RiddellJontheEchidna: so bug 387364 is actually fixed?00:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387364 in kubuntu-docs "package kubuntu-docs 9.04.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38736400:59
JontheEchidnaRiddell: needs SRU apparently00:59
JontheEchidnabut it should be good in karmic01:00
JontheEchidnamore nice feedback on the feedback page :)01:46
yuriyoh boy i don't check my email for 2 days and you guys go crazy with planning02:09
JontheEchidnafeel free to join in; it's not too late to suggest anything :)02:11
yuriyi have a feeling i don't have much to contribute here, I think I would be the "KDE puritan" in this discussion02:18
JontheEchidnaDefault software is just one part02:19
yuriyyeah haven't gotten to the actual plan yet, reading the thread first02:19
yuriyslashdot style ;)02:19
txwikingerfeedback page?02:27
JontheEchidnatxwikinger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback02:35
yuriynew i'm a pc/i'm a mac commercial is hilarious02:36
txwikingercool thanks JontheEchidna02:36
jjessethe one with the pc being a news anchor?02:37
yuriythe one about windows 7, with the PC going "the new version of my operating system is out, and it doesnt have any of the problems the last version had! trust me!"02:37
JontheEchidnavery ballsy02:39
JontheEchidnamplayer plugin only gives audio though :(02:40
JontheEchidnaah, better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mISTuG4LLeA02:40
* JontheEchidna will fix bug 458695 tomorrow03:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458695 in kcm-gtk "kcm-gtk does not load translations properly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45869503:21
freeflyingScottK: http://www.flickr.com/photos/freeflying/sets/72157622515083587/03:59
freeflyingScottK: kubuntu-netbook on ARM03:59
ScottKfreeflying: Thank you very much.  Very nice.04:14
yuriyJontheEchidna: I wrote up a (somewhat onesided) page on the bug reporting point: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Apport/Discussion04:22
yuriy...and didn't save my last changes *headdesk*04:22
freeflyingScottK: my pleasure04:22
yuriythere, better04:24
ScottKI know that thanks to the apport stuff I was able to give Sput my first good quassel backtrace ever this week.04:27
shtylmandoes the manual partitioning work in the installer?04:53
shtylmanit didn't quite work for me in virtualbox...but that could be other setup crap04:53
ScottKI think I found stikonas KPackcageKit problem.05:14
ScottKNo syslog running.05:15
markeyhmm, no Chromium nightly updates lately05:49
markeyanyone know why?05:49
ScottKmarkey: Chromium stuff is done by the Ubuntu Mozilla Team.  You might ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam (IIRC).05:51
markeyok thanks05:54
markey06:59 < micahg> markey: daily is broke :)06:00
markey06:59 < micahg> wanna fix it?06:00
markeyso we know that06:00
markeyanyone got a ppa for the latest Choqok?06:13
ScottKPackagekit upload pending for stikonas' complaint.  The answer to why we were going to release with a totally broken package kit is it was only totally broken if your syslog isn't running and no one had reported a bug.06:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that systemsettings-in-own-category from rc feedback package is foobar09:38
apacheloggerthe cat would only show up if there was an entry other than systemsettings09:38
apacheloggerwhich I hunted down earlier in the cycle... unless, of course, someone rebroke it :P09:39
agateauScottK: ping11:17
agateauScottK: unping, have to go (sent you an email instead)11:28
ScottKdebfx: Uploaded the revised patch.  It seems good here too.  Thanks.12:06
Riddellagateau: so what do we have to upload for knetworkmanager?12:10
ScottKRiddell: I just uploaded a new -workspace that ditches the untranslated string on the brightness OSD.12:12
Riddellthanks ScottK, that was next on my todo :)12:12
ScottKRiddell: Now since you didn't upload it, you can put your release team hat on and accept it ....12:21
RiddellScottK: oh I see what you're hinting at, you want me to accept it12:31
agateauRiddell: latest package from my PPA?12:42
Riddellagateau: it changes a string but it seems like that string isn't in the upstream translations anyway12:55
Riddellgood thing we have launchpad else it would never have a chance to be translated :)12:55
debfxScottK: ok great, i'll submit the patch to the kde reviewboard12:56
Riddellagateau: that string has been translated in launchpad, would be be possible to do a s/hex// in the code rather than change the string?13:00
agateauRiddell: you mean editing the string after it has been translated?13:01
Riddellagateau: right13:01
Riddellit's not pretty but I think it's better than having the string in english?13:01
agateauRiddell: can do, but let's hope nobody went smart and named it otherwise13:01
agateauRiddell: I agree13:01
agateauRiddell: will give a try, expect update in the afternoon13:03
Riddellagateau: actually how about string = "ASCII/" + i18n(original_string)13:05
