[00:15] <jammcq> LaserJock: so.... not coming?
[00:15] <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
[00:16] <LaserJock> jammcq: I don't think so, no :(
[00:16] <jammcq> bummer
[00:17] <LaserJock> yeah, totally
[00:17] <jammcq> I understand, things come up.  but... we'll be back here next year
[00:17] <LaserJock> yeah, hopefully things will be much more figured out then :-)
[00:25] <sbalneav> jammcq: pong
[00:25] <sbalneav> jammcq: Welcome back to #edubuntu :)
[00:27] <sbalneav> LaserJock: OK, if you're not making it here, would you be willing to spend, say, 2 hours on the phone some evening in the next couple of weeks to give me some private tutoring lessons on packaging?
[00:27] <sbalneav> My dime on the phone call.
[01:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes yes, of course
[01:09]  * sbalneav hugs LaserJock 
[01:09]  * LaserJock wishes he was in Maine
[01:09]  * sbalneav slides LaserJock an iBeer
[01:17] <OsKa> i'd like to try ubuntu ltsp, without the DVD download
[01:17] <OsKa> somebody point me in the general direction?
[01:18] <LaserJock> OsKa: you the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[01:18] <LaserJock> *use
[01:18] <OsKa> k, thx
[01:18] <OsKa> is rc out?
[01:18] <OsKa> do i wait till the general release?
[01:18] <LaserJock> or if you don't want to do that I think you can install ltsp-server-standalone
[01:18] <LaserJock> RC is out
[01:19] <LaserJock> it should be pretty much the same as the final release
[01:19] <OsKa> iirc, i did ltsp-server-standalone on the last install
[01:19] <OsKa> i've always found beta stable, and everything else a mess :(
[01:21] <OsKa> server install ?
[01:21] <OsKa> er, nm
[06:33] <alkisg> I've switched my clients to using NFS homes, and now they're experiencing "grayed windows" every few minutes; like if the active window hangs for a few secs. Has anyone else experienced this with NFS?
[17:46] <DamegedSpy> Hi?
[17:46] <DamegedSpy> Someone there?
[17:47] <alkisg> !ask
[17:47] <DamegedSpy> Can you please share tips in convicing a school to run linux?
[17:48] <DamegedSpy> I am doing a Pro cons comparation with Windows XP SP1
[17:49] <DamegedSpy> Can someone redirect me to an irc related to linux in schools?
[17:50] <alkisg> #edubuntu *is* related to linux in schools, but in weekends not many people hang around here
[17:51] <DamegedSpy> Yeah, I know. I mean for making a school change from Windows to Linux(Edubuntu)
[17:52] <alkisg> Well, it's a big subject... there are lots of stories for succesful migration of schools to linux in the internet, I'm sure you can find pros/cons there,
[17:52] <alkisg> a few are: easier administration, no malware, cheaper, reuse old hardware,
[17:53] <DamegedSpy> Ok, I mean for talking it with teachers or staff of my school.
[17:53] <alkisg> (xp sp1? that's unsupported)
[17:53] <DamegedSpy> I know a LUG near me.
[17:53] <DamegedSpy> No sorry type wrong SP3
[17:53] <DamegedSpy> The LUG meats in another 2 months
[17:53] <DamegedSpy> meets*
[17:54] <alkisg> Well you can talk about the above pros with the teachers, I'm sure they'll be able to understand "cheaper" ;)
[17:55] <DamegedSpy> :P Well, the problem is that they need some software you know, the dumb excuse of always.
[17:55] <alkisg> ...but I don't think you'll be able to find a full list of them in an irc channel...
[17:55] <alkisg> Most edu* software here in greece runs fine under wine,
[17:55] <DamegedSpy> Game maker
[17:55] <alkisg> and there are some educational apps in edubuntu, kde_edu etc
[17:55] <DamegedSpy> Flash(The editor)
[17:56] <alkisg> You can search for them in the wine app compatibility list
[17:56] <alkisg> E.g. for game maker: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2965
[17:56] <DamegedSpy> I have already done that, and I am about to test them myself.
[17:57] <DamegedSpy> I am migrating this new old computer to Kubuntu :D
[17:57] <alkisg> But it'd probably be a lie to tell them that they could switch to linux and keep using all their old software
[17:57] <alkisg> E.g. I had people here asking for office on linux... well, if they aren't ready to switch to openoffice, don't bother telling them about linux
[17:58] <alkisg> *microsoft office
[17:58] <DamegedSpy> Well, here they will change from M$ Office 2000.
