| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: stil here ? | 04:32 |
|---|---|---|
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: only just, gonna turn in soon, problem? | 04:33 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: wanted to ask you if there is any other task | 04:33 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: lol, no shortage! | 04:33 |
| nigel_nb_ | the ones on the task list are not what I'm comfortable with | 04:33 |
| starcraftman | what ya mean? | 04:34 |
| nigel_nb_ | wine, network, | 04:34 |
| nigel_nb_ | but wine might be okay... I'm going through it | 04:34 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: ahhh. | 04:34 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag | 04:34 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: there's no shortage of pages tagged for work. | 04:35 |
| nigel_nb_ | oh | 04:35 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: areas of focus are the content, style, needs expansion pages I suppose. | 04:35 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: on it | 04:35 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: thanks.. | 04:35 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: click the "list pages with tag" to do so, you'll see a long list of pages need working on. | 04:35 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: saw that | 04:35 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: thats a really really long list | 04:36 |
| starcraftman | XD | 04:36 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: not gonna be running out any time now eh? :) | 04:36 |
| starcraftman | well, I Think i'm off for night. Have fun. | 04:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: ok.. g nite... | 04:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: btw.. wanted to ask you | 04:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: u in montreal? | 04:37 |
| starcraftman | lol | 04:37 |
| starcraftman | I R :) | 04:37 |
| starcraftman | well, close enough, don't live on Island but do most stuff there. | 04:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | ah... | 04:38 |
| starcraftman | why? | 04:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | just asked... | 04:38 |
| starcraftman | oh ok | 04:38 |
| starcraftman | well there ya go. | 04:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | interesting city | 04:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | so... | 04:38 |
| starcraftman | Et je peux parler bien le francais quand il me faut :) | 04:38 |
| starcraftman | yup, nice place. | 04:39 |
| nigel_nb_ | J'apprends aussi | 04:40 |
| nigel_nb_ | just starting out | 04:40 |
| starcraftman | Hehe, good for ya. Nice to know different languages. | 04:40 |
| nigel_nb_ | haha.. talk to an Indian about languages | 04:41 |
| nigel_nb_ | our country has got 1500 mother tongues :D | 04:41 |
| nigel_nb_ | i hardly know 4 | 04:41 |
| starcraftman | lol, uh, Canada's only got 2 thankfully. | 04:42 |
| nigel_nb_ | yep i know | 04:42 |
| starcraftman | And I know 2. 100% :) | 04:42 |
| nigel_nb_ | lucky | 04:42 |
| starcraftman | hehe | 04:42 |
| nigel_nb_ | night.. I'm going too | 04:43 |
| starcraftman | later | 04:43 |
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| starcraftman | mdke: when ya get a moment and your around, I'd like to talk to ya. I'll be around most of the day, so ping me when your available. | 14:32 |
| trijntje | is the kde documentation team still active? | 14:33 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: I dunno, prolly ought look into that given how I'm a big k user now. | 14:34 |
| starcraftman | something I can help ya with? | 14:34 |
| jjesse | the kde-docs team is active | 14:35 |
| jjesse | found at #kde-docs | 14:35 |
| jjesse | nixternal and myself maintain the kubuntu-docs package from a writing and building point of view | 14:35 |
| starcraftman | jjesse: only two of ya? | 14:36 |
| trijntje | starcraftman, well, i'm translating the systemdoc from kubuntu, but things are slowing down because it seems quite outdated | 14:36 |
| jjesse | yes only two | 14:36 |
| starcraftman | jjesse: hmmm, when I get a bit more time I'll look into it. I been meaning to get learned in docs anyhow. | 14:36 |
| starcraftman | maybe the weekend. | 14:36 |
| jjesse | coolio, i should be around so you can ping me | 14:37 |
| trijntje | jjesse, I see, two is very few for a doc team | 14:37 |
| jjesse | yes it is | 14:37 |
| trijntje | jjesse, is launchpad the proper place to file bugs about the documentation? | 14:41 |
| jjesse | yes | 14:41 |