Riddellthat's probably more reliable13:05
agateauRiddell: it depends on translators not reordering the string13:05
Riddellagateau: has anyone tested the wired icon change?  has wstephenson seen it?13:06
agateauRiddell: I tested it, not sure I posted it to wstephenson13:07
agateauRiddell: Looking at the .po files, replacing "Hex" won't work13:09
agateauand prepending ASCII/ does not sound good for all languages13:09
agateaubecause in some case the "hex" part is after the "key" part13:09
Riddellagateau: how about s,hex,ASCII/hex, ?13:09
steveireWhat is apport-kde?13:10
Riddellsteveire: crash reporter13:10
agateauRiddell: probably a bit nicer, but still not perfect13:11
steveireI'm getting autospawning dialogs telling me it wants my password.13:11
Riddellsteveire: you have a crash in /var/crash which belongs to root then13:11
agateauRiddell: lt for example translate "Hex Key" to "Šešioliktainis raktas"13:11
steveireI dismissed all of the dialogs. Oh well.13:12
steveireI'll let it do its thing next time13:12
agateauRiddell: how can I browse LP translations for knm?13:12
Riddelldpm: ?13:12
Riddellagateau: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+pots/libknetworkmanager13:14
agateauRiddell: thanks13:15
dpmyeah, thanks Riddell, you were quicker. agateau, it's usually https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/<sourcepackage>, which should take you to all available translation templates for a given package13:16
Riddellagateau: we could also change the string only if it isn't translated  if orig_string == i18n(orig_string): sting = "new text"13:16
Riddelldpm: the tricky part there is inserting karmic into the URL at the right but, it's annoying how the translations tab doesn't light up unless you do that13:16
agateauRiddell: yes, but then users either get "translated and outdated" or "untranslated but accurate"13:18
Riddellright, there's no perfect answer13:18
agateauwhat about adding ascii/ to translations ourself?13:19
Riddellagateau: how do you mean?13:25
agateauRiddell: I mean: settle on "Key" or "ASCII/Hex Key" for the english version,13:26
agateauRiddell: generate new POs13:27
agateauRiddell: and update them ourselves13:27
Riddellagateau: I don't speak 50 languages, I've no idea how to translate that!13:28
agateauRiddell: if you look at the language list in LP and in the po/ dir, there are less than 50 languages,13:29
agateauRiddell: and looking at the po files, it's quite easy to see where one could add ASCII/13:29
Riddelldpm: is that sane/possible ^ ?13:29
* agateau doubt it's sane, but would love it to be possible13:30
agateauRiddell: is it possible to release an updated version with up to date translations after release date (as an sru)?13:31
Riddellyes translations get regular SRUs13:32
agateauRiddell: so maybe it's the sanest thing to do13:32
agateauLeave the string untranslated but accurate for release, and do an SRU13:33
agateauBonus point if we can get some translations updated by native speakers before release13:33
agateauRiddell: on LP there are only 6 languages which are quite complete13:34
agateauI can fix fr, we would need help for brazilian, chineese, spanish, swedish and ukrainian13:36
agateau(and chinese is already missing 108 strings, so it would not really matter :/)13:36
JontheEchidnathe translations deadline for LP was yesterday I believe. You'd have to manually edit the lang-packs once they're uploaded13:37
agateauRiddell: do we also ship translations from src po/ dir?13:37
agateauJontheEchidna: mmm, doesn't sound good13:37
JontheEchidnaactually I don't know if you can change existing translations since they're binary. In the past we've only been able to add new translations manually iirc13:38
agateauJontheEchidna: this can be considered an addition as well13:39
agateauJontheEchidna: since we changed the original string13:39
JontheEchidnaI mean, the addition of a totally new .mo file13:39
agateauJontheEchidna: oh ok13:39
JontheEchidnaRiddell: is bug 458779 the one that was discussed on #kde-devel the other day?13:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458779 in okular "okular has started crashing when I tri to follow link in the index page or the index side bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45877913:40
* ryanakca points out that he only has one Developer of the week so far, can someone else please reply to the ML thread?13:41
ryanakcaagateau: If you need help with fr and tell me how to help with it this weekend, I can do so as well.13:42
agateauryanakca: I am french :)13:42
agateauthanks anyway :)13:43
ryanakcaagateau: I know. But, if the volume of translations left can be split halfway, it'll go that much faster.13:43
agateauryanakca: oh ok, in this case, it's just one string13:43
ryanakcaAh, haha :)13:43
agateauryanakca: but it's the one which tells you you can enter an ascii or hex wep key13:44
agateauryanakca: instead of only an hex key13:44
a|wen-dtuagateau: i'm able to understand swedish pretty well, so just ping me for that (or danish/norwegian)13:46
