| BUGabundo | hitting the pillow. gdnuit everyone | 00:54 |
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| lfaraone | bdmurray: hey, could you comment on whether or not what's suggested in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2009-October/001237.html is a bad idea? Bugs in packages in a "proposed" PPA shouldn't be reported against Ubuntu, even if they are intended to eventually land there, right? | 02:03 |
| MTecknology | What should I do for bug 404933? | 02:19 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 404933 in apt "apt-get crash at reloading sources.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404933 | 02:19 |
| bdmurray | looks like a legitimate bug / crash to me | 02:29 |
| bdmurray | lfaraone: generally speaking that is correct | 02:34 |
| lfaraone | bdmurray: okay, is this an exception? Right now the sugar packages in Karmic don't work at all, and this effort is the best we'll get to having working LTS packages. | 02:36 |
| bdmurray | lfaraone: is the person creating the ppa packages subscribed to the ubuntu packages? if so that seems fine - but again this is generally not okay | 02:37 |
| lfaraone | bdmurray: understood. | 02:48 |
| MTecknology | bdmurray: what should I do for it? | 02:53 |
| bdmurray | MTecknology: I'm trying to recreate it at the moment | 02:53 |
| bdmurray | You could check and see if all the dependencies of apt are ubuntu packages though | 02:54 |
| bdmurray | MTecknology: there incompleted for you. If it stil does happen I'd leave the bug open but get the priority set to low | 03:00 |
| bdmurray | eh, I set the priority now | 03:00 |
| MTecknology | bdmurray: ok, thanks | 03:02 |
| MTecknology | bdmurray: I'd like to get my bug list down to 0 :P | 03:03 |
| MTecknology | of course there's a couple that will never be closed.. | 03:03 |
| MTecknology | like "fix all security issues" | 03:03 |
| MTecknology | Who can I assign this to? 423930 | 04:06 |
| akio | I found my bug! | 04:35 |
| akio | I just marked mine as a duplicate | 04:35 |
| akio | Bug #415023 | 04:36 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 415023 in gnome-power-manager "brightness is broken on MSI WIND U100" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415023 | 04:36 |
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| ikt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/437595 <- tags: removed: need-amd64-retrace <- any guides/wiki on how I would do this? | 13:28 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 437595 in seamonkey "regchrome crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] | 13:28 |
| james_w | ikt: hi, do what? | 13:32 |
| ikt | retrace | 13:34 |
| ikt | oh it's done it | 13:34 |
| james_w | ikt: yeah, it was done, but the process failed for some reason | 13:38 |
| james_w | so the information isn't very helpful | 13:38 |
| ikt | does it still need it? | 13:38 |
| james_w | is the bug reproducible? | 13:38 |
| ikt | good question, I'll check that now | 13:38 |
| ikt | yep | 13:46 |
| ikt | james_w: yes :) | 13:46 |
| ikt | I've got apport pop up in front of me | 13:46 |
| james_w | cool | 13:47 |
| james_w | are you up to date with all the latest packages? | 13:47 |
| ikt | as far as I can see | 13:47 |
| ikt | I get my updates from a local mirror, will change over to the main mirror and see | 13:48 |
| ikt | oh damnit | 13:51 |
| ikt | my local isp isn't updating there mirror quick enough -_- | 13:51 |
| ikt | james_w: hrmm installing latest updates seems to fix it | 14:39 |
| james_w | ikt: that's good | 15:03 |
| joaopinto | there is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic | 15:04 |
| ikt | <joaopinto> there is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic <- pulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- plenty of these in my log files :/ | 15:17 |
| virtuald | i've got gigs of pulse fail in my logs. it doesn't get along with my alc883. | 15:48 |
| joaopinto | well, I have attempts to communitcate with a bluetooth audio device (which I don't have), and most sdl games just use 100% cpu | 15:54 |
| joaopinto | ALC888 here | 15:55 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: there's always something broken with sound. | 16:09 |
| ikt | y? | 16:10 |
| dtchen | what's frustrating is that what's broken tends to differ for each combination of hardware. | 16:10 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, right, except that on my case are regressions, and I see more people reporting the same problems | 16:10 |
| joaopinto | and I am not sure how my plain desktop hw is related to an attempt to connect to a bt device :) | 16:11 |
| dtchen | there isn't one global configuration that you can tweak and make everything better. | 16:11 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: is the BT module for PA loaded? | 16:12 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, how do I check that ? | 16:12 |
| joaopinto | janito@janito-desktop:~$ espeak test | 16:12 |
| joaopinto | bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) | 16:12 |
| dtchen | pactl list|grep 'Name: module-bluetooth' | 16:12 |
| joaopinto | it's not | 16:12 |
