[04:32] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: stil here ?
[04:33] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: only just, gonna turn in soon, problem?
[04:33] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: wanted to ask you if there is any other task
[04:33] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: lol, no shortage!
[04:33] <nigel_nb_> the ones on the task list are not what I'm comfortable with
[04:34] <starcraftman> what ya mean?
[04:34] <nigel_nb_> wine, network,
[04:34] <nigel_nb_> but wine might be okay... I'm going through it
[04:34] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: ahhh.
[04:34] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[04:35] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: there's no shortage of pages tagged for work.
[04:35] <nigel_nb_> oh
[04:35] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: areas of focus are the content, style, needs expansion pages I suppose.
[04:35] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: on it
[04:35] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: thanks..
[04:35] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: click the "list pages with tag" to do so, you'll see a long list of pages need working on.
[04:35] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: saw that
[04:36] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: thats a really really long list
[04:36] <starcraftman> XD
[04:36] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: not gonna be running out any time now eh? :)
[04:37] <starcraftman> well, I Think i'm off for night. Have fun.
[04:37] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: ok.. g nite...
[04:37] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: btw.. wanted to ask you
[04:37] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: u in montreal?
[04:37] <starcraftman> lol
[04:37] <starcraftman> I R :)
[04:38] <starcraftman> well, close enough, don't live on Island but do most stuff there.
[04:38] <nigel_nb_> ah...
[04:38] <starcraftman> why?
[04:38] <nigel_nb_> just asked...
[04:38] <starcraftman> oh ok
[04:38] <starcraftman> well there ya go.
[04:38] <nigel_nb_> interesting city
[04:38] <nigel_nb_> so...
[04:38] <starcraftman> Et je peux parler bien le francais quand il me faut :)
[04:39] <starcraftman> yup, nice place.
[04:40] <nigel_nb_> J'apprends aussi
[04:40] <nigel_nb_> just starting out
[04:40] <starcraftman> Hehe, good for ya. Nice to know different languages.
[04:41] <nigel_nb_> haha.. talk to an Indian about languages
[04:41] <nigel_nb_> our country has got 1500 mother tongues :D
[04:41] <nigel_nb_> i hardly know 4
[04:42] <starcraftman> lol, uh, Canada's only got 2 thankfully.
[04:42] <nigel_nb_> yep i know
[04:42] <starcraftman> And I know 2. 100% :)
[04:42] <nigel_nb_> lucky
[04:42] <starcraftman> hehe
[04:43] <nigel_nb_> night.. I'm going too
[04:43] <starcraftman> later
[14:32] <starcraftman> mdke: when ya get a moment and your around, I'd like to talk to ya. I'll be around most of the day, so ping me when your available.
[14:33] <trijntje> is the kde documentation team still active?
[14:34] <starcraftman> trijntje: I dunno, prolly ought look into that given how I'm a big k user now.
[14:34] <starcraftman> something I can help ya with?
[14:35] <jjesse> the kde-docs team is active
[14:35] <jjesse> found at #kde-docs
[14:35] <jjesse> nixternal and myself maintain the kubuntu-docs package from a writing and building point of view
[14:36] <starcraftman> jjesse: only two of ya?
[14:36] <trijntje> starcraftman, well, i'm translating the systemdoc from kubuntu, but things are slowing down because it seems quite outdated
[14:36] <jjesse> yes only two
[14:36] <starcraftman> jjesse: hmmm, when I get a bit more time I'll look into it. I been meaning to get learned in docs anyhow.
[14:36] <starcraftman> maybe the weekend.
[14:37] <jjesse> coolio, i should be around so you can ping me
[14:37] <trijntje> jjesse, I see, two is very few for a doc team
[14:37] <jjesse> yes it is
[14:41] <trijntje> jjesse, is launchpad the proper place to file bugs about the documentation?
[14:41] <jjesse> yes
[14:43] <trijntje> jjesse, ill keep doing that than, good luck with the documentation. You must be working your ass off with just two members
[14:44] <jjesse> we try to keep up but it isn't always successfull, i know nixternal and i are trying to meet up in the lucid cylce to completely rebuild the docs so it would be nice to have more help
[14:44] <starcraftman> jjesse: meet up in person? where ya located?
[14:45] <jjesse> nixternal is in chicago, IL, i'm in Grand Rapids, MI and we are trying to meet halfway
[14:45] <trijntje> the dutch translation team is supposed to check all documentation it translates, so that should turn up quite some of the current errors
[14:49] <starcraftman> jjesse: ah I see. Hehe, northern Canadian here in the French Province.
[15:31] <adiroiban> hm
[15:31] <adiroiban> this channel is only for ubuntu-doc ?
[15:31] <adiroiban> and not for kubuntu and xubuntu docs?
[15:33] <trijntje> adiroiban, i believe kubuntu is in #kde-docs
[15:33] <adiroiban> uhh
[15:33] <adiroiban> :(
[15:33] <adiroiban> it would be nice to have a common channel
[15:33] <adiroiban> since they are not to active anyway
[15:33] <adiroiban> and some issues are common to all docs
[15:34] <trijntje> I think this counts as common, but i'm only a guest here
[15:54] <starcraftman> trijntje: what ya mean guest? Everyones welcome long as they doing doc work.
