[00:02] lstarnes called the ops in #ubuntu (NAVWOLF) [00:03] Xtreme_Great called the ops in #ubuntu (NAVWOLF) [00:03] someone, #ubuntu? [00:04] !staff | (see above; NAVWOLF in #ubuntu) [00:04] (see above; NAVWOLF in #ubuntu): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [00:04] genii: May as well ban - staffers, pardon me :) [00:05] Ah, you did. [00:05] No choice [00:07] whois may provide information on which place the trolling was coming from. [00:16] thats a little heavy handed MenZa... [00:17] gord: If he's unwilling to talk now, I'd like to discuss it with him in here. [00:17] gord: ANYONE who changes their nicks to indicate away reasons are asked not to do so. [00:17] i agree, i just don't think its worth a ban [00:17] * genii +b's all the away-spammers! [00:17] nor do I, but the alternative would be to ignore it [00:17] so I've just forwarded him here so I can ask him again tomorrow. [00:18] the alternative is to ask him to come into here tomorrow, then if he's still not co-operating setup the ban forward [00:18] hmm [00:18] genii, what do you think? [00:18] (I'm not completely closed off to suggestions - thanks gord :)) [00:19] maybe I have a slightly short fuse right now because of the previous incidents in the channel, so any input is welcome :) [00:19] (if people think so, I'll take a break for a while) [00:21] (..anyone? :D) [00:22] MenZa: I'd usually warn about away msgs twice, then kick but not ban unless they came back in immedialtely after that and did another /away message, etc [00:23] (but that's just me) [00:24] It was mostly because he's currently away now and I don't see why he ought to be in the channel if he refuses to obey the guidelines set out. [00:25] If currently /away then how do you expect them to respond ? [00:25] When he re-joins he will :) [00:25] But I think I'll lift the ban for now and catch him tomorrow [00:26] Thanks for your comments. :) [00:26] * MenZa steps away from -ot for a bit. [00:26] * genii makes more coffee [00:27] it should be noted that i have no love for that guy and he's gonna end up getting himself banned one day if he carries on with his attitude... [00:28] oh I concur, but personal opinion is generally to be avoided when judging bans ;) [00:28] * MenZa goes back to Question Time [00:32] * genii works on the $50,000 pyramid question [00:36] the answer is raspberry jam [01:46] * genii ponders raspberry jam [03:42] Hi MakeUpYourMind, how can we help you today? [03:43] I was looking at commands and did / p i n g #ubuntu and it came up with the enormous list, then I was banned. Could anyone help me with this? [03:44] You did ping #ubuntu, yes. It's frowned upon to do anything like that to a channel [03:44] Because in this case, it pinged 1350 people and they all replied, which was your enormous list [03:45] ok. i was just trying to get the server's response time actually. [03:47] Flannel: are you there still? [03:48] MakeUpYourMind: I'm not sure how you can ask the server for a reply, but you can always ask ubottu for one. [03:49] how? [03:49] /msg ubottu ping [03:49] that'll start a query with ubottu, and the bot will reply, giving you a total turnaround time, etc. [03:49] ok, sure thing. [03:50] how do I get back into ubuntu? [03:50] MakeUpYourMind: I'm going to go ahead and unban you, if you're unsure about how something works, a good way to find out would be to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic [03:52] ok... [03:53] MakeUpYourMind, if you were wondering why it autobans, it's because it's a common troll technique for harassing a channel [03:55] how does that harass a channel. I thought the users dont even see pings done to themselves. [03:56] nope. [03:56] * Received a CTCP PING 1664779183 from MakeUpYourMind (to #ubuntu) [03:56] * FloodBot3 sets ban on *!*@c-71-235-36-236.hsd1.ct.comcast.net === MakeUpYourMind is now known as oed [03:57] anyway, Flannel's kindly unbanned you; and see the topic [03:57] can you please remove the ban so I can have my old nick back? [03:57] * FloodBot3 sets ban on *!*@c-71-235-36-236.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [03:57] you are unbanned, Flannel removes ban on *!*@c-71-235-36-236.