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crypt-0im having trouble with wxpython.02:37
crypt-0it is well beyond the #ubuntu help channel.02:37
directhexit's official: the only Ubuntu release whose Mono footprint is smaller than Karmic, was Edgy03:28
cody-somervilleis this.... good?03:29
directhexcody-somerville, well, tomboy/f-spot take up 12 meg less room on karmic than intrepid03:30
directhexand slangasek tends to like megs03:30
Sp3c1alKwhat's a good, current, website that walks through writing a driver for ubuntu?03:32
directhexSp3c1alK, what kind of driver?03:37
Sp3c1alKnetworking, TCP/IP03:38
directhexyeesh, that'll be kernel then03:38
directhexthere's nothing specific to ubuntu. you want something on kernel drivers - and network drivers specifically03:39
slangasekccheney: why did -human drop from a Depends to a Recommends of -gtk?03:39
Sp3c1alKoh boy, I better test in a vmware machine then, heh03:39
wgrantIs anybody else seeing the Examples desktop icon in Karmic RC as just a white page?04:07
StevenKwgrant: I heard seb mention that, but I'm not sure if there is a bug04:14
robert_ancellslangasek, can you look at the updates in bug 437167, bug 458709 and bug 458713 for Karmic?04:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437167 in deskbar-applet "libdeskbar-tracker does not install the module at the right place" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43716704:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458709 in brasero "Update to 2.28.2" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45870904:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458713 in gnome-utils "Update to 2.28.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45871304:18
ccheneyslangasek: followed the debian packaging convention, did it cause a problem for the seed? recommends are autoinstalled (aiui) and so should get pulled in anyway and its not a strict dependency of the -gtk package just should be there (eg more a recommends association)05:08
ccheneyslangasek: convention wrt debian packaging moving its tango dep to recommends in the past update05:08
slangasekccheney: "following convention" is not a good reason for a post-RC change05:09
ccheneyanyone know what happened to approx wrt its startup mechanism it seems to be missing its initscript05:09
ccheneyslangasek: did it actually change what is installed we automatically install all recommends at install time (right?) so its not a effective change?05:10
slangasekccheney: no, it doesn't change the automatic install, but it's still superfluous :)05:10
ccheneyok :)05:10
* ccheney was hoping he didn't uncover more apt bugs05:10
ccheneyalready hit one of those recently, heh05:11
ccheneyapparently apt had issues coping with one of my pre-depends05:11
snap-lI'm not sure if I've hit a but with the postgresql upgrade. Would like a small hand to sort it out, if possible.05:11
snap-lHaving trouble logging into postgresql after upgrading to Karmic. I know there's a debconf message that needs to be followed, but I didn't get all of the info. Is there a way to get that info after the fact?05:11
snap-lI don't think the upgrade from 8.3 to 8.4 happened.05:12
ccheneyhmm approx runs under inetd now05:12
crypt-0does Karmic? have better SMP support?05:16
ccheneydoes inetd not listen on localhost by default?05:20
virtualdcrypt-0: Karmic supports 4096 cpu's05:22
ccheneyhmm even using the external ip doesn't work05:22
ccheneydoes inetd even work on karmic?05:23
* ccheney thinks it isn't installed or something05:24
* ccheney wonders how that works with packages needing inetd but not depending on any and none being installed by default05:26
ccheneyhmm nm it is installed05:26
ccheneyit seems it needed to be restarted05:27
* ccheney wonders why it wasn't running already though05:27
directhexvirtuald, thinking about it, why? there's no SSI hardware with that core count05:34
wgrantsnap-l: IIRC it will have installed a new 8.4 cluster, on 543305:41
wgrantLeaving the 8.3 cluster intact on 5432.05:41
snap-lwgrant: OK, so how do I get the data from 8.3 to 8.4?05:42
snap-lThe instructions were displayed at a time when I couldn't really follow them. :)05:42
wgrantIIRC pg_upgradecluster is what you want.05:43
wgrantBut I haven't done it in a long while...05:43
snap-lsudo pg_upgradecluster 8.3 main05:43
snap-lError: could not get cluster default encoding05:43
wgrantsnap-l: The debconf prompt suggests that you will need to drop the 8.4/main cluster first.05:48
snap-lThere's no default encoding set, afaict.05:48
wgrantBut I don't know about that error.05:48
wgrantAnd it is offtopic for here.05:48
snap-lno worries.05:48
crypt-0(4096) i plan on 1 quad core :)05:51
pittiGood morning07:28
