[04:32] starcraftman: stil here ? [04:33] nigel_nb_: only just, gonna turn in soon, problem? [04:33] starcraftman: wanted to ask you if there is any other task [04:33] nigel_nb_: lol, no shortage! [04:33] the ones on the task list are not what I'm comfortable with [04:34] what ya mean? [04:34] wine, network, [04:34] but wine might be okay... I'm going through it [04:34] nigel_nb_: ahhh. [04:34] nigel_nb_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag [04:35] nigel_nb_: there's no shortage of pages tagged for work. [04:35] oh [04:35] nigel_nb_: areas of focus are the content, style, needs expansion pages I suppose. [04:35] starcraftman: on it [04:35] starcraftman: thanks.. [04:35] nigel_nb_: click the "list pages with tag" to do so, you'll see a long list of pages need working on. [04:35] starcraftman: saw that [04:36] starcraftman: thats a really really long list [04:36] XD [04:36] nigel_nb_: not gonna be running out any time now eh? :) [04:37] well, I Think i'm off for night. Have fun. [04:37] starcraftman: ok.. g nite... [04:37] starcraftman: btw.. wanted to ask you [04:37] starcraftman: u in montreal? [04:37] lol [04:37] I R :) [04:38] well, close enough, don't live on Island but do most stuff there. [04:38] ah... [04:38] why? [04:38] just asked... [04:38] oh ok [04:38] well there ya go. [04:38] interesting city [04:38] so... [04:38] Et je peux parler bien le francais quand il me faut :) [04:39] yup, nice place. [04:40] J'apprends aussi [04:40] just starting out [04:40] Hehe, good for ya. Nice to know different languages. [04:41] haha.. talk to an Indian about languages [04:41] our country has got 1500 mother tongues :D [04:41] i hardly know 4 [04:42] lol, uh, Canada's only got 2 thankfully. [04:42] yep i know [04:42] And I know 2. 100% :) [04:42] lucky [04:42] hehe [04:43] night.. I'm going too [04:43] later === starcraftman is now known as WikiNinja === WikiNinja is now known as starcraftman [14:32] mdke: when ya get a moment and your around, I'd like to talk to ya. I'll be around most of the day, so ping me when your available. [14:33] is the kde documentation team still active? [14:34] trijntje: I dunno, prolly ought look into that given how I'm a big k user now. [14:34] something I can help ya with? [14:35] the kde-docs team is active [14:35] found at #kde-docs [14:35] nixternal and myself maintain the kubuntu-docs package from a writing and building point of view [14:36] jjesse: only two of ya? [14:36] starcraftman, well, i'm translating the systemdoc from kubuntu, but things are slowing down because it seems quite outdated [14:36] yes only two [14:36] jjesse: hmmm, when I get a bit more time I'll look into it. I been meaning to get learned in docs anyhow. [14:36] maybe the weekend. [14:37] coolio, i should be around so you can ping me [14:37] jjesse, I see, two is very few for a doc team [14:37] yes it is [14:41] jjesse, is launchpad the proper place to file bugs about the documentation? [14:41] yes [14:43] jjesse, ill keep doing that than, good luck with the documentation. You must be working your ass off with just two members [14:44] we try to keep up but it isn't always successfull, i know nixternal and i are trying to meet up in the lucid cylce to completely rebuild the docs so it would be nice to have more help [14:44] jjesse: meet up in person? where ya located? [14:45] nixternal is in chicago, IL, i'm in Grand Rapids, MI and we are trying to meet halfway [14:45] the dutch translation team is supposed to check all documentation it translates, so that should turn up quite some of the current errors [14:49] jjesse: ah I see. Hehe, northern Canadian here in the French Province. [15:31] hm [15:31] this channel is only for ubuntu-doc ? [15:31] and not for kubuntu and xubuntu docs? [15:33] adiroiban, i believe kubuntu is in #kde-docs [15:33] uhh [15:33] :( [15:33] it would be nice to have a common channel [15:33] since they are not to active anyway [15:33] and some issues are common to all docs [15:34] I think this counts as common, but i'm only a guest here [15:54] trijntje: what ya mean guest? Everyones welcome long as they doing doc work. [15:54] adiroiban: problem? [16:28] starcraftman: I don't know if kubuntu-docs package was updated for this release [16:29] starcraftman, its more like i'm just here today and know little of documentation ;) [16:36] it was