[00:00] <e3co> Twigathy:  thats what private msg's are for
[00:00] <Twigathy> hm?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> what?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> I stop beeing on that list IONs ago
[00:00] <e3co> high traffice
[00:00] <e3co> traffic
[00:00] <BUGabundo> I just read (very few of them actually) list-changes on upgrades
[00:01] <BUGabundo> and have all of the sent to my local inbox
[00:01] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, yeah i dunno i hadn't touched my box for awhile so i was just wondering
[00:01] <BUGabundo> some times I open Mutt
[00:01] <BUGabundo> and start reading
[00:01]  * BUGabundo checks
[00:01] <Twigathy> no, the point I was making was that #ubuntu moves too quickly to be useful any more. By the time a question is asked, it's scrolled off the screen in a second or two
[00:01] <BUGabundo> ---Mutt: ~/Maildir/ [Msgs:186 New:9 Old:164 3.8M]---(threads/date)-----------------------------------------------------------------(end)---
[00:01] <BUGabundo> ok that's scary
[00:01]  * Twigathy uses pine, gmail and (at work) Outlook
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: buy a bigger screen :)
[00:02] <Twigathy> *grin*
[00:02] <Twigathy> maybe if I turned one of my widescreens sideways... ;)
[00:02] <stpere> Twigathy: that's what we do at work
[00:02] <stpere> 2 widescreens in portrait mode
[00:02] <Twigathy> neat :)
[00:02] <Twigathy> At home I like them landscape - nicer for TV and films :)
[00:03] <stpere> yes
[00:03] <Twigathy> I can see how portrait could be useful for documents and scientific papers though
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: does any of the current drivers support 90º rotation?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> AFAIK my NVidia doenst :(
[00:04] <Twigathy> I've no idea, not tried
[00:05] <Twigathy> my screens can't do portrait mode really, they are very cheap and have a fixed stand
[00:05] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, are these the latest x64 drivers 185.18.36
[00:06] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: apparently you need some voodoo in your xorg.conf for rotation to work, specifically: "Option "RandRRotation" "True" "
[00:06] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: let me check
[00:06] <billybigrigger> thought you might have the newest in a ppa somewhere :P
[00:07] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 185.18.36-0ubuntu8
[00:07] <sburwood> I'm very impatient about the release of 9.10
[00:07] <billybigrigger> policy on what package?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> *** 185.18.36-0ubuntu8 0
[00:07] <BUGabundo>      185.18.36-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1 0
[00:07] <billybigrigger> nvidia-glx-180:
[00:07] <billybigrigger>   Installed: (none)
[00:07] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 180.44-0ubuntu1
[00:07] <sburwood> Why can't we be Oct 29th already?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-185
[00:07] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, you must have that in a ppa
[00:07] <billybigrigger> i just did a fresh install 2 weeks ago and it's not in main repos
[00:07] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 190.42-0ubuntu1~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa2
[00:08] <billybigrigger> vdpaupppa2?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: its archive AFAIT
[00:08] <billybigrigger> 180 comes with vdpau out of the box
[00:08] <sburwood> I do have one question.  The versions that come out in x.04 don't seem to work, while the x.10 versions work perfectly.  Is there a logical explanation to that??
[00:08] <BUGabundo> ~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-185 | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/300135/
[00:08] <billybigrigger> it's nice watching a 720p on 4% cpu in mplayer :P
[00:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: according to the missing Sarvant ,why GPU has a bug
[00:09] <sburwood> I've tried 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 and only the .10s worked
[00:09] <BUGabundo> and enabling VDPau crashs apps
[00:09] <Twigathy> billybigrigger: vdpau magic is win
[00:09] <wgrant> sburwood: "don't seem to work" is not a useful phrase.
[00:09] <Twigathy> I've watched some 1080 content - wonderful :)
[00:09] <billybigrigger> vdpau worked out of the box on this fresh install
[00:10] <Twigathy> I assume you have to specify the driver for mplayer to use...?
[00:10] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, and apt-cache doesn't find any -185 package
[00:10] <acuster> koala---the most painless install
[00:10] <fcuk112> anyone got x-fi working on karmic?
[00:10] <acuster> lovely, absolutely
[00:10] <billybigrigger> Twigathy, yeah just choose the vdpau output in smplayer, or gmplayer whatever you want
[00:10] <sburwood> wgrant, I know, but I can just never get the .04 versions to work at all.  I have problems with the X, or something with the boot sequence, for example.
[00:11] <Twigathy> ah, I use mplayer on the CLI ;)
[00:11] <billybigrigger> gmplayer doesn't work worth a hoot, so i'm using it on smplayer
[00:11] <BUGabundo> acuster: installed in 8 min :=)
[00:11] <sburwood> I always need to revert back to the .10 version
[00:11] <Twigathy> so it's some madness like -vo vdpau -vc ffmpegvdpau or something
[00:11] <wgrant> sburwood: I see. Anyway, you know you could install Karmic RC now, right?
[00:11] <billybigrigger> Twigathy, yeah edit your ~/.mplayer/gui.conf
[00:11] <Twigathy> then some other crazyness with -ao alsa:device=spdif >_<
[00:11] <Twigathy> hehe
[00:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no idea how! my archive just show it!
[00:11] <billybigrigger> Twigathy, you can add those flags in your gui.conf and not have to worry about it anymore :P
[00:12] <BUGabundo> !info nvidia-glx-185
[00:12] <Twigathy> well, most of the time I tend to use vlc and just live with the 50% CPU use ;)
[00:12] <billybigrigger> wtf
[00:12] <acuster> BUGabundo, yeah, but to remember all the packages we need thereafter ...
[00:12] <sburwood> yes, but I do have one or two concerns with RC.  During boot on the live CD, it sends error messages, starting with (I can only remember this one) Invalid PBLK length (5)
[00:12] <BUGabundo> acuster: I've got a list :)
[00:13] <wgrant> sburwood: File bugs!
[00:13] <wgrant> Preferably with photos or videos if you can't get a normal text dump.
[00:13] <acuster> BUGabundo, me too---i.e. we have identified a common use case; fresh install, gimme all the stuff I need
[00:13] <sburwood> Yes, and I have been unable to save letters without Open Office 3.1 crashing
[00:13] <wgrant> sburwood: Again, file bugs.
[00:14] <sburwood> yes, but I hope that the bugs will be fixed in the final release version on Oct 29th
[00:15] <BUGabundo> sburwood: I dougbt it
[00:15] <BUGabundo> we are on RC
[00:15] <BUGabundo> only MAJOR bugs get fixed now
[00:15] <BUGabundo> and prob with post install only
[00:15] <sburwood> I don't have a book nor do I have enough knowledge to mess around with the insides
[00:15] <acuster> because the upgrade, of course, is supposed to update all the packages
[00:15] <wgrant> Less critical bugs may be fixed in post-release updates.
[00:15] <BUGabundo> like the darn 3G modem lost support
[00:15] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Huh? What happened to 3G support?
[00:16] <acuster> if we are complaining about *modem* support, we have come a very, very long way
[00:16] <wgrant> I was able to use my phone as a 3G modem last week.
[00:17] <sburwood> I've an Pentium 4 at 2.4G with AGP - in other words, I don't have the money to replace or to have someone fix my computer
[00:17] <fcuk112> anyone got x-fi working on karmic?
[00:17] <BUGabundo> wgrant: many modems where lost due to kernel upstream bug
[00:17] <wgrant> sburwood: Why would you have to do that?
[00:17] <BUGabundo> wgrant: let me find the bug
[00:17] <sburwood> if I mess something up
[00:18] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Ah. Mine was a phone over BT, so I guess it wouldn't have been affected.
[00:18] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/446146
[00:18] <sourcemaker> I am trying to upgrade kubuntu via alternative install...
[00:18] <Ademan> my Update Manager says "91 selected. Download size: 89." in case anyone cares
[00:18] <BUGabundo> wgrant: for me (and many users) it's a critical bug
[00:18] <sburwood> I have a lot of data on sdb6, I think that I am scared of losing.
[00:18] <BUGabundo> having it as a *post* release update (aka SRU) is *not* an option
[00:19] <BUGabundo> but kernel devs don't agree :(
[00:19] <sburwood> I'm just going to install Karmic on my sdb2
[00:19] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Kernel uploads are dangerous.
[00:19] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Yes, it is a bad bug.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I have no idea how are we supposed to update without internet
[00:19] <sourcemaker> but the installer crashs via the error message: update-manager marked for delete but locked
[00:19] <sburwood> keep it simple.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I guess Canonical is planing to ship CDs with updates for every affected user :p
[00:19] <sburwood> what does anyone have to say for ext4?
[00:20] <wgrant> sburwood: ext4 is fine now.
[00:20] <sobersabre> very weird problem with disk on key.
[00:20] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Download new kernel on another machine. transfer using USB mass storage device.
[00:20] <wgrant> Done.
[00:20] <sburwood> stable and secure?  Better than ext3, etc?
[00:20] <wgrant> Not optimal, but it is easy enough and works.
[00:20] <sobersabre> it doesn't get mounted.
[00:20] <sobersabre> I mean automagically.
[00:20] <BUGabundo> wgrant: tell that to 1st time users
[00:21] <sburwood> oh, well, it is getting late in my neck of the woods, so I'll just say, bye
[00:21] <sburwood> bye
[00:21] <BUGabundo> I'm tethering via my android
[00:21] <sburwood> and thx
[00:21] <BUGabundo> or else I would have no internet for the past 3 weeks
[00:26] <fcuk112> humm i just restarted karmic and the top bars of my windows are gone.
[00:27] <mzz> either your wm or if your wm is compiz gtk-window-decorator crashed, ~/.xsession-errors may know why
[00:27] <td123> wow, the ubuntu servers are getting hammered (dl is slowww)
[00:28] <robotti^> .(
[00:28] <wgrant> td123: Yeah, it's pretty bad this time.
[00:28] <td123> and it's only a week before 9.10
[00:29] <td123> i'm getting about 7KiB/s max :/
[00:29] <wgrant> Tried other mirros?
[00:29] <wgrant> +r
[00:30] <td123> some, but they weren't much better
[00:30] <wgrant> I don't recall it being this bad a week before release before.
[00:31] <fcuk112> linuxtracker.org was pretty fast for me.
[00:32] <Dai> wgrant: with increased popularity comes increased bandwidth screwage.  9.10 is a fairly highly anticipated release
[00:33] <wgrant> Torrents are, fortunately, lightning fast.
[00:34] <td123> wgrant: oh, I'm talking about just the updates :P
[00:34] <td123> I would only use torrents to dl the cd
[00:34] <wgrant> Right.
[00:34] <mzz> bah, I keep getting my shells mixed up. I should dig up one of those bashrc hacks that change the prompt color based on a hash of the hostname
[00:34] <mzz> (or roll my own)
[00:35] <mzz> powering off the host instead of the guest yesterday was a bit stupid
[00:35] <philsf> ubuntu-netbook-remix got installed when I upgraded Jaunty to Karmic. Is this expected?
[00:35] <td123> wgrant: ubuntu should switch distribute updates with torrents
[00:36] <BUGabundo> td123: there was a spec for it
[00:36] <BUGabundo> but was droped due to tme
[00:36] <BUGabundo> *time
[00:36] <td123> BUGabundo: they need this in 10.04 :D
[00:36] <mzz> I'm not sure torrents for updates makes as much sense as it does for isos (but I think that was mentioned in the spec)
[00:37] <mzz> then again, the nl mirror is usually more than fast enough.
[00:37] <BUGabundo> mzz: that and diff deb
[00:37] <mzz> yeah, I think some smart-ish diff format makes more sense than switching to torrents
[00:37] <BUGabundo> yeah I'm connected to a 100mbit and another with 6gbit
[00:37] <BUGabundo> so I'm fine
[00:38] <mzz> I need to set up a local apt-cacher-ng though.
[00:38] <mzz> (or something else? suggestions anyone? :)
[00:39] <mzz> I have a handful of systems on my little lan that run ubuntu now. I think a full local mirror would be excessive, but something like apt-cacher-ng would make me abuse the actual mirror less)
[00:39] <wgrant> mzz: I've tried the rest. apt-cacher-ng is the only one I've found to work reliably.
[00:39] <philsf> I'm having trouble with a broken package that I can't upgrade, install or remove. http://paste.ubuntu.com/300152/ This is the adobe-flasplugin from partner repo (archive.canonical.com)
[00:39] <jimpop> philsf, that pkg has been removed from the repo
[00:39] <mzz> I really wanted to like apt-proxy because I generally like twisted but it tended to get stuck
[00:40] <philsf> jimpop, this shouldn't have any impact on my system, though
[00:40] <jimpop> not until the next flash vulnerability
[00:40] <mzz> I haven't seen "very bad inconsistent state" yet
[00:41] <philsf> I can't perform any task with apt-get, aptitude, or any GUI. I can only get dpkg to work
[00:41] <mzz> jimpop: any clue how it got into that state?
[00:41] <jimpop> mzz, nope.  it happened lastnight sometime
[00:42] <jimpop> i suspect that the pkg was pulled (i.e. removed)
[00:42] <mzz> jimpop: I'd be tempted to just dig into /var/lib/apt and remove the remaining traces of it by hand, but I don't know how to do that without possibly making matters worse
[00:42] <philsf> jimpop, I don't think so. see http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/
[00:42] <jimpop> try "sudo apt-get clean"
[00:42] <mzz> jimpop: alternative approach would be trying to get those scripts to run successfully by manually prodding update-alternatives
[00:42] <wgrant> Or just remove/comment the broken line in the prerm.
[00:43] <mzz> oh, that makes more sense
[00:43] <wgrant> Hackish, but effective and safe if you know what you're doing.
[00:43] <jimpop> philsf, interesting
[00:43] <philsf> wgrant, I don't, unfortunately, but I don't see any other option :)
[00:43] <mzz> and I meant /var/lib/dpkg, not /var/lib/apt
[00:43] <ubox> anyone figure out how to disable the desktop switch via mouse wheel?
[00:43] <jimpop> so it's in the repo, but not Releases
[00:43] <wgrant> philsf: /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm
[00:44] <mzz> philsf: if I read this correctly he got it into that "very bad inconsistent state" at the same time as the package was dropped coincidentally
[00:44] <philsf> jimpop, it also appears in apt-cache policy <pkg>
[00:44] <Jordan_U_> ubox: Should be disabled by default in karmic
[00:44] <philsf> jimpop, oh wait, not anymore
[00:44] <ubox> mine was enabled by default to and i can't figure out how to turn it off jordan_u
[00:45] <jbuncher> ubox, Install the compiz config settings, and uncheck "viewport switcher"
[00:45] <wgrant> Deleted in karmic-release 8 hours ago  (Reason: upgrade from jaunty causes update-alternatives breakage)
[00:45] <wgrant> Amusing.
[00:45] <wgrant> (that is why adobe-flashplugin was removed from karmic)
[00:45] <philsf> great
[00:46] <ubox> jbuncher: but isn't that for compiz?
[00:46] <philsf> I upgraded this afternoon at work. had I waited to get home...
[00:46] <jbuncher> ubox:  yeah, do you not have compiz enabled?
[00:46] <ubox> no i am using kde
[00:46] <jimpop> wgrant, interesting
[00:46] <philsf> wgrant, is there a bug report in this? maybe a workaround?
[00:46] <td123> ubox: you could be using compiz and kde
[00:46] <jimpop> wgrant, will it re-appear in Partner?
[00:47] <jbuncher> ubox :  oh, sorry.  No idea then.  I haven't poked around in kde too much.
[00:47] <wgrant> jimpop: I presume so.
[00:47] <wgrant> philsf: There are lots of bugs. I'm hunting for a workaround.
[00:47] <ubox> td123 i could, but i am just using the kde desktop effects as they are quite nice on their own
[00:47] <philsf> wgrant, thanks
[00:47] <jbuncher> ubox;  once I couldn't figure out how to get "shut down" or "restart" into the kicker/kickoff/whatever menu, I haven't used it much.
[00:47] <td123> ubox: ah, ok, just checking :P
[00:48] <ubox> :)
[00:48] <wgrant> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/459124/comments/2
[00:48] <jaime__> Hello, I'm using kubuntu 9.10 and while trying to modify the software sources with the Kpackagekit, my sources.list is all damaged. Could someone please give me alink or pastebin the original sources.list from kubuntu 9.10
[00:48] <wgrant> As I suspected.
[00:48] <ubox> jbuncher: i had that problem too and found out it was because i had started x from command line
[00:49] <ubox> also from rescue mode if that has an effect
[00:49] <td123> well, gl on the release! (I'm not an actual user :P)
[00:49] <jbuncher> ubox:  I'm just selecting KDE from gdm on boot.
[00:49] <darthanubis> jaime__, just get the source.list file from your install disk
[00:50] <ubox> jbuncher: hmm, that is strange
[00:50] <wgrant> philsf: See the comment I linked to above to get that package out of your system.
[00:50] <darthanubis> jaime__, and I would not use kpackageit, synaptic is the best imho
[00:50] <ubox> kpackagekit works great
[00:50] <darthanubis> apparently not
[00:50] <ubox> at least now it does, it didn't earlier in the month
[00:51] <jaime__> kpackagekit on 9.10 is definitly not stable yet
[00:51] <ubox> i dunno, seems stable to me
[00:51] <ubox> sorry, i'm multitasking, what is the problem being had?
[00:52] <jaime__> darthanubis: I just mounted the CD and I don't find the sources.list, can you tell me where it is?
[00:52] <philsf> wgrant, perfect, thanks!
[00:52] <philsf> seems an easy enough fix. it should be back in the repo in no time
[00:53] <wgrant> philsf: That is in no way a fix.
[00:53] <darthanubis> jaime__, no my friend, boot from it in rescue mode. Then chroot into the running system. Find the file in /etc/apt/ and email it to yourself or soemthing?
[00:53] <jaime__> mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:53] <philsf> is the 'set -e' necessary?
[00:53] <Jordan_U_> philsf: Yes
[00:53] <philsf> I thought it was used for debugging
[00:54] <wgrant> philsf: Yes, or commands in the script can fail silently.
[00:54] <ubox> jamie__ /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:54] <wgrant> set -x is debugging.
[00:54] <wgrant> set -e is not.
[00:54] <philsf> right
[00:54] <ubox> sorry, my scroll bar got stuck
[00:54] <webbb82> im trying to install prism  but everytime i try i get xulrunner-1.9.1-dom-inspector is required but cant be in stalled what the heck
[00:54] <jaime__> Is someone here using ubuntu 9.10, if yes, could you please pastebin it for me??
[00:54] <BUGabundo> hitting the pillow. gdnuit everyone
[00:54] <jaime__> I mean, the source.list
[00:54] <ubox> one second kamie__
[00:55] <ubox> sorry jamie__ :)
[00:55] <philsf> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[00:55] <webbb82> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:55] <webbb82>   prism: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1-dom-inspector but it is not installable
[00:55] <jimpop> wgrant, the jaunty prerm script has a bug
[00:55] <jimpop> set +x reveals:
[00:55] <jimpop> echo prerm called with unknown argument `'
[00:56] <jimpop> line 51:   echo "prerm called with unknown argument \`$1'" >&2
[00:56] <jimpop> what's that tick for?
[00:56] <ubox> jamie__ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300163/
[00:56] <webbb82> how do i fix broken packages
[00:56] <jaime__> ubox, that's very nice from you, I tried to find it in google for a long time, without success!! Thanks a lot!
[00:57] <wgrant> jimpop: Just to look nice.
[00:57] <wgrant> webbb82: What's broken?
[00:57] <darthanubis> webbb82, it will tell you what to do
[00:57] <ubox> jamie__ no problem :)
[00:57] <darthanubis> webbb82, synaptic has a "fix broken packages" button
[00:59] <wgrant> darthanubis: It depends how broken things are.
[00:59] <webbb82> synaptic isnt finding any
[00:59] <webbb82> but apt-get said so
[00:59] <wgrant> webbb82: Can you pastebin the whole error that apt-get gives you?
[01:00] <webbb82> wgrant: http://pastebin.com/m7e94e917
[01:00] <linuxguy2009> I installed 9.10 netbook edition and I dont see an option to change desktop mode from netbook to regular. Has that been done away with?
[01:02] <BlackFate> webbb82, try sudo apt-get install xulrunner-1.9.1-dom-inspector
[01:02] <BlackFate> and paste the errors
[01:03] <philsf> wgrant, the workaround does not work for me
[01:03] <wgrant> philsf: What does it do?
[01:03] <webbb82> http://pastebin.com/m2e722654
[01:03] <philsf> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[01:03] <philsf> wgrant, ^^
[01:04] <mzz> linuxguy2009: it's probably just not installed by default. Try apt-get install desktop-switcher, iirc
[01:04] <wgrant> philsf: Is that when apt-get removing it?
[01:04] <philsf> yes
[01:04] <webbb82> BlackFate: http://pastebin.com/m2e722654
[01:04] <philsf> I think I got a way to dpkg force my way out of this mess
[01:04] <wgrant> Bug #456650
[01:05] <BlackFate> webbb82, i guess you have to wait then
[01:05] <BlackFate> webbb82, or try another source
[01:05] <wgrant> webbb82: For now, uninstall prism to unbreak things.
[01:05] <philsf> yes, I used --force-all to install the karmic version, apply the workaround and then force-remove
[01:05] <wgrant> philsf: That's what I was going to suggest next.
[01:06] <philsf> so if the bug is in the jaunty version, I should be able to use the karmic one, right?
[01:07] <philsf> answer: nope
[01:09] <philsf> ubuntu-netbook-remix got installed when I upgraded Jaunty to Karmic. Is this expected?
[01:10] <mzz> philsf: afaict only if you had desktop-switcher installed
[01:10] <jaime__> Does anyone know how to make kde faster, I mean removing all the special effects. I already removed extra desktops, contents are not shown while moving or resizing windows. What else can I do?
[01:10] <philsf> mzz, ok
[01:10] <mzz> philsf: but I could easily be missing something upgrade-specific
[01:15] <jimpop> philsf, i had to vi the dpkg status file and manually remove adobe-flashplugin section
[01:16] <jimpop> then apt-get install libnspr4-dev, and then dpkg -i the karmic version
[01:16] <jimpop> that seems to work... for me ;-)
[01:16] <philsf> jimpop, I did the force install trick twice, to be sure
[01:16] <philsf> I mean, not to be sure, I actually needed it, but now I'm sure it also works :)
[01:16] <jimpop> force-all kept breaking for me
[01:17] <philsf> jimpop, the karmic package is also buggy
[01:17] <jimpop> :-)
[01:17] <jimpop> karmic itself is sorta buggy
[01:17] <jimpop> at least flash is working ;-)
[01:19] <philsf> oops, is this a versioning bug? the upgrade path for tzdata does not work
[01:19] <philsf> 2009o+repack-0ubuntu0.9.04 > 2009o-1
[01:27] <frandieguez> Hi to all! Recently the new language packs have been released with some bugs I have fixed on the translations... but the interface shows the previous translations. I reboot the computer and try a lot of things but doesn't work. Want can I do to refresh the translation cache it this exists??
[01:28] <frandieguez> I try creating a new user but doesn't work too
[01:28]  * mzz randomly comes across /var/log/gdm/xsplash.log and wonders if get_background_filename is off by one when comparing resolutions
[01:31] <Leif> So, can anyone tell me how to upgrade from the beta, to the RC?
[01:31] <fcuk112> anyone got x-fi working with karmic?
[01:31] <Leif> Whenever I try to hit the upgrade button, it yells at me saying it can't do a full upgrade, and offers to do a partial one
[01:33] <drs305> Leif - Just wait until the packages are resolved, or see which ones aren't going to be installed - and take your chances (not recommended but done at times).
[01:33] <gnuisancev4> anyone have any experiences with electricsheep screensaver and karmic?
[01:33] <mzz> hmm, it *was* off by one, but the unreleased version of the code always uses the same high-res image. Odd.
[01:35] <Leif> drs305: okay, although I have never been able to run the updater... is that a bad thing?
[01:36] <drs305> Leif: It's never done an update since you installed Beta?
[01:36] <Leif> Yup
[01:36] <Leif> never
[01:37] <drs305> Leif: You could look through the packages in Synaptic/Update manager and see which ones are unticked. Or run "sudo apt-get upgrade -s" to simulate the upgrade and again see which packages are beging kept back.
[01:37] <XVampireX> Hello?
[01:37] <jbuncher> Leif, there's a known bug where the updates won't run automatically from the beta, you have to run them manually.  As far as the "partial upgrade", its likely that iether there is a dependency that hasn't been uploaded yet, or that a conflicts was added and apt wants to remove a package.  I had that earlier today, with some konquerer plugin packages.
[01:37] <XVampireX> I need some help, I'm trying to install this: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[01:38] <XVampireX> But whenever I try to install the nvidia drivers there, it wants me to completely wipe off my karmic install
[01:38] <Leif> jbuncher: ya, I ran in manuelly, but is there anything I can do about it?
[01:39] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me around?
[01:39] <durt> XVampireX, without looking at the ppa, could you just use gdebi instead of adding the ppa to your sources?
[01:40] <XVampireX> gdebi how... you mean download the packages?
[01:40] <drs305> Leif:  Have you read the Partial Upgrade sticky:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286309
[01:40] <XVampireX> I don't even know how to get the debs from the ppa...
[01:41] <jbuncher> Leif, just click install, don't worry about the partial upgrade.  Once all of hte packages are installed, you can run synaptic to try and upgrade the remaining ones and see what it wants to do.
[01:41] <durt> XVampireX, again without looking at what is involved, ya basically, click on the little arrows to get to the .debs IIRC.
[01:41] <Leif> drs305: No, I haven't I will give it a look, thanks
[01:41] <Leif> jbuncher: Okay, will do, thanks
[01:42] <XVampireX> durt, what arrows?
[01:45] <Leif> lol, I apperently have 713 MB of updates...
[01:45] <Leif> I could just redownload the RC, lol
[01:45] <nemo> aaaah yes. it's that time of evening when vlc is going to stutter every few seconds until I restart pulseaudio again :(
[01:45] <nemo> karmic RC indeed
[01:45] <XVampireX> hmm, well I downloaded the packages, I'll try now, sec
[01:45] <jimpop> nemo, yep.
[01:45] <cxo> I did an upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 dev and now the spellcheck doesnt work in openoffice and in thunderbird?
[01:48] <durt> XVampireX, sorry, click 'view package details' then select which package you want.
[01:48] <stoosh> i made a upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 i386 on an old P4 Laptop with ati. I get a fully system freeze in the gnome desktop after about 2 min
[01:51] <aprilhare> hey
[01:51] <aprilhare> why is apport being disabled? karmic still has bugs i wanna report.
[01:51] <bazhang> !bugs
[01:51] <stoosh> without starting X, i there is no freeze. and when i choose a different deskktop at the boot screen (gnome save mode or KDE) there is no prob
[01:51] <jimpop> too many bugs are being reported
[01:51] <jimpop> :-)
[01:51] <aprilhare> lol
[01:51] <aprilhare> truer
[01:51] <aprilhare> firefox is a big bug imho
[01:52] <stoosh> somewhere here to help me?
[01:52] <aprilhare> i'm getting so much instablility its not funny. some of it is the flash plugin (amd64).
[01:52] <aprilhare> but the rest is all firefox
[01:52] <stoosh> what is stability?
[01:52] <jimpop> stoosh, you aren't really giving enough detail to know where the problem could be
[01:53] <jimpop> what happens before the freeze?
[01:53] <chu_> Just installed emacs23! Very snappy. Also found out how to Make with emacs. Awesome.
[01:53] <aprilhare> stoosh: a stable thing is something that stands up on its own. an unstable thing is something that doesn't.
[01:53] <aprilhare> and firefox is just falling down here
[01:53] <stoosh> still after the boot process
[01:54] <stoosh> it makes no matter if i do anything...
[01:54] <RedSky> I have a Dell Latitude D630 that has the Intel video chip set and during boot I get a motionless white Ubuntu logo before the animated bootsplash appears. Will this be expected in the final build? I've been testing this for 3 weeks and love it. Just curious about the splash.
[01:54] <jimpop> stoosh, have you check syslog, dmesg, Xorg.0.log, etc?
[01:55] <hsarci> is there a way to get firefox to have the same theme as the windows default theme? i dont mean the fonts i mean the theme
[01:55] <bazhang> hsarci, on karmic?
[01:55] <stoosh> not really... i have no idea what i should search...
[01:55] <RedSky> there used to be an IE theme as an add-on
[01:55] <hsarci> bazhang, yes
[01:56] <bazhang> hsarci, firefox is not standard in windows
[01:57] <hsarci> bazhang, i think you missunderstood my questoin
[01:57] <bazhang> indeed. please clarify
[01:57] <hsarci> bazhang, have you ever used firefox in windows?
[01:58] <hsarci> bazhang, firefox in windows looks differnt then in linux...and i dont mean the fonts i mean the theme....i want the windows firefox theme on my karmic firefox...
[01:59] <aprilhare> firefox gives me Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:59] <aprilhare> but how do i capture the seg fault and rport?
[01:59] <jimpop> hsarci, that's really an issue for #firefox, not karmic
[02:00] <hsarci> jimpop, i will check ther
[02:00] <bazhang> hsarci, check the mozilla addons. not really a karmic/windows issue
[02:02] <aprilhare> i tried using "firefox -safe-mode -g", browsing to the website that causes the segmentation fault, but no report.
[02:02] <aprilhare> help!
[02:02] <aprilhare> :)
[02:02] <jbuncher> aprilhare, what site causes the seg fault?
[02:02] <aprilhare> http://www.balloonboygame.com/
[02:03] <aprilhare> jbuncher: it has flash on it. i guess the flash clashes and causes seg fault
[02:03] <stoosh> the last entry in my syslog is from pulseaudio
[02:03] <XVampireX> Uhm
[02:03] <XVampireX> Something is wrong there >_<
[02:03] <bazhang> install flashblock. works fine here
[02:03] <histo> lmao at the ballonboygame
[02:03] <jbuncher> aprilhare, does it crash while playing or just when opening up the front page
[02:04] <XVampireX> Maybe someone could help me get vdpau working, at least?
[02:04] <aprilhare> jbuncher: a few moments after the flash game loads.
[02:04] <XVampireX> Right now I'm using 190.36 nvidia drivers (Official binary)
[02:04] <XVampireX> don't know how to enable vdpau on it
[02:04] <aprilhare> jbuncher: no human interaction required for crash, though.
[02:04] <raeldenk> hey there
[02:04] <stoosh> it says "most likely there is a bug in the alsa driver "snd_intel8x0"
[02:04] <stoosh> is this maybe my problem?
[02:04] <jbuncher> aprilhare, hmm, seems to be workign here
[02:05] <aprilhare> it should be noted i am using amd64 flash from adobe website
[02:05] <aprilhare> should I switch back to wrapper flash?
[02:05] <raeldenk> does karmic really boot in 10 second ?
[02:05] <jbuncher> aprilhare, ah, I'm on a 32-bit install, so that may be the difference.
[02:06] <aprilhare> jbuncher: then my crash may be a 64 bit thing
[02:06] <aprilhare> anyone else using 64 bit
[02:06] <RedSky> aprilhare, I have flash from the adobe website on my amd64
[02:06] <aprilhare> RedSky: good man. how did you go with that website i mentioned
[02:07] <stoosh> var/log/messages/ is my the pulseaudio also the last entry.
[02:07] <RedSky> aprilhare, one sec. I pulling up the link with the instructions I followed.
[02:08] <aprilhare> no worries
[02:08] <stoosh> there is another one: glxinfo: freeing invalid memtype
[02:08] <stoosh> what does this means?
[02:08] <raeldenk> does karmic really boot in 10 second ?
[02:08] <jimpop> ha!
[02:08] <aprilhare> raeldenk: try it for yourself.
[02:08] <jimpop> that's funny
[02:09] <jimpop> karmic has more startup apps ... no way it can start faster than intrepid
[02:09] <raeldenk> a have a slow connection and can't download 700 Mo to try if it boot in 10 sec
[02:10] <raeldenk> aprilhare,
[02:10] <aprilhare> raeldenk: usb stick version floating around?
[02:11] <stoosh> cant find something in the xorg.0.log
[02:12] <jimpop> stoosh, what about .xsession-errors
[02:12] <stoosh> where do i finde them?
[02:13] <jimpop> it's in your $HOME dir
[02:16] <stoosh> is this only from the last session?
[02:16] <stoosh> there is no time stamp...
[02:17] <jimpop> yes
[02:18] <stoosh> there are some critical entries:
[02:19] <stoosh> gnome-settings-deamon: Glib-CRITICAL ....
[02:19] <jimpop> those (unfortunately) are normal
[02:20] <stoosh> and a error from nautilus
[02:20] <jimpop> that too is pretty common
[02:21] <stoosh> mh, and where is my prob?
[02:21] <stoosh> is there something i could try?
[02:21] <jimpop> was this an upgraded system?
[02:22] <stoosh> yes
[02:22] <stoosh> from 9.04
[02:22] <jimpop> can you try creating a new user account and then reboot and login as that new user
[02:22] <stoosh> ok... thats an idea
[02:22] <jimpop> that might help to determine if it's a system issue or a setting issue
[02:22] <jimpop> er, user setting issue
[02:24] <stoosh> sorry... how is the command for creating a new user?
[02:24] <jimpop> console?
[02:24] <stoosh> the gui tool doesnt work
[02:24] <jimpop> adduser
[02:25] <jimpop> sudo adduser stoosh2
[02:25] <jimpop> or such
[02:25] <stoosh> ah thanx. i should now it
[02:27] <aprilhare> ok reinstalling flash with script suggested by redsky didn't work
[02:27] <localnnuser__> is any one familiar with remastersys? is it working on karmic?
[02:27] <stoosh> ok... i logged in as the new user... lets see...
[02:27] <RedSky>     File name: libflashplayer.so   Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32
[02:28] <aprilhare> still getting segmentation fault
[02:28] <aprilhare> its a real bug folks
[02:28] <stoosh> its so clean :(
[02:28] <localnnuser__> flash? ive just reinstalled all the os cause of flash
[02:28] <jimpop> stoosh, :-)
[02:29] <stoosh> thanx! it really works!
[02:29] <localnnuser__> come on, no one tried remastersys under karmic?
[02:29] <jimpop> stoosh, wait a bit longer to be sure
[02:29] <stoosh> oh no.. too early :(
[02:29] <jimpop> really?
[02:30] <stoosh> yup
[02:31] <stoosh> and now?
[02:32] <jimpop> 2 secs.. fire alarm going off here
[02:32] <stoosh> Uh
[02:32] <stoosh> thats hard
[02:32] <AsgardBeast> Anyone having audio problems?
[02:32] <stoosh> nope
[02:32] <fcuk112> i am getting no sound using my x-fi.
[02:32] <localnnuser__> AsgardBeast: i had, on my laptop because ubuntu turned off my audio card every 10 seconds
[02:33] <RedSky> nothing aside from a seriously loud shutdown beep that is intermittent.
[02:34] <AsgardBeast> I'm kinda baffled by this. The audio works for general system sounds and short audio files. But if I try and play a longer duration file it cuts off about 15 to 20 seconds into the file.
[02:35] <AsgardBeast> Everything worked fine in 9.04.
[02:35] <aprilhare> thats interesting. i actually switched back to the wrappered flash and its even more unstable with the balloon boy game. reinstall 64 bit flash and at least it loads
[02:35] <aprilhare> before crashing
[02:36] <cxo> I LOVE UBUNTU!!!
[02:36] <aprilhare> i love days spent in the sunshine. your point cxo? :)
[02:37] <cxo> Every new release of any other linux distro there is more crud, more unnecessary scripting and more buggy guis. With every new release of Ubuntu, its faster, more streamlined and cleaner than the last! Thats why I love Ubuntu
[02:37] <aprilhare> look. i want to report this firefox/flash bug. how do i go about it
[02:38] <aprilhare> ?
[02:38] <aprilhare> how do i access the core dump from the segmentation fault?
[02:38] <cxo> flash is a bit wonky for me too, but not too bad, mainly to do with mouse input though
[02:38] <aprilhare> i'll attach it to a bug report if someone will tell me
[02:39] <nick125> I hope Karmic doesn't ship with the broken Flash.
[02:39] <aprilhare> otherwise... it'll be a bug that'll exist forever
[02:39] <aprilhare> nick125: 5 days - it'll ship with it
[02:39] <nick125> aprilhare: That's what I'm afraid of.
[02:39] <cxo> coredump is usually in the working directory of the application
[02:40] <cxo> or you could just run the sucker in gdb, but running ff3 in gdb is ugly business
[02:40] <jimpop> stoosh, ok, so it still froze?
[02:41] <fcuk112> anyone using evolution synched with gmail?
[02:41]  * jimpop doesn't believe that cxo installed Karmic
[02:41] <cxo> i did a update-manager -d thing from 9.04
[02:42] <stoosh> yes it did
[02:42] <jimpop> and you feel that karmic is "lighter weight" than other distros?
[02:42] <aprilhare> cxo: i traid the latter, couldn't see where anything went anywhere. the former i looked in the current directory and found nothing
[02:42] <jimpop> stoosh, what kind of video card?
[02:42] <aprilhare> fcuk112: you mean with imap
[02:42] <aprilhare> imap good
[02:42] <stoosh> a old ati
[02:42] <cxo> its lighter than the previous release
[02:43] <jimpop> stoosh, on Jaunty were you using the proprietary drivers from ati.com ?
[02:43] <fcuk112> aprilhare: i guess, it added a [Google Mail] folder within the account which is empty.  what's it for?
[02:43] <cxo> aprilhare, i dont know man, check google or something, some programs cwd after executing
[02:43] <stoosh> think i don't
[02:44] <stoosh> used the normal jaunty driver
[02:44] <cxo> the ati driver that came with 9.10 just worked for me
[02:44] <cxo> bridgman says catalyst 9.10 is more up-to-date than that release though
[02:45] <aprilhare> fcuk112: sounds like you're not using imap right. that directory will synch to the directory structure of your gmail
[02:45] <aprilhare> bbl
[02:48] <fcuk112> which version of ALSA does karmic ship with?
[02:48] <jimpop> stoosh, run this cmd "find /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ -type f | grep ati" and for every file it finds run a "dpkg -S <file>' to validate that any xorg modules are the ones from karmic
[02:48] <jimpop> cxo: did you do an upgrade from Jaunty on the ati system?
[02:49] <cxo> yes boss, i had the catalyst.run install before
[02:50] <cxo> just worked, after the upgrade, havent touched it, was thinking of installing the latest catalyst, but there doesnt seem to be any changes that affect me, so just left it as it
[02:50] <cxo> is
[02:50] <jimpop> cxo gotcha
[02:50] <jimpop> thx
[02:51] <cxo> if it makes any difference, when i did the upgrade, i was using a non-ubuntu kernel, after the upgrade i switched to the newly installed one
[02:51] <jimpop> interesting
[02:51] <stoosh> found only the ati_drv.so
[02:51] <jimpop> stoosh, and that wasn't in any pkgs?
[02:52] <stoosh> dpkg says: xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:52] <jimpop> k
[02:52] <jimpop> stoosh,  it may just be that the newer driver doesn't work well with your older vidcard.
[02:53] <jimpop> debugging that is beyond my skill level ;-)
[02:53] <stoosh> that woudn't be nice
[02:54] <jimpop> stoosh, i agree
[02:54] <jimpop> stoosh, just out of curiosity have you tried the older radeon driver?
[02:55] <jimpop> i think that's what it's called
[02:55] <stoosh> so i should install an older driver?
[02:55] <cxo> but honestly if you have less than a HD4xxx use the open sauce driver, it has 3d and stuff
[02:55] <cxo> http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[02:56] <jimpop> stoosh, it might be in pkg xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[02:56] <jimpop> obviously remove the -ati pkg at the same time
[02:56] <stoosh> i found my model... its a ATI Mobility Radeon 7500
[02:56] <stoosh> with 32MB mem
[02:57] <cxo> thats likely not to be supported with the current slew of ati drivers
[02:58] <cxo> i think they just commented out the pci ids or something, but its not listed in the support list anymore
[02:58] <jimpop> stoosh, at least try the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver (but make sure to remove the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver)
[02:58] <stoosh> in which file?
[02:58] <cxo> no doesnt he need -ati? -radeon is for >HD4xxx cards right?
[02:58] <jimpop> cxo: think the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd would be better?
[02:59] <cxo> oh i see, radeon and radeonhd, in xgit, its ati and radeonhd
[02:59] <johntramp> hi.  just installed ubuntu 9.10rc and it tells me the initrd is too big when trying to boot from grub.
[02:59] <jimpop> yeah, they keep it confused ;-)
[02:59] <cxo> initrd can never be too big, its lying to you johntramp
[03:00] <cxo> just give it a good smack across the head
[03:00] <jimpop> stoosh, "sudo dpkg --purge  xserver-xorg-video-ati; sudo apt-get install  xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd"
[03:01] <johntramp> so how do i get past that cxo
[03:02] <stoosh> ok try it.. wait a moment...
[03:03] <jimpop> stoosh, sure
[03:03] <cxo> johntramp,  did you upgrade or fresh install?
[03:03] <jimpop> johntramp, how much mem does the box have?
[03:03] <johntramp> fresh install
[03:03] <johntramp> 1gb ram
[03:03] <jimpop> should be plenty
[03:04] <cxo> i think once extracted, initrd is like 30mb
[03:04] <cxo> you can just skip the initrd altogether, depending on how dependent your box is to non-built-in drivers
[03:05] <johntramp> how?
[03:05] <cxo> maybe do that, and then debug it from a console
[03:05] <cxo> go to grub and hit Esc when it starts counting down to stop the timer
[03:05] <cxo> then go over the one you want to boot, and hit 'e'
[03:05] <jimpop> johntramp, might want to first try "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[03:05] <johntramp> jimpop: cant boot into OS
[03:06] <jimpop> oh
[03:06] <cxo> then go over the line talking bout initrd and then hit 'e' again and use backspace and delete it
[03:06] <cxo> its just a temporary thing, once you reboot it will go back to its usual self
[03:06] <johntramp> just remove the whole initrd line
[03:06] <cxo> yes
[03:06] <johntramp> ok
[03:06] <johntramp> thx
[03:07] <cxo> then hit enter, and then 'b' to boot, should do i think
[03:07] <jimpop> 'b' doesn't work any longer... it's Ctrl-X
[03:08] <cxo> oh ok, i'm just going on memory here, i did my RHCE a decade ago :)
[03:09] <wgrant> This changed in Karmic, with the switch to GRUB2.
[03:09] <johntramp> cxo: that kernel panic'd
[03:10] <johntramp> unable to mount root
[03:10] <cxo> maybe it couldnt find the hard drive
[03:10] <cxo> then it means your sata drivers are coming out of the initrd
[03:11] <johntramp> ok
[03:11] <johntramp> what would cause this problem?
[03:11] <johntramp> its a fresh install from the 9.10rc
[03:11] <cxo> i think grub doesnt know how much memory your pc has,
[03:11] <johntramp> ok
[03:11] <cxo> you can explicitly tell it i think
[03:12] <jimpop> yep, add
[03:12] <jimpop> mem=768mb or such to the kernel cmd line
[03:12] <johntramp> ok
[03:13] <johntramp> does it have to be exact?
[03:13] <cxo> you could do mem=999999999M wouldnt make a difference
[03:14] <johntramp> ok
[03:14] <cxo> i dont think the kernel takes it too seriously
[03:15] <cxo> its more for grub
[03:16] <wgrant> What are you trying to do?
[03:16] <wgrant> I haven't read back all the way.
[03:16] <wgrant> But whatever you are trying to do, you're not doing it the right way.
[03:18] <jimpop> hehe
[03:18] <cxo> :) "the right way"
[03:18] <jimpop> wgrant, johntramp is having initrd probs... won't boot
[03:20] <wgrant> What is the precise error message that GRUB gives?
