[00:00] <fta> bug 370172
[00:01] <fta> how do i file a bug against the kernel? "apport-bug linux" says "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[00:01] <asac> you have a special kernel?
[00:04] <fta> no
[00:04] <asac> sounds bad
[00:04] <asac> maybe not the latest?
[00:05] <asac> works for me  :/
[00:05] <asac> i used ubuntu-bug though
[00:05] <asac> not apport-bug
[00:05] <asac> but thats just a link afaik
[00:05] <fta> then the man page is wrong
[00:05]  * BUGabundo tests
[00:05] <asac> let me upgrade to latest everywhere
[00:05] <fta> i'm fully up-to-date
[00:05] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux works
[00:05] <asac> fta: lets discuss the archive reorg tomorrow. and do that this weekend with some lag into monday if needed
[00:06] <fta> k
[00:06] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp linux works too
[00:06] <asac> didnt get a response on redirect yet.
[00:06] <asac> but i dont think that should hinder any changes
[00:06] <asac> we can push for that afterwards still
[00:07] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/300134/
[00:10] <asac> linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic
[00:10] <asac> thats old
[00:10] <asac> i am at -14 at least
[00:10] <asac> uname -a
[00:10] <asac> Linux tinya 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:10] <asac> could be they prevent filing with old versions
[00:12] <fta> ?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:13] <fta> damn
[00:13] <asac> fta: you have -12
[00:13] <asac> according to your paste
[00:13] <asac> *** Problem in linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic
[00:13] <asac> fta@ix:~ $ uname -a
[00:13] <asac> Linux ix 2.6.31-12-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 7 18:42:46 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:14] <fta> yep, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
[00:14] <asac> dist-upgrade
[00:14] <asac> kernel not upgraded?
[00:14] <fta> lol
[00:14] <fta> i'm not a noob
[00:14] <asac> i know
[00:14] <asac> anyway
[00:14] <asac> so you cannot file a bug with -12 running
[00:15] <fta> yes, kernel & epiphany
[00:15] <asac> why epiphany?
[00:15] <fta> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[00:15] <fta>   epiphany-gecko epiphany-webkit-data gstreamer0.10-schroedinger
[00:15] <asac> epiphany should be done
[00:15] <asac> yes
[00:15] <asac> thats oki  ... isnt it?
[00:15] <fta> i don't care, i don't use epiphany at all
[00:16] <asac> i dont see why your kernel isnt updated
[00:16] <BUGabundo> fta: time for a $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade   ?
[00:16] <asac> epiphany cant be the reason
[00:16] <BUGabundo> bad mirror?
[00:16] <asac> well. he doesnt really post everything
[00:16] <BUGabundo> staled due to major upgrades?
[00:17] <fta> The following packages will be upgraded:
[00:17] <fta>   epiphany-browser-data epiphany-extensions gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic xserver-xorg-input-all
[00:17] <asac> maybe he has pinned it or whatver
[00:17] <asac> good
[00:17] <BUGabundo> there you go
[00:17] <BUGabundo> kernel upgrade
[00:17] <fta> (i jsut pasted the epiphany part)
[00:17] <asac> you said you are not a noob
[00:17] <asac> ;)
[00:17] <asac> so i thought you were really stuck
[00:17] <asac> so now you can update?
[00:17] <asac> good
[00:18] <asac> false alert is better than real bustage ;)
[00:18] <fta> assuming i've been using debian since 1997..
[00:18] <asac> yes
[00:18] <asac> i never assumed you are noob ... in no way ;)
[00:19] <asac> my update gets new openoffice ;)
[00:20] <fta> already got it, that's why i said i was up-to-date
[00:20] <asac> ok
[00:20] <asac> yeah
[00:20] <fta> i just didn't check the not upgraded
[00:20] <asac> but it looks what you are running
[00:20] <asac> for linux
[00:20] <asac> kk
[00:21] <asac> gwibber is stable now btw ;)
[00:21] <BUGabundo> asac: my old copy of gwibber 1.2 stop pulling feeds :(
[00:21] <asac> BUGabundo: 2.0 is now good
[00:21] <asac> try it
[00:21] <BUGabundo> I would file a bug, but since its outdated
[00:22] <BUGabundo> no one is supporting it
[00:22] <BUGabundo> asac: I'm using it
[00:22] <BUGabundo> but has many bugs
[00:22] <asac> latest?
