BUGabundohitting the pillow. gdnuit everyone00:54
lfaraonebdmurray: hey, could you comment on whether or not what's suggested in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2009-October/001237.html is a bad idea? Bugs in packages in a "proposed" PPA shouldn't be reported against Ubuntu, even if they are intended to eventually land there, right?02:03
MTecknologyWhat should I do for bug 404933?02:19
ubot4Launchpad bug 404933 in apt "apt-get crash at reloading sources.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40493302:19
bdmurraylooks like a legitimate bug / crash to me02:29
bdmurraylfaraone: generally speaking that is correct02:34
lfaraonebdmurray: okay, is this an exception? Right now the sugar packages in Karmic don't work at all, and this effort is the best we'll get to having working LTS packages.02:36
bdmurraylfaraone: is the person creating the ppa packages subscribed to the ubuntu packages?  if so that seems fine - but again this is generally not okay02:37
lfaraonebdmurray: understood.02:48
MTecknologybdmurray: what should I do for it?02:53
bdmurrayMTecknology: I'm trying to recreate it at the moment02:53
bdmurrayYou could check and see if all the dependencies of apt are ubuntu packages though02:54
bdmurrayMTecknology: there incompleted for you.  If it stil does happen I'd leave the bug open but get the priority set to low03:00
bdmurrayeh, I set the priority now03:00
MTecknologybdmurray: ok, thanks03:02
MTecknologybdmurray: I'd like to get my bug list down to 0 :P03:03
MTecknologyof course there's a couple that will never be closed..03:03
MTecknologylike "fix all security issues"03:03
MTecknologyWho can I assign this to? 42393004:06
akioI found my bug!04:35
akioI just marked mine as a duplicate04:35
akioBug #41502304:36
ubot4Launchpad bug 415023 in gnome-power-manager "brightness is broken on MSI WIND U100" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41502304:36
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ikthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/437595 <- tags: removed: need-amd64-retrace <- any guides/wiki on how I would do this?13:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 437595 in seamonkey "regchrome crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]13:28
james_wikt: hi, do what?13:32
iktoh it's done it13:34
james_wikt: yeah, it was done, but the process failed for some reason13:38
james_wso the information isn't very helpful13:38
iktdoes it still need it?13:38
james_wis the bug reproducible?13:38
iktgood question, I'll check that now13:38
iktjames_w: yes :)13:46
iktI've got apport pop up in front of me13:46
james_ware you up to date with all the latest packages?13:47
iktas far as I can see13:47
iktI get my updates from a local mirror, will change over to the main mirror and see13:48
iktoh damnit13:51
iktmy local isp isn't updating there mirror quick enough -_-13:51
iktjames_w: hrmm installing latest updates seems to fix it14:39
james_wikt: that's good15:03
joaopintothere is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic15:04
ikt<joaopinto> there is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic <- pulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- plenty of these in my log files :/15:17
virtualdi've got gigs of pulse fail in my logs. it doesn't get along with my alc883.15:48
joaopintowell, I have attempts to communitcate with a bluetooth audio device (which I don't have), and most sdl games just use 100% cpu15:54
joaopintoALC888 here15:55
dtchenjoaopinto: there's always something broken with sound.16:09
dtchenwhat's frustrating is that what's broken tends to differ for each combination of hardware.16:10
joaopintodtchen, right, except that on my case are regressions, and I see more people reporting the same problems16:10
joaopintoand I am not sure how my plain desktop hw is related to an attempt to connect to a bt device :)16:11
dtchenthere isn't one global configuration that you can tweak and make everything better.16:11
dtchenjoaopinto: is the BT module for PA loaded?16:12
joaopintodtchen, how do I check that ?16:12
joaopintojanito@janito-desktop:~$ espeak test16:12
joaopintobt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)16:12
dtchenpactl list|grep 'Name: module-bluetooth'16:12
joaopintoit's not16:12
dtchenis the bluetooth "service" running?16:13
dtchenservice bluetooth stop16:13
joaopintoroot        29     2  0 16:01 ?        00:00:00 [bluetooth]16:13
joaopintoyes, but I did disabled before16:13
joaopintoand re-enabled16:13
dtchenthe SDL bit I'll be looking at today; don't know if bugabundo mentioned it to you16:14
joaopintoanyway I have no plans to use bluetooth on my desktop16:14
dtchenikt: is rtkit still installed?16:14
joaopintook, those are my two problems, which have been reported by other people also, and both have multiple  bug reports16:14
dtchenthe SDL bit is SDL's fault16:14
joaopintobt_audio_service_open and libsdl-alsa16:15
dtchenI have no idea about BT & PA; I don't have any hardware to test.16:15
joaopintolibsdl-pulseaudio works fine16:15
joaopintodtchen, I don't have any BT hw16:15
joaopintothis is a regular desktop16:15
dtchenjoaopinto: if it really bothers you, try working around it by unloading the kmods16:15
dtchenblacklist them if necessary in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf16:15
dtchenvirtuald: unfortunately it's quite complex; different revisions of codecs can be initialized wrong by BIOSes16:17
joaopintodtchen, it bothers me as, I would like to understand why is the sound initializaion trying to connect to a type of device which is not available, also because there are multiple bugs for this problem, and they are likely to increase :)16:17
dtchenjoaopinto: yes, I empathize16:17
dtchenjoaopinto: unfortunately I have no time to tackle every bug; at this point in Karmic, I'm tackling the egregious ones.16:17
joaopintosocket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0)         = 316:18
joaopintoconnect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/org/bluez/audio"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)16:18
joaopintodtchen, this is a regression16:18
dtchenjoaopinto: are you getting spammed in syslog or something?16:18
ikt<dtchen> ikt: is rtkit still installed? <- neg16:18
joaopintono, I am checking an strace16:19
iktit's ok, it's not a big issue, I think I reported it in a bug a while ago, will check16:19
