| jammcq | LaserJock: so.... not coming? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| jammcq | sbalneav: ping | 00:15 |
| LaserJock | jammcq: I don't think so, no :( | 00:16 |
| jammcq | bummer | 00:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah, totally | 00:17 |
| jammcq | I understand, things come up. but... we'll be back here next year | 00:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, hopefully things will be much more figured out then :-) | 00:17 |
| sbalneav | jammcq: pong | 00:25 |
| sbalneav | jammcq: Welcome back to #edubuntu :) | 00:25 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: OK, if you're not making it here, would you be willing to spend, say, 2 hours on the phone some evening in the next couple of weeks to give me some private tutoring lessons on packaging? | 00:27 |
| sbalneav | My dime on the phone call. | 00:27 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: yes yes, of course | 01:08 |
| * sbalneav hugs LaserJock | 01:09 | |
| * LaserJock wishes he was in Maine | 01:09 | |
| * sbalneav slides LaserJock an iBeer | 01:09 | |
| OsKa | i'd like to try ubuntu ltsp, without the DVD download | 01:17 |
| OsKa | somebody point me in the general direction? | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | OsKa: you the Ubuntu Alternate CD | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | *use | 01:18 |
| OsKa | k, thx | 01:18 |
| OsKa | is rc out? | 01:18 |
| OsKa | do i wait till the general release? | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | or if you don't want to do that I think you can install ltsp-server-standalone | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | RC is out | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | it should be pretty much the same as the final release | 01:19 |
| OsKa | iirc, i did ltsp-server-standalone on the last install | 01:19 |
| OsKa | i've always found beta stable, and everything else a mess :( | 01:19 |
| OsKa | server install ? | 01:21 |
| OsKa | er, nm | 01:21 |
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| alkisg | I've switched my clients to using NFS homes, and now they're experiencing "grayed windows" every few minutes; like if the active window hangs for a few secs. Has anyone else experienced this with NFS? | 06:33 |
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| DamegedSpy | Hi? | 17:46 |
| DamegedSpy | Someone there? | 17:46 |
| alkisg | !ask | 17:47 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 17:47 |
| DamegedSpy | Can you please share tips in convicing a school to run linux? | 17:47 |
| DamegedSpy | I am doing a Pro cons comparation with Windows XP SP1 | 17:48 |
| DamegedSpy | Can someone redirect me to an irc related to linux in schools? | 17:49 |
| alkisg | #edubuntu *is* related to linux in schools, but in weekends not many people hang around here | 17:50 |
| DamegedSpy | Yeah, I know. I mean for making a school change from Windows to Linux(Edubuntu) | 17:51 |
| alkisg | Well, it's a big subject... there are lots of stories for succesful migration of schools to linux in the internet, I'm sure you can find pros/cons there, | 17:52 |
| alkisg | a few are: easier administration, no malware, cheaper, reuse old hardware, | 17:52 |
| DamegedSpy | Ok, I mean for talking it with teachers or staff of my school. | 17:53 |
| alkisg | (xp sp1? that's unsupported) | 17:53 |
| DamegedSpy | I know a LUG near me. | 17:53 |
| DamegedSpy | No sorry type wrong SP3 | 17:53 |
| DamegedSpy | The LUG meats in another 2 months | 17:53 |
| DamegedSpy | meets* | 17:53 |
| alkisg | Well you can talk about the above pros with the teachers, I'm sure they'll be able to understand "cheaper" ;) | 17:54 |
| DamegedSpy | :P Well, the problem is that they need some software you know, the dumb excuse of always. | 17:55 |
| alkisg | ...but I don't think you'll be able to find a full list of them in an irc channel... | 17:55 |
| alkisg | Most edu* software here in greece runs fine under wine, | 17:55 |
| DamegedSpy | Game maker | 17:55 |
| alkisg | and there are some educational apps in edubuntu, kde_edu etc | 17:55 |
| DamegedSpy | Flash(The editor) | 17:55 |
| alkisg | You can search for them in the wine app compatibility list | 17:56 |
| alkisg | E.g. for game maker: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2965 | 17:56 |
| DamegedSpy | I have already done that, and I am about to test them myself. | 17:56 |
| DamegedSpy | I am migrating this new old computer to Kubuntu :D | 17:57 |
| alkisg | But it'd probably be a lie to tell them that they could switch to linux and keep using all their old software | 17:57 |