| trijntje | jjesse, ill keep doing that than, good luck with the documentation. You must be working your ass off with just two members | 14:43 |
| jjesse | we try to keep up but it isn't always successfull, i know nixternal and i are trying to meet up in the lucid cylce to completely rebuild the docs so it would be nice to have more help | 14:44 |
| starcraftman | jjesse: meet up in person? where ya located? | 14:44 |
| jjesse | nixternal is in chicago, IL, i'm in Grand Rapids, MI and we are trying to meet halfway | 14:45 |
| trijntje | the dutch translation team is supposed to check all documentation it translates, so that should turn up quite some of the current errors | 14:45 |
| starcraftman | jjesse: ah I see. Hehe, northern Canadian here in the French Province. | 14:49 |
| adiroiban | hm | 15:31 |
| adiroiban | this channel is only for ubuntu-doc ? | 15:31 |
| adiroiban | and not for kubuntu and xubuntu docs? | 15:31 |
| trijntje | adiroiban, i believe kubuntu is in #kde-docs | 15:33 |
| adiroiban | uhh | 15:33 |
| adiroiban | :( | 15:33 |
| adiroiban | it would be nice to have a common channel | 15:33 |
| adiroiban | since they are not to active anyway | 15:33 |
| adiroiban | and some issues are common to all docs | 15:33 |
| trijntje | I think this counts as common, but i'm only a guest here | 15:34 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: what ya mean guest? Everyones welcome long as they doing doc work. | 15:54 |
| starcraftman | adiroiban: problem? | 15:54 |
| adiroiban | starcraftman: I don't know if kubuntu-docs package was updated for this release | 16:28 |
| trijntje | starcraftman, its more like i'm just here today and know little of documentation ;) | 16:29 |
| jjesse | it was updated, nixternal should've published a new one, mdke could create a package for kubuntu-docs as nixternal is out for the next 2 months | 16:36 |
| adiroiban | so everything is OK with kubuntu-docs ? | 16:46 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: ah, well don't be shy to get involved, plenty of things to help out with. You too adiroiban. :) | 16:50 |
| adiroiban | :) | 16:50 |
| trijntje | starcraftman, maybe, if all translations are done ;) | 17:10 |
| dpm | is anyone familiar with kubuntu-docs here? We expose the following documents for translation in Launchpad, but they are not in the package and I believe they are obsolete, just need to double-check: | 17:33 |
| dpm | * preface | 17:33 |
| dpm | * basic-concepts | 17:33 |
| dpm | * desktopguide | 17:33 |
| dpm | * programming | 17:33 |
| dpm | Is nixternal the only maintainer? Who writes the documentation for Kubuntu? | 17:34 |
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| trijntje | dpm, jjesse is also from kubuntu-docs | 17:50 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: are you there? just a doubt | 17:56 |
| jjesse | i wirte the docs don't build them | 17:58 |
| jjesse | i think desktopguide and programming are a part of ubuntu-docs? but dont know for sure | 17:59 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: I R | 18:00 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: every time I edit a wiki, am I supposed to say that on the tasks page ? | 18:01 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: you mean this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development | 18:02 |
| nigel_nb_ | yep | 18:02 |
| nigel_nb_ | exactly that one starcraftman | 18:02 |
| starcraftman | as ya like. I mean if its a big page like the swap faq or when I did drive imaging. I imagine. If ya just fixing a few typos on a page no. Generally it's for pages that'll take ya a week or so to do, tells other members what ya up to and not to edit your page unless ya say so. | 18:03 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: okay. I got some time tonight. Thought of getting some wiki work done | 18:04 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: I appreciate your enthusiasm :) | 18:04 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: :) | 18:04 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: I told ya about doc meeting right this weekend for the fg? | 18:06 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: your on the list right? | 18:06 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: no | 18:06 |
| starcraftman | New beginners mail list I mean. | 18:06 |
| nigel_nb_ | wait.. where do I join that? | 18:07 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: there are so many lists I'm on that its confusing nw | 18:07 |
| starcraftman | lol, not surprising. | 18:07 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-beginners | 18:08 |
