[00:42] <cprofitt> pleia2, bodhi_zazen swoody Saj0577 you guys here?
[00:43] <swoody> cprofitt, nope ;)
[00:44] <cprofitt> swoody -- can you offer an opinion?
[00:44] <Saj0577> sure am.
[00:44] <cprofitt> you to Saj0577
[00:44] <Saj0577> yep sure can
[00:44] <swoody> cprofitt, yes, buy organic produce...
[00:44] <pleia2> cprofitt: hey
[00:44] <cprofitt> when should a course for the UCLP be considered 'done'?
[00:44] <pleia2> swoody: no way, buy local :)
[00:44] <cprofitt> hey pleia2
[00:44] <swoody> pleia2, local *and* orgamic :)
[00:45] <Saj0577> cprofitt: when all the content is done, and its been tested, and everyones had a look over it for possible improvements etc.
[00:45] <pleia2> content done, tech and peer reviewed
[00:45] <cprofitt> Saj0577, by content do we mean asciidoc, Moodle, pdf conversion?
[00:46] <pleia2> I think "done" is a poor term though, ubuntu changes
[00:46] <swoody> +1 pleia2 and Saj0577
[00:46] <cprofitt> I agree pleia2
[00:46] <pleia2> asciidoc
[00:46] <cprofitt> I was just reviewing the pages... and it prompted me to ask
[00:46] <cprofitt> as things are marked 'done'
[00:46]  * pleia2 nods
[00:46] <pleia2> those are ones doctormo has taught in classrooms
[00:46] <cprofitt> so if a person creates a Moodle course w/o asciidoc it would not be marked 'done' until it was converted?
[00:47] <pleia2> we can probably convert "done" to links to moodle content, acsciidoc, etc
[00:47] <cprofitt> pleia2, but are those in asciidoc?
[00:47] <swoody> cprofitt, well I think 'done' and 'completed' can be two different things...
[00:47] <pleia2> so instead of done you say "link to moodle" "link to pdf" etc
[00:47] <cprofitt> swoody, that is what I was thinking...
[00:47] <cprofitt> I tend to ask 'open ended' questions
[00:47] <cprofitt> to not poison responses...
[00:48] <swoody> 'done' for when the info itself has been reviewed, and the course looks solid, and then 'completed' when it's been converted into whatever formats it needs to be
[00:48] <Saj0577> when it is a stage where it could be used my students
[00:48] <cprofitt> I was thinking we should likely use a table -- have columns for in-person, Moodle, source (asciidoc) and complete
[00:48] <pleia2> +1
[00:48] <swoody> cprofitt, that would help keep things organized :)
[00:49] <cprofitt> yeah... that is what I am thinking...
[00:49] <Saj0577> yeah +1
[00:49] <cprofitt> otherwise we will not know what 'parts' are done...
[00:49] <swoody> true
[00:49] <cprofitt> perhaps add a column for peer review too...
[00:49] <cprofitt> pleia2, mentioned that ... and that is important
[00:49] <cprofitt> some courses may end up being 'NA' for certain formats...
[00:50] <cprofitt> as some courses will not work well in Moodle
[00:50] <swoody> yes, but that shouldn't pose any issues keeping track of it's progress
[00:50] <cprofitt> I agree...
[00:50] <swoody> again, just with 'N/A' where reqired
[00:50] <cprofitt> but if a course does not fit a medium we NA and it can be complete without that particular medium
[00:51] <swoody> indeed :)
[00:51] <cprofitt> sound good pleia2 ?
[00:51] <pleia2> yep
[00:52] <swoody> so would this be on a completely separate wiki page for 'course progress'?
[00:52] <cprofitt> I think so...
[00:52] <swoody> then having the chart organized by each 'category' (i.e. use, maint.) and then have all the courses listed under them
[00:52] <cprofitt> I think we have a page for course ideas... and a sub-page for each course...
[00:53] <cprofitt> with one page with a table of all current courses in production and development
[00:53] <swoody> cprofitt, that would work well. So you can leave notes/ideas/questions about that specific course on its own sub-page, and keep the chart nice and minimal
[00:54]  * cprofitt nods
[00:55] <cprofitt> cool...
[00:55] <cprofitt> I was just thinking about it after I saw Swoody's edits
[00:55] <swoody> cprofitt, happen to look over the revised Desktop User wiki?
[00:55] <swoody> cprofitt, ah, so you did see the changes :)
[00:56] <cprofitt> I was reviewing them now...
[00:56] <swoody> any feedback? Did I miss anything, or leave anything out?
