[00:04] <wolter> does the developer release CD come with the usb-creator.exe thing?
[00:04] <wolter> I need it
[00:05] <TuTUXG> how come shipit says my account as reached the limit of request?
[00:06] <TuTUXG> i haven't ordered my karmic cd yet
[00:06] <joaopinto> wolter, developer release CD ???
[00:06] <wolter> joaopinto, yeah, the ISOs you can download for the beta
[00:07] <joaopinto> oh you mean development version :)
[00:07] <BUGabundo> !daily | wolter
[00:07] <BUGabundo> that one ?
[00:07] <wgrant> TuTUXG: http://blog.canonical.com/?p=264
[00:07] <joaopinto> wolter, you dont need an usb-creator.exe, you boot from the cd, and it does provide the usb creator utility, which is a linux app, not windows
[00:07] <Cyberkilla> Nobody experiencing this tray icon issue (background is not transparent!) http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34141884/tmp.png
[00:08] <DanaG> ah, "displaysize" helps.
[00:08] <Cyberkilla> To see the problem, just set a transparency or background image on your gnome-panel.
[00:08] <Jordan_U> TuTUXG: http://blog.canonical.com/?p=264
[00:08] <wgrant> joaopinto: There is a Windows version too.
[00:08] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: for karmic it was made a wind version !
[00:08] <joaopinto> oh there is, sorry :P
[00:08] <BUGabundo> :p
[00:08] <joaopinto> but why should one need it :P ?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> to make usb sticks
[00:08] <BUGabundo> while running wind
[00:08] <wolter> I guess, Im downloading this: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:08] <Cyberkilla> I can't seem to get anyone to confirm the issue:(
[00:09] <joaopinto> ok, if you can't burn the cd :P
[00:09] <wgrant> Odd. I don't see it on the 9.10 RCs desktop CDs.
[00:09] <BUGabundo> to boot and test and install ubuntu
[00:09] <wolter> joaopinto, I know why I need a usb-creator.exe
[00:09] <TuTUXG> Jordan_U, meh... nvm, i just want it as a souvenir, not like i really need it...
[00:09] <joaopinto> wolter, great, now I also know ;)
[00:09] <wolter> joaopinto, ok sorry I missed some lines :)
[00:09] <wolter> oh nice, then its fine
[00:10] <ubuntu_> installing grub in chroot didn't work, can someone help me?
[00:11] <Cyberkilla> A crazy amount of people idle in this room.
[00:11] <ubuntu_> so basically this is what i did: i installed kubuntu on my second hdd and the mbr on the first hdd
[00:11] <ubuntu_> but now i removed the first hdd to use the second as main hdd
[00:11] <ubuntu_> how do i reinstall grub knowing the /boot is on hdd1 (first partition)?
[00:12] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: How did it not work?
[00:12] <Cyberkilla> /_/[00:13] <Heikki123> lol out the lollipop
[00:13] <ubuntu_> well it installed, i rebooted but got a grub prompt
[00:13] <aprilhare> hmmmm. encountering AMD64 weirdness. - my main account (left over from jaunty) causes firefox crashes. even when running firefox in safe mode, firefox will crash when accessing http://www.balloonboygame.com/ . I logged into a new account i created under karmic. http://www.balloonboygame.com/ does not crash at all. - I am confused.
[00:13] <aprilhare> what am I missing?
[00:14] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, could be some add-ons with your firefox
[00:15] <TuTUXG> try to rm (backup first) your ~/.mozilla/firefox folder and reopen ff
[00:15] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: What was the grub prompt? Did it say anything about stage 1.5?
[00:15] <aprilhare> TuTUXG, i even renamed the .mozilla directory and that didn't do it
[00:15] <Heikki123> i see red people
[00:15] <ubuntu_> Jordan_U: no, it said i can use tab to see a list of commands
[00:16] <DanaG> well, now kde4 is readable.. .but everything is now huge.  It makes my 15" 1920x1200 screen feel like a 12" 1280x800 screen.
[00:16] <aprilhare> something else, somewhere on my main account is causing this
[00:16] <_akahige_> is the gnome volume toolbar button supposed to be tied to pulseaudio ?
[00:16] <bjsnider> DanaG, still want to use kde4 after gnome 3 is released?
[00:16] <wgrant> _akahige_: Yes.
[00:16] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, yes
[00:17] <aprilhare> i have absolutely no idea what :)
[00:17] <aprilhare> or how to find it.
[00:17] <_akahige_> wgrant: mine doesn't effect the volume. is there a setting that's maybe wrong, or would that be a bug?
[00:17] <DanaG> Eh, I'd probably rather switch to XFCE.
[00:17] <bjsnider> hahaa
[00:17] <bjsnider> i knew it
[00:17] <bjsnider> nobody leaves gnome for kde
[00:17] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, start ff from commad line and say what's the output
[00:17] <Heikki123> =)
[00:17] <jonne> when i plug in headphones, static comes out of my speakers
[00:17] <wgrant> _akahige_: If the main volume control doesn't affect the volume, there is a bug.
[00:17] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: Do you have another drive in that machine?
[00:18] <DanaG> KDE is really, really really bulky.
[00:18] <ubuntu_> yes, but its a new i've added, it isn't formatted yet
[00:18] <bjsnider> very much so
[00:18] <DanaG> argh, and compiz under kde can't do alt-f2.