agateaua|wen-dtu: thanks, we still have to decide if we want to go this way13:47
a|wen-dtuof course :)13:48
agateauRiddell: just downloaded LP translations13:55
Quintasanhurr, /me can't do even simple pycode13:56
agateauRiddell: a grep reveals this string is only translated for es, fr, pt_BR, sv and uk13:56
Riddellagateau: translations from src po/ dir get imported into launchpad, language packs get made by exporting from launchpad, language packs will get updated from launchpad after release13:57
Riddellagateau: so we can probably change the string update those manually in launchpad which will see them appear in the next language pack update13:58
ScottKstikonas: I found your packagekit problem.  For some reason you don't have syslog running/reachable and that's why it crash.  That's also why it didn't crash for everyone.13:58
* JontheEchidna prepares new kcm-gtk release to fix translation loading13:58
ScottKstikonas: I also did a packagekit fix and have uploaded it, so this may be fixed by release time.13:58
agateauRiddell: just to be sure I get it, we ship the untranslated string, and users will get it translated with next language pack update13:59
Riddellagateau: yes14:01
agateauRiddell: so nothing to do right now. I like this plan :)14:01
RiddellJontheEchidna: I commented on bug 458779, it's not the same crash as yesterday but he does have the bad poppler so maybe it's caused by the same issue14:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458779 in okular "okular has started crashing when I tri to follow link in the index page or the index side bar" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45877914:02
RiddellJontheEchidna: did you look into userconfig translations?14:02
JontheEchidnaRiddell: there is some info floating around on the ML14:02
JontheEchidnaany translations would have to come after release at this point14:03
QuintasanJontheEchidna: where can I find documentation for PyKDE4? The site says nothing and python-kde4-doc contains only examples14:03
RiddellQuintasan: what do you want?  techbase.kde.org has some examples14:04
Riddelland a tutorial14:04
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: just use the C++ docs, and try to pythonize them in your mind14:04
JontheEchidnathen just fiddle with things until they work :D14:04
Riddellthere are also pythonised docs on api.kde.org14:04
ScottKRiddell: jjesse is involved in kubuntu-docs too.  He may know.14:10
jjessewhat was the question?14:10
ScottKjjesse: Pasted to a PM14:12
ScottKThat was from #ubuntu-devel14:12
Riddelljjesse: so if you know how to build kubuntu-docs with translations I'm sure dpm would love to learn :)14:19
jjesseRiddell i was chatting w/ ScottK and i don't know how to build the docs at all, nixternal has always done that, mdke on #ubuntu-doc builds the ubuntu doc and would be able to help14:20
RiddellI used to do it but not for many a year14:21
dpmRiddell, can you access this location for requesting kubuntu translation exports? -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kubuntu-docs/+export (no need to do it, I've already requested an export)14:24
Riddelldpm: yes14:25
Quintasanlook like I won't get anywhere with porting printer-applet to KNotification, Looks like I'm still a total beginner :O14:29
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: oh, I don't think it has bindings yet14:30
JontheEchidnait should in 4.4 though14:30
QuintasanJontheEchidna: well, someone else will have to do it since I'm already overwhelmed by pycode14:30
Quintasanwell I should stick with learning C++ and Qt for now14:31
Riddellupdate-notifier-kde uses KNotification14:31
ScottKI know the printer thing is a bit largish and not the most beautiful thing, but it works and works well here.  Please don't break it.14:31
JontheEchidnaoh, KNotification, not KNotificationItem14:31
Riddellbut not KNotificationItem, I don't know if that has bindings14:32
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: sry, got confused14:32
JontheEchidnaKNotificationItem will have bindings in 4.4 from what I hear14:32
JontheEchidnaKNotification should have bindings14:32
Riddellinfact printer-applet uses KNotification14:32
JontheEchidnaoh, cool14:33
Riddellupdate-notifier-kde wants it's KNotification's changed to be persistent rather than using systray icons14:33
Riddelland printer-applet wants KNotificationItem14:33
QuintasanJontheEchidna: I read KNotfication in ML :P It's KNotificationItem14:33
Riddellthe naming is pretty confusing14:34
Quintasanprocastrination is sure a scary thing14:35
agateauRiddell: yes, unfortunately, they didn't want to change it, even after it was pointed out that it was confusing :/14:36
=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates
dpmRiddell, adiroiban might be interested in helping out with kubuntu-docs14:47
jjessehave him ping me and nixternal on #ubuntu-docs sometime14:47
Riddelljjesse: best do it here, we need this toot sweet14:50
Riddelladiroiban: do you know how to get translated docs into kubuntu-docs?14:51