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pittiArneGoetje: can you please mark http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34200734/ubuntu-karmic-translations.tar.gz (the 20091023 export) as "current" in LP? it still says that the 20091008 one is current (which is even older than what we really have)08:09
pittidpm: good morning08:21
pittidpm: can you please mark http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34200734/ubuntu-karmic-translations.tar.gz (the 20091023 export) as "current" in LP? it still says that the 20091008 one is current (which is even older than what we really have)08:21
dpmheya pitti, good morning. Let me have a look. Normally Arne takes care of this, so I just have to find out how to do it08:23
pittidpm: ah, don't worry; we can also wait for Arne08:24
evanddpm: Just a heads up.  I've uploaded ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu with the translations update, per bug 452889.08:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 452889 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline exception request" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45288908:25
dpmevand, yes, I've seen it, thanks a lot!. I didn't remind you yesterday because I saw that (Lithuanian?) user already did.08:26
dpmpitti, I'll try to find out, so at least I know how it goes. I'll just have to wait for the rosetta guys or Arne to turn up and ask them08:28
pittidpm: new packs are building now08:28
dpmpitti, ah, brilliant08:28
mdkedpm: on the Dutch issue, I hope you sorted it out - I think it is the same chap who filed a bug about it so he should have got the answer by now08:36
mdkedpm: now that translated xml is stripped into the langpacks, he'll need to wait for those before the translations appear08:37
dpmmdke, hi, thanks for coming back to me. I think we sorted it out, but it's pending on the next language packs to be built and released before we can check it out08:37
dpmmdke, yes :-)08:37
dpmmdke, Martin tells me that they are building now08:38
ionShipit problems? It appears i’ve been sent a jaunty CD, even though i ordered a karmic one. #  1 CDs requested on 2009-10-16. 1 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company on 2009-10-20. Please note requests usually take from 4 to 6 weeks to deliver, depending on the country of shipping.08:47
wgrantion: ShipIt likes to lie like that. I believe it means that the order has been approved and sent off.08:54
ionwgrant: Alright, thanks08:55
jussi01wgrant: you can order karmic cd's already? o.O08:58
wgrantjussi01: For a few days now.08:59
wgrantAs usual.08:59
jussi01wgrant: heh... shows how much I know... :D08:59
debfxpitti: in hal-info there is a patch with the decription "Some Thinkpads have ACPI brightness controls ..." but it is much more generic as it checks for the existence of /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video*08:59
debfxis that intended?09:00
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pittidebfx: I'm not sure; that patch is ancient, and I didn't do it09:33
pittievand: does ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu get translations stripped? or are they retained in the package? (langpack export is already done, and langpacks are building)10:04
evandpitti: retained10:05
pittievand: great10:05
* pitti accepts10:05
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loolmvo: Hey there10:06
loolmvo: I have an odd APT bug which I'm seeing right now10:06
loolmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299650/10:06
loolmvo: Some sort of infinite loop where it gets the Release file over and over again10:07
loolmvo: I think the server doesn't support if-modified-since/last-modified properly so it could be what causes the issue, but the mirror has been working fine in the last weeks, not sure why it would start doing that now10:07
debfxpitti: could you consider adding my patch from bug #415023 to hal-info, it doesn't seem to fix the issue for gnome-power-manager but works with kde powerdevil10:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 415023 in gnome-power-manager "brightness is broken on MSI WIND U100" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41502310:09
YokoZarwhat is iwlagn and why is it at 100% cpu10:09
pittidebfx: please assign to "pitti"10:10
pittidebfx: probably not for karmic final any more, but it could become an SRU10:10
mvolool: let me have a look - is that reproducable if you run it again? if so, you could you please run it with "-o Debug::acquire::http=true" ?10:15
mvolool: and maybe -o Debug::pkgAcquire=true ?10:15
loolmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299653/10:15
loolmvo: Hmm I connected to t10:16
loolI connected to the server and I see a disk has failed10:16
loollighttpd reports things like 2009-10-23 11:16:14: (network_linux_sendfile.c.172) sendfile failed: Input/output error 710:16