[03:20] <stoosh> jimpop: got the last?
[03:22] <johntramp> still gave the same error...
[03:22] <nekohayo> anyone else lost sound with today's updates?
[03:22] <nekohayo> (no more devices are seen by gnome-volume-control
[03:22] <GodfatherofEire> anybody havin problems with Ubuntu Software Center, like installing things in it?
[03:23] <johntramp> wgrant: it says "error: initrd too big" when grub tries to boot
[03:23] <johntramp> this is from a new install of 9.10rc
[03:24] <wgrant> johntramp: Have other releases worked OK on that hardware?
[03:24] <stoosh> nekohayo: my sound works fine sorry
[03:24] <johntramp> haven't tried
[03:25] <nekohayo> hm, strange
[03:25] <nekohayo> even after a reboot?
[03:26] <stoosh> good night and thanx again..:)
[03:34] <aprilhare> hey
[03:34] <jbuncher> yo
[03:35] <cxo> wassup
[03:35] <aprilhare> still looking for a way to get past the firefox bugs :)
[03:36] <aprilhare> hmmmm
[03:37] <johntramp> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7.3M 2009-10-24 01:50 initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic
[03:38] <johntramp> look normal?
[03:38] <aprilhare> can't see the file johntramp but the listing doesn't look unusual to me
[03:38] <cxo> To be honest I think FF has always been buggy in Linux. It just feels so much faster on windows. I talk to my windows friends and they say Chrome is now the thing, maybe that might work for me if it had adblock and noscript, considering google made it, i doubt it
[03:38] <cxo> yes its normal
[03:39] <johntramp> aprilhare: but that is an expected size
[03:39] <johntramp> ok
[03:39] <johntramp> ill try chroot in and update
[03:40] <aprilhare> cxo: its *really* buggy though. not production quality even.
[03:40] <aprilhare> dunno maybe i bring this upon myself running amd64
[03:41] <cxo> Adblock is a total must for me, noscript too is something i'm using more often these days
[03:41] <altavatar> I just installed Karmic and my digital-out audio stopped working. Ive checked the usual suspects (alsamixer, main volume is up, etc).aplay -l shows the digital out dev... not sure what to do, any ideas?
[03:41] <aprilhare> but somehow i expect flash and acroread plugins to work, and i expect my web browser not to crash all the time, and i expect to be able to deal with files i download properly without the functionality to be essentially broken. maybe its just me
[03:42] <johntramp> will update-initramfs -u create a new initrd?
[03:43] <jbuncher> aprilhare, that could be, I've been running the alpha/beta/rc 32-bit and have been very impressed with the stability.
[03:43] <arrrghhh> does anyone use pulse to stream audio across their network?
[03:44] <cxo> i use jacknet arrrghhh
[03:44] <arrrghhh> cxo, jacknet... never heard of it.
[03:44] <cxo> its just an output plugin for jack
[03:45] <mmcji> howdee, i am having problems with laptop with Intel GMA 4500 video.  unable to get widescreen resolution.
[03:45] <mmcji> is there a best practices way to setup xorg for this video chipset?
[03:45] <ademos> Ubuntu 9.10-RC: One SATA hard disk is being detected, the other is not. When I run "blkid" I only see my system hard disk, and one of the storage hard disks. But one of the disks refuses to show up. ----- Would unplugging and replugging in the disk help? ---- Any other ideas?
[03:45] <arrrghhh> ah.  does jack replace pulse?  i don't really care how i do it.  here's my setup... server in the living room w/music hooked up to stereo in local output jacks.  separate machine in the bedroom, i'd like to stream the sound to that room as in sync as possible... i use mpd, i'm assuming that wouldn't matter?
[03:46] <aprilhare> jbuncher: you tend to feel abandoned when it comes to 64 bit operating system in terms of support
[03:46] <ademos> aprilhare, agreed
[03:46] <aprilhare> jbuncher: its bugs that should have been ironed out revisions ago
[03:46] <km_> cxo: adsweep for chrome: http://adsweep.org/
[03:47] <jbuncher> aprilhare, yeah, flash support is the main reason I haven't switched over
[03:47] <ademos> So is there any other way to detect a hard disk? because auto-detection has failed...
[03:47] <arrrghhh> cxo, is there a simple guide on how to use jack?
[03:47] <jbuncher> aprilhare, the install base for 32 bit is just so much larger, much greater chance of bugs getting quashed.
[03:47] <ademos> jbuncher, I use 64 bit Flash. It's worked pretty reliably for the last couple months
[03:48] <aprilhare> jbuncher: theoretically it should be fine. it was a couple of updates during karmic development that have essentially made it unstable
[03:48] <aprilhare> very recent updates
[03:48] <ademos> jbuncher, http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[03:48] <aprilhare> jbuncher: thats the plugin i'm using
[03:48] <aprilhare> its firefox though. firefox has grown unstable
[03:49] <jbuncher> aprilhare, besides, I don't have any machines with > 2 gig of ram, so 64 bit doesn't really net me any advantages I don't think
[03:49] <ademos> aprilhare, especially Firefox-3.7 >:)
[03:49] <arrrghhh> aprilhare, i have had 3.5.x crash a lot more than any other firefox i've ran in a while...
[03:49] <aprilhare> jbuncher: ram isn't the only reason you use 64 bit. there are speed increases.
[03:49] <chu_> Or larger word sizes.
[03:49] <aprilhare> ademos: i'm on 3.5.x
[03:50] <ademos> aprilhare, I'm on 3.7a1 :D
[03:50] <arrrghhh> 64-bit isn't that much faster unless you rebuild all your stuff from scratch...  most of the stuff still seems to be built for x86 by default.
[03:50] <ademos> aprilhare, I love the new tab-loading visuals
[03:50] <ademos> aprilhare, do you have any idea about my issue I asked about?
[03:51] <Tinason> hello, does anyone know how to get intel hda acl888 sound to work, at all ?
[03:51] <aprilhare> ademos: question?
[03:52] <ademos> aprilhare, sorry
[03:52] <aprilhare> ademos: oh the hdd
[03:52] <aprilhare> no sorry
[03:52] <ademos> yes
[03:52] <aprilhare> everything i own autodetects
[03:52] <ademos> ah
[03:52] <ademos> aprilhare, well from 7.10-9.04 everything I own did too ;)
[03:53] <fausto> Does enyone have a proble mith karmic freezing on boot (black screeen) untill you send the term signam (alt+sysrq+e)?
[03:54] <filgy> fausto: did you disable usplash and quiet to see the boot messages?
[03:54] <fausto> how can I debug a freeze on boot, there is nothing on the screen
[03:54] <fausto> how do I disable usplash?
[03:55] <filgy> fausto: press e in grub and remove 'quiet' and 'splash'
[03:56] <webbb82> what do you guys think about google desktop in ubuntu does it slow down your computer or wouold a differant app be better off
[03:56] <Asa_A> how do I get my tab completion back? "sudo apti<tab>" doesn't complete to aptitude even though I have it installed
[03:57] <fausto> filgy: I'll reboot and try it, be back in 5min
[03:57] <webbb82> i think you can find it in the  keyboard shortcuts app
[03:58] <filgy> Asa_A: did you try pressing tab twice quickly ?
[03:58] <Asa_A> yes, it simply ignores the tab
[03:58] <filgy> weird... dunno
[03:59] <Asa_A> "sudo" seems to break it "apti<tab>" works
[04:03] <johntramp> any ideas what i can do about this initrd too big?
[04:04] <webbb82> is there a way to get yahoo widgets in ubuntu
[04:04] <i_is_broke> is anyone else having issues with amarok or is it just me?
[04:05] <wgrant> johntramp: Perhaps install 9.04 or another release that uses GRUB1 and see if that works.
[04:06] <johntramp> wgrant: this says it is grub 1.97~beta4
[04:06] <wgrant> johntramp: That's GRUB2.
[04:06] <johntramp> ok
[04:07] <wgrant> (well, a prerelease thereof)
[04:07] <johntramp> can i chroot in and change to grub1?
[04:07] <johntramp> does lilo even exist any more?
[04:07] <wgrant> You should be able to install GRUB1 (the 'grub' package)
[04:08] <filgy> lilo exists but is not recommended
[04:08] <wgrant> lilo exists, but I haven't used it for a Very Long Time.
[04:09] <johntramp> wgrant: would you expect this to be fixed in a few days when karmic is released?
[04:10] <filgy> johntramp: i'd say file a bug report
[04:11] <wgrant> johntramp: Unlikely. I don't know of an existing bug about it.
[04:11] <wgrant> Things don't often magically get fixed; you need to file a bug.
[04:11] <altavatar> I just installed Karmic and my digital-out audio stopped working. Ive checked the usual suspects (alsamixer, main volume is up, etc).aplay -l shows the digital out dev... not sure what to do, any ideas?
[04:12] <filgy> altavatar: if you go to system->prefs->hardware tab... does it show your sound card there?
[04:12] <DanThirst> Brasero isn't letting me add audio files keeps saying "Halloween Theme.mp3" is not suitable for audio or video media.
[04:12] <wgrant> altavatar: Right click on the volume icon in the notification area, hit Sound Preferences, and make sure the right device is selected in the Output tb.
[04:12] <wgrant> s/tb/tab/
[04:13] <altavatar> filgy:  yep
[04:13] <wgrant> DanThirst: Can you play that file?
[04:13] <DanThirst> yes
[04:13] <DanThirst> its doing it for all files
[04:13] <filgy> altavatar: try what wgrant said
[04:13] <altavatar> wgrant: yep Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output... I've tried the other digital output options as well
[04:14] <filgy> altavatar: does alsamixer have an option for 'Analog/Digital Output Jack' or something similar.. make sure it isn't muted
[04:14] <wgrant> altavatar: Not sure. You might have to file a bug.
[04:14] <altavatar> the pulseaudio volume app shows output when i play an audio file. There's just no actual sound
[04:15] <altavatar> filgy: it has an option for IEC958 (3 actually) that is not muted. Ive also set PCM and master volume to 100
[04:15] <altavatar> wgrant: thx anyways
[04:15] <DanThirst> any idea's or suggestions like maybe there is another program i could try
[04:15] <filgy> altavatar: do you have latest updates?
[04:16] <altavatar> filgy: just did a dist-upgrade a little while ago
[04:16] <filgy> altavatar: dunno... sounds like definately an alsa issue though since PA isn't complaining
[04:17] <wgrant> Indeed.
[04:17] <webbb82> ok i have empathy , and my status is set to available  but in the system tray next to my computer name the icon should be green but its blackish grey
[04:17] <wgrant> All I can recommend at this point is 'ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[04:17] <altavatar> filgy: yeah, ive tried playing audio wih aplay and speaker-test, nothing :-/
[04:17] <altavatar> analog works though
[04:17] <wgrant> webbb82: Icons to the right of the top panel should no longer be coloured.
[04:18] <wgrant> webbb82: A solid dark grey speech bubble means Available.
[04:18] <filgy> altavatar: file a bug report.. it worked fine in 9.04?
[04:18] <webbb82> is there anyway to change the color of tthat and the color of my wifi bar
[04:18] <wgrant> webbb82: You can choose an alternate icon theme.
[04:18] <altavatar> filgy: yep. gonna try the live cd now to make sure that the cable, etc are all good
[04:18] <wgrant> (System->Preferences->Appearance)
[04:19] <johntramp> wgrant: will installing grub remove grub2?
[04:19] <wgrant> johntramp: Very probably.
[04:19] <webbb82> that will change the wifi bars color?
[04:19] <wgrant> johntramp: But note that installing the 'grub' package will not actually write it to the MBR.
[04:20] <wgrant> webbb82: They are just another icon, so yes.
[04:20] <johntramp> ok
[04:20] <filgy> johntramp: keep in mind changes bootloaders should be done with caution
[04:20] <wgrant> filgy: It can't be broken any harder than it is now...
[04:20] <johntramp> what's the ubuntu way of updating the bootloader?
[04:20] <wgrant> johntramp: Try 'update-grub' then 'grub-install hd0' (unless you know a better device name)
[04:21] <Bluey> how do you know if you have grub or grub2 installed?
[04:21] <filgy> Bluey: if you upgraded from 9.04 you should have grub1
[04:21] <filgy> Bluey: if you did a fresh karmic install it should be grub2
[04:21] <Bluey> filgy: I did a clean install
[04:22] <wgrant> You will have GRUB2, unless you installed months ago.
[04:22] <Bluey> filgy: i see no difference --
[04:22] <test34> I install less then months ago and I have grub 1.97
[04:22] <Bluey> wgrant: no i installed a few days ago
[04:22] <wgrant> test34: 1.97 is the latest pre-release of GRUB2.
[04:23] <filgy> Bluey: it's not meant for you to see a difference.. just like you may not notice the difference between one kernel upgrade and another
[04:23] <wgrant> Just like 0.97 is actually GRUB1.
[04:23] <test34> so you need to round up with grub
[04:23] <wgrant> test34: Right. Similar with X.org stuff.
[04:23] <test34> ok
[04:23] <wgrant> They do things like 1.6.99.1 for 1.7rc1.
[04:23] <webbb82> ok when i change the icon theme the wifi bar in the top corner still stays dark grey
[04:23] <DanThirst> brasero is just hosed, can any one suggest any other cd burning software
[04:24] <Bluey> so grub2 still uses menu.lst?
[04:24] <wgrant> Bluey: No.
[04:24] <Bluey> is there a grub2 page I can read up on ?
[04:24] <wgrant> webbb82: Maybe you just chose an icon theme that was too similar.
[04:24] <KnifeySpooney> Bluey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Adding%20Entries%20to%20Grub%202
[04:24] <Bluey> KnifeySpooney: owm thanks
[04:25] <test34> wgrant, that makes sense
[04:26] <johntramp> ok...fingers crossed
[04:26] <KnifeySpooney> Bluey: If you're like me, you'll like the idea of putting a calming splash image on grub2 for the other comp users :D
[04:26] <wgrant> KnifeySpooney: But in the default installation you do not even see GRUB2.
[04:26] <wgrant> The menu does not show up by default.
[04:27] <Bluey> KnifeySpooney: I cn't find grub.d - and how do I set a splash image?
[04:27] <KnifeySpooney> wgrant: Showed up for me because i have other OSes
[04:27] <jimpop> wgrant, the menu still shows if you have 2+ OS entries
[04:27] <scott_ino2> hello, just installed karmic, will mediabuntu work for it
[04:27] <KnifeySpooney> Bluey: it's folder /etc/grub.d
[04:27] <wgrant> jimpop: Ah, yes. That will be fixed in Lucid.
[04:27] <jdahm> So if anyone is interested, I'n running Karmic perfectly on a MBP 3,1
[04:27] <wgrant> See also /etc/default/grub.
[04:27] <wgrant> scott_ino2: Medibuntu? You will have to ask theme.
[04:27] <wgrant> *them
[04:28] <Bluey> KnifeySpooney: okay found that how do I set a spalsh screen?
[04:28] <scott_ino2> wgrant, alright... was just wondering if anybody knew if they updated their repository to include karmic already
[04:28] <scott_ino2> wgrant, this isn't a distro just a repo
[04:28] <wgrant> scott_ino2: It's still a third-party repo which Ubuntu does not control.
[04:29] <scott_ino2> wgrant, i know, was just wondering if anyone in here knew before i gave it a whirl
[04:29] <KnifeySpooney> Bluey: I added a splash image by following the tutorial on this page: http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html
[04:29] <KnifeySpooney> it's a great explanation page
[04:29] <Bluey> okay will look at that
[04:30] <kuttans> after update and upgrade yesterday night my bluetooh audio headsets are unable to get bonded anyone facing the same problem?
[04:30] <scott_ino2> wgrant, just so you know it appears they already added it :)
[04:30] <fausto> hi all, what do I need to press during boot to display the grub boot menu?
[04:30] <kuttans> fausro: shift key
[04:30] <wgrant> fausto: Hold down Shift.
[04:30] <KnifeySpooney> @all - I love Ubuntu Karmic's new add-apt-repository command! Makes it so much easier to install a gpg key
[04:30] <fausto> thanks
[04:31] <wgrant> KnifeySpooney: Also note that there is a GUI for that.
[04:31] <KnifeySpooney> wgrant: For add-apt-repository? what is it?
[04:31] <DanThirst> http://pastebin.com/d1425c797 - i tried to remove and reinstall the package and it gave some odd results
[04:31] <wgrant> KnifeySpooney: Well, specifically for PPAs.
[04:31] <wgrant> KnifeySpooney: You can just give 'ppa:USERNAME/PPANAME' as a third-party source in Software Sources, and it will do the magic keygrabbing for you.
[04:32] <wgrant> DanThirst: That looks OK.
[04:32] <jdahm> the only complaint I have is that some of the menu icons don't show up.  Specifically under the "System" menu
[04:32] <KnifeySpooney> wgrant: Yeah, the terminal does that too. I did that to add the chromium-daily ppa pubkey
[04:32] <wgrant> jdahm: That's a deliberate GNOME design decision.
[04:32] <DanThirst> yeah still can't add any files
[04:33] <jdahm> wgrant: wow. really??
[04:33] <wgrant> jdahm: You can revive them in System->Preferences->Appearance->Interface
[04:33] <KnifeySpooney> jdahm: Go to Appearance > Interface and enable "Show icons in menus"
[04:33] <wgrant> jdahm: Hopefully eventually the space where the icons were will disappear.
[04:33] <wgrant> And that will make it look a bit less damn awful.
[04:33] <jdahm> hahaha
[04:33] <jdahm> yes
[04:34] <jdahm> I don't so much mind that they are gone either.  But the space is ugly! hehe
[04:34] <wgrant> It's worse than ugly.
[04:34] <KnifeySpooney> i love having icons there
[04:34] <jdahm> overall though, I give kudos to gnome and ubuntu for putting together a beautiful release!
[04:34] <webbb82> is there anyway to change the wifi indicator applet icon
[04:34] <wgrant> jdahm: It is pretty excellent.
[04:34] <wgrant> webbb82: The icon theme controls it. eg. try changing to High Contrast, and you'll see the icon change.
[04:35] <scott_ino2> any way to change the indicator applet position?
[04:35] <wgrant> scott_ino2: Right click, uncheck 'Lock to panel'?
[04:35] <DanThirst> you mean im going to have to use windows to burn this cd >_>
[04:35] <scott_ino2> wgrant, i meant the notifications themselves appear in the middle of the screen
[04:35] <scott_ino2> or well middle right
[04:36] <scott_ino2> instead of top right
[04:36] <wgrant> scott_ino2: You mean offset about one notification-height from the top?
[04:36] <jdahm> when will gnome fix their convoluted icon positioning scheme?  (Is it fixed in 2.28?)
[04:36] <wgrant> jdahm: Which?
[04:36] <Bluey> rebooting
[04:36] <jdahm> wgrant: for gnome-panel, whenver I switch dislays icons always move around
[04:37] <jdahm> at least in old releases they did, I haven't switched displays with this one yet
[04:37] <Dai> ooh.  i always had that problem when i used different resolutions (for games and whatnot)
[04:37] <wgrant> Ah, applet positioning.
[04:37] <wgrant> It doesn't seem too bad any more.
[04:37] <wgrant> It's certainly better than it was a couple of years ago!
[04:38] <jdahm> hehe yes very much so
[04:41] <scott_ino2> wow the restricted-extras package is 305MB now
[04:41] <td123> what was added?
[04:41] <wgrant> It shouldn't be that big.
[04:41] <scott_ino2> wgrant, well im installing it now
[04:42] <scott_ino2> i can't see what's added as it's downloading
[04:42] <scott_ino2> id have to look it up
[04:42] <td123> lol 300mb is gonna take a while to install :)
[04:42] <scott_ino2> Ok, im on 64bit and i believe it's downloading all of the 32bit libraries
[04:42] <td123> I kinda have a hard time believing it is 300mb
[04:42] <scott_ino2> so that might account for the extras
[04:43] <scott_ino2> td123, that's why i was so shocked that's huge
[04:43] <i_is_broke> god i love google...its my hero..fixed my amarok..:D
[04:43] <i_is_broke> yeah me
[04:43] <scott_ino2> but yeah it's downloading all of the 32 bit libraries
[04:43] <td123> scott_ino2: wait.. is it a 300mb download or 300mb installed size?
[04:43] <scott_ino2> download
[04:43] <td123> scott_ino2: oh
[04:43] <wgrant> Ahr, right, good old ia32-libs.
[04:43] <scott_ino2> yes all of them
[04:44] <td123> scott_ino2: that makes sense then
[04:44] <wgrant> 300MB is particularly bad at the moment, as all the mirrors are overloaded already :(
[04:44] <Bluey> no splash screen looks like the old grub
[04:44] <wgrant> Bluey: Hm?
[04:44] <td123> scott_ino2: there's nothing weird about that then... you're on a 64bit install
[04:44] <scott_ino2> td123, yeah but what package in there needs 32bit libraries
[04:44] <Bluey> wgrant: I think I have grub install not grub2 -
[04:44] <td123> scott_ino2: that's what I'm also thinking :)
[04:45] <wgrant> Bluey: apt-cache policy grub
[04:45] <td123> scott_ino2: java and flash are 64bit
[04:45] <wgrant> And 'apt-cache policy grub-pc'
[04:45] <td123> scott_ino2: it could be one of the codecs
[04:45] <scott_ino2> *sigh
[04:45] <scott_ino2> oh well... it's going at 100k so not too bad
[04:45] <Dai> w32codecs?
[04:46] <td123> that's pretty good, earlier i was getting a 1.5kb dl off the main server
[04:46] <Bluey> looks like old guy -- apt-cache policy grub
[04:46] <Bluey> grub:  Installed: (none)  Candidate: 0.97-29ubuntu59  Version table:
[04:46] <Bluey>      0.97-29ubuntu59 0  500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[04:46] <scott_ino2> td123, yeah i thought about changing it
[04:46] <wgrant> Bluey: Note the 'Installed: (none)'
[04:46] <scott_ino2> I wanted to do the upgrade before things get too crazy :)
[04:46] <wgrant> Bluey: Old grub is not installed.
[04:46] <fausto> Hi all, as I mentioned before my newly installed karmic hangs with a black screen during boot (with not disk activity) and only continues if I send a sigterm (alt+sysrq+e). Now I tried changing the boot optins to remove usplash and quiet and then it boots ok. Anyone have any idea on how to find the problem?
[04:47] <scott_ino2> plus i had to do a clean install as i wanted ext4 and didnt wanna fool with doing it in-place
[04:47] <Bluey> wgrant: what does that mean?
[04:47] <wgrant> Bluey: GRUB2 probably is.
[04:47] <Bluey> wgrant: why does it look like the old grub then?
[04:47] <wgrant> Bluey: Because they look very similar.
[04:47] <wgrant> Bluey: It should give you a version number at the top of the menu.
[04:47] <Bluey> wgrant: I set up a splash screen but it ignored it
[04:48] <Bluey> wgrant: Version table:    0.97-29ubuntu59 0
[04:48] <wgrant> Bluey: I've no idea about any crazy splash screen stuff.
[04:48] <wgrant> Bluey: That's just the available version.
[04:48] <wgrant> The important bit is 'Installed: (none)'
[04:48] <Bluey> wgrant: again what does that mean?
[04:49] <wgrant> Bluey: There is no version of grub installed.
[04:49] <wgrant> Which presumably means that grub2 is.
[04:49] <fausto> filgy: I disabled quiet usplash and it boots ok, I couldn't see any error message
[04:49] <Bluey> wgrant: okay I'll see if i can find something on installing grub2
[04:49] <wgrant> Bluey: It is probably already installed, or you would be unable to boot.
[04:49] <Bluey> true
[04:50] <filgy> fausto: so it's not hanging anymore or anything ?
[04:51] <fausto> no, if I remove quiet usplash it does not hang, it boots ok
[04:52] <filgy> fausto: cool... it would really be beneficial if you took the time to fill out a bug report with your system specs explaining usplash hangs system and system boots fine without usplash
[04:52] <fausto> filgy: ok, what kind of info should I include in the report
[04:53] <fausto> filgy: and what kind of title (I'ḿ not good at chosing titles)?
[04:53] <RomD> I have no sound in kaffeine. amarok and totem are fine. does anyone wether I need a certain codec or something?
[04:53] <RomD> *know
[04:54] <i_is_broke> RomD, are you running gnome or kde?
[04:54] <RomD> i_is_broke: gnome
[04:55] <i_is_broke> RomD, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras loaded?
[04:56] <i_is_broke> thats what i had to add to get my amarok to work.
[04:57] <RomD> i_is_broke: just installed it, but still no sound :/
[04:58] <RomD> neither video files or dvb has sound
[04:58] <i_is_broke> did you close out and reopen it?
[04:58] <RomD> yep
[04:58] <i_is_broke> oh you need ffmepeg
[04:58] <Bluey> wgrant: i rebooted I have gnu grub v 1.97 - which is NOT 2.....at least I am not going out of my mind....
[04:58] <wgrant> Bluey: 1.97 is 2.
[04:58] <i_is_broke> oops ffmpeg...duh
[04:58] <scott_ino2> beta beta
[04:58] <wgrant> Bluey: 0.97 is 1, 1.97 is 2
[04:59] <Bluey> wgrant: I see no chain loader menu
[04:59] <wgrant> Bluey: Did you expect to?
[04:59] <Bluey> wgrant: yes
[04:59] <wgrant> Bluey: Why?
[05:00] <Bluey> wgrant: because I thought I was still running v 1
[05:00] <RomD> i_is_broke: seems to be a tough one. no success with ffmpeg either. I think I saw a demuxer error when I first opened a channel.
[05:00] <wgrant> Bluey: Well, you're not.
[05:00] <RomD> my amarok had sound out of the box
[05:01] <_akahige_> tried upgrading from jaunty and hit a wall. the new kernel does not load to the desktop. it reports a bunch of fs mount errors and dumps to a shell that flickers like the keyboard's gone berserk (which means I can't login). fortunately, I *can* get to desktop with the 2.6.28-16 kernel. am hoping for some advice.
[05:01] <i_is_broke> RomD, well thats something i havent messed with, maybe someone else might have an idea then.
[05:01] <RomD> maybe there's just the wrong device, but I can't find sound settings
[05:01] <RomD> in kaffeine
[05:01] <fausto> that software draws the fading ubuntu logo on a black screen before xsplash?
[05:02] <wgrant> _akahige_: 'sudo update-initramfs -u' once you've booted, then reboot. If that still doesn't work, file a bug against 'linux'.
[05:02] <wgrant> fausto: That's usplash.
[05:02] <_akahige_> wgrant: can I do that from X (where I am now) ?
[05:02] <fausto> wgrant: but I thouth karmic wouldn't have usplash?
[05:02] <gilos123> I need help getting my grub to be the bootloader again instead of win7 that I installed to a separate partition after installing 9.10 (on  a new drive)
[05:03] <wgrant> fausto: It wasn't originally intended to, but it does.
[05:03] <td123> fausto: I also heard that
[05:03] <wgrant> fausto: It runs before X can be started.
[05:06] <_akahige_> wgrant: which kernel did you mean I should boot to for the update-initramfs ?
[05:06] <_akahige_> (or does it matter)
[05:06] <osirisx11> does anyone have any suggestions for boot-time enc? I'm a huge fan of truecrypt but i don't think it offers boot time enc for linux
[05:07] <wgrant> _akahige_: Any which boots, really. The command I gave will always update the initramfs of the latest installed kernel, regardless of which is booted.
[05:08] <wgrant> osirisx11: The Ubuntu alternate installer offers full disk encryption.
[05:08] <wgrant> osirisx11: The desktop installer only offers home directory encryption.
[05:08] <mzz> osirisx11: possibly see cryptsetup (which afaik is what you get if you tell the installer to encrypt a partition)
[05:08] <_akahige_> wgrant: thanks. (this is a bit over my head)
[05:08] <mzz> and/or ecryptfs, which is used by the homedir encryption offered by the installer
[05:08] <wgrant> Right, the alternate installer FDE uses cryptsetup. The home directory encryption in both installers uses eCryptFS>
[05:09] <osirisx11> no plausible deniablity though huh?
[05:09] <mzz> the former operates at the block device level, the latter at the filesystem level. Both have their uses.
[05:10] <mzz> I don't think either offers that, but I haven't really looked into it
[05:10] <osirisx11> its a shame.
[05:10] <wgrant> Neither offer plausibility deniability.
[05:11] <stone1343> hi, is anybody else not getting sound with the RC? I have 2 machines, neither have sound right now...
[05:11] <osirisx11> stone1343: I had to edit my alsa config files in my home to use pulse
[05:12] <wgrant> stone1343: Fresh install, or upgrade?
[05:12] <wgrant> If the latter, try a 9.10 RC live CD and see if it works.
[05:12] <stone1343> both fresh
[05:12] <wgrant> Hm.
[05:12] <wgrant> What type of sound card does each machine have?
[05:12] <stone1343> osirisx11 did you find howto somewhere?
[05:13] <osirisx11> yes
[05:13] <osirisx11> i can pm you my config
[05:13] <aprilhare> grrrr the lack of support is irritating https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/459108
[05:13] <stone1343> wgrant one's nvidia, one's intel
[05:13] <aprilhare> why do i bother using ubuntu with this lack of support?
[05:14] <stone1343> sorry notnvidia
[05:14] <aprilhare> sorry but thats whats been going through my mind for a while now
[05:14] <stone1343> obviously not nvidia
[05:14] <stone1343> dunno what the other one is
[05:15] <Polarina> aprilhare: We're sorry for not delivering the support you need.
[05:16] <Polarina> not being able to deliver*
[05:16] <wgrant> aprilhare: I don't see why micahg rejected that bug, but that is in general a perfectly valid reason.
[05:16] <wgrant> I just can't see yet how it applies to this case.
[05:16] <wgrant> (but complaining that we do not support crap proprietary software is not reasonable)
[05:18] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[05:18] <wgrant> 64-bit Flash, of course.
[05:18] <wgrant> aprilhare: We cannot practically support proprietary binary-only software at the best of times.
[05:18] <wgrant> Let alone when it is an early release of 64-bit Adobe Flash
[05:18] <mzz> yeah, without having actually read that bug: flash being a binary blob makes it usually pretty hard to supportc
[05:18] <wgrant> Report it to Adobe.
[05:18] <fausto> anyone knows how I can move the gnome panels to my secondary monitor on a dual screen setup?
[05:19] <_akahige_> wgrant: tried your update-initramfs suggestion, but still got the "general error mounting file systems" with the .31 kernel. booting into the .28 kernel fired some kind of mount error message, but it flew by so quickly I couldn't catch it
[05:19] <mzz> fausto: I don't know about moving them, but if you always have two monitors one way is to just create new panels there and put the desired applets on them. That may not do the right thing if you *sometimes* have multiple monitors though.
[05:19] <wgrant> _akahige_: ubuntu-bug linux
[05:20] <_akahige_> wgrant: thanks. will do
[05:20] <stone1343> ok, thanks that's pretty much all I wanted for now, to know whether it's a problem everyone has or just me...
[05:20] <aprilhare> wgrant: you ever get the feeling there isn't a nice way to back report to adobe? :)
[05:20] <wgrant> aprilhare: That doesn't make it any less inappropriate to report it to us, when we can do nothing.
[05:21] <aprilhare> wgrant: ok. fine. you can't do anything. we need to find a way to back report to adobe. any suggestions?
[05:21] <wgrant> aprilhare: I think they have a bugtracker somewhere.
[05:22] <wgrant> http://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[05:22] <fausto> mzz: I think we have a regression, because on intrepid the panels would alwas go to the main monitor (the one on the left), so if I had my external monitor connected it would display there, otherwise it would display on the laptop monitor. Now it always display on the laptop monitor (even when it is on the right)
[05:23] <aprilhare> wgrant: wouldn't it be nice if someone would tell people who report to ubuntu where to go to actually report their bugs?
[05:24] <aprilhare> wgrant: after all, the runaround isn't helpful.
[05:24] <wgrant> aprilhare: Probably. But we have approximately one billion zillion bugs, so dealing with them swiftly is essential. It is most regrettable that they are sometimes handled suboptimally, but there is insufficient manpower to handle every one perfectly.
[05:24] <aprilhare> true
[05:26] <Daijoubu> Hello, i just installed the RC, and found that PPPOE DSL does not work when configured from the GUI.
[05:26] <wgrant> Daijoubu: "does not work" is not the most useful description of the error. Can you elaborate?
[05:26] <Daijoubu> i was able to connect with sudo pppoeconf in terminal
[05:27] <Daijoubu> well in ubuntu 9.04 i just go to DSL tab then add new connection enter my user name and pass and then chose that connection and it connects
[05:27] <Daijoubu> now it just sayd offline
[05:28] <Daijoubu> and the second time i tryed it popped up a window asking for password
[05:28] <Daijoubu> typing the password again didn't do anything it pops that window again
[05:28] <Daijoubu> so i went to terminal and did it with pppoeconf and it worked ... same username same password ..
[05:30] <Daijoubu> the steps i took were, Edit connections, then edited the eth0 and disabled auto connect on it so that DSL can autoconnect first, then went on DSL added new connection typed user and pass
[05:30] <ixian_> is the ubuntu 9.10 RC the same as the final version coming out in a few days?
[05:30] <fausto> how can I create a panel on another monitor on karmic?
[05:32] <Daijoubu> wgrant, btw after doing the pppoeconf in terminal, now i can't see the options that were available in the menu before, mening to select the default eth0 and DSL connection 1
[05:33] <Daijoubu> wgrant,  when i single click on the Network icon it says Device not managed now
[05:34] <Hew> ixian_, it will be very similar, the only changes should be last minute bug fixes. You will be able to get these as updates.
[05:36]  * aprilhare creates an account on bugs.adobe.com
[05:37] <aprilhare> yay for bug reporting!
[05:39] <Daijoubu> do i have to reinstall Ubuntu now ? or i can continue using my DSL with the pppoeconf from terminal ? Will this affect my system for updates and so on ?
[05:40] <richardcavell> ixian_: don't know yet
[05:40] <richardcavell> ixian_: if all goes to plan, yes
[05:43] <johntramp> what version of grub does 9.10rc use?
[05:44] <fausto> there is anyway I can call attention to an important bug report? Or I just have to let it follow its course?
[05:44] <richardcavell> johntramp: GRUB 2
[05:45] <richardcavell> fausto: you can upgrade the severityr ating
[05:45] <fausto> richardcavell: you mean the importance? I can't edit that
[05:45] <richardcavell> fausto: really?  I've been able to
[05:46] <richardcavell> maybe it's my karma or something
[05:46] <richardcavell> I mean karma as in the rating you get from participation
[05:46] <fausto> richardcavell: anything to do with the fact that the status is new? or that i'm not the creator of the bug?
[05:47] <richardcavell> okay
[05:47] <richardcavell> you're not the creator
[05:48] <richardcavell> that explains it
[05:48] <johntramp> richardcavell: any idea why i can boot the rc live cd fine but when its installed it complains about the initrd being too big?
[05:48] <johntramp> by 'it' i mean grub2
[05:48] <fausto> richardcavell: no, it was originaly reported several months ago, but no one looked at it. And is quite a serious one because the system won't boot without manualy changing the grub parameters
[05:48] <richardcavell> johntramp: jesus
[05:48] <richardcavell> johntramp: you mean a clean install?
[05:49] <johntramp> yes
[05:49] <richardcavell> fausto: mate that just happens sometimes
[05:49] <richardcavell> johntramp: that sounds serious
[05:49] <richardcavell> johntramp: have you reported the bug?
[05:49] <johntramp> not yet
[05:49] <richardcavell> fausto: welcome to my world... trying to get bugs fixed means bringing it to the attention of the developer of the sortware
[05:49] <richardcavell> johntramp: do so.
[05:49] <johntramp> ok
[05:50] <johntramp> at bugs.launchpad.net?
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> johntramp: what architecture?  I know sparc is broken.
[05:50] <fausto> richardcavell: should I change the status to confirmed (because unfortunately I've been able to replicate)?
[05:50] <richardcavell> fausto: have you confirmed a bug filed by someone else?
[05:51] <richardcavell> confirmed means confirmed by a different user
[05:51] <johntramp> its an intel atom n270
[05:51] <johntramp> an emachine
[05:51] <fausto> yes, I'm experiencing the same bug, so I'll change the status to confirmed
[05:51] <richardcavell> fausto: yes you can do that
[05:52] <richardcavell> fausto: add a comment just briefly describing how you confirmed the bug
[05:52] <johntramp> i guess i need to register before i can post a bug?
[05:52] <richardcavell> johntramp: yes
[05:53] <johntramp> ah does it use the same account as forums.ubuntu?
[05:53] <richardcavell> no
[05:54] <richardcavell> alright I'm gonna go defrag my hard disk now boys
[05:54] <richardcavell> good luck with everything
[05:54] <Daijoubu> I have another problem, since ubuntu doesn't detect my sound card ALC888 in previous versions i needed to edit alsa-base.conf and add "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack-6ch" there
[05:55] <Daijoubu> after reboot i could go to the GUI and enable my surround sound channels and unmute surround sound
[05:55] <Daijoubu> any idea how to get to these settings now ? nothing is there ...
[05:55] <Daijoubu> no where to select number of Channels or individual channel controlls ...
[06:00] <kohlrak> um... Would it be unusual for my laptop to randomly turnoff at 50% battery power?
[06:01] <johntramp> kohlrak: i would guess yes
[06:01] <kohlrak> any ideas what might cause it so that i could report a bug? =p
[06:02] <Polarina> kohlrak: How old is the battery?
[06:02] <kohlrak> only a few years old, but i seldom actually use it
[06:02] <johntramp> ...i cant even work out how to post a bug
[06:02] <kohlrak> truth is, it shut down about as soon as i plugged the power cord back in.
[06:03] <Polarina> kohlrak: That would explain it. It's getting old.
[06:03] <Polarina> kohlrak: Li-Ion batteries degrade over time, whether used or not.
[06:03] <kohlrak> that would be odd though, because it didn't happen until i just upgraded to koala... You'd think i'd've noticed something before.
[06:04] <Polarina> kohlrak: That's odd indeed.
[06:04] <kohlrak> that's why i came in here before declaring another part of the lappy defective.
[06:05] <kohlrak> i also have a strange graph to look at too... lemme take a screeny for you.
[06:07] <kohlrak> http://kohlrak.sytes.net/power.png
[06:08] <kohlrak> screenshot of the power manager
[06:08] <Polarina> kohlrak: That's really weird.
[06:09] <Polarina> kohlrak: Something's draining the battery very rapidly.
[06:09] <kohlrak> i'm guessing the dip in the peak is probably where it shut itself down.
[06:09] <Daijoubu> where are the old sound controls guys ? :(
[06:09] <kohlrak> actually, the battery isn't top of the line though
[06:09] <Polarina> kohlrak: The battery power is reducing while on AC.
[06:09] <Polarina> kohlrak: And increases while on battery power.
[06:09] <kohlrak> it isn't on AC until it goes red.
[06:10] <Polarina> kohlrak: Really? Because blue means AC.
[06:10] <kohlrak> seems like the power manager might be really messed up then, because that red line is right now, and i'm on ac right now.
[06:10] <Polarina> kohlrak: Wait. You got it right-to-left!
[06:11] <Polarina> kohlrak: You're confusing us with that. :P
[06:11] <kohlrak> um, whatever it's doing is default settings =p
[06:11] <kohlrak> right is newest, left is oldest
[06:12] <Polarina> kohlrak: All, right, this is not normal though, unless you got fast-charging cells (not common).
[06:12] <Polarina> kohlrak: No, left is newest at your screen.
[06:12] <kohlrak> that can't be
[06:12] <kohlrak> look at the scale at the bottom
[06:12] <Polarina> kohlrak: Yes, they are inversed.
[06:12] <Polarina> 0s is supposed to be at the left.
[06:13] <kohlrak> i have no idea how to switch it again... XD
[06:15] <kohlrak> either way, if you look though, apparently it shut down my system before it even hit as low as 50%...
[06:16] <kohlrak> i'm gonna see what kern.log has to say about it
[06:23] <kohlrak> sorry it's taking so long, but i have one of those stupid keycode things constantly in my logs
[06:26] <kohlrak> oh heck, it doesn't have anything to say about it..........
[06:26] <kohlrak> the log suddenly stops there and picks up again where i turned the computer back on
[06:27] <kohlrak> the "atkbd.c: Unknown key released" message did change though
[06:38] <Daijoubu> I'm trying to compile a driver for my DVB-S2 card, and it fails with two errors regarding the headers, i have installed build-essential, is there another package that includes full headers ?
[06:39] <kohlrak> might be a dev package necessary for driver development, not sure...
[06:40] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, http://pastebin.com/m66cee8a9
[06:41] <kohlrak> yeah, that looks like the case. It could also be due to the lack of a specific parameter (like x11 programs often need -x11)
[06:42] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, should i just install all the dev packs and hope for the best ?
[06:42] <kohlrak> deffinately not
[06:42] <filgy> Daijoubu: do you have the package linux-libc-dev installed ?
[06:42] <kohlrak> otherwise you'll have an HD full of header files.
[06:42] <filgy> Daijoubu: and all the other linux-headers packages ?
[06:43] <Daijoubu> filgy, yes
[06:43] <Daijoubu> the others not sure
[06:43] <duncan_> I just upgraded my windows partition to 7 which of course overwrote the MBR and grub
[06:43] <kohlrak> duncan_: are you asking for help? =p
[06:43] <duncan_> how do you restore grub using grub2?  only familiar with how to do it in 1.5
[06:43] <Daijoubu> filgy, they don't come with build-essential package ?
[06:44] <duncan_> kohlrak, yeah :)
[06:45] <filgy> Daijoubu: dunno.... if you don't have linux-headers package installed for your kernel version, that is probably what's wrong
[06:45] <kohlrak> duncan_: Usually you can easily fix this within a grub prompt easily (in any version) with a really silly, kick-yourself-in-the-butt command that no one ever seems to remember. I'll google something real quick for you.
[06:45] <Daijoubu> filgy, i should search in Synaptic for linux-headers and install all of them ? I have all the 2.6.31-14 generic installed
[06:46] <duncan_> kohlrak, thanks :)
[06:47] <filgy> Daijoubu: what about just linux-headers not linux-headers-generic ?
[06:47] <Daijoubu> filgy, yes they are installed
[06:48] <filgy> Daijoubu: dunno then
[06:48] <filgy> Daijoubu: I think whatever you are trying to compile is looking for the headers in the wrong directory
[06:48] <Daijoubu> it's getting real hard for people like me to make everything work witht his new release :)
[06:49] <filgy> Daijoubu: it is looking in /usr/src/linux-headers-version when it should be linux-headers-version/arch or linux-headers-version/include or whatever
[06:49] <Daijoubu> filgy, i didn't have that problem with 9.04, actually in 9.04 i didn't install even build-essential and they compiled
[06:49] <lucent> I found a bug but I'm not sure what it is or how to report it... ha
[06:49] <kohlrak> duncan_: this might be what you're looking for (not sure if it's right or not since i can't test it since i've upgraded from jaunty): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[06:50] <kohlrak> duncan_: just make sure you replace the drive names with the right ones...
[06:50] <filgy> Daijoubu: weird
[06:50] <kohlrak> lucent: would it happen to have anything to do with randomly turning off your computer?XD
[06:50] <lucent> mount a luks encrypted USB flashdrive, then try to mount a btrfs volume, and it says "invalid superblock"
[06:50] <duncan_> kohlrak, aye thanks, I just stumbled upon that myself as well
[06:51] <lucent> if I unmount the luks volume, and then mount the btrfs volume, it mounts fine
[06:51] <kohlrak> duncan_: did you try it or hold off?
[06:51] <filgy> Daijoubu: sure what you are trying to compile isn't a newer version then the one that worked with 9.04?