[00:56] <swoody> ah, sounds good :)
[00:56] <swoody> trying to use wiki. and help. more for references, but some Ubuntu pages are really lacking
[00:57] <swoody> OO.o, Evolution, Piding, and some others
[00:57] <swoody> Pidgin*
[01:07] <redsnyper> hello room!
[01:07] <redsnyper> i need help
[01:07] <pleia2> swoody: nooo, empathy! ;)
[01:08] <pleia2> redsnyper: we do ubuntu related course development here, regular ubuntu support is over in #ubuntu :)
[01:08] <swoody> pleia2, haha, I asked that the other day, but didn't get a response :)
[01:08] <swoody> redsnyper, or #ubuntu-beginners-help :)
[01:08] <redsnyper> my apologies
[01:08] <swoody> redsnyper, no problem :)
[01:09] <pleia2> swoody: people were muttering about the switched from pidgin a but at my lug last night
[01:09] <swoody> pleia2, but I'll change that. Minor detail ;)
[01:09] <pleia2> much "what's wrong with pidgin? :("
[01:09] <swoody> pleia2, yeah, I can understand that
[01:09] <swoody> not a big fan of it myself
[01:09] <swoody> and I still use Pidgin ;)
[01:09]  * pleia2 has used bitlbee for about 4 years
[01:10] <swoody> pleia2, out of curiosity, what do you go by on the forum? (can PM if you'd like)
[01:10] <pleia2> prior to that I didn't bother with IM, prior to that I dabbled with gaim, prior to that I was probably on windows
[01:10] <pleia2> elizabeth
[01:10] <swoody> ah, makes sense :)
[01:10] <swoody> and I think I've seen you around a bit...
[01:11] <pleia2> I am pretty much just on loco forums and ubuntu women
[01:11] <swoody> hmm... well it sounds familiar :/
[01:12] <cprofitt> I sent an email to the list to get more feedback
[01:15] <swoody> looks good :)
[01:17] <cprofitt> switching computers...
[01:22]  * cprofitt asks what the greatest Eagles song of all time is
[01:22] <Saj0577> no idea
[01:23] <cprofitt> Google agrees with me -- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Greatest+Eagles+song+of+all+time&btnG=Search
[01:28] <swoody> cprofitt, hotel california :D
[01:28] <cprofitt> YEP
[01:29] <swoody> cprofitt, oh and a big +1 to silly walks, but I think the Spanish Inquisition trumps it ;)
[01:29] <cprofitt> Yeah... that one is good too...
[01:29] <cprofitt> Lumberjack is awesome too
[01:29] <swoody> haha, yeah it is  :)
[01:29] <swoody> oh wait no!!
[01:30] <swoody> Best ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM
[01:51] <swoody> well, I'm off for the night, so take care all :)
[01:52] <ZachK_> later swoody's
[03:55] <cprofitt_dt1> anyone here?
[04:06] <paultag> yo cprofitt_dt1
[04:06] <cprofitt_dt1> http://i37.tinypic.com/2mh7cxu.jpg -- what do you think paultag ?
[04:06] <paultag> cprofitt_dt1, powerpoint bg?
[04:07] <cprofitt_dt1> presentation -- OO
[04:07] <paultag> cprofitt_dt1, looks nice, I'll be sure to save that :)
[04:07] <paultag> cprofitt_dt1, Right you are
[04:09] <cprofitt_dt1> cool... I will upload it to an Ubuntu promotional material site as well
[04:09] <cprofitt_dt1> spreadbuntu
[04:10] <paultag> cprofitt_dt1, awesome
[04:10] <paultag> BRB
[04:10] <cprofitt_dt1> k
[04:34] <paultag> Back
[04:34] <paultag> Oh, well shucks. He is gone anywho
[04:34] <pleia2> heeeeello paultag!
[04:34] <paultag> oh hey pleia2 :)
[04:35] <paultag> pleia2, how are you?
[04:35] <pleia2> I just spilled a bottle of water on my couch :\
[04:35] <paultag> Well shucks
[04:35] <pleia2> but otherwise, good!
[04:35] <pleia2> hehe
[04:35] <paultag> Good to hear :)
[04:35] <pleia2> you?
[04:35] <paultag> Not so good comrade pleia2 :(
[04:36] <paultag> pleia2, I have contracted H1N1
[04:36] <pleia2> aww
[04:36]  * pleia2 hugs paultag 
[04:36] <pleia2> oh, that sucks
[04:36] <paultag> Might not want to get too close :P
[04:36] <pleia2> yeah, I haven't been vaccinated yet!