joaopintothe bt_* errors are common stdout messages on application startup16:19
dtchenjoaopinto: well, that strace needs a bit more context. Do you have the latest dbus updates installed and have rebooted?16:19
joaopintoon the strace I see an /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf before the error16:19
dtchenikt: do you always receive the spam, or does it only appear after a certain operation, like after resuming from suspend-to-*?16:20
joaopintodtchen, yup, latest updates installed16:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 433865 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio logs" [Undecided,New]16:20
virtualddtchen: do you think i should flash my bios?16:20
virtualddtchen: i have an asus p5k and there is a newer bios image16:21
iktactually I don't have that issue anymore16:21
dtchenvirtuald: I would read the release notes first.16:21
dtchenikt: err, which syslog spam issue are you experienciing _now_?16:21
iktpulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- what is the error message saying? I've got too many sound events happening at once?16:22
joaopintodtchen, strace $(which espeak)16:22
virtualdikt: should be more info above16:22
iktdtchen: in regards to the launchpad bug I linked, was that fixed when rtkit was uninstalled?16:22
iktnone, just cron16:23
dtchenikt: it's hard to tell without additional context?16:24
iktah np16:24
dtchenikt: just so we're on the same page, can you make sure that you have our staging PA package installed from the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA?16:24
dtchenikt: the only functional changes are for the pm-utils bugs fixed and crappy BT patch being removed16:25
iktand updated, need restart?16:27
dtchenikt: killall pulseaudio  should suffice16:28
iktsweet :)16:28
dtchen/var/log/user.log should have it, anyhow16:30
joaopintook, this one was easy, /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf is making alsa attempt to connect to a bt service when it's not available16:31
Tracy_PFresh install of Ubuntu 9.01, log in screen, username, password, I start to see the desktop, bars at top at bottom some icons appear, then back to login the again. What package might be causing my problem?16:31
dtchenjoaopinto: I suppose you could deinstall bluez-alsa16:32
dtchenwe don't really have the functionality in alsa-lib yet to selectively disable virtual device probing at init16:32
joaopintodtchen, the issue is, myself as many users are likely to disable bluetooth services on desktop systems, I don't need any blue* :)16:33
joaopintobut having a work around is sufficient for now, at least I am sure the other issues are not related to this error :P16:35
joaopintodtchen, thanks for the hints, I am commeting some bugs which have incorrectly related broken sound issues to the BT error messages16:56
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dtchenjoaopinto: thanks!16:59
joaopintocan someone else test: espeak test; espeak test; espeak test; espeak test17:02
joaopintoit randomly fails to play, it seems it fails during initialization or something similar17:03
dtchenyes, reproducible (for the reasons outlined in -+1)17:06
joaopinto-+1 P ?17:06
iktbit weird17:07
dtchenerr, wait. That's this channel, not +1.17:07
iktbt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) <- but the sound 'test' was played correctly17:07
joaopintoikt, just purge bluez-alsa17:08
joaopintothat's not part of the problem :P17:08
iktis np17:08
joaopintotime to scroll on +117:09
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joaopintodtchen, could you summarize on a single line please ? there's a long text to read :P17:10
joaopintoit's known, and it's being fixed ?17:10
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dtchenjoaopinto: it's known, and it's being investigated for 10.0417:11
joaopintois it espeak sppecific or library/backend related ?17:12
dtchenat the very least the latter17:13
dtchencould include the former, but that's part of the to-be-investigated17:14
joaopintook, adding to the bug report17:14
joaopintodtchen, bug 425964, are we likely to move to libsdl PA as default ?17:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 425964 in libsdl1.2 "SDL - Prefer Pulseaudio over ALSA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42596417:17
dtchenjoaopinto: don't know. We have to mind Kubuntu and Xubuntu, who don't use PA.17:19
joaopintooh :\17:19
dtchenyeah, it complicates things17:20
dtchenother distros (e.g., Fedora, Mandriva) only have one audio config to worry about17:20
dtchenwe have two17:20
macowhat package do bugs in keyboard layouts go against17:22
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joaopintodtchen, this SDL issue is quite old, reported since May, is it likely to get fixed this weekend ?17:23
dtchenjoaopinto: no17:25
joaopintoouch :\17:25
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dtchenjoaopinto: we're five days from final release; it's not a kitten-killer bug17:27
dtchenthat said, I'll have packages in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA17:27
joaopintodtchen, having 50% of the games using 100% of the cpu by default, on random systems, is not a kitten-killer bug :) ?17:28
dtchenIMO, no17:29
dtchen"deletes files on boot" would be17:29
joaopintowhat is what I call very low standards for bugs :)17:30
joaopintoI am considering to file a mega bug for the sdl issue, there are too many bugs filled for different packages for a backend problem17:37
dtchen"mega bug"?17:39
joaopintoto set all those bugs as duplicate17:39
dtchenI'd argue that it's best to triage them into categories, but it's not a big deal. I can enumerate all the bugs in the changelog.17:39
joaopintomost of them mention, game uses 100% cpu,blocks on exit, libsdl-pulseaudio fixes17:40
lfaraonejames_w: re bug 371019 , is there a reason the "remember my authorization" checkbox has disappeared in Karmic?18:38
ubot4Launchpad bug 371019 in policykit-kde "software updates password remember order wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37101918:38
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mirdahi everyone21:12
mirdaI'm using 9.10 Karmic, and keep having trouble in regards to disabling the emulate3buttons feature of xorg. I wrote a .fdi file and placed it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy21:13
mirdaanyone know what might be my problem?21:13
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