[00:54] <BUGabundo> hitting the pillow. gdnuit everyone
[02:03] <lfaraone> bdmurray: hey, could you comment on whether or not what's suggested in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2009-October/001237.html is a bad idea? Bugs in packages in a "proposed" PPA shouldn't be reported against Ubuntu, even if they are intended to eventually land there, right?
[02:19] <MTecknology> What should I do for bug 404933?
[02:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 404933 in apt "apt-get crash at reloading sources.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404933
[02:29] <bdmurray> looks like a legitimate bug / crash to me
[02:34] <bdmurray> lfaraone: generally speaking that is correct
[02:36] <lfaraone> bdmurray: okay, is this an exception? Right now the sugar packages in Karmic don't work at all, and this effort is the best we'll get to having working LTS packages.
[02:37] <bdmurray> lfaraone: is the person creating the ppa packages subscribed to the ubuntu packages?  if so that seems fine - but again this is generally not okay
[02:48] <lfaraone> bdmurray: understood.
[02:53] <MTecknology> bdmurray: what should I do for it?
[02:53] <bdmurray> MTecknology: I'm trying to recreate it at the moment
[02:54] <bdmurray> You could check and see if all the dependencies of apt are ubuntu packages though
[03:00] <bdmurray> MTecknology: there incompleted for you.  If it stil does happen I'd leave the bug open but get the priority set to low
[03:00] <bdmurray> eh, I set the priority now
[03:02] <MTecknology> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[03:03] <MTecknology> bdmurray: I'd like to get my bug list down to 0 :P
[03:03] <MTecknology> of course there's a couple that will never be closed..
[03:03] <MTecknology> like "fix all security issues"
[04:06] <MTecknology> Who can I assign this to? 423930
[04:35] <akio> I found my bug!
[04:35] <akio> I just marked mine as a duplicate
[04:36] <akio> Bug #415023
[04:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 415023 in gnome-power-manager "brightness is broken on MSI WIND U100" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415023
[13:28] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/437595 <- tags:	 removed: need-amd64-retrace <- any guides/wiki on how I would do this?
[13:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 437595 in seamonkey "regchrome crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]
[13:32] <james_w> ikt: hi, do what?
[13:34] <ikt> retrace
[13:34] <ikt> oh it's done it
[13:38] <james_w> ikt: yeah, it was done, but the process failed for some reason
[13:38] <james_w> so the information isn't very helpful
[13:38] <ikt> does it still need it?
[13:38] <james_w> is the bug reproducible?
[13:38] <ikt> good question, I'll check that now
[13:46] <ikt> yep
[13:46] <ikt> james_w: yes :)
[13:46] <ikt> I've got apport pop up in front of me
[13:47] <james_w> cool
[13:47] <james_w> are you up to date with all the latest packages?
[13:47] <ikt> as far as I can see
[13:48] <ikt> I get my updates from a local mirror, will change over to the main mirror and see
[13:51] <ikt> oh damnit
[13:51] <ikt> my local isp isn't updating there mirror quick enough -_-
[14:39] <ikt> james_w: hrmm installing latest updates seems to fix it
[15:03] <james_w> ikt: that's good
[15:04] <joaopinto> there is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic
 there is really something seriously broken with sound on karmic <- pulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- plenty of these in my log files :/
[15:48] <virtuald> i've got gigs of pulse fail in my logs. it doesn't get along with my alc883.
[15:54] <joaopinto> well, I have attempts to communitcate with a bluetooth audio device (which I don't have), and most sdl games just use 100% cpu
[15:55] <joaopinto> ALC888 here
[16:09] <dtchen> joaopinto: there's always something broken with sound.
[16:10] <ikt> y?
[16:10] <dtchen> what's frustrating is that what's broken tends to differ for each combination of hardware.
[16:10] <joaopinto> dtchen, right, except that on my case are regressions, and I see more people reporting the same problems
[16:11] <joaopinto> and I am not sure how my plain desktop hw is related to an attempt to connect to a bt device :)
[16:11] <dtchen> there isn't one global configuration that you can tweak and make everything better.
[16:12] <dtchen> joaopinto: is the BT module for PA loaded?
[16:12] <joaopinto> dtchen, how do I check that ?
[16:12] <joaopinto> janito@janito-desktop:~$ espeak test
[16:12] <joaopinto> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[16:12] <dtchen> pactl list|grep 'Name: module-bluetooth'
[16:12] <joaopinto> it's not
[16:13] <dtchen> is the bluetooth "service" running?