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [03:58] Was he changing to oed to avoid a perceived ban on MakeUpYourMind? [03:59] Or did I misinterpret that statement [04:02] I think his intent was in that direction. [04:02] but it's not open and shut [04:12] In #ubuntu-server, twb said: !learn sag is https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/index.html [06:34] he doesnt have utf8 [09:03] Hi, can I get ubottu to join #pressflow? We're a Launchpad-based project, and the automatic bug linking would be helpful. [09:07] davidstrauss: usually these questions are asked in #ubuntu-irc. however, ubottu is really for ubuntu projects, and has a very heavy load already. If you have a server available, the source code of the bot is on LP and clones can be easily created. [09:07] !botclone | davidstrauss [09:07] davidstrauss: Ubottu uses supybot, which is available in the main !repositories, with additional plugins that are available at http://ubottu.com/clone.html [09:09] jussi01: You may want to update http://ubottu.com/, in that case. "This is the home of the Ubottu bot which you can find in various Ubuntu channels on the Freenode network. If you want him to join your channel ask in #ubuntu-ops" [09:09] jussi01: Thanks, though [09:10] davidstrauss: hrm, maybe we need to update it to your ubuntu channel [09:10] davidstrauss: thanks for the notification. [09:11] davidstrauss: anything else we can help you with at this time? [09:11] jussi01: Nope, thanks. I just like ubottu in #bzr and wanted something similar in #pressflow. I'll try to set up the bot on my own server, though. [09:12] davidstrauss: if you need a hand with setting up, just pop into #ubuntu-bots [09:12] thanks [09:12] I assume it's just Python. [09:12] jussi01: Does it work on Python 2.4 [09:12] davidstrauss: Im pretty sure it does [09:13] davidstrauss: but for further questions, please head on over to #ubuntu-bots (and see our topic here :) ) [09:25] !idle | davidstrauss [09:25] davidstrauss: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [09:32] jussi01: done [09:33] tsimpson: excellent. thanks [13:11] elky: you have a baccta fail - trolling windows [13:11] bacta [13:15] grrr so now alabd think i'm willing to give personal consultation in pm after i got tired of him on the channel [13:18] topyli: I've asked him numerous times to seek proper legal counsel if he's looking to publish a book with free content in it. [13:19] There's nothing wrong with *asking* but repeated questions get very very annoying. [13:19] i have done the same, many times [13:19] well i have also explained how the free licenses work, many times. getting through to him seems a bit difficult [13:22] yes. [13:23] and most of his queries seem to revolve around the question of re-licencing a work to allow him to re-publish it, lol [13:41] why is xtream_great teaching his bot in #ubuntu? [13:42] I didn't see him [13:42] lets look [13:42] his bot is marcus_mpd [13:43] Xtreme_Great: hey there [13:43] ikonia: Hi [13:43] thanks for joining [13:43] looking in #ubuntu it looks like your playing with/teaching a bot in #ubuntu, is this the case ? [13:43] ikonia: Actually, yep... Trying to... [13:43] ikonia: It's megahal. [13:43] Very intelligent... [13:44] :) [13:44] Xtreme_Great: are you aware of the policy of no unauthorized bots in #ubuntu ? [13:44] ikonia: Is that a problem? [13:44] Xtreme_Great: have you read our channel guidelines and policies? [13:44] ikonia: Sorry, didn't know that... I'll take him off the channel... [13:44] Xtreme_Great: that's great, thank you [13:45] Xtreme_Great: as nalioth pointed out it may be wise to have a quick look over the channels policy/guidelines [13:45] ikonia: Thanks for lettin' me know... :) [13:45] !guiddlines | Xtreme_Great [13:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about guiddlines [13:45] !guidelines | Xtreme_Great [13:45] Xtreme_Great: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [13:46] Xtreme_Great: have a glance over the guidlines when you get chance, thank you for joioning here and then removing the bot, I think we are all good now [13:46] ikonia: Could you please tell me of a channel where bots are allowed? I really need to train the it... [13:46] *bot [13:46] Xtreme_Great: you might read http://freenode.net to find an answer to that [13:47] Xtreme_Great: you could make your own channel to train it, or as nalioth points out freenode has some helpful links [13:47] ikonia: All right.. Thanks... :) [13:47] ikonia: Actually I do have one. But no one joins it... It's about a hacker magazine