updated, nixternal should've published a new one, mdke could create a package for kubuntu-docs as nixternal is out for the next 2 months [16:46] so everything is OK with kubuntu-docs ? [16:50] trijntje: ah, well don't be shy to get involved, plenty of things to help out with. You too adiroiban. :) [16:50] :) [17:10] starcraftman, maybe, if all translations are done ;) [17:33] is anyone familiar with kubuntu-docs here? We expose the following documents for translation in Launchpad, but they are not in the package and I believe they are obsolete, just need to double-check: [17:33] * preface [17:33] * basic-concepts [17:33] * desktopguide [17:33] * programming [17:34] Is nixternal the only maintainer? Who writes the documentation for Kubuntu? === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [17:50] dpm, jjesse is also from kubuntu-docs [17:56] starcraftman: are you there? just a doubt [17:58] i wirte the docs don't build them [17:59] i think desktopguide and programming are a part of ubuntu-docs? but dont know for sure [18:00] nigel_nb_: I R [18:01] starcraftman: every time I edit a wiki, am I supposed to say that on the tasks page ? [18:02] nigel_nb_: you mean this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development [18:02] yep [18:02] exactly that one starcraftman [18:03] as ya like. I mean if its a big page like the swap faq or when I did drive imaging. I imagine. If ya just fixing a few typos on a page no. Generally it's for pages that'll take ya a week or so to do, tells other members what ya up to and not to edit your page unless ya say so. [18:04] starcraftman: okay. I got some time tonight. Thought of getting some wiki work done [18:04] nigel_nb_: I appreciate your enthusiasm :) [18:04] starcraftman: :) [18:06] nigel_nb_: I told ya about doc meeting right this weekend for the fg? [18:06] nigel_nb_: your on the list right? [18:06] starcraftman: no [18:06] New beginners mail list I mean. [18:07] wait.. where do I join that? [18:07] starcraftman: there are so many lists I'm on that its confusing nw [18:07] lol, not surprising. [18:08] nigel_nb_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-beginners [18:08] Voila. [18:09] Doc team one is separate, ya should be on that one too. This one just for BT business. [18:09] starcraftman: where is this list posted? I do not see a link to this list anywhere [18:09] well doc mailing list posted on our wiki fg page. I guess ought to edit in the new mail list to join us page. [18:10] starcraftman: this is new? [18:10] no wonder I didn't know about it earlier [18:10] Indeed, an open mailing list. [18:10] how do u guys keep track of different time zones? [18:11] do u have a program or just calculate in your head? [18:11] Last one was thru lp, required ya to be a member. Wasn't so good, no paddys were allowed. [18:11] starcraftman: oh [18:11] Uh, I hope for the best that my brain works it nigel_nb_ :) There are many convertors if your wondering. [18:11] hunting for one now star [18:12] starcraftman: I can attend this one rite? [18:13] starcraftman: aw.. bad timing... Its at 1:40 AM... I'd be at work [18:13] nigel_nb_: attend what one? [18:13] starcraftman: the meeting [18:13] oh sure, your allowed. [18:14] Anyone allowed long as they have business at meeting or are part of fg team. [18:15] ah [18:17] starcraftman: these are not on the fridge? [18:18] nigel_nb_: nope, doc team doesn't really meet that often, so we don't. I'll send another note to new mail list later to remind folks again. [18:19] and by doc team, I mean wiki fg [18:19] starcraftman: oh ok. Its a bit confusing coz there is the wiki fg and "the doc team" and on the wiki, its a bit confusing for new comers like me [18:20] nigel_nb_: INdeed, I'm rewriting the wiki fg homepage, it's not the clearest thing. [18:20] starcraftman: we did get hit with a cleanup ;) [18:26] nigel_nb_: aye, wanna see my draft page? I'd like comments. [18:27] sure [18:27] nigel_nb_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox/Secret [18:27] I think it's more orderly, all comments welcome. [18:29] checkign [18:30] nicely organized [18:30] i was just reading last team meeting [18:33] starcraftman: its very good [18:33] starcraftman: I suggest you replace the old page as soon as possible [18:36] nigel_nb_: will do, I not the fastest person, will have it finished by meeting at latest so everyone