[06:51] <duncan_> kohlrak, trying it now
[06:51] <lucent> kohlrak: that's the creepy part, "invalid superblock" are scary things to read
[06:52] <kohlrak> lucent: surely scary, but what does it mean by superblock? I've purpously avoided studying filesystems.
[06:52] <Daijoubu> filgy, yep it's the same thing, i actually had the same problem compiling when i tried rpm distros, it fixed when i installed all dev packs lol ...
[06:52] <Daijoubu> filgy, it's a shame that i have to struggle with ubuntu the same way now :/
[06:53] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: It's the same problem with man pages... Not all sections of the manpages are installed when man is....
[06:54] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: iirc, sections 2 and 3 (ones i see most important) aren't...
[06:54] <Daijoubu> :/
[06:55] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: sad thing is, you'll deal with this with any package based distro...
[06:55] <Daijoubu> this was not the case with Ubuntu until now
[06:55] <Daijoubu> that's why i loved it
[06:55] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: you'd THINK someone would make a package to make this easy and include all the dependencies for you, but no one ever really does.
[06:56] <Daijoubu> I just installed ubuntu, tweaked alsa-base for surround sound, compiled my DVB-S2 drivers, installed Kaffeine and it all worked
[06:56] <Daijoubu> now, no sound controls, drivers don't compile
[06:56] <Daijoubu> and who knows that's going on with Kaffeine for 9.10 haha
[06:57] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Well, don't forget you're using a pre-release version of ubuntu too... However these sort of things don't get better. However, since alot of the packages are only barely modified before passed around, you'll get this sort of thing with all distros...
[06:58] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, is the 64bit version worst in such cases ?
[06:58] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: it's really the fault of the people who are making the package files, and not declaring certain things dependencies when they really are, because they assume you'll go for the dependency on your own.
[06:58] <Daijoubu> :/
[06:58] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: honestly, never tried 32bit, but I assume that the cause of the problem wouldn't be different for 32 or 64bit, so either way you're still screwed.
[06:59] <foormea> hi
[06:59] <foormea> problem with karmic and adobe-flashplugin
[07:00] <Daijoubu> oh well in that case installing all dev packs and hoping for the best haha
[07:00] <foormea> sudo aptitude dist-update says "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package"
[07:00] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: ends up being what most people do...
[07:00] <foormea> and sudo dpkg --purge adobe-flashplugin says "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal"
[07:00] <foormea> i just tried reinstalling the package, sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/packenameyadayada
[07:01] <foormea> and it won't install
[07:01] <kohlrak> foormea: ah, broken package...
[07:01] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, sad :)
[07:01] <foormea> any idea on how to fix this please? :)
[07:01] <foormea> kohlrak: yes indeed, broken package
[07:01] <foormea> :)
[07:01] <foormea> i'm not sure how to fix this though
[07:01] <foormea> :|
[07:02] <kohlrak> foormea: Honestly wish i could remember. Lemme google, IIRC, a quick google always gives the answer.
[07:02] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, i'm just an old PC user but always used windows and DOS before that :) i really wonder why linux is so hostile towerds people who just need to get their stuff working
[07:02] <hechu> foormea, I don't know, but maybe "dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[07:03] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Actually, linux isn't hostile to people trying to get stuff working, just hostile to people who try to do things on their own.
[07:03] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, searched 2 weeks and experimented 5 days after that to make my surround sound work with custom alsa-base configs :) same thing for my satellite card
[07:04] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, well if it did detect my surround sound, and my DVB-S2 card, i wouldn't be ddoing any of this :)
[07:04] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: I'm actually an x86 assembly programmer, and i've seen some interesting things on linux. Mostly, the problem is hardware companies getting in the way, but occasionally someone ends up in the situation you're in.
[07:05] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, i hope that with the growing user base for Linux they will start releasing drivers for Linux also
[07:05] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: try modprobing your way to force the right driver if it's already installed (i bet there's a package for it somewhere)
[07:05] <Daijoubu> no idea why no one considers Linux yet ....
[07:05] <foormea> hechu, kohlrak: googling up but not finding conclusive solutions so far...
[07:06] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: IMO, Linux is getting more popular than mac, get mac has greater support. The problem is, everyoen thinks open is evil.
[07:06] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, the problem is everyone is greedy :)
[07:06] <kohlrak> sorry foormea, got destracted... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto#How%20to%20fix%20broken%20packages
[07:06] <Daijoubu> "buy more linux games and we will release more games for Linux"
[07:07] <foormea> thanks kohlrak i'll give it a look
[07:07] <foormea> thanks hechu for your input also :)
[07:07] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Eh, we need linux to be a little more stable before we're ready for it to become the gaming machine. The hardware must come first, because people like windows because the hardware always works (well, except with vista, which is why people still hate it)
[07:08] <foormea> thanks kohlrak but i'm under kde
[07:08] <kohlrak> foormea: i think hechu's code'll work.
[07:08] <hechu> foormea, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a", "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin". you are welcome.
[07:08] <foormea> kohlrak: it doesn't
[07:09] <hechu> ;-(
[07:09] <foormea> trying some stuff now will tell you guys if i manage to fix and if i do, how
[07:09] <kohlrak> foormea: what's the error?
[07:09] <foormea> :)
[07:09] <foormea> dpkg-reconfigure -a works fine but the error is still there when i try to dist-update my system or purge adobe-flashplugin
[07:09] <kohlrak> foormea: thanks, i'll have to remember the command you use too, as this happens alot.
[07:10] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, i always thought that Linux users are the real deal, yet it seams that they can't compete with M$, i thought that Linux users were the people behind writing windows and making things work for windows, yet Linux is always far behind the new tech
[07:10] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, for example have you seen a HD movie lately ? or used your Nvidia card to help rendering it ?
[07:11] <Daijoubu> i know that Linux is not for Multimedia people and so on, but at the end 80% of PC users use the PC for multimedia
[07:11] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Linux is actually often ahead in technology, but behind in hardware (because they get no help). Unfortunately, what linux is now was what M$ *WAS*
[07:11] <hechu> foormea, please refer to this URL, maybe help : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=446363
[07:12] <foormea> thanks
[07:12] <kohlrak> Diajoubu: well, they need the hardware before multi-media gets good. And the hardware support just isn't there, because no one wants us to have it.
[07:12] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, i guess so :/
[07:13] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: and if anyone says otherwise, tell them to do a highdef movie using vesa
[07:13] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: to play it i mean
[07:14] <foormea> hechu, kohlrak: trying a "sudo aptitude -f install" now, where a dist-upgrade would give me an error message it is now downloading packages. maybe that'll do the trick
[07:14] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, btw how are Linux devs paying their bills ?
[07:15] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: There's actually a few people out there helping linux. Like IBM, plus lots of donators, and some are willing to pay for official support from the distro makers.
[07:15] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Though, don't believe google when they say they're supporing open source. They're just doing it because they know which way the wind is blowing with the customers right now.
[07:15] <hechu> foormea, see the post No. 6, that guy clean apt-cache and then reinstalled package and the problem solved.
[07:15] <_akahige_> my x server log says reports "failed to load the nvidia kernel module" -- which is keeping the desktop from starting -- is there a way to fix that?
[07:16] <kohlrak> Daijoubu:even M$ does, which is why they wrote some drivers for linux actually.
[07:16] <foormea> hechu: i'll try if the aptitude -f install doesn't yield anything
[07:16] <hechu> foormea, good luck.
[07:16] <kohlrak> _akahige_: is that all it tells you?
[07:16] <foormea> downloading updates now, slow connection here :|
[07:17] <foormea> you guys running gnome or kde or xfce or other?
[07:17] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, do you think that Linux will need anti-virus and so on soft when it gets popular ?
[07:17] <foormea> just wondering what gnome and xfce are becoming like and lazy to try them out :) (i use kde)
[07:17] <_akahige_> kohlrak: there's more stuff in the log. do you want to know something in particular?
[07:17] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: ultimately yes, but not nearly as much as windows. Windows is hole city, AVs for linux will be low demand since there's not much viruses can do.
[07:18] <foormea> ohhhh also another problem that i've been experiencing. however i don't think it comes from ubuntu. with recent kernels (> 2.6.27 i think?), i have no desktop effects with kde (nvidia)
[07:18] <kohlrak> _akahige_: it'd help if you'd pastebin it, because what you're telling us is really, really vague
[07:18] <foormea> had the same problem with gentoo
[07:18] <_akahige_> kohlrak: np. give me a sec...
[07:18] <kohlrak> foormea: i've had a similar problem actually. My card lost it's 3d support.
[07:18] <foormea> however, i do have direct rendering
[07:19] <foormea> kohlrak: nvidia?
[07:19] <kohlrak> foormea: no, ati, but it was a proprietary driver i was using.
[07:19] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, well i hope things get moving with the hardware :/ it's so discouraging to wait with years for things to work :) but i'm sick and tired of windows and my HDD roaring with anti-virus soft every time i open something
[07:19] <kohlrak> foormea: seems all the nonfree drivers are getting kicked out or something.
[07:19] <foormea> uh
[07:20] <johntramp> where is the grub config on the live cd?
[07:20] <foormea> but there's no free fully working driver for nvidia yet... dunno about ati
[07:20] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: Well, you may have to consider some sacrifices.
[07:21] <kohlrak> foormea: nvidia used to release drivers, actually, but their support has been hell. ati's been getting better and is now releasing 2d support documentation (so joe shmoe is allowed to make drivers), but 3d is still out of the question.
[07:21] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, i guess so :) but i just love to hack and slash like in the old days haha :) i guess that's why i keep coming back to linux
[07:21] <foormea> so wait wait. all nvidia linux users out there, with recent kernels, no one has desktop effects?!
[07:22] <Daijoubu> kohlrak, anyway sorry for turning this into chit chat not really for this chan :)
[07:22] <kohlrak> Daijoubu: certianly. I'm waiting for the day when all the big AV companies FP over a major windows executable.
[07:22] <_akahige_> kohlrak: http://pastebin.org/47777
[07:23] <kohlrak> _akahige_: if you look, it says to check your kernel log for more details
[07:23] <_akahige_> kohlrak: is the kernel log "syslog"?
[07:24] <kohlrak> _akahige_: nope, kernlog
[07:24] <Daijoubu> haha
[07:24] <_akahige_> kohlrak: that would be why I didn't see anything useful, then. let me check...
[07:24] <foormea> ok kohlrak and hechu, sudo aptitude -f install downloaded updates but cannot install. trying other things
[07:26] <SnakDoc> anyone know why my boot screen shows a mouse ?
[07:26] <foormea> SnakDoc: cause of the cheese
[07:26] <foormea> sorry
[07:26] <foormea> :D
[07:26] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: which screen do you mean by bootscreen?
[07:27] <foormea> arghhhh :( cannot find the adobe-flashplugin deb on the repo :( :(
[07:28] <kohlrak> you're kidding me...
[07:28] <_akahige_> kohlrak: not quite sure what I'm looking for but the only thing that explicitly references the nvidia module says "module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" (can pastebin kernlog if that will help)
[07:28] <foormea> _akahige_: no problem with that
[07:29] <foormea> _akahige_: had that for years with nvidia
[07:30] <kohlrak> _akahige_: odd, it said more details would be there. Double check the timestamps. There might be soemthing going on at the same time that you could use as a referance (incase it doesn't explicitly mention the problem)
[07:30] <kohlrak> might say that a "module" didn't work for some reason
[07:30] <foormea> gosh :( i'm really clueless now
[07:30] <SnakDoc> foormea screen before gdm and after grub
[07:31] <SnakDoc>  kohlrak screen before gdm and after grub
[07:31] <foormea> SnakDoc: oh
[07:31] <foormea> must be because you have the mouse daemon for console?
[07:31] <SnakDoc> screen before gdm and after grub sorry read wrong name
[07:31] <foormea> don't remember what it's called though
[07:31] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: um... That IS weird....
[07:31] <foormea> SnakDoc: in console, can you move the mouse and copy/paste?
[07:32] <SnakDoc> kohlrak think its where i had xubuntu-desktop at on point that created error
[07:32] <SnakDoc> foormea i use ctrl shift c and ctrl shift v
[07:33] <foormea> SnakDoc: no, in console with mouse (*not* xterm or other graphic console), you select to copy and middle-click to paste
[07:33] <foormea> can you do that in a real text console?
[07:34] <SnakDoc> foormea cool never used it
[07:34] <kohlrak> foormea: if it's a real text console the mouse can't show up because the video card would be in text-only mode (and therefore can't show graphics)
[07:34] <foormea> kohlrak: yes it can
[07:34] <foormea> the cursor under linux is just a colored box
[07:34] <hechu> foormea, can you try these command again and see what happend. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a", "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin"
[07:34] <foormea> under freebsd it's even a real-looking cursor
[07:34] <_akahige_> kohlrak: cross checking the timestamps from when syslog reported "maximum number of X display failures reached" with kernlog, I see a bunch of audit reports for nptd, evince, and cups stuff
[07:34] <foormea> hechu: downloading the deb now
[07:35] <foormea> hechu: i'll try reinstalling the deb
[07:35] <kohlrak> foormea: ah, colored box then, but if you see a mouse it *MUST* be in some non-text graphical mode.
[07:35] <hechu> foormea, yeah.
[07:35] <foormea> kohlrak: try out freebsd and see
[07:35] <foormea> :)
[07:35] <SnakDoc> foormea you getting error when updating ? about flash
[07:35] <hechu> is that 'mouse' means xfce's logo ?
[07:35] <kohlrak> foormea: I actually program in text mode (in the process of making my own kernel) so i know it's quite impossible.
[07:35] <SnakDoc> hechu i think so
[07:36] <foormea> kohlrak: ok :)
[07:36] <kohlrak> _akahige_: looks to me like bad drivers....
[07:37] <_akahige_> kohlrak: is that something I can fix?
[07:37] <foormea> hechu: the .deb won't install. i'll do the sequence again and pastebin
[07:37] <kohlrak> foormea: real text mode is actually really simple, it is an array of  a 2byte data type where the first byte is a color descriptor and the second byte is the letter itself.
[07:38] <kohlrak> _akahige_: not easily, unless you know the name of the package of your video card's driver.
[07:38] <foormea> hechu: !!!!!!!! IT WORKED
[07:38] <_akahige_> kohlrak: I think so. I'm getting it from a ppa
[07:38] <foormea> hechu: no idea why it worked just now when it didn't 10mn ago
[07:38] <SnakDoc> foormea https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/371890 read this post Ryan wrote on 2009-07-28: think thats what you having trouble with
[07:39] <foormea> yeah
[07:39] <foormea> i also confirmed this bug
[07:39] <SnakDoc> well read thing from ryan its fixes it
[07:39] <foormea> oh yeah.. i'm so stupid
[07:39] <SnakDoc> found it earlier today
[07:39] <SnakDoc> had same trouble
[07:40] <lucent> ouch
[07:40] <foormea> oh :)
[07:40] <kohlrak> _akahige_: well, the idea is to remove the driver and all configuration for it (anything that can go wrong with it basically) and reinstall it.
[07:40] <_akahige_> kohlrak: if it's a kernel module, how can I do that without running the kernel that's causing me problems?
[07:41] <kohlrak> _akahige_ text mode =p
[07:41] <hechu> foormea, haha, congratulations. I don't know why, but I guess maybe the DEB file you downloaded before was incorrect.
[07:41] <foormea> ok another question that i have is, how can i "disconnect" and "reconnect" my usb touchpad?
[07:41] <kohlrak> _akahige_ ever use the the terminal?
[07:41] <foormea> need to do so to make hal reload the configuration files...
[07:41] <foormea> ok thanks SnakDoc kohlrak and hechu for your help :) :)
[07:41] <SnakDoc> hechu i had same trouble with flash
[07:42] <kohlrak> foormea: know the kernel module name?
[07:42] <foormea> well
[07:42] <foormea> usb is ehci right? not listed in lsmod... means is built-in kernel
[07:42] <foormea> i suppose
[07:42] <_akahige_> kohlrak: sure. I've used terms. (but this level of troubleshooting is beyond my experience)
[07:42] <kohlrak> foormea: if you do, rmmod and modprobe it back
[07:42] <foormea> so... cannot unload module and reload...
[07:42] <hechu> I am using "9.10 beta", it has a function to umount USB storage and CDs.
[07:43] <kohlrak> _akahige_: always a good time to learn. Never be afraid of the terminal just because it's mostly fancy symbols you don't understand. XD
[07:43] <foormea> unmounting and 'disconnecting' is different :)
[07:43] <hechu> but for other USB device such as camera, I don't know how to control to connect and disconnect it in software.
[07:43] <foormea> yeah..
[07:43] <_akahige_> kohlrak: not afraid of terminals, just don't know what I need to do....  :)
[07:43] <foormea> hal will reload apparently only upon disconnectiong/reconnection of device
[07:44] <foormea> not very convenient for touchpad eh
[07:44] <foormea> :D
[07:44] <kohlrak> _akahige_: well, really you just "sudo apt-get purge [name of package you think needs fixed here]" then "sudo apt-get install [name of that package again]"
[07:45] <kohlrak> _akahige_: in theory that'll delete all the config crap too, but that's not always the case, but it's worth a shot.
[07:45] <_akahige_> kohlrak: sounds reasonable. my question is this: wouldn't that apply to the RUNNING kernel?
[07:45] <foormea> kohlrak: system-wide config crap :) not user :)
[07:46] <kohlrak> _akahige_: yulp, it would be doing that to the kernel that's running at the time. Simply reboot (or do the modprobe crap) to make the changes take effect (preferably reboot because it's easier).
[07:47] <kohlrak> foormea: aah, well in his case that should be the case.
[07:48] <_akahige_> kohlrak: problem is that when that kernel has issues with the video driver, it cascades into the shell -- flashing the display and making it unusable since it trashes the keyboard (which means that I can't login)
[07:48] <foormea> ok guys thanks a lot
[07:48] <foormea> have a good day!
[07:48] <kohlrak> _akahige_: try recovery console? =p
[07:48] <_akahige_> kohlrak: that's the one thing I didn't try...
[07:49] <kohlrak> _akahige_: yea, it's essentually a regular terminal before loading all the fancy drivers. you'll want to drop down to the console instead of using the recovery options though.
[07:49] <SnakDoc> is karmix web cam support suppose to be better ? far as i can tell mines still not working
[07:49] <shadeslayer> SnakDoc: did you try Cheese!
[07:49] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: Usually webcam support depends on the manufactuer.
[07:49] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer  yes
[07:50] <shadeslayer> !webcam | SnakDoc : this too
[07:50] <SnakDoc> kohlrak its from sony
[07:50] <_akahige_> kohlrak: gotcha. I need to do some digging to find the right package and download it local, but this gives me something to go on. thanks for all your help
[07:50] <SnakDoc> ubottu read thanks
[07:50] <shadeslayer> SnakDoc: its a bot
[07:51] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer lol yea its late anyway i read that
[07:51] <kohlrak> _akahige_: the idea is, you want to purge the package already on your system so that it deletes the broken driver and/or config.then worry about installing the right one.
[07:51] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer problem was i couldn't find link to one i believe i needed
[07:51] <_akahige_> kohlrak: got it
[07:52] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: usually it's best to read the supported cameras (or any hardware for that matter) because many hardware manufactuers neglect linux support.
[07:52] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: and if they don't support linux, usually it's illegal to make that camera work for linux. =p
[07:52] <shadeslayer> SnakDoc: then its probably not supported :(
[07:53] <SnakDoc> VGP-VCC2 says its supported by r5u870  just couldn't find that driver
[07:53] <kohlrak> SnakDoc: check sony's site if they have drivers. If they do, then you just need to find the .deb for it. If they don't have linux drivers, you can be sure your camera doesn't work with linux.
[07:55] <SnakDoc> ok thanks
[07:57] <shadeslayer> SnakDoc: even if they have a tarball,its possible to make it work
[07:57] <shadeslayer> although itll take some time :P
[07:58] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer i don't mind compiling driver just want to find them
[07:58]  * shadeslayer wonders why is the RC freezing up so much
[07:58] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer my copy been running really good
[07:59] <kohlrak> RC?
[07:59] <shadeslayer> its more of a flash issue
[07:59] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: Release Candidate
[07:59] <shadeslayer> it hangs up while running flash
[08:01] <kohlrak> Flash has always been a pain in the rear end.
[08:01] <shadeslayer> SnakDoc: then there are these horrible memory leaks,idk how but after 3 hours or so i have like 400MB of RAM free :(
[08:02] <kohlrak> Sounds like flash alright...
[08:02] <kohlrak> i asume you're using the adobe version?
[08:02] <SnakDoc> shadeslayer banshee only thing i have do that to me
[08:02] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: the one in the repo
[08:02] <SnakDoc> hilight_color = %R
[08:02] <kohlrak> shadeslayer: there's more than one...
[08:03] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: the maximum consumtion is by plasma
[08:03] <SnakDoc> for got / sry
[08:03] <kohlrak> shadeslayer: plasma? =p
[08:04] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: KDE
[08:04] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: plasma is the thing in which every widget etc floats
[08:04] <shadeslayer> its resposible for the entire desktop gui
[08:04] <kohlrak> heh, then i bet flash isn't closing itself properly =p
[08:05] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: hmm... its a possibility
[08:05] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: whats the name of the process that runs flash
[08:06] <kohlrak> honestly, flash has always been a problem, even on windows. When adobe took over, they stopped caring. Windows users don't notice the problem though because windows has enough problems it's not big enough to notice.
[08:06] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[08:06] <kohlrak> shadeslayer: flash should be a shared object. Flash should be run within firefox or whatever you use for a browser.
[08:07] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: yeah it does,so itll just add to the memory of konqueror or something?
[08:07] <shadeslayer> s/does/is
[08:08] <kohlrak> shadeslayer: maybe, maybe not. Technically it does, but often looking at memory taken up by any specific app in that viewer thing is going to be misleading.
[08:08] <kohlrak> The only thing that's really good for is if you see a specific app's number constantly growing, in which case killing it is usually a good thing because either that app or something within that app is growing.
[08:09] <shadeslayer> hehe... im getting updates in waves,121 MB day before yesterday,70 MB's yesterday,and 32 MB's today
[08:09] <kohlrak> heh
[08:09] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: i usually kill plasma after 2 hours and restart it,reduces consumption by about 50 MB's
[08:10] <kohlrak> eh, that's not even worth doing then
[08:10] <kohlrak> you gotta find the culprit
[08:10] <kohlrak> and it's usually flash
[08:10] <shadeslayer> kohlrak: what im surprised by is that,i cant see my swap being used even once
[08:11] <shadeslayer> free -m reports swap used == 0 at all times
[08:11] <kohlrak> usually just closing your browser fixes the problem (flash likes to lockup my sound card too so if i'm on a flash using page with a video paused and forget about it, i won't get IM sounds)
[08:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[08:12] <fool__> verytime you use flash god kills a kitten
[08:13] <kohlrak> God doesn't need to kill a kitten to punish us...
[08:13] <bazhang> fool__, ??
[08:13] <fool__> lol
[08:14] <fool__> i just hate buggy flash
[08:14] <shadeslayer> fool__: any replacements?
[08:14] <kohlrak> shadeslayer: silverlight ;)
[08:14] <shadeslayer> lol
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> java :)
[08:16] <kohlrak> java's not much better....
[08:16] <fool__> html5
[08:16] <kohlrak> i would't be too surprised if java used flash as a library for internet videos XD
[08:16] <lucent> what really irritatese me is the RTMPT protocol
[08:17] <kohlrak> RTMPT?
[08:17] <lucent> irritates* even.   I throughouly made an effort to reverse engineer it and all I got was a lousy question about why and how it checksums data with single byte packets
[08:18] <lucent> kohlrak: RTMP but it is RTMPT for clarity because there was already an RTMP
[08:18] <kohlrak> ROFL
[08:18] <lucent> uhh
[08:18] <lucent> anyhow it's an RPC realtime streaming prot for flash
[08:18] <lucent> newer streaming videos are done using flash rtmp players
[08:18] <kohlrak> well there's your problem
[08:19] <lucent> not saying there was something better
[08:19] <lucent> but I ......
[08:19] <lucent> what the hell my door just opened itself
[08:19] <lucent> handle turning and everything
[08:19] <lucent> brb
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> Ghosts...
[08:20] <shadeslayer> lucent: or burgulars
[08:20] <shadeslayer> \o/
[08:20] <wgrant> It's a new Karmic feature.
[08:20] <lucent> wgrant: I hope not
[08:20] <shadeslayer> wgrant: haha
[08:21] <kohlrak> lucent: that's nothing, my lappy turned itself off at 50% battery power... XD
[08:21] <lucent> must not have latched properly
[08:21] <lucent> ohhh
[08:21] <lucent> kohlrak: warm or cold off?
[08:22] <kohlrak> lucent: it's as if i went to shut down...
[08:22] <kohlrak> not like complete death of power
[08:22] <kohlrak> it just... shut down normally
[08:22] <kohlrak> as if i told it to
[08:22] <C-S-B_> anyone having trouble with karmic detecting the ac power supply being removed on the acer aspire one?
[08:22]  * lucent shakes head
[08:23] <kohlrak> C-S-B_: i had that kind of trouble with jaunty sometimes with my dell vostro
[08:23] <lucent> the changeover from hal to devicekit was a bringer of many a strange thing
[08:23] <kohlrak> lucent: oh really? I didn't read that change... no wonder i'm having these weird problems....
[08:24] <kohlrak> lucent: still, the hardware problems i already have are still there. XD
[08:24] <lucent> kohlrak: yeah it is a very big deal
[08:24] <kohlrak> lucent: we just added more, as usual....
[08:24] <kohlrak> why is it that every time ubuntu updates, things go bad and never get fixed?
[08:24] <lucent> things go forward if you ask me
[08:25] <lucent> I never expect an Ubuntu box to be "stable" as in Debian stable
[08:25] <lucent> just usable
[08:25] <wgrant> kohlrak: Because you don't file bugs.
[08:25] <lucent> right now I'm on a laptop that sold with Ubuntu installed from Dell computers, the 1420n model, and just with the Karmic release all hardware works
[08:25] <kohlrak> lucent: well, i've only noticed two improvments since my update, and the weird turning off thing, unusual removing of anthy (when i didn't tell it to remove anthy when i did the upgrade), etc.
[08:25] <lucent> it's been 2 years at least
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> bug: People are not fileing bugs.. we should give them a cookie when they file a proper bug.. :)
[08:26] <fool__> has intel video got any better with karmic ?
[08:26] <kohlrak> wgrant: i'd love to, but most of the problems i have never seem to have a way to adequately get any sort of debug output or terminal output.
[08:26] <wgrant> fool__: Muuuuch.
[08:26] <wgrant> kohlrak: File a bug, and people will help you debug.
[08:26] <equijunkie> Question: I recently installed 9.10 and tried to burn a CD today and I can't get the CD-R to mount.  Any ideas why?
[08:26] <wgrant> kohlrak: File bugs, or you cannot complain.
[08:26] <fool__> wgrant: still running 8.10 b/c of that issue
[08:26] <lucent> equijunkie: bad CD?  how to debug this, hmm
[08:26] <fool__> :/
[08:27]  * fool__ so waiting for release
[08:27] <lucent> equijunkie: how did you write your CD-R?
[08:27] <what> so... anyone got ssh working?
[08:27] <equijunkie> Lucent: Using Bracero
[08:28] <lucent> equijunkie: what are you writing to CD? Individual files? an ISO image?
[08:28] <kohlrak> wgrant: ok... Tell me, my lappy shuts off at 50% power as soon as i plug my power coord in. none ofthe logs show any record of a shutdown except the weird unknown keycode messages suddenly stopping for a minute or two. How the heck do i report that?
[08:28] <kohlrak> what: was it ever broken?
[08:29] <wgrant> kohlrak: 'shuts off' meaning what? It immediately powers off uncleanly? It shuts down cleanly? It turns off immediately once you plug it in?
[08:29] <equijunkie> Lucent: thread from the assistance I was given in #ubuntu-beginner is http://paste.ubuntu.com/300307/
[08:29] <what> kohlrak: quite
[08:29] <kohlrak> wgrant: shuts down cleanly as soon as i plug it in.
[08:29] <what> Though I should say ssh server side is busteded
[08:29] <wgrant> kohlrak: What if you log out and shut down gdm?
[08:30] <equijunkie> Lucent: they sent me here since it doesn't appear in the traffic
[08:30] <wgrant> Does it still happen then?
[08:30] <wgrant> what: WFM, and most of the rest of the world. What is broken?
[08:30] <equijunkie> Lucent: ISO
[08:30] <kohlrak> wgrant: it only happened once so far, am unable to reproduce it...
[08:30] <lucent> equijunkie: I'm confused, but we can figure this out
[08:30] <jamieleshaw> Hello, what's going on with karmic menu icons?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> jamieleshaw:  clarify?
[08:31] <wgrant> jamieleshaw: It is a deliberate GNOME design decision to turn them off in most cases.
[08:31] <wgrant> jamieleshaw: You can switch them back in Appearance Preferences, on the Interface tab.
[08:31] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, Are they going to disable them properly?
[08:31] <what> well wgrant
[08:31] <what> i can telnet to the port and get the bit thats the header for ssh, but it will never connect
[08:31] <what> not even to itself - no firewall rules
[08:32] <wgrant> Run ssh with -v, and see what it does.
[08:32] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, it looks a bit out of place having them partially enabled in particular menus
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> jamieleshaw:  i tend to turn them off anyway. :) no idea what they will do in the future.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> I dont see them turned off here by default..
[08:33] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, well, they are in a the beta
[08:33] <what> well ffs.
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Err.. we are in RC now.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> the RC should in theoiry be identical to the final release
[08:34] <wgrant> jamieleshaw: The new policy is to have icons only for items that represent objects.
[08:34] <lucent> equijunkie: what ISO are you attempting to write? Do you know the md5sum for it? please verify the data
[08:34] <wgrant> eg. bookmarks, disks, applications.
[08:34] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, are okay so there enabled again
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> they are here.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> depending on what icons you are refering to.
[08:34] <wgrant> They remain disabled by default.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> I have a applications menu full of icons
[08:35] <wgrant> Dr_Willis: Right, those are always there. but check the System menu.
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> it may be my settings are set that way and NEW users may have them off by default
[08:35] <HendriXXX> why xchat and amsn dont go to tray on system startup. my system is karmic.
[08:35] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, ahh okay
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> wgrant:  yes those are gone. I dont recall them being there.. then again.,. i often turn off ALL icons in th emenus.. when i rember where that settings at
[08:35] <what> ok i'm happy to report after the last round of purges and reinstalls sshd is now operating optimally
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> 'Places' has a few entries with No Icons also
[08:35] <wgrant> Dr_Willis: They were there until Karmic.
[08:36] <what> ok how about 64bit flash?
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> wave bye to them i gues
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> what:  ive heard of people useing it.. but ive not tried it
[08:37] <what> Dr_Willis: yeah - its hit and miss - its still not understanding some scriptystuff
[08:37] <jamieleshaw> I'm using 64bit flash now
[08:37] <what> huludesktop works ok, but cannot hit any control in flash just about anywhere else if its a flv
[08:37] <what> however flash player controls + mp4 seem ok
[08:38] <what> mm brb
[08:38] <alyssum> I am trying to set up LDAP in Karmic.  Docs are out of date (filed bug against them already).  Started Ubuntu forum post but no response.  Anyone here running LDAP on Karmic??
[08:39] <CoUrPsE> I'm still on Jaunty, whats the success like with Karmic?
[08:39] <lucent> CoUrPsE: the guts are very different
[08:40] <CoUrPsE> If aunty is running
[08:40] <CoUrPsE> If Jaunty is running is running fine for me, should i update?
[08:40] <lucent> depending on what hardware you run, means you may not notice any changes, or it could be broken
[08:40] <BlouBlou> if I update to ubuntu 9.10 beta, will ubuntu update to final version automatically or should I use any command? or reinstall?
[08:40] <CoUrPsE> Or not worth it?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  yes. it SHOULD update to final. thats one of the main POINTS of the whole package manager system
[08:41] <lucent> CoUrPsE: depends on what you want, nothing like "makes you wealthy" has been implemented
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  i always do a clean reinstall about 2 weeks after release. becsuse ive been beta testing all this stuff and install tons fo things i dont need just to Test them :)
[08:41] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: and it should update to final with normal updates or with another "total distro" update?
[08:41] <CoUrPsE> Shame that, lol, Does it generally make the system more secure? any extra benefits from it?
[08:41] <equijunkie> Lucent: I am burning the 9.10 disc to install on another computer.  MD5 hashes out
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  never noticeds which way it does it.   If its beta/rc i think normal updates do it
[08:42] <wgrant> BlouBlou: Normal updates.
[08:42] <BlouBlou> another question: and will it update automatically to ext4?
[08:43] <wgrant> No.
[08:43] <wgrant> That would be a very evil thing to do.
[08:43] <wgrant> You could manually alter your /etc/fstab.
[08:44] <BlouBlou> The new "ext4" filesystem is used by default for new installations with Ubuntu 9.10 RC  << so in beta it doesn't uses ext4, right?
[08:44] <jamieleshaw> BlouBlou, To get the full benifits of ext4 your partition would need to be re-formatted
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> it does NOT force you to update to ext4
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> if doing a clean install it will default to ext4
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> it does NOT force you to chang4e ext3 existing filesystems to ext4
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> beta install defaults to ext4 also
[08:45] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: and if I wanna update, will it be possible without losing data?
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> its not worth the effort to update ext3 to ext4 from wha ti hear
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> you dont gain the full beinfits
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> If you want ext4. backup, reformat to ext4 restore
[08:45] <BlouBlou> ok
[08:45] <BlouBlou> I'll do it
[08:46] <BlouBlou> but first I prefer ask few things
[08:46] <lucent> I have been less than ecstatic about my experiences with ext4
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> 9.10 Neat trick # 182 - You can set up Grub2 on a flash drive to boot the ubuntu.iso file from the flash drive. :) No need to use Unetbootin, or usb-creator-tool.
[08:46] <BlouBlou> I have got in firestarter too ports open, how can I save them and copyit to new version?
[08:46] <lucent> Dr_Willis: whoa.
[08:46] <BlouBlou> them*
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  :) now if more disrtos would make theirselfs compatiable with that feature.. it would be nicer
[08:46] <jamieleshaw> Or a floppy
[08:47] <lucent> Dr_Willis: how the hell does that work?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  if thg disrto is set up properly to read the right options the disrto can look for/mount the iso file.
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> so far Ubuntu, and TInyCoreLinux work for me with that trick
[08:47] <lucent> ah
[08:47] <lucent> linux booting linux
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> thats the whole thing.. you MUST have a disrto set up to do the feature.
[08:47] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: I have got WiFi
[08:48] <jamieleshaw> or GRUB booting A-OS
[08:48] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: it's necesary firestarter?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  I rarely mess with firewalls . my router handles it all.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> and i dont run services i dont need.. :)
[08:49] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: yes, my wifi has got firestarter, but just for block ICMP with firestarter
[08:49] <BlouBlou> firestarter no, firewall
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> Err.. firestarter is a gui to the firewall features of the kernel I thought
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> !firewall
[08:49] <BlouBlou> yes, ufw seems cool, but how can I block ICMP with it?
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> so they all set up some iptables rules I belive.
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> I dont use them.. so id have to read their docs.. :)
[08:50] <jamieleshaw> Firestarter is just a frontend to iptables
[08:50] <BlouBlou> cool
[08:50] <CountDeMonet> has anyone encountered an issue where the install cd boots but pressing enter on any option won't do anything?
[08:50] <BlouBlou> today I'll have nice day (installing programms and programms) xD
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> so check for how to block icmp with iptables and see the commands needed is one way
[08:50] <wgrant> CountDeMonet: Give it up to a minute to load the kernel.;
[08:50] <xiambax> hello
[08:50] <xiambax> I need a little assistance fixing my grub
[08:51] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: okay, thanks a lot, I'll download it :)
[08:51] <xiambax> its stating invalid block enviroment
[08:51] <lucent> CountDeMonet: bad RAM, bad CD, or bad CD drive.
[08:51] <CountDeMonet> wgrant: i figured as much. my impatience comes from the fact that i can still move the selected line up and down
[08:51] <wgrant> It used to bring up a horrifyingly ugly progress bar.
[08:51] <wgrant> But that finished a couple of weeks ago.
[08:51] <wgrant> Er.
[08:51] <guntbert> CountDeMonet: did you !md5 check the image?
[08:51] <wgrant> s/weeks/releases/
[08:51] <CountDeMonet> lucent: tried 2 different computers with the same outcome. ill do a md5 and see if its the cd.image
[08:52] <lucent> CountDeMonet: could be wrong for your CPU
[08:52] <CountDeMonet> lucent: nope, both are x86
[08:52] <lucent> bit errors are way more common than you think, I assure you
[08:52] <lucent> even the correct image on a crappy CD-R can result in bit errors
[08:53] <CountDeMonet> of course, that's why im checking
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> one reason i use more and more flash-drives for my install media
[08:53] <CountDeMonet> ill do a slow burn this time if it turns out to be the problem
[08:53] <lucent> ah yeah
[08:53] <lucent> Dr_Willis: what's the procedure to bootstrap from an .iso file anyhow?
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  install grub2 to the flash drive.. make a proper grub.cfg for it.   put isos in place the grub.cfg is pointing to.. reboot
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> buggest issue i had was getting grub2 to install OVER a flash drive i had syslinux on allready.
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> i had to dd to 'zero' the drive to totally reformat it.. THEN installed grub2
[08:55] <lucent> oh
[08:55] <lucent> whyfore?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> some how syslinux on it befor and grub2 was confluicting
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> and you can install grub2 to vfat flash drives
[08:55] <CountDeMonet> lucent: I actually have that done on my current main hdd. I have grub have 2 options, boot into windows (current os) and boot an iso of 9.04
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> or ext2/3/4 if you wanted
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> i made one of each :)
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> CountDeMonet:  i did that also. :) put  a reinstall option in my grub menus.. havent tried it yet.
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> and a TinyCoreLinux entry for kicks.
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> so i got 'normal ubuntu '  ubuntu ISO, and tinycorelinux
[08:56] <lucent> Dr_Willis: oh okay I wasn't aware of an ISO module for grub2
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  its a new feature that people have not noticed :)
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> it will be a BIG feature I imagine
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> i got bookmarks for the info at the del.ici.ous.com  web site under dr_willis
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[08:58] <xiambax> can someone please help me repair grub?
[08:58] <chris|> hm, is it possible to have more that one notification bubble at a time?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> is a script to automate it., (but its a little old)
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> check the urls at the bottom of the script for more info
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> chris|:  supposed to be possible. but there was some  bugs with the notification bubbles a few weeks ago. No idea how they are now
[08:59] <wgrant> chris|: Not any more, it seems :(
[08:59] <Jordan_U_> !details | xiambax
[08:59] <chris|> damn
[09:00] <xiambax> My grub boot is prompting invalid block enviroment
[09:00] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: thx for the delicious hint - may I correct the link you gave? http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[09:00] <xiambax> i can boot into windows 7 and stuff just not linux
[09:00] <xiambax> this happened after i installed my video drivers
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> guntbert:  works 4 me,. :)
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> i never can ermber how its spelt.
[09:00] <CountDeMonet> brilliant, the cd is terrible. I'm going to burn a clean one at a slow speed and if all goes well I'll go into the channel from the livecd and give someone an invite to google voice
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> xiambax:  so the grub menu IS working.. but ubuntu is crashing at some time?
[09:00] <CountDeMonet> for the hell of it
[09:01] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: Please give details, what happens when you try to boot linux?
[09:01] <xiambax> no right after grub loads
[09:01] <xiambax> i press enter on ubuntu
[09:01] <xiambax> then it takes me straight to bad block enviroment screen
[09:02] <xiambax> currently im booted to live disk with command prompt open
[09:02] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: the critical point in your link was *no .com* at the edn:)
[09:02] <guntbert> *end
[09:03] <foormea> yay desktop effects are finally back on kernel 2.6.31-14 on my box with nvidia
[09:03] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: The bug about failing to boot when grubenv is unreadable was fixed recently, try chrooting in and upgrading or press 'e' at the grub menu and remove the save_env line then press ctrl+x to boot
[09:03] <foormea> wow ibus for chinese input seems weird
[09:04] <foormea> hopefully it won't give as much trouble as scim
[09:04] <foormea> uh is ibus a fork of scim??
[09:04] <xiambax> will give it a shot now. thanks for the help. i will keep you update
[09:04] <wgrant> It is an entirely new thing.
[09:04] <foormea> wgrant: ibus?
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Right.
[09:05] <foormea> ^e GRRRRRRRR
[09:05] <foormea> dead keys are still broken
[09:05] <foormea> gosh
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Have you turned them on?
[09:05] <xiambax> Jordan, So just remove the save_env_recordfail?
[09:05] <foormea> mh, how? :D
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Try System->Preferences->Keyboard
[09:05] <foormea> let me see
[09:06] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: remove the line save_env recordfail; Press TAB; Press Ctrl+X to boot
[09:06] <foormea> gosh if it works then 9.10 would be the FIRST fully functional ubuntu release for multi lingual users
[09:06] <xiambax> Yeah that totally did the trick
[09:07] <xiambax> well thats solved half my problem
[09:07] <xiambax> now i need help fixing my video issues
[09:07] <xiambax> lol
[09:08] <CountDeMonet> what video issues?
[09:08] <foormea> wgrant: with kde i have a few options in regional settings. i'll give it a try
[09:08] <foormea> wgrant: thanks for the tip
[09:08] <xiambax> i installed my ati r4250 msi video driver
[09:08] <xiambax> now x wont load
[09:08] <xiambax> and i cant get to terminal with command alt 1
[09:08] <wgrant> xiambax: How did you install it?
[09:09] <foormea> wgrant: you use some CJK + need dead keys as well?
[09:09] <lucent> xiambax: ctrl+alt+1 ?
[09:10] <lucent> xiambax: my keyboard is for bollocks...  ctrl+alt+f1?
[09:10] <xiambax> ill will see if that was my bad
[09:10] <xiambax> lol
[09:10] <xiambax> nope neither work
[09:11] <xiambax> just a black screen
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> hmmm.. wheres this record fail line at? I got one  box thats always saying grub  booting into rescue mode., Even tho it boots fine.
[09:11] <lucent> xiambax: I don't know, contact ATI
[09:11] <xiambax> is there anyway i can safe boot and remove the ati driver?
[09:12] <InitHello> ok, so I'm trying to debug an issue with karmic and a wireless card allegedly using the atheros Atheros AR2414 chipset. It'll associate with the AP, and ifconfig shows ... an ipv6 address, but no ipv4 address. Any thoughts on what I should look at?
[09:12] <lucent> InitHello: the router?
[09:13] <InitHello> lucent: well, wireless worked fine before the upgrade to karmic. It's a netgear wgr614v9, if that makes any difference
[09:13] <wgrant> foormea: I do not.
[09:13] <lucent> InitHello: which driver
[09:13] <wgrant> xiambax: How did you install it?
[09:13] <BlouBlou> it's ubuntu 9.10 RC avaiable in torrent?
[09:14] <xiambax> yeah i installed the driver
[09:14] <xiambax> and rebooted
[09:14] <xiambax> now this
[09:14] <wgrant> BlouBlou: Of course. http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[09:14] <wgrant> xiambax: *How* did you install it?
[09:14] <InitHello> lucent: looks like ath5k
[09:14] <BlouBlou> wgrant: hehe, thanks ;)
[09:14] <xiambax> i downloaded it from ati
[09:15] <xiambax> and ran the script
[09:15] <wgrant> xiambax: Ah... that's not the way to do it.
[09:15]  * lucent facepalms
[09:15] <xiambax> so how can i fix this :D
[09:15] <wgrant> xiambax: You should have used System->Administration->Hardware Drivers. I don't know how to undo what you just did.