[00:22] <fta> asac, but upgrades should restart the daemon
[00:22] <BUGabundo> tends to jam
[00:22] <BUGabundo> its very slow
[00:22] <asac> fta: we fixed that somewhat
[00:22] <BUGabundo> Refresh doesn't work
[00:22] <BUGabundo> no Jaiku support
[00:22] <asac> we stop the daemon now if you explicitly quit gwibber
[00:22] <BUGabundo> asac: FINALLY
[00:22] <fta> oh; good
[00:22] <asac> BUGabundo: refresh works ;)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> I had to kill it manually
[00:22] <asac> BUGabundo: could be that some backend is broken
[00:23] <asac> we want to know which backend it is
[00:23] <asac> BUGabundo: maybe you are not running the build from today
[00:23] <BUGabundo> daily build
[00:23] <asac> it was approved like 8 hours ago or so
[00:23] <BUGabundo> 2.0 will not support Jaiku
[00:23] <asac> daily might be too old
[00:23] <asac> yes
[00:23] <BUGabundo> AFAIK
[00:23] <fta> it seems like if you upgrade gwibber without restarting it, it dies. at least until yesterday
[00:23] <asac> but refresh and stuff is now solid
[00:23] <asac> all the threading is fixed ;)
[00:23] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.0.0~bzr476-0ubuntu1
[00:23] <asac> fta: that might be a different thing. but gwibber died regularly
[00:23] <asac> just because it was using multi-ple threads
[00:24] <asac> without ensuring thread-safeness
[00:24] <BUGabundo> how come daily is older?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> 2.0.0~bzr473-0ubuntu2~daily1
[00:24] <asac> BUGabundo: k ... i think i know what you mean
[00:24] <asac> the display doesnt refresh
[00:24] <fta> damn: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34297729/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~hg20091023r4223%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd4~intrepid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:24] <asac> thats a minor bug compared to what we have before
[00:24] <fta> dh_install: thunderbird-3.0 missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0*/[LR]*), aborting
[00:24] <BUGabundo> asac: from user POV it stays the same
[00:24] <asac> but you can just click on "messages" again and will see all the updates
[00:24] <asac> BUGabundo: well. not really ;) the same
[00:25] <asac> you can at least get new dents/tweets
[00:25] <asac> usually update works
[00:25] <asac> but sometimes not
[00:25] <asac> so you get used to it until we fixs that in SRU
[00:25] <asac> fta: tbird is a beast
[00:25] <BUGabundo> and why SOOO big delay between pulling it , and showing on notify osd?
[00:25] <asac> BUGabundo: thats notify-osd
[00:26] <asac> BUGabundo: so some backends take like 3-10 seconds to pull
[00:26] <asac> so you get the notifications at least with that delay
[00:26] <BUGabundo> that's plain bad
[00:26] <asac> + you notify-osd also defers notifications like 10 seconds or so sometimes
[00:26] <BUGabundo> asac: so https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/446146 will just be SRU?
[00:27] <asac> nothing changed there as expected
[00:27] <BUGabundo> :((
[00:28] <BUGabundo> I guess Canonical is planing to ship CDs with updates for every affected user :p
[00:29] <asac> we already talked about that yesterday
[00:29] <BUGabundo> and ?
[00:29] <asac> you and me
[00:29] <BUGabundo> they plan to enfoce policy?
[00:29] <asac> i said all i think
[00:29] <BUGabundo> its a shame
[00:29] <BUGabundo> it really is
[00:30] <asac> no ... i didnt talk to any kernel folk, because i know the procedure. rerolling a kernel after RC is far off
[00:31] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:31] <BUGabundo> asac: so what can *I* do to
[00:31] <BUGabundo> fix this for me?