can see it. [18:36] nigel_nb_: I hope it cleared up difference in teams yes? [18:37] starcraftman: yes [18:37] starcraftman: and the pages to visit are more clear [18:37] but there is one thing i noticed all over [18:37] I dont know if its my problem or something to with the wiki as such [18:37] most often we refer the user to another link and honestly, (s)he gets lost [18:38] is it possible to have just ONE page, probably a really big page for a new user? [18:38] it helps to stay in focus, otherwise a new user suddenly gets overwhelmed.. I was really overwhelmed [18:39] thats my 2 bits.. I dont know its possible [18:39] nigel_nb_: one really big page for the wiki fg home? egad man, have ya seen the compendium of text that is the writing/style/wiki/documentation team collection. The page would break infinity :p [18:39] but right now, there are so many pages u want us to visit that [18:40] if there is no one on IRC to guide, we get lost [18:40] just coz ZachK_ and you were there on IRC.. I managed to find my way tht day [18:40] That's just the nature of wikis gotta have subdivided content and link. One reason books are good, only one way to read em, front to back. [18:41] even that would be great [18:41] what I mean is something that is logically connecting [18:41] some ebook? [18:41] for the entire FG? [18:42] lol [18:42] nigel_nb_: I think that'd be an impossible task. Theres too much content and it's always changing and evolving. [18:42] starcraftman: I just realized thta [18:42] starcraftman: we'd need another FG to maintain that :D [18:43] nigel_nb_: just have to go one page at a time and read carefully. I try to stay on the page long as I can and when needed link off. Always keep parent wiki page open to go back to. [18:43] starcraftman: thats what am doing now [18:43] but its easy for someone new to get lost [18:44] nigel_nb_: indeed, and that's what we here for. Don't forget about sandbox page, can always experiment. [18:44] thats what I'm thinkin about.. now about me exactly.. about someone who comes when no one IRC is there to help [18:44] * not about me exactly * correction [18:44] nigel_nb_: well, I make it pretty clear on new page where to see on IRC for questions. Most people hang out here, I can't handle all eventualities. [18:45] true starcraftman [18:45] probably we'll have to leave it that way to find people who can navigate through the jungle lol :D [18:47] nigel_nb_: hmmm, when ya put it that way, like an entry test just reading all the right documentation and making it to IRC. [18:47] starcraftman: yep [18:48] starcraftman: the right channel too [19:02] what does FG stands for? [19:03] Focus Group trijntje [19:03] oh dear.. [19:08] trijntje: nothing you need worry about, Doc Team isn't related. Ya know where main documentation pages are yes? [19:08] starcraftman, not really I'm afraid :P [19:09] trijntje: lmao, page ain't gonna eat ya :p [19:09] trijntje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam [22:36] adiroiban: I don't think translations have been imported for kubuntu-docs [22:36] yep [22:36] dpm-afk: ^ [22:36] I'm building them now [22:36] ah, cool [22:37] in debian/rules all rules for copying the translations were commented [22:37] I haven't looked at the packaging for kubuntu-docs for several releases, I doubt it is similar to ubuntu-docs [22:37] is not similar [22:37] :( [22:37] also Kubuntu help Center is using HTML files [22:37] not XML [22:38] but maybe for the next release we can make them look more similar [22:39] yes, khelpcenter doesn't read xml afaik [22:39] nope [22:39] it would be awesome for them to get a bit closer together, but I think that we will need the respective upstreams to work together a bit [22:39] this is the kubuntu-docs for jaunty http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/kubuntu-docs/filelist [22:40] I think the only major diference is that kubuntu-docs xml files are stored in docs/ folder [22:40] rather than the root folder [22:42] yes, I think that we transitioned into the root folder and kubuntu-docs didn't follow... [22:42] so maybe they will also move those files in the next release [22:43] they also have libs and scripts folders [22:43] it could do with a bit of work, definitely [22:43] and basicaly similar xsl files [22:44] I talked with jjesse and he was ok [23:08] mdke: still up and runnig ? :)