your home page [02:03] skuld; That was kind of my thoughts... once I get my sh*t down maybe offer cheap hosting to non-profits just to offset my internet costs. [02:03] MTecknology: cool, thanks. I'll look into that [02:03] smackdaddy: your DNS looks fine - but I can't connect to your system - so it's probably localhost only [02:03] just add that line to the default page? that would rock if it was that easy, trying now [02:04] Pairadimesitty: You also need at the very top... if I remember right, and assuming your forum is located in the 'forum' dir [02:05] 'tis indeed [02:06] that should be all you need. If the user is logged in, they will get the number of messages they have in PM, if not then a login dialog will show wherever you place that welcome code. [02:06] both above the doctype? [02:06] there is an advanced option if you don't want to see the welcome text if logged in, you can use.... ssi_welcome('array') [02:07] you could try that...I usually work with PHP files only [02:07] brb [02:11] kirkland: Any chance of getting "EC2" as one the primary options on your virtualization survey? Folks using EC2 don't really think of themselves as using Xen. [02:14] bdmurray: I'm not sure-- I wanted feedback from someone === freeflyi3g is now known as freeflying [02:18] MTecknology cantconnect on what port? [02:18] 25 [02:18] So, how can I install linux on a computer with no CD rom drive? [02:18] also, no floppy [02:18] yeah every time i try it says connecting to the wrong ip [02:19] smackdaddy: I tried with 24.155.117.48:25 [02:19] smackdaddy: Can you connect to localhost:25 ? [02:20] skuld: those seems to be calling something, but they throw up errors [02:20] yes [02:20] thats the correct public iptoo [02:20] .48 [02:21] it's likely smtp isn't listening for internal traffic [02:22] external* [02:22] i cant send either [02:22] tried emailing using user@IP [02:22] check firewall rules [02:22] what config for smtp [02:22] if you have ufw enabled, etc [02:23] jdstrand: but if it is closed who will see it? ;-) [02:23] !info courier [02:23] Package courier does not exist in jaunty [02:23] !info dovecot [02:23] Package dovecot does not exist in jaunty [02:23] ubottu: -_- [02:23] OK [02:23] It'll be right around /etc/courier/ [02:24] I don't have a mail server running to check [02:24] no firewall [02:24] its off [02:24] ufw? [02:24] yea [02:24] any router? [02:24] no [02:25] bdmurray: I figured that the subscribers would... [02:25] who seem to be kirkland and rtg iirc [02:25] smackdaddy: dpkg-recongigure postfix [02:25] k [02:26] smackdaddy: that will let you specify who can connect [02:26] reboot tiem [02:27] jdstrand: I don't know I heard kirkland filters fix released e-mail ;-) [02:27] after this reboot? [02:27] bdmurray: heh. maybe kirkland will notice how often we are saying kirkland [02:27] Is there a command to check system temperature? [02:27] * jdstrand whispers bug #403215 into kirkland's ear [02:27] one can only hope [02:27] Launchpad bug 403215 in qemu "2.6.31 guest vm's unable to use virtio" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403215 [02:28] acpi -V or something [02:28] croh [02:29] MTecknology> on the part where it asks for all my domains do i need the TLD only, or mail.domain.com [02:30] smackdaddy: I'd do localhost, domain.com, mail.domain.com [02:30] ok thanks [02:31] should i force synchronous updates onmail queue? [02:31] it's up to you [02:31] if its slower... [02:31] no [02:32] lol [02:32] personally - leave the majority set to defaults [02:32] k [02:32] smackdaddy; thanks [02:32] np [02:33] on the specify network blocks screen, just my public ip is all i need right.' [02:33] or the 127.0.0.1 [02:34] * smackdaddy needs ubuntu for retards [02:34] :( [02:34] whatever is default [02:35] it erasedsince last time i didit [02:35] damn [02:36] the only thing you really need to worry about is where you selected who can use it [02:36] I'm back [02:36] ah [02:36] It pulls all the defaults from the config [02:36] the existing config* [02:37] ok its done [02:37] letme try it out.. [02:37] restart the service [02:38] done. [02:40] I still can't connect [02:40] me either [02:40] sudo ufw status [02:40] im looking in master.cf [02:41] ok ufw stats just lists the commands [02:41] sudo ufw status [02:41] i did that [02:41] same [02:42] STATUS [02:42] U [02:42] not stats [02:42] lol [02:42] inactive [02:42] sorry [02:43] pastebing ifconfig [02:44] whats that url [02:44] !pastebin [02:44] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [02:45] there's a command I'm looking for - for the life of me I can't remember what it is [02:46] pic [02:46] ? [02:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/298723/ [02:47] I'm scanning your system - just fyi [02:47] np [02:47] every single port - I want to at least see one of them filtered [02:48] is this a static ip on the system? [02:48] or is it sitting inside your house? [02:48] no, im moving to static next week [02:48] just want to get everything working athome first [02:48] oh.......... [02:48] drop the project until next week [02:48] port 25, 80, and others are blocked until you get that [02:48] mail wont work on dhcp? [02:49] 99.999% of all ISP's block it [02:49] ohmy web server ftp ssh works [02:49] port 80? [02:49] ya [02:49] apache2 [02:49] and vsftpd [02:49] are working [02:49] ok - your isp doesn't do that then.. ok [02:50] there - 25/tcp filtered smtp [02:50] it's being blocked somewhere [02:50] your server, your isp, idk [02:50] for my domain name, registered with netfirms.. i set a custom ns, ns.cconnectx.com, and made a A record for it, and setup bind9 also on this box... [02:50] dns is working great [02:51] web [02:51] just not mail [02:51] its wierd [02:51] something is blocking it.. [02:51] could be [02:51] ill assume its them til next week [02:51] can another system inside the same subnet as the server get into the server? [02:52] yes [02:52] then it's something on the server [02:52] pastebin main.cf [02:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/298726/ [02:54] home_mailbox = Maildir/ [02:55] It's not standard, but I usually to .mail/ [02:55] for users hom dir [02:55] ? [02:56] mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 192.168.0/24 [02:56] that part should have a public ip too? === timburke_ is now known as timburke [02:57] that .mail/ keeps it hidden from the user which seems to help against accidental deletion [02:59] smackdaddy: This is beyond what I have the time to debug for you.. [02:59] smackdaddy: try in #postfix [03:00] Sorry I can't help you more [03:00] I gotta run [03:00] no problem,thanks alot [03:06] New bug: #457788 in php5 (main) "package php5-cli 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/457788 [03:18] erichammond: hmm, ec2 made it on there in a few places.... we can't very well change it now that some people have answered the survey. but nijaba will be conducting a much more comprehensive survey soon. he can take that feedback into account [03:19] smoser: yes, i did upload it. it's waiting for approval from the release team to be "accepted" [03:19] right. discussion of that in #ubuntu-release [03:20] jdstrand: bdmurray: that's fix-released [03:20] jdstrand: bdmurray: are you still having trouble with virtio? [03:20] jdstrand: bdmurray: i'm using virtio across the board in karmic; very solid [03:29] skuld:I gave up and switch to a redirect === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [03:32] Pairadimesitty: what? LOL [03:34] sorry, I mean this [03:35] it lacks the handy home button alternate hilighting, and it's lazy, but I'm dumb so it'll have to do [03:35] ah. give it some time, you'll figure it out. :) I know what you want can be done [03:36] the advice you gave only spat out errors, it seemed to reference things from the wrong paths or something [03:37] though it was definately the right thing to do, I'm just missing something important [03:38] I don't have my php pages in front of me so I had to guess from memory [03:38] how's your situation coming? [03:39] ugh! [03:39] sounds lovely [03:39] need a Reese's Cup? [03:40] why can't people who build email packages just set up by default to do the thing that people setting up the email servers want to do: send email from authenticated users on the server to anybody else inthe world? [03:40] I think I need a bag of those Dark Chocolate ones LOL [03:41] I don't have any dark, sorry, I do have some Ghirardelli white chocolates with vanilla specks. [03:42] oooou :) [03:42] just call me a romantic guy... [03:42] it sounds better than glutton [03:44] oh, I was changing the button hilight color of all the buttons and links in my forum theme from blue to my site's red shade, and I missed the bored navigation line [04:35] kirkland: yeah, we know it is fix released. I added a comment to it today because the default install failed for me today and it looked similar to that (see my last comment) === Jagged_ is now known as Jagged === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx [05:41] What is cpanel? [05:41] cpanel is basically a manage your (virtual?) server via a web UI. [05:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cPanel [05:42] thanks [05:42] e.g. "I can't fix that because I don't have ssh access, only cpanel" [05:43] I see it is not free.. [05:43] Correct; it is a proprietary product. [05:44] I am just looking for something to play around with so as to help me expand my knowledge. Not willing to pay for the education at the moment. =) broke. [05:44] Know of an alternative? [05:44] !RUTE [05:44] documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com [05:45] RUTE, and perhaps the Ubuntu admin guide, are the best resources I know of for learning more about Unix system administration in general. [05:46] oh, no, I mean I am trying to learn how to set it up so I can host for others. Mostly friends and non-profits. But, still, just to learn how to do it. [05:46] Web management isn't so much training wheels as it is a black box -- you do something via the UI and have no idea what is really happening under the hood. [05:46] crohakon: you want to learn how to set up cpanel? [05:46] Correct. [05:46] OR something like it. [05:47] We generally discourage web-based system administration here. [05:47] FSVO here = in this channel. [05:47] FSVO? [05:47] Some FOSS solutions include ebox (which is supported for Ubuntu server) and webmin (which is definitely NOT supported). [05:48] FSVO = For Some Value(s) Of [05:48] Personally I have been extremely unimpressed with webmin and (what little I've seen of) ebox. [05:49] Well, like I said, I only ask because I want to learn how to set the stuff up. Just to learn without having to fork out a lot of money to do so. [05:49] I suppose you could steal a copy. [05:50] Maybe cpanel also provides gratis temporary licenses. [05:50] I suppose I could, but I try to remain as legal as possible. [05:50] You could talk to the cpanel people about that. [05:50] there is a 15 day test license for free. [05:50] Anyway, it is bed time for me. Goodnight [05:50] Thanks for the help. === crohakon is now known as crohakon|zZz [05:56] holy crap - it was like at first the kernel .config was like 4,760 lines, and now it's like 2,576 [05:57] and at first it was all like 3.8MB and now it's all like duuude (1.7MB) [05:58] then I wuz just like OMG! n like, omg we gotsta like make it smaller and like, ya no wut i meen? [05:58] MTecknology: plonk [06:00] twb: :) [06:00] twb: I was confused. I couldn't figure out why you were in this channel... then I noticed what channel I'm in... [06:02] how can i setup webmail for my server with postfix [06:02] smackdaddy: squirrelmail and roundcube are pretty common [06:04] what 1 would you say is more userfriendly [06:05] personally, roundcube can be skinned easily enough - but squirrelmail is more expandable [06:05] personally I use google apps and use claws-mail - try them both and see what you like best [06:06] ok cool [06:07] during install i selected use landscape conicle.. do you know how to change that back to automatic update [06:07] not offhand [06:07] ahcus it charges for landscape [06:07] heh [06:09] Has anyone here installed OpenVZ on Jaunty? [06:14] Or any other nice alternative to jails [06:16] I have used OpenVZ on Hardy. [06:17] Someone else did the install, though. [06:31] twb: I understand it's a bit of a bear? [06:32] OpenVZ blows. [06:32] Bad? [06:32] I would not recommend it to anyone who can run KVM on 10.04 [06:32] OpenVZ is primarily useful if you need a very large number of VMs (like, hundreds or thousands), and you have no hardware virtualization support in your CPU. [06:33] I don't have physical access to my server at the moment [06:33] So a lower-level type of virtualization is out of the question [06:34] And I just need a couple VMs [06:35] Running VMs in a VM is not going to work well [06:36] If by "physical access" you actually mean the ability to pick up the box in your hands -- you don't need that for hardware virtualization. [06:36] eh? Well, I don't need full virtualization.. just something like solaris zones [06:37] for me, all I have is ssh [06:37] Well, I guess you might need physical access to turn on VT-x in the BIOS. [06:37] syncrondi: even if you don't NEED full virtualizaton, I would still recommend KVM over OpenVZ. [06:39] IME it's more reliable, and it allows you for flexibility (e.g. "now I need unionfs support" or "now I need a RHEL