JontheEchidnaRiddell: could you sponsor bug 458695 please?14:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458695 in kcm-gtk "kcm-gtk does not load translations properly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45869514:53
JontheEchidnaThe release changes the kcm's plugin name to match the translation domain14:53
JontheEchidnaand also has translations exported from launchpad for the benefits of those not using launchpad (doesn't effect us, in other words)14:54
Riddella crapton of translations no less, although these days I'd expect computer people to use metric craptonnes :)15:00
ScottKProbably still some legacy use of the nautical crapton to be considered though.15:02
stikonasScottK: thanks for fix15:05
ScottKstikonas: No problem.  Please note for the future though that "Why are you releasing a kpackagekit that's totally broken" wasn't very accurate or a pleasant way to find out about the problem.15:06
stikonasSorry for that15:06
ScottKOK.  Please just take the lesson learned for next time.15:07
ScottKYou also my want to figure out why your syslog is broken if you didn't do it on purpose.15:07
stikonasIt seems that I have no syslog installed at all which is strange15:08
stikonasis this syslog-ng package?15:08
ScottKNo, rsyslog15:08
dpmRiddell, adiroiban, in the meantime I'll give it a shot. For the record, I've received the link to the translations export -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34250048/launchpad-export.tar.gz15:08
ScottKThere are many different ones, but that's the one that's default in Karmic.15:09
ScottKstikonas: You might want to investigate your logs to try and figure out where your syslog went.15:09
ScottKIn particular, I'd suggest the upgrade logs assuming you upgraded to Karmic from a previous release.15:10
stikonasI've was upgrading from Alpha 5 or 615:10
stikonasit was a clean install15:10
stikonasyes, it was removed on 15/09/2009 due to some dependency problems15:11
stikonasshouldn't then kubuntu-desktop depend on rsyslogd but not recommend it (now kubuntu-desktop->depends on anacron->recommends rsyslogd)15:14
Riddellpackagekit should15:14
Riddellstikonas: do file a bug, glatzor the packagekit maintainer isn't around15:15
ScottKRiddell: I did fix packagekit to at least not crash if it's missing.  The upload is pending acceptance for Karmic.15:16
stikonasso, should I file a bug against packagekit, or not?15:17
ScottKRiddell: I tend to think syslog is something that should be provided by the system and not something individual packages that log should depend on (makes switching syslogs harder)15:18
ScottKstikonas: Can you pastebin the log that shows it getting removed?15:19
stikonasScottK: my log is Lithuanian15:19
ScottKstikonas: How about if you pastebin it and I'll ask you what specific words mean if I need to know (a lot I can guess from context(15:20
stikonasScottK: from /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz ?15:20
stikonasor is there a better log15:21
ScottKstikonas: Yes.  That's good15:21
stikonasScottK: I've attached the whole log here: http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/as932/files/term.log.115:24
ScottKstikonas: What is "Šalinamas"?15:27
adiroibanRiddell: yep, I can build the translated xml files for kubuntu docs15:27
stikonasScottK: Removing15:28
adiroibanI knew that nixternal was handling them, and I told him he can contact me in case he need help15:29
adiroibani am subscribed to ubuntu-docs and happy to help with the translation port of u/k/xubuntu-docs if needed15:29
ScottKŠalinamas ubuntu-minimal is not a good thing.15:29
stikonasScottK: I've reinstalled it15:30
stikonasScottK: thanks15:30
dpmadiroiban, I've already started^^, but if you want to continue, please go ahead, you can reuse the link of the exported translations above15:31
adiroibanok. but who should upload the kubuntu-docs package ?15:32
dpmadiroiban, Riddell said he could do it15:33
adiroibansame question for xubuntu ?15:33
dpmadiroiban, it's only about Kubuntu for now15:33
dpmexporting translations, building a new package with them included and uploading it15:34
adiroibanthen I will let you handle the kubuntu docs15:34
adiroibanand I can help with xubuntu docs15:34
adiroibanbtw. for kubuntu docs I don't know if the Rosetta templates were updated15:35
Quintasan*"12155" <-- c++ wtf15:35
adiroibanI remember last time some of them were missing and some were obsolete15:35
dpmI'll only incorporate those in the package, then. I've noticed in the export that there are some obsolete ones, yes :(15:36
ScottKMeh.  He left15:36
adiroibanmaybe we should have an IRC meeting and talk about the current state of kubuntu-docs15:38
adiroibanfor me it is not clear how kubuntu and xubuntu docs are handled15:39
adiroibanand if we have a person taking care of them15:39
adiroibanlike updating and fixing errors15:39
ScottKadiroiban: Probably we should focus on the translations for today though since that's tied to the release.15:41
ScottKadiroiban: nixternal and jjesse do work on maintaining kubuntu-docs15:41