[04:36] <paultag> But other then that, good :)
[04:36] <pleia2> will on tuesday when I go in for a checkup if my doctor has it
[04:36] <paultag> pleia2, for sure. This sucks
[04:37] <pleia2> bad flu, or worse?
[04:37] <paultag> It's a bad flu, but you don't get a stuffy nose
[04:37]  * pleia2 nods
[04:38] <pleia2> I already caught a regular stuffynose+fever flu this year, flu season started waaaay too early
[04:38] <paultag> It's not good _at all_
[04:38] <pleia2> you should be paultag_h1n1
[04:39] <paultag_h1n1> :)
[04:39] <pleia2> hehe
[10:46] <[V]ortex`> hello
[10:47] <[V]ortex`> how do i resize my desktop?
[11:58] <ZachK_> [V]ortex`, meaning the screen size?
[15:03] <[V]ortex`> oops is there anyone alive here?
[15:04] <paultag_h1n1> Nope [V]ortex`
[15:04] <[V]ortex`> :(
[15:05] <[V]ortex`> does anyone know if firefox 3.5 is supported by ubuntu jaunty?
[15:05] <[V]ortex`> cos it says 3.5 beta
[15:05] <[V]ortex`> but it's been 3.5 stable in windows xp for quite long
[15:06] <paultag_h1n1> [V]ortex`, this is not a help channel :)
[15:06] <[V]ortex`> oops ok
[15:06] <[V]ortex`> ignore that then
[15:06] <paultag_h1n1> [V]ortex`, it's ok
[15:06] <paultag_h1n1> [V]ortex`, you can head to #ubuntu-beginners-help
[15:07] <paultag_h1n1> [V]ortex`, or #ubuntu
[15:07] <[V]ortex`> ok thanks paultag_h1n1
[15:08] <paultag_h1n1> [V]ortex`, np
[15:15] <MenDan> hello what's wrong about my nautilus :nautilus[17816]: segfault at 3 ip b7817046 sp bfb0e4e0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2200.2[b77c0000+b4000
[15:15] <paultag_h1n1> MenDan, this is not a help channel
[15:15] <paultag_h1n1> MenDan, for help please go to #ubuntu
[15:16] <MenDan> ok thanks also
[15:17] <paultag_h1n1> MenDan, sure
[17:40] <pleia2> doctormo: "moodled" makes me giggle (I like it!)
[17:48] <doctormo> pleia2: Thanks :-)
[17:59] <doctormo> pleia2: How is your day shaping up?
[18:08] <doctormo> pleia2: Are you really on a machine with 4GiB of RAM because Karmic was harmful to the swap with anything less?
[19:14] <pleia2> doctormo: no, my system has 2G of ram (and I'm not running karmic now)
[19:15] <doctormo> pleia2: hmm, perhaps that comment I saw wasn't by you
[19:15] <pleia2> I commented, but not that one :)
[19:22] <swoody> Well guys, I'm going to be away for the rest of today and tomorrow, so I'll see you all later :)
[19:22] <swoody> take care
[19:23] <pleia2> have a nice weekend, swoody
[19:23] <swoody> thanks, and you as well pleia2 :D
[19:26] <doctormo> have a good weekend
[23:33] <cprofitt> Saj0577, you here?
[23:33] <doctormo> hey cprofitt
[23:33] <cprofitt> hey doctormo
[23:33] <cprofitt> I sent a message to the list...
[23:34] <doctormo> Aye got it
[23:35] <doctormo> I wouldn't agree that your proposed status table would be a refinement, I quite like the existing system proposed by pleia2
[23:35] <doctormo> It's simple and splits things out nicely for each stage we need to work out
[23:36] <doctormo> Of course, I won't be focusing publishing on moodle, so my ideas are somewhat skewed towards development.
[23:36] <cprofitt> but can you point me to the log from the meeting in which the group adopted asciidoc officially
[23:36] <cprofitt> I am sorry you do not agree with me on the refinement.
[23:37] <cprofitt> Where is Pleia's plan documented? Does it included courses or just sections?
[23:37] <cprofitt> doctormo, I hope you will focus on publishing in Moodle... as we have agreed to publish in all three formats; right?
[23:38] <cprofitt> As a board member I think we have to really try to support all the formats in the project...
[23:38] <cprofitt> I want to work with bioselement this week potentially to see how asciidoc works
[23:39] <doctormo> Aye, we've agreed to publish in all formats, so all considerations need to be made. This is why my statement is to admit that my proposals will not be as well rounded as required by the whole process. Those with more expertese are needed to help fill in the holes.