[17:59] <DamegedSpy> The IT department recieve hardly 2K CAD a year.
[17:59] <DamegedSpy> So they have no expectations of going Vista or 7
[18:00] <DamegedSpy> If I archive to convince an IT Teacher for testing in one unused old computer the rest should be easier.
[18:00] <alkisg> Also, you could run windows in vbox for certain apps
[18:01] <DamegedSpy> I want to avoid emulators. I was thinking more a double boot.
[18:02] <DamegedSpy> Anyways, I need help with the following:
[18:02] <DamegedSpy> 1)Network Users and avoid modifications or cracks to the OS.
[18:03] <DamegedSpy> 2)For some reson they want no single application to be downloaded install(Maybe becouse of virus)
[18:03] <DamegedSpy> So if someone can help me in any of those I will thank you a lot.
[18:12] <Ahmuck> i'd like to connect from the office to the computer lab (printign) and print on the computer labs printers
[18:12] <Ahmuck> i know the ip address, is there a way to turn on ipp printing?
[18:13] <DamegedSpy> HAve you tried typing it to a web browser(Sometimes they show a configuration page)
[18:14] <fasthans> hi everyone
[18:14] <Ahmuck> hi fasthans
[18:15] <fasthans> Friday I asked my 15 students to start gimp and it started rela slow. does anyone have experience of running gimp in the chroot environment?
[18:16] <Ahmuck> using ltsp server?
[18:16] <fasthans> yes. ltsp.
[18:16] <Ahmuck> alkisg: is ur man.  what type of network do you have?
[18:16] <fasthans> gb switch and 100mb clients
[18:17] <fasthans> hi alkisg
[18:17] <alkisg> Hi fasthans
[18:17] <fasthans> should I rather ask this in #ltsp?
[18:17] <alkisg> Ahmuck: could you tell him the benchmarking method I told you the other day?
[18:17] <alkisg> (I'm in the middle of something...)
[18:18] <alkisg> ...and the flow control link?
[18:23] <Ahmuck> um, if i remember it
[18:23] <Ahmuck> fasthans, essentially you need to check your switch, make sure flow control is off
[18:24] <fasthans> how do I do that?
[18:24] <Ahmuck> then you set each client into test mode with some command, server/client and it'll tell you the throughput
[18:24] <fasthans> its attached to the wall and makes a lot of noise. I think it's a D-Link switch
[18:24] <Ahmuck> do you have a way to access your switch via a web interface?
[18:25] <fasthans> I have no idea.
[18:26] <Ahmuck> r u the admin?
[18:26] <Ahmuck> whats the ip address of the switch?
[18:26] <fasthans> no. and the teacher who does has no clue.
[18:27] <fasthans> I am simply hooking up to the existing windows network of the school. and using the computers as clients.
[18:27] <Ahmuck> heh, u might be out of luck
[18:27] <Ahmuck> search google for angryip
[18:27] <fasthans> maybe I bring my own switch and see it the switch is a problem.
[18:27] <Ahmuck> it's a good fast program that may help you find the ip address
[18:28] <Ahmuck> do you have the server in your room?
[18:28] <fasthans> I cheked memory and cpu usage and it looks ok
[18:28] <Ahmuck> that is one option, sever the server from the rest of the network, and then use a switch with flow control turned off
[18:28] <fasthans> yes the server is in the classroom. so is the switch (mounted at the wall below a table.
[18:28]  * Ahmuck was going to write in the wiki how to test
[18:29] <fasthans> there is not too much I can do, because I can not touch the existing windows setup...
[18:29] <fasthans> :'(
[18:30] <fasthans> especially multimedia makes trouble - its simply too slow e.g. when the kids play games over the web.
[18:31] <Ahmuck> how does the exisiting windows setup factor in?
[18:32] <Ahmuck> sounds like you have the same problem i do
[18:32] <fasthans> ok. the school only had windows when I started.
[18:33] <fasthans> I show the head of school edubuntu using a laptop as the server and two of the clients of the classroom.
[18:33] <fasthans> he allowed me to use the computer room but with the prerequisite not to change anything.
[18:34] <fasthans> so the only thing I changed was the boot sequence to have the computers boot via the network first.