that is about to be published... [13:47] Xtreme_Great: just make sure you have permission from the ops of wherever you're runningit [13:47] freenode doesn't really like unauthorized bots [13:47] nalioth: okay... [13:48] thanks Xtreme_Great [13:48] ikonia: :) [14:11] Xtreme_Great: Can we help you with anything else? :) [14:11] Xtreme_Great: have you seen our channel /topic ? [14:12] MenZa: Oh no it's fine... :) [14:12] nalioth: Yeah, what about it? [14:13] Xtreme_Great: I think nalioth is referring to "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with." :) [14:13] MenZa: Oh... You mean this channel... :) [14:13] Okay... [14:26] bazhang: for the record, he spouted the same nonsense in #freenode [14:27] I'm lying [14:27] somewhere he did [14:27] wonder if that is Russian minus utf8 [14:27] lol [15:12] nalioth: fyi, that bot guy from above seems to have dropped his bot in #freenode. [15:12] ##linux as well as a few others [15:24] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (ae86-drifter did that yesterday too) [15:25] have him in PM [15:29] ae86-drifter, hi [15:29] hello bazhang [15:29] how are you? [15:30] ae86-drifter, that is second time in two days you recommended that command in #ubuntu ? [15:30] its a good command [15:31] that way they can start fresh install [15:31] i thought its good for him [15:31] actually its not. and some unsuspecting newer users might run it. [15:31] * MenZa chucks a rock at ae86-drifter's car, just so he can spend lots of moneys getting a new one. [15:32] ae86-drifter, have you read the code of conduct and irc guidelines links I PM'ed you? [15:32] * genii helps MenZa [15:32] * Tm_T throws genii at ae86-drifter [15:33] :p [15:33] yeah i read it [15:33] ae86-drifter: It doesn't sound like you've read it. [15:33] i have now [15:33] ae86-drifter, that was rather quick [15:33] * MenZa is unconvinced. [15:33] you pmed it to me 10 mins ago [15:33] describing that as a 'good command' tells me you have not [15:33] its olny a page long [15:34] let me rephrase then [15:34] in light of your having read said documents, you still think that its a 'good command'? [15:35] only for the appropriate occasion [15:35] ok [15:36] ae86-drifter, was there anything else you wished to discuss here today? [15:36] hang on [15:36] sudo rm -rf / is never appropriate [15:36] of course its not. [15:37] why not? [15:37] so there is nothing else to discuss wrt removing his ban [15:37] am i allowed to go back in #ubuntu [15:37] ae86-drifter: it does nothing useful but remove all your precious files. [15:37] ae86-drifter: which is never useful. [15:37] ae86-drifter: 1.) it won't actually delete the core system thanks to coreutils protection 2.) there is no need to do sudo rm -rf / to re-install a system, that is what the installer [15:37] ae86-drifter, no. [15:38] "installer is for" [15:38] what if it is from a livecd? [15:38] this is moot. [15:38] that's really not the point now, is it [15:39] you are very cavalier about all this. [15:39] would coreutils work if you run the command from a live cd? [15:39] ae86-drifter: try it for yourself. [15:39] how you go about trying to destroy someone's data does not make destroying someone's data OK [15:39] i dont think it would [15:39] ae86-drifter, your ban will not be removed [15:40] i was trying to help [15:40] im just learning [15:40] no, no you weren't. [15:40] that was the diametric opposite of help [15:40] someone told me it was good [15:40] so thats what i learn [15:41] ae86-drifter: unless you know exactly what you're doing, don't. [15:41] in this case, you're either trolling horribly, or you most certainly have no idea what you're doing. [15:41] and definitely don't recommend others do something you don't understand [15:41] I would guess the former [15:41] my vote is on option #1, but that's not the case here. [15:41] s/the case/relevant/ [15:42] i didnt know it wipes your drive [15:42] then how do you suddenly know now? [15:42] i thought it is like deleteing the temp files in windows xp [15:42] right. [15:43] so should resolve some issues [15:43] this is getting off the point [15:43] I don't really feel there's much point in discussing this. [15:43] I concur [15:43] You gave seriously bad advice (if you can even call it that), and my judgment tells me you were very much aware of that. [15:44] i will sneak back with a different IP if u ban me