[00:31] <asac> you can grab the latest upstream daily ;)
[00:32] <BUGabundo> I'm tired of melting my android with tether
[00:32] <asac> BUGabundo: try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.5/
[00:32] <BUGabundo> from the kernel PPA?
[00:32] <asac> not sure if its in there
[00:32] <asac> or if you need .32
[00:32] <asac> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32-rc5/
[00:32] <BUGabundo> I'll test it
[00:32] <asac> i would install both and see if that works
[00:33] <BUGabundo>  after upgrading to the newest kernel ( http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.5/  ), downloaded from another machine I finally found a way to connect  with my E220 using the mentioned
[00:33] <BUGabundo> quoted from the bug
[00:33] <BUGabundo> Looking at the changelog for 2.6.31.5 (http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.31.5)  it appears Ben H's fix is included.
[00:34] <asac> yes
[00:34] <asac> so verify that the .5 works
[00:34] <BUGabundo> downloading now
[00:43] <lunatic> hey everyone i am running jaunty and have a problem with swiftfox - the browser resets all my settngs, and bookmarks/history are inacessible if i am not running browser as root
[00:44] <lunatic> i have tried chmod and various solutions found on the forums, but alas
[00:45] <lunatic> anyone with a solution?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> hitting the pillow. gdnuit everyone
[01:01] <asac> lunatic: we dont do swiftfox in here usually
[01:01] <asac> but following things you find on forums usually makes it worse ;)
[01:01] <asac> thats all i can say:)
[01:02] <asac> lunatic: its most likely a packaging thing
[01:02] <asac> if you ever run a firefox/xulrunner as root
[01:02] <asac> you will be busted
[01:02] <asac> at least on old branches you could never run it as user again
[01:02] <asac> so never ever run as root
[01:02] <lunatic> asac i had the same problem with firefox
[01:02] <asac> is the most important rule
[01:02] <asac> yes
[01:02] <asac> in the past that was an issue with firefox
[01:02] <asac> not sure if its still an issue
[01:02] <asac> i hoped not
[01:03] <asac> but running any mozilla as root is strictly destructive
[01:03] <lunatic> well i read that ppl got to solve the issue
[01:03] <asac> so what you probably need to do
[01:03] <asac> is to remove the package ... find everything that is left behind
[01:03] <asac> in the /usr/li/... directories it used
[01:03] <asac> and remove them manually
[01:03] <lunatic> like profile folders? ok got it
[01:03] <lunatic> and then get firefox 3.5?
[01:03] <asac> lunatic: well. most of those solutions are liek: "you need to run as root" ... you need to remove your profile from time to time ... you need to do x y z ... or something other ugly
[01:04] <asac> lunatic: yes. and if you ran it as root you might have now root only files in your profile
[01:04] <lunatic> asac i did notice that^^
[01:04] <asac> so you really should first cleanup all the stuff
[01:04] <asac> e.g. remove package
[01:04] <asac> check that there is nothing left in /usr/lib/ etc.
[01:04] <asac> that is remotely related
[01:04] <asac> to swiftfox
[01:04] <asac> maybe check if there is something still in /usr/lib/swiftfox after removing
[01:05] <asac> then fix your profile
[01:05] <asac> chown USERNAME -R /path/to/profile
[01:05] <asac> and hope for the bets
[01:05] <asac> best
[01:05] <asac> next time when it doesnt start
[01:05] <asac> dont try as root
[01:05] <asac> ;)
[01:05] <asac> rather try disabling extensions etc
[01:05] <asac> first
[01:06] <asac> there is almost no way running mozilla as root will help ;)
[01:06] <asac> it will only cause more pain
[01:06] <asac> lunatic: if you hard core you can use things like strace -eopen -f firefox  ... and check what files it cannot open etc.