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> thats proberly the worse way to do it. :)
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> !ati
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> that url MIGHT have some uninstall docs.
[09:15] <InitHello> lucent: I take it I've done something monumentally ... ill-advised?
[09:16] <mauri> my partition manager is not able to see correclty 1Tb usb hd
[09:16] <lucent> InitHello: I just read what xiambax said is all
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> Therea a reason the ubunutuy people made the hardware-driver tool :)
[09:16] <InitHello> lucent: ah. That prompted a headdesk from me. No offense towards xiambax is intended.
[09:16] <mauri> I need u gui utility to synch 2 folders
[09:16]  * lucent grins
[09:16] <lucent> InitHello: privmsg, let's battle
[09:16] <InitHello> lucent: hit me
[09:16] <wgrant> lucent: Headdesk battle?
[09:17] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: cd /usr/share/ati ; sudo ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[09:17] <xiambax> is there a way i can safe boot this then
[09:17] <xiambax> or boot to install disk?
[09:18] <wgrant> xiambax: Hold down shift during the BIOS until the boot menu appears, and select recovery mode.
[09:19] <ltspadmin> what is iBus Preferences
[09:21] <lucent> ltspadmin: it's a transporter beam network (TBN) configurator
[09:21] <lucent> instant travel between Ubuntu cloud pods
[09:21] <lucent> pretty cutting edge feature
[09:21] <xiambax> because my grub is all messed up that shift thing wont work
[09:21] <wgrant> ltspadmin: iBus is replacing SCIM as the preferred input method (eg. for CJK)
[09:21] <wgrant> xiambax: Why not?
[09:21] <xiambax> and i cant fix grub if i cant boot in
[09:22] <xiambax> "<Jordan_U_> xiambax: The bug about failing to boot when grubenv is unreadable was fixed recently, try chrooting in and upgrading or press 'e' at the grub menu and remove the save_env line then press ctrl+x to boot"
[09:22] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: haven't you been using a live cd to edit the system?
[09:22] <xiambax> so hold down shift to boot the live disk?
[09:22] <ltspadmin> where can i use it..??
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> Im having problems witht he failsafe
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> X that is
[09:23] <xiambax> ok so now that we have that clearified
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> it starts without any good reason on most cold boots
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> is it a known issue?
[09:24] <wgrant> Alexia_Death: There is probably a good reason.
[09:24] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: Terre is not. On some cold boots it works and restarting KDM aleays works
[09:25] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: and there are no (EE) lines in any of the logs
[09:25] <Alexia_Death> There were some that were not fatal but I got rid of them
[09:27] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: I have a distupgraded system from jaunty(that once up on a time was installed as edgy).
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> i think grub2 is going to have a LOT of neat features.. that no one is going to know about for a long time.. heh
[09:30] <Alexia_Death> X does not even seem to try to load when the failsafe pops up. I have nvidia closed driver with splash on and I dont even see that.
[09:30] <Jordan_U_> Dr_Willis: LUA scripting is pretty amazing
[09:30] <xiambax> ok this should be my last stupid question
[09:30] <xiambax> how do i chroot
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking that was disabled  by default.. Ive seen mention of it.. but no real docs yet.
[09:31] <Alexia_Death> xiambax: say chroot /path
[09:31] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: First you need to mount your Ubuntu partition
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> I think the last i saw LUA used was for the front ends/guis to some of these MMORPGS :) if i rember right
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> chroot /mountpoint/of/installed/system
[09:32] <CountDeMonet> ok. going to try to boot from the live cd
[09:32] <Jordan_U_> Dr_Willis: In the Debian/Ubuntu package yes. As for documentation, it's severely lacking at the moment( I had to read the source to find what functions are available )
[09:32] <lucent> fiber to the house?
[09:33] <lucent> I am one jealous-ass panda
[09:33] <InitHello> I had that once, then I moved back to the US
[09:33] <xiambax> chri got a bunch of permission denied cannot create dev/null
[09:33] <jamieleshaw> did someone mention warp speed internet?
[09:33] <InitHello> 10/10 fiber, it was sexy
[09:33] <lucent> xiambax: a few rules of chroot'ing, you need to be root rights, you need to have proc and dev and sys obind mounted
[09:34] <lucent> InitHello: hawt.
[09:34] <Alexia_Death> xiambax: try to find some instructions on chroot enviromnets for mounting dev &proc to your  env
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> i always check the gentoo docs for how they chroot :)
[09:34] <InitHello> lucent: aye, it was. But living in the country I grew up in was more hawter
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> I had a script at one time to do it.. but i forget now. havent needed it in ages
[09:35] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: Where is your Ubuntu partition mountain?
[09:35]  * lucent points to the mountain
[09:35] <xiambax>  media/_
[09:35] <Jordan_U_> s/mountain/mounted/
[09:35] <xiambax> i have it mounted now
[09:35] <xiambax> and chrooted
[09:36] <lucent> Mt. Spellcheckfail
[09:36] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: What is the exact path?
[09:36] <xiambax> ... /media/_
[09:36] <xiambax> currently i am in /etc/share/ati
[09:37] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: An underscore? I've never seen that for a mountpoint before. run "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /media/_/dev && sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /media/_/proc"
[09:38] <TTilus> installed karmic, reboot after install and after "GRUB loading, please wait..." nothing happens
[09:38] <TTilus> what next
[09:38] <TTilus> already checked grub conf using rescue mode
[09:38] <TTilus> nothing wrong afaik
[09:40] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Did you install from the beta or the RC?
[09:41] <xiambax> ok that worked
[09:41] <xiambax> it booted in
[09:41] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[09:43] <qwertz1230> hey all... Installing Karmic, I ran in to a bug that was set to "Fix Released" some time ago. Should I now reset it to "New" or open a new report?
[09:43] <qwertz1230> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/usb-creator/+bug/150872)
[09:44] <docmax> hello, how can i remove the ubuntu bootup logo?
[09:44] <docmax> i want normal console output
[09:44] <tgpraveen> qwertz1230: if you are sure that
[09:44] <Jordan_U_> docmax: Remove "splash" from /etc/default/grub and run "sudo update-grub"
[09:44] <tgpraveen> it is the same bug then set it to NEW and add a comment explaining what happened to you
[09:45] <docmax> Jordan_U_, thank you
[09:46] <Jordan_U_> docmax: np
[09:46] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: used "current" netboot image (dont have big enough usb-stick or cd-writer available)
[09:47] <Snotty_> i have been using 9.10 after alpha4 and have work brilliant but but.. now update wont work and programs cannot install ..hmm.. anybody else same kind of problems?
[09:49] <Jordan_U_> !details | Snotty_
[09:51] <CountDeMonet> sweet, the live cd works
[09:51] <CountDeMonet> tomorrow when I grab a new computer from the office I'm going to throw it on there
[09:51] <lucent> neato
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> now, like i said. if it works I give someone here a free invite to google voice
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> so first person after i count to 3 gets it
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 1
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 2
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 3
[09:52] <InitHello> piffle, I have google wave
[09:52] <bazhang> !ot
[09:52] <InitHello> so nyaaah
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> not wave, voice
[09:53] <bazhang> CountDeMonet, this is not the channel for it
[09:53] <CountDeMonet> bazhang: alright
[09:54]  * lucent DO NOT WANT's
[09:54] <rothchild> Hi I'm having trouble with compiz on an intel 915 gfx, shadows have just become big black boxes can someone point me in the right direction as to which package to report the bug against? (or better, to troubleshoot the problem)
[09:57] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Do you have a floppy drive?
[09:59] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: no
[09:59] <CountDeMonet> so desktop effects still don't work with intel cards?
[10:00] <lucent> rothchild: bugger
[10:00] <lucent> rothchild: does it happen on a livecd boot?
[10:00] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: You could try reinstalling grub to the usb drive
[10:01] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: why?
[10:01] <rothchild> lucent: I've not tried that yet
[10:01] <TTilus> ive got sata ssd as root and spindle sata as /home
[10:01] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Was that grub error from the USB drive you were installing from or the installed system?
[10:01] <rothchild> I've also tried enabling uxa in xorg.conf but it doesn't seem to make any difference
[10:01] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: no grub errors
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: I'm rocking a Gx96x integrated Intel device here, no problems
[10:02] <rothchild> CountDeMonet: it was working fine until yesterday
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: you may also want to disable any quirks you had in Grub
[10:02] <docmax__> i have a problem... i'd like to disable gdm, but i fail
[10:02] <rothchild> lucent: quirks?
[10:02] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: after installation was completed, i removed the usb stick i booted from and rebooted (as instructed) and got to "GRUB stage1.5 .. GRUB loading, please wait..." and there it hung
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: I would check a livecd to see if it's there
[10:02] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: You said grub wasn't loading, right?
[10:03] <CountDeMonet> rothchild: what happened yesterday?
[10:03] <docmax__> i removed gdm from rc.d but it still starts
[10:03] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Ahh, the specific error helps
[10:03] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: how do i find out "the specific error"
[10:04] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: The stage 1.5 part, it means that the carmic installer installed grub somewhere other than your hard drive
[10:04] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: ?
[10:04] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: What you are seeing is the remains of a pre karmic install of grub legacy
[10:05] <rothchild> not sure, there was a kernel oops when waking from hibernation (which I've filed a report for) and when it reloaded the shadows were broken (it also turned off my wireless which wouldn't come back up with the fn switch until I'd connected it with a cable?)
[10:05] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: All you need to do is boot into a karmic system and run grub-install
[10:07] <shadeslayer> heh,flash is killing my PC
[10:07] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: First boot from the usb drive you installed from, then get to a terminal and find the device name for your hard drive and run "grub-install /dev/device" most likely "grub-install /dev/sda"
[10:08] <CountDeMonet> im seriously impressed with the speed of karmic esp since its running off a cd
[10:08] <shadeslayer> its really really bad after the latest updates on KDE
[10:08] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: lets see what youll be saying after you install flash :P
[10:09] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: does it slow it down that bad?
[10:09] <rothchild> lucent: I've got the iso coming down now. Any ideas about how I might be able to fix this in the box?
[10:09] <jhaig> Are there instructions for doing an upgrade to Karmic now (ie, to the RC before the official release)
[10:09] <lucent> rothchild: not until you know of a situation where it works
[10:09] <Jordan_U_> jhaig: Yes, look at the release notes
[10:10] <lucent> release notes forget to mention sacrificing a goat
[10:10] <jhaig> Jordan_U_: thanks.
[10:10] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: thanks
[10:10] <lucent> very important if you ask me
[10:10] <rothchild> lucent: fair enough, I may well be back in a little while then ;-) thanks for your help.
[10:10] <jhaig> lucent: :-)  I'll have one ready
[10:10] <Jordan_U_> jhaig: np
[10:10] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: np
[10:10] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: my laptop freezed as soon as i opened a flash based game,and unfreezed only after i killed the browser
[10:11] <CountDeMonet> ouch
[10:11] <rothchild> goat?! Damn I just ordered a job lot of virgins.......
[10:11] <Jordan_U_> lucent: They added dead goats as a dependancy to ubuntu-minimal for the RC
[10:11] <CountDeMonet> rothchild: they come cheap in bulk, esp when you realize were dealing with linux here ;)
[10:11] <Jordan_U_> lucent: So it should work automatically, though some might be surprised by the mess
[10:11] <lucent> Jordan_U_: I heard the super cow was slayed ;)
[10:12]  * lucent ba-dum-pcha! @ CountDeMonet 
[10:12] <rothchild> lol@cdm
[10:13] <CountDeMonet> i wonder how much better android development will be on ubuntu
[10:16] <JohnFlux> When my laptop runs out of battery I get a warning that it will hibernate in 30 seconds
[10:16] <JohnFlux> if I immediately plug power in, it beeps, indicating that I plugged in power
[10:16] <JohnFlux> but 30 seconds later, it hibernates
[10:17] <JohnFlux> This is in Kubuntu 9.10
[10:17] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: is it correctly reading your laptop power level?
[10:17] <richardcavell> It wasn't on my laptop a couple of months ago
[10:17] <docmax> hello, GDM still runs at bootup allthough i disabled it from rc.d.. any ideas???
[10:17] <richardcavell> My Karmic alpha CD is now a coaster for my Coke Zero
[10:17] <JohnFlux> richardcavell: the icon shows the correct battery level
[10:17] <lucent> docmax: uh...upstart
[10:17] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: okay, just a thought
[10:17] <JohnFlux> richardcavell: even when the icon shows the battery fully charged, it will reboot
[10:18] <JohnFlux> this happened because:
[10:18] <docmax> upstart?
[10:18] <lucent> docmax: "service gdm stop" not /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:18] <lucent> docmax: no more sysviinit
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 1) I got the warning that it would reboot.
[10:18] <JohnFlux> uh, hibernate
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 2) I manually hibernated immediately, and plugged in power
[10:18] <KyleS-work> Hey guys, anyone else having issues booting the 9.10 RC amd64 live CD?
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 3) several hours later, I unhibernated, with full battery
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 30 seconds later, it hibernated again automatically :-D
[10:19] <ltspadmin> S32ltsp-client-setup what is the use of this command
[10:19] <ltspadmin> in ltsp server
[10:20] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: flash works just fine. no slowdown at all or problems encountered
[10:20] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[10:20] <sobersabre> I have a h/w->s/w q.
[10:20] <sobersabre> I got koala on my thinkpad.
[10:20] <sobersabre> it works quite nicely.
[10:20] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: dunno man
[10:20] <sobersabre> I wanted to setup fingerprint reader, and got it working.
[10:20] <ltspadmin> S32ltsp-client-setup what is the use of this command in ltsp server ubuntu 9.04
[10:20] <sobersabre> I can login via the term with my finger print,
[10:20] <sobersabre> I can run other auth. related stuff.
[10:20] <sobersabre> BUT!
[10:21] <sobersabre> screensaver is making me some trouble.
[10:21] <sobersabre> I am on gnome.
[10:21] <sobersabre> when I run screensaver, and it shows the login prompt,
[10:21] <docmax> service gdm stop prevents from start at next boot???
[10:21] <sobersabre> If I give it the password, it doesn't log me in, but shows the "wait..." cursor.
[10:21] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: hmm... i have 64 bit
[10:21] <sobersabre> if I give it the fingerprint, it doesn't do anything.
[10:22] <docmax> lucent?
[10:23] <CountDeMonet> so is there any good migration software now to move things over from windows to karmic?
[10:23] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: wubi?
[10:23] <ltspadmin> The hard disk can be used with LILO or GRUB, to load the Linux kernel and initrd. You can also load the Etherboot bootrom image from the hard disk, and it will act like a bootrom.
[10:24] <sobersabre> I have modified the /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver
[10:24] <sobersabre> I removed this line:
[10:25] <sobersabre> auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so
[10:25] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: i mean something that automatically moves over preferences in common applications for you, such as all firefox add-ons/bookmarks
[10:25] <sobersabre> and I left the include @common-auth line.
[10:25] <sobersabre> that one has been also altered by the thinkfinger-pam-enable script.
[10:25] <sobersabre> anyway, can anybody give me some kind of pointer ?
[10:25] <sobersabre> I want screensaver to read fingerprints OR a password.
[10:26] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: hmm.. there should be something in ubiquity to do that stuff
[10:26] <KyleS-work> Anyone having difficulties with the amd64 Live CD?  After the initial 'try ubuntu' I simply get a blinking cursor
[10:27] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: up and running
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  good luck with that. there MIGHT be some screensavers for linux that do it. but ive never seen any
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  there is a power setting thing to require a password to get back in.
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> but i forget where. I always disable the thing.
[10:27] <KyleS-work> I have tried all manner of 'F6' and no dice
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: what do you think, should i file a bug, clearly installation guessed my boot disk wrong (and did not ask)
[10:28] <sobersabre> Dr_Willis: according to the online manuals I have all the versions of s/w that are supposedly able to support what I need.
[10:28] <jhaig> OK, I have followed the instructions linked off http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 for upgrading (which I note refers to upgrading to 9.04) and it does not give me the option to upgrade to the RC.  Is there something I'm missing?  (I haven't sacrificed the goat yet)
[10:28] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Yes, please file a bug ( if one hasn't been filed already )
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: ssd which was supposed to be bootdisk _had_ previous ubuntu setup
[10:28] <sobersabre> jhaig: what do you mean "RC" ?
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: against what?
[10:29] <docmax> service gdm stop prevents from start at next boot???
[10:29] <jhaig> Hmmm, I thought there had been an RC for Karmic.
[10:29] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Debian-installer probably
[10:29] <KyleS-work> jhaig, there is :)
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  no it would not stop gdm at next boot
[10:29] <KyleS-work> Was released on the 22nd
[10:29] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: hum, okay, yes
[10:29] <docmax> Dr_Willis, any ideas how to prevent GDM to boot on next boot?
[10:29] <jhaig> Well, that's what I mean by the RC
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  disable the gdm service  is one way i guess
[10:30] <docmax> Dr_Willis, i did update-rc.d gdm remove... doesnt work
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  thats because gdm is contriolled by UPSTART now. not the sysv scripts
[10:31] <docmax> how do i edit upstart?
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> it in /etc/init
[10:31] <JohnFlux> After hibernating, is there any way to get sound working again?
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> edit the gdm.conf or move it out of that dir perhaps
[10:31] <JohnFlux> or is this yet-another-pulseaudio bug?
[10:38] <docmax> where is the upstart folder which includes the services to run?
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> it in /etc/init
[10:44] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[10:45] <yoritomo> how to downgrade to grub1 under karmic64 ? this morning has been a grub update, and instead of 10sec "grub loading" now it takes about 25 secs :s
[10:46] <Heikki123> uuh
[10:46] <Heikki123> i have less than 1 sec grub loading
[10:47] <shadeslayer> yoritomo: same upgrade,no problem
[10:47] <shadeslayer> my grub boot is instant
[10:47] <yoritomo> yes but my grub was already not normal before, could it be coming from ext4fs partition ?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed the time depends greatly on hardware
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> i got one bos that has 5+ hd's and takes like 30 sec
[10:48] <yoritomo> de hdd working like a crazy on loading time, and looks like a cyclic task
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> this is befor grub menu appears i forget the exact messages
[10:48] <richardcavell> shouldn't take 25 secs to load grub
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I would stick with grub2 instead of trying to use grub1 -
[10:49] <yoritomo> yes "loading grub" on a black screen
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> its taking the time i imagine to scan the drives
[10:49] <richardcavell> yeah
[10:49] <richardcavell> I reckon it's looking for operating systems
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> ive seen/heard my one flakey box.. each drive spinning up
[10:49] <yoritomo> with the same hardware i had not that problem under jaunty and grub1
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> ive had identical (and worse) issues on this box with Grub1
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> but its a fileserver mainly with 4+ weeks of upti,e
[10:50] <yoritomo> it is 3 hdd and about 10 partition on it
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> so a 40 sec delay at boot is not a big deal
[10:50] <yoritomo> 40 secs :o
[10:50] <CountDeMonet> so if you have the RC installed on a system, come the 29th you can update it to the final?
[10:51] <yoritomo> it lose the benefit to have a fast computer
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> CountDeMonet:  yes.. thats a feature of the package manager
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> yoritomo:  oh the huge-manatee- a whole 40 sec! :)
[10:51] <CountDeMonet> Dr_Willis: brilliant
[10:51] <shadeslayer> hi i have a weird problem,even after deleting 3 activities out of 4,i can switch to the other activities via the keyboard shortcut
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is still a work in progress. file bug reports help make it better.
[10:52] <yoritomo> i installed beta version 2 weeks ago, but keeping daily updated then it will be equal to the rc ?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> I like some of the other new features in grub2
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> yoritomo:  yes thats how it works
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> in theory :)
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> tgere might be a little cruft left over. but proberly not much
[10:53] <yoritomo> i don't see grub-legacy on the 64 synaptic
[10:53] <yoritomo> what to do to go back to grub1 ?
[10:53] <yoritomo> need to grab a deb on a ppa ?
[10:56]  * jhaig clicks "Start Upgrade" ...
[10:57] <frandieguez>  Hi to all! Recently the new language packs for Galician (gl_ES) have been released with some bugs I have fixed on the translations but the interface shows the previous translations. I reboot the computer and try a lot of things but doesn't work. Want can I do to refresh the translation cache it this exists??
[10:58] <frandieguez>  I try creating a new user but it doesn't work too
[10:59] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: what DE ?
[10:59] <frandieguez> sorry, I don't understant... => DE???
[10:59] <Heikki123> desktop environment
[10:59] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: what Desktop env.
[11:00] <frandieguez> Karmic with gnome
[11:00] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: im on kde,so dont know the cache refresh command
[11:00] <frandieguez> I'm searching the bugs on launchpad. wait a minute
[11:01] <zniavre_> !grub2
[11:01] <frandieguez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/457001
[11:01] <frandieguez> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/457007
[11:02] <frandieguez> I was looking on the mofiles with msgunfmt and the bugs are fixed
[11:07] <KyleS-work> So...my computer will not boot to the live cd at all.  Even when I remove the 'splash' and 'quiet' at the end of the kernel line, it still fails.
[11:07] <KyleS-work> I get a blinking cursor with 0 output
[11:07] <KyleS-work> that is, unless I try the EDD flag
[11:07] <ikt> tried alternate?
[11:07] <KyleS-work> then I get probing EDD ...then a blinking cursor
[11:08] <KyleS-work> I have not tried the alternate yet
[11:08] <KyleS-work> Guess I'll give that the old college try when I get home
[11:11] <onats> it actually broke my system!
[11:11] <onats> gah!!!
[11:12] <KyleS-work> :(
[11:12] <onats> anyone encounter this issue:
[11:12] <Polarina> onats: You wouldn't be the first one. ;)
[11:12] <bigbrovar> My laptop performs very poorly for 2d graphics. For example, Docky's zoom effect and compiz effects are very choppy. In Jaunty, I was able to fix this by adding the following line under the "Device" section in my xorg.conf:
[11:12] <bigbrovar> Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[11:13] <bigbrovar> is there a way i can speen things up on karmic ? am using the Intel X3100 card
[11:16] <lucent> intel graphics are in a state of upheaval
[11:17] <lucent> it's mostly a good thing but there are a few places where it needs more testing
[11:17] <bigbrovar> that is cherring news :(
[11:17] <wgrant> Things are pretty settled now.
[11:17] <wgrant> You should no longer need to specify a MigrationHeuristic.
[11:17] <wgrant> If things aren't working well, perhaps 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel'
[11:19] <bigbrovar> guess thats what i'll do
[11:19] <aprilhare> what permissions should /tmp have?
[11:19] <bigbrovar> intel use to be a gurantee for a smooth graphic experience on linux .. sad to see it go the way of Pulse Audio
[11:19] <aprilhare> drwxrwxrwt  30 root root 90112 2009-10-24 21:19 tmp
[11:20] <yoritomo> is grub1 compatible with karmic64 ?
[11:20] <aprilhare> does that look right?
[11:20] <aprilhare> yoritomo: yes
[11:20] <lucent> bigbrovar: since recent Karmic updates, integrated intel gma965 works really really well
[11:20] <lucent> modesetting kernel and all that
[11:21] <lucent> it just plain works, better than it ever did with the Ubuntu pre-installed on it from Dell many years ago
[11:21] <lucent> not everyone with intel graphics gets to have that experience though :/
[11:21] <wgrant> bigbrovar: Most of the acceleration stack has been rewritten in the past year. It's not unexpected that some things are going wrong.
[11:21] <bigbrovar> ucent>: well i guess that is relative cus karmic is not as smooth as "geedy moded" jaunty  on my pc
[11:22] <wgrant> However, Karmic should be better for everything, except perhaps i810 and i845.
[11:23] <wgrant> aprilhare: That's right.
[11:23] <bigbrovar> wgrant> definitely not better here and this is a fresh install. anyway to tweak UXA for better performance
[11:23] <aprilhare> hmmmm
[11:24] <aprilhare> wgrant: firefox won't open a document automatically. it complains download failed - but the file is in /tmp
[11:24] <wgrant> bigbrovar: If you have to tweak, there is a bug. Which chipset?
[11:24] <aprilhare> i wonder: could a problem with /tmp affect flash?
[11:24] <wgrant> aprilhare: What type of file?
[11:25] <aprilhare> wgrant: pdf
[11:25] <bigbrovar> wgrant> integrated intel gma965
[11:25] <aprilhare> wgrant: say you click on a pdf, as usual the pdf plugin doesn't work and it gives you a choice to save or open the document. you select open, it downloads then reports failure
[11:26] <wgrant> aprilhare: I think that sometimes if it can't launch the application.
[11:26] <wgrant> bigbrovar: File a bug.
[11:26] <amgarchIn9> anybody using kde? Do you have shutdown/reboot buttons in Leave-menu or on C-Alt-Del?
[11:26] <bigbrovar> wgrant> ok thanks I will
[11:29] <aprilhare> wgrant: yeah that may be true. thats true of most files really. you save a file with firefox, try to open it in the download window and nearly 100% of the time whatever file it is fails to open. it claims the link needs to be opened with an application - and the default list of applications is empty.
[11:29] <BUGabundo> hey bigbrovar
[11:29] <bigbrovar> BUGabundo> yo
[11:29] <aprilhare> so you either find the actual application using the 'choose an application' or give up. even if you find it, it won't load anyways
[11:30] <aprilhare> all mucked up
[11:30] <yoritomo> Jokeur un petit dessin vaut mieux qu'un grand discours http://www.souslestoits.net/blog/public/billets/virtualbox.jpg
[11:30] <yoritomo> Jokeur http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/virtualbox
[11:31] <yoritomo> et ca marche pour tout les périphérique windows non reconnus puisque tu peux installer tout les drivers comme en réel
[11:31] <yoritomo> heu sorry i mistake chan
[11:33] <aprilhare> no worries
[11:33] <aprilhare> never seen windows xp in a virtualbox in french :)
[11:35] <aprilhare> wgrant: all that download handling functionality seems mucked up
[11:36] <AnxiousNut> im have Compaq mini 110 netbook, trying remix 9.10 rc, in ubutnu's previous release the wireless worked out of the box, but now it's not working
[11:36] <jarnos> IMO It would be worthwhile telling in the known issues that some remotes have stopped working by lirc in Karmic even if they worked in Jaunty, due to incompatibility between new kernel and drivers; see Bug #459021, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=4AE07265.5070808%40umich.edu
[11:38] <yoritomo> aprilhare hehe the only mean to get working paperweight printers fine and with the dump it is starting over 4 sec :)
[11:41] <AnxiousNut> where can i send bugs?
[11:42] <BUGabundo> AnxiousNut: launchpad
[11:42] <BUGabundo> use $ ubuntu-bug PACKAGE
[11:42] <BUGabundo> !bugs | AnxiousNut
[11:45] <lucent> crap... I can't mount scsi devices after N number of times
[11:45] <lucent> [702890.939332] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[11:45] <lucent> [702890.939343] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[11:46] <lucent> 15!?
[11:46] <lucent> what kind of bug is that anyways
[11:46] <KyleS-work> It's a scsi drive right?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> Is it jumpered correctly?
[11:47] <lucent> usb storage, or firewire, etc.
[11:47] <lucent> remmovable devices
[11:47] <KyleS-work> ah
[11:47] <lucent> I plug in, mount, umount, unplug
[11:47] <lucent> then repeat
[11:47] <lucent> eventually it just stops working at all
[11:47] <KyleS-work> unload the module?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> reload it?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> rmmod usb-storage
[11:47] <KyleS-work> modprobe usb-storage
[11:47] <lucent> huh, I could try that I guess
[11:47] <KyleS-work> sudo if you're not root
[11:48] <jhaig> I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic RC but after downloading the packages I'm getting "Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libo/liboobs/liboobs-1-4_2.22.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Size mismatch".  Can anyone help?  Thanks.
[11:48] <lucent> KyleS-work: that does the trick, sounds like a bug?
[11:48] <lucent> what kind of bug though
[11:48] <KyleS-work> Not sure honestly
[11:48]  * lucent chuckles @ liboobs
[11:48] <KyleS-work> lucent, I did too :)
[11:48] <kulight> i cant get sound watching tv from a usb dvb device. any suggestions?
[11:49] <lucent> KyleS-work: in dmesg, now the number is up to 16:0:0:0:
[11:49] <lucent> that's just ridiculous
[11:50] <lucent> plug/unplug usb storage, you'd hit some kind of limit rather quickly
[11:50] <BlouBlou> installed! :D
[11:51] <BlouBlou> I think all it's cool, but I prefer pidgin than empathy
[11:51] <KyleS-work> hehe, at least they kept the interface similar
[11:51] <KyleS-work> lucent, I'm not sure what you would bug it as though
[11:52] <BlouBlou> yes, but pidgin was littlbe bit more "advanced"
[11:52] <dupondje> when does the following Alpha releases start ? ;)
[11:52] <lucent> it is affecting any remmovable storage that appears as a scsi device
[11:52] <lucent> I have in fact usb storage and also firewire storage
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> !releaseschedule
[11:53] <kulight> !release schedule
[11:53] <dupondje> :p
[11:53] <shadeslayer> !release
[11:53] <KyleS-work> I wish I could just get 9.10 to boot myself
[11:53] <KyleS-work> the live CD epic fails on my computer :(
[11:53] <lucent> bummer
[11:53] <KyleS-work> I'm going to try the alternate cd when I get home
[11:53] <lucent> is the pc well spec'ed?
[11:53] <KyleS-work> very
[11:53] <KyleS-work> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8156696
[11:54] <dupondje> btw; somebody worked with dmraid_nvidia module for GRUB2 ?
[11:54] <KyleS-work> That's the forum post for it
[11:54]  * lucent nods
[11:54] <KyleS-work> I've never had an issue like it
[11:54] <lucent> might try nosmp acpi=bios
[11:54] <KyleS-work> I can't even verbose it
[11:55] <KyleS-work> hmmm...
[11:55] <KyleS-work> I'll try that when I get home in about 2 hours
[11:55] <KyleS-work> I wouldn't have even thought to do that
[11:56] <KyleS-work> If it gave me error messages, I'd love it
[11:56] <lucent> KyleS-work: would also suggest trying an 32-bit livecd for comparison
[11:56] <KyleS-work> 32 bit works
[11:56] <KyleS-work> ...slowly
[11:56] <KyleS-work> but 64 bit won't load at all
[11:56] <onats> help, i upgraded my 9.04 to 9.10 but now i cant boot in. the boot sequence gets stuck when it starts to try mounting devices in /etc/fstab. it keeps on waiting for ALL the devices
[11:56] <lucent> ah
[11:56] <tobi_> I can't start Empathy with Karmic Koala. I just get an Segmentation fault
[11:57] <KyleS-work> 64 doesn't post after the grub in the live cd.  I just get blinking cursor
[11:57] <onats> how do i recover/rollback it back to 9.04 again?
[11:57] <KyleS-work> onats, you don't unfortunately
[11:57] <lucent> KyleS-work: weird as it sounds, try unplugging all your USB devices and trying different ports or whatever
[11:57] <onats> KyleS, so whats the solution?
[11:57] <lucent> I don't know why, but I saw that one time
[11:58] <onats> argh!!!!
[11:58] <tobi_> and I can't make an backtrace, because gdb can't find the debugging symbols
[11:58] <KyleS-work> omg...I didn't even think to unplug the usb
[11:58] <lucent> still don't know why.
[11:58] <onats> this is the first time this happened to me on an upgrade on ubuntu!
[11:58] <tobi_> what packege do I need to install to get the debugging symbols?
[11:58] <onats> i need my desktop!
[11:58] <KyleS-work> You'll have to reinstall 9.04
[11:58] <onats> ouch
[11:58] <lucent> KyleS-work: I saw the PS/2 driver in usb emulation mode cause an interrupt deadlock, that was freaky
[11:58] <x-Na> Hmmh
[11:59] <KyleS-work> But the weird part is i get 0 output
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> Of course if  a upgrade failed.. a clean install miught work better
[11:59] <x-Na> why not just boot with livecd and edit the fstab-file?
[11:59] <onats> that does not sound too good. what about karmic when it goes out? will it be better? also, can i have my home and root in different kinds of partitions?
[11:59] <KyleS-work> even when disabling splash/quiet
[11:59] <lucent> there's a race condition that persists in the Linux kernel and once in a while something freaky triggers it
[11:59] <lucent> it's a hardware related trigger
[11:59] <lucent> serial console would be helpful :)
[11:59] <KyleS-work> I'll try that out when I get home
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> onats:  you can use different fileysstems for /home and /boot.  Notsure what you mean by kinds of partitions. :) theres only 3 kinds.
[12:00] <penguin42> 3?
[12:00] <lucent> KyleS-work: booting nosmp acpi=bios should help though
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Primary, extended, logical
[12:00] <KyleS-work> I'll try that when I get home :)
[12:00] <lucent> ew
[12:00] <lucent> sick of FAT just use GPT already ha
[12:01] <KyleS-work> Dr_Willis, that's with a dos partitioning scheme
[12:01] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Ah yeh I alwys forget about the extended itself; I guess you could through fortune to the wind and use a different partition table format like GPT
[12:01] <KyleS-work> gpt <--different
[12:01] <penguin42> KyleS-work: Are you on a mac out of interest?
[12:01] <skiwithpete> hello
[12:01] <Tronic> GPT support on Linux still sucks.
[12:01] <KyleS-work> nah
[12:01] <bazhang> skiwithpete, did you try switching mirrors
[12:01] <KyleS-work> worst part about owning a mac...having to tell your parents you're gay :)
[12:01] <lucent> it's fine, parted and grub2
[12:01] <penguin42> KyleS-work: ah OK, it's just more common with EFI
[12:01] <Tronic> E.g. you cannot resize XFS GPT partitions.
[12:02] <dupondje> seems like nobody tried GRUB2 with DMRAID ? ;)
[12:02] <Tronic> But if you have disks bigger than 2 TB, you have to use GPT.
[12:02] <KyleS-work> ya
[12:02] <skiwithpete> ok, I get the wrong IP when I try to search gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <Tronic> PC BIOS partition tables don't work past that size.
[12:02] <skiwithpete> PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (42.1.4.80) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> one of the many reasons to be moving to grub2 I guess.
[12:03] <skiwithpete> if you ping it, I bet you'll get a different IP for it
[12:03] <dupondje> Tronic: no ? 64bit LBA ?
[12:03] <penguin42> skiwithpete: Indeed I get 194.169.254.10
[12:03] <KyleS-work> same penguin42
[12:03] <skiwithpete> how do I clear the IP table?
[12:03] <dupondje> skiwithpete: its maby roundrobin ?
[12:03] <skiwithpete> I had the same problem in Kubuntu with a nightly last week
[12:03] <penguin42> skiwithpete: That's really dodgy
[12:04] <skiwithpete> what do I do to clear it?
[12:04] <penguin42> dupondje: It doesn't show up as another IP on a dig
[12:04] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, try a different dns server
[12:04] <skiwithpete> I can't install addons in Firefox either
[12:04] <KyleS-work> could be your dns lookup
[12:04] <Tronic> dupondje: I don't think there's a 64 bit LBA variant of PC BIOS partition table.
[12:04] <skiwithpete> how do I do a DNS lookup?
[12:05] <onats> i busted it, i guess its time to test out psystars rebel efi
[12:05] <dupondje> Tronic: there is. Don't need to use GPT for +2TB disks
[12:05] <Tronic> dupondje: Okay, then is that supported by anything?
[12:05] <Tronic> At least all the partitioning tools I used apparently failed.
[12:05] <Hukka> *sigh* You think you have it all, and then things just break after boot. Now I have no sound anymore... lshw still sees my nVidia NCP55 HDA, and snd_hda_intel is loaded.
[12:05] <Tronic> => if it is not supported, you might just as well be using GPT.
[12:06] <dupondje> Tronic: not even need to partition a disk with XFS
[12:06] <dupondje> you can just format the disk as a whole ..
[12:06] <Hukka> But alsamixer says there's no such file or directory and gnome-volume-manager doesn't show any output devices (except for dummy)
[12:06] <shadeslayer> gah... 127 MB of RAM free.... out of 3 GB
[12:06] <KyleS-work> Hukka, did you do a partial upgrade?
[12:06] <Tronic> dupondje: Not such a good idea. What if you actually do need partitions (e.g. boot or swap)?
[12:06] <lucent> shadeslayer: how much is cached?
[12:06] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Don't worry, most of it's probably cache
[12:07] <skiwithpete> i don't know what to do
[12:07] <Hukka> KyleS-work: This is a machine installed with Karmic beta cd
[12:07] <dupondje> Tronic: it depends what you do with it ofc :) but for example I have 4TB array
[12:07] <KyleS-work> ah
[12:07] <dupondje> just 1 partition :)
[12:07] <shadeslayer> -/+ buffers/cache:        855       2162
[12:07] <Tronic> dupondje: It will also confuse other OSes, prevent autodetection on Linux too, etc.
[12:07] <KyleS-work> Hukka, the RC was released yesterday
[12:07] <KyleS-work> er..on the 22nd
[12:07] <KyleS-work> maybe try upgrading?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> lucent: penguin42 how do i clear the cache?
[12:07] <Tronic> I used to do that, though. Now I use GPT.
[12:07] <lucent> shadeslayer: why the hell?
[12:07] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Are you sure you want to - it's good!
[12:07] <Hukka> KyleS-work: And last time I used audio was on Thursday, and I don't recall audio related packages being updated since that
[12:07] <bazhang> skiwithpete, does normal browsing work fine
[12:07] <shadeslayer> penguin42: the cache is good?
[12:07] <guntbert> shadeslayer: have a look at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[12:07] <Hukka> Can't be sure about that though, there has been plenty of upgraded packets
[12:08] <Tronic> At some point I was even forced to use device mapper because some partition tool had made the partition begin at sector 32 and then I got past the 2 GB mark and things broke.
[12:08] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh, it's holding stuff you read from disc previously; if it's needed for something more useful the kernel will throw some cache away automatically
[12:08] <Hukka> But anyway, after checking the driver and lshw, I'm not out of ideas
[12:08] <skiwithpete> baz, not really, some pages are broken
[12:08] <Hukka> s/not/now
[12:08] <dupondje> Tronic: http://www.areca.us/support/download/RaidCards/Documents/Manual_Spec/Over2TB_Manual.zip
[12:08] <skiwithpete> some work though
[12:08] <dupondje> :)
[12:08] <skiwithpete> but its inconsisten which ones work and which ones don't
[12:09] <Tronic> dupondje: I don't think that really helps much.
[12:09] <Tronic> (I have read it, because I use Areca controllers)
[12:09] <lucent> lol @ linuxatemyram website
[12:09] <lucent> can't believe that exists
[12:10] <shadeslayer> penguin42: ah... nice page :D
[12:10] <KyleS-work> lucent, it's the internet
[12:10] <skiwithpete> can't even think what the problem is,
[12:10] <dupondje> Tronic: what u need exactly ? I know fdisk doesn't support 2TB+
[12:10] <KyleS-work> of course it exists
[12:10] <KyleS-work> <--works at a Data Center haha
[12:10] <shadeslayer> penguin42: why does it not use swap?
[12:10] <KyleS-work> I get more than my fair share of internet unfortunately
[12:10]  * lucent falls over
[12:10] <skiwithpete> is there a way to reset the IP table, because mine points at the wrong place for gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:10] <dupondje> shadeslayer: Linux only uses swap when there is like 0bytes memory availible
[12:10] <dupondje> swap = slowdown
[12:11] <Tronic> dupondje: I'm fine. I use GPT and my own partitioning utility (gptedit).
[12:11] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Swap's on disk so is slow; it's just using some of your spare RAM to avoid having to go to disc for things like config files that keep getting read or binaries you keep running
[12:11] <KyleS-work> dupondje, not exactly true
[12:11] <KyleS-work> dupondje, my Ubuntu likes to eat swap on occasion regardless of memory used
[12:11] <shadeslayer> penguin42: oh,thanks for clearing that out :)
[12:11] <penguin42> shadeslayer: It might even decide to swap something out to make more room for cache if that thing is very rarely used
[12:11] <lucent> parted annoys me that it commits changes immediately
[12:11] <lucent> I wish it had a save mode
[12:11] <Tronic> dupondje: Had to write my own utility because parted wouldn't resize (grow) XFS partitions.
[12:11] <KyleS-work> lucent, if you want to recover partitions...
[12:11] <KyleS-work> one sec
[12:11]  * penguin42 dislikes parted, I find it's mkfspart command way too complex
[12:11] <KyleS-work> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk <--I highly recommend this
[12:12] <lucent> nifty
[12:12] <skiwithpete> anyone?
[12:12] <KyleS-work> I use it at work to save customer partitions
[12:12] <KyleS-work> works great in linux.
[12:12] <lucent> yeah I have run into work like that before
[12:12] <lucent> it takes a toll on your soul after about 15-20 jobs
[12:12] <lucent> like you're cheating fate
[12:12]  * lucent :)
[12:13] <skiwithpete> ok, so I went into sources.list
[12:13] <skiwithpete> and changed the source to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <skiwithpete> then I ran the ping on gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <honka> would you please tell me equivalent to adobe professional in linux?
[12:14] <skiwithpete> 64 bytes from gb.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10): icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=42.5 ms
[12:14] <skiwithpete> and it gave me the correct IP addy for gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <lucent> honka: none that I know of, maybe scribus
[12:15] <lucent> honka: what kind of work do you need to do?
[12:15] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete if you want
[12:15] <KyleS-work> add it to /etc/hosts
[12:15] <skiwithpete> what what?
[12:15] <KyleS-work> you can make a host point to a certain IP
[12:15] <Tronic> dupondje: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-parted@gnu.org/msg02791.html
[12:15] <honka> I wanna read and write pdf files
[12:16] <skiwithpete> still, loads of websites don't work and firefox won't install addons
[12:17] <richardcavell> does OpenOffice read pdfs?
[12:17] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, I'd change your dns server
[12:17] <KyleS-work> do this
[12:17] <KyleS-work> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:17] <richardcavell> honka: OpenOffice definitely saves pdfs
[12:17] <skiwithpete> I had this problem with the Kubuntu Nightly the other day, surely someone else is having these problems
[12:17] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, how?
[12:17] <honka> is there something smaller than of?
[12:18] <KyleS-work> type the command cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:18] <skiwithpete> pete@hp-laptop:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:18] <skiwithpete> # Generated by NetworkManager
[12:18] <skiwithpete> nameserver 10.1.1.1
[12:18] <KyleS-work> ok, is that the gateway of your router?
[12:18] <skiwithpete> yes
[12:18] <KyleS-work> ok, so it's routing through your router.
[12:19] <KyleS-work> check the DNS servers on your router
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> routing through router. :)
[12:19] <KyleS-work> hehe
[12:19] <KyleS-work> yup
[12:19] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, I know its not the router because of the experiment above
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> vs gateing through the gateway
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> I got the opendns ip's handy if you want
[12:19] <KyleS-work> maybe try unloading and reloading the IPs on the router
[12:19] <skiwithpete> when I changed the sources.list to US it started using other IPs
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> nameserver 208.67.222.220
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> for open dns. (just if you want to test)
[12:20] <GarthPS> HI.I am encurting an error during KarmicUpgrades : I hav followed this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu and the installatin is hanging .I am in the installation of package stage and the interface has frozen. what am i suppos to do?
[12:20] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, if you want to do it easily, do this command
[12:20] <KyleS-work> echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver 208.67.222.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:21] <KyleS-work> then try your luck with the updates
[12:21] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[12:22] <KyleS-work> ok, this one then
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> got to do it as root.:)
[12:22] <KyleS-work> sudo echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf && sudo echo "nameserver 208.67.222.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:22] <rothchild> lucent: thanks for your help earlier, I've reinstalled from CD and it seems to have fixed my compiz problems
[12:22] <KyleS-work> :)
[12:22] <skiwithpete> pete@hp-laptop:~$ sudo echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf && sudo echo "nameserver 208.67.222.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:22] <skiwithpete> bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[12:22] <KyleS-work> eh?