lool2009-10-23 11:16:14: (connections.c.615) connection closed: write failed on fd 710:16
loolmvo: So prob\10:16
loolSo probably not worth chasing10:16
mvolool: well, still a bug in the apt code to try this over and over again, is that the full http debug log?10:17
loolmvo: No it repeats over and over10:18
mvoexactly the same ? i.e. no other code than 200 OK ?10:19
loolmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299656/10:19
loolmvo: that's all I see10:20
mvolool: thanks! let me check the code10:20
loolmvo: It looks like APT just processes this gently10:31
mvolool: yeah, it seems like the server is sending it over and over again10:32
james_whttp://bruynooghe.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-permission-to-see-ubuntu-bugs.html <- points out that the release notes point to bug 354126 about the hibernation issue, but it is a private bug report10:33
ubottuBug 354126 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/354126 is private10:33
james_wis that a typo in the bug number perhaps?10:33
loolmvo: I took a trace10:38
loolmvo: And opened it in wireshark10:39
loolmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/299668/10:39
loolthat's one exchange10:39
loolmvo: looks like the server claims to accept range specifications but doens't10:40
loolmvo: Mind if I fix the server now?  do you want the trace?10:41
mvolool: thanks, I think I got what I need10:49
loolmvo: thanks for having a look10:50
mvohas someone seen something like bug #453444 (syslog filling up very quickly with message and rsyslog not catching that as dups?)11:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 453444 in update-manager "/var/log fills up with "all noraml" messages @ about 575/sec fill up the available space" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45344411:15
slangasekTheMuso: ubuntustudio-desktop still Recommends: hotkey-setup, but shouldn't... was that inherited from ubuntu-desktop at some earlier stage?11:34
pittiScottK, Riddell: jockey FTBFS> meh, seems python-kde4-dev suddenly stopped shipping pykdeuic4?11:35
Riddellok I'll look at that too11:36
pittilrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 53 2009-10-16 07:51 /usr/bin/pykdeuic4 -> ../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py11:36
pittiwhich doesn't exist, hmm11:36
pittiRiddell: this looks like fallout from the pycentral->pysupport migration?11:37
pittiRiddell: want a bug report for this?11:37
Riddellpitti: yeah go on11:40
pittiRiddell: done (bug 458953)11:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458953 in kdebindings "pykdeuic4 does not work any more; broken symlink" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45895311:43
asacstgraber: hey. wonder if you want a bug about pastebinit man page not really being helpful how to configure .pastebinitrc ?11:54
Riddellccheney: you're uploading openoffice KDE fixes today?12:11
slangasekthose should have already been uploaded?12:12
Riddellmaybe he already has12:12
Riddellslangasek: yes looks like he has "Fixes wrong filter texts in KDE4 fpicker. (LP: #452518)"12:13
* slangasek nods12:13
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logari81should I use apport-collect to add information to a bug reported by someone else if I am affected by this bug to?13:06
logari81You are not the reporter of bug 434956.13:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434956 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "screen backlight off after resume-from-suspend when using ATI KMS" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43495613:06
logari81Is that really the bug you want to update?13:06
dpmmdke, are you involved in kubuntu-docs packaging as well?13:18
Riddelldpm: I think that's just nixternal, who's away this week13:18
dpmRiddell, oh, do you know if anyone build kubuntu-docs before NonLanguagePacks deadline las week, then?13:19
Riddelldpm: last upload was four weeks ago13:20
dpmRiddell, hmm, that means kubuntu-docs translations were not exported from Launchpad on NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline and won't appear in the release13:23
dpmit will probably have to be an SRU, then13:24
Riddelldpm: well we can fix that but I suspect I've long since forgotten how to do it, maybe mdke can help13:24
dpmRiddell, now docs translations are included in language packs, so first the package needs to be uploaded (with updated translations) and then the translations are released in the language packs. Since the last language pack before release is building right now, that's no longer possible, but I think it will make a good candidate for an SRU13:26
Riddelldpm: where are they included in language packs?13:28