| alkisg | E.g. I had people here asking for office on linux... well, if they aren't ready to switch to openoffice, don't bother telling them about linux | 17:57 |
| alkisg | *microsoft office | 17:58 |
| DamegedSpy | Well, here they will change from M$ Office 2000. | 17:58 |
| DamegedSpy | The IT department recieve hardly 2K CAD a year. | 17:59 |
| DamegedSpy | So they have no expectations of going Vista or 7 | 17:59 |
| DamegedSpy | If I archive to convince an IT Teacher for testing in one unused old computer the rest should be easier. | 18:00 |
| alkisg | Also, you could run windows in vbox for certain apps | 18:00 |
| DamegedSpy | I want to avoid emulators. I was thinking more a double boot. | 18:01 |
| DamegedSpy | Anyways, I need help with the following: | 18:02 |
| DamegedSpy | 1)Network Users and avoid modifications or cracks to the OS. | 18:02 |
| DamegedSpy | 2)For some reson they want no single application to be downloaded install(Maybe becouse of virus) | 18:03 |
| DamegedSpy | So if someone can help me in any of those I will thank you a lot. | 18:03 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to connect from the office to the computer lab (printign) and print on the computer labs printers | 18:12 |
| Ahmuck | i know the ip address, is there a way to turn on ipp printing? | 18:12 |
| DamegedSpy | HAve you tried typing it to a web browser(Sometimes they show a configuration page) | 18:13 |
| fasthans | hi everyone | 18:14 |
| Ahmuck | hi fasthans | 18:14 |
| fasthans | Friday I asked my 15 students to start gimp and it started rela slow. does anyone have experience of running gimp in the chroot environment? | 18:15 |
| Ahmuck | using ltsp server? | 18:16 |
| fasthans | yes. ltsp. | 18:16 |
| Ahmuck | alkisg: is ur man. what type of network do you have? | 18:16 |
| fasthans | gb switch and 100mb clients | 18:16 |
| fasthans | hi alkisg | 18:17 |
| alkisg | Hi fasthans | 18:17 |
| fasthans | should I rather ask this in #ltsp? | 18:17 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: could you tell him the benchmarking method I told you the other day? | 18:17 |
| alkisg | (I'm in the middle of something...) | 18:17 |
| alkisg | ...and the flow control link? | 18:18 |
| Ahmuck | um, if i remember it | 18:23 |
| Ahmuck | fasthans, essentially you need to check your switch, make sure flow control is off | 18:23 |
| fasthans | how do I do that? | 18:24 |
| Ahmuck | then you set each client into test mode with some command, server/client and it'll tell you the throughput | 18:24 |
| fasthans | its attached to the wall and makes a lot of noise. I think it's a D-Link switch | 18:24 |
| Ahmuck | do you have a way to access your switch via a web interface? | 18:24 |
| fasthans | I have no idea. | 18:25 |
| Ahmuck | r u the admin? | 18:26 |
| Ahmuck | whats the ip address of the switch? | 18:26 |
| fasthans | no. and the teacher who does has no clue. | 18:26 |
| fasthans | I am simply hooking up to the existing windows network of the school. and using the computers as clients. | 18:27 |
| Ahmuck | heh, u might be out of luck | 18:27 |
| Ahmuck | search google for angryip | 18:27 |
| fasthans | maybe I bring my own switch and see it the switch is a problem. | 18:27 |
| Ahmuck | it's a good fast program that may help you find the ip address | 18:27 |
| Ahmuck | do you have the server in your room? | 18:28 |
| fasthans | I cheked memory and cpu usage and it looks ok | 18:28 |
| Ahmuck | that is one option, sever the server from the rest of the network, and then use a switch with flow control turned off | 18:28 |
| fasthans | yes the server is in the classroom. so is the switch (mounted at the wall below a table. | 18:28 |
| * Ahmuck was going to write in the wiki how to test | 18:28 | |
| fasthans | there is not too much I can do, because I can not touch the existing windows setup... | 18:29 |
| fasthans | :'( | 18:29 |
| fasthans | especially multimedia makes trouble - its simply too slow e.g. when the kids play games over the web. | 18:30 |
| Ahmuck | how does the exisiting windows setup factor in? | 18:31 |
| Ahmuck | sounds like you have the same problem i do | 18:32 |
| fasthans | ok. the school only had windows when I started. | 18:32 |
| fasthans | I show the head of school edubuntu using a laptop as the server and two of the clients of the classroom. | 18:33 |
| fasthans | he allowed me to use the computer room but with the prerequisite not to change anything. | 18:33 |
| fasthans | so the only thing I changed was the boot sequence to have the computers boot via the network first. | 18:34 |
| Ahmuck | ok, but you can still search for the ip address | 18:34 |
| fasthans | what I do before the lesson is to crawl under the table (don't lough please) and take out one kabel from the switch | 18:34 |