| dtchen | is the bluetooth "service" running? | 16:13 |
| dtchen | service bluetooth stop | 16:13 |
| joaopinto | root 29 2 0 16:01 ? 00:00:00 [bluetooth] | 16:13 |
| joaopinto | yes, but I did disabled before | 16:13 |
| joaopinto | and re-enabled | 16:13 |
| dtchen | the SDL bit I'll be looking at today; don't know if bugabundo mentioned it to you | 16:14 |
| joaopinto | anyway I have no plans to use bluetooth on my desktop | 16:14 |
| dtchen | ikt: is rtkit still installed? | 16:14 |
| joaopinto | ok, those are my two problems, which have been reported by other people also, and both have multiple bug reports | 16:14 |
| dtchen | the SDL bit is SDL's fault | 16:14 |
| joaopinto | bt_audio_service_open and libsdl-alsa | 16:15 |
| dtchen | I have no idea about BT & PA; I don't have any hardware to test. | 16:15 |
| joaopinto | libsdl-pulseaudio works fine | 16:15 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, I don't have any BT hw | 16:15 |
| joaopinto | this is a regular desktop | 16:15 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: if it really bothers you, try working around it by unloading the kmods | 16:15 |
| dtchen | blacklist them if necessary in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf | 16:15 |
| dtchen | virtuald: unfortunately it's quite complex; different revisions of codecs can be initialized wrong by BIOSes | 16:17 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, it bothers me as, I would like to understand why is the sound initializaion trying to connect to a type of device which is not available, also because there are multiple bugs for this problem, and they are likely to increase :) | 16:17 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: yes, I empathize | 16:17 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: unfortunately I have no time to tackle every bug; at this point in Karmic, I'm tackling the egregious ones. | 16:17 |
| joaopinto | socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 3 | 16:18 |
| joaopinto | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/org/bluez/audio"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) | 16:18 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, this is a regression | 16:18 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: are you getting spammed in syslog or something? | 16:18 |
| ikt | <dtchen> ikt: is rtkit still installed? <- neg | 16:18 |
| joaopinto | no, I am checking an strace | 16:19 |
| ikt | it's ok, it's not a big issue, I think I reported it in a bug a while ago, will check | 16:19 |
| joaopinto | the bt_* errors are common stdout messages on application startup | 16:19 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: well, that strace needs a bit more context. Do you have the latest dbus updates installed and have rebooted? | 16:19 |
| joaopinto | on the strace I see an /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf before the error | 16:19 |
| dtchen | ikt: do you always receive the spam, or does it only appear after a certain operation, like after resuming from suspend-to-*? | 16:20 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, yup, latest updates installed | 16:20 |
| ikt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/433865 | 16:20 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 433865 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio logs" [Undecided,New] | 16:20 |
| virtuald | dtchen: do you think i should flash my bios? | 16:20 |
| virtuald | dtchen: i have an asus p5k and there is a newer bios image | 16:21 |
| ikt | actually I don't have that issue anymore | 16:21 |
| dtchen | virtuald: I would read the release notes first. | 16:21 |
| virtuald | ok | 16:21 |
| dtchen | ikt: err, which syslog spam issue are you experienciing _now_? | 16:21 |
| ikt | pulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- what is the error message saying? I've got too many sound events happening at once? | 16:22 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, strace $(which espeak) | 16:22 |
| virtuald | ikt: should be more info above | 16:22 |
| ikt | dtchen: in regards to the launchpad bug I linked, was that fixed when rtkit was uninstalled? | 16:22 |
| ikt | none, just cron | 16:23 |
| dtchen | ikt: it's hard to tell without additional context? | 16:24 |
| ikt | ah np | 16:24 |
| dtchen | ikt: just so we're on the same page, can you make sure that you have our staging PA package installed from the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA? | 16:24 |
| ikt | sure | 16:24 |
| dtchen | ikt: the only functional changes are for the pm-utils bugs fixed and crappy BT patch being removed | 16:25 |
| ikt | installed | 16:27 |
| ikt | and updated, need restart? | 16:27 |
| dtchen | ikt: killall pulseaudio should suffice | 16:28 |
| ikt | sweet :) | 16:28 |
| dtchen | /var/log/user.log should have it, anyhow | 16:30 |
| joaopinto | ok, this one was easy, /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf is making alsa attempt to connect to a bt service when it's not available | 16:31 |