mvoRiddell: do you have a idea about bug #457270 ?13:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 457270 in update-manager "Kubuntu upgrade from 9.04 t0 9.10 beta failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45727013:36
mvoRiddell: it fails in loadUi("dialog_changes.ui") and the error is very odd13:36
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Christoph_vW1mksquashfs in Karmic seems miss -le and -be options :/13:51
Christoph_vW1but the man page displays them as valid options -and they work in 9.0413:52
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Chris_vWany idea how to work around the mksquashfs issue? I can't build my software without -le13:54
Riddellmvo: no but it'll be a problem in python-kde4 rather than anything to do with update-manager, I'll reassign the bug14:06
mvoRiddell: thanks14:07
dpmRiddell, do you mean the location where they are installed? Actually, looking at the package I've got installed, it seems that it wasn't migrated to use langpacks, so if it were possible to export translations, rebuild the package with them and do an upload with only the translations changes before release would work. I don't know if that's doable. You are on the release team as well, what do you think?14:16
Riddelldpm: I'd happily accept that into the archive, but I've forgotten the exact process to make the package14:17
dpmRiddell, let me dig out the wiki page with the -docs documentation...14:18
Chris_vW--> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squashfs/+bug/45907214:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459072 in squashfs "missing options -le and -be in mksquashfs" [Undecided,New]14:21
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lamontso why is it that firefox comes up and sayz "Well, this is embarassing" and then I tell it to restore all of the tabs, and it goes "OK. done" ?14:30
hyperairbecause it has?14:31
lamonthyperair: because it fails the first try, and works just fine on retrying14:36
lamontwhich would kinda indicate a, well, you know, bug. maybe14:36
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hyperairhmm maybe indeed.14:37
hyperairmaybe it was intentional!14:37
* hyperair hides14:37
pittikenvandine: desktopcouch> -slangasek| what do SSL URLs have to do with desktop-desktop syncing?14:38
lamontI mean, it's really nice that it's so apologetic about it, even though my computer is never apologetic about anything it does.14:38
lamontwe need a patch to give firefox more personalities14:38
hyperairwhile we're at that, we should give fsck some personality14:39
hyperairi've had fsck scold me before14:39
hyperairblaming me for something i didn't do (fscking a mounted rw partition)14:39
kenvandinepitti, slangasek: desktop-desktop syncing happens with couchdb which uses ssl to talk to one another14:40
Chris_vWhmm - looks like squashfs-tools v4 removed support for big endian14:40
* kenvandine doesn't know allot of those details though14:40
Chris_vWthen -be and -le should be removed from the man page in karmic14:40
kenvandinebut allot of what it does is REST calls to one another14:40
pittikenvandine: and it doesn't use SSL for desktop->cloud?14:41
pittikenvandine: i. e. why wasn't that broken all the time?14:41
kenvandinepitti, it does14:41
kenvandinebut it doesn't serve to the cloud14:41
pittiah, it's SSL _serving_14:41
kenvandineit is just a client of the cloud14:41
kenvandinei assume14:41
kenvandinethey create a connection to each other, transfer tokens around etc14:42
sabdflwhat's iceape-flashplugin?15:03
pittisabdfl: iceape is Debian's name for firefox15:05
sabdflthanks pitti. seems to be a known issue with adobe-flashplugin update15:05
pittiso I guess it's the flashplugin installer for it15:05
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scheussohi. i'm using karmic rc with an intel 945GM(rev 03) (today's fresh install). does anybody know why direct rendering is only enabled when running as root? (my user is in video group, permissions of /dev/dri/card0 is 660, root/video)15:11
cjwatsonpitti,sabdfl: iceape is Debian's name for SeaMonkey, not Firefox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project15:12
pittiah, right, that was iceweasel15:12
scheussoshould i open a bugreport about this issue ?15:19
ccheneyRiddell: uploaded it yesterday15:30
Riddellsorted, thanks ccheney15:32
ScottKmterry: I've got a user who installed an early Alpha and then ended up on upgrade with no syslog at all.  Would you mind having a look at the upgrade log to see if there's anything we need to deal with for upgrades?15:34
jdongPlease close OpenOffice.org (including an eventually running15:34
jdongerr the wording there is.... unusual?15:34
mterryScottK: am busy this second, but bug number?15:36
ScottKmterry: Don't have a bug yet.  I'll ask the user to file it.15:36