[16:13] <dtchen> service bluetooth stop
[16:13] <joaopinto> root        29     2  0 16:01 ?        00:00:00 [bluetooth]
[16:13] <joaopinto> yes, but I did disabled before
[16:13] <joaopinto> and re-enabled
[16:14] <dtchen> the SDL bit I'll be looking at today; don't know if bugabundo mentioned it to you
[16:14] <joaopinto> anyway I have no plans to use bluetooth on my desktop
[16:14] <dtchen> ikt: is rtkit still installed?
[16:14] <joaopinto> ok, those are my two problems, which have been reported by other people also, and both have multiple  bug reports
[16:14] <dtchen> the SDL bit is SDL's fault
[16:15] <joaopinto> bt_audio_service_open and libsdl-alsa
[16:15] <dtchen> I have no idea about BT & PA; I don't have any hardware to test.
[16:15] <joaopinto> libsdl-pulseaudio works fine
[16:15] <joaopinto> dtchen, I don't have any BT hw
[16:15] <joaopinto> this is a regular desktop
[16:15] <dtchen> joaopinto: if it really bothers you, try working around it by unloading the kmods
[16:15] <dtchen> blacklist them if necessary in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf
[16:17] <dtchen> virtuald: unfortunately it's quite complex; different revisions of codecs can be initialized wrong by BIOSes
[16:17] <joaopinto> dtchen, it bothers me as, I would like to understand why is the sound initializaion trying to connect to a type of device which is not available, also because there are multiple bugs for this problem, and they are likely to increase :)
[16:17] <dtchen> joaopinto: yes, I empathize
[16:17] <dtchen> joaopinto: unfortunately I have no time to tackle every bug; at this point in Karmic, I'm tackling the egregious ones.
[16:18] <joaopinto> socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0)         = 3
[16:18] <joaopinto> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/org/bluez/audio"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
[16:18] <joaopinto> dtchen, this is a regression
[16:18] <dtchen> joaopinto: are you getting spammed in syslog or something?
 ikt: is rtkit still installed? <- neg
[16:19] <joaopinto> no, I am checking an strace
[16:19] <ikt> it's ok, it's not a big issue, I think I reported it in a bug a while ago, will check
[16:19] <joaopinto> the bt_* errors are common stdout messages on application startup
[16:19] <dtchen> joaopinto: well, that strace needs a bit more context. Do you have the latest dbus updates installed and have rebooted?
[16:19] <joaopinto> on the strace I see an /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf before the error
[16:20] <dtchen> ikt: do you always receive the spam, or does it only appear after a certain operation, like after resuming from suspend-to-*?
[16:20] <joaopinto> dtchen, yup, latest updates installed
[16:20] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/433865
[16:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 433865 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio logs" [Undecided,New]
[16:20] <virtuald> dtchen: do you think i should flash my bios?
[16:21] <virtuald> dtchen: i have an asus p5k and there is a newer bios image
[16:21] <ikt> actually I don't have that issue anymore
[16:21] <dtchen> virtuald: I would read the release notes first.
[16:21] <virtuald> ok
[16:21] <dtchen> ikt: err, which syslog spam issue are you experienciing _now_?
[16:22] <ikt> pulseaudio[1960]: ratelimit.c: 32 events suppressed <- what is the error message saying? I've got too many sound events happening at once?
[16:22] <joaopinto> dtchen, strace $(which espeak)
[16:22] <virtuald> ikt: should be more info above
[16:22] <ikt> dtchen: in regards to the launchpad bug I linked, was that fixed when rtkit was uninstalled?
[16:23] <ikt> none, just cron
[16:24] <dtchen> ikt: it's hard to tell without additional context?
[16:24] <ikt> ah np
[16:24] <dtchen> ikt: just so we're on the same page, can you make sure that you have our staging PA package installed from the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA?
[16:24] <ikt> sure
[16:25] <dtchen> ikt: the only functional changes are for the pm-utils bugs fixed and crappy BT patch being removed
[16:27] <ikt> installed
[16:27] <ikt> and updated, need restart?
[16:28] <dtchen> ikt: killall pulseaudio  should suffice
[16:28] <ikt> sweet :)
[16:30] <dtchen> /var/log/user.log should have it, anyhow
[16:31] <joaopinto> ok, this one was easy, /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf is making alsa attempt to connect to a bt service when it's not available
[16:31] <Tracy_P> Fresh install of Ubuntu 9.01, log in screen, username, password, I start to see the desktop, bars at top at bottom some icons appear, then back to login the again. What package might be causing my problem?
