=== ogra_ is now known as ogra === playya__ is now known as playya [07:20] how many shipments of ubuntu are allowed by canonical? [07:29] darkham: what do you mean? [07:31] amitk: in my shipit account i've a message about too many shipments. I requested 2 copy of ubuntu from 7.10 until now [07:33] * amitk has no clue about shipit. This is probably the wrong irc channel anyways. See here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq [07:35] amitk, i asked because the faq haven't any information of that [07:36] but i understand it's not properly a well known stuff... [07:36] They say to contact info@shipit.ubuntu.com for questions [07:48] amitk, thanx [08:32] beyossi: Yes that's normal [08:33] beyossi: You should just leave the /lib/vfp alone, it's fine [08:33] beyossi: the runtime linker will pick it up if it's there [08:44] hi, guys, I could not find a suitable channel to ask this question: does ubuntu have any image engine like Android's SKIA? I'm wondering how to optimize image (jpeg/png/gif/etc.) codec for ARM. [08:47] eggonlea: afaik skia just calls libpng, libjpeg, libgif etc [08:52] suihkulokki: I mean, Android provides a unified entrance for all applications. all applications should use SKIA to get optimization automatically. [08:52] suihkulokki: e.g. we could replace libjpeg with any other optimized codec (if any). [08:53] eggonlea: or you could just optimize libjpeg and and get faster jpeg not only in android, but in *all* linux applications [08:54] suihkulokki: yes, indeed. what I want to confirm is that: is libjpeg the one all applications reply on. [08:55] ok, all might be a bit extreme (I'm sure that there are exceptions), but it is pretty universally used [08:55] suihkulokki: jpeg/png/gif/tiff/etc. and any others we should take care of? [08:58] eggonlea: of bitmap formats bmp and pcx still appear sometimes, but I'm not sure they are common enough to warrant optimizing work [08:59] then again, I am actually not a bitmap data format expert, that's just my personal experience :P [09:07] thanks! I'll take a look at the above three codec first. [16:37] Hey all .. [16:37] Where did ARM/Freescale give away the pegatron netbooks? [16:37] I saw something about it yesterday in channel [17:17] Martyn: http://dpaste.com/111120/ [17:35] Martyn: at techcon [17:41] martyn: it was nettops, not netbooks. My bad. [17:41] and it was at techcon, yes [17:41] * ojn has one next to him now [17:42] *groan( [17:42] I could have used one of those [17:42] oh well [17:42] I'll need to bug my contact at ARM to see if I can get a hold of one [17:43] I have so much advanced hardware now, but I don't have the /current/ state of the art since it's one half generation behind where we are [17:43] and frankly, I want to be able to work on what's coming out now, as well as what will be out in a year [17:48] martyn: Philippe Robin was the person doing the first "pitch" session where they were handed out. I guess he might be a good point of contact [17:55] Martyn: it's always hard to get a hold of competitor's products before they ship in volume though. :-) === Meizirkki_ is now known as Meizirkki [18:38] Martyn: ask one for me :) === JamieBennett1 is now known as JamieBennett === ogra_ is now known as ogra [23:44] hey all, are there any ARM netbooks out now that run Ubuntu well, or is at all developmental? [23:45] only the sharp one [23:46] http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08/28/sharp-netwalker-the-future-of-netbooks/ [23:46] not sure where genesi stands yet [23:46] https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook [23:47] thx [23:47] it's weird cause I have been seeing tons of demo's of ARM netbooks for the last 3-6 months, but haven't found anything I can actually buy [23:48] right, most are still not on the market [23:48] for say the sharp netwalker, is it fully supported, or is there a lot of manual hackery to get it working? [23:48] there are definately some to come [23:48] it has ubuntu preinstalled [23:48] oh, that's 5" though [23:49] but as the article says, its not clear if you will ever get it outside of the asian market [23:49] its a shame [23:49] kind of want a 9-11", but have been waiting months [23:49] since Atom is a POS [23:49] i think genesi is a better baet, but i'm not sure the HW is out yet [23:49] *bet [23:49] anyone else that seems closer? or is genesi the main vendor to watch right now for it? [23:50] in terms of shipping in the foreseeable future [23:50] as i said there are more vendors to come but i dont know when or which or where they stand yet, genesi a a sure bet that wil happen at some point [23:51] ya [23:51] lastly, where is Ubuntu in terms of auto installing on ARM? [23:51] does it all work, or is still reliant on manually bootstrapping the installer and such? [23:51] the images we offer work on the hw they are built for [23:52] sadly the HW is all development boards yet [23:52] that's a shame [23:52] they are live images and work identical to any other ubuntu live image [23:52] how far would you say it is before the installer supports everything, without needing hw-specific images? [23:53] never [23:53] there is no single hw standard for arms, so kernel needs to be built for each system specifically [23:53] is ARM that platform specific? [23:53] you will always have SoC specific images [23:53] yes [23:53] i see [23:53] So build a custom kernel, and then userspace is platform-agnostic across ARM? [23:54] we wil surely able o loosen that a bit ... i.e. the imx51 image might at some point support all imx51 boards [23:54] but you will never see a generic armel image [23:54] ya [23:54] custom kernel means that you likely end up with broken userpace unless your kernel build is a properly packaged ubuntu kernel package [23:55] right [23:55] so as a developer, how would you handle that? [23:55] delegate kernels to each vendor? [23:55] there are more and more things in userspace that rely on working initramfs for example [23:55] or do different vendors fund you to support their particular hardware? [23:55] well, we currently have one kernel tree per SoC [23:56] and have one set of images per SoC [23:56] do you have enough developers to maintain many? [23:56] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ [23:56] maintenance isnt the issue [23:57] oh ok [23:57] bringing it up to the point where its a usable image is the hard part ... i.e. building the first image for a new HW [23:57] once thats done its only about maintaining the status [23:58] oh [23:58] so is the plan to focus on 1 or 2 ARM platforms? [23:58] not necessarily [23:59] if the community steps up and i.e. maintains a beagleboard image we'll surely wont complain [23:59] right