mterryScottK: k, thanks15:36
Laneydholbach: Do you know if example-content is going to get an icon for the desktop shortcut? Looks odd atm15:37
ccheneyjdong: probably written by a non-native english speaker :)15:37
dholbachLaney: there's the symlink icon15:38
LaneyI just see a blank piece of paper15:38
Laneyis that the one?15:38
jdongccheney: yeah, my guess too. Would've just been easier to say a 1-liner like "OpenOffice.org must be closed to update it"15:39
dholbachLaney: I had kind of an arrow the last time I looked (deleted the symlink now)15:40
* Laney is in a live cd15:40
Laneydholbach: bug 458250 like that but on the desktop15:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 458250 in example-content "Examples folder has no icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45825015:41
Laneynot sure if it matters15:41
ccheneyjdong: yea15:42
dholbachLaney: hum... not sure15:43
jdongccheney: yeah I applied that update at the CLI, don't know what update manager would show you. If that same message... it's kinda scary :)15:44
jdongmaybe in Debian world, you actually need to explicitly convince an expert user why he has to close down his big WYSIWYG word processor ;-)15:44
ccheneyjdong: yea15:44
Keybukbryce_: how much do you care about nouveau failures today?15:55
mvombiebl: hey! do you happen to know about issues with the rsyslog message duplication detection? there is bug #453444 that indicates its not quite working that well and I see my syslog filling with duplicated messages from the kernel as well16:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 453444 in rsyslog "/var/log fills up with "all normal" messages @ about 575/sec fill up the available space" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45344416:00
mvo(not quite with the same speed though :)16:00
cjwatsonKeybuk: is it possible that, when we mount the root filesystem from iSCSI in the initramfs, something is ripping it back out again? bug 45776716:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 457767 in debian-installer "karmic: iSCSI root: boot hangs on starting iscsid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45776716:09
Keybukno idea16:09
cjwatsonany suggestions on where to start looking?16:12
KeybukI don't even know how iSCSI is mounted16:13
bryce_Keybuk, I'll care more later16:13
Keybukbryce_: ok, I'll hold off with the bug report then ;)16:13
cjwatsonKeybuk: nothing magic about the mount; logging into an iSCSI device causes the kernel to make new /dev/sd* devices available16:19
cjwatsonbut it does require networking to stay up :)16:19
KeybukI don't know of anything that rips things down16:19
Keybukdisks, networking, etc.16:19
mvombiebl: is there a reason to not turn on RepeatedMsgReduction ?16:32
keesKeybuk: so, what're your thoughts on the "CLEAR" bug I had?17:18
keesKeybuk: it seems like slightly a matter of taste (at least the second CLEAR that I removed).17:19
keesKeybuk: the first one that repeats regardless of fsck activity is, I think, correct to be removed.17:19
Keybukyou need to CLEAR the screen between mountall updates17:19
Keybukso they appear to be at the same point on the usplash output17:20
keesright, I didn't change that part.17:20
keesKeybuk: i.e. I added a CLEAR before the "Filesystem checks are in progress:" section and removed it outside that check.17:21
keesKeybuk: the only contentious change, possibly, is removing the CLEAR when it finishes.17:21
keesI wasn't sure about the "displaying_bored" logic17:22
Keybukyou want to clear the "I'm bored" bit17:22
KeybukI guess the problem from a non-quiet POV is that mountall's messages are going to be interleaved with others17:23
Keybukand usplash just flat out doesn't support that kind of model ;)17:23
KeybukI think we should just make sure the default case works (quiet), and worry about properly fixing (or throwing away) non-quiet for lynx17:23
keesokay, I'll put the latter CLEAR back in.  are there other changes that need to go in?  I'd like to get this uploaded for the selinux fix too.17:23
Keybukthere are other changes that need to go in17:23
Keybukplease stop rushing17:24
keessorry, I'm trying to give as much time as possible to "stabilization" before final.17:24
Keybukan hour or thinking saves a week of bug fixing :p17:25
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LaserJockanybody know the bug # for the issue with incomplete language support after install?17:33
slangasekLaserJock: 452516 (on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.milestone=12698)17:34
LaserJockslangasek: thanks, did you see my edubuntu-meta upload?17:36
slangasekLaserJock: yes, that's why it's been accepted ;)17:36
LaserJockdoh, so it has17:37
Keybukbryce_: the fun thing about my nouveau failure is this message...17:45