[12:23] <skiwithpete> eh?
[12:23] <KyleS-work> weird
[12:23] <wgrant> > is a shell operation. sudoing echo isn't going to do anything.
[12:23] <KyleS-work> ah
[12:23] <wgrant> Try piping into 'sudo tee' instead.
[12:23] <KyleS-work> then sudo su - then the command echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver 208.67.222.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <Hukka> Hmh, sudo alsamixer does find a sound card
[12:24] <frandieguez> skiwithpete, use tee
[12:24] <Hukka> But sudo gnome-volume-manager doesn't
[12:24] <wgrant> Please never 'sudo su -'. 'sudo -i' does the same but in a less awful fashion.
[12:24] <frandieguez> echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" |sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <wgrant> Hukka: Why would you sudo that?
[12:24] <frandieguez> echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" |sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf # to add another line
[12:24] <Hukka> But there definately is hw found, since it has all info in /proc/asound
[12:25] <Hukka> wgrant: Better question is why do I need to do that
[12:25] <Hukka> I only know that alsamixer doesn't find the soundcard with my user permissions, and it did yesterday
[12:25] <KyleS-work> Hukka check the /etc/groups
[12:25] <KyleS-work> make sure you're a part of audio
[12:25] <skiwithpete> ok, I've dont that.
[12:25] <Hukka> Alas, still no sound, even though the volume levels are now unmuted
[12:25] <wgrant> Is PA running?
[12:25] <skiwithpete> sorry, done that...
[12:25] <skiwithpete>  now what
[12:25] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, now try your update
[12:26] <KyleS-work> see if it gives you better results
[12:26] <KyleS-work> Hmmm.....nvm Hukka, apparently Ubuntu does it differently
[12:26] <KyleS-work> pulse is the only member of audio
[12:26] <Hukka> KyleS-work: I'm not, but I wasn't before either. Only pulse is, and shouldn't all audio go through that?
[12:27] <wgrant> KyleS-work: policykit is magical.
[12:27] <Hukka> Hm, I got a beep through the speakers
[12:27] <Hukka> A very, very annoying one, but still: sound
[12:27] <wgrant> Hukka: In the default config, PulseAudio runs through your user, not the system user.
[12:27] <Hukka> But no actual audio playback
[12:27] <KyleS-work> Hukka, have you tried checking all the pcm settings in volume control?
[12:27] <KyleS-work> preferably "fron"
[12:27] <KyleS-work> front**
[12:28] <KyleS-work> I've had that issue before
[12:28] <skiwithpete> yeah, suddenly stuff is working better
[12:28] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, seems like it was your dns then
[12:28] <Hukka> Hm, adding myself to audio group helped with alsamixer. But how did it work before...
[12:28] <KyleS-work> We've been having horrid DNS issues at work too.  Installing Plesk is a b**** with crappy DNS
[12:29] <Hukka> KyleS-work: In alsamixer, yes. But gnome-volume-manager doesn't show anything
[12:29] <Hukka> And it should, and it did
[12:29] <KyleS-work> Hmmm.
[12:29] <wirechief> hmm lsof  /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*  that will show what is being used
[12:29] <Hukka> After all, alsamixer doesn't manage pulseaudio
[12:32] <wgrant> Hukka: It does, actually.
[12:32] <wgrant> Sort of.
[12:33] <Hukka> wgrant: Really? Because I've also always (with Karmic) had the problem that no matter what alsamixer settings I had, if sound was muted in gnome-volume-control, there was no sound
[12:33] <Hukka> So it seemed like a lower level setting
[12:33] <Sagaci> i think that the wallpaper for 9.10 is a tad bright on the upper right side
[12:33] <wgrant> Hukka: It is rather convoluted.
[12:34] <KyleS-work> Sagaci, I'm with you.  I'm not a fan of the background.  I absolutely love the color scheme of the windows though
[12:34] <Hukka> But anyway, now I manage to get beeps, but nothing else
[12:35] <Sagaci> KyleS-work: i think they would have been spot on if they just smeared into a paler orange but not the bright gold
[12:35] <St0n3-C0l> Anyone tried out Ubuntu 9.10 RC yet on Intel Video?
[12:35] <KyleS-work> Sagaci, yeah.  I usually use a very bland background anyway.
[12:35] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: Yes. Lots of people.
[12:35] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: For most people it works very well.
[12:36] <KyleS-work> One of the gname defaults haha.  The blue one.
[12:36] <wgrant> There is the occasional case where it does not.
[12:36] <KyleS-work> such as my case wgrant :(
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> wgrant: How's the response? I couldn't get the Live CD of Kubuntu 9.10 beta past the login screen, it freezed :(
[12:36] <Sagaci> KyleS-work: i know i can change it and others can too but it's just a bit annoying, you can feel it in your right eye
[12:36] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: Which chipset?
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> Not even login screen LOL sorry, the bootup.
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> D845
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> i use i810
[12:36] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:36] <wgrant> i8xx support has likely regressed somewhat.
[12:37] <wgrant> As Intel doesn't seem to want to support them any more.
[12:37] <BUGabundo> again??
[12:37] <BUGabundo> :(
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> This is really nuts!
[12:37] <wgrant> Only i8xx; >= i915 should be better than ever.
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> Windows 7 I am sure would support it well.
[12:38] <KyleS-work> Windows 7 has very highly paid admins who don't volunteer their time :)
[12:38] <wgrant> Saying that here will make you no friends.
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> Well, actually my friend I love Linux
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> using it for 7-8 years
[12:39] <KyleS-work> I won't lie though, I really like Windows 7 myself.  I just can't use it for every day use
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> but what is making me crazy is the attitude :( I know they're highly paid but what for those who've got old PCs and using Linux?
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> I've got a 1GB Ram with 1.8ghz processor, I can very well run any new distro but what stops is the video performance
[12:39] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: file a bug. It will likely be fixed.
[12:40] <wgrant> Very few people are still running i8xx chips. They do not get much testing.
[12:40] <wgrant> And Intel does not really care about them any more, so it is up to the community to keep things working.
[12:40] <Sagaci> I don't mind windows 7 but i'm not paying $400 for it
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah I can see why Intel won't support it :)
[12:40] <KyleS-work> Microsoft is giving me a free copy :D
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> Especially when the markets are down.
[12:40] <KyleS-work> All I have to do is sit for a 2 hr conference
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> LOL
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> =))
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> If you get one, pass me on :P
[12:41] <KyleS-work> haha
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> I am yet to test Windows 7
[12:41] <Sagaci> people will still buy windows 7 via OEM
[12:41] <KyleS-work> I like 7
[12:41] <KyleS-work> I liked vista too though...but I liked vista for DX10
[12:41]  * BUGabundo listens to more W7 lines then linux on this # :(
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> It is Microsoft's Make or Break chance but Linux has gained a lot of users with Vista disaster ;)
[12:42] <KyleS-work> Vista wasn't as bad as they say.  It was released early without manufacturer support
[12:42] <sobersabre> hi. I'm a bit confused with pulse audio.
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> It was the jump that caused outrage
[12:42] <KyleS-work> I'll still use Linux as my main OS though.  I just can't like Windows multimedia
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> I really want to
[12:42] <sobersabre> I like oss drivers, and i installed them by a habbit, but now the sound doesn't play properly.
[12:42] <KyleS-work> Mplayer is just too grand for me
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> shift to Linux
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> for my work as well. I want to try it out how it goes
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> but
[12:43] <sobersabre> is there a way to configure PA with oss ?
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> mplayer grand? heh
[12:43] <KyleS-work> I loves me some Mplayer
[12:43] <Sagaci> still, i much prefer the ubuntu debian linux gnu than the windows lifestyle
[12:43] <St0n3-C0l> Unless the video performance improves, I don't have any option but to stick with XP which I love :)
[12:43] <KyleS-work> We're about to move all of our workstations at work to Ubuntu
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  OSS is handled by alsa compatabilty layers now I think.
[12:43] <KyleS-work> that's where I was different :) I hated, and still hate, XP
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> ages ago there was OSS  then alsa came in.. and now pulse is on top of alsa. (I think i git that order right)
[12:44] <St0n3-C0l> As long as it gets my work done, I am happy! :P I am sure the time will come for XP as well when software companies take the support out of XP as well.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> older apps that use OSS actually use some OSS compatabilty features of alsa.
[12:45] <St0n3-C0l> Was thinking of Debian Testing but they also moved to newer xorg LOL
[12:45] <Sagaci> lol, will windows 8 have XP mode?
[12:46] <mac> windows will suck
[12:46] <mac> at all
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> You use mac? :P
[12:46] <mac> yes
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> C64's rule
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> Then I can really understand it :p
[12:47] <mac> what?
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> wow the fsck messages in 9.10 are a little... annoying
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> I don't want to move to Hardy as well.
[12:48] <mac> DR_Willis:9.10 what?
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> It has another issues with it :)
[12:49] <St0n3-C0l> But perhaps not a bad idea! I can try that out.
[12:50] <St0n3-C0l> Only will have to manually compile codecs which I've done that before as well, was pain!
[12:53] <Hukka> wgrant, KyleS-work: logging into gnome fixed the sound...
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> Ok guys, anyone uses Hamster here?
[12:53] <JDahl> I am trying to write a DVD image (in .TOC format) to a DVD. When I double-click the .TOC file, and "Image Burning Dialog" pops up, but there's an error "Please replace the disc with a supported DVD. It is not possible to write with the current set of plugins".  What plugins do I need?
[12:53] <Hukka> And the output is now visible in gnome-volume-control
[12:53] <SunlessHalo> please, how shall i reenable sound if just dropped out, claimed to use PulseAudio instead of Intel HDA, but no sound is gotten?
[12:53] <Hukka> So there is something related to audio, that isn't right just by booting the computer, you need gnome...
[12:55] <wgrant> Hukka: PulseAudio will only start once you log into your desktop.
[12:56] <Hukka> wgrant: It seemed to work fine before, I always use ion3 as my wm
[13:02] <semafor> anyone else having problems exiting tsclient fullscreen in karmic?
[13:02] <Hukka> wgrant: Oh yeah, and isn't there supposed to be a bootup sound when gdm finishes loading?
[13:02] <Hukka> wgrant: How can that happen, if sound is supposed to come on only after desktop loads
[13:03] <Hukka> I mean that quick "dupudup"-sound
[13:03] <onats> what are the contents of /root again? are all of my settings going to disappear?
[13:03] <onats> i have /home in a separate partition
[13:04] <onats> and /var
[13:04] <Hukka> onats: /root is root's home
[13:05] <onats> yeah, but what kinds of files will i lose?
[13:06] <onats> applications?
[13:07]  * Dr_Willis is confused
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> theres really not much stored in /root/
[13:07] <Dr_Willis>  /home is all the users settings/data
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> worrying about 'applications' is windows thinking. :)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> You can have the system make a list of whats installed.. then reinstall everything from that list if you wanted to
[13:08] <onats> ok, but then i'd have to reinstall everything right?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> you basically ARE reinstalling everything anyway
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> everthing is getting upgraded.. if you have custome configs for a lot of things.. those may be wroth backing up
[13:08] <onats> Dr_Willis, the problem is, i lost my installation already, by trying to upgrade to 9.10
[13:08] <onats> gah
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> I never 'upgrade'  from one release to the next. I just do clean reinstalls
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> saves me hassles.
[13:09] <wgrant> Upgrading is fine.
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> its fine whenb it works :)
[13:09] <wgrant> And will make little to no difference if you are preserving /home anyway.
[13:09] <onats> ok, is the  9.10 beta safe now?
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> I have had some issues ages ago with gnome/kde having issues with the users older kde/gnome settings.. but ive not noticed that problem in the last year or so.
[13:10] <XVampireX> onats, yes
[13:10] <wgrant> onats: It's RC now, so it should be.
[13:10] <onats> and, can i retain /home to ext3, but root is ext4?
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> its a 'rc' now  - not a beta
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:10] <onats> shoot, now my download restarted
[13:10] <onats> gah
[13:10] <SunlessHalo> Dr_Willis: will you help me with my audio please?
[13:10] <Hukka> onats: Btw, "root filesystem" is  not /root
[13:11] <onats> Hukka, I meant "/"
[13:11] <Hukka> onats: Well, that isn't root's home, then
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> SunlessHalo:  ive rarely had any issues with audio.
[13:13] <SunlessHalo> i have them frequently :\
[13:13] <SunlessHalo> just it falls back to pulseaudio and no sound is gotten
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had any issues with Pulse audio either.
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Been  learning to route pulse audio to the other pc's so i can  watchon one pc and listen on the one with the big speakers. :)
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Got HuluDesktop for linux working also.. but it has some issues. :()
[13:26] <natschil> does anyone know, off the top of their heads, whether nautilus in gnome will be able to paint a transparent background to allow the compiz wallpaper plugin to work properly?
[13:26] <natschil> (in karmic)
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> I thought to get the compiz plugin going - you had to prevent gnome from drawing the desktop
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> #compiz may know more.
[13:27] <natschil> Dr_Willis: yes, you had to do that in previous versions of gnome, as nautilus wasn't able to draw a transparent background image...I was wondering whether gnome can do it in karmic.
[13:27]  * natschil asks there
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen a way to draw a transparent background image.
[13:28] <natschil> Dr_Willis: plasma was able to do it before kde 4.3, which broke everything
[13:29] <natschil> actually #nautilus or #gnome might know more
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what you gain by the compiz 'wallpaper' plugin
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> but i just use nice blue backgrounds. :)
[13:32] <natschil> Dr_Willis: with the compiz 'wallpaper plugin' you can have *different* blue backgrounds on each viewport :)
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> wow.. :)
[13:33]  * natschil gets reminded of windows when he sees blue backgrounds though
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> let me do double back flips over to get that!
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[13:33] <xevil> have there been many issues with 9.10 Brta upgrade?
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> I set my grub, and xsplash, and gdm, and user logins to be the same basic wallpapers
[13:33] <xevil> Beta even
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Theres a few people in here every day with Upgrade issues...
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> but not a lot.
[13:35] <natschil> Dr_Willis: it isn't that hard to get it to work, I hear... the x server has supported some sort of rgba for ages, and there are patches that exist to let this work http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/1903405791_2ec0c32000_b.jpg is a (green) example
[13:35] <natschil> of this functionality
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> i got 2 monoitors.. so i rarely even use the multi desktops any more.
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> used them back when i jad just the 1. :) but not so much now
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> of course I tend to always fullscreen the apps i am running.. so i never see the wallpaper either
[13:37] <natschil> Dr_Willis: I just get attracted to the coolness of having a compositor with the cube effect *and* multiple wallpapers.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> i find the cube about as usefull as the Sham-wow and Titan Peeler. :)
[13:38] <onats> one more question guys,
[13:38]  * Dr_Willis is watching late night infomercials...
[13:38] <onats> i mistakenly created 4 primary partitions.. /, /var,/home, and swap... how do i convert some of them to logical?
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> You have to make an extended that holds a logical.
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> you need more partitions then 4?
[13:39] <onats> dr willis, without losing my data?
[13:39] <onats> im planning to put another OS on my free 250GB
[13:39] <onats> osx
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> swap would be easiest to delete/convert. but resizeing  may be the issue
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> You could resize them now.. then find one to delete/remake as logical/extended
[13:40] <onats> well ill only be able to do that once i finish downloading 9.10, and install it...:(
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Ive not seen any wasy way for example to move /home (primary) to a /home (extended(logical))
[13:40] <onats> how about /var?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Gparted from live cd. can do all sorts of things...  but i would suggest backing things up
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> I dont even bother with a /var/ partition any more
[13:41] <onats> var contains DB storage right?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> move all of /var onto your / and  use the var space for a new partition. but then ya will have (primary)(extended +1 or more lgicals) (primary) (primary)  for the layout
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> thats a little.. odd.
[13:42] <onats> whats a good partitioning strategy?
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> I forget whats in /var/
[13:42] <cbx33> whats the right way to change hostname in karmic?
[13:43] <onats> cbx33, you're on karmic already? what's the most significant diff from 9.04?
[13:43] <guntbert> !hostname | cbx33
[13:45] <cbx33> ty
[13:45] <cbx33> yeh I'm on Karmic
[13:45] <cbx33> very well done to the team
[13:46] <cbx33> that needs to be updated.....the gui no longer exists by default
[13:47] <giles_> hello I installed gnash, and managed to get it recognised by epiphany.
[13:48] <giles_> its version 0.8.6, and should play Youtube videos, but I just get a grey window.
[13:53] <richardcavell> Anyone here using a Mac?
[13:54] <fcuk112> anyone got x-fi working with karmic?
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard of it working.. but thats all i know on the topic fcuk112
[13:56] <fcuk112> mine is detected but i still get no sound.  i've tried alsamixer -c0 but no joy.
[13:56] <tgpraveen> !info rhythmbox
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> I would have to say check the forums. I only recall seeing a few peopl ein here even mtnion the x-fi cards
[13:57] <coz_> hey guys...has anyone reported that mouse over audio preview has been broken with last updates?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> I normally get creative cards for my machines. but with the x-fi disaster for linux they did.. ive not even looked at them recently.
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  its working here.
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> for my .mp3
[13:58] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  just noticed that the last big update  it is broken here :(
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> one of those features that supises new users.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm let me update and see
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> 44 updates installing
[13:59] <ltspadmin> my thin clients are getting hanged after loading the nbi.img
[13:59] <ltspadmin> what could be the problem..??
[13:59] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  just also noticed when opening  /system/preferences/sound   I get a dialot   "Waiting for sound system to respond"   sound works   though
[13:59] <coz_> dialog rather
[14:00] <alinux> hi trying to update some software on karmic, however I am getting W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> and I did do  sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5 but I am still getting the error
[14:02] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> I have just updated my karmic-based laptop and now the NetworkManager applet in KDE doesn't work as far as connecting to a wireless network is concerned
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> any info on that? anybody knows anything?
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> it worked AOK an hour ago
[14:04] <MidMark2> hello
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> 44 updates.. and it wants a reboot..
[14:04] <coz_> Dr_Willis,   I got it workin  with   /etc/init.d/alsa-utils  restart
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> kernel updates   a week or so befor release.. scary :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  A++ :)
[14:05] <MidMark2> I have issues with karmic nvidia drivers, I have an nvidia quadro nvs 140m
[14:05] <MidMark2> xorg fails to load with error: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  did you just install the driver?
[14:06] <MidMark2> of course, with jockey
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  ok and did  you completely reboot the system
[14:06] <MidMark2> of course
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> did you do backflips as it rebooted?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> :P
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  ok :) just checking    and the driver version?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> You did see that in the EULA?
[14:07] <MidMark2> I can paste both jockey log and xorg, I tried both 173.14.20 and 185.18.36
[14:07] <MidMark2> both they fail :(
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I dident see any updates to X or nvidia in the laste updates i did
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> nvidia 8800gtsXXX video card here
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> let me reboot this box and see if theres any issues.
[14:09] <kosmic> break my system?
[14:09] <kosmic> i hope you dont mean break the hardware
[14:10] <jim_from_pa> on the beta, noticed that gdm themes no longer work, why?
[14:10] <MidMark2> jockey log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/300553/
[14:10] <MidMark2> xorg log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/300554/
[14:10] <MidMark2> any help?
[14:11] <tgpraveen> !info NetworkManager
[14:11] <tgpraveen> !info nm
[14:12] <tgpraveen> !info nm-applet
[14:12] <joaopinto> hello
[14:12] <frybye> tgpraveen: HASBEEN REPLACED - WITH . CAN`T REMEMBER NAME..
[14:13] <joaopinto> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/org/bluez/audio"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
[14:13] <joaopinto> any idea why alsa would try to connect to a bt device wheren there is no bt hw ?
[14:13] <frybye> sorry re: upper case..
[14:13] <tgpraveen> !info network-manager
[14:14] <tgpraveen> yay!
[14:15] <MidMark2> grr, no ideas?
[14:30] <temporarytao> hello, i'm one of those experiencing problems with usb devices not getting detected. can anyone point me to a workable solution/workaround please?
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> usb devices as in flash-media? or other type devices?
[14:31] <alinux> hi trying to update some software on karmic, however I am getting W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> and I did do  sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5 but I am still getting the error
[14:32] <shadeslayer> !gpgerr
[14:33] <shadeslayer> alinux: ^^
[14:33] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, usb devices connected to usb ports are not detected. anything from usb thumb drives to usb mice
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> temporarytao:  Hmm..  thats odd.
[14:36] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, yeah. been having this problem for a week now. there's a bug report on it at launchpad but its still triaged (#455408). someone said to downgrade usbutils. i'm not really sure if its the one that should be touched
[14:37] <temporarytao> i'm thinking: what about the thing that replaced hal? maybe it has something to do with that.
[14:37] <alinux> shadeslayer, did as advised..still getting gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 437D05B5 && gpg --export --armor 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[14:37] <temporarytao> why i think this is because the loss of USB detection also came with the loss of the sleep function
[14:38] <shadeslayer> alinux: gnome or KDE ?
[14:38] <alinux> shadeslayer, KDE
[14:45] <zorael> Can someone with updated KDE packages try forcing their screen to dpms? 'xset dpms force off; sleep 5; xset dpms force on'. Mine just turns turns back on instantly and displays the brightness OSD
[14:46] <fausto> Hi guys, I installed karmic rc yesterday and found a serious bug, it won't boot without manually disabling usplash on the boot options. I wen't to report the bug but it was already reported (I added a few more comments and change the status to confirmed). But looks like that bug is lost in the noise of the bug tracker, there is anything I can do to call attention to it?
[14:47] <Dink> Hello, Whenever I start up karmic I lose all access to other tty's. When I CTRL-ALT-F1 etc I get a screen with funky colors and no access to term, is this is a known bug? I know people been having problems with usplash/gdm could it be related?
[14:48] <joaopinto> Dink, it's probably related to usplash, try booting without it
[14:48] <Dink> remove splash from kernel line ?
[14:49] <joaopinto> yes
[14:49] <Dink> ok will give it a shot
[14:49] <Caldavien> other than not officially released yet and "might break my system" any reason i shouldnt back up and install the rc yet?
[14:50] <joaopinto> Caldavien, no :)
[14:50] <Caldavien> and will i need to do a reinstall once final release comes out?
[14:50] <joaopinto> !final
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> 3We need to put that in the topic.. :)
[14:52] <Caldavien> ahh, but once its released will it change the about info to read final instead of rc so i can feel all warm and fuzzy about it?
[14:54] <gilos123> I need help getting my grub to be the bootloader again instead of win7 that I installed to a separate partition after installing 9.10 (on  a new drive)
[14:55] <gilos123> I tried this, but unsuccessful:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[15:01] <justin_> I just upgraded to Karmic, but clicked "Keep" instead of "Remove" for unsupported packages.. how can I remove all of those now??
[15:06] <peol> Anyone else experiencing their F1-F12 not working as expected? It just started happening after a huge update I pulled in last night. Not sure what to search on, "function keys" doesn't give me any relevant hits
[15:06] <peol> xev registers the key presses (as Help, Undo, Redo etc.) but they don't work either in desktop, apps or games
[15:08] <calm> hi guys.. i'm trying to force a 120hz refresh rate for my monitor when i launch a game in 640x480.. anyone know how do this?
[15:14] <i_is_broke> why is it, that one of the main programs for gnome is broken? you would think this close to a release date that they would have something like that fixed.?
[15:14] <calm> anyone ?
[15:15] <i_is_broke> calm, have you checked to see if that the monitor can even support them settings?
[15:15] <i_is_broke> and there is no way to change it xorg?
[15:15] <calm> yes i have checked
[15:16] <calm> i can get 120hz in 640x480 only
[15:16] <calm> i need it to switch to that when the resolution changes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:17] <i_is_broke> well i would google and see if there was a way to set it in a xorg config. would probably be my guess but someone else might have a better solution.
[15:17] <x-Na> i_is_broke, what is that "main program" your referring to?
[15:17] <i_is_broke> hi BluesKaj
[15:18] <i_is_broke> x-Na, ubuntu-desktop-environment
[15:18] <waylandbill> hello. is it possible to get broadcom 4312 going for a hdd installation?
[15:20] <i_is_broke> x-Na, i have kubuntu installed but i like some of the programs that gnome has, and usually install it as well, but with that package broken, it wont install all of it.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, pls explain ?
[15:20] <Heikki123> waylandbill: i have broadcom 4311
[15:21] <SunlessHalo> yo, I have a freshly installed Karmic amd64 on centrino1duo asus laptop... video drivers are on defaults, Kwin and Mplayer work fine, but OGL applications such as Tuxracer flicker badly... shall i change something or install catalysts?
[15:22] <waylandbill> it detects the card to use broadcom STA driver during live-cd session, but not when installed to hdd.
[15:22] <Heikki123> waylandbill: install bc43-fwcutter from synaptics
[15:22] <shadeslayer> is it possible to retrieve deleted files?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> via rm -rf ?
[15:23] <op65> just updated to 9.10 :)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, what graphics card ?
[15:23] <op65> nice boot splash
[15:24] <SunlessHalo> BluesKaj: integrated ATI Radeon Mobility X1450
[15:24] <SunlessHalo> from among the shitty old ones :\
[15:26] <op65> !ati
[15:28] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[15:28] <SunlessHalo> are you sure it will get better, BluesKaj?
[15:29] <op65> hmm, trying to install the driver for my ati card and its not accepting root authentication?
[15:29] <Heikki123> waylandbill: did you get it working? :)
[15:30] <Volkodav> grub2!
[15:30] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, it's the recommended driver for your card.
[15:30] <Heikki123> op65: are you trying to use command su?
[15:31] <waylandbill> Heikki123: I got b43-fwcutter installed from CD. copying the firmware file it needs. only have wireless on that system.
[15:31] <Heikki123> waylandbill: ok
[15:31] <op65> no, just using the hardware drivers in sysyem/admin
[15:31] <BluesKaj> BRB , gott areboot after all the updates
[15:31] <op65> system even
[15:31] <SunlessHalo> BluesKaj: how do I detect which driver & on what functionality level is being used now?
[15:31] <Heikki123> op65: and you gave your own password or something else (like a root password?)
[15:32] <op65> yeah, not accepting it?
[15:32] <Heikki123> ?
[15:32] <Heikki123> which one
[15:32] <op65> will try again
[15:32] <Heikki123> you use the same password that you use to login
[15:33] <op65> tells me there is a fglrx driver, when I activate it asks for my root password and it rejects it
[15:33] <op65> yes, same pw
[15:34] <Heikki123> the password is not called root password ;) by default ubuntu does not have a root password set, but anyhow...
[15:34] <Heikki123> op65: is it asking a password when you log in to ubuntu?
[15:34] <op65> well a password to do the root stuff as allwed :)
[15:34] <op65> no, straight in
[15:35] <Heikki123> you have probably forgotten the password then... but there is a way to get it back
[15:35] <Heikki123> or to set a new one
[15:35] <op65> nah, not forgotten :)
[15:35] <Heikki123> ok
[15:35] <op65> need the old one to reset that I guess :)
[15:35] <waylandbill> Heikki123: I got an unsupported phy error
[15:35] <op65> will try tho
[15:36] <Heikki123> waylandbill: i have never installed the driver manually
[15:36] <op65> nah, looks like the old password has got messed up?
[15:36] <Heikki123> so you can't plug a cable to the computer or something?
[15:36] <op65> will try caps or something
[15:36] <Heikki123> ok
[15:37] <eurythmia> has anyone else had any issues with mv freezing and "kill -9 <pid>" won't kill it?
[15:37] <waylandbill> Heikki123: the driver installed but doesn't look like it supports the card. I know on 9.04 it used sta, not b43
[15:37] <Heikki123> oh, ok
[15:38] <eurythmia> seems to me that if it's a bug, it's pretty deep down in the process manager, considering the POSIX specification states that SIGKILL cannot be ignored except by the init process.
[15:38] <op65> nope, its messed up, no bother, will do a clean install when 9.10 is released, might be bug tho?
[15:38] <waylandbill> odd that the live-cd knows to use that driver, but installation doesn't detect it. maybe does not install kernel module. dunno
[15:39] <Heikki123> it just says in the info that "It's written for BCM43xx driver files"
[15:39] <op65> update went tickerty boo, no problems
[15:39] <Heikki123> op65: wait
[15:39] <op65> kk
[15:39] <Heikki123> you do not need to do a clean install again
[15:40] <op65> azerty
[15:40] <op65> keyboard is ok
[15:40] <Heikki123> you can 1: start up with the livecd, 2: sudo su, 3: mount the root partition somewhere, chroot to it, passwd op64 (or whatever is your username)
[15:40] <waylandbill> installing bcmwl-kernel-source seems promising
[15:41] <op65> will try a reboot, never know
[15:41] <Heikki123> i don't think a reboot will do it ;)
[15:45] <waylandbill> and it worked. yeah!
[15:47] <op65> looks like password for sudo has got messed up somehow in the update?
[15:47] <op65> passwords for users are fine
[15:48] <op65> would have it been reset to a default during the update,
[15:49] <op65> np anyway, its not a production machine
[15:49] <op65> luckerly :)
[15:53] <op65> thanks all
[15:58] <soreau> Two worst problems I have with Karmic so far: No volume control for gnome-panel (?) and No icons only in the System menu list
[15:58] <soreau> Otherwise, things are working great! :)
[15:58] <penguin42> soreau: The icons are switchable
[15:58] <tgpraveen> soreau: the second one is a new feature
[15:58] <thiebaude> soreau, you can add icons
[15:58] <tgpraveen> to change go in appearance menu
[15:58] <thiebaude> yep
[15:58] <kelli> hi all
[15:59] <penguin42> system->preferences->appearance->interface->show icons in menu
[15:59] <penguin42> soreau: And I think the volume should be gnome-volume-control-applet
[16:00] <robin0800> penguin42: why these are not turned on by default?
[16:00] <tgpraveen> try to go in add applet and add
[16:00] <kelli> trying to work out how to print the play list from a music disc as the songs appear
[16:00] <penguin42> robin0800: Apparently it was a decision gnome made - I agree it's odd, so do many others
[16:01] <thiebaude> or drag and drop the sound from the menu to the panel
[16:01] <kelli> can any one help
[16:01] <thiebaude> fro the system menu
[16:03] <soreau> penguin42: thiebaude: Thanks, got my icons back
[16:04] <soreau> penguin42: But I can't seem to locate the volume-applet package (or anything named similar to that)
[16:04] <thiebaude> soreau, np,thanks also to penguin42
[16:04] <chathuraw> Hello. I installed Ubuntu Karmic RC. Later I installed windows. How can I recover the grub. The traditional method I used with grub 1.5 doesn't seem to work
[16:05] <thiebaude> soreau, did you try to drag and drop that sound item from the menu to the panel?
[16:06] <soreau> thiebaude: What sound item? I went to 'Add items to panel' from right click after noticing there is no volume control and can't seem to locate it there
[16:06] <thiebaude> soreau, system-preferences-sound
[16:07] <robin0800> soreau: if its there you can't remove it so i guess you can't add it either
[16:07] <soreau> thiebaude: Ok, what do I do there? (sound is working fine btw)
[16:07] <om26er> can i install two ubuntus on the same partition
[16:07] <thiebaude> soreau, right click on sound and drag it to the top panel
[16:08] <thiebaude> left click
[16:08]  * soreau only has a bottom panel :)
[16:08] <joaopinto> om26er, if you mean different versions, no, unless one of them is virtualized
[16:08] <robin0800> soreau: do you have a notification area?
[16:09] <om26er> joaopinto: 9.10-desktop and 9.10-moblin-remix
[16:09] <SunlessHalo> how can i inquire which video driver is in use and at what functionality level?
[16:09] <soreau> robin0800: hmm.. maybe I don't
[16:09] <thiebaude> soreau, add notifications
[16:09] <robin0800> soreau: add that then
[16:09] <soreau> Bingo
[16:10] <Polterge|st> does anyone know if ubuntu will be getting the kFreeBSD kernel any time soon ?
[16:10] <Polterge|st> I was just wondering because Squeeze is getting it and ubuntu is based upon debian
[16:10] <SunlessHalo> please
[16:10] <Polterge|st> and the package is in the repos so ...
[16:10] <soreau> Thanks robin0800 thiebaude ! :D
[16:11] <thiebaude> soreau, great
[16:11] <chathuraw> No one has an answer to my question? :(
[16:11] <Polterge|st> some questions are very elusive chathuraw
[16:11] <Polterge|st> heh
[16:12] <chathuraw> :D
[16:12] <chathuraw> Anyone have an idea to recover grub 2 after installing windows?
[16:12] <thiebaude> !grub
[16:12] <robin0800> chathuraw: some are easier
[16:12] <Polterge|st> I think there is a way you can do it from windows
[16:12] <soreau> chathuraw: Assuming you're using grub2? We could guess here all day or you could provide more details by being more specific in asking your question
[16:12] <Polterge|st> or ...
[16:12] <Polterge|st> you can do it from the live dvd
[16:12] <om26er> what does mean install side by side during installation??
[16:13] <Polterge|st> try using the live dvd
[16:13] <robin0800> !grub2
[16:13] <Polterge|st> find out where the partition is where you installed linux
[16:13] <Polterge|st> and then boot into the live dvd
[16:13] <thiebaude> om26er, install ubuntu next to windows
[16:13] <chathuraw> soreau: Recovering grub after installing windows :) The usual method isn't working
[16:13] <thiebaude> om26er, but on different partitions
[16:13] <Polterge|st> once in the live dvd try opening a terminal and type "fdisk -l"
[16:13] <Polterge|st> it will list your partition table
[16:13] <om26er> thiebaude: can i install ubuntu and ubuntu on the same partition
[16:13] <chathuraw> Poltergeist: Live CD asks for a username and password :|
[16:13] <Polterge|st> you can use that to maybe find where linux is installed
[16:13] <Polterge|st> chathuraw, just hit enter
[16:13] <chathuraw> ubottu: I'll check
[16:13] <Polterge|st> you don't have to use a user and pass
[16:14] <Polterge|st> and in order to use the terminal some commands will require sudo
[16:14] <soreau> chathuraw: That still doesn't tell which version of grub you;re using
[16:14] <thiebaude> om26er, whats the purpose of doing that?
[16:14] <drs305> om26er: It means it will install Ubuntu and keep Windows. They will be side by side.
[16:14] <chathuraw> Didn't work .. authentication faliure
[16:14] <Polterge|st> he is using .97 probably
[16:14] <Polterge|st> chathuraw, hit enter on user
[16:14] <Polterge|st> and on pass
[16:14] <chathuraw> soreau: The version that comess with Karmic RC
[16:14] <Polterge|st> for each hit enter
[16:14] <om26er> thiebaude: ubuntu9.10-desktop and ubuntu moblin remix
[16:14]  * soreau upgraded and is still using grub1
[16:14] <yermandu> i was using grub097 then in karmic install i update
[16:15] <thiebaude> om26er, i dont know, i never did a triple boot
[16:15] <yermandu> but can not bot another distros :/
[16:15] <Polterge|st> karmic comes with grub 2
[16:15] <om26er> can i install grub1 on karmic
[16:15] <thiebaude> i have done many dual boots
[16:15] <robin0800> chathuraw: see grub 2 info above
[16:15] <Polterge|st> although previous grub was .97
[16:15] <thiebaude> !grub2
[16:15] <Polterge|st> it gives you an option to do a chainloader upgrade of grub
[16:16] <thiebaude> om26er, maybe that helps
[16:16] <om26er> can i downgrade grub??
[16:16] <Polterge|st> yes
[16:16] <Polterge|st> I did that to my other machine
[16:16] <Polterge|st> if it doesn't boot just use the live dvd
[16:16] <chathuraw> ok. got the required info on the grub wiki
[16:16] <chathuraw> thanks guys
[16:16] <Polterge|st> mount the partition from the live dvd and fint your /boot folder
[16:16] <Polterge|st> find*
[16:17] <Polterge|st> and then use the grub on it to boot your partition
[16:17] <soreau> It's about time
[16:17] <yermandu> wow i will read
[16:17] <Polterge|st> once you are in you should reinstall the old grub from repos
[16:17] <chathuraw> soreau: :P
[16:17] <Polterge|st> and then remove the new grub
[16:17] <Polterge|st> apt-get remove
[16:17] <soreau> ok, time for me to go ;)
[16:17] <drs305> om26er: I don't recommend it, but here are instructions for "downgrading" grub   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Uninstalling%20GRUB%202
[16:17] <soreau> Thanks for all your help guys
[16:18] <Polterge|st> and make sure you do not forget to reinstall grub
[16:18] <Polterge|st> that howto shows you everything
[16:18] <yermandu> but in have problens try in isntall mount /boot (no format) in install
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I used it awhile back
 : Yeah should try that
[16:18] <om26er> when is the final release of grub2 coming
 This is a pain in the a**
[16:18] <Polterge|st> my other system would not boot into my distro with grub 2
[16:18] <Polterge|st> it is kind of a pain
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I know
[16:18] <om26er> probably near lucid lynx
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I really am hoping kFreeBSD will be ready sometimes soon for ubuntu
[16:19] <Polterge|st> I think it will become maybe the greatest distro around if they do that
[16:19] <yermandu> i suggest put lynx in programs to install mode
[16:19] <Polterge|st> also would not hurt to put an option to install from src code on the live dvd
[16:19] <Polterge|st> like an autoscript that detects hardware or tries to
[16:19] <Polterge|st> and then compiles
[16:19] <Polterge|st> for optimized base system stuff
[16:20] <Polterge|st> this way ubuntu beats arch or gentoo at its own game "and" has more apps
[16:20] <Polterge|st> and even would have the kFreeBSD kernel ... making it the most logical distro choice
[16:20] <Polterge|st> it already is but ...
[16:20] <penguin42> Polterge|st: Building from source is a fairly big job, you can rebuild any package you like like that if you really want, and maybe if you really want to do that it might be you just do it for the libraries
[16:21] <Polterge|st> penguin42, yeah I just meant if there was an automated script on the live dvd to compile the kernel from source automatically by hardware detection it would be pretty cool
[16:21] <gilos123> !pastebin
[16:21] <Polterge|st> that and all of the base packages  and apps since most of them have src code anway
[16:22] <gilos123> I'm having the same issue, installed win7 after ubuntu and when i try reinstalling grub I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/300646/
[16:23] <Polterge|st> in theory this could be done and it would mean an optimized ubuntu system that would run just as well as a gentoo box or arch box in terms of hardware speed. The main difference being that in ubuntu users would have much better hardware support and a huge support community for applications and a user friendly desktop environment
[16:23] <bazhang> gilos123, was win7 installed first
[16:23] <Polterge|st> it is just an idea anyway
[16:23] <bazhang> whoops
[16:23] <gilos123> nope, did 9.10 first on a new harddrive
[16:23] <Polterge|st> like an option
[16:23] <om26er> is there anything related with including grub2 beta and 10secs boottime in lucid lynx
[16:23] <gilos123> gave it about 100gb and then gave win7 about 100gb
[16:23] <bazhang> gilos123, bad reading skills my apologies
[16:24] <bazhang> gilos123, I had a similar issue when dual boot set up with karmic and win7
[16:24] <om26er> how much video memory will be good for just running karmic
[16:24] <Polterge|st> anyway though I will bbl. I wanted to find out about the kFreeBSD kernel but cannot find out anything anywhere about that regarding ubuntu
[16:24] <Polterge|st> om26er, 128 is good
[16:24] <Polterge|st> you don't need that much but that would be decent for compiz
[16:24] <Pyrometheus> thank god for karmic 9.04 was so slow for me =)
[16:24] <Polterge|st> 64 I think minimal for compiz
[16:25] <om26er> Polterge|st: what about without compiz?
[16:25] <Polterge|st> 32 maybe
[16:25] <Polterge|st> although I would still say if you had 32 mb of video ram you should run something like xfce or openbox
[16:25] <Polterge|st> a lightweight wm
[16:26] <bazhang> gilos123, the workaround I used was to boot from gparted livecd and create partitions for win7 and karmic, then install win7 followed by ubuntu
[16:26] <Polterge|st> om26er, if you can I recommend 256 mb of video ram or more for good performance with compiz
[16:26] <Polterge|st> if you can do that you will have no problems at all
[16:26] <Polterge|st> not with video anyway
[16:26] <bazhang> gilos123, win7 likes to create a separate 100 bootloader partition
[16:26] <om26er> Polterge|st: thanx for the info
[16:26] <bazhang> err 100 mb
[16:27] <Polterge|st> my other machine had ubuntu installed with 512 mb of video ram
[16:28] <thiebaude> Polterge|st, thats how much i have
[16:28] <gilos123> well I'm booted on a live CD right now, I'm thinking about trying the super grub boot cd
[16:28] <bazhang> gilos123, you did this from the grub prompt, correct ?
[16:28] <gilos123> yes
[16:29] <bazhang> odd
[16:29] <om26er> Polterge|st: how can i know my video memory in ubuntu
[16:29]  * om26er is using aspire one
[16:29] <XiXaQ> the last few days, I've been getting complaints about untrusted repositories. I haven't done anything with them. Is this a bug in karmic, or what?
[16:30] <XiXaQ> perhaps I've been hax0red?!
[16:30] <XiXaQ> :)
[16:30] <gilos123> I also tried the other option of doing a mount /media/root and installing it that way as suggested in the !grub but that failed with the same errors
[16:32] <om26er> how can i know my video ram
[16:32]  * om26er is using karmic
[16:32] <shadeslayer> !gpgerr | XiXaQ
[16:32] <bjsnider> go up and strike up a conversation with it
[16:33] <russlar> om26er: what card type? or are you using an integrated?
[16:33] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, I haven't added any repositories. These are the standard ones.
[16:33] <om26er> russlar: its integrated
[16:33] <shadeslayer> btw how do i find which server is best for me
[16:33] <om26er> russlar: gma950
[16:33] <russlar> om26er: it's sharing ram
[16:33] <XiXaQ> however, after running apt-get update again, the problem seems to have been resolved.
[16:33] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: then run the same command with key as 437D05B5
[16:33] <russlar> I don't know of a way to see exactly how much it's reserving
[16:34] <bjsnider> bios
[16:34] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, is this because karmic isn't released yet, or could it happen after release as well?
[16:34] <russlar> right forgot that
[16:34] <russlar> !me $ sudo make coffee
[16:35] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: no this isnt because karmic isnt released yer
[16:36] <thiebaude> russlar, your too far away,lol
[16:36] <gilos123> om26er: try lshw
[16:37] <Polterge|st> om26er, which video card are you using ?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> is it an onboard intel chipset ?
[16:37] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes onboard gma950
[16:37] <shadeslayer> how do i find the fastest server for me?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> ah
[16:37] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, then why does it happen? This would confuse and scare a lot of users.
[16:37] <Polterge|st> does it not say when you boot you computer ?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> or is it in a laptop ?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> (kpackagekit doesnt cut it)
[16:37] <russlar> thiebaude: wha?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> I have a similar chipset in my laptop om26er
[16:38] <Polterge|st> mine is like 1.5 gigabyte of shared memory with maybe 8 mb of onboard video ram
[16:38] <Polterge|st> yours is probably similar
[16:38] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes its a netbook
[16:38] <Polterge|st> and compiz and glx should work by default if that is the case
[16:38] <Polterge|st> because they worked beautifully on my laptop
[16:38] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, <countrycode>archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: it might be a small glitch,someone was experiencing the same thing earlier
[16:39] <Polterge|st> om26er, you might experience some window tearing
[16:39] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes the work great and far more better than jaunty
[16:39] <Polterge|st> that is the worst thing I can say about using compiz with the intel-xorg package
[16:39] <Polterge|st> other than that it works great
[16:39] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, a small glitch? "Your computer can no longer be trusted" (which is how I'd interpret it), is not a small glitch.