adiroibanbut do we have the updated templates in Rosetta?15:42
ScottKNo idea15:43
adiroibanfor example kubuntu-docs basic-concepts was last updated 2009-04-17 19:31:1615:43
adiroibanmaybe this is not a problem, since it should not be updated15:44
dpmadiroiban, I think we should then update the templates in the package, manually upload them, let LP do the necessary merging (and perhaps disable the obsolete ones), once finished export translations and only then rebuild and upload the package15:47
adiroibanyep. ubuntu-docs can be manualy updated15:49
adiroibanbut they will not be translated15:49
adiroibanwe will not have translations for the new/modifed strings15:49
dpmadiroiban, kubuntu-docs, you mean15:50
dpmwell, it depends if the templates have changed or not15:50
adiroibandpm: have you talked with nixternal or jjesse ?15:50
adiroibanmaybe they can give us some hints about what was changed15:51
adiroibanor do you know which packages should be updated15:51
adiroibanand which are obsolete?15:51
dpmadiroiban, nixternal is away, and jjesse was here earlier, I'll ask at ubuntu-doc. The obsolete templates I assume will be those for which there is a template in the export, but not in the package. And re: which templates to update, probably best to regenerate all of those in the package15:52
adiroibanI will be away for the next 1 or 2 hours. We can continue then. Meanwhile, if you can update the rosetta templates15:53
adiroibanI can then do an export and generate the translated xml files15:54
dpmadiroiban, ok16:05
dpmadiroiban, Riddell, kubuntu-docs packaging might require more work than just adding the translations. By building the package, if I'm not mistaken, translations don't seem to be used17:12
dpmthe translated html files don't seem to be built, I mean17:12
adiroibandpm: you don't need the html17:12
adiroibanonly the xml17:12
adiroibanyelp automaticaly generates the HTML files17:13
dpmadiroiban, well, nothing localised gets built. And Kubuntu doen't use yelp17:13
adiroibanI'm generating the HTML files only for debuging purpose17:13
adiroibandpm: :) good point17:13
dpmadiroiban, :-)17:14
adiroibani talked with jjesse on #ubuntu-doc and he told me everything is OK with kubuntu-docs17:14
dpmadiroiban, I saw it, I'm there as well. The comment, though, doesn't look to me as if anyone has looked at the translations at all17:15
adiroibanwe should look at the jaunty or hardy package and see how kubuntu-docs are used in the system17:17
danttiRiddell: ping17:18
Riddellhi dantti17:20
danttiRiddell: was you that added in kpackagekit the catalog name?17:20
Riddelldantti: yes17:23
danttiRiddell: may i ask why?17:23
Riddelldantti: because it wasn't loading the catalogue17:23
danttiRiddell: here it loads without a problem KAboutData should do it, no need to do it manually17:24
danttiRiddell: maybe a kaboutdata bug?17:24
Riddelldantti: when loading as a kcontrol module kaboutdata doesn't get used17:24
danttiRiddell: hmm true, but it's used by system settings to tell the application name, maybe it's a bug,,, dunno..17:26
RiddellK_EXPORT_PLUGIN(KPackageKitFactory("kcm_kpk_update"))  possibly that is what gets used as the default catalogue name for kcontrol module?17:28
danttiRiddell: hmm good question, but maybe yes.. the problem is that at the end they will end up in just one app17:30
danttiso maybe there is no way without it..17:30
danttii need to release but somehow startup got so slow..17:30
adiroibandpm: kubuntu-docs are displayes using konqueror ?17:36
JontheEchidnaadiroiban: they're viewed from khelpcenter17:37
Riddelladiroiban: khelpcenter17:37
markeyRiddell: tsdgeos... just don't take him too seriously17:39
markeynoone does17:39
adiroibanand khelpcenter is using xml or html files?17:39
markeywell except himself17:39
markeythere is that17:40
JontheEchidnaadiroiban: html files17:40
Riddellmarkey: ach it's not unreasonable that he gets grumpy, we forked kpdf for a while which was a headache for him, plus other issues that are his domain17:45
dpmadiroiban, I'm uploading the package with the exported translations integrated to http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs-9.10.3/docs/ if you want to have a look and save some time (the LP export messes up the po files' paths and names), it's going to take a while until it's finished17:47
dpmbut now I must go17:47
=== dpm is now known as dpm-afk
adiroibanI'm still looking how kubuntu-docs i18n is implemented17:48
* ScottK notes he will be TIL for packagekit now. Didn't think of that before I fixed the crash.17:48
adiroibanwhat packages provides the kubuntu-docs translations ?17:56
adiroibanfor ubuntu the xml files are uploaded with ubuntu-docs source package, but they are shiped in the language packs17:57
Riddelladiroiban: kubuntu-docs does17:57
jjessedid someone talk to mdke on #ubuntu-docs about how this owuld, he udnerstands both kubuntu-docs and ubuntu-docs packages17:58
adiroibanok. so kubuntu-docs should also include /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/es/17:58