Keybuk[    2.734902] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon17:45
Keybukthat's the second nvidia card, without any displays plugged in17:45
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apwslangasek, i assume you want this dove-z0 meta change uploaded ?17:56
pitti_dpm-afk, ArneGoetje, slangasek: argh; the new langpacks are missing quite a few .po files, such as gdm, evolution, glade3, gnome-games, gnome-panel-2.0, gtk2.0; what happened?18:08
pitti_dpm-afk, ArneGoetje, slangasek: oh, seems it's just an old gettext on rookery18:11
pitti_I'm too easily scared on a Friday afternoon..18:12
raffertyanyone have luck with Sound on a Thinkpad x200 with Karmic?18:21
apwrafferty, did you ask on #ubuntu+1 ?  that would be my first port of call18:24
raffertytried, no response.18:24
raffertyis there an alsa irq?18:24
apwits pretty close to release and people are running about like mad people i expect18:25
apwslangasek, about?18:27
zulanyone know why autofs would conflict would itself?18:33
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Keybuksladen: about?18:47
Keybuk(re: sreadahead issues)18:47
Notch-1how can i stop cron to send tons of mails? or where i can set a valid address in order to avoid my /var/log/mail.* and /var/spool/nullmailer to grow VERY quickly?18:53
joaopintoNotch-1, the support channels are #ubuntu and #ubuntu+118:57
Notch-1it's hard to get answer there, 1500 people... and it's a tricky question i think, so if you can help, please do it18:59
ScottKNotch-1: It's explained in the cron man page and trouble getting an answer elsewhere doesn't make this a support channel.19:04
Notch-1ScottK: yeah, my mans are very short, don't know why... anyway i finally figured it out thanks to wikipedia and some other 100 forums or so... it's not easy to undestand you guys, so i use to ask here, the source...19:08
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wolfeyou know, I really wanted the name to be Orgasmic Koala or some inappropriately funny name ;D20:21
sorenCan someone with moderator powers for ubuntu-devel please let en e-mail through for me (from nijaba, subject: UEC appliance).20:54
cjwatsonsoren: done20:56
sorencjwatson: Thanks very much.20:57
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directhexcjwatson, did you hear the headline number i produced yesterday? f-spot&tomboy&deps footprint is down by 12 meg from Intrepid (6 meg from Jaunty)21:21
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cjwatsondirecthex: I saw, that's pretty cool21:33
directhexsadly i think we're hitting the limits of what we can scalpel off21:34
flowerdoes aptitude on ubuntu ignores /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/apt/conf?21:34
Keybukdirecthex: has Mono finally started doing shared libraries? :)21:45
directhexKeybuk, in what way?21:45
Keybukif two apps both use Gtk#, do you still get two copies of Gtk# in memory?21:46
directhexi haven't checked. i don't think so, but miguel or one of his team is better equipped to answer that21:47
lifelessoh, whether it mmaps the file, or copies it in?21:47
Keybukin C, shared libraries are shared in memory as well as on disk21:47
Keybukwith the PLT mapped copy-on-write so each app can have its own relocations21:48
Keybukbut basically, the entire library memory is shared21:48
lifelessall in userspace IIRC21:48
Keybukin Mono, that never used to be the case, and each Mono app needed its own copy of each shared library21:48
Keybukbecause it did JIT independantly and stuff21:48
Keybukthis meant the memory requirements of Mono apps were truly large21:48
flowerdo you use aptitude or apt-get?21:50
flowerdoes aptitude on ubuntu ignores /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/apt/conf?21:50
flowerit seems that apt-get respects it, aptitude not21:51
hyperairit shouldn't ignore21:51
hyperairwhat option are you setting exactly?21:51
flowerfor example: http://pastebin.com/m75f7793621:52
hyperairwhat's version * supposed to be?21:52
flowerall versions21:52
hyperairbasically disabling pulseaudio from being installed?21:53
hyperairi don't see why you'd want to do that. =\21:53
hyperairi mean just apt-get remove and it won't come back21:53
flowerthat's another question21:53
flowerwhy does aptitude ignore it, that's the question21:54
Keybukit probably doesn't21:55
hyperairyeah. something else overrode it probably21:55
Keybukgiven "aptitude", probably the user21:56
flowermmh when I test it with pavucontrol, apt-get doesn't install pulseaudio, aptitude does21:56
hyperairaptitude purge pulseaudioblah, followed by aptitude hold pulseaudioblah21:57
hyperairi think that should pretty much stick it in position21:57
Keybukflower: yes, but did aptitude tell you it was having to install pulseaudio to solve a solution?21:59