[16:40] <kevin123> have a flash glitch, can anyone help? going to paste the error when i open synaptics: "E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[16:40] <kevin123> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report." the package manager then shuts down
[16:40] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: haha...
[16:40] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: well idk since i dont maintain the servers
[16:40] <mzz> XiXaQ: I haven't seen that
[16:40] <Polterge|st> I am contemplating installing karmic again on my other machine
[16:40] <Polterge|st> it broke last time trying to do a dist upgrade
[16:40] <Polterge|st> the laptop has sidux and it works great but I am contemplating putting ubuntu studio on my other machine maybe
[16:40] <Polterge|st> I dunno yet
[16:41] <mzz> XiXaQ: I'm guesstimating a mirror-side glitch
[16:41] <Polterge|st> the machine is not a 64 bit system so it would not handle 64 bit I think
[16:41] <XiXaQ> mzz, suddenly, all my repos were unknown. I didn't touch them at all. when I tried to install upgrades, I received that message.. I don't remember it exactly, but you know which one I'm talking about.
[16:41] <XiXaQ> mzz, oh, ok.
[16:41] <mzz> XiXaQ: no, I don't
[16:41] <Polterge|st> the other alternative is to install arch on it but I do like ubuntu alot
[16:42] <mzz> XiXaQ: but I'd expect the signatures to be in a separate file, and I'm not sure what apt-get update does if that file doesn't download properly.
[16:42] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: yeah,im on the main server,no glitch here
[16:42] <mzz> XiXaQ: you're right though: don't mess around with what gpg keys are trusted
[16:44] <Polterge|st> anyhow bbl
[16:44] <tmroland> guys, how do i update my kubuntu beta to rc ?
[16:44] <bjsnider> just do the normal daily updates
[16:44] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[16:45] <bjsnider> use update manager
[16:45] <IdleOne> or use the update manager
[16:45] <tmroland> its broken.. sometimes it crashes and sometimes it says : you dont have the right privileges to do updates or something like that
[16:45] <shadeslayer> !upgrade | tmroland
[16:47] <rhosigma> need help installing karmic, can anyone help me?
[16:47] <|Dreams|> is it still better to disable ipv6 for increased speed in karmic?
[16:48] <russlar_> tmroland: if you're already on kubuntu beta, all you need to do is a sudoaptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[16:48] <rhosigma> can someone help me install please
[16:49] <mzz> !ask
[16:49] <mzz> rhosigma: that was for you, sort of
[16:49] <tmroland> guys, i tried apt-get update and upgrade , same with aptitude, all i get is Err http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Sources
[16:49] <tmroland>   500  Internal Server Error
[16:50] <om26er1> is gnome-shell future of ubuntu???
[16:50] <maco> not 10.04
[16:50] <maco> but 10.10., i guess so
[16:50] <robin0800> om26er1: no gnome3
[16:50] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work
[16:50] <rhosigma> is there a command line?
[16:50] <maco> robin0800: i thought shell *was* gnome3?
[16:51] <crashflow> the 9.10 kubuntu release candidate live dvd won't load on my computer. i have been running 8.10 since its release and it works fine. however, 9.10 just does not work. is my system no longer supported? (samsung r41 laptop, ca. 2007)
[16:51] <om26er1> robin0800: gnome-shell will be the user interface so
[16:51] <robin0800> maco: so gnome say
[16:51] <bjsnider> gnome-shell/mutter will replace gnome-panel/metacity in gnome 3 but it is available as a preview in 2.28
[16:51] <om26er1> at the moment gnome shell don't seem to be looking attractive
[16:52] <tmroland> russlar: i get Err http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Sources
[16:52] <tmroland>   500  Internal Server Error when running apt-get update and same when doing upgrade
[16:52] <rhosigma> anyone?
[16:52] <maco> rhosigma: sudo ubiquity?
[16:53] <robin0800> om26er1: works OK here but its obvious its not finished yet
[16:53] <russlar> tmroland: loks liek there's a problem with that repository
[16:53] <russlar> tmroland: can you try another one?
[16:53] <tmroland> yes trying
[16:53] <om26er1> robin0800: it should compete with win7 or mac
[16:53] <lfaraone> When I run speaker-test, the sound plays, but gradually gets softer and softer until it falls below my range of hearing. Is this a pulse audio bug, and if so, how do I debug it?
[16:54] <rhosigma> nope
[16:54] <russlar> bjsnider: great! y'all can have the same amount of fun KDE users had early last year!
[16:54] <dtchen> lfaraone: not enough context
[16:55] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work, is there a command to run the installer?
[16:55] <bjsnider> russlar, i don't think so, sir. gnome-shell is good. kde is not.
[16:55] <dtchen> lfaraone: first you need to bypass PA: speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0
[16:55] <lfaraone> dtchen: "Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy"
[16:56] <tmroland> russlar: where can i see what is changed in rc compared to beta?
[16:56] <dtchen> lfaraone: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0
[16:56] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work, is there a command to run the installer?
[16:56] <oorah> when will the array.org kernel be out for karmic?
[16:57] <lfaraone> dtchen: okay, like before, it starts out loud, but gradually gets quieter.
[16:57] <rhosigma> wow, great support
[16:57] <lfaraone> dtchen: rerunning the command immediately after killing it doesn't produce any sound, but when I wait a minute or so it repeats the above behavior.
[16:57] <rhosigma> sarcasm
[16:57] <bjsnider> dtchen, is there a known bug right now in nforce/nvidia sound chips, like a showstopper? somebody was in here a few nights ago complaining about it just after a clean install
[16:57] <fwaokda> I'm trying to set up this Ubuntu One to try it out... is it possible to set it up to monitor a folder on my computer and upload any changes?
[16:57] <drs305> rhosigma: I'm booting a live cd at the moment to get you the command. hold on.
[16:57] <lfaraone> rhosigma: well, if it doesn't work, report a bug on it.
[16:58] <maco> drs305: i already told him it
[16:58] <maco> i think his cd's just fubar
[16:58] <maco> also, is gone
[16:58] <drs305> Ok, well I think he's gone anyway.
[16:58] <drs305> Yep.
[16:58] <dtchen> lfaraone: no, that's not a PA issue, then. That's either an ALSA issue or a hw issue.
[16:59] <lfaraone> dtchen: I see. How would I go about bypassing ALSA? :P
[16:59] <russlar> !rc | tmroland
[16:59] <russlar> tmroland: the RC is a stability upgrade to the beta
[16:59] <dtchen> lfaraone: build OSS4 :p
[16:59] <tmroland> changelog?
[16:59] <russlar> tmroland: new features were frozen at the beta, the RC was about fixing bugs
[16:59] <yermandu> ok i want install grub in another partition, how i can do this?
[17:00] <dtchen> bjsnider: really not enough context?
[17:00] <oorah> when will the array.org kernel be out for karmic?
[17:00] <oorah> ubottu says funny stuff sometimes lol
[17:00] <dtchen> bjsnider: I mean, I have a ton of "nvsound bugs" in my head, but I have no way of telling which one is relevant
[17:01] <oorah> what is bot abuse?
[17:01] <bjsnider> dtchen, well basically he had no sound at all just after a clean install using an nforce board with an nvidia sound chip. he says he filed a bug about it. i just thought it was hard to believe the driver could be that bad
[17:01] <BlouBlou> hi, what can I do for be emapthy's logo in gnome's bar? like pidgin in ubuntu 9.04
[17:01] <drs305> yermandu: You are running Grub 2?
[17:01] <maco> oorah: usin the bot in the channel for no good reason
[17:01] <yermandu> sad, but yes
[17:01] <lfaraone> dtchen: basically, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound ? (purge pulseaudio, blacklist alsa, etc?)
[17:01] <dtchen> bjsnider: did he give a bug number?
[17:02] <bjsnider> yes, but i don't remember what it was. would have been filed only a few days ago
[17:02] <dtchen> lfaraone: if it's an install you don't mind blowing away, sure
[17:02] <tmroland> what does 'uname -r' say in rc?
[17:02] <dtchen> 2.6.31-14-foo
[17:02] <lfaraone> tmroland: 2.6.31-10-generic
[17:02] <maco> bjsnider: nah, thats a common issue, but each "no sound" has to be investigated separately since theyll almost all require different fixes
[17:02] <BlouBlou> hello?
[17:02] <tmroland> welll i got 2.6.31-11 in beta so hows that even possible
[17:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: uh, we're on  .14?
[17:03] <yermandu> drs305, y /dev/sda2 is my old boot, before the ubuntu instalation, i just want boot my other linux distro
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: 14.48, yes
[17:03] <maco> bjsnider: well..."unmute it" is one surprisingly common fix, but eh...
[17:03] <bjsnider> maco, it is common to have no sound at all on a clean install??
[17:03] <bjsnider> that ain't not no good
[17:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: something must be wrong with my install then...
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: cf. /proc/version_signature
[17:03] <maco> bjsnider: not common as in "majority" but as in "there are a lot of bugs filed for htat for various hardware"
[17:03] <tmroland> damn us server... i get under 100kbytes download
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: RC or newer?
[17:04] <lfaraone> dtchen: well, yeah, I'm on the MIT karmic repos.
[17:04] <dtchen> if so, probably the "grub didn't update the kernel entries" symptom
[17:04] <dtchen> desktop systems should be running Ubuntu 2.6.31-14.48-generic
[17:04] <lfaraone> well, that might explain my sound problem <_<;
[17:04] <drs305> yermandu: the command is   sudo grub-setup /dev/sdX   That puts it in the MBR. If you designate a partition it will issue a warning. It can be done but apparently the devs don't like it.
[17:05] <bjsnider> maco, but the distro isn't supposed to start muted right?
[17:05] <lfaraone> bjsnider: it isn't, no.
[17:05] <dtchen> bjsnider: no
[17:05] <maco> dtchen: there are still some codecs where a warm reboot from a muted windows will make the sound card stay muted, right?
[17:06] <dtchen> maco: difficult to pinpoint whether it's just the codec at fault. Sometimes it's both the codec and the BIOS at fault.
[17:06] <robin0800> bjsnider: run alsmixer in a terminal see if any thing is muted etc
[17:06] <drs305> yermandu: I'll be back in half an hour if you have questions.
[17:06] <maco> dtchen: lovely
[17:07] <yermandu> tnx
[17:07] <lfaraone> dtchen: is there a workaround/bug number for that grub issue?
[17:07] <dtchen> lfaraone: don't know
[17:08] <dtchen> there should be; it has happened to a bunch of people dist-upgrading from 9.04
[17:08] <shadeslayer> anyone on kde?
[17:08] <maco> shadeslayer: aye
[17:08] <shadeslayer> maco: ok try this : killall plasma-desktop;plasma-desktop;
[17:08] <maco> lfaraone: could probably manually update menu.lst...
[17:08] <maco> lfaraone: in the short term
[17:08] <shadeslayer> maco: then zoom out and click configure plasma
[17:09] <lfaraone> maco: there isn't a menu.lst in grub2.
[17:09] <maco> shadeslayer: this wont work with me. i dont use kwin and that zoom in/out stuff depends heavily on it
[17:09] <shadeslayer> maco: do you have the "Have Seprate Dashboard" checkbox checked?
[17:09] <maco> lfaraone: or whatever its called?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:09] <shadeslayer> anyone else?
[17:09] <tmroland> is there a faster better performance fs than ext4, usable on linux?
[17:10] <maco> shadeslayer: if youre checking a bug, you can try #kubuntu-devel
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apparantely the checkbox gets ticked all by itself
[17:10] <om26er1> tmroland: not usable still but btrfs
[17:10] <mzz> tmroland: there are other filesystems. You'd have to benchmark to find out if they're faster for your workload.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> maco: im just verifying that the problem is not just with my system
[17:10] <JackD> why go for upstart and grub2 i wonder
[17:10] <scott_ino2> karmic is running pretty well only have two issues with it right now: something is causing my boot to hang a little, thus resulting in longer boot times from jaunty.
[17:10] <dtchen> lfaraone: /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which should populate the kernel entries via /etc/grub.d/10_linux
[17:10] <mzz> tmroland: btrfs isn't really ready for primetime yet, but depending on your workload reiserfs or xfs might be faster or slower
[17:11] <russlar> tmroland: I've heard that XFS can be faster, but it also has a reputatuion for being less stable
[17:11] <fwaokda> I'm trying to set up this Ubuntu One to try it out... is it possible to set it up to monitor a folder on my computer and upload any changes?
[17:11] <russlar> mzz: I ran reiserfs for a long while. gotta say it's pretty killer
[17:12] <maco> shadeslayer: well ive already played with those checkboxes, so mine are unchecked. by zoom in/out doesnt work without kwin, i mean i cant choose which it'll zoom into when i choose to zoom in. itll just go to whichever it was on at login time. which it logs in on, however, varies
[17:12] <mzz> russlar: yes, it can kill your data!
[17:12]  * mzz ducks
[17:12] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, running a jaunty partition and a karmic partition ?
[17:12] <soreau> So.. this version of firefox in karmic doesn't save flv (ie. youtube) videos to /tmp/Flash*..
[17:12] <russlar> mzz: but it will eventually tell you where it went!
[17:12] <maco> soreau: theyre just in /tmp
[17:12] <russlar> !me is goign to hell
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: do you have kwin at all?
[17:13] <maco> russlar: trying to retrain the bot to a misspelling?
[17:13] <soreau> Oh, tab auto-complete wasn't showing them
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: maybe you can run kwin for the testing part?
[17:13] <russlar> maco: no, but it did forward that to ubuntu-ops...
[17:13] <maco> shadeslayer: yes, but id have to log out to change window managers :(
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: ugh...
[17:13] <maco> russlar: yes.... all "retrain the bot" attempts go there
[17:13] <BluesKaj> soreau, install youtube-dl
[17:14] <shadeslayer> maco: ok then,ill wait for someone to come by and help me :)
[17:14] <BluesKaj> !youtube-dl | soreau
[17:14] <BluesKaj> !info youtube-dl
[17:14] <soreau> BluesKaj: heh, thx but I use it for other flash too
[17:14] <yermandu> !info grub2
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok ,but it works well
[17:14] <soreau> Is there a way to rearrange the order of the in-tray applets/icons?
[17:15] <dtchen> maco: err, no, just kill xmonad and start kwin from Terminator
[17:15] <soreau> I want the wif to be to the left and volume to be all the way to the right
[17:15] <soreau> s/wif/network icon
[17:15] <ernstp> soreau, no, pretty sure there's not
[17:16] <maco> dtchen: really? restarting xmonad will be nasty though, wont it?
[17:16] <dtchen> maco: potentially
[17:16] <soreau> Well is there a way to remove icons/applets from the notification tray?
[17:16] <ernstp> soreau, it's based on the order they start
[17:16] <robin0800> soreau: no and no
[17:16] <soreau> hmm
[17:16] <ernstp> soreau, startup applications?
[17:16] <soreau> That kinda sucks
[17:16] <soreau> ernstp: Thanks for that info though
[17:17]  * soreau killall's nm-applet
[17:17]  * yermandu killeverthing grub2
[17:18]  * robin0800 killall ubuntu RC
[17:18] <shadeslayer> maco: kdebase-workspace-bin
[17:18] <shadeslayer> oops
[17:18] <soreau> What is the name of the tray applet that tells you a hard disk is failing? :o
[17:18] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/459867
[17:18] <shadeslayer> soreau: HDAPS ?
[17:19] <mac_v> sobersabre: disk utility
[17:19] <mac_v> ooops! soreau ^
[17:19] <om26er> what needs to be done to compete ubuntu with mac or windows visually. the software side of ubuntu is awesome and also the drivers
[17:20] <russlar> om26er: have you looked at KDE recently?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> om26er: sell ubuntu @ 1$
[17:20] <shadeslayer> then use the money to market it more :P
[17:21] <russlar> shadeslayer: pre-installed on laptops in best buy
[17:21] <om26er> russlar: using kde means not using ubuntu to me
[17:21] <Noah0504> Anyone else having trouble getting Grub to install on a RAID array period?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> om26er: oh and KDE just beats the hell out of Win 7
[17:21] <om26er> i love gnome
[17:21] <om26er> gnome is linux man
[17:21] <russlar> om26er: fair enough
[17:21] <shadeslayer> om26er: yeah,youll be getting gnome 3 soon
[17:22] <om26er> gnome cannot be compared to any WM
[17:22] <lemonade> Noah0504: didin't have any trouble
[17:23] <Noah0504> lemonade: May I ask how your RAID is setup?
[17:23] <C-S-B_> is RC out yet?
[17:23] <Noah0504> C-S-B_:  Yes.
[17:23] <soreau> mac_v: Cool, thanks
[17:23] <robin0800> C-S-B_: yes
[17:23] <C-S-B_> (pardon my complete lack of googling
[17:23] <Noah0504> Haha.
[17:23] <C-S-B_> thankyou Noah0504, robin0800
[17:23] <aurolac> anyone using a MSI Wind?
[17:23] <russlar> !karmic | C-S-B_
[17:24] <lemonade> Noah0504: / = raid1, /home = raid1
[17:24] <C-S-B_> Just wondering what state my install was in.
[17:24] <lemonade> Noah0504: first one has grub, naturally
[17:24] <lemonade> grub2, i mean
[17:24] <C-S-B_> So my dist-upgrade should bump me up to rc
[17:24] <russlar> yup
[17:24] <Noah0504> I had a RAID1 = /boot and RAID5 = /
[17:24] <Pyrometheus> update-manager updates to rc automatically ?
[17:24] <Pyrometheus> oh k
[17:24] <shadeslayer> C-S-B_: lsb_release -a
[17:25] <Noah0504> Worked under 9.04, but .10 just won't install it.
[17:25] <lemonade> Noah0504: did you try grub2?
[17:26] <Noah0504> lemonade: I think that's what it was trying to install by default.
[17:26] <Noah0504> Well, it did prompt me, but yes.
[17:26] <ixian_> Is there a known problem with the installation in 9.10 NetbookRemix? Once I get to the part where you enter your name/password, I can't type anything in the boxes. The system is not hung, and I can still click back, quit, etc. I'm on a Dell Mini 10v
[17:26] <Pyrometheus> anything good in grub 2 ?
[17:26] <C-S-B_> anyone know if theres a fix for the acer one not detecting the removal of power cord and not going into standby?
[17:30] <lemonade> Noah0504: ok, perhaps you should try grub-legacy - i guess you could install it atleast from 9.04 livecd
[17:30] <lemonade> dunno if 9.10 has it anymore
[17:30] <_akahige_> if a ppa has been added properly, and I do an "apt-get update" should there be any indication that the ppa has been read during the update?
[17:30] <Noah0504> I'll give everything another shot and see how things go!
[17:31] <lemonade> Noah0504: sure thing
[17:31] <maco> _akahige_:  ppa.launchad.net will fly by...
[17:31] <lemonade> good luck
[17:31] <Noah0504> Ha.  Always fun to conquer a new problem!
[17:31] <Noah0504> lemonade: Thanks.
[17:32] <_akahige_> maco: I just mean looking at the scrollback in the terminal window. I'm trying to work out a video driver issue, and near as I can tell, my machine doesn't seem to want to access the ppa (thefirstm)
[17:33] <maco> _akahige_: if you see anything in the output of apt-get update referencing ppa.launchpad.net, its in there
[17:33] <DanaG> Dang, I wish somebody had an R600-KMS ppa.
[17:33] <_akahige_> maco: okay. thanks. there must be something else going on, then
[17:34] <om26er> is intel driver at its best or still its a long way to go?
[17:34] <httpdss> just installed karmic on an acer 5320 and im getting http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300696 and as a results of that, the laptop turn off. any way i can fix this ?? other version of ubuntu worked fine (this karmic beta is a clean install)
[17:36] <penguin42> httpdss: Does it sounds like it's actually running the fan?
[17:36] <httpdss> penguin42: nope, i just hear the sound of the harddrive but fan never activates
[17:37] <om26er> httpdss: did u tried live cd boot
[17:37] <penguin42> httpdss: Well, assuming your machine was OK before I think you need to submit a bug
[17:37] <httpdss> penguin42: is there any command to force that behaviour ?
[17:37] <penguin42> maybe but I dob't know it
[17:38] <om26er> does any1 here think that there should be only one media player in ubuntu for audio+video
[17:39] <httpdss> penguin42: ok! i'll do that ... between the installation and until i did a dist-upgrade, just after grub started i could see a message saying something like... found acer 5320, BIOS not supported
[17:39] <robin0800> om26er: yes but not rhythmbox
[17:39] <penguin42> om26er: I think at the moment people use them differently; for example you tend to leave a music player playing tracks by itself, where video you select a track and play it and watch it
[17:40] <robin0800> om26er: songbird audio vlc video
[17:41] <maco> lunks: im filing a bug for karmic
[17:41] <om26er> robin0800: totem is great with a few new features if added
[17:41] <maco> because i did have this working in jaunty
[17:41] <om26er> vlc cannot be given out of box
[17:41] <lunks> maco, ok, could you lend me the link after you submitted it?
[17:42] <robin0800> om26er: totem replay gain?
[17:42] <om26er> robin0800: totem2.30 is expected to be a master piece
[17:43] <robin0800> om26er: will it have or has it got replay gain?
[17:44] <om26er> robin0800: i don't know about that but you should request it at bugzilla.gnome
[17:45] <om26er> robin0800: video seeking in totem when using gstreamer is realtime vlc is very slow in that
[17:45] <fwaokda> I have a MSI WInd U100 and frequently Ubuntu gets in a state where it goes between two brightness settings until finally after maybe 3 mins it stops... anyone know of  a fix for this?
[17:45] <mauri> my parttition manager is not able to mange usb external 1Tb hd, why?
[17:45] <robin0800> om26er: rhymthbox has cept its broke and has been for ages and yes I did file a bug
[17:46] <maco> lunks: set the compose key to altgr
[17:46] <maco> lunks: er to right alt
[17:46] <om26er> rhythmbox don't sync ipod
[17:46] <maco> lunks: and unset 3rd level chooser
[17:46] <om26er> banshee or amarok do
[17:46]  * penguin42 has been using exaile for a while - it does work, not that fast though
[17:47] <om26er> penguin42: exaile is default audio player in xubuntu
[17:47] <russlar> mauri: which partition manager are you using?
[17:47] <robin0800> om26er: ive just switched to songbird from amarok
[17:47] <penguin42> om26er: Oh cool
[17:47] <fwaokda> scratch that does it for like 5mins +
[17:48] <lunks> maco, w00t, it works :) I wish I did not have to use it initially, but it seems it's the best option. :)
[17:48] <om26er> why does ubuntu not make a DVD with different desktop environments and different apps
[17:48] <om26er> like fedora do
[17:49] <penguin42> om26er: Once you've installed one it's easy to install any others you want to try
[17:49] <om26er> penguin42: downloading and then install time
[17:50] <penguin42> sure
[17:50] <robin0800> penguin42: esspecialy if you start with ubuntu
[17:51] <shadeslayer> 22:18 < om26er> like fedora do
[17:51] <shadeslayer> 22:19 < penguin42> om26er: Once you've installed one it's easy to install any others you want to try
[17:51] <om26er> which telepathy is used for yahoo accounts
[17:51] <shadeslayer> woops
[17:51] <shadeslayer> sorry for that
[17:51] <maco> lunks: thank dtchen ;) he told me to use compose
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> hi
[17:51]  * penguin42 confiscates shadeslayer's middle button
[17:51] <shadeslayer> my touchpad is going crazy
[17:51]  * shadeslayer doesnt have one
[17:51] <lunks> dtchen, thank you ;)
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> any karmi koala ruin my sound, but it stop in the middle of the update for nvidia packahe
[17:51] <mauri> russlar: no errors. fdisk -l recognize correctly the partition conteined in it
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> so, where i can download a torrnte for the RC/
[17:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: synaptic touchpads are jumpy :P
[17:52] <russlar> mauri: let's keep this in #kubuntu
[17:52] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh there are a whole load of setting syou can try on them though
[17:52] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10
[17:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: yeah,they supposedly support multi touch
[17:53] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, thanks, no torrent downlaod?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> DonaldShimoda: theyre on that site
[17:53] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/rc/
[17:54] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[17:54] <shadeslayer> !torrent | DonaldShimoda : i think
[17:54] <DonaldShimoda> theres not for the alternate install
[17:54] <jdsbluedevl> hi, can somebody tell me when VLC is finally going to be fixed?
[17:54] <DonaldShimoda> and i need alternate because i use software raid, not supported by standard install :(
[17:55] <bjv> When i remove my old pata drive & reboot, my OS drive shifts from /dev/sdb to sda
[17:55] <bjv> rendering my system unbootable
[17:55] <bjv> dropping me to an initramfs prompt
[17:56] <bjv> so i need to edit my... grub config, then rebuild the initrd?
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> the rc adn the final release are the same rigth? or im wrong
[17:56] <yermandu> drs305, ping
[17:56] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: i cannot open this page can u
[17:56] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[17:56] <drs305> hey yermandu
[17:56] <bjv> i dont see a /boot/grub/menu.lst   or the right file in /etc/default/grub
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, yes i can
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, but early today i cannot
[17:57] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: you got torrent
[17:57] <om26er> ubuntu servers are very slow now a days
[17:58] <om26er> since  beta i guess
[17:58] <bjv> any help here?
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i neede alternat install , the torrents there are the standard install
[17:58] <bjv> i'd like to be able to boot this machine.
[17:58] <om26er> any1 using ubuntu moblin remix
[17:58] <yermandu> i was using grub 0.97 before the install ubuntu
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> i'm downloading the alternate iso at full speed, lucky me!
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> ;)
[17:59] <yermandu> and now im using grub2 (ubuntu install for me) drs305
[17:59] <om26er> and Ubuntu Moblin Remix user
[17:59] <yermandu> The Problem is i can not boot another distros :(
[17:59] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, my update fails cause nvidia driver... it install but not sound and some problems
[17:59] <om26er> but i am getting just 90kb/s
[17:59] <yermandu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300721/
[17:59] <Cyberkilla> Hello, could someone direct me to the usplash irc channel, if one exists?
[17:59] <Cyberkilla> I'm trying to get a bug report noticed, because it's years old and has not been assigned, in spite of it being confirmed and set to medium priority
[17:59] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i will try a fresh install, and cross my fingersss
[18:00] <yermandu> take a look drs305 , see if can help me
[18:00] <drs305> yermandu: Have you run "sudo update-grub" since you installed it. Sometimes it works AFTER the install.
[18:00] <Cyberkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/67826
[18:01] <shadeslayer> anyone whose been able to get a resolution in a tty by adding vga=vgavalue in grub 2?
[18:01] <om26er> why are there blinkin dots before and after usplash the boot should be clean
[18:01] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i find a torrent for the alternate install!
[18:02] <DonaldShimoda> great!
[18:02] <yermandu> reboot
[18:02] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: i was downloading UMR 20091024
[18:03] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: how many users are in this channel can you see
[18:03] <Cyberkilla> 383 users
[18:03] <om26er> great
[18:04] <om26er> they will increase to a 1000 in a month
[18:04] <om26er> or even before
[18:04] <russlar> om26er: nah, once karmic is released, they'll move to #ubuntu
[18:04] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, in this channel?
[18:04] <om26er> ya
[18:04] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, 379
[18:04] <om26er> russlar: what will happen to jaunty ubuntu-1?
[18:05] <russlar> that'll be for jaunty then
[18:05] <om26er> ok
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> Anybody know how to get bug reports dealt with? I don't know whether anybody is looking at this one...
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/67826
[18:05] <russlar> and intrepid wil be teh #dude... upgrade already! chanel
[18:05] <om26er> empathy is lacking many irc features
[18:05] <om26er> many
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> irssi is the best irc client:P
[18:06] <shadeslayer> om26er: irssi ftw
[18:07] <om26er> Cyberkilla: empathy comes with karmic ha
[18:07]  * DanaG uses pidgin with irchelper.
[18:07] <IdleOne> Cyberkilla: status is confirmed and importance is medium. someone has looked at it
[18:07] <frybye> om26er: which is no real problem - when "Konversation" is so easy to get + install..?
[18:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the first-run wizard in empathy... doesn't even OFFER IRC!
[18:08] <DanaG> How are livecd users supposed to connect to IRC?  With pidgin, it was easy... start it, and tell it to create an IRC account.
[18:08] <om26er> i like it that they replcaed pidgin with empathy
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: Somebody looked at it years ago:P But not recently, it seems.
[18:08] <DanaG> Empathy sucks for my uses.  Too un-tweakable.  Too many missing features.
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: It is not assigned to anyone. Shouldn't somebody from usplash dev have picked it up by now? I mean, it's years old! I suspect it is a bit depth issue.
[18:09] <yermandu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300721/
[18:09] <IdleOne> Cyberkilla: that is a 8.10 bug
[18:09] <IdleOne> probably fixed
[18:09] <zer0x> Where do I Re-enable the grub2 timeout? This is VERY annoying
[18:09] <lemonade> zer0x: /etc/default/grub
[18:10] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: It's not fixed though. There have been several comments added in the past month. I'd post another bug, but it would probably be flagged as a duplicate of this one.
[18:10] <zer0x> lemonade: is it GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true, to false? or 0?
[18:10] <zer0x> why they disabled the timer I have no idea!?
[18:10] <om26er> lucid lynx will include BTRFS as default FS??
[18:11] <DanaG> I'm glad Ubuntu disabled flat-volumes... the logic is horribly, horribly confusing.
[18:11] <lemonade> zer0x: for ex. GRUB_TIMEOUT=3
[18:11] <DanaG> In PulseAudio, that is.
[18:11] <DanaG> And if it claims to be "like Vista".... well, it's wrong.
[18:11] <lemonade> remove the comment before it
[18:11] <zer0x> lemonade: its set to 10 allready! but it does not wait!
[18:11] <lemonade> does that line have # in the front?
[18:11] <zer0x> lemonade: nope not commented
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
[18:12] <lemonade> ah ok
[18:12] <lemonade> so comment out that first row
[18:12] <lemonade> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[18:12] <lemonade> to #GRUB_HIDDEN...
[18:12] <om26er> is there any forum official forum about lucid lynx
[18:12] <lemonade> and then sudo update-grub
[18:12] <maco> om26er: not yet
[18:13] <zer0x> lemonade: ok, I'll give that a go, cheers :D
[18:13] <bjsnider> om26er, no it will not
[18:13] <bjsnider> ext4
[18:13] <om26er> bjsnider: even if its stable??
[18:13] <zer0x> lemonade: oh, could I not set hidden_timeout=0 to 10 instead?
[18:14] <lemonade> it doesn't matter when you have it commented out
[18:14] <zer0x> I mean instead of commenting it out :D
[18:15] <lemonade> dunno :D i have it that way
[18:15] <zer0x> I don't mind the 10 second wait being hidden :D
[18:15] <DanaG> 10 is a bit long... I have my (visible menu) timeout set to 4 seconds.
[18:15] <zer0x> true, less would be fine :D I'll try it now... I am quite annoyed that they disabled the timeout by default!
[18:16] <zer0x> what if you had issues on your first boot!?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> where are the splash screen theme files located , I've tried installing several , but only 5 will actaully list in system settings>appearance>splash screen
[18:17] <zer0x> I am in a bad mood today though.. I should ban myself from human contact :D
[18:19] <bjsnider> om26er, it will not be stable
[18:19] <bjsnider> for years
[18:19] <Pyrometheus> is 10.04 going to contain gnome 3 ?
[18:20] <russlar> Pyrometheus: probably not
[18:20] <russlar> Pyrometheus: 10.04 is goign to be LTS
[18:20] <Cyberkilla> : (
[18:20] <Pyrometheus> ah
[18:20] <Pyrometheus> too bad
[18:20] <Cyberkilla> Is there a usplash channel?
[18:20] <russlar> and kubuntu 8.04 didn't include kde4, due to its newness
[18:22] <russlar> well, my upgrade just crashed
[18:23] <russlar> time to go restore
[18:27] <tarja> how is the karmic beta?
[18:28] <Jeruvy> its in RC now :)
[18:29] <bazhang> tarja, its RC now , see the /topic
[18:30] <tarja> yeah RC i mean
[18:31] <xorred> hello
[18:31] <evelina> here is the place where i should ask for help regarding ubuntu 9.10?
[18:31] <evelina> :) hello
[18:31] <aj_444> It is.
[18:31] <evelina> ok
[18:31] <evelina> so, i just installed the rc
[18:31] <tarja> how is it?
[18:32] <evelina> after an installation of windows 7, updated grub, found the entry for windows
[18:32] <yermandu> i desist of grubw
[18:32] <evelina> but
[18:32] <evelina> when i try to boot in windows
[18:32] <yermandu> can i remove grub2
[18:32] <evelina> the grub halts with "GRUB_"
[18:32] <yermandu> and install grub097
[18:32] <evelina> black screen
[18:32] <Pyrometheus> no error msg ?
[18:32] <evelina> nop
[18:33] <Pyrometheus> tried windows recovery disk incase its windows?
[18:33] <aj_444> I'm running the beta of 9.10, and want to upgrade to the RC. How do I do that?
[18:33] <evelina> is not windows
[18:33] <xorred> sound problem on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1299821 - 9.10 RC
[18:33] <evelina> i tried to recover the system from the dvd
[18:33] <evelina> it says there are no problems
[18:34] <evelina> but grub2 can't boot into it
[18:34] <evelina> it's a fresh install
[18:34] <xorred> evelina: on the dvd of windows, recovery console, then recover from recovery console
[18:34] <xorred> open the console and recover the boot record from there
[18:34] <xorred> don't just use the GUI it doesn't work
[18:34] <evelina> i don't know very well how to do that on windows...
[18:35] <xorred> google for restore vista boot record command line
[18:35] <evelina> ok
[18:35] <evelina> i'll try
[18:35] <xorred> bcedit something... I forgot
[18:35] <evelina> i'll get back to you to tell you the result :)
[18:35] <evelina> thanks
[18:35] <BluesKaj> dcdedit'
[18:36] <BluesKaj> oops bcdedit
[18:36] <xorred> Now type bootrec.exe and press Enter. This will rebuild the boot configuration data and hopefully fix your problem. You can also run the command with switches to fix just the master boot record (/fixmbr), the boot sector (/fixboot), or rebuild the entire BCD (/rebuildbcd).
[18:36] <om26er> window border in ubuntu should be flat?
[18:36] <evelina> ok, super, i'll try that
[18:36] <evelina> thanks guys
[18:36] <xorred> evelina, try all 3
[18:36] <xorred> bootrec.exe, then with /fixboot and with /fixmbr
[18:36] <xorred> bootrec.exe /fixmbr etc
[18:37] <xorred> now... if anyone could help me out :)
[18:37] <om26er> human theme window border whould be flat not round
[18:37] <om26er> should
[18:37] <xorred> sound problem on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1299821 - 9.10 RC
[18:37] <evelina> going to try it out, i hate windows but i need it for work otherwise i'm ***
[18:38] <Pyrometheus> you could always run windows inside ubuntu
[18:38] <xorred> too late
[18:38] <k5ehx> in 9.04 programs could minimize themselves into a sort of "tray" at the top panel. On upgrading to 9.10 this has disappeared. Where should I start for resolving this?
[18:38] <Pyrometheus> ah :p
[18:38] <lfaraone> k5ehx: it's disabled since it's considered bad usability
[18:38] <om26er> have any1 tried virtualization in aspire one
[18:38] <lfaraone> k5ehx: which application do you want to change, specifically?
[18:39] <om26er> which virtualization program is lite
[18:39] <xorred> aspire one - no virtualization
[18:39] <xorred> forget it
[18:39] <k5ehx> lfaraone: several, transmission, calibre
[18:39] <Noah0504> lemonade: Still around?
[18:39] <k5ehx> I also have no volume icon, can't figure out how to get that back
[18:39] <KyleS> ugh, amd64 the bane of my existance :(
[18:39] <om26er> xorred: i tried it with virtualbox and it booted
[18:39] <KyleS> Karmic 32 bit boots fine
[18:39] <lfaraone> k5ehx: well, no idea for those two; I know how to do so in Pidgin
[18:39] <KyleS> 64 bit won't get past a blinking cursor
[18:40] <k5ehx> lfaraone: ok, how do you do it in pidgin?
[18:40] <xorred> om26er: what about speed?
[18:40] <lfaraone> k5ehx: go to preferences, and set the "show system tray icon:" to "always".
[18:40] <om26er> xorred: better than windows Xp
[18:41] <k5ehx> lfaraone: that doesn't work on my pidgin
[18:41] <k5ehx> I think the problem is that whatever program is responsible for managing those tray icons is missing or broken, but I don't know the name of it
[18:41] <lfaraone> k5ehx: you're running Version: 1:2.6.2-1ubuntu7?
[18:41] <lfaraone> k5ehx: ah, the notifications applet.
[18:41] <om26er> lfaraone: indicator applet replace it
[18:42] <k5ehx> oh, called "notification area". I swear that wasn't there before the reboot. :-)
[18:42] <lfaraone> k5ehx: right click your task bar, do "add to panel", and select "notifications area"
[18:42] <k5ehx> thx
[18:42] <alyssum> Anyone got LDAP working in Karmic?  There was radical changes to the slapd package and no documentation for it.
[18:43] <yermandu> checkin info (hd0,1) in grub2 is /dev/sda? Question
[18:43] <lfaraone> yermandu: (hd0,0) usually refers to /dev/sda1, (hd0,1) to /dev/sda2, and so on.
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> actually if we are refreing to GRUB2 - they have changed that
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> te drives start at 0. but the partitions start at 1 now.
[18:44] <yermandu> hmmmm
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> so  thats somthing to watch out for when doing grub vs grub2 work..
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> a BIG somthing to watch out for.
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:45] <yermandu> Tnx Dr_Willis
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> sda1 = hd0,1 in grub2
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> sda1 = hd0,0 in grub1
[18:45] <yermandu> :)
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[18:45] <yermandu> i need install again then
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> well you still instsall the grub to the same drive/mbr (hd0) but the partition where it finds the info would be difffernt
[18:46] <k5ehx> ok, so with the notification issue fixed, the upgrade to the RC went very well
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> NOTE: The new partition naming convention. Devices start counting from 0 as done previously. sda is designated as "hd0", sdb is "hd1", etc. However the first partition is now designated as sda1. Counting partitions does not start with "0". The fifth partition on sda is sda5).
[18:47] <Noah0504> Under Karmic, I cannot get GRUB to install on /dev/md0
[18:48] <xorred> sound problem on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1299821 - 9.10 RC
[18:50] <KyleS> Anyone here a live cd guru?
[18:50] <KyleS> I have a weird issue where the i386 live cd loads perfectly fine, but the amd64 version of it fails epically
[18:51] <KyleS> It fails in such a way, it gives absolutely 0 output
[18:51] <lfaraone> KyleS: run the livecd removing "quiet splash" as a parameter
[18:51] <KyleS> I have
[18:52] <KyleS> It still gives a blinking cursor
[18:52] <KyleS> I've tried all manner of 'check boxes' as well
[18:52] <KyleS> I also tried a suggestion someone gave earlier of adding nosmp acpi=bios
[18:52] <KyleS> and no dice :(
[18:53] <neoTheCat> hello.  does anyone know why my dvd and other video playbacks colors are all off?  i am watching a simpson's dvd, and they are all blue.
[18:53] <lfaraone> KyleS: hm.
[18:53] <lfaraone> neoTheCat: check your cable connections? :P
[18:53] <KyleS> lfaraone, exactly :(  I've never come across this before
[18:54] <neoTheCat> lfaraone: monitor cable?
[18:54] <alyssum> xorred: can you run "arecord -l" and then take the name from that output to run "asoundconf set-default-card <name of device>"
[18:54] <penguin42> sounds like a break in your red and/or grean cables
[18:54] <penguin42> green even
[18:54] <lfaraone> KyleS: file a bug against linux, I guess.
[18:55] <xorred> arecord: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[18:55] <KyleS> I'm reburning the amd64 cd
[18:55] <KyleS> I'm going to try one more time
[18:55] <KyleS> desperation measure :)
[18:55] <neoTheCat> penguin42: monitors are fine.  it's only during any kind of video playback.  in the window itself.
[18:55] <tgpraveen> KyleS: sure your system supports 64 bit?
[18:55] <xorred> alyssum: arecord: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[18:55] <lfaraone> KyleS: also, try verifying the CD too;
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> KyleS:  why not just make a bootable usb flash drive?
[18:55] <fcuk112> anyone had problems with crackling noise from their x-fi?
[18:55] <KyleS> Linux kyle-compy 2.6.28-16-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 20 19:48:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> :) i never burn cd;s any more
[18:55] <Jork> Hello
[18:55] <KyleS> Dr_Willis, problem is that the x86 works fine
[18:55] <penguin42> neoTheCat: Hmm OK, then you have a bug I guess - it's not impossible; the colour decompression acceleration some video cards profvide could be screwed up
[18:56] <Jork> I had two problems in karmic
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> fcuk112:  crackling while it plays sound? or just a popping every so often?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> xorred, arecord  -L
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> KyleS:    I made a grub2 usb flash drive that can boot the iso files directly. :) i can have both isos on a single flash drive
[18:56] <xorred> BluesKaj: nothing
[18:56] <Jork> first is Xorg problem with saving screen resolution
[18:56] <xorred> no output
[18:56] <KyleS> nice
[18:56] <neoTheCat> it was fine in 9.04, it didn't cause a problem until karma
[18:56] <KyleS> I was going to make a flash drive...but no usb stick :)
[18:56] <KyleS> the one I do have doesn't support that >_>
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> KyleS:  yep. and all i got to do to upgrade the iso. is copy the new one to the stick
[18:56] <KyleS> effing radio shack
[18:56] <Jork> and second is with awn-manager. It won't start and gives me an following error ubuntu+1
[18:57] <xorred> http://etherpad.com/hEAne2bRwX
[18:57] <alyssum> xorred: i thought you said in your forum post that alsa recognizes the HDA-Intel card?
[18:57] <lfaraone> KyleS: you can also use UNetbootin, by the way.
[18:57] <fcuk112> Dr_Willis: crackling when push the volume up.
[18:57] <Jork> and second is with awn-manager. It won't start and gives me an following error http://pastebin.com/m64f6eacd
[18:57] <xorred> alsa recognizeD :) in 9.04
[18:57] <lfaraone> Jork: what language is that, exactly?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> hehe : http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/depth_of_field/ : is killing every browser
[18:57] <lfaraone> "glib.GError: Tip ne ustreza: Za klju&#269; int pri&#269;akoval `float' dobil `/apps/avant-window-navigator/bar/bar_angle'"
[18:57] <BluesKaj> xorred, lspci | grep audio
[18:57] <KyleS> tgpraveen, I've been using 64 bit exclusively for nearly a year.
[18:57] <Jork> lfaraone: slovenian
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> fcuk112:  you mean it crackles as you are adjusting the sound.. or only at high volume?
[18:57] <xorred> that's in the forum post BluesKaj
[18:57] <xorred> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1299821
[18:57] <fcuk112> Dr_Willis: only at high volume.
[18:58] <Jork> I setup it to english
[18:58] <Jork> just a moment
[18:58] <lfaraone> Jork: well, does it start if you run awn as a new user?
[18:58] <alyssum> xorred: oh, all that alsa output is 9.04...well then, i'm stumped too
[18:58] <Jork> I don't know. How can I do that?
[18:59] <lfaraone> Jork: well, click on your name in the upper right hand corner and select "guest user"
[18:59] <lfaraone> (corner of the screen)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> xorred,  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[18:59] <shadeslayer> yet konqueror handles it fine 0.o.... even firefox cried when i supplied that link :P
[18:59] <fcuk112> Dr_Willis: it pops once in a while as well.
