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| darkham | how many shipments of ubuntu are allowed by canonical? | 07:20 |
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| amitk | darkham: what do you mean? | 07:29 |
| darkham | amitk: in my shipit account i've a message about too many shipments. I requested 2 copy of ubuntu from 7.10 until now | 07:31 |
| * amitk has no clue about shipit. This is probably the wrong irc channel anyways. See here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq | 07:33 | |
| darkham | amitk, i asked because the faq haven't any information of that | 07:35 |
| darkham | but i understand it's not properly a well known stuff... | 07:36 |
| amitk | They say to contact info@shipit.ubuntu.com for questions | 07:36 |
| darkham | amitk, thanx | 07:48 |
| lool | beyossi: Yes that's normal | 08:32 |
| lool | beyossi: You should just leave the /lib/vfp alone, it's fine | 08:33 |
| lool | beyossi: the runtime linker will pick it up if it's there | 08:33 |
| eggonlea | hi, guys, I could not find a suitable channel to ask this question: does ubuntu have any image engine like Android's SKIA? I'm wondering how to optimize image (jpeg/png/gif/etc.) codec for ARM. | 08:44 |
| suihkulokki | eggonlea: afaik skia just calls libpng, libjpeg, libgif etc | 08:47 |
| eggonlea | suihkulokki: I mean, Android provides a unified entrance for all applications. all applications should use SKIA to get optimization automatically. | 08:52 |
| eggonlea | suihkulokki: e.g. we could replace libjpeg with any other optimized codec (if any). | 08:52 |
| suihkulokki | eggonlea: or you could just optimize libjpeg and and get faster jpeg not only in android, but in *all* linux applications | 08:53 |
| eggonlea | suihkulokki: yes, indeed. what I want to confirm is that: is libjpeg the one all applications reply on. | 08:54 |
| suihkulokki | ok, all might be a bit extreme (I'm sure that there are exceptions), but it is pretty universally used | 08:55 |
| eggonlea | suihkulokki: jpeg/png/gif/tiff/etc. and any others we should take care of? | 08:55 |
| suihkulokki | eggonlea: of bitmap formats bmp and pcx still appear sometimes, but I'm not sure they are common enough to warrant optimizing work | 08:58 |
| suihkulokki | then again, I am actually not a bitmap data format expert, that's just my personal experience :P | 08:59 |
| eggonlea | thanks! I'll take a look at the above three codec first. | 09:07 |
| Martyn | Hey all .. | 16:37 |
| Martyn | Where did ARM/Freescale give away the pegatron netbooks? | 16:37 |
| Martyn | I saw something about it yesterday in channel | 16:37 |
| armin76 | Martyn: http://dpaste.com/111120/ | 17:17 |
| lool | Martyn: at techcon | 17:35 |
| ojn | martyn: it was nettops, not netbooks. My bad. | 17:41 |
| ojn | and it was at techcon, yes | 17:41 |
| * ojn has one next to him now | 17:41 | |
| Martyn | *groan( | 17:42 |
| Martyn | I could have used one of those | 17:42 |
| Martyn | oh well | 17:42 |
| Martyn | I'll need to bug my contact at ARM to see if I can get a hold of one | 17:42 |
| Martyn | I have so much advanced hardware now, but I don't have the /current/ state of the art since it's one half generation behind where we are | 17:43 |
| Martyn | and frankly, I want to be able to work on what's coming out now, as well as what will be out in a year | 17:43 |
| ojn | martyn: Philippe Robin was the person doing the first "pitch" session where they were handed out. I guess he might be a good point of contact | 17:48 |
| ojn | Martyn: it's always hard to get a hold of competitor's products before they ship in volume though. :-) | 17:55 |
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| armin76 | Martyn: ask one for me :) | 18:38 |
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| jordan_ | hey all, are there any ARM netbooks out now that run Ubuntu well, or is at all developmental? | 23:44 |
| ogra | only the sharp one | 23:45 |
| ogra | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08/28/sharp-netwalker-the-future-of-netbooks/ | 23:46 |