| starcraftman | Voila. | 18:08 |
| starcraftman | Doc team one is separate, ya should be on that one too. This one just for BT business. | 18:09 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: where is this list posted? I do not see a link to this list anywhere | 18:09 |
| starcraftman | well doc mailing list posted on our wiki fg page. I guess ought to edit in the new mail list to join us page. | 18:09 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: this is new? | 18:10 |
| nigel_nb_ | no wonder I didn't know about it earlier | 18:10 |
| starcraftman | Indeed, an open mailing list. | 18:10 |
| nigel_nb_ | how do u guys keep track of different time zones? | 18:10 |
| nigel_nb_ | do u have a program or just calculate in your head? | 18:11 |
| starcraftman | Last one was thru lp, required ya to be a member. Wasn't so good, no paddys were allowed. | 18:11 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: oh | 18:11 |
| starcraftman | Uh, I hope for the best that my brain works it nigel_nb_ :) There are many convertors if your wondering. | 18:11 |
| nigel_nb_ | hunting for one now star | 18:11 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: I can attend this one rite? | 18:12 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: aw.. bad timing... Its at 1:40 AM... I'd be at work | 18:13 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: attend what one? | 18:13 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: the meeting | 18:13 |
| starcraftman | oh sure, your allowed. | 18:13 |
| starcraftman | Anyone allowed long as they have business at meeting or are part of fg team. | 18:14 |
| nigel_nb_ | ah | 18:15 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: these are not on the fridge? | 18:17 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: nope, doc team doesn't really meet that often, so we don't. I'll send another note to new mail list later to remind folks again. | 18:18 |
| starcraftman | and by doc team, I mean wiki fg | 18:19 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: oh ok. Its a bit confusing coz there is the wiki fg and "the doc team" and on the wiki, its a bit confusing for new comers like me | 18:19 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: INdeed, I'm rewriting the wiki fg homepage, it's not the clearest thing. | 18:20 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: we did get hit with a cleanup ;) | 18:20 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: aye, wanna see my draft page? I'd like comments. | 18:26 |
| nigel_nb_ | sure | 18:27 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox/Secret | 18:27 |
| starcraftman | I think it's more orderly, all comments welcome. | 18:27 |
| nigel_nb_ | checkign | 18:29 |
| nigel_nb_ | nicely organized | 18:30 |
| nigel_nb_ | i was just reading last team meeting | 18:30 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: its very good | 18:33 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: I suggest you replace the old page as soon as possible | 18:33 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: will do, I not the fastest person, will have it finished by meeting at latest so everyone can see it. | 18:36 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: I hope it cleared up difference in teams yes? | 18:36 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: yes | 18:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: and the pages to visit are more clear | 18:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | but there is one thing i noticed all over | 18:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | I dont know if its my problem or something to with the wiki as such | 18:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | most often we refer the user to another link and honestly, (s)he gets lost | 18:37 |
| nigel_nb_ | is it possible to have just ONE page, probably a really big page for a new user? | 18:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | it helps to stay in focus, otherwise a new user suddenly gets overwhelmed.. I was really overwhelmed | 18:38 |
| nigel_nb_ | thats my 2 bits.. I dont know its possible | 18:39 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: one really big page for the wiki fg home? egad man, have ya seen the compendium of text that is the writing/style/wiki/documentation team collection. The page would break infinity :p | 18:39 |
| nigel_nb_ | but right now, there are so many pages u want us to visit that | 18:39 |