VM") later. [06:39] Does it require a fresh install? [06:40] Does what require a fresh install? [06:40] KVM [06:52] No, it's built into the kernel. [06:53] Also, openvz receives no support from Ubuntu, whereas kvm got 18mo (hardy) and lessee... [06:55] we've run VZ since 2006 [06:59] Bleh, maintenance-check is taking WAY to long to fetch the jaunty seeds [07:01] New bug: #329852 in pptpd (main) "pppd or pptpd fails when client try to connect" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329852 [07:04] Hmm, it's also 18mo in Jaunty. [07:04] This is not good! [07:04] Oh, that's because jaunty isn't an LTS. [07:04] Presumably the next LTS will have kvm in main, and thus will get 5y support. [07:13] twb, question re: openvz [07:13] does it really support arm? [07:13] I don't know. [07:13] OpenVZ is a bunch of patches to the Linux kernel, so in theory it should be architecture-independent. [07:13] Of course, the guest OS would also have to be supported on that CPU. [07:14] So you couldn't have an ARM gaol on an x86-64 server, but you could have ARM gaols on an ARM server. [07:14] ah ic [07:14] twb: so you need to access the bios for sure during install of KVM? [07:14] syncrondi: it's common for VT-x to be disabled by default in the BIOS. [07:15] syncrondi, well if its already turned on then no [07:15] syncrondi, check /proc/cpuinfo [07:15] I see. Thanks twb === WALoeIII_ is now known as WALoeIII [07:15] poningru: of course, any time the guest architecture isn't native, you lose any VT benefits. [07:15] twb, right [07:15] i.e. you HAVE to do full userspace virtualization. [07:15] syncrondi, egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo [07:15] The () are unnecessary [07:16] such kernel patches usually require virtualization extensions in the CPU. AFAIK, ARM doesn't have such things. [07:16] mneptok: OpenVZ doesn't use hardware virtualization at all. [07:16] twb: ewwww ... [07:16] poningru: that doesn't return anything, I'm afraid. [07:16] now i know why i never palyed with it :) [07:16] mneptok: OpenVZ is an extension of the chroot approach to include /proc and network segmentation. ALL code runs natively. [07:16] syncrondi, yeah its turned off then or your cpu doesnt have it [07:17] what cpu do you have? [07:17] You also cannot have a different kernel inside an OpenVZ gaol. [07:17] poningru: dual p4 2.8 [07:18] Also, OpenVZ has poor support for e.g. NFS and completely hangs the entire machine when you try to use either unionfs or aufs. [07:18] syncrondi, depending on the gen it probably has vt [07:19] err I mean doesnt have vt [07:19] If all you're gonna run in your gaol is a different version of Apache and PHP and MySQL, then OpenVZ is probably not so bad. [07:19] bug 451881 [07:19] smoser: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [07:20] twb: that's basically all. I just wanted to separate a new development environment from existing. [07:20] syncrondi: given that you lack VT support in your CPU, OpenVZ becomes a more reasonable choice. [07:20] but I've been working with another server that's running a jail for the same situation and weird errors come up at times [07:20] syncrondi: however you may prefer to look into pbuilder [07:21] syncrondi: if you're just doing DEVELOPMENT [07:21] development that could move into production [07:22] syncrondi, also virtual box if you have X on it [07:22] not sure if virtual box requires X [07:22] Yeah, no X [07:22] AFAICT virtualbox is ill-suited for server gaols. [07:22] http://www.howtoforge.com/vboxheadless-running-virtual-machines-with-virtualbox-2.0-on-a-headless-ubuntu-8.04-server [07:23] It's really intended for jackasses who want to run IE or something on their ridiculously over-specced personal laptop [07:23] twb: I tried it on my windows and also on an OpenSolaris install and it seems a lot like VMwarez [07:23] syncrondi: yeah, VMware falls into the same category. [07:23] if you want a virtualized web server, openvz or xen [07:23] You could sum up my gripes with virtualbox as "it tries to be like vmware" [07:23] xen with swap is good (required) for java [07:23] http://www.bgevolution.com/blog/virtualbox-headless-mode/ [07:23] twb: haha, yeah, for sure. [07:24] Xen is also a good choice compared to OpenVZ, if all you need are gaols. [07:24] poningru: i didn't know virtualbox could run without X, thanks! [07:24] :) [07:24] twb: what is this 'gaol' you speak of? [07:24] Boohbah: IIRC the trick is to put it in an xvfb, which is pretty fugly [07:24] A