flowerKeybuk: no21:59
floweraptitude hold doesn't work either, when testing it with pavucontrol22:03
Keybukdon't use aptitude then ;)22:04
flowerit shouldn't happen... in Ubuntu22:05
dupondjefinal is almost there :)22:06
dupondjebut still nobody fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 :P22:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391035 in aptitude "aptitude stops displaying downloads" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:06
Keybukflower: why not?  we don't recommend people use aptitude22:07
joaopintodupondje, I don't think that's critical enough to deserver a post RC fix22:07
Keybukuse synaptic or ubuntu software centre22:07
dupondjejoaopinto: I can understand ;)22:07
dupondjedid build own package now for it22:08
dupondjeit works here ;)22:08
floweris it possible to remove aptitude or is tasksel very important?22:08
joaopintoflower, man tasksel22:08
flowerjoaopinto: I don't think I ever used that. Is that an alternative for apt-get?22:13
joaopintoflower, read it's manpage :)22:14
flowerjoaopinto: mmh yeah, try to understand it... looks handy for generating debian cds or something22:14
simon-ofabrice_sp: Thanks for your comment on bug 459164 I'll take a look at it soon. And thanks for sponsoring my stuff :)22:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459164 in gnoemoe "FTBFS with GCC 4.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45916422:15
cjwatsonflower: tasksel is in ubuntu-minimal because the installer needs it. Unfortunately, removing it will also remove ubuntu-minimal, which is *permitted* but it does mean that you may have a harder time on upgrades22:16
cjwatsonone of these days I should make it dynamically installed or something22:16
flowercjwatson: thanks!22:16
cjwatsonaptitude is definitely kind of heavy for a debootstrapped chroot22:17
fabrice_spsimon-o, you're welcome. And thanks, for making Ubuntu better ;-)22:17
flowercjwatson: but do you understand why aptitude doesn't listen to /etc/apt/preferences here?22:17
cjwatsonflower: I don't know about that22:17
mvoif the release upgrader is used, ubuntu-minimal will be put back by it if missing. it does not like when its not there22:17
flowercjwatson: you guyst always use apt-get?22:18
flower*smart guys ...22:18
* mvo uses apt-get and is on his way to bed22:18
flowerapt-get install REM-sleep22:19
flowergood nicht22:19
arandcjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/445067 is, to me, a rather nasty one, you think there's reason enough to worry/fix before final?22:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445067 in ubiquity "ubiquity overwrites VBR of extended partition" [Undecided,New]22:19
cjwatsonflower: depends what I'm doing. aptitude has a more capable UI, but I rarely bother22:19
cjwatsonarand: I'm pretty sure that we've never taken22:19
cjwatsonarand: ... much care to preserve extended boot records22:19
cjwatsonso I have a hard time justifying it as an OH MY GOD item?22:20
cjwatsonI'm guessing it's probably the fact that partman resizes extended partitions as needed22:20
arandhmm, fair enough, but I'm kind of bothered since I keep grub there :/22:20
cjwatsonI'm certainly not denying it's a bug - it just doesn't seem like the sort of regression that means we'd need to use some of the very few hours we have left to fix it22:21
cjwatsonif it's demonstrated that it doesn't happen with older releases, that would increase the urgency22:21
arandalso, this happens even if the installer isn't touching the extended (e.g. installing to a different HD)22:22
cjwatsonum, why do you say extended boot records though?22:22
cjwatsonsda1 is *not* an extended partition22:22
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cjwatsonyour bug is very confusing22:22
cjwatsonyou say you've installed grub to the extended boot record (hd0,4) (grub1 syntax, so /dev/sda5) - but then the dd commands you give are dumping from /dev/sda122:23
cjwatsonwhich is it?22:23
wgrantThe website is still showing the beta. Shouldn't it advertise the RC now?22:26
arandhmm, yea, it needs clarification...22:26
cjwatsonthe technical term for /dev/sda1 is a primary partition. Extended partitions do not have device nodes. /dev/sda5 is a logical partition. GRUB, as far as I can see, will never actually install to the extended boot record (the boot sector of the extended partition), only to the MBR or to the boot sector of a primary or logical partition.22:28
cjwatsonarand: does that help clarify terms?22:28
arandcjwatson: Ok, so I create an (what I would call) extended partition sda1, which contains sda5 and sda6 (which ubuntu is istalled to) in the installer I specified installing grub to sda1 (meaning I will have to chainload it, which I did by grub-root(0,4)-setup), I then ran ubiquity to install on a completely different haddrive, which meant that the chainloadable grub on sda1 was overwritten (mbr one still intact), resulting in22:32