and a different name so pls dont bother banning me [15:44] i wont do it again [15:44] ae86-drifter, ban dodging is not a good plan [15:44] now i know what it means [15:45] i havent ban dodged [15:45] ae86-drifter: ban dodging will only get you into further problems. [15:45] you just suggested you would. [15:45] i meant i could, not i will [15:45] sorry [15:46] " i will sneak back with a different IP if u ban me and a different name so pls dont bother" [15:46] that's not a "I could" [15:46] iwont [15:46] that's a "I will" [15:46] i have provide this channel with good help cheif [15:47] honest [15:47] that is debatable, at best [15:48] ae86-drifter: I didn't see you providing much useful help in #ubuntu. [15:48] ae86-drifter: Not that it really matters - we don't use a karma system that'll allow you to do a number of good things, in return for being allowed to break the rules and act like, frankly, a total asshat (pardon my French). [15:48] i help 100's of ppl [15:48] No. [15:48] lol [15:49] if you are in a position to help 100's of people you would know what rm -rf did [15:49] I suggest ending this hear rather than drag it on [15:49] ikonia: +1 [15:49] yep [15:49] i help mostly with gui stuff [15:49] not terminals [15:49] its my thing [15:49] here even [15:49] ae86-drifter: According to my logs, you haven't. Like I said, the point is moot. Your ban will not be lifted. [15:50] If you insist on going higher, see the link from ubottu. [15:50] !appeals > ae86-drifter [15:50] ae86-drifter, please see my private message [15:50] Thank you for your time. [15:50] If that's all, please part the channel. [15:50] so will i come back in 30 days [15:50] No. Follow the link ubottu sent to you. [15:51] its kool i h@x0rez like 5 wireless networks here so see u soon in a different costume [15:51] try and catch me [15:51] We will. [15:51] heheh [15:51] not a good plan [15:51] ae86-drifter: Please part the channel. [15:51] guys - if he choses to ban evade - that's his decision and freenode can deal with it - lets leave that here [15:51] true [15:51] exactly. [15:52] haxorez? [15:52] "HACK" [15:52] For the record, I did speak to bazhang about me suddenly stepping in there, despite it being his ban. :) [15:52] meaning "crack" [15:52] to announce it here is strange to say the least [15:53] Or just plain stupid. [15:53] That's my vote. [15:53] I was being diplomatic :) [15:53] Almost too diplomatic, imo. [15:53] it's Amaranth's (ban forward) btw [15:53] He had his chance to speak his mind, uttered rubbish nonsense. Ideally he should have been given a link to !appeals and /removed. [15:54] Oh :p [15:54] But eh. [15:54] if there's no one here to /remove, that's difficult [15:54] *to do the /remove [15:55] thought you had access tsimpson [15:55] indeed, tsimpson [15:55] nope, just +ViA [15:55] tsimpson: I'm sure !staff would have been happy to help, though :p [15:55] :0 [15:55] Maybe elky's still around. [15:56] bit heavey to call staff [15:56] (personally I would like to see all ops have +o here) [15:56] just use the !ops call in here [15:56] I suppose. [15:56] but that's probably an issue for the next meeting [15:56] tsimpson: well, ideally we'd at least have access to *get* opped ;) [15:56] I suggest you add it to the agenda. [15:56] I meant the flag +o, so ChanServ can op us [15:57] yup [15:57] * tsimpson waits to get +o so he can take over the WORLD!!! [15:57] :p [15:57] hehe [15:57] Proper ban put in place instead of a forward [15:58] * MenZa rocks tsimpson's world! [15:58] thanks Amaranth [15:58] man, launchpad people are slow [15:58] * MenZa has had an open ticket for having his PPA removed for *ages* [15:58] can't you just delete the packages? [15:59] Amaranth: you can't remove a ppa yourself [15:59] you can empty it [15:59] but that won't let me change my name on launchpad [15:59] :( [15:59] ah [15:59] I'm ~menza now, wanting to change to ~lhavelund [15:59] hehe, I was thinking about doing that but I really don't want twatkins [15:59] lol [16:00] MenZa: bug them in #launchpad [16:00] I made sure my gnome account was travisw instead [16:00] Amaranth: I'm truely sorry [16:00] Pici: I did at one point :P [16:01] trying again. :p [16:02] when is the next meeting? [16:21] 5th-ish? [16:59] well, it's not on the fridge [17:10] In ubottu, LjL said: !karmic =~ s/BETA/not yet released/ [17:12] !karmic [17:12] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic is BETA and MAY break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [17:13] !karmic ~= s/BETA/still NOT stable/ [17:13] I'll remember that tsimpson [17:13] !karmic [17:13] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic is still NOT stable and MAY break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [19:40] pih [19:41] Interesting n= for them. === Gary is now known as evilGary [19:46] things people do for attention ^^^^ [19:50] there still seems to be no factoid (neither si nor sl) referring to #ubuntu-si (for slovenian language) [19:57] Perhaps no slovenians have volunteered to help with phrasing the factoid, assuming #ubuntu-si exists [19:58] genii: it exists, I submitted a (google translated) proposal some time ago (being austrian myself) [19:59] guntbert: Can you ping some people in -si to get a real one? [20:00] Flannel: good idea - I'll try that [20:01] bye for now [20:49] hello CrazyLemon [20:49] hi ikonia [20:49] how can we help today ? [20:50] ikonia well i came here to submit a factoid for international pointing channel (or something like that :D) [20:50] well, sounds interesting, please explain [20:50] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [20:52] ikonia well guntbert explained to me that ubuntu-si hasnt got international pointing channel set on ubottu [20:52] ahh yes [20:52] so..am i on the right channel or am i waaay out? :) [20:53] you're correct here [20:54] if you want to give us the info for your factoid [20:54] ok.. here it is [20:54] Kanal za podporo slovenskim uporabnikom Ubuntuja je #ubuntu-si. Če potrebujete pomoč v Slovenskem jeziku, prosimo da se nam pridružite in probali vam bomo pomagati. Slovenian language support channel is #ubuntu-si [20:54] i hope utf8 is supported otherwise you'll see a lot of messy letters :D [20:55] reads fine to me [20:55] although I don't understand it [20:55] well..thats the point isnt it :)) [20:55] could you translate that to english please ? [20:55] of course [20:56] thankws [20:56] thanks [20:56] Channel for support to slovenian ubuntu users is #ubuntu-si. If you need help in slovenian language please join us and we'll try to help. [20:56] "Many years ago Serbian and Czech had a crazy drunken night of love. Slovenian is the result." [20:56] the last sentence is in english :) [20:56] * mneptok runs [20:56] lol [20:57] CrazyLemon: sounds good, [20:57] !si [20:57] Sorry, I don't know anything about si [20:58] mneptok you are probably Serbian arent you ;) [20:58] US, actually [20:58] but one of those Americans that can find Ljublana on a map :) [20:59] mneptok: We have maps in America? [20:59] * CrazyLemon is very surprised [20:59] Flannel: yes. but they are somewhat crazy. [20:59] you probably fell in love with a slovenian girl didnt you :D [21:00] ikonia so ..are we good now? :) [21:00] Flannel: http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/800px-reagan-digitised-poster.JPG [21:00] !si [21:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about si [21:00] @login [21:00] The operation succeeded. [21:00] si is Kanal za podporo slovenskim uporabnikom Ubuntuja je #ubuntu-si. Če potrebujete pomoč v Slovenskem jeziku, prosimo da se nam pridružite in probali vam bomo pomagati. Slovenian language support channel is #ubuntu-si [21:00] you are now [21:00] ubottu, wake up [21:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up [21:00] !si [21:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about si [21:01] mneptok: I've got a Reagan for Governor bumper sticker in my garage [21:01] ubottu: si is Kanal za podporo slovenskim uporabnikom Ubuntuja je #ubuntu-si. Če potrebujete pomoč v Slovenskem jeziku, prosimo da se nam pridružite in probali vam bomo pomagati. Slovenian language support channel is #ubuntu-si [21:01] I'll remember that, mneptok [21:01] lol..guess ubottu doesnt like "si" that much ;) [21:01] he thinks you're saying "yes" in Spanish, and is out getting his legs waxed before your big night together [21:02] !si [21:02] Kanal za podporo slovenskim uporabnikom Ubuntuja je #ubuntu-si. Če potrebujete pomoč v Slovenskem jeziku, prosimo da se nam pridružite in probali vam bomo pomagati. Slovenian language support channel is #ubuntu-si [21:02] hehe...anyways ..thanks for help guys ..my work here is done [21:03] CrazyLemon: thank you [21:03] my pleasure.. have a nice night