| ogra | not sure where genesi stands yet | 23:46 |
| ogra | https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook | 23:46 |
| jordan_ | thx | 23:47 |
| jordan_ | it's weird cause I have been seeing tons of demo's of ARM netbooks for the last 3-6 months, but haven't found anything I can actually buy | 23:47 |
| ogra | right, most are still not on the market | 23:48 |
| jordan_ | for say the sharp netwalker, is it fully supported, or is there a lot of manual hackery to get it working? | 23:48 |
| ogra | there are definately some to come | 23:48 |
| ogra | it has ubuntu preinstalled | 23:48 |
| jordan_ | oh, that's 5" though | 23:48 |
| ogra | but as the article says, its not clear if you will ever get it outside of the asian market | 23:49 |
| jordan_ | its a shame | 23:49 |
| jordan_ | kind of want a 9-11", but have been waiting months | 23:49 |
| jordan_ | since Atom is a POS | 23:49 |
| ogra | i think genesi is a better baet, but i'm not sure the HW is out yet | 23:49 |
| ogra | *bet | 23:49 |
| jordan_ | anyone else that seems closer? or is genesi the main vendor to watch right now for it? | 23:49 |
| jordan_ | in terms of shipping in the foreseeable future | 23:50 |
| ogra | as i said there are more vendors to come but i dont know when or which or where they stand yet, genesi a a sure bet that wil happen at some point | 23:50 |
| jordan_ | ya | 23:51 |
| jordan_ | lastly, where is Ubuntu in terms of auto installing on ARM? | 23:51 |
| jordan_ | does it all work, or is still reliant on manually bootstrapping the installer and such? | 23:51 |
| ogra | the images we offer work on the hw they are built for | 23:51 |
| ogra | sadly the HW is all development boards yet | 23:52 |
| jordan_ | that's a shame | 23:52 |
| ogra | they are live images and work identical to any other ubuntu live image | 23:52 |
| jordan_ | how far would you say it is before the installer supports everything, without needing hw-specific images? | 23:52 |
| ogra | never | 23:53 |
| roxfan | there is no single hw standard for arms, so kernel needs to be built for each system specifically | 23:53 |
| jordan_ | is ARM that platform specific? | 23:53 |
| ogra | you will always have SoC specific images | 23:53 |
| ogra | yes | 23:53 |
| jordan_ | i see | 23:53 |
| jordan_ | So build a custom kernel, and then userspace is platform-agnostic across ARM? | 23:53 |
| ogra | we wil surely able o loosen that a bit ... i.e. the imx51 image might at some point support all imx51 boards | 23:54 |
| ogra | but you will never see a generic armel image | 23:54 |
| jordan_ | ya | 23:54 |
| ogra | custom kernel means that you likely end up with broken userpace unless your kernel build is a properly packaged ubuntu kernel package | 23:54 |
| jordan_ | right | 23:55 |
| jordan_ | so as a developer, how would you handle that? | 23:55 |
| jordan_ | delegate kernels to each vendor? | 23:55 |
| ogra | there are more and more things in userspace that rely on working initramfs for example | 23:55 |
| jordan_ | or do different vendors fund you to support their particular hardware? | 23:55 |
| ogra | well, we currently have one kernel tree per SoC | 23:55 |
| ogra | and have one set of images per SoC | 23:56 |
| jordan_ | do you have enough developers to maintain many? | 23:56 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ | 23:56 |
| ogra | maintenance isnt the issue | 23:56 |
| jordan_ | oh ok | 23:57 |
| ogra | bringing it up to the point where its a usable image is the hard part ... i.e. building the first image for a new HW | 23:57 |
| ogra | once thats done its only about maintaining the status | 23:57 |
| jordan_ | oh | 23:58 |
| jordan_ | so is the plan to focus on 1 or 2 ARM platforms? | 23:58 |
| ogra | not necessarily | 23:58 |
| ogra | if the community steps up and i.e. maintains a beagleboard image we'll surely wont complain | 23:59 |
| jordan_ | right | 23:59 |
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