[18:59] <fcuk112> lol
[18:59] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | xorred
[18:59] <lfaraone> shadeslayer: that's not really a bug in Ubuntu, now is it.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> lfaraone: no,more like a bug in rekonq and firefox
[19:00] <alyssum> xorred: does audio work with the Karmic live cd?
[19:00] <Jork> If  use as guest user awn-manager starts normaly
[19:00] <scott_ino2> i really hate comcast.. sorry just a quick rant
[19:00] <shadeslayer> lfaraone: im amazed how konqueror cannot handle gmail but can handle that!
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> fcuk112:  if it pops after being quiet for a while , right befor a sound is going to play. thats the sleep setting for th sound card/drivers that  basically turn off the sound card after so much time of inactivity. no idea on the other issue
[19:02]  * yermandu hates grub2
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Cool.. the 'SystemRescueCD' support being booted via ISO from GRUB2 also :)
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yermandu: yeah same here
[19:02] <lfaraone> Jork: well, that means it's probably a issue with the AWN configuration you're using.
[19:03] <Jork> lfaraone: How can I change that?
[19:03] <yermandu> shadeslayer, how is your trouble?
[19:03] <lfaraone> Jork: " gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/avant-window-navigator" will delete all your AWN configuration.
[19:03] <alyssum> BTW, I'm still looking for help on LDAP in Karmic... surely someone is running it?
[19:03] <lfaraone> (according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=755467 )
[19:03] <xorred> alyssum: Didn't try...
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yermandu: cant get it to accept a vga res,small issue though,whats your grudge?
[19:03] <xorred> don't have a cd burner
[19:04] <lfaraone> alyssum: if so, they seem to be elsewhere.
[19:04] <evelina> ok, i'm back with good news, that worked, xorred :)
[19:04] <xorred> hehe good
[19:04] <lfaraone> alyssum: I'm still running my LDAP setup on 8.04, taking no chances.
[19:04] <Jork> cool lfaraone
[19:04] <evelina> thanks a lot guys, ubuntu's comunity is the best :)
[19:04] <Jork> thnx
[19:04] <Jork> It works now
[19:04] <xorred> BluesKaj: thanks! I'll try that link
[19:04] <lfaraone> Jork: glad to be able to help.
[19:04] <yermandu> i can note load my other distro
[19:04] <yermandu> shadeslayer,
[19:05] <alyssum> lfaraone: very smart.  best wait until karmic+1 before LDAP will be sorted out.  but unfortunately i don't have as much flexibility.
[19:05] <shadeslayer> yermandu: which one?
[19:05] <Jork> lfaraone: just one more thing. Is it possible to setup curve dock in awn like os-x uses ?
[19:05] <Khodok> Hi guys... I need some help after updating to karmic. The problem is that every package I install after updating is listed under "Installed (manual)" in synaptic. When I click Package -> Automatically installed, it becomes "Installed (local or obsolete)". I nearly ruined my whole system now by accidentally clearing obsolete packages from ubuntu-tweak :(
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Jork: yep
[19:06] <lfaraone> Jork: Unfortunately, I don't really use awn.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Jork: see the trasher applet
[19:06] <yermandu> ubuntu install grub, he maps my other distro, (mandriva, gentoo, others), but i can boot only ubuntu
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yermandu: hmm.. did you try installing grub from the other distro and see if it boots ubuntu?
[19:07] <lfaraone> Khodok: we can't really support those kind of third party modifications.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> Jork: add the trasher applet to the dock and in the settings of the applet change them to curve
[19:07] <yermandu> my other distros uses grub0.97 shadeslayer
[19:07] <lfaraone> !automatix | Khodok # see this for something similar; they tend to break your system in subtle ways
[19:08] <Jork> shadeslayer_ you mean trash applet?
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> yermandu:  you will need to customuize the grub menu.lst to boot the other disrtos.  i not sure that  the ubuntu grub tools will auto-detect/setup other disrtos.
[19:08] <xorred> BluesKaj: how do I open ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz?
[19:08] <xorred> can't tar -xzvf it
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> yermandu:   You could 'chain' load the other grubs. or hand edit  one menu.lst for one disrto to handle all of grub.
[19:08] <Khodok> lfaraone, I know, but it's not about ubuntu-tweak, the problem is that new packages are marked as "manually installed". I updated through update-manager -d
[19:08] <lfaraone> Dr_Willis: it should; if it doesn't, that's a bug.
[19:08] <shadeslayer> Jork: no its called the trasher applet... afaik
[19:09] <yermandu> Dr_Willis, this sound good
[19:09] <lfaraone> Khodok: Update-manager disabled your third party sources
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> lfaraone:  Ive only had it see other ubuntu disrtos..  ive never tried it with other installed disrtos
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> lfaraone:  and given the varity of other disrtos out there.. i would be amazed if it could do them all.
[19:09] <yermandu> Can u help to do this Dr_Willis ?
[19:09] <lfaraone> Khodok: if you want to continue using them, you'll have to enable them via the Software Sources dialog.
[19:10] <lfaraone> Dr_Willis: yes, but. Ideally we'd support everything under the sun; if there's a case where it isn't autodetected it should be reported.
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Jork: http://wiki.awn-project.org/Stacks_Applet
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> yermandu:  You basicially need to learn grub and grub2.  and then  figure it out..  personally i suggest sticking with ONE distro and testing others inside virtualbox if you want to play with them.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> xorred, tar -xvzf filename
[19:11] <xorred> actually it shold have been gzip -d
[19:11] <xorred> it's not a tar archive :)
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> keeping each disrto on its own seperate hard drive would make things a lot easier also. :)
[19:11] <xorred> gz tab tab... gzip -h :)
[19:11] <Khodok> lfaraone, thanks, I'll try that... It just seemed to affect too many packages
[19:11] <lfaraone> xorred: gunzip filename.zip
[19:12] <BluesKaj> it's just a text file
[19:12] <yermandu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300721/
[19:12] <xorred> BluesKaj: the link with the troubleshooting didn't help I can't find my model in the docs..
[19:12] <alyssum> xorred: check out the bug report.  may be workaround for you near the bottom https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/418627
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> you use unzip for .zip not gunzip
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> !info unp
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, thx for the unp tip
[19:16] <Khodok> lfaraone, I just checked it again, all new packages that I install from default karmic repos are listed as "manually installed"
[19:17] <DanaG> !info dtrx
[19:17] <Khodok> It's not because of third party repos
[19:17] <DanaG> handy for dealing with archives that expand all to current directory.
[19:17] <lfaraone> Khodok: do you have the normal repos enabled in the sources.list?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  yea. i use that all the time. its so overlooked
[19:19] <BluesKaj> I'm wondering, can the older numbered linux image rt patches be deleted from the the grub menu ?
[19:20] <yermandu> and about grub legacy?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, in place of tar -xzvf command or ?
[19:21] <lfaraone> BluesKaj: sure.
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  i try it on everything :)
[19:21] <BluesKaj> lfaraone, all except the latest rt ?
[19:22] <lfaraone> BluesKaj: sure, but theres no real reason to.
[19:22] <ToxinPowe> Anyone can tell me how install chrome in Karmic?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> lfaraone, it's cluttering  up my boot menu , I want to see the W7 partition in the list
[19:23] <lfaraone> BluesKaj: okay then.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> !chrome | ToxinPowe
[19:24] <BluesKaj> !chromium-browser | ToxinPowe
[19:24] <Khodok> ToxinPowe, it's in third party repos
[19:24] <ToxinPowe> thx
[19:25] <Khodok> ToxinPowe, https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:25] <ToxinPowe> ok ;)
[19:26] <ssn> how do I disable gdm from startup in karmic?
[19:26] <ssn> the usual update-rc.d does not work
[19:26] <Khodok> lfaraone, all default repos seem to be in order
[19:26] <Khodok> lfaraone, packages install from them
[19:27] <JackD> ssn: use the server iso ?)
[19:27] <lfaraone> Khodok: odd, no idea.
[19:27] <Enlik> lol
[19:27] <Dr_Willis> ssn:  it uses upstart. its controlled by /etc/init now
[19:27] <ssn> Dr_Willis: so how do i disable it
[19:27] <ssn> I know how to stop it
[19:27] <Dr_Willis> delete the proper file from /etc/init
[19:27] <Dr_Willis> LOOK in the directory
[19:28] <ssn> Dr_Willis: but if i remove the init script, how do i start it when i need it?
[19:28] <Dr_Willis> sudo gdm   is one way
[19:28] <ssn> with init.d?
[19:28] <Dr_Willis> or try the init.d way
[19:28] <Dr_Willis> or just use 'startx'
[19:28] <ssn> the init dir contains just gdm.conf
[19:28] <Jon5000> anyone know why citrix receiver 11 will not let me save a connection I have created?
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> ssn:  yes.. and thats the init file now that starts gdm
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> it defines what run levels it starts on an dothe rthings
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> !upstart
[19:29] <ssn> Dr_Willis: thx
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> most services are being moved to upstart /etc/init 'scripts'
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ssn ,usually you can stsrt a script in the cli , nameofscript start
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> the things in init are not really 'scripts' however.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> links to rc.d
[19:30] <JackD> i have deleted files in rcS.d for gdm and it still starts with upstart ;)
[19:31] <localnnuser__> kde vs gnome
[19:31] <ssn> also, nm-applet disappeared. I have no idea how to start the NetworkManager applet without sudo or being root
[19:31] <Dr_Willis> localnnuser__:  tomatoe vs tomato.
[19:31] <localnnuser__> hehehe
[19:31]  * thiebaude tomato
[19:32] <localnnuser__> tomatoe
[19:32] <BluesKaj> tomahto vs tomaeto :)
[19:33] <Dr_Willis> Potatoe
[19:33] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, french fries
[19:33] <localnnuser__> niiiiiiiiiice jub ubuntu developers........ im loving karmic
[19:33] <localnnuser__> *job
[19:34] <tgpraveen> !spellings
[19:34] <tgpraveen> !info enchant
[19:34] <tgpraveen> !info hunspell
[19:36] <localnnuser__> is symphony gonna be available for karmic?
[19:37] <lfaraone> !info symphony | localnnuser__
[19:37] <jimpop> localnnuser__, debs are available from IBM
[19:38] <thiebaude> bug 1
[19:38] <localnnuser__> thanks jimpop
[19:39] <localnnuser__> oh one more thing, which is the best web browser for kde?
[19:39] <localnnuser__> i mean qt web browser
[19:39] <ausimage> Hello... I am looking for help in solving gphoto mount situation in Karmic... which makes it unsuable for my kodak dx7590 camera :/
[19:39] <jdahm> I had to convert my partition format to GUID, so I ended up uninstalling everything.  Now when I try to install, I get the error "attempt to mount /dev/sda2 to /boot failed".  Is this maybe a scratched cd/bad burn?
[19:39]  * Dr_Willis wonders how many 'qt' web browsers are out there...
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> Opera uses qt dont it. :)
[19:40] <ausimage> I am interested in how gphoto handles things in karmic... so I can fix it...
[19:40] <xorred> BluesKaj: seems I am affected by the audio bug too
[19:40] <xorred> but my card is a bit different - not 1260, but 1200
[19:40] <ausimage> I think the issue lies with the fact that I have an extra flash card in the camera...
[19:40] <localnnuser__> i dont like opera at all quite big web browser, aint fast and its completly un-usable with laptops because of touchpad...
[19:41] <ausimage> The situation seems to be ignored on LP... as my Jaunty bug was not touched :/
[19:41] <jetsaredim> anyone here use vuze/azureus?
[19:41] <David-T> jetsaredim: sometimes...
[19:41] <jetsaredim> i cannot seem to get it working on 9.10
[19:42] <David-T> hmm, the package works fine for me...
[19:42] <ausimage> but now it is much worse.... whereas before I could still get communication... now it seems it is very miss or hit :/
[19:42] <David-T> although if you've got eclipse installed that could cause difficulties getting the package to install
[19:42] <jetsaredim> David-T: it fires up, but when I attempt to open a torrent it just hangs
[19:42] <David-T> hm
[19:43] <BluesKaj> xorred, sorry but I'm not realy well versed about intel probs
[19:43] <ausimage> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gphotofs/+bug/381531 <== is the bug
[19:43] <David-T> jetsaredim: which jdk are you using? (what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/java point to?)
[19:43] <jetsaredim> David-T: I tried with both openjdk and sun-java
[19:44] <David-T> ah, ok. I'm running openjkd with no problems
[19:44] <David-T> jdk, even
[19:44] <thiebaude> David-T, sun-java6-jre
[19:45] <raindog> Ran latest updates today, one of my partitions won't mount.  fsck.ext3 is running, checking it for errors i presume.  Is there a way that I can monitor the status/output of this operation?
[19:45] <jetsaredim> yea I've tried with both and have the same issue
[19:45] <David-T> other than deleting your ~/.azureus folder to see if that helps, i don't have many ideas.
[19:45] <jetsaredim> David-T: yea did that too
[19:46] <jdahm> wow well thats a bug
[19:48] <Bluey> i am getting this annoy messages in the log - every 5 minutes - what the hell does it mean?  Oct 24 11:43:40 Homer kernel: [47071.114100] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[19:51] <David-T> Bluey: http://lwn.net/Articles/14294/ it's normal.
[19:52] <jimpop> normal like a hooker hanging around outside your house at dawn?
[19:52] <Bluey> David-T: to techinicl for me  I'll take your word on it - thanks
[19:53] <mac_v> language | jimpop:
[19:53] <jimpop> lol
[19:53] <mac_v> !language | jimpop:
[19:53] <jimpop> hooker isn't a bad word
[19:54] <jimpop> i just wish that more time went into improving karmic than writing neat little irc bots
[19:54] <LogicalDash> I am using Netbook Remix. When I open EMACS, the minibuffer does not show. I can make it show by unmaximizing the window, and when I maximize it again the minibuffer's still visible. I really want it to be visible whenever I open EMACS though.
[19:56] <arand_> What is the real upgradeable package associated with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicmethods ??
[19:56] <David-T> jimpop: you're free to divide your time between improving karmic, writing neat little irc bots, and ineffectually moaning as you wish...
[19:56] <jimpop> obviously i choose moaning.  but I could also choose OSX
[19:57] <jimpop> the real issue is what does the moaning get ignored along with the bugs, or does the borg moveon with established release dates
[19:58] <nzze> hi i always get an Hash Sum mismatch while upgrading to 9.10
[19:58] <nzze> some ideas?
[20:00] <Dr_Willis> try a differnt server.
[20:00] <jimpop> nzze: upgrading via CD or how?
[20:00] <Dr_Willis> theres been some others mention some hash issues
[20:00] <Dr_Willis> I think some pacjages dident get updated right on all servers
[20:01] <nzze> iam just using do-release-upgrade -d, how can i change server
[20:01] <ktwo> hi, if i now install the RC iso of 9.10 can i update to final status easily when the final comes out // would it be better to reinstall the final ?
[20:01] <nzze> change sources.list?
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> ktwo:  thats a  yes. You can.
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> !update
[20:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..wha twas thast other factoid...
[20:02] <Dr_Willis>  rc -> upgrades to final
[20:03] <tgpraveen> !RC
[20:03] <webbb82> ok so you know if you highlight some text then goto where you want to paste the text and do the middle click it will automaticly paste the text you highlighted  but i dont have a middle mouse so i have to use the first and last mouse button at the same time to do a "middle click" is there anyway to change what mouse button to use?
[20:04] <dholbert> Does anyone know if enrypted swap still breaks hibernation in Karmic?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> !schedule | tgpraveen
[20:09] <traskbryant> Anyone have a fix for installing prism? (missing dep: xulrunner-1.9.1-dom-inspector)
[20:12] <xrandr> so in 4 days, 9.10 is going to be released,right?
[20:13] <jimpop> yep
[20:13] <jimpop> apparently so
[20:13] <arand_> Has the making of daily-live images stopped by now?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> xrandr, 5 days
[20:14] <arand_> Blargh, I want to test a new patch in the installer, which I seem to need a prebuild iso for... bleh
[20:16] <benste> which package contains the IWL3945 wireless driver -> I want to file a bug
[20:23] <nzze> i cant fix the Hash Sum mismatch, not even by changing mirrors
[20:23] <silentnights> hi All, I try to build wifi driver but it fails and give me this error: No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.  Stop.
[20:24] <silentnights> the problem is that I have kernel source in /usr/src and extracted
[20:24] <silentnights> Also linked to /usr/src/linux
[20:24] <maco> why are there only kubuntu rc dvd images, no cd images?
[20:24] <silentnights> I don't know why he gets into the kernel header instead of kernel source
[20:25] <lfaraone> dholbert: yes, which is an innate property of encrypted swap.
[20:25] <dholbert> lfaraone, what do you mean?
[20:25] <benste1> lfaraone: you're not talking about encrypted swap error on bootup ?
[20:25] <dholbert> lfaraone, you mean encrypted swap by definition breaks hibernate?
[20:26] <lfaraone> dholbert: yes, if your swap is encrypted with a random key each time you boot, it defeats the purpose to save the key to disk,
[20:26] <penguin42> can't it be a passworded key rather than random?
[20:26] <lfaraone> benste1: no, I'm not.
[20:27] <dholbert> lfaraone, http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/jaunty-encrypted-home-directories.html says that they were trying to fix that for karmic
[20:27] <dholbert> lfaraone, quoting that page: "In either case, however, you will not be able to hibernate your system (but suspend will continue to work just fine). It is for this reason that the option is hidden in the default installation. We're trying to fix the swap issues for Karmic."
[20:27] <dholbert> lfaraone, see also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-encrypted-swap-as-an-option
[20:27] <arand_> maco: might be a "bug", as usual, bad that it's on the rc though..
[20:27] <benste1> lfaraone: just thought cause I've had seom problems with it yesterday which has been patched only to disable encrpted swap - and no one knew against which package a bug should be filed http://benste.blogspot.com/2009/10/problems-in-karmic-due-to-use-of.html
[20:27] <dholbert> lfaraone, (the end of the summary there says "The primary development item around this specification will be ensuring that hibernate-to-disk and resume-from-hibernate continue to operate as expected.")
[20:28] <benste1> @all does someone know which package contains the by default installed Intel Wireless drivers ?
[20:29] <lfaraone> dholbert: well, it doens't seem to have been implemented.
[20:29] <maco> benste1: the kernel
[20:29] <lfaraone> dholbert: anyway, it does defeat the security benefits of encrypted swap to hibernate your machine.
[20:29] <dholbert> lfaraone, I'm not sure, though.  it says " Milestone target: karmic-alpha-5"
[20:29] <dholbert> lfaraone, I understand that
[20:29] <maco> benste1: package name is "linux"
[20:29] <benste1> lol
[20:30] <benste1> I'll do
[20:30] <dholbert> lfaraone, My question is, if I hibernate, will I be able to turn on my machine and not have it asplode?
[20:30] <maco> dholbert: that means they wanted to do it at alpha 5. doesnt mean anyone got a chance to do it
[20:30] <arand_> partman-basicmethods is part of the installer (udeb package), and I want to test a recent patch for it, can anyone hint me how?
[20:30] <lfaraone> benste1: I get that too, you just have to wait for it to pass
[20:30] <lfaraone> dholbert: no idea. try it out.
[20:30] <maco> arand_: you want to patch the package and rebuild it?
[20:30] <lfaraone> dholbert: the disk will be unmounted cleanly, at least.
[20:31] <benste1> lfaraone: I know but it slows down system boot, you already have my link on how to deactivate it, be aware that this may be a security risk if you're working in an serious environoment
[20:31] <dholbert> lfaraone, well, if my swap isn't being utilized (which it might not be, since I have plenty of RAM), it might work sometimes and not others
[20:31] <arand_> maco: It's a compnent of the installer, which seems to make things more complicated
[20:32] <maco> arand_: youd probably have to rebuild the iso...
[20:32] <lfaraone> benste1: which is why I don't care to disable it. The "fix" for your bug would be to tell the kernel/loader to wait a bit longer for cryptswap to mount.
[20:32] <arand_> maco: "Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Ubuntu system."
[20:32] <mzz> dholbert: last time I tried hibernate with encrypted swap it didn't resume, it just did a regular boot (with the implied fsck run etc)
[20:32] <arand_> maco: I was afraid of that...
[20:32] <mzz> which makes sense
[20:32] <benste1> lfaraone: could you file a bug that this may be solved ?
[20:32] <silentnights> Can anyone help me with my wifi driver problem??
[20:33] <silentnights> I can compile it but can't install it :(
[20:33] <mzz> I'm pretty sure what's happening is it writes the image to the encrypted device, and when you reboot there's no way for it to mount that device, because the key used is random
[20:33] <DonaldShimoda> ok, there we go, i will try a fresh install qith the alternate cd
[20:33] <webbb82> this mite be a dumb question but where do i find the GNOME Control Center
[20:33] <Strogg_> i'm having at every boot a message on xsplash : wainting for mapper/cryptswap1 to mount, is there anyway to slow down ubuntu startup ? :)
[20:33] <lfaraone> benste1: run "ubuntu-bug linux" and describe your usecase in the report.
[20:33] <DonaldShimoda> the upograde ruin my system...
[20:33] <DonaldShimoda> see you later friends
[20:33] <DonaldShimoda> if all go fine... he
[20:33] <lfaraone> Strogg_: it *is* slowing down, hence the waiting.
[20:33] <benste1> lfaraone: I know how to file a bug - that's the only thing i did the last 3 days :-)
[20:34] <lfaraone> Strogg_: it's not a problem, just wait for it to go away
[20:34] <benste1> lfaraone: but I've already changed it so if you'd be so kind to report it and subscribe me as well - and you already know what to do - I didn't
[20:34] <mzz> Strogg_: I suspect you're just getting that because it takes a while, and there's no reliable way for the boot system to detect if it's going to finish in a bit or if it got stuck
[20:35] <Strogg_>  i dindt find a bug submited, having that on my eee since kernel -14
[20:35] <silentnights> I am getting this error with make install : No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.  Stop.
[20:35] <BluesKaj> silentnights, which wifi card ?
[20:36] <silentnights> rtl8172
[20:37] <skiwithpete> guys, I'm having some crazy problems with 9.10RC
[20:37] <benste1> mzz: did you read - concerning my yesterday cryptswap error lfaraone knews the reason - do you remeber the other one hanging arround with that problem ?
[20:37] <skiwithpete> web addresses are all messed up
[20:37] <silentnights> BluesKaj: I got the driver from here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/401126
[20:37] <mzz> benste1: so was it actually an *error*?
[20:37] <skiwithpete> so earlier today I had problems connecting to Firefox's add-on engine
[20:38] <mzz> benste1: I lost track of what was going on halfway through
[20:38] <skiwithpete> and I had problems with connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <silentnights> BluesKaj: When I could not get it to work ini ubuntu i tried it on another distro running same kernel version and it worked
[20:38] <benste1> mzz: lfaraone told that kernel needs to be patched to wait longer for cryptswap
[20:38] <silentnights> it always fail when i do make install on ubuntu
[20:38] <mzz> benste1: err, what?
[20:38] <Strogg_> mzz, the system looks like to wait for the partition to be mounted, and show the message, but i can't find the message in dmesg or syslog, is there a new logfile where i can find this message ?
[20:38] <silentnights> complains about file which should be in kernel source.
[20:38] <skiwithpete> I switched to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <BluesKaj> silentnights, is the driver a windows.exe file that needs ndiswrapper,if so check this tutorial http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/
[20:38] <lfaraone> benste1: well, not exactly.
[20:38] <skiwithpete> and it started working.  Now
[20:38] <mzz> Strogg_: I have no idea. I haven't seen this message (it didn't exist when I disabled cryptswap)
[20:39] <benste1> lfaraone: so try again that mzz: and I understand :-)
[20:39] <skiwithpete> Now I type in webaddresses into FF and it takes me weird places
[20:39] <lfaraone> mzz: it's not an error, just a "This isn't mounted yet. Waiting for it to mount, press esc to cancel" message.
[20:39] <mzz> Strogg_: still, from the sounds of it it's just a status message and can be completely ignored
[20:39] <silentnights> no the driver is a linux driver
[20:39] <mzz> yeah, that
[20:39] <skiwithpete> senschirp.ca takes me to google.ca
[20:39] <skiwithpete> what the hell am I meant to do?
[20:39] <mzz> lfaraone: someone (probably benste1) had me confused earlier and I thought it got stuck there forever
[20:39] <benste1> lfaraone: but it's a bug isn't it ?
[20:39] <mzz> benste1: probably not, if it's not getting stuck forever
[20:39] <silentnights> I can't use ndiswrapper cause there is no xp x64 driver version for this card
[20:40] <skiwithpete> anyone had similar problems?
[20:40] <lfaraone> benste1: well, there are a few things we can do. A) increase the wait time, B) change the message to something more user-friendly, C) something-else
[20:40] <mzz> benste1: afaict the only bug is that it'd be nice if it went faster
[20:40] <lfaraone> mzz: if anything, it should be a string fix.
[20:40] <silentnights> I tried to do make install when i boot from live cd and it work !!
[20:40] <mzz> lfaraone: I don't see what's wrong with the string
[20:40] <lfaraone> maco: would this be a bug against linux or cryptsetup?
[20:40] <silentnights> It should be something about the ubuntu installation on hard disk, should not it?
[20:40] <mzz> lfaraone: I was just assuming people wouldn't complain unless that string was visible for a long time
[20:40] <lfaraone> mzz: It's causing people to be confused.
[20:40] <silentnights> I tried reinstalling it and got same problem
[20:40] <skiwithpete> I typed this in earlier " echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" |sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[20:40] <skiwithpete> " and it made it work for a while... but its not working again
[20:41] <mzz> meh
[20:41] <lfaraone> mzz: well, it appears on my computer for less than 5 seconds
[20:41]  * mzz suggests patching the people, not the string
[20:41] <benste1> lfaraone: you knwo what to do, why can't you at least post it with the tech detail we need? - I don't know what it is about
[20:41] <silentnights> BluesKaj: Sorry if am noisy.
[20:41] <mzz> benste1: afaict it's simply informing you what the system's doing. Think splash screen.
[20:42] <skiwithpete> is there a way to refresh nameservers?
[20:42] <lfaraone> benste1: or when Windows XP is "preparing your desktop"
[20:42] <mzz> benste1: so imho the only oddity is that setting up swap is slow enough to trigger that message and/or the timeout's short enough
[20:42] <benste1> mzz: lfaraone I think for normal users this is very confusing and looks like an serious error
[20:42] <mzz> benste1: how is "waiting for something" a serious error, unless it does it for more than a few seconds?
[20:42] <hat0> hi all - question about installing the rc.  if i install the rc now, will it be able to update itself to the final release in a week without problems?
[20:42] <lfaraone> mzz: well, key generation probably takes some time.
[20:42] <lfaraone> mzz: the best thing to do would be to mount the swap asynchronously.
[20:42] <mzz> benste1: again: when I tried to debug your startup earlier I was assuming this took much longer (think minutes)
[20:43] <benste1> mzz: for me everything which comes up multiple times is loking as a serious warning
[20:43] <lfaraone> mzz: that too; it does display on the screen three or so times.
[20:43] <mzz> if it's seconds imho it's a complete nonissue, but I'm not stopping you from filing a polish bug
[20:43] <pac1> how do I access the karmic repository?
[20:43] <skiwithpete> anyone?
[20:43] <benste1> lfaraone: more than 5
[20:43] <skiwithpete> pac1, ?
[20:43] <lfaraone> pac1: are you running karmic already?
[20:43] <lfaraone> pac1: or are you trying to upgrade from jaunty?
[20:44] <mzz> lfaraone: I'm guessing swap isn't mounted asynchronously because it has to check for a resume image before it can mount other partitions
[20:44] <xorred> so, after upgrading to 9.10 I am still with kernel 2.6.28-15 (server) - how do I install the default kernel in 9.10 and still keep my 6 gigs of ram available?
[20:44] <lfaraone> mzz: but I thought we already decided that cryptswap doesn't support suspend-resume
[20:44] <mzz> lfaraone: it would appear that with the current encrypted swap setup you'll never actually find a resume image is swap is encrypted, but I don't think the boot system knows that
[20:44] <pac1> no I just need one of the packages  from karmic
[20:44] <lfaraone> mzz: this is happening after the early boot.
[20:44] <pac1> sqashfs-tools
[20:44] <skiwithpete> pac1 and youre in uk?
[20:44] <mzz> meh.
[20:45] <lfaraone> pac1: that's generally a bad idea, but search through http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=squashfs-tools&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[20:45] <mzz> I'll leave it to the people who still use encrypted swap and are annoyed by this to debug it, frankly I've lost interest
[20:45] <lfaraone> mzz: the "checking for resume image" happens much earlier.
[20:45] <skiwithpete> pac1 and youre in uk?
[20:45]  * benste1 is very conused that a warning which appears multiple time should be ok cause of slow hardware
[20:45] <zniavre> !intel
[20:46]  * mzz groans
[20:46] <mzz> benste1: iirc it was added because in some circumstances a mount or fsck can take a significant amount of time, and people were assuming the system had locked up
[20:46] <Strogg_> mzz, can we use the system without swap file ?
[20:46] <pac1> skiwithpete: no usa
[20:46] <Heikki123> Strogg_: yes
[20:46] <Heikki123> but some features such as hibernate will not work (if i'm right)
[20:46] <mzz> Strogg_: sure, but usually there's no point (swap normally doesn't hurt and sometimes helps)
[20:46] <skiwithpete> ok, are you able to ping us.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:47] <pac1> 1:3 vs 1:4.0
[20:47] <mzz> Strogg_: a bit of swap is usually a good idea, although imho more than about a GiB is pointless, since if all that's used the system's unusable anyway.
[20:47] <benste1> mzz: so it woun't hurt if I revert the things from yesterday
[20:47] <mzz> Strogg_: well, more than about a GiB or 3/4 or so of your ram, whichever is more.
[20:47] <rigodeni> ok when plug in my MP3 player its not automatically mounted (not shown in Nautilus), what do i do?
[20:48] <mzz> benste1: as I was trying to explain at that time: I was mainly curious to see if your system would boot noticably faster without encrypted swap
[20:48] <webbb82>  i installed picasa but no matter what i do it wont run   i dont get a error or anything it just doesnt run  if i try threw the terminal nothing happens what should i do
[20:48] <benste1> mzz possibly seconds :)_
[20:48] <mzz> benste1: when we first started talking I was assuming your system wasn't booting in a reasonable time. It was only about the time I got your bootchart image that I realised it was booting pretty much normally and the problem was just cosmetic.
[20:48] <arand_> rigodeni: have you tried mounting using the comand line?
[20:48] <silentnights> is the rc release different than the beta?
[20:49] <pac1> actually I think i have it.  I did an add in synaptic and deduced http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main
[20:49] <pac1> That got me squashfs 4:0
[20:49] <benste1> mzz I'm sry that I didn't say earlier - the overall karmic boot speed is slower so I first thought this error might be realted to it, but I know lucid will try to fix it
[20:50] <rigodeni> arand_: no
[20:50] <mzz> I'd like it if hibernate still worked, probably through asking for my login password or a special one I enter when suspending on resume, but I can imagine that's a bit tricky to implement
[20:50] <rigodeni> arand_: not sure how
[20:51] <mzz> not impossible, just lots of components that need to work together to make that happen
[20:51] <Strogg_> mzz, do the system need swap on boot ? when we use the crypted home folde this should not slow down the boot ?
[20:51]  * mzz groans
[20:51] <eitreach_> Am I just missing something, or has mouse gestures been removed from Compiz?
[20:51] <rigodeni> arand_: i shouldnt have to, on 9.04 it mounted automatically
[20:51] <mzz> I distinctly recall saying something about this a few minutes ago
[20:51] <mzz> < mzz> I'll leave it to the people who still use encrypted swap and are annoyed by this to debug it, frankly I've lost interest
[20:52] <mzz> get back to me when resume from hibernate works with encrypted swap
[20:53] <arand_> rigodeni: true, but in finding the problem, it might be worth checking what works and what doesn't
[20:53] <rigodeni> arand_: im willing to try
[20:53] <Pelo> how is the RC doing ?
[20:54] <jemark> ok here
[20:54] <arand_> rigodeni: first, use the command "lsusb" and make sure the usb device shows up there.
[20:55] <arand_> rigodeni: then create a directory in your home: "mkdir ~/usbmount"
[20:55]  * benste1 thanks mzz and lfaraone explaining ones again https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/459985
[20:56] <rigodeni> arand_: k, made directory, it does show up "Bus 002 Device 013: ID 0781:7434 SanDisk Corp."
[20:57] <arand_> rigodeni: then find out what device name the usb is: "sudo fdisk -l" this will list partitions, if you only have one harddrive, the usb will probably be the second letter, like /dev/sdb with a single partition /dev/sdb1 ??
[20:57] <Heikki123> rigodeni: and arand_: dmesg also shows the device name
[20:58] <Heikki123> [108771.347711] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] 7831552 512-byte logical blocks: (4.00 GB/3.73 GiB)
[20:58] <rigodeni> arand_: here is what i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/300813/ i have 2 HDDs
[20:59] <rigodeni> arand_: in Gparted i noticed it doesnt show my MP3 player either
[21:00] <arand_> rigodeni: that might be the problem right there...
[21:00] <rigodeni> arand_: yes thats what i suspected
[21:00] <rigodeni> arand_: was surprised Gparted didnt see it
[21:02] <rigodeni> arand_: this is a big problem for me, i need to be able to manage my music on there... may have to put windows back on now
[21:03] <pac1> apt-get install system-config-lvm does not seem to find anything.
[21:03] <arand_> rigodeni: Yea, temporary solution would be to boot a 9.04 livecd..
[21:03] <philsf> I have no sound. It appears karmic does not have a driver for my sound card, since there's no hardware detected in the mixer GUI. how can I debug this? I have an intel soundcard, and module snd_hda_intel is loaded. sound output worked fine in jaunty
[21:04] <rigodeni> arand_: is this a known problem with karmic?
[21:04] <frederic_> I installed 9.10 UNR on a eeepc. Wired connection works just fine. WIFi does not connect: ping works, but browser does not work and system update cannot connect. Any hint?
[21:04] <rigodeni> arand_: strange, because it mounts my USB thumb drive fine
[21:04] <Strogg_> any problem to upgrade sytem ?, it takes ages to generate grub file :/
[21:04] <arand_> rigodeni: Heikki123's suggestion might be worth a try, plug in the usb and the run "dmesg" and see what kind of erros, if any, it prints.
[21:05] <rigodeni> arand_: and my MP3 player operates as a thumb drive basically
[21:05] <arand_> rigodeni: first time I've heard of it.
[21:07] <rigodeni> arand_: that dmesg command output is massive
[21:07] <rigodeni> arand_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/300818/
[21:07] <arand_> rigodeni: yea, but it should only be the last 20 or so lines which are relevant to the usb-plugin-event
[21:08] <dtchen> philsf: please use ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[21:08] <dtchen> philsf: then, tell me the bug number
[21:08] <philsf> dtchen, ok, thanks
[21:09] <Strogg_> any ideas how much time it takes to generate  grub.cfg ?
[21:09] <Strogg_> taking 10 to 15 minutes is normal ?
[21:10] <dtchen> Strogg_: definitely not.
[21:10] <pac1> Where does the config file for Software Sources live?
[21:10] <rigodeni> arand_: hmm i dont think i see anything unusual there, except maybe "Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[21:10] <rigodeni> [ 1974.919858] Info fld=0x1c
[21:10] <rigodeni> [ 1974.919858] sr 7:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range
[21:10] <rigodeni> [ 1974.919861] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 112"
[21:11] <Strogg_> something i can do to check why it take so much time, and why system upgrade does it twice ?
[21:11] <guntbert> pac1: /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:11] <rigodeni> arand_: oops
[21:11] <arand_> rigodeni: the [ 3607.240467] usb 2-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 is something I don't get in my dmesg with a usb, as well as the [ 3607.832693] scsi 15:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[21:12] <rigodeni> i have no idea what it means
[21:13] <rigodeni> maybe they will release an update by the time the full release is out that will fix it?
[21:13] <philsf> dtchen, Bug #459997
[21:14] <pac1> is there a command to reload my sources, without running symantic in the gui
[21:14] <Strogg_> is there a way to see what application is using the hard_drive ?
[21:14] <philsf> btw, these new apport hooks are nice, good work
[21:14] <dupondje> pac1: how you mean ?
[21:14] <ktwo> hi, do you know why some software isnt in the packet manager on 9.10, for example i am trying to install aircrack-ng but the package isnt there
[21:14] <ktwo> do i have to add some older repo? if yes - which one
[21:15] <traskbryant> Anyone know a fix for installing plasma in 9.10?
[21:15] <dupondje> ktwo: aircrack is still in repo's
[21:16] <ktwo> hm i cant find it for some reason on 9.10, i ticked all of them
[21:16] <dupondje> ktwo: in universe
[21:16] <arand_> rigodeni: and the things you pointed at might also be a clue... to be honest, I'm not really sure either... At this point a bug report would probably be in order...
[21:16] <pac1> I'm in a chroot and need to get something from universe.  I uncommented the universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list  and did apt-get install system-config-lvm.  package not found.
[21:16] <Strogg_> pac1, apt-get update
[21:16] <dupondje> pac1: why did you uncomment it then ?
[21:16] <dupondje> ah nvm :p
[21:16] <dupondje> aptitude update ;)
[21:16] <pac1> if its commented out, you can't get anything from it.
[21:17] <arand_> rigodeni: so that would be "ubuntu-bug linux" and also attach the output from that dmesg there.
[21:17] <dtchen> philsf: are you trying to use Speakers or Headphones via the hp jack?
[21:17] <frederic_> I know I don't have a hw or network problem because wifi work ok when booting from windows
[21:17] <pac1> apt-get update made it  work. thanks.
[21:17] <philsf> dtchen, speakers
[21:17] <ktwo> anyone else noticed that the mouse cursor freezes sometimes when typing with the keyboard ?  especially annoying when you need to press a key while navigating with the mouse
[21:18] <dupondje> ktwo: didn't notice something like that :s
[21:18] <dtchen> philsf: can you mute Headphone, please? In a Terminal, amixer set 'Headphone' mute
[21:18] <rigodeni> arand_: ive never done a bug report
[21:18] <ktwo> can you please try ? whilst typing (for example here) move the mouse , does it run smooth ?
[21:18] <ktwo> on my notebook it stands still - maybe it is normal but it doesnt seem to me
[21:19] <mirda> having problems disabling emulate3buttons in 9.10 Karmic. wrote a .fdi file for that purpose, but still no dice. Anyone that may be able to help?
[21:19] <rigodeni> arand_: im just trying it on my friends laptop with windows on it, if it works on there it should work on here right?
[21:19] <rigodeni> arand_: to make sure its not my MP3
[21:19] <dupondje> ktwo: can't reproduce :s
[21:19] <ktwo> ok :|
[21:19] <philsf> dtchen, no effect
[21:20] <ktwo> dupondje did you use a mouse or touchpad?
[21:20] <dupondje> mouse
[21:20] <ktwo> coz it seems an attacked mouse doesnt to that, only the touchpad
[21:21] <dupondje> neither with touchpad tho :s
[21:21] <ktwo> ;<
[21:21] <dtchen> philsf: does the following command give you audible sound? pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0 -l2
[21:22] <ktwo> ok.. can u pls tell me if it is a synaptics touchpad?
[21:22] <arand_> rigodeni: booting a livecd, either karmic on the win machine, or jaunty on the karmic machine, would be an indication as to wether or not it's the mp3, but since it already is shown to work, at the moment, on windows, I think that we can assume it's karmic.
[21:22] <philsf> dtchen, no sound
[21:22] <philsf> it appears to have tried 4 times, twice each side
[21:23] <rigodeni> arand_: ok yep it works on windows vista :P
[21:23] <dtchen> philsf: do you have any custom model quirks that you added yourself in /etc/modprobe.d/* ?
[21:23] <arand_> rigodeni: reporting a bug is not complicated, register for a launchpad.net account and then just do "ubuntu-bug linux" and follow the instructions.
[21:24] <philsf> dtchen, no I don't. It always just worked
[21:24] <ktwo> ook dupondje i just figured out :D " disable touchpad while typing " was activated by default it seems now, now it is fine
[21:25] <mirda> having problems disabling emulate3buttons in 9.10 Karmic. wrote a .fdi file for that purpose, but still no dice. Anyone that may be able to help?
[21:25] <dupondje> ktwo:  :P
[21:25] <dupondje> didn't even know that was availible :p
[21:25] <rigodeni> arand_: strange, i can browse it on windows but it doesnt show my music that i copied on linux... yet it shows its almost full capacity... cant see it though
[21:25] <philsf> dtchen, I just added two screenshots of the GUI. I find it strange that it appears not to have detected my hardware.
[21:26] <mirda> ktwo: what?
[21:26] <mirda> dupondje: what?
[21:26] <dtchen> philsf: ah, ok. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[21:26] <dtchen> philsf: let me know when you have uploaded it
[21:26] <ktwo> the touchpad (maybe only synaptic) will be disabled when typing by default
[21:27] <arand_> rigodeni: hmm, suspicious that, if I were you I'd use a jaunty livecd to copy the music off it (provided you're able to access it) and then reformat it...
[21:27] <mirda> am I in the wrong place asking for help on 9.10 Karmic perhaps?
[21:28] <tavasti> mirda, right place
[21:28] <rigodeni> arand_: i already got the music from it on my drive, i was wanting to put some new stuff on it, so im formatting it now, in the MP3 itself theres a formatt option
[21:29] <ktwo> maybe just no one knows it
[21:29] <mirda> well, then I would like to elaborate:
[21:30] <mirda> as a default option in Karmic, it seems that it activates emulate3buttons, regardsless wether you have a 2 button, 3 button or 20 button mouse. It's always on.
[21:30] <mirda> this is ofc silly, since todays mice are never less than 3 buttons, unless u use an old max
[21:30] <mirda> mac
[21:30] <arand_> rigodeni: might be that the mp3 spontaneously corrupted, if the issue remains after reformat, it's bug-time though ;)
[21:31] <philsf> dtchen, I just uploaded it now
[21:31] <rigodeni> arand_: ya its formatted now and still wont mount
[21:32] <mirda> could someone else with a 3 button mouse please check this: select some text (in this window perhaps) and copy it. then see if you can paste it with middle button AND by pressing left+right mouse button
[21:32] <arand_> and it works as it should, add/remove files in windows?
[21:33] <rigodeni> arand_: by the way, theres a "USB mode" setting on my player, "MTP" and "MSC"
[21:34] <ktwo> using a realtek hd audio on ATi SB4x0 SB - should i install any extra driver or use the one which comes with 9.10 - cos i have the feeling that sometimes the audio lags for some ms or does short noises
[21:34] <mjmac> mirda: i have an intellimouse (clicky scroll wheel).  can't paste with two buttons.
[21:35] <tavasti> mirda, I don't have emulate3buttons effect
[21:35] <dtchen> philsf: it's here, clearly:
[21:35] <dtchen> D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
[21:35] <dtchen> D: module-udev-detect.c: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0 is busy: yes
[21:35] <mM94> hello everyone.
[21:35] <mirda> I have a Logitech mx518, just checking something out atm, thanks for the replies =)
[21:35] <arand_> rigodeni: I have no idea what it mean, poke and see if it works ;)
[21:36] <dtchen> philsf: so, sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*
[21:36] <mM94> i just installed karmic rc and it didn't automatically load the open source ati driver
[21:36] <dtchen> philsf: please attach output from that command to the bug report
[21:38] <thiebaude> mM94, did you goto system-administration-hardware drivers?
[21:38] <philsf> dtchen, hmm, it shows slmodemd using
[21:38] <philsf> dtchen, I just attached it
[21:38] <dtchen> philsf: yep. So you need to deinstall slmodemd.
[21:39] <mM94> thiebaude, yes. It says no proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[21:39] <philsf> dtchen, cool! killing it, and restarting pulseaudio makes my device appear in the GUI
[21:40] <thiebaude> mM94, ok
[21:40] <thiebaude> mM94, is this a clean install?