| Tracy_P | Fresh install of Ubuntu 9.01, log in screen, username, password, I start to see the desktop, bars at top at bottom some icons appear, then back to login the again. What package might be causing my problem? | 16:31 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: I suppose you could deinstall bluez-alsa | 16:32 |
| dtchen | we don't really have the functionality in alsa-lib yet to selectively disable virtual device probing at init | 16:32 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, the issue is, myself as many users are likely to disable bluetooth services on desktop systems, I don't need any blue* :) | 16:33 |
| joaopinto | but having a work around is sufficient for now, at least I am sure the other issues are not related to this error :P | 16:35 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, thanks for the hints, I am commeting some bugs which have incorrectly related broken sound issues to the BT error messages | 16:56 |
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| dtchen | joaopinto: thanks! | 16:59 |
| joaopinto | can someone else test: espeak test; espeak test; espeak test; espeak test | 17:02 |
| joaopinto | it randomly fails to play, it seems it fails during initialization or something similar | 17:03 |
| dtchen | yes, reproducible (for the reasons outlined in -+1) | 17:06 |
| joaopinto | -+1 P ? | 17:06 |
| ikt | bit weird | 17:07 |
| dtchen | (#ubuntu+1) | 17:07 |
| dtchen | err, wait. That's this channel, not +1. | 17:07 |
| ikt | bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) <- but the sound 'test' was played correctly | 17:07 |
| joaopinto | ikt, just purge bluez-alsa | 17:08 |
| joaopinto | that's not part of the problem :P | 17:08 |
| ikt | is np | 17:08 |
| joaopinto | time to scroll on +1 | 17:09 |
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| joaopinto | dtchen, could you summarize on a single line please ? there's a long text to read :P | 17:10 |
| joaopinto | it's known, and it's being fixed ? | 17:10 |
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| dtchen | joaopinto: it's known, and it's being investigated for 10.04 | 17:11 |
| joaopinto | is it espeak sppecific or library/backend related ? | 17:12 |
| dtchen | at the very least the latter | 17:13 |
| dtchen | could include the former, but that's part of the to-be-investigated | 17:14 |
| joaopinto | ok, adding to the bug report | 17:14 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, bug 425964, are we likely to move to libsdl PA as default ? | 17:17 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 425964 in libsdl1.2 "SDL - Prefer Pulseaudio over ALSA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425964 | 17:17 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: don't know. We have to mind Kubuntu and Xubuntu, who don't use PA. | 17:19 |
| joaopinto | oh :\ | 17:19 |
| dtchen | yeah, it complicates things | 17:20 |
| dtchen | other distros (e.g., Fedora, Mandriva) only have one audio config to worry about | 17:20 |
| dtchen | we have two | 17:20 |
| maco | what package do bugs in keyboard layouts go against | 17:22 |
| maco | ?? | 17:22 |
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| joaopinto | dtchen, this SDL issue is quite old, reported since May, is it likely to get fixed this weekend ? | 17:23 |
| dtchen | joaopinto: no | 17:25 |
| joaopinto | ouch :\ | 17:25 |
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| dtchen | joaopinto: we're five days from final release; it's not a kitten-killer bug | 17:27 |
| dtchen | that said, I'll have packages in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA | 17:27 |
| joaopinto | dtchen, having 50% of the games using 100% of the cpu by default, on random systems, is not a kitten-killer bug :) ? | 17:28 |
| dtchen | IMO, no | 17:29 |
| dtchen | "deletes files on boot" would be | 17:29 |
| joaopinto | what is what I call very low standards for bugs :) | 17:30 |
| joaopinto | I am considering to file a mega bug for the sdl issue, there are too many bugs filled for different packages for a backend problem | 17:37 |
| dtchen | "mega bug"? | 17:39 |
| joaopinto | to set all those bugs as duplicate | 17:39 |
| dtchen | I'd argue that it's best to triage them into categories, but it's not a big deal. I can enumerate all the bugs in the changelog. | 17:39 |
| joaopinto | most of them mention, game uses 100% cpu,blocks on exit, libsdl-pulseaudio fixes | 17:40 |
| lfaraone | james_w: re bug 371019 , is there a reason the "remember my authorization" checkbox has disappeared in Karmic? | 18:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 371019 in policykit-kde "software updates password remember order wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371019 | 18:38 |
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| matti | ;] | 19:57 |
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| mirda | hi everyone | 21:12 |
| mirda | I'm using 9.10 Karmic, and keep having trouble in regards to disabling the emulate3buttons feature of xorg. I wrote a .fdi file and placed it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy | 21:13 |
| mirda | anyone know what might be my problem? | 21:13 |
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