[15:54] <starcraftman> adiroiban: problem?
[16:28] <adiroiban> starcraftman: I don't know if kubuntu-docs package was updated for this release
[16:29] <trijntje> starcraftman, its more like i'm just here today and know little of documentation ;)
[16:36] <jjesse> it was updated, nixternal should've published a new one, mdke could create a package for kubuntu-docs as nixternal is out for the next 2 months
[16:46] <adiroiban> so everything is OK with kubuntu-docs ?
[16:50] <starcraftman> trijntje: ah, well don't be shy to get involved, plenty of things to help out with. You too adiroiban. :)
[16:50] <adiroiban> :)
[17:10] <trijntje> starcraftman, maybe, if all translations are done ;)
[17:33] <dpm> is anyone familiar with kubuntu-docs here? We expose the following documents for translation in Launchpad, but they are not in the package and I believe they are obsolete, just need to double-check:
[17:33] <dpm> * preface
[17:33] <dpm> * basic-concepts
[17:33] <dpm> * desktopguide
[17:33] <dpm> * programming
[17:34] <dpm> Is nixternal the only maintainer? Who writes the documentation for Kubuntu?
[17:50] <trijntje> dpm, jjesse is also from kubuntu-docs
[17:56] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: are you there? just a doubt
[17:58] <jjesse> i wirte the docs don't build them
[17:59] <jjesse> i think desktopguide and programming are a part of ubuntu-docs? but dont know for sure
[18:00] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: I R
[18:01] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: every time I edit a wiki, am I supposed to say that on the tasks page ?
[18:02] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: you mean this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development
[18:02] <nigel_nb_> yep
[18:02] <nigel_nb_> exactly that one starcraftman
[18:03] <starcraftman> as ya like. I mean if its a big page like the swap faq or when I did drive imaging. I imagine. If ya just fixing a few typos on a page no. Generally it's for pages that'll take ya a week or so to do, tells other members what ya up to and not to edit your page unless ya say so.
[18:04] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: okay. I got some time tonight.  Thought of getting some wiki work done
[18:04] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: I appreciate your enthusiasm :)
[18:04] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: :)
[18:06] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: I told ya about doc meeting right this weekend for the fg?
[18:06] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: your on the list right?
[18:06] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: no
[18:06] <starcraftman> New beginners mail list I mean.
[18:07] <nigel_nb_> wait.. where do I join that?
[18:07] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: there are so many lists I'm on that its confusing nw
[18:07] <starcraftman> lol, not surprising.
[18:08] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-beginners
[18:08] <starcraftman> Voila.
[18:09] <starcraftman> Doc team one is separate, ya should be on that one too. This one just for BT business.
[18:09] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: where is this list posted? I do not see a link to this list anywhere
[18:09] <starcraftman> well doc mailing list posted on our wiki fg page. I guess ought to edit in the new mail list to join us page.
[18:10] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: this is new?
[18:10] <nigel_nb_> no wonder I didn't know about it earlier
[18:10] <starcraftman> Indeed, an open mailing list.
[18:10] <nigel_nb_> how do u guys keep track of different time zones?
[18:11] <nigel_nb_> do u have a program or just calculate in your head?
[18:11] <starcraftman> Last one was thru lp, required ya to be a member. Wasn't so good, no paddys were allowed.
[18:11] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: oh
[18:11] <starcraftman> Uh, I hope for the best that my brain works it nigel_nb_ :) There are many convertors if your wondering.
[18:11] <nigel_nb_> hunting for one now star
[18:12] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: I can attend this one rite?
[18:13] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: aw.. bad timing... Its at 1:40 AM... I'd be at work
[18:13] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: attend what one?
[18:13] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: the meeting
[18:13] <starcraftman> oh sure, your allowed.
[18:14] <starcraftman> Anyone allowed long as they have business at meeting or are part of fg team.
[18:15] <nigel_nb_> ah
[18:17] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: these are not on the fridge?
[18:18] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: nope, doc team doesn't really meet that often, so we don't. I'll send another note to new mail list later to remind folks again.
[18:19] <starcraftman> and by doc team, I mean wiki fg
[18:19] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: oh ok.  Its a bit confusing coz there is the wiki fg and "the doc team" and on the wiki, its a bit confusing for new comers like me
[18:20] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: INdeed, I'm rewriting the wiki fg homepage, it's not the clearest thing.
[18:20] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: we did get hit with a cleanup ;)
[18:26] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: aye, wanna see my draft page? I'd like comments.
[18:27] <nigel_nb_> sure
[18:27] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox/Secret
[18:27] <starcraftman> I think it's more orderly, all comments welcome.
[18:29] <nigel_nb_> checkign
[18:30] <nigel_nb_> nicely organized
[18:30] <nigel_nb_> i was just reading last team meeting
[18:33] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: its very good
[18:33] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: I suggest you replace the old page as soon as possible
[18:36] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: will do, I not the fastest person, will have it finished by meeting at latest so everyone can see it.
