[07:20] <darkham> how many shipments of ubuntu are allowed by canonical?
[07:29] <amitk> darkham: what do you mean?
[07:31] <darkham> amitk: in my shipit account i've a message about too many shipments. I requested 2 copy of ubuntu from 7.10  until now
[07:33]  * amitk has no clue about shipit. This is probably the wrong irc channel anyways. See here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq
[07:35] <darkham> amitk, i asked because the faq haven't any information of that
[07:36] <darkham> but i understand it's not properly a well known stuff...
[07:36] <amitk> They say to contact info@shipit.ubuntu.com for questions
[07:48] <darkham> amitk, thanx
[08:32] <lool> beyossi: Yes that's normal
[08:33] <lool> beyossi: You should just leave the /lib/vfp alone, it's fine
[08:33] <lool> beyossi: the runtime linker will pick it up if it's there
[08:44] <eggonlea> hi, guys, I could not find a suitable channel to ask this question: does ubuntu have any image engine like Android's SKIA? I'm wondering how to optimize image (jpeg/png/gif/etc.) codec for ARM.
[08:47] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: afaik skia just calls libpng, libjpeg, libgif etc
[08:52] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: I mean, Android provides a unified entrance for all applications. all applications should use SKIA to get optimization automatically.
[08:52] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: e.g. we could replace libjpeg with any other optimized codec (if any).
[08:53] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: or you could just optimize libjpeg and and get faster jpeg not only in android, but in *all* linux applications
[08:54] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: yes, indeed. what I want to confirm is that: is libjpeg the one all applications reply on.
[08:55] <suihkulokki> ok, all might be a bit extreme (I'm sure that there are exceptions), but it is pretty universally used
[08:55] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: jpeg/png/gif/tiff/etc. and any others we should take care of?
[08:58] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: of bitmap formats bmp and pcx still appear sometimes, but I'm not sure they are common enough to warrant optimizing work
[08:59] <suihkulokki> then again, I am actually not a bitmap data format expert, that's just my personal experience :P
[09:07] <eggonlea> thanks! I'll take a look at the above three codec first.
[16:37] <Martyn> Hey all ..
[16:37] <Martyn> Where did ARM/Freescale give away the pegatron netbooks?
[16:37] <Martyn> I saw something about it yesterday in channel
[17:17] <armin76> Martyn: http://dpaste.com/111120/
[17:35] <lool> Martyn: at techcon
[17:41] <ojn> martyn: it was nettops, not netbooks. My bad.
[17:41] <ojn> and it was at techcon, yes
[17:41]  * ojn has one next to him now
[17:42] <Martyn> *groan(
[17:42] <Martyn> I could have used one of those
[17:42] <Martyn> oh well
[17:42] <Martyn> I'll need to bug my contact at ARM to see if I can get a hold of one
[17:43] <Martyn> I have so much advanced hardware now, but I don't have the /current/ state of the art since it's one half generation behind where we are
[17:43] <Martyn> and frankly, I want to be able to work on what's coming out now, as well as what will be out in a year
[17:48] <ojn> martyn: Philippe Robin was the person doing the first "pitch" session where they were handed out. I guess he might be a good point of contact
[17:55] <ojn> Martyn: it's always hard to get a hold of competitor's products before they ship in volume though. :-)
[18:38] <armin76> Martyn: ask one for me :)
[23:44] <jordan_> hey all, are there any ARM netbooks out now that run Ubuntu well, or is at all developmental?
[23:45] <ogra> only the sharp one
[23:46] <ogra> http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08/28/sharp-netwalker-the-future-of-netbooks/
[23:46] <ogra> not sure where genesi stands yet
[23:46] <ogra> https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook
[23:47] <jordan_> thx
[23:47] <jordan_> it's weird cause I have been seeing tons of demo's of ARM netbooks for the last 3-6 months, but haven't found anything I can actually buy
[23:48] <ogra> right, most are still not on the market
[23:48] <jordan_> for say the sharp netwalker, is it fully supported, or is there a lot of manual hackery to get it working?
[23:48] <ogra> there are definately some to come
[23:48] <ogra> it has ubuntu preinstalled
[23:48] <jordan_> oh, that's 5" though
[23:49] <ogra> but as the article says, its not clear if you will ever get it outside of the asian market
[23:49] <jordan_> its a shame
[23:49] <jordan_> kind of want a 9-11", but have been waiting months
[23:49] <jordan_> since Atom is a POS
[23:49] <ogra> i think genesi is a better baet, but i'm not sure the HW is out yet
[23:49] <ogra> *bet
[23:49] <jordan_> anyone else that seems closer? or is genesi the main vendor to watch right now for it?
[23:50] <jordan_> in terms of shipping in the foreseeable future
[23:50] <ogra> as i said there are more vendors to come but i dont know when or which or where they stand yet, genesi a a sure bet that wil happen at some point
[23:51] <jordan_> ya
[23:51] <jordan_> lastly, where is Ubuntu in terms of auto installing on ARM?
[23:51] <jordan_> does it all work, or is still reliant on manually bootstrapping the installer and such?
[23:51] <ogra> the images we offer work on the hw they are built for
[23:52] <ogra> sadly the HW is all development boards yet
[23:52] <jordan_> that's a shame
[23:52] <ogra> they are live images and work identical to any other ubuntu live image
[23:52] <jordan_> how far would you say it is before the installer supports everything, without needing hw-specific images?
[23:53] <ogra> never
[23:53] <roxfan> there is no single hw standard for arms, so kernel needs to be built for each system specifically
[23:53] <jordan_> is ARM that platform specific?
[23:53] <ogra> you will always have SoC specific images
[23:53] <ogra> yes
[23:53] <jordan_> i see
[23:53] <jordan_> So build a custom kernel, and then userspace is platform-agnostic across ARM?
[23:54] <ogra> we wil surely able o loosen that a bit ... i.e. the imx51 image might at some point support all imx51 boards
[23:54] <ogra> but you will never see a generic armel image
[23:54] <jordan_> ya
[23:54] <ogra> custom kernel means that you likely end up with broken userpace unless your kernel build is a properly packaged ubuntu kernel package
[23:55] <jordan_> right
[23:55] <jordan_> so as a developer, how would you handle that?
[23:55] <jordan_> delegate kernels to each vendor?
[23:55] <ogra> there are more and more things in userspace that rely on working initramfs for example
[23:55] <jordan_> or do different vendors fund you to support their particular hardware?
[23:55] <ogra> well, we currently have one kernel tree per SoC
[23:56] <ogra> and have one set of images per SoC
[23:56] <jordan_> do you have enough developers to maintain many?
[23:56] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/
[23:56] <ogra> maintenance isnt the issue
[23:57] <jordan_> oh ok
[23:57] <ogra> bringing it up to the point where its a usable image is the hard part ... i.e. building the first image for a new HW
[23:57] <ogra> once thats done its only about maintaining the status
[23:58] <jordan_> oh
[23:58] <jordan_> so is the plan to focus on 1 or 2 ARM platforms?
[23:58] <ogra> not necessarily
[23:59] <ogra> if the community steps up and i.e. maintains a beagleboard image we'll surely wont complain
[23:59] <jordan_> right