coworker was showing me solaris containers and I was pretty impressed with that [07:24] Boohbah: "jail" is a neological spelling of "gaol". [07:25] or rather "gaol" is archaic "jail" :) [07:25] i see [07:25] Norman-derived gaol (preferred in Britain) [07:25] It's not archaic. [07:26] it's just preferred in Britain? [07:26] It's "English" as opposed to "American" :-P [07:26] Boohbah: and everywhere else in the commonwealth. [07:26] rubbish colour armour boot bonnet aluminium [07:27] Good gods, how do Americans say "bonnet"? [07:27] in India we used to call the boot/trunk dickie [07:27] "Headscarf" or something? [07:27] twb, hood [07:27] Oh, you mean of an auto. [07:27] hehe yeah [07:28] its funny my gf is from scotland and she taught me that in gb/uk (depending on who you ask) the queens english is considered proper [07:28] while here in the US there is no 'proper' english [07:28] how you speak is proper for you [07:28] It depends if you're a language instructor, or a linguist. [07:29] Language instruction is prescriptive; linguistics is descriptive. [07:29] granted exceptions do popup for the neds/hicks [07:30] * poningru gives twb a glassgow kiss [07:30] nn guys [07:30] i almost forgot this wasn't #defocus [07:30] poningru: good night [07:31] I'm out too.. thanks for the advice [07:34] Hi! I am running Ubuntu w/ sw raid. I run mdadm to check status. At the end of output there is " Number Major Minor RaidDevice State" and then my RAID devices. What does this data mean? [07:36] poi77: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mdadm [07:37] Boohbah: thanks, I am wondering whether the "major" "minor" values have any significance and if they indicate errors? [07:39] poi77: run "cat /proc/mdstat" to check status [07:40] major and minor ar ethe block numbers. [07:40] twb: thanks, [2/2] would mean normal, right? [07:40] see e.g. the mknod(8) manpage [07:40] It's not a quality status [07:41] it's a name, like "sdd2" means "fourth SCSI disk, second slice" [07:41] A major and minor number of "2, 7" means "I'm the seventh component of the second device" [07:42] twb: many thanks for your explanations! [07:51] * soren breaks [07:58] mathiaz, its bad... hacky, but heres what i have right now [07:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/298860/ [07:58] am running that with input: x86_64 us-east-1 ami-7132d118 [07:59] smoser: yop - seems good to me [07:59] it actually worked! [08:00] fired off a bunch of instances, then waited, then sshed to each of them [08:00] :) [08:00] smoser: ec2-describe-images doesn't have the proper information to infer the availability zone from the output [08:00] smoser: as well as the list of types [08:00] smoser: I think we can infer everything from the name of the bucket/image [08:00] smoser: the bucket as the -us/-eu -> region [08:01] smoser: the image name has amd64/i386 -> type list [08:01] smoser: the best call would be: test-ec2.sh ami-7132d118 [08:02] you can't get bucket/path without knowing region [08:02] other than by trying both [08:02] which would in all likelyhood be sufficient [08:02] smoser: oh - you're right [08:02] smoser: you need to set the region [08:03] but arch isn't needed. [08:03] smoser: well - you could use ec2-describe-region [08:03] smoser: ec2-describe-regions [08:03] mathiaz, right, you could use that to get a list and then look in each for that id [08:03] smoser: and then try to find which one has the ami ;) [08:03] unlikely, but possible that an id existed in multiple regions [08:03] yeah. it would be good enough [08:04] smoser: that's true - but the ami path would be completly different [08:04] those tests you wrote probably cost a couple bucks per region to run [08:04] smoser: it would probably not match the bucket name [08:04] the bucket names are different. manifest name is the same. (ie, basename) [08:05] anyway... [08:05] i think i'm going to go to sleep now [08:05] smoser: yeah - we can discuss improvments at UDS :) [08:06] oh. the goal is nightly automated tests with logs [08:06] its all doable. [08:06] * mathiaz nods [08:06] i've just spent the time doing the publishing portion of it all [08:06] if you dont have a build out there, you can't test it :) [08:07] smoser: yop - one step at a time [08:07] i will say that at 3:00 am eastern, us-east-1 performs fairly well [08:07] started 17 hosts in like < 50 seconds [08:08] anyway, good night. [08:54] can someon point me to the quick low down "drop all iptables" [08:54] please [08:54] :) [08:54]