[18:36] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: I hope it cleared up difference in teams yes?
[18:37] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: yes
[18:37] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: and the pages to visit are more clear
[18:37] <nigel_nb_> but there is one thing i noticed all over
[18:37] <nigel_nb_> I dont know if its my problem or something to with the wiki as such
[18:37] <nigel_nb_> most often we refer the user to another link and honestly, (s)he gets lost
[18:38] <nigel_nb_> is it possible to have just ONE page, probably a really big page for a new user?
[18:38] <nigel_nb_> it helps to stay in focus, otherwise a new user suddenly gets overwhelmed.. I was really overwhelmed
[18:39] <nigel_nb_> thats my 2 bits.. I dont know its possible
[18:39] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: one really big page for the wiki fg home? egad man, have ya seen the compendium of text that is the writing/style/wiki/documentation team collection. The page would break infinity :p
[18:39] <nigel_nb_> but right now, there are so many pages u want us to visit that
[18:40] <nigel_nb_> if there is no one on IRC to guide, we get lost
[18:40] <nigel_nb_> just coz ZachK_ and you were there on IRC.. I managed to find my way tht day
[18:40] <starcraftman> That's just the nature of wikis gotta have subdivided content and link. One reason books are good, only one way to read em, front to back.
[18:41] <nigel_nb_> even that would be great
[18:41] <nigel_nb_> what I mean is something that is logically connecting
[18:41] <nigel_nb_> some ebook?
[18:41] <nigel_nb_> for the entire FG?
[18:42] <starcraftman> lol
[18:42] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: I think that'd be an impossible task. Theres too much content and it's always changing and evolving.
[18:42] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: I just realized thta
[18:42] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: we'd need another FG to maintain that :D
[18:43] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: just have to go one page at a time and read carefully. I try to stay on the page long as I can and when needed link off. Always keep parent wiki page open to go back to.
[18:43] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: thats what am doing now
[18:43] <nigel_nb_> but its easy for someone new to get lost
[18:44] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: indeed, and that's what we here for. Don't forget about sandbox page, can always experiment.
[18:44] <nigel_nb_> thats what I'm thinkin about.. now about me exactly.. about someone who comes when no one IRC is there to help
[18:44] <nigel_nb_> * not about me exactly * correction
[18:44] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: well, I make it pretty clear on new page where to see on IRC for questions. Most people hang out here, I can't handle all eventualities.
[18:45] <nigel_nb_> true starcraftman
[18:45] <nigel_nb_> probably we'll have to leave it that way to find people who can navigate through the jungle lol :D
[18:47] <starcraftman> nigel_nb_: hmmm, when ya put it that way, like an entry test just reading all the right documentation and making it to IRC.
[18:47] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: yep
[18:48] <nigel_nb_> starcraftman: the right channel too
[19:02] <trijntje> what does FG stands for?
[19:03] <nigel_nb_> Focus Group trijntje
[19:03] <trijntje> oh dear..
[19:08] <starcraftman> trijntje: nothing you need worry about, Doc Team isn't related. Ya know where main documentation pages are yes?
[19:08] <trijntje> starcraftman, not really I'm afraid :P
[19:09] <starcraftman> trijntje: lmao, page ain't gonna eat ya :p
[19:09] <starcraftman> trijntje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[22:36] <mdke> adiroiban: I don't think translations have been imported for kubuntu-docs
[22:36] <adiroiban> yep
[22:36] <mdke> dpm-afk: ^
[22:36] <adiroiban> I'm building them now
[22:36] <mdke> ah, cool
[22:37] <adiroiban> in debian/rules all rules for copying the translations were commented
[22:37] <mdke> I haven't looked at the packaging for kubuntu-docs for several releases, I doubt it is similar to ubuntu-docs
[22:37] <adiroiban> is not similar
[22:37] <adiroiban> :(
[22:37] <adiroiban> also Kubuntu help Center is using HTML files
[22:37] <adiroiban> not XML
[22:38] <adiroiban> but maybe for the next release we can make them look more similar
[22:39] <mdke> yes, khelpcenter doesn't read xml afaik
[22:39] <adiroiban> nope
[22:39] <mdke> it would be awesome for them to get a bit closer together, but I think that we will need the respective upstreams to work together a bit
[22:39] <adiroiban> this is the kubuntu-docs for jaunty http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/kubuntu-docs/filelist
[22:40] <adiroiban> I  think the only major diference is that kubuntu-docs xml files are stored in docs/ folder
[22:40] <adiroiban> rather than the root folder
[22:42] <mdke> yes, I think that we transitioned into the root folder and kubuntu-docs didn't follow...
[22:42] <adiroiban> so maybe they will also move those files in the next release
[22:43] <adiroiban> they also have libs and scripts folders
[22:43] <mdke> it could do with a bit of work, definitely
[22:43] <adiroiban> and basicaly similar xsl files
[22:44] <adiroiban> I talked with jjesse and he was ok
[23:08] <adiroiban> mdke: still up and runnig ? :)