adiroibanand other translations17:58
Riddelladiroiban: see http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/kubuntu-docs/filelist17:58
Riddelljjesse: he's been idle17:59
jjessehrmm ok17:59
jjessesorry that i don't know about the packaging17:59
Riddellnobody does, it's all a mystery18:00
adiroibanRiddell: so kubuntu-docs html files were not moved in language packs?18:00
Riddelladiroiban: not that I know of18:00
adiroibanthen I will look at kubuntu-docs source package and I will try to create a package containing the translated html files18:00
adiroibanjjesse: can we take a look at kubuntu-docs templates enables in Launchpad ?18:15
adiroibanas they are not identical with the one from shipped-docs18:16
jjesseadiroiban ummm i'm sure you could i just don't know.... to be honest i juts write the docs and don't understand what happens next18:16
adiroibanthat's ok18:16
adiroibanbut for example we have systemdocs18:17
jjessei feel bad that i can't have18:17
adiroibanis this file still used?18:17
adiroibanor, let me ask in another way18:17
adiroibanthe file "libs/shipped-docs" from kubuntu-docs source files18:18
adiroibanis listing the correct templates used in Kubuntu docs ?18:18
adiroibanjjesse: it's ok if you don't know. I just want to make sure I'm not doing something stupid18:21
adiroibananother question. How are kubuntu-docs files updated ? (for example, in case you found a spelling error)18:21
jjessesorry a bit swamped at work so a bit delayed18:22
jjesseso all of the files for karmics docs are in lp:kubuntu-docs18:22
jjesseso i branch lp:kubuntu-docs, make changes to the .xml files (docbook format) and commit to the branch18:22
adiroibanand what about kubuntu-docs source package?18:23
jjesseonly members of the Ubuntu Documenation Committers team can commit to the main branches (ie lp:ubuntu-docs, etc)18:23
QuintasanRiddell: are we shipping soprano-backend-sesame with default install?18:23
adiroibando you manualy copy them?18:23
jjesseas far as i know nixternal builds those, but he's on his bike for the next month18:23
adiroibanso you don't know how he builds them ?18:23
jjesseno i don't, i left him a voice mail and sent him a txt message in case he has his phone on him while biking18:25
RiddellQuintasan: no, it's non-free and depends on java18:25
RiddellQuintasan: but if you open the nepomuk kcontrol module it'll suggest you install it18:25
adiroibanI just want to know how you build the kubuntu-package, and see where should I put the script that is doing the translations18:25
Quintasandoesnt work for me :/ still uses redland, I have sesame set in nepomukrc but it complains the file doesnt exist while it is there18:25
adiroibanjjesse: no problem, we can solve this problem18:26
jjesseyeah  i understand your questions just dont know how he does it18:26
Riddelldpm-afk, ArneGoetje, (yuriy): there are two .pot file generated during build of userconfig, desktop_userconfig.pot and userconfig.pot, launchpad doesn't seem to know about them, any idea where they've gone?18:28
neversfeldedebfx: the problem with the brightness on my ideapad occurs after waking up from suspend. So probably related to the powerdevil changes ScottK mentioned and not to your patch.18:29
ScottKWell I haven't narrowed that one down yet.18:30
adiroibanRiddell: are you building the package with strip-translation enabled?18:32
Riddelladiroiban: which, userconfig?  that produces http://paste.ubuntu.com/299924/ which looks fine18:37
adiroibanRiddell: yes, they are ok for the import of POT files18:38
adiroibanbut the upstream translations (if any) are not there18:38
adiroibanand it is best to have each POT file in it's own folder18:39
QuintasanRiddell: it propably won't even work, at least with sun's jre installed18:39
adiroibanlike po/domainX/domainX.POT18:39
adiroibanand po/domainY/domainY.POT18:39
Riddelladiroiban: there's no upstream, we are upstream.  all KDE apps put .pot files into the po/ directory18:40
adiroibanand where are the PO file stored?18:41
Riddelladiroiban: well the hope is in launchpad, but it's failing there18:41
adiroibanRiddell: this is ok for Ubuntu packages18:42
adiroibanbut if for example openSuse is using that package ?18:42
adiroibanthey will not use Launchpad18:42
adiroibanso the po files should be provided in the source package18:42
ScottKadiroiban: We should probably focus on the Karmic release critical bits of the problem today though.18:43
Riddellno, only we're using it and we're expecting launchpad to handle the translations, hopefully yuriy will put it into KDE at some point soon18:43
adiroibanI agree. we should look into Karmic problems18:43
adiroibanRiddell: last upload of userconfig was on Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:28:35 +020018:45
adiroibanthis is the source package?18:45
adiroibanis this the source package?18:46
Riddelladiroiban: yes18:46
adiroibanmaybe you should upload it again18:46
adiroibanand trace the problem18:46
Riddelland pray that launchpad does it right this time :)18:46