[16:32] <dtchen> joaopinto: I suppose you could deinstall bluez-alsa
[16:32] <dtchen> we don't really have the functionality in alsa-lib yet to selectively disable virtual device probing at init
[16:33] <joaopinto> dtchen, the issue is, myself as many users are likely to disable bluetooth services on desktop systems, I don't need any blue* :)
[16:35] <joaopinto> but having a work around is sufficient for now, at least I am sure the other issues are not related to this error :P
[16:56] <joaopinto> dtchen, thanks for the hints, I am commeting some bugs which have incorrectly related broken sound issues to the BT error messages
[16:59] <dtchen> joaopinto: thanks!
[17:02] <joaopinto> can someone else test: espeak test; espeak test; espeak test; espeak test
[17:03] <joaopinto> it randomly fails to play, it seems it fails during initialization or something similar
[17:06] <dtchen> yes, reproducible (for the reasons outlined in -+1)
[17:06] <joaopinto> -+1 P ?
[17:07] <ikt> bit weird
[17:07] <dtchen> (#ubuntu+1)
[17:07] <dtchen> err, wait. That's this channel, not +1.
[17:07] <ikt> bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) <- but the sound 'test' was played correctly
[17:08] <joaopinto> ikt, just purge bluez-alsa
[17:08] <joaopinto> that's not part of the problem :P
[17:08] <ikt> is np
[17:09] <joaopinto> time to scroll on +1
[17:10] <joaopinto> dtchen, could you summarize on a single line please ? there's a long text to read :P
[17:10] <joaopinto> it's known, and it's being fixed ?
[17:11] <dtchen> joaopinto: it's known, and it's being investigated for 10.04
[17:12] <joaopinto> is it espeak sppecific or library/backend related ?
[17:13] <dtchen> at the very least the latter
[17:14] <dtchen> could include the former, but that's part of the to-be-investigated
[17:14] <joaopinto> ok, adding to the bug report
[17:17] <joaopinto> dtchen, bug 425964, are we likely to move to libsdl PA as default ?
[17:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425964 in libsdl1.2 "SDL - Prefer Pulseaudio over ALSA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425964
[17:19] <dtchen> joaopinto: don't know. We have to mind Kubuntu and Xubuntu, who don't use PA.
[17:19] <joaopinto> oh :\
[17:20] <dtchen> yeah, it complicates things
[17:20] <dtchen> other distros (e.g., Fedora, Mandriva) only have one audio config to worry about
[17:20] <dtchen> we have two
[17:22] <maco> what package do bugs in keyboard layouts go against
[17:22] <maco> ??
[17:23] <joaopinto> dtchen, this SDL issue is quite old, reported since May, is it likely to get fixed this weekend ?
[17:25] <dtchen> joaopinto: no
[17:25] <joaopinto> ouch :\
[17:27] <dtchen> joaopinto: we're five days from final release; it's not a kitten-killer bug
[17:27] <dtchen> that said, I'll have packages in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[17:28] <joaopinto> dtchen, having 50% of the games using 100% of the cpu by default, on random systems, is not a kitten-killer bug :) ?
[17:29] <dtchen> IMO, no
[17:29] <dtchen> "deletes files on boot" would be
[17:30] <joaopinto> what is what I call very low standards for bugs :)
[17:37] <joaopinto> I am considering to file a mega bug for the sdl issue, there are too many bugs filled for different packages for a backend problem
[17:39] <dtchen> "mega bug"?
[17:39] <joaopinto> to set all those bugs as duplicate
[17:39] <dtchen> I'd argue that it's best to triage them into categories, but it's not a big deal. I can enumerate all the bugs in the changelog.
[17:40] <joaopinto> most of them mention, game uses 100% cpu,blocks on exit, libsdl-pulseaudio fixes
[18:38] <lfaraone> james_w: re bug 371019 , is there a reason the "remember my authorization" checkbox has disappeared in Karmic?
[18:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 371019 in policykit-kde "software updates password remember order wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371019
[19:57] <matti> ;]
[21:12] <mirda> hi everyone
[21:13] <mirda> I'm using 9.10 Karmic, and keep having trouble in regards to disabling the emulate3buttons feature of xorg. I wrote a .fdi file and placed it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[21:13] <mirda> anyone know what might be my problem?