[21:41] <philsf> dtchen, I have sound now!
[21:41] <mM94> yep
[21:41] <mM94> thiebaude, i mean yep
[21:42] <mM94> thiebaude, it worked on the beta.
[21:42] <philsf> dtchen, does this mean my bug is invalid, or just should be reported against slmodemd?
[21:42] <thiebaude> mM94, im not sure how to fix that
[21:42] <mM94> thiebaude, okay thanks anyway
[21:42] <dtchen> philsf: it's invalid; I've changed it.
[21:42] <thiebaude> mM94, np
[21:43] <philsf> dtchen, thank you very much
[21:50] <DanaG> Grr, stupid NetworkManager... ever since the removal of nm-system-settings, the "available to all users" thing has been very unreliable.
[21:50] <DanaG> And iwl3945 drops out after a while, too.
[21:51] <Heikki123> has anyone tried usb-creator to make a bootable ubuntu usb pen drive lately?
[21:51] <Heikki123> it only works with cdrom, not with a cd-image currently with me
[21:51] <maco> Heikki123: eject your cd rom
[21:51] <Heikki123> i did it already
[21:52] <maco> oh
[21:52] <dtchen> DanaG: even with linux-backports-modules-karmic?
[21:52] <DanaG> Yup, that's what I'm on.
[21:53] <Heikki123> it only says installation failed
[21:53] <dtchen> it's probably the mac80211 changes, then
[21:53] <DanaG> I believe I've even seen it fail to transmit packets... to where even the "transmit" LED-trigger gave nothing.
[21:54] <dtchen> yeah, in those cases I yank the device and reinsert it
[21:54] <DanaG> er, s/3945/agn/
[21:54] <DanaG> it's iwlagn.
[21:54] <DanaG> And the default of blinking the (rfkill) LED on activity... really sucks.
[21:55] <dtchen> I think Windows does it, too
[21:55] <georgy> ohai, there is a command that updates everything in 9.10 right? there was one or two o.o? i forget though
[21:55] <dtchen> I concur, however. It's quite distracting.
[21:55] <DanaG> Not on my wifi card.
[21:56] <DanaG> In the Intel INF, it's actually different for different vendors!
[21:56] <dtchen> DanaG: ah, this Netgear has awful behaviour in Windows.
[21:56] <DanaG> HP has it not blink, for example.
[21:56] <DanaG> Wait, a removable IWL card?
[21:56] <k90201> how does one fix the disable ipv6 issue
[21:56] <DanaG> Or some broadcom?
[21:56] <asraniel> hi there, is there a known bug that ark can't open certain zip files? i try to extract subtitles from a zip file and there is no way to make it work
[21:56] <dtchen> DanaG: no, ar9170usb-based.
[21:56] <DanaG> ah.
[21:57] <arand_> georgy: running the update manager?
[21:57] <k90201> in the linux kernel
[21:58] <DanaG> Hmm, take a look in the INF file... there may be a registry setting regarding LEDs.
[21:58] <georgy> there was a command in terminal
[21:59] <thiebaude> georgy, sudo apt-get update
[21:59] <georgy> ohh
[21:59] <georgy> lol, i see
[22:00] <arand_> georgy: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade .. will do the same thing...
[22:00] <georgy> was doing "install update"
[22:00] <georgy> haha
[22:00] <georgy> thank you thiebaude & arand_
[22:00] <thiebaude> georgy, np
[22:00] <DanaG> dtchen: nifty idea: http://www.hwtools.net/CardReader/MR11.html
[22:01] <arand_> georgy: yea, for apt-get it's "update" and then run it again with only "upgrade"
[22:01] <DanaG> Stick a mini-pcie card in the thing.
[22:01] <endofdaze> is the limit bandwith function not working in Ubuntu One for anyone else?
[22:01] <Heikki123> hah, found out that the problem comes from umlauts being in the folder name
[22:02] <nconrads> Anyone report that firefox menus are not functioning?
[22:02] <Makoto> Firefox menus work fine for me
[22:02] <Heikki123> nconrads: define "not working"
[22:03] <nconrads> Well, updated today and I can't get them to pop - File, Edit bar and right-clicking on pages.
[22:03] <Makoto> Which version of firefox - 3.5 or 3.6
[22:03] <nconrads> 3.5.3
[22:03] <reagleBRKLN> i can't find python-psyco in the karmic repos...?!?
[22:03] <Makoto> Alright, well I'm actually running that and it works alright for me :S
[22:04] <Makoto> Dunno why it'd be causing you grief
[22:04] <reagleBRKLN> it is here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/python-psyco
[22:04] <reagleBRKLN> but doesn't work with apt-get
[22:04] <nconrads> Yeah, I really don't know why either.
[22:04] <reagleBRKLN> ah, i see, there's no version for ia64, that stinks
[22:04] <Makoto> Try a apt-get purge firefox && apt-get install firefox and see if that fixes it
[22:04] <Heikki123> lol, i just upgraded my ubuntu on my laptop and when i unplug the charger, ubuntu will immediately go to power save mode shutting down the display
[22:04] <nconrads> Ok, thanks - I'll try that.
[22:05] <Heikki123> hmm, tried it 3 times, and the same happened every time, but after waiting for a wile, it didn't do it anymore
[22:05] <nconrads> Ok, weird - still no fix there.
[22:06] <Makoto> If you're running Compiz try turning it off
[22:06] <Makoto> maybe that would fix it?
[22:07] <DanaG> I have the same sort of powersavings issues, sometimes.
[22:07] <nconrads> Would that be "compiz" in the system monitor?  I don't see that listed.
[22:07] <DanaG> If I boot on battery, it'll later on autosuspend because it thinks I'm idle.
[22:07] <DanaG> It hasn't happened in a while, though.
[22:07] <pwnguin> is the gnome desktop background rotation user customizable?
[22:07] <Makoto> Easy way to do it is to right-click on your Desktop, go to the Special Effects tab (far right), and select None
[22:07] <eitreach_> Does anyone know how to get mouse gestures back in Compiz for 9.10?
[22:08] <Makoto> Well that's funny, I can't connect using Ubuntu One
[22:09] <nconrads> Strange, now the menus are back.  I suspect that the package purge did the trick, but the fix happened after a second start of firefox.  Thanks, Makoto!
[22:09] <rasstar>  can version 9.10 work with raid 0? when i boot ubuntu it sees the raid drives as one and i installed it to a free partition created in windows. it installed but i get no selection to boot
[22:09] <Makoto> You're welcome :)
[22:09] <hvgotcodes> how do i enable fglrx drivers from hardware drivers app?  Its not there in the beta?
[22:10] <dtchen> reagleBRKLN: do you have a burning need for psyco?
[22:10] <dtchen> reagleBRKLN: I can reprioritise if you really, really need it for something critical.
[22:10] <reagleBRKLN> dtchen: I just upgraded to ext4 and wanted to run fidefrag.py which takes advantage of it
[22:10] <reagleBRKLN> dtchen: that means you have amd64 binaries?
[22:11] <dtchen> reagleBRKLN: no, it means I can look at the problem
[22:11] <drbobb> hey what happened to /dev/xconsole in karmic - it's no longer there
[22:11] <reagleBRKLN> dtchen:  not critical, and i'm not expert, but it seems a shame not to have it for 64bit
[22:12] <reagleBRKLN> i use it for somethings, sometimes (e.g., pyparsing)
[22:13] <del_diablo> !minimal
[22:14] <hvgotcodes> how do i tell if the open source drivers for my card have 3d support?
[22:14] <Makoto> Check the OpenGL Renderer
[22:14] <Makoto> if it's Mesa then you probably don't have 3D support
[22:14] <richardcavell> anyone here using Mac?
[22:14] <hvgotcodes> Makoto how do i check that?
[22:14] <Makoto> just a sec, trying to remember
[22:15] <wgrant> Makoto: That is in no way reliable.
[22:15] <Makoto> glxinfo
[22:15] <del_diablo> How come the !minimal does not say that "There will be no minimal CD until 9.10 is out of beta"?
[22:15] <Makoto> Well, it's probably not the most reliable thing
[22:15] <wgrant> Makoto: Not at all.
[22:15] <Makoto> but I wouldn't suspect that glxgears is 100% reliable either
[22:15] <drbobb> oh btw there used to be a way to install cd-less from images d/l'ed to your hdd, but on karmic it doesn't work anymore
[22:15] <wgrant> drbobb: "doesn't work" is not helpful. Why doesn't it work?
[22:16] <drbobb> wgrant: why is not the right question - i wasn't able to debug it to the extent of finding the reason
[22:16] <hvgotcodes> Makoto OpenGl ventor string is mesa
[22:16] <hvgotcodes> so shouldn't the fglrx drivers be in my hardware drivers progra>
[22:17] <Makoto> If you're using FGLRX then the render *should* be ATI
[22:17] <wgrant> drbobb: What does it not do?
[22:17] <wgrant> hvgotcodes: What sort of card do you have?
[22:17] <scott_ino2> anyone know if the tearing issue was fixed with the fglrx driver
[22:17] <drbobb> wgrant: it fails to find the installtion iso
[22:17] <Wolter> Hi
[22:17] <hvgotcodes> mobility hd 3670 or something like that
[22:17] <wgrant> drbobb: What do you mean by 'it' and 'fails'?
[22:17] <hvgotcodes> wgrant: ^^
[22:17] <Makoto> Yep, that's not right - render should be ATI
[22:18] <Makoto> Did you install the drivers using the restricted drivers manager in System -> Administration?
[22:18] <drbobb> wgrant: by it i mean the installer, and by fails - that the message is some wording of installation image not found
[22:18] <wgrant> Makoto: The problem is that they do not show up.
[22:18] <Wolter> I yesterday left my computer installing upgrades and today I turn it on and it hangs at a console with ¨checking battery status¨ ...done after the usplash
[22:18] <wgrant> drbobb: Have you fild a bug?
[22:18] <Wolter> How can I solve this?
[22:18] <Makoto> That's true wgrant
[22:18] <hvgotcodes> poo whats the key combo to kill x?  I tried to start compiz and it pooped the bed
[22:18] <drbobb> wgrant: I regret I haven't
[22:19] <Makoto> CTRL+ALT+BKSP, but only if you enabled it in your userspace
[22:19] <wgrant> hvgotcodes: Alt+SysRq+K
[22:19] <DanaG> Unfortunately, that's far less reliable than "zap".
[22:19] <drbobb> I used a different trick instead
[22:19] <Makoto> ah, SysRq.  I miss having that key on my keyboards.
[22:19] <DanaG> Zap makes it shut down.....
[22:19] <wgrant> DanaG: Well, not for KMS.
[22:19] <DanaG> SAK just plain nukes it.
[22:19] <wgrant> DanaG: KMS solves everything.
[22:19] <DanaG> Too bad R600 KMS uses bucketloads of power, compared to fglrx.
[22:20] <wgrant> Well, that's why it's not on by default.
[22:20] <DanaG> (And that's with custom drm-2.6 kernel.)
[22:20] <wgrant> It's not done.
[22:20] <hvgotcodes> Makoto: it isnt listed in hardware drivers
[22:20] <DanaG> Righty-oh.
[22:20] <Makoto> Try installing it by hand - download the latest driver from the ATI site
[22:20] <drbobb> wgrant: I found that Karmic is broken on my system in a different way anyway, which has been filed multiple times since intrepid, and does not appear to be on the way of getting fixed
[22:20] <del_diablo> How come the !minimal does not say that "There will be no minimal CD until 9.10 is out of beta"? WHY? I am really curious of this.
[22:21] <wgrant> drbobb: Bug number?
[22:21] <DanaG> Makoto: remember to do --buildpkg
[22:21] <wgrant> del_diablo: Because nobody put it there.
[22:21] <DanaG> Don't just install, use the "create a package" thing.
[22:21] <scott_ino2> for what it's worth, this was a bug in jaunty with no proprietary drivers not showing up immediately after opening hardware drivers after fresh install, wondering if it's related to the original bug
[22:21] <hvgotcodes> makoto: hmm it just showed up wierd
[22:21] <Makoto> Right, don't forget the buildpkg
[22:21] <Makoto> oh it did?
[22:21] <del_diablo> wgrant: If you say "nobody put it there", then where is it located?
[22:21] <drbobb> wgrant: many of those found on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis
[22:21] <wgrant> Ah. sis.
[22:22] <hvgotcodes> scott_ino2: probably that bug
[22:22] <hvgotcodes> isnt KK going to released in a week?
[22:22] <drbobb> wgrant: and I don't mean lack of 3d accel
[22:22] <hvgotcodes> i would have though most bugs would be sorted out
[22:22] <Makoto> technically 5 days hvgotcodes
[22:22] <jimpop> hah
[22:22] <thiebaude> hvgotcodes, Oct 29
[22:22] <wgrant> del_diablo: It presumably is there. I don't see why it wouldn't be.
[22:22] <wgrant> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[22:22] <hvgotcodes> i was hoping i would finally get suspend/resume support....SIGH
[22:23] <Makoto> Suspend/Resume for ATI?
[22:23] <wgrant> hvgotcodes: Have you filed a bug?
[22:23] <dmatt> I'm testing Karmic on old laptop with P4 and there is not CPU frequency throttling available... it works on Hardy. Where to start with troubleshooting?
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> wgrant its all over bugzilla
[22:23] <Makoto> Not likely until the opensource drivers take over
[22:23] <wgrant> hvgotcodes: Precisely your case?
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> i know because i tried and it crashed and then on reboot it asked to file a bug
[22:23] <hvgotcodes> wgrant same machine
[22:23] <wgrant> Ah.
[22:23] <Makoto> I've got throttling dmatt
[22:24] <wgrant> dmatt: Look in /var/log/dmesg for anything about CPU frequency scaling.
[22:24] <drbobb> wgrant: but I do agree the failing hd-install ought to be reported, although it appears very few people use that feature
[22:24] <wgrant> dmatt: you will probably end up wanting to file a bug, with 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[22:24] <DanaG> oh yeah, there's xorg-edgers for the daring.
[22:24] <jhaig> I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic but after the packages get downloaded I get "Failed to fetch <package-name>.deb Size mismatch"  Any suggestions?
[22:24] <scott_ino2> hvgotcodes, that's sad they haven't fixed that yet
[22:24] <wgrant> jhaig: Try a different mirror, or fix/avoid the proxy between you and it.
[22:24] <scott_ino2> I'm wondering what's causing that
[22:24] <wgrant> scott_ino2: It's not the same bug.
[22:24] <drbobb> wgrant: I was forced intro trying it by a failed dvd drive
[22:24] <hvgotcodes> scott_ino2 yeah i know -- i thought with catalyst 9.10 it would be fixed but i guess not...
[22:24] <wgrant> drbobb: USB mass storage devices.
[22:25] <scott_ino2> wgrant, is it related to the original in any way then?
[22:25] <jhaig> wgrant: I am using a proxy.  Do you think that could be the problem?  I have never had problems downloading packages through the proxy before.
[22:25] <scott_ino2> wgrant, im just wondering
[22:25] <wgrant> scott_ino2: Unlikely. This is far more likely to be hardware-specific.
[22:25] <wgrant> jhaig: Yes. That is always a proxy or a broken mirror, and it is far more likely to be a broken mirror.
[22:25] <drbobb> wgrant: that's cool, but hd-install ought to work as well if i already have a working linux on my pc
[22:25] <scott_ino2> well i had the same thing happen for me too.. so i was curious
[22:25] <del_diablo> jhaig: I use proxy a bit, and downloading packages worked under it :P Remember to set synaptics to use the proxy
[22:26] <wgrant> drbobb: It should. You need to make sure there's a bug about it.
[22:26] <wgrant> del_diablo: It depends on just how broken the proxy is.
[22:27] <scott_ino2> hvgotcodes, are you using fglrx? if so i have a question for you
[22:28] <jhaig> del_diablo: All the packages download OK, but then it fails at the end.
[22:28] <drbobb> what about my /dev/xconsole question? I've been using it on all my debian systems for years, and now it's gone :(
[22:28] <assoguerozen_sx> there is an alternate cd fot RC release?
[22:29] <Makoto> scott_ino2, maybe I can field your fglrx question?
[22:29] <scott_ino2> assoguerozen_sx, yes
[22:29] <thiebaude> assoguerozen_sx, there should be a daily alternate cd
[22:29] <scott_ino2> Makoto, do you know what version of the driver they went from to the present?
[22:29] <Makoto> Oh, that...
[22:29] <scott_ino2> Makoto, i wasn't using the fglrx driver because of tearing issues
[22:29] <wgrant> assoguerozen_sx: It's right next to the desktop CD.
[22:29] <assoguerozen_sx> yes, there is (lol)
[22:29] <Makoto> I could check, but it'd take a minute - I have to turn on my tower
[22:30] <scott_ino2> Makoto, no worries then i can look it up just wondering if you know off the top of your head
[22:30] <Makoto> I'd like to say 8.67 but I really don't think that's it
[22:30] <dmatt> wgrant: no single line about scaling, but I see "cpufreq-nforce2: no nForce2 chipset" thing there
[22:30] <thiebaude> assoguerozen_sx, thats what i used the other day to install
[22:30] <Makoto> not to mention, the latest incarnation of Catalyst doesn't seem to fix very much, at least on my end anyway
[22:31] <scott_ino2> Makoto, as i said, i had tearing issues so was using the radeonHD driver before which i actually love, but external monitor support with it stinks
[22:31] <philsf> which dirs should I delete to clear empathy's configs and caches so it re-imports my settings from pidgin?
[22:31] <scott_ino2> Makoto, yeah was wondering mostly about Xvideo and video tearing
[22:31] <Makoto> Hmm.  I think I had an issue similar to that, let's see how I resolved it
[22:31] <wgrant> dmatt: ubuntu-bug linux, and see what they say.
[22:31] <scott_ino2> Makoto, Which was why i was using the open source radeonhd driver with custom xorg settings.
[22:31] <Makoto> just a sec, got to dig through a post or two
[22:31] <wgrant> Makoto: Well, it *is* fglrx. You can't expect it to work properly.
[22:32] <Makoto> I can't expect ANYTHING proprietary to work well.  Except nvidia.
[22:32] <Makoto> But anyway.
[22:32] <Makoto> First, the newest driver version is 8.66.2 scott_ino2
[22:32] <scott_ino2> Makoto, ty
[22:32] <Makoto> Second, it's likely you had an issue with a broken RandR1.2
[22:32] <scott_ino2> ahhhh i see...
[22:33] <scott_ino2> Makoto, is this something that would still be broken in karmic?
[22:33] <Makoto> it's something directly related to the driver itself
[22:33] <scott_ino2> or has it been resolved if you know off the top of your head... im gonna install it either way to test
[22:33] <Makoto> and that can be fixed, but let me find the way I did it
[22:34] <assoguerozen_sx> thiebaude normal cd give so much thing i don't need and don't want
[22:34] <Makoto> okay, the command for the fix is aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,EnableRandR12,False
[22:34] <assoguerozen_sx> thinking about do a fresh install by alternate cd
[22:34] <Makoto> best advice though - if you don't want to chance it, stay with the open source drivers
[22:34] <thiebaude> assoguerozen_sx, yea, i only have 700mb cd's (forgot to buy dvd's,lol)
[22:35] <thiebaude> assoguerozen_sx, now i can make mine from now on, instead of doing ship-it
[22:35] <scott_ino2> Makoto, yeah, i love the open source driver but like i said that lack of easy external monitor support was pretty bad
[22:36] <Makoto> Yeah.
[22:36] <pwnguin> I notice gnome background has a rotation thingy now. is it user customizable, or do i just need to like space more?
[22:36] <wgrant> That should be OK on most chips now.
[22:36] <apoc_> Can I control which screen the Gnome Panel appears on? In Jaunty it was always on the topmost screen
[22:36] <Makoto> apoc_ as far as I understand it you were always able to unlock+move the gnome panels
[22:37] <Jordan_U> pwnguin: In GNOME style it's probably configurable by editing a .desktop file but not through the GUI
[22:37] <scott_ino2> Makoto, and lack of compiz, but i don't need it
[22:37] <penguin42> apoc_: Drag it with alt+middle
[22:37] <pwnguin> hah
[22:37] <pwnguin> Jordan_U: im guessing it's a directory
[22:37] <Makoto> I dunno, compiz sometimes increases productivity
[22:37] <Makoto> and I use this tongue-in-cheek
[22:37] <Makoto> since I don't need to see rain to be able to do Prolog. :|
[22:37] <drbobb> in gnome, the Places menu shows my unmounted filesystems identifying them by size only. Shouldn't it be displaying the filesystem labels?
[22:38] <apoc_> Dragging doesn't seem to work, but I think now I can do it with xrandr --primary somehow
[22:38] <wgrant> pwnguin: Plagiarise from /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos.
[22:38] <wgrant> pwnguin: Looks easy enough.
[22:39] <pwnguin> so just add an xml file?
[22:39] <DanaG> argh, brightness OSD doesn't work in gnome-stracciatella-session!
[22:39] <wgrant> pwnguin: Create a directory with images and an XML file, I guss.
[22:39] <DanaG> SOmebody must've broken gnome-power-manager to make it work with notify-osd.
[22:40] <jimpop> DanaG, g-p-m is very broken :-(
[22:40] <jimpop> but it will be released in 5 (really 4) days
[22:40] <wgrant> Is the breakage filed?
[22:40] <jimpop> oh yeah
[22:40] <wgrant> eg?
[22:41] <jimpop> but filing a bug shouldn't qualify as a release check-mark
[22:41] <jimpop> wgrant, too many for me to post here... look in lp, there are plenty
[22:41] <wgrant> No. But it is probably not worth holding up an Ubuntu release. That is not how Ubuntu releases work.
[22:41]  * DanaG is installing kde4, just for the heck of it.
[22:42] <DanaG> Oh, and notify-osd is just as sucky as always.  :(
[22:42] <wgrant> DanaG: It's more sucky than Jaunty.
[22:42] <DanaG> Hence me using gnome-stracciatella-session.
[22:42] <thiebaude> wgrant, there was one release years ago that was delayed
[22:42] <Makoto> My only complaint about notify-osd is that it isn't customizable
[22:42] <Makoto> oh, and that it lags your machine sometimes.
[22:42] <jimpop> even Microsoft delays....
[22:42] <maco> thiebaude: that was dapper though
[22:42] <DanaG> My complaint is that it laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggsssss and eats CPU while doing so.
[22:42] <maco> that was the fist LTS
[22:42] <maco> that was "its LTS, so we gotta do it right"
[22:42] <Makoto> wonder why it lags so badly though...
[22:43] <wgrant> thiebaude: It was decided on more than a month before release, was a well-defined delay, and was a disaster for Edgy.
[22:43] <DanaG> And that "max-volume" throbbing makes it even worse.
[22:43] <del_diablo> Makoto: Some obscure coding error? :P
[22:43] <dupondje> somebody ever tried Grub2 and dmraid ? .)
[22:43] <DanaG> And now they've gone and broken the OLD way, too!
[22:43] <thiebaude> wgrant, i remember it, that was my first time using ubuntu was 6.06
[22:43] <Makoto> More likely than not calling libraries that aren't absolutely necessary
[22:43] <pwnguin> maco: arguably the last lts should have been delayed
[22:43] <Makoto> but possibly del_diablo
[22:43] <DanaG> So I now have no notification upon pressing volume control keys.
[22:43] <wgrant> DanaG: File a bug.
[22:43] <wgrant> pwnguin: Why?
[22:44] <DanaG> er
[22:44] <DanaG> s/volume/brightness/
[22:44] <Makoto> DanaG I'm afraid to turn up the volume, since it'd be most likely to blow out my speakers now.
[22:44] <apoc_> Aha, Karmic renamed LVDS->LVDS1 and VGA->VGA1 in xrandr
[22:44] <Makoto> But yeah, a bug filing would be good.
[22:44] <pwnguin> wgrant: i cant recall anymore. pulseaudio probably.
[22:44] <DanaG> Try turning down, instead.
[22:44] <DanaG> There's a min-volume throb, too.
[22:44] <Makoto> I had not noticed how horribly laggy it was.
[22:44] <Makoto> Wow.
[22:44] <wgrant> apoc_: Right, various drivers have renamed things.
[22:44] <pwnguin> wgrant: i know there was a lot of post lts activity by canonical and complaints about how these bugs were slipping into updates instead of before release
[22:45] <maco> pwnguin: thatll always hapen
[22:45] <wgrant> It was particularly bad for Hardy.
[22:45] <DanaG> Is there any way to check how quickly a key repeats?
[22:45] <amgarchIn9> apoc_: does xrandr work with you?
[22:45] <DanaG> And measure it?
[22:45] <wgrant> But I would not want a repeat of Edgy. I don't think anybody else wants one either.
[22:45] <maco> pwnguin: in pulseaudio's case...having them release a new one a couple weeks before ubuntu releases (or a week after..) doesnt help ;)
[22:45] <pwnguin> was edgy the one with broken x upload?
[22:45] <wgrant> No.
[22:45] <DanaG> xev doesn't give timecodes, does it?
[22:45] <wgrant> That was Dapper.
[22:45] <maco> no that was dapper
[22:45] <DanaG> ... nope, it doesn't.
[22:46] <pwnguin> it all blurs together
[22:46] <maco> pwnguin: and youll never hit your max # of testcases til after release
[22:46] <pwnguin> DanaG: there's a moreutils program that timestamps stdout
[22:46] <bjsnider> what was wrong with edgy?
[22:46] <wgrant> Yes, there is a whole lot of stuff that could be fixed before release.
[22:46] <wgrant> But there is lots of stuff that's not discovered until after release.
[22:47] <wgrant> bjsnider: It was a short, broken, 4 month cycle?
[22:47] <bjsnider> was it?
[22:47] <wgrant> I don't remember specifics. But it was not a good release.
[22:47] <bjsnider> how awkward
[22:47] <pwnguin> bjsnider: dapper was delayed to .06, but 6.10 didnt delay
[22:47] <pwnguin> because gnome doesnt move
[22:48] <dtchen> well, sound was great in Edgy, and that's all that matters!
[22:48] <dtchen> :p
[22:48] <pwnguin> heh
[22:48] <pwnguin> i like the pulse dialogs in karmic
[22:48] <dtchen> in all seriousness, there was a quite compressed schedule, so many things fell through the cracks
[22:48]  * maco hugs dtchen
[22:48] <bjsnider> i guess dtchen is saying that alsa alone was better than alsa+pulse
[22:49] <scott_ino2> the OSD mac style displays for the indicator applet show up halfway down my screen on the right, anyone know how to change this?
[22:49] <ck773> Sound kicks in Karmic...i'm listening to CDs cranked..
[22:49] <scott_ino2> otherwise i need to file a bug report
[22:49] <DanaG>  * pee: tee standard input to pipes
[22:49] <wgrant> scott_ino2: Really half-way, or about one notification-height from the top?
[22:49] <maco> bjsnider: i think he's making a joke about people who act like poor audio totally destroys the computer
[22:49] <scott_ino2> wgrant, id say about two or three nofication heights
[22:49] <scott_ino2> at least
[22:49] <scott_ino2> yeah
[22:49] <wgrant> scott_ino2: Hm, that doesn't sound normal.
[22:50] <ck773> But I want to sort my music library better...there isn't a ppa for Karmic Songbird yet
[22:50] <bjsnider> maco, i was kidding about that
[22:50] <wgrant> One notification height is normal (although it looks awful)
[22:50] <bjsnider> i've never had a pulse problem
[22:50] <nxnn14> Hi I am running karmic and the ethernet is recognized and only works after a reboot not when the computer is booted cold. My network card is a realtek RTL8101e with kernel driver r8169. Does anyone have any ideas for this?
[22:50] <maco> bjsnider: oh. 2 jokes!
[22:50] <scott_ino2> wgrant, I would think there's a way to easily fix this by some basic editing :)
[22:50] <wgrant> scott_ino2: ubuntu-bug notify-osd
[22:50] <pwnguin> DanaG: it's like a pipe fork
[22:50] <scott_ino2> writing now... i'll check first
[22:51] <pwnguin> DanaG: instead of writing stdout to a file, it writes it to a second pipe
[22:51] <scott_ino2> wgrant, maybe even put in a feature request for user-specified movement..
[22:51] <wgrant> scott_ino2: But what you have now is not sane. I would consider it a bug.
[22:52] <scott_ino2> wgrant, i mean it's probably two to three which for me on my display which is about %40 percent down on my screen
[22:52] <scott_ino2> wgrant, im not stressing it, just "isn't right" you know.
[22:54] <scott_ino2> wgrant, i'll look into it maybe i can submit an easy fix
[22:55] <Wayfarer_> I just want to report I've had minimal problems. I did encounter the grub error upon an unclean shutdown - has that been fixed?
[22:56] <scott_ino2> wgrant, looks like they have more serious bugs related to notify-osd at the moment ;)
[22:56] <Jordan_U> Wayfarer_: Yes
[22:56] <Wayfarer_> good to hearm Jordan_U
[22:57] <Wayfarer_> heh. I hearm lots of good things
[22:57] <bjsnider> is hearm a word now?
[22:58] <Wayfarer_> no.
[22:58] <evilaim> Hey, when I reboot, my compiz settings aren't saved:(
[22:58] <Wayfarer_> it's what happens when you hear something, mean to pause, but say "Mmm" instead.
[22:59] <Wayfarer_> eeepc 1005ha pux btw
[23:00] <evilaim> anyone?
[23:00] <evilaim> is there a way to make compiz load the profile automatically
[23:00] <DanaG> ah, part of the issue with notify-osd is that it's really slow at responding to keys.
[23:00] <DanaG> Look at the time between key-repeats on my thingy: http://pastebin.com/f6a7ec557
[23:00] <DanaG> Notify-OSD rather thoroughly chokes on that.
[23:01] <BUGabundo> evilaim: old bug
[23:01] <BUGabundo> should be fixed
[23:01] <BUGabundo> please upgrade an test again
[23:01] <BUGabundo> if you still see it, open a bug and state as regression
[23:01] <mirda> gnome-screensaver not showing unlock dialogue, but unlocking working otherwise as intended. Anyone know howto fix?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> evilaim: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:01] <nxnn14> Hi I am running karmic and the ethernet is recognized and only works after a reboot not when the computer is booted cold. My network card is a realtek RTL8101e with kernel driver r8169. Does anyone have any ideas for this?
[23:02] <Wayfarer_> evilaim, and maybe try #compiz
[23:02] <wgrant> nxnn14: ubuntu-bug linux. That sounds like a bug.
[23:02] <nxnn14> i have submitted it as a bug already but just wanting to see if anyone had any ideas
[23:02] <nxnn14> it has been a problem for me since hardy
[23:02] <nxnn14> and everything inbetween
[23:03] <evilaim> ya aight
[23:05] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f21182dc3
[23:05] <DanaG> heh, so that's why notify-osd chokes so thoroughly.
[23:05] <DanaG> It's repeating literally every 5/100 of a second.
[23:07] <UKMerlin__> Is Ubuntu One active ? I instaled 8.10 beta and signed up but couldnt get a connection
[23:07] <UKMerlin__> i mean 9.10
[23:07] <reagleBRKLN> i thought i'd upgrade an old computer (with gutsy) but the boot fails with the install CD because of a belkin wireless F5D7000 RTL8185L PCI card
[23:07] <reagleBRKLN> is there a way to blacklist a module at grub? then I could install and use ndiswrapper at least
[23:07] <zorael> Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/435352 warrant being tagged as also affects ubuntu-release-notes? MSI Winds are troubled in Karmic, and it's a semi-popular netbook after all. Other bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/415023. No USB, oscillating/uncontrollable brightness settings and maxed out cpu use from dbus brightness messages makes for a pretty bad experience
[23:07] <mirda> gnome-screensaver not showing unlock dialogue, but unlocking working otherwise as intended. Anyone know howto fix?
[23:08] <xrandr> ok, what's a good wifi manager for ubuntu... im running in kde
[23:08] <wgrant> xrandr: Network Manager -- the default.
[23:08] <thiebaude> !wicd
[23:09] <maco> thiebaude: you forgot the word info
[23:09] <wgrant> zorael: Maybe just do it. The worst that can happen is it will be rejected and slangasek will eat your brain.
[23:09] <thiebaude> !info wicd
[23:09] <thiebaude> maco, thanks
[23:09] <zorael> wgrant: D:
[23:09] <Wayfarer_> !Canonical
[23:09]  * Jordan_U doesn't see any advantage of wicd
[23:09]  * wgrant neither.
[23:09] <Jork> uau cairo-docks is cool
[23:10]  * thiebaude i dont use it
[23:11] <del_diablo> !LXDE
[23:11] <xrandr> wgrant: I clicked on it, it wont launch. What's the name of the app so i can launch from command line?
[23:11] <wgrant> xrandr: It should be sitting in your system tray.
[23:13] <xrandr> cool, it is
[23:13] <xrandr> brb
[23:14] <UKMerlin> Is Ubuntu One active yet ?
[23:15] <wgrant> UKMerlin: Yes.
[23:15] <UKMerlin> signed up but it wouldnt connect
[23:16] <reklama> http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42665516A5D131
[23:16]  * DanaG goes off to try kde4.
[23:17] <Enlik> "reklama" means "ad" and the link is an ad... :/
[23:17] <Enlik> what a man
[23:18] <Bigshot_> Enlik: what's difference between RC and Oct 29th ubuntu?
[23:19] <Mako`AFK> Bigshot_ - the intent with the RC is to find all remaining showstopper bugs, and the release is basically the "fixed" version of the RC.
[23:19] <reagleBRKLN> how can you see the log of what's being done during boot with livecd? i need to identify bad module
[23:19] <jimpop> hah!   RC means "has bugs"  29-Oct means "has bugs, but we are going to release anyways"
[23:19] <Enlik> Bigshot_: I think that if they don't find any serious bug, no fix would be necessary so it will be the same. I'm not sure.
[23:19] <Bigshot_> Makoto: should i upgrade ubuntu 9.04 to RC?
[23:19] <maco> reagleBRKLN: there is no  boot log
[23:19] <Makoto> reagleBRKLN I would think that dmesg should have it in there if at all
[23:19] <Enlik> o, it's answered yet ;)
[23:19] <Makoto> Bigshot_ : NOOOOO
[23:19] <Makoto> do NOT upgrade production machines to test code
[23:20] <reagleBRKLN> Makoto: but it's freezing, so i don't want splash, i want informative
[23:20] <maco> its rc... not much gonna change
[23:20] <wgrant> Makoto: Well, it depends how production production is.
[23:20] <Makoto> wgrant - I've lost data with a Ubuntu RC before
[23:20] <Makoto> so I backed it up
[23:20] <maco> youre that worried, dont upgrade til 2 months after release
[23:20] <Makoto> reagleBRKLN - how do you mean freezing?  Does it look like it flickers a lot?
[23:20] <reagleBRKLN> kernel locking up, so i just need a livecd nonsplash boot option
[23:21] <reagleBRKLN> Makoto: i need to know which module to blacklist
[23:21] <Makoto> only way to really do that is to boot in as root, so before you get to the grub menu, mash ESC until it gives you the menu
[23:22] <UKMerlin> Clonezilla'd my partition , installed 9.10 , broke sound and XSane for me. Wont stop me playin !
[23:22] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: F6 to edit kernel parameters on the LiveCD
[23:22] <wgrant> Makoto: Esc will no longer give you a GRUB menu. Perhaps you mean to hold down Shift.
[23:22] <Makoto> Funny - worked for me last time I tried it
[23:23] <Makoto> I'll try SHIFT when I do another boot.
[23:23] <reagleBRKLN> Jordan_U:  yes, and which option for verbose?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: Remove "quiet" and "splash"
[23:24]  * penguin42 wonders what script it is that is creating launchpad bugs from kernel oopses that have the title as the cut here line rather than the interesting bit
[23:24] <mirda> anyone have an idea as to why opengl screensavers disable the unlock dialogue?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> mirda: They shouldn't, maybe it's a driver problem and the 3D screensaver is crashing gnome-screensaver
[23:26] <Makoto> It seems that notify-osd is killing my battery life.
[23:26]  * Makoto files a bug about it
[23:26] <mirda> Jordan_U; well it isn'y crashing, cuz I can unlock by typing in my password in the invisible dialogue
[23:26] <mirda> but you are right, the screensaver seems to freeze, not blank as othervise
[23:27] <somebody_> is there a xserver no backfill ppa for karmic?
[23:27] <mirda> I'm using the driver supplied through ubuntu's update feature
[23:27] <Makoto> Yeah
[23:27] <wgrant> How do I send a message in Karmic's Gwibber?
[23:28] <hvgotcodes> Makoto yeah to me?
[23:28] <Makoto> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-weyland/+archive/xserver-nobackfill <- somebody_
[23:28] <jonne> is there anything known about gdm not allowing you to log in?
[23:28] <wgrant> jonne: No. What is it saying?
[23:28] <jonne> just upgraded to karmic
[23:28] <Makoto> what was that hvgotcodes ?
[23:28] <hvgotcodes> i asked about xserver no backfil
[23:28] <jonne> authentication failure
[23:28] <Makoto> oh
[23:29] <Makoto> well yeah, the link's above
[23:29] <Makoto> Guess I didn't notice you change nick.
[23:29] <jonne> and keyboard won't work either
[23:29] <hvgotcodes> in general how do i find such things?
[23:29] <jonne> i can log in with ssh, though
[23:29] <Makoto> Google :P
[23:29] <hvgotcodes> shoot gotta run but thanx
[23:29] <jonne> same password
[23:29] <mirda> anyone using an ati gfxcard here?
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> me
[23:30] <Makoto> I do on ocassion, what's the issue?
[23:31] <mirda> with the driver supplied through ubuntu's update manager, I get this strange behaviour of the gnome-screensaver
[23:31] <mirda> >if< it has anything to do with the driver i.e.
[23:31] <DanaG> ugh, KDE4 already fails my approval test.
[23:31] <jonne> how would i fix keyboard not working, for starters?
[23:31] <DanaG> The first time I logged in, I got a blank black desktop, and nothing else.  At all.
[23:31] <Makoto> there's a few things broken with KDE4, sadly
[23:31] <DanaG> I had to move my .kde dir out of the way and re-log-in.
[23:32] <DanaG> And then I found text to be tiny... it only allows 96 or 120 DPI.  What, is a text box / spin-box too much to ask for?  Are there really only TWO types of monitors in the whole world?
[23:32] <DanaG> (And unfortunately, my EDID lies about my monitor size.)
[23:33] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Standard GNOME, taking away options in new versions... wait what?
[23:33] <DanaG> I'm speaking of KDE4 here, actually.
[23:33] <DanaG> Yeah, it's weird.
[23:33] <DanaG> Oh, and I had no network, also.  The KDE networkmanager thingy doesn't show me any wireless networks, even though the Gnome one worked just fine.
[23:34] <penguin42> DanaG: I think normally the cases where people are explicitly trying to force a DPI are to get away from the monitor being odd and switch to some standard one - I guess that's they're reasoning
[23:35] <DanaG> Mmyeah, no wireless here.
[23:35] <DanaG> In kde4.
[23:35] <localnnuser__> can someone help me out configuring samba?
[23:36] <dmatt> DanaG: I have wireless in KDE4. Jaunty and also Karmic. do you have separate ubuntu and kubuntu installs?
[23:37] <DanaG> No, I just installed kubuntu-desktop onto my existing Ubuntu install.
[23:39] <DanaG> Interesting... if I run nm-applet under kde, it finds my wifi just fine.
[23:39] <DanaG> It's just knetworkmanager being stupid.
[23:39] <DanaG> QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to InterfaceConnectionItem "", which already has a layout
[23:39] <fcuk112> woot! finally got my x-fi working.
[23:42] <jonne> reboot fixed it :/
[23:42] <jonne> weirf
[23:42] <jonne> *weird
[23:43] <DanaG> grr, knetworkmanager... it seems I have to go to "connect to other network" before it'll list my network -- even though it's not a hidden network.
[23:43] <DanaG> That's a silly UI design.
[23:43] <Jordan_U> DanaG: You sure it's knetworkmanager and not KDE's separate network applet
[23:43] <DanaG> Yeah, considering "killall knetworkmanager" gets rid of it.'
[23:44] <dmatt> DanaG: just set it to automatically connect and forget about it :)
[23:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I doubt it's a UI design, it's a bug
[23:46] <DanaG> ugh, tiny text.
[23:47] <Bigshot_> does W7 and ubuntu 9.10 multitouch drivers collide?
[23:48] <Makoto> I wouldn't think so Bigshot_
[23:49] <Bigshot_> i just read
[23:49] <robotti^> where is bug?
[23:49] <Bigshot_> in my pocket
[23:49] <Bigshot_> bugs r in my pocket :D
[23:49] <evilaim> Anyone know how to open and run another partition using virtual box
[23:49] <TuTUXG> evilaim, usb?
[23:49] <evilaim> no
[23:50] <evilaim> I have my drive partitioned... windows 7 on one and ubuntu on the other
[23:50] <Bigshot_> guys vista isn't that bad w/ my multitouch laptop should i still download 9.10 and run it?
[23:50] <evilaim> I want to run windows 7 from inside ubuntu
[23:50] <evilaim> possible?
[23:50] <TuTUXG> i have win7 as a vbox vm
[23:51] <Cyberkilla> Hello, is anybody else noticing that tray icons for several apps have a grey box around them in Karmic? It isn't noticable when you have the default panel, but try making it transparent or setting an image background:O
[23:51] <evilaim> Is it using a .vdi file?
[23:51] <TuTUXG> ya
[23:51] <evilaim> cause that's not what I want to do:)
[23:51] <TuTUXG> but i know wat u mean
[23:51] <evilaim> :)
[23:51] <Cyberkilla> Pidgin, Banshee, GaJim and a few other applications are affected for me.
[23:51] <Bigshot_> any suggestions guys
[23:52] <TuTUXG> Bigshot_, i never used vista and nor have a multitouch screen
[23:52] <TuTUXG> evilaim, search vbox's forum
[23:52] <ubuntu> hi
[23:53] <TuTUXG> evilaim, it may be possible but might harm ur win7 installation
[23:53] <evilaim> I don't really care about the win7 isntall
[23:53] <evilaim> install
[23:53] <evilaim> I just wanted to check it out
[23:53] <ubuntu> i removed my first hdd, where the mbr was installed on, now the first parition of my first hdd is /boot, how can i reinstall grub on my new first hard drive?
[23:53] <Cyberkilla> Nobody having this tray icon trouble? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34141884/tmp.png
[23:54] <Cyberkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/403135
[23:54] <TuTUXG> evilaim, if it on the same hd, it won't perform better than a vdi anyways
[23:54] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: Boot a LiveCD and run "sudo grub-install /dev/whatever"
[23:54] <DanaG> argh.
[23:54] <ubuntu> Jordan_U: k thx, will try
[23:54] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: np
[23:55] <ubuntu> what is whatever? the hdd or the parition?
[23:55]  * Cyberkilla is invisible.
[23:55] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: hdd
[23:55] <ubuntu> k
[23:55] <ubuntu> Jordan_U: it says: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[23:56] <TuTUXG> ubuntu, it should be the hdd that your /boot is on
[23:56] <ubuntu> must the boot partition be set as bootable to get it installed?
[23:57] <ubuntu> well it's the case, it's the first partition in fact
[23:58] <Cyberkilla> hmm
[23:58] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: Do you know how to use chroot?
[23:58] <ubuntu> yes
[23:59] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: Chroot into your install ( with /dev mounted ) and run grub-install there
[23:59] <ubuntu> Jordan_U: btw, find /boot/grub/stage1 in grub prompt says it doesn't find the file
[23:59] <ubuntu> owkay
[23:59] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: That's for GRUB legacy, karmic uses GRUB2