Riddellit does need uploaded though, it's not loading the right catalogue even if they did exist18:47
adiroibanI don't know if Rosetta is keeping the logs from Sept18:47
JontheEchidnaDon't we generate the .pots using kubuntu.mk from pkg-kde-tools?18:47
adiroibanplease upload it again I will look into the import queue18:47
JontheEchidnaoh, right, they are being generated, nvm18:47
adiroibanif nothing happens we can ask for some help from Danilo18:48
Riddelladiroiban: ok, I'll need to fix the loading first, shouldn't be too long18:48
adiroibanand for the other problem. Maybe we can have a short chat durring UDS to talk about Kubuntu translations and how they are handled in Rosetta ... I know we had one last time18:49
ScottKadiroiban: I think our discussion is about if for UDS, not how.18:55
adiroibansorry, I don't understand your statement18:57
ScottKadiroiban: There's a large contingent of Kubuntu devs that would rather just use upstream translations and skip Rosetta entirely.19:02
debfxthere are some dependency problems with konqueror plugins: konqueror-plugin-searchbar depends on konqueror-plugins depends on konq-plugins recommends konq-plugins-l10n conflicts with konqueror-plugins19:16
debfxI guess konqueror-plugin-searchbar should directly depend on konq-plugins19:16
Riddelldebfx: mm, those packages are a bit of a rename mess19:17
debfxand kubuntu-desktop still recommends konqueror-plugin-searchbar19:17
JontheEchidnaoh, I know what's wrong. That huge conflict list isn't necessary, only the replaces list19:17
Riddelldebfx: that seems a sensible solution, fancy doing a debdiff?19:17
Riddellor a bzr branch, I think it's in bzr19:17
JontheEchidnaah, the huge conflicts list was already taken care of19:18
JontheEchidnathe transitional packages weren't updated to depend on the latest name19:18
JontheEchidnaso all of the transitional packages need changing, not just -searchbar19:20
Riddelldebfx: right, the seeds never got changed, but I don't want to do that this late19:20
debfxhm still konqueror-plugins wouldn't be installable without ignoring "recommends konq-plugins-l10n"19:21
JontheEchidnathat should be removed19:22
debfxan easy fix would be to make the conflict with konqueror-plugins versioned like the others19:27
Riddellyuriy, adiroiban: userconfig translation fixes committed to bzr and uploaded to ubuntu19:28
debfxJontheEchidna: what should be removed?19:28
JontheEchidnadebfx: konqueror-plugins should no longer recommend the -l10n package, it's just a transitional package anyways19:29
* Riddell goes sliding over water19:29
JontheEchidnahave fun19:29
debfxJontheEchidna: it doesn't19:30
JontheEchidnaI believe I am confusing myself now...19:31
debfxJontheEchidna: it depends on konq-plugins which recommends konq-plugins-i10n19:31
JontheEchidnaah, yes19:31
JontheEchidnaI don't think there's a problem as long as the other transitional-invdividual-plugin packages don't depend on konqueror-plugins19:33
JontheEchidnabut rather depend on konq-plugins19:33
* JontheEchidna really wishes debian could make up their mind on the names19:34
debfxJontheEchidna: this should fix it http://paste.ubuntu.com/299962/ (konq-plugins-i10n)19:40
debfxso it only conflicts with the jaunty package19:40
JontheEchidnathat would fix that issue, yes19:42
JontheEchidnaa cleanup of the other stuff should probably wait until 10.04, to not risk messing other things up19:44
EagleScreenFirefox open/save dialog are KDE in OpenSuse, why dont you do the same for Kubuntu?19:50
EagleScreenI think the package mozilla-xulrunner191-kde4 is the package provide it19:53
debfxEagleScreen: I set up a PPA that contains experimental firefox packages with the kde patch: https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde19:53
EagleScreeninteresting PPA19:54
EagleScreenwhat is kmozillahelper?19:54
debfxit's the helper application that handles the kde integration19:55
debfxopensuse calls the package mozilla-xulrunner191-kde419:57
yuriyRiddell: oh great! thanks, sorry i didn't get to that19:59
debfxJontheEchidna: submitted a merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/konq-plugins/ubuntu/+merge/1386420:13
debfxah ok :)20:13
JontheEchidnanow to figure out how to actually merge it...20:13
JontheEchidnaI guess I just apply the patch and mark the merge as done20:15
JontheEchidnadebfx: merged, thanks20:18
debfxJontheEchidna: I guess bzr merge lp:~debfx/konq-plugins/ubuntu ?20:21
JontheEchidnaanyways, your patch is now in bzr. We just need somebody to sponsor20:26
debfxRiddell: could you sponsor konq-plugins, changes are already in bzr?20:30
firephoto_i did a clean install with an alternate cd. amd64. it leaves grub showing the list of boot options. is this normal for an alternate install?20:37
Riddelldebfx: can do20:40
Riddellfirephoto_: it is if you have multiple boot options20:40
firephoto_actually it must be the alternate installer. saw the same thing on a gnome test install from a week ago.20:43
firephoto_it was a single disk, full part install.20:44