[01:07] <asac> though it needs a trained eye to spot that among all the crap that comes out there ;)
[01:09] <asac> hmm. did that sound like harsh words or why did he skip ;)
[01:10] <asac> night
[01:11] <lunatic> yay i got kicked out of my session)
[01:14] <lunatic> okay i have --purge removed swiftfox, the SF dir in /usr/lib got deleted.
[01:53] <fta> asac, i knew there was something weird with tb3... debian/tmp/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.1a1pre  it's no longer 3.0
[12:13] <asac> fta: oh. so they made a final branch now?
[12:17] <av`> asac, you should receive a mail about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552185
[12:26] <asac> av`: are you gnome-bluetooth in debian?
[12:26] <asac> av`: you need to add a udev rule
[12:26] <asac> for now
[12:27] <asac> thats what we did in ubuntu
[12:27] <av`> asac, yes, I follow gnome-bluetooth for debian
[12:27] <av`> asac, did you read that bug report?
[12:27] <asac> its kind of a temporary solution
[12:27] <asac> thats why putting it in gnome-bluetooth is right
[12:27] <av`> would you mind writing a rationale for adding it now?
[12:27] <asac> in the end it should be wrapped in bluez api
[12:28] <av`> in the bug report of course
[12:28] <asac> the rational for adding it now is that otherwise nothing will work ;)
[12:29] <asac> at least not really nice
[12:29] <asac> ly
[12:29] <asac> i am running ... you can paste what i wrote here or i will answer when back later today
[12:29] <asac> ttyl
[12:29] <av`> ok, cya later
[13:49] <fta> hi
[13:49] <fta> asac, no, i didn't
[14:41] <fta> mozilla 46625
[14:41] <fta> mozilla 466250
[14:44] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/300578/
[15:25] <fta> asac, i've created a branch for tb 3.1 following comm-central, i based it on mozilla-central as obviously, it's what upstream wants
[15:26] <fta> i've updated tb 3.0 to follow comm-1.9.1, based on mozilla-1.9.1
[15:30] <fta> i won't add 3.1 to my bot until we've reorganized the daily PPAs
[16:14]  * eagles0513875 waves to fta and asac and anyone else in here
[17:28] <fta> dtchen, i think my problem with openarena is that it takes nearly all the cpu on my 2 cores, like 180% cpu, and p-a fights for the rest
[17:28] <dtchen> fta: yes, it's a SDL issue
[17:28] <dtchen> an SDL*
[17:29] <dtchen> it's on my queue for today
[17:29] <fta> ohoh, nice
[18:05] <fta> is stardict installable? for me, it has been unupgradeable for months :(
[18:07] <fta> oh, nm. i remember now. scrollkeeper vs rarian-compat
[21:32] <dtchen> fta: these SDL changes to PulseAudio themselves are _huge_
[21:32] <dtchen> fta: I haven't even started looking at the ALSA ones, though I expect them to be less invasive
[21:33] <dtchen> fta: Karmic's SDL driver for Pulse is horridly outdated
[21:33] <fta> dtchen, i have no doubts about that. let me know if you want me to try something
[21:34] <dtchen> fta: I'm afraid it will take more than 24 hours just to review the code changes
[22:01] <dtchen> fta: ...yeah, this stuff isn't going into karmic-updates at all. It'll be much better in lucid.
[22:01] <BUGabundo> eeh
[22:01] <BUGabundo> it will always be much better :)
[22:02] <dtchen> fta: I should have something in the ubuntu-audio-dev soon after, if not by, karmic's release.
[22:02] <dtchen> the 100% cpu usage is caused by both the pulse output plugin and SDL spinning in their respective loops
[22:02] <dtchen> twice the work for the fail
[22:03] <dtchen> and on top of that, it's not even progress; it's just busy spinning doing nothing
[22:04] <fta> dtchen, that explains a lot..
[22:06] <dtchen> ...and the alsa output plugin just does buffering all wrong
[22:07] <dtchen> it looks like I need to keep an eye on libSDL, too :/
[22:11] <BUGabundo> dtchen: thanks for the note. I'm realying it to joaopinto who is also suffenring from it
[22:12] <fta> it will probably help with vbox too