[23:40] <cprofitt> do you have a link to the proposed system from pleia?
[23:41] <doctormo> wasn't it on the mailing list? i'll digg into the archives for it
[23:42] <cprofitt> I have been looking for it...
[23:42] <cprofitt> my recollection is that it was a general overview of the entire process...
[23:43] <doctormo> Yes
[23:43] <cprofitt> not for what I was discussing... the creation of 'classes' or 'courses'
[23:43] <cprofitt> for 'items' we adopt we really need to, as a team, document things on the wiki
[23:43] <cprofitt> so that we do not need to go back to mailing lists, etc for things we adopt.
[23:44] <cprofitt> documentation of the process is crucial to other people being able to  look at our project and decide to join... then become active
[23:44] <cprofitt> There was a long period in which I got nothing from the list as well...
[23:45] <cprofitt> doctormo, on a side not did you like the background? http://ftbeowulf.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bckgrnd11.png
[23:45] <doctormo> Interesting, a technical problem perhaps
[23:45] <cprofitt> it seems like it...
[23:46] <cprofitt> when i switched from daily digest to regular I started getting them again
[23:46] <doctormo> cprofitt: It's nice, only niggle would be the ubuntu logo, which seems like it's cut out of a white backgrounded raster image, instead I recomend making use of the svg images with semi transparencies for shadows.
[23:47] <doctormo> The digest might be set wrong, it might ony send when it's gotten enough emails.
[23:47] <doctormo> AFAUS Class writing is pretty much a feature of wiki to asciidoc, even if it ends up going through odf or moodle first.
[23:48] <cprofitt> I am not talking about 'just writing' a course...
[23:48] <doctormo> As for team organisation, I think perhaps a page with all adopted things, ordered so we can reference them if required and amend them in further meetings.
[23:49] <cprofitt> doctormo, exactly...
[23:49] <cprofitt> or perhaps place them in the applicable section.
[23:50] <doctormo> The last this we want to do is become too officious, where everything revolves around what we've agreed on, using regulation as a way to beat people into line isn't always best for projects. I have a feeling that a certain amount of this is going to be a little random until we've been at it for a few years.
[23:50] <cprofitt> I am talking about the 'course' design...
[23:50] <cprofitt> as it seems like we are really writing 'topics'...
[23:50] <cprofitt> and then we combine those topics in to 'courses'
[23:50] <doctormo> Yes, so in development we have those 5 sections
[23:51] <doctormo> This is why I didn't want us to get too hung up about those 5 sections. It's not like they'll translate into courses.
[23:51] <cprofitt> exactly..
[23:51] <cprofitt> what I was trying to communicate in the email was the process of 'designing a course' from the content.
[23:52] <cprofitt> we will need to 'mash it'
[23:52] <cprofitt> then convert it to a written media, Moodle format, etc...
[23:52] <cprofitt> the table was for that process... to be on the 'course' page
[23:53] <cprofitt> eventually we may have 'content' that can be made in to a custom course...
[23:53] <cprofitt> and already made courses
[23:53] <cprofitt> we may have a course in in-person format... that could just be transferred to Moodle
[23:53] <doctormo> If course organisation needs to go on the wiki, then we'll need some new pages, I'm fine with you taking charge of that and proposing any sort of publishing status tables your happy with.
[23:53] <cprofitt> we need a way to organize all that...
[23:54] <cprofitt> I will work on something to show as an example.
[23:54] <cprofitt> I feel that we have such diverse experiences that it is a must to produce examples
[23:54] <doctormo> I mean, I want the classes to be very mashable, if someone takes from our sections and develops something interesting etc.
[23:54] <cprofitt> so that we have a 'bridge' to what we are talking about.
[23:54] <cprofitt> I find often that you and I are saying different things, but meaning things that are very close
[23:55] <doctormo> I was thinking, is there a simple import format for moodle books?
[23:55] <cprofitt> and when we butt heads it is because neither can see what the other is really saying
[23:55] <cprofitt> Moodle packages its courses as .zip files...
[23:55] <doctormo> Aye, looking at different things.
[23:55] <cprofitt> but it is not a 'common' format by any means
[23:55] <doctormo> Could you email be a sample course zip file? I'll see how easy it is to put something together to generate them for bare bones importing.
[23:56] <doctormo> That should help bridge
[23:56] <cprofitt> it also works with the SCORM format... but I have not seen that.
[23:57] <cprofitt> doctormo, if you go to this course - http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=6
[23:57] <cprofitt> and just hit 'backup' it should generate that zip file for you.
[23:59] <doctormo> thanks
[23:59] <cprofitt> np