[00:00] <jordan_> well anyway, thanks for the info
[00:01] <ogra> but yes, atm the canonical arm team maintains only two images for teo platforms that re able to run an ubuntu desktop smoothly ... there might be more next release who knows
[00:02] <ogra> s/teo/the
[06:35] <SandGorgon> anybody know if the novatel mifi is linux based?
[20:04] <dpb> Hrmm, is rootstock supposed to work with karmic? qemu-system-arm doesn't seem to exist in karmic...
[20:19] <Meizirkki> dpb, exists here..
[20:20] <Meizirkki> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=qemu-system-arm&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[20:20] <Meizirkki> dpb, install qemu-kvm-extras
[20:31] <lool> dpb: It does
[20:31] <lool> dpb: Package is qemu-arm-static
[20:34] <ogra> dpb, just install the rootstock package
[20:35] <ogra> dpb, it pulls in everything it needs
[20:42] <dpb> ah, there's a package for that too! :)
[20:52] <ogra> indeed ;)
[21:54] <dpb> ogra: why does rootstock use apt-get instead of aptitude in the second stage package install?
[21:55] <ogra> who uses aptitude ?
[21:55]  * ogra knows nobody that uses aptitude and is actually no fan of it
[21:56] <ogra> in lucid i'll switch everything to tasksel btw
[21:56] <ogra> and knit a gui to sit on top
[21:56] <dpb> aptitude seems to have better detection on what to install, for example "xorg xserver-xorg-video-fbdev" <- apt-get doesn't care, it'll install ALL the non-used video drivers. aptitude is more sane and sees that video-fbdev provides all that's needed
[21:57] <ogra> still i wont default to aptitude ....
[21:58] <ogra> i'll happily take any patches that add an option to use aptitude for people actually wanting that
[21:58] <ogra> i dont really like software that tries to be smarter than the user
[21:59] <ogra> though apt-get or aptitude wont be a topic anymore once tasksel is the default ...
[21:59] <dpb> yeah, aptitude sees what I want, apt-get doesn't. it's more stupid than the user.
[21:59] <dpb> I don't even know what tasksel is... <.<
[22:00] <ogra> sudo tsaksel
[22:00] <ogra> *tasksel
[22:02] <dpb> and tasksel will run the graphical curses aptitude UI if I want to select my packages...
[22:03] <ogra> nope
[22:03] <dpb> So in future versions people are forced to use either a group of packages defined by ubuntu, or use the horrible curses aptitude UI?
[22:03] <ogra> it will just offer you the list of avilable ubuntu tasks to select from
[22:04] <ogra> it wont use curses
[22:04] <dpb> So people can't give it packages they want anymore?
[22:04] <ogra> it will get a gui
[22:04] <ogra> right, not for the basic setup, ou can easily modify it later
[22:05] <ogra> with qemu-arm-static you can just chroot into the rootfs and modify it as if you would run it on an arm
[22:05] <ogra> (you can do that already)
[22:05] <ogra> the thing is that i want it to be as close to debian-installer as possible
[22:06] <ogra> if i wouldnt have to jump through several hackish hoops to make that work i would even actually run d-i in a chroot