ScottKdebfx: Do you understand how all the pieces of display management fit together?  I'm having no luck figuring out a problem I've got.20:51
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txwikingerwow.. kamic upgrade is going in the speed of 1000kB/s21:14
Ramblurrafter upgrading to karmic, i can't build any apps that dep on phonon21:18
Ramblurrapparently qt 4.5.3 has borked the phonon headers21:19
Ramblurrwhat's the easiest way to downgrade?21:19
Ramblurr(qt that is)21:19
RiddellRamblurr: karmic has qt 4.5.221:22
Ramblurri ended up with 4.5.3 somehow21:22
Riddellit has a funny version no 4.5.3really4.5.2 because we reverted the version21:23
Riddellbut yes phonon does change header location with every version, you just have to work around it with your compile by making sure the include location is in the compile line /usr/include/qt4/phonon/21:24
ScottKRiddell: That may explain the armel kdebase-runtime failure today.  I'm troubleshooting with NCommander right now21:26
NCommanderScottK, want to bet your x86 might have a similar failure now21:26
ScottKCould be.21:26
NCommanderScottK, BTW, you going to be at UDS Dallas?21:26
ScottKPlanning on it21:26
RamblurrRiddell: i'm missing the file "phononnamespace.h", and it isn't in /usr/include/qt4/phonon/21:28
ScottKNCommander: test build started21:31
ScottKRamblurr: Do you have libqt4-phonon-dev installed?21:33
ScottKRamblurr: What architecture are you on?21:36
ScottKRamblurr: It's in the .deb21:40
Ramblurrreinstalling it21:41
Ramblurrthat did it21:43
Ramblurra bunch of headers are back21:43
ScottKRiddell: Right now our kdebase-runtime on armel is expecting /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/soprano/soprano_redlandbackend.so, but we are shipping /usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_redlandbackend.so.  Any thoughts on how that might happen?21:53
RiddellRamblurr: it's in both /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phononnamespace.h and /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phononnamespace.h21:55
ScottKRiddell: I think he's fixed by reinstalling it21:56
ScottKOut for a while21:57
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ScottKNCommander: Any more thought on what to try?22:29
sourcemakerI am using luks fs... can I install the rc?22:40
sourcemakerin the bug report is has been declared as fixed...22:41
sourcemakerbut I do not know... if the patch has been integrated to the rc alternative cd...22:41
ScottKsourcemaker: What bug report?  I'll check.22:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428435 in ubuntu-release-notes "luks encrypted partition not detected" [Low,Fix committed]22:42
ScottKsourcemaker: That fix is not on the RC image.  It was done after.22:45
sourcemakerScottK: ok thanks.... can I do the upgrade via alternative install und update the lastest patches... ?22:46
sourcemakerupdates via internet22:47
ScottKI'm not familiar with luks fs.  If you have an existing Jaunty install, you can sudo do-release-upgrade -d with no CD at all.22:47
sourcemakerScottK: ok22:47
NCommanderScottK, not offhand22:51
adiroibanhere is the status/error report for kubuntu-docs http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/kubuntu-docs-karmic/23:10
Riddelladiroiban: userconfig should be in now if you are able to look at the mangled translations for that23:23
adiroibanRiddell: I have reported a bug23:23
Riddelladiroiban: where?23:24
adiroibanBug 45942823:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459428 in userconfig "POT files are not imported in Launchpad Translations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45942823:24
adiroibanit  should be in langpack-o-matic23:24
adiroibanbut I have also link it to userconfig and ubuntu-translations23:24
Riddelladiroiban: I guess just ignore languages with errors for kubuntu-docs for now, notify the translators and do those in a SRU?23:25
adiroibanyep. But I can not build the kubuntu-docs package on my system23:26
Riddellwhy not?23:26
adiroibanproblem salve23:26
adiroibanit was using platform23:26
adiroibaninstead of any23:26
Riddellthat was quick23:26
adiroibanalso the debian/rules part that should install the translated files was commented23:26
* txwikinger goes to me jcastro now 23:27
adiroibanin debian/control23:27
Riddelltxwikinger: give him a tickle from me23:27
* ScottK hands txwikinger a "et"23:27
adiroibani have changed the Architecture to any23:27
adiroibanis this ok?23:27
txwikingerRiddell:  will do23:28
adiroibanor it should be All?23:28
ScottKadiroiban: Docs should be all.23:28
txwikingerthanks ScottK ;)23:28
adiroibanthen I will get this error: dpkg-genchanges: arch-specific upload - not including arch-independent packages23:28
ScottKYou're on amd64?23:29
adiroibanwhat is the diference between all and any ?23:35
ScottKA package is arch all if one binary can be used by all architectures.23:36
ScottKA package is arch any if it can by built for any architecture, but needs to be compiled for each one.23:37
ScottKNo problem23:37

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