| Ahmuck | if the switch will respond to a ping, which it should, you should be able to locate it | 18:34 |
| Ahmuck | once located connect to the web interface | 18:35 |
| Ahmuck | and look, dont' change | 18:35 |
| fasthans | then I connect the edubuntu/ltsp server and boot the clients | 18:35 |
| fasthans | excuse me but the switch has its own ip? | 18:35 |
| fasthans | how do I get it? | 18:35 |
| Ahmuck | your going to need to locate the ip using an ip scanner | 18:36 |
| alkisg | fasthans: do you have LDM_DIRECTX=true? | 18:36 |
| fasthans | ok. I can do that | 18:36 |
| DamegedSpy | Angry-IP <--- | 18:36 |
| alkisg | fasthans: also, check the CPU on the clients | 18:36 |
| fasthans | what should I CHECK | 18:36 |
| alkisg | fasthans: and, try to disable flow control on the server: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl | 18:36 |
| fasthans | yes I have LDX_DIRECTX=true | 18:37 |
| fasthans | the clients boot quite fast and work well, by the way | 18:38 |
| alkisg | What are the clients specs? CPU/RAM? | 18:38 |
| fasthans | they are 512 pentium 4 clients I think (haven't looked for a long time) | 18:39 |
| fasthans | 512mb | 18:39 |
| alkisg | Yeah, do put localapps on them | 18:39 |
| alkisg | firefox + flash at least | 18:39 |
| fasthans | I had problems with firefox. it would not connect to the internet, so I removed it. | 18:40 |
| fasthans | using epiphany | 18:40 |
| alkisg | OK, but you could also fix firefox, if you wanted... | 18:41 |
| fasthans | I also have the schools windows proxy in front of me which makes life more difficult. | 18:41 |
| fasthans | I tried fixing firefox and it would not work. and I have limited time I can be in school. | 18:41 |
| fasthans | tks for the flow control link. I will try it | 18:42 |
| alkisg | fasthans: you can set the proxy for all users with gconf mandatory settings | 18:42 |
| alkisg | (and for all browsers that respect the gnome settings) | 18:43 |
| fasthans | I went another way. tks. | 18:43 |
| fasthans | I am using squid as transparent proxy and dansguardian | 18:43 |
| alkisg | How did you force squid to be a transparent proxy? | 18:44 |
| alkisg | Did you set it as the gateway for the clients? | 18:44 |
| fasthans | no by using iptables | 18:44 |
| alkisg | ok | 18:44 |
| fasthans | I found a very good article. | 18:44 |
| alkisg | fasthans: it'd be nice if you wrote a wiki page for that | 18:45 |
| fasthans | that article made everything clear to me. you want the link? | 18:45 |
| alkisg | Sure | 18:45 |
| fasthans | hang on... have to dig... | 18:45 |
| fasthans | her it is: http://www.zephyrsoft.net/filter and the download the pdf on that page | 18:48 |
| alkisg | Thanks! | 18:49 |
| fasthans | I have another question though - to localapps | 18:50 |
| fasthans | I have my clients running a localapp. say GIMP or TuxPaint. how do I setup access to the users home folder and printing. these two would be the most important ones for me | 18:51 |
| alkisg | The user home folder is automatically mounted with sshfs | 18:52 |
| alkisg | For printing, I've heard of easy solutions, but I don't remember them because I don't need them. Maybe you should ask this one in #ltsp | 18:52 |
| fasthans | ok tks. | 18:52 |
| fasthans | so in general the home folder is also available to any localapp I install? | 18:53 |
| alkisg | Not the whole /home, but $HOME, yes | 18:53 |
| alkisg | (i.e. only the user folder) | 18:53 |
| fasthans | aha. meaning your own home, right? what if I want to add another folder - lets say one to share between multiple users. | 18:54 |
| fasthans | do I manually have to mount them from the chroot env? | 18:54 |
| alkisg | Then you need karmic, they supported that in the latest ltsp :) | 18:54 |
| alkisg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/375284 | 18:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 375284 in ltsp "Add "-o follow_symlinks" to localapps sshfs?" [Low,Fix committed] | 18:55 |
| fasthans | I will try to test that if I find the time. | 18:56 |
| alkisg | No, you don't need to manually do any mounting... | 18:57 |
| alkisg | brb | 18:57 |
| fasthans | icecream said my daughter.... I can no resist.... | 18:57 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to connect to a printer on the ltsp server via ipp | 19:00 |
| Ahmuck | however i don't know a thing about ipp in linux | 19:00 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: A printer on a thin client? | 19:07 |
| Ahmuck | nope, on server | 19:09 |
| Ahmuck | i know the server's ip address | 19:10 |
| Ahmuck | the printer is shared | 19:10 |
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