| nigel_nb_ | if there is no one on IRC to guide, we get lost | 18:40 |
| nigel_nb_ | just coz ZachK_ and you were there on IRC.. I managed to find my way tht day | 18:40 |
| starcraftman | That's just the nature of wikis gotta have subdivided content and link. One reason books are good, only one way to read em, front to back. | 18:40 |
| nigel_nb_ | even that would be great | 18:41 |
| nigel_nb_ | what I mean is something that is logically connecting | 18:41 |
| nigel_nb_ | some ebook? | 18:41 |
| nigel_nb_ | for the entire FG? | 18:41 |
| starcraftman | lol | 18:42 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: I think that'd be an impossible task. Theres too much content and it's always changing and evolving. | 18:42 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: I just realized thta | 18:42 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: we'd need another FG to maintain that :D | 18:42 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: just have to go one page at a time and read carefully. I try to stay on the page long as I can and when needed link off. Always keep parent wiki page open to go back to. | 18:43 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: thats what am doing now | 18:43 |
| nigel_nb_ | but its easy for someone new to get lost | 18:43 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: indeed, and that's what we here for. Don't forget about sandbox page, can always experiment. | 18:44 |
| nigel_nb_ | thats what I'm thinkin about.. now about me exactly.. about someone who comes when no one IRC is there to help | 18:44 |
| nigel_nb_ | * not about me exactly * correction | 18:44 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: well, I make it pretty clear on new page where to see on IRC for questions. Most people hang out here, I can't handle all eventualities. | 18:44 |
| nigel_nb_ | true starcraftman | 18:45 |
| nigel_nb_ | probably we'll have to leave it that way to find people who can navigate through the jungle lol :D | 18:45 |
| starcraftman | nigel_nb_: hmmm, when ya put it that way, like an entry test just reading all the right documentation and making it to IRC. | 18:47 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: yep | 18:47 |
| nigel_nb_ | starcraftman: the right channel too | 18:48 |
| trijntje | what does FG stands for? | 19:02 |
| nigel_nb_ | Focus Group trijntje | 19:03 |
| trijntje | oh dear.. | 19:03 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: nothing you need worry about, Doc Team isn't related. Ya know where main documentation pages are yes? | 19:08 |
| trijntje | starcraftman, not really I'm afraid :P | 19:08 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: lmao, page ain't gonna eat ya :p | 19:09 |
| starcraftman | trijntje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | 19:09 |
| mdke | adiroiban: I don't think translations have been imported for kubuntu-docs | 22:36 |
| adiroiban | yep | 22:36 |
| mdke | dpm-afk: ^ | 22:36 |
| adiroiban | I'm building them now | 22:36 |
| mdke | ah, cool | 22:36 |
| adiroiban | in debian/rules all rules for copying the translations were commented | 22:37 |
| mdke | I haven't looked at the packaging for kubuntu-docs for several releases, I doubt it is similar to ubuntu-docs | 22:37 |
| adiroiban | is not similar | 22:37 |
| adiroiban | :( | 22:37 |
| adiroiban | also Kubuntu help Center is using HTML files | 22:37 |
| adiroiban | not XML | 22:37 |
| adiroiban | but maybe for the next release we can make them look more similar | 22:38 |
| mdke | yes, khelpcenter doesn't read xml afaik | 22:39 |
| adiroiban | nope | 22:39 |
| mdke | it would be awesome for them to get a bit closer together, but I think that we will need the respective upstreams to work together a bit | 22:39 |
| adiroiban | this is the kubuntu-docs for jaunty http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/kubuntu-docs/filelist | 22:39 |
| adiroiban | I think the only major diference is that kubuntu-docs xml files are stored in docs/ folder | 22:40 |
| adiroiban | rather than the root folder | 22:40 |
| mdke | yes, I think that we transitioned into the root folder and kubuntu-docs didn't follow... | 22:42 |
| adiroiban | so maybe they will also move those files in the next release | 22:42 |
| adiroiban | they also have libs and scripts folders | 22:43 |
| mdke | it could do with a bit of work, definitely | 22:43 |
| adiroiban | and basicaly similar xsl files | 22:43 |
| adiroiban | I talked with jjesse and he was ok | 22:44 |
| adiroiban | mdke: still up and runnig ? :) | 23:08 |
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