[18:34] <Ahmuck> ok, but you can still search for the ip address
[18:34] <fasthans> what I do before the lesson is to crawl under the table (don't lough please) and take out one kabel from the switch
[18:34] <Ahmuck> if the switch will respond to a ping, which it should, you should be able to locate it
[18:35] <Ahmuck> once located connect to the web interface
[18:35] <Ahmuck> and look, dont' change
[18:35] <fasthans> then I connect the edubuntu/ltsp server and boot the clients
[18:35] <fasthans> excuse me but the switch has its own ip?
[18:35] <fasthans> how do I get it?
[18:36] <Ahmuck> your going to need to locate the ip using an ip scanner
[18:36] <alkisg> fasthans: do you have LDM_DIRECTX=true?
[18:36] <fasthans> ok. I can do that
[18:36] <DamegedSpy> Angry-IP <---
[18:36] <alkisg> fasthans: also, check the CPU on the clients
[18:36] <fasthans> what should I CHECK
[18:36] <alkisg> fasthans: and, try to disable flow control on the server: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
[18:37] <fasthans> yes I have LDX_DIRECTX=true
[18:38] <fasthans> the clients boot quite fast and work well, by the way
[18:38] <alkisg> What are the clients specs? CPU/RAM?
[18:39] <fasthans> they are 512 pentium 4 clients I think (haven't looked for a long time)
[18:39] <fasthans> 512mb
[18:39] <alkisg> Yeah, do put localapps on them
[18:39] <alkisg> firefox + flash at least
[18:40] <fasthans> I had problems with firefox. it would not connect to the internet, so I removed it.
[18:40] <fasthans> using epiphany
[18:41] <alkisg> OK, but you could also fix firefox, if you wanted...
[18:41] <fasthans> I also have the schools windows proxy in front of me which makes life more difficult.
[18:41] <fasthans> I tried fixing firefox and it would not work. and I have limited time I can be in school.
[18:42] <fasthans> tks for the flow control link. I will try it
[18:42] <alkisg> fasthans: you can set the proxy for all users with gconf mandatory settings
[18:43] <alkisg> (and for all browsers that respect the gnome settings)
[18:43] <fasthans> I went another way. tks.
[18:43] <fasthans> I am using squid as transparent proxy and dansguardian
[18:44] <alkisg> How did you force squid to be a transparent proxy?
[18:44] <alkisg> Did you set it as the gateway for the clients?
[18:44] <fasthans> no by using iptables
[18:44] <alkisg> ok
[18:44] <fasthans> I found a very good article.
[18:45] <alkisg> fasthans: it'd be nice if you wrote a wiki page for that
[18:45] <fasthans> that article made everything clear to me. you want the link?
[18:45] <alkisg> Sure
[18:45] <fasthans> hang on... have to dig...
[18:48] <fasthans> her it is: http://www.zephyrsoft.net/filter and the download the pdf on that page
[18:49] <alkisg> Thanks!
[18:50] <fasthans> I have another question though - to localapps
[18:51] <fasthans> I have my clients running a localapp. say GIMP or TuxPaint. how do I setup access to the users home folder and printing. these two would be the most important ones for me
[18:52] <alkisg> The user home folder is automatically mounted with sshfs
[18:52] <alkisg> For printing, I've heard of easy solutions, but I don't remember them because I don't need them. Maybe you should ask this one in #ltsp
[18:52] <fasthans> ok tks.
[18:53] <fasthans> so in general the home folder is also available to any localapp I install?
[18:53] <alkisg> Not the whole /home, but $HOME, yes
[18:53] <alkisg> (i.e. only the user folder)
[18:54] <fasthans> aha. meaning your own home, right? what if I want to add another folder - lets say one to share between multiple users.
[18:54] <fasthans> do I manually have to mount them from the chroot env?
[18:54] <alkisg> Then you need karmic, they supported that in the latest ltsp :)
[18:55] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/375284
[18:56] <fasthans> I will try to test that if I find the time.
[18:57] <alkisg> No, you don't need to manually do any mounting...
[18:57] <alkisg> brb
[18:57] <fasthans> icecream said my daughter.... I can no resist....
[19:00] <Ahmuck> i'd like to connect to a printer on the ltsp server via ipp
[19:00] <Ahmuck> however i don't know a thing about ipp in linux
[19:07] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: A printer on a thin client?
[19:09] <Ahmuck> nope, on server
[19:10] <Ahmuck> i know the server's ip address
[19:10] <Ahmuck> the printer is shared