cjwatsonit's not possible to create an extended partition sda122:33
cjwatsonsda1 cannot contain other partitions22:34
cjwatsonso I cannot comprehend your report22:34
cjwatsonI suggest attaching installation logs to your bug report (/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/installer/partman)22:34
arandHmm, i'm sure that's how I did it in vbox... anyhow, my current system has sda4 as extended, and grub installed to it for chainloading, which will be overwritten if I try to install karmic to, for example, a usb stick22:36
arand"grub installed" here meaning installed to the first 512 of it (afaik)22:37
cjwatsonarand: again, sda4 is not an extended partition, it is a primary partition22:47
cjwatsonarand: please stop using the word "extended" to refer to primary or logical partitions; it's really really confusing22:48
cjwatsonnothing that you'll find in /dev is an extended partition22:48
cjwatson(hd0,4) in grub isn't an extended partition either22:48
sbeattiecjwatson: fdisk confuses the matter like so: $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep Extended22:49
sbeattie/dev/sda3            3136      182401  1439954145    5  Extended22:49
arandSorry, but yea so does gparted in that case... : /dev/sda4 : filesystem: Extended, hence me calling it so..22:51
cjwatsonoh, hah, ok fair point22:51
cjwatsonin that case I take back my comments with some embarrassment :)22:51
cjwatsonit's very unusual to have sda1 as an extended partition of course, since some BIOSes can't boot if you do that22:52
cjwatsonso I offer that as partial defence :)22:52
cjwatsonarand: ok, sorry about that :-( in that case, it probably is just partman packing the extended partition, and not dealing with copying the boot records around. Exactly why it's doing that should be deducible from your installation logs, if you could attach them to the report please?22:53
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arandHmm, I'm not completely sure how I managed to get sda1 as an extended on the vbox, anyhow, the machine with sda4 is the one where it matters, now I at least have something substantial to blame :) btw, is the logs saved to the installed system or are they lost as you exit the livecd?22:59
cjwatsonarand: they're saved to /var/log/installer/23:00
cjwatson22:34 <cjwatson> I suggest attaching installation logs to your bug report (/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/installer/partman)23:00
chrisccoulsonshould we be adding "regression-release" tags to regression bugs now which are unlikely to be fixed before final but are candidates for SRU after karmic release (or still using "regression-potential")?23:06
Keybukso, this is on a hard drive23:06
Keybukwing-commander src# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches23:06
Keybukwing-commander src# time /sbin/sreadahead --no-fork23:06
Keybuk(some time passes)23:06
Keybuk/sbin/sreadahead --no-fork  0.00s user 0.14s system 0% cpu 36.222 total23:06
Keybukwing-commander src# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches23:07
Keybukwing-commander src# time ./ureadahead23:07
Keybuk./ureadahead --verbose  0.00s user 0.04s system 2% cpu 2.157 total23:07
sconklinhey akgraner, you here?23:08
akgranersconklin, what's up?23:09
sconklinthe feed tool I was trying to remember earlier and brain-faded on is just google reader - it's under the 'more' tab on your google home page23:09
sconklinakgraner: ^^23:09
akgranersconklin, oh cool...:-)23:10
akgranerI was just working on setting all that up23:10
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jakaanyone awake23:48
arandcjwatson: logs attached now, does that comment make sense?23:48
jakawas just wondering23:48
jakawhats the major difference in lenny vs jaunty23:49
wasabi__One's Debian, and ones Ubuntu?23:50
jakaerm k23:50
wgrantAnd one is a year newer.23:51
wasabi__Is this a real question23:51
jakano actually23:51
* ogra wondered that as well23:51
jakafrom a developer point of view23:57
jakawhats great about kde to gnome23:57
jakaand why has ubuntu chosen kde over gnome23:57
lifelessjaka: Ubuntu is GNOME based23:58
lifelessjaka: your question doesn't make any sense23:58
jakawhere's the channel for it23:58
lifelesschannel for what23:58
jakathere's one for kde but not rfor gnome23:58
jakaubuntu gnome?23:58
cjwatsonarand: thanks, will trawl that when I get a chance23:58
lifelessjaka: I don't think there is one. There is a channel for Gnome on the Gnome IRC network - see the gnome.org website for details23:59
cjwatsonarand: I think there are at least two bugs here ...23:59

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