[00:18] <bjsnider> DanaG, it's also voluble, like windows
[00:18] <TuTUXG> DanaG, just use kwin
[00:19] <bjsnider> no, he can't use kwin
[00:19] <wgrant> jonne: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:19] <aprilhare> TuTUXG, i just ran it on the test account and seen this ALSA lib conf.c:2854:(snd_config_hook_load) cannot access file /etc/asound.conf
[00:19] <_akahige_> if by "main volume" you mean the default toolbar button/applet, then it's not doing anything. but if I open "sound preferences" and go to applications, I can adjust the volume on the apps individually -- just not the master output volume
[00:19] <bjsnider> he doesn't want to lose compiz when gnome 3 is released, so dropping it for kwin wouldn't work
[00:19] <Cyberkilla> Can somebody confirm that pidgin or banshee (or another app) has an opaque background when you make your gnome-panel have a transparent bg or an image bg?
[00:19] <wgrant> jonne: It should Just Work.
[00:19] <aprilhare> i just get segmentation fault on my main account
[00:19] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, i have no idea what's that...
[00:19] <Cyberkilla> Does anybody know the cause if the tray icon background problem?
[00:19] <aprilhare> TuTUXG, neither do i
[00:20] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: Try removing it just to test ( in case grub was incorrectly installed to its mbr )
[00:20] <DanaG> voluble?
[00:20] <aprilhare> alsa is sound, obviously
[00:20] <aprilhare> but beyond that i'm lost
[00:20] <TuTUXG> yea, so do u have sound in firefox?
[00:20] <aprilhare> yes
[00:20] <penguin42> Cyberkilla: For me the panel background doesn't change the tray background
[00:20] <aprilhare> i have sound
[00:20] <ubuntu_> Jordan_U: i don't think so, as i ran followinf command: grub-install /dev/sda
[00:20] <aprilhare> even when using flash in my main account; i have sound
[00:21] <TuTUXG> i dont even have that file
[00:21] <ubuntu_> and the second is /dev/sdb
[00:21] <ubuntu_> Jordan_U: but isn't the /boot invalid now? since i changed my first hard drive
[00:22] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: Yes, but if the initial install installed to sdb, and sdb is the first in the boot order, you could have a problem
[00:23] <ubuntu_> Jordan_U: maybe, however before rebooting i did a format of the second hard drive, so the mbr isn't installed on the second
[00:23] <DanaG> I see... alt-f2 is in Gnome thingy, specifically.
[00:23] <DanaG> Dang, how do you trigger the KDE4 "run" thing by command line?
[00:23] <bjsnider> DanaG, actually switching to xfce makes a lot of sense in your situation
[00:23] <TuTUXG> DanaG, krunner?
[00:24] <Cyberkilla> penguin42: So, that's a confirmation? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34141884/tmp.png Do you get something along those lines?
[00:24] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: The only thing that would be invalid is where the MBR looks for boot.img, which should be fixed by grub-install
[00:24] <Cyberkilla> penguin42: thanks, btw;)
[00:24] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: Everything else should be based on UUIDs
[00:24] <penguin42> Cyberkilla: I'm not quite sure what that's showing
[00:24] <TuTUXG> DanaG, if u run gnome-settings-daemon, you'll have alt-f2
[00:24] <ubuntu_> Jordan_U: but concerning the chroot thing, i mounted /dev/sda2 (is / partition)
[00:24] <ubuntu_> however /boot is /dev/sda1
[00:25] <ubuntu_> was this wrong?
[00:25] <DanaG> bah, to heck with it... I'm purging kde4 and going back to Gnome, for now.
[00:25] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[00:25] <TuTUXG> lol
[00:25] <DanaG> Though, what's the KDE notifications thingy?
[00:25] <DanaG> I'm considering trying that thing under Gnome.
[00:25] <DanaG> Oh, and at least KDE gives brightness display.
[00:25] <TuTUXG> yea, that's pretty neat
[00:25] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: If you mounted /dev/sda2 to /mnt then you need to mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot
[00:26] <ubuntu_> ok i didn't do that before executing grub-install
[00:26] <ubuntu_> wast his the problem maybeN
[00:26] <TuTUXG> bespin faked up my kde4
[00:26] <Cyberkilla> penguin42: the panel in the image which has a box around the tray icons is just gnome-panel with a background image set. The colour behind the tray icons is the default colour of the panel. It *should* be transparent, with the image behind it.
[00:27] <aprilhare> brb
[00:27] <Jordan_U> ubuntu_: Probably, mount it correctly and try again
[00:28] <Cyberkilla> penguin42: the panel where the tray icons appear to have no box is the one with no image set. I get a similar thing if I right click on the panel and make it a little transparent (the tray icons have an opaque grey box around them)
[00:28] <penguin42> Cyberkilla: OK yes, the tray appears to be opaque
[00:30] <Cyberkilla> penguin42: Thanks, that pretty much confirms it. I can't believe this problem has appeared _again_. I can't get any of the devs to respond to me:P
[00:30] <DanaG> ah, back in Gnome.
[00:31] <DanaG> weird... removing kubuntu-desktop didn't automatically remove the stuff it pulled in.
[00:32] <DanaG> SOmehow, aptitude failed to markauto.
[00:32] <bjsnider> try autoremove
[00:32] <bjsnider> i think if you remove kdelibs5
[00:33] <bjsnider> then everything else is orphaned and can be autoremoved
[00:33] <dmatt> DanaG: btw, if you put correct shell command into KDE ALT-F2 dialog, it would list execution as option
[00:33] <DanaG> argh, not even notify-osd is showing brightness.
[00:33] <bjsnider> DanaG, why don't you start using gnome-shell now and get used to it?
[00:35] <TuTUXG> compiz will run with gnome-shell?
[00:35] <Raydiation> wow, fine new installation
[00:35] <Raydiation> like in windows :)
[00:35] <bjsnider> TuTUXG, negative
[00:35] <Raydiation> but it boots slower than jaunty
[00:35] <TuTUXG> i thought he wants compiz
[00:36] <bjsnider> compiz's days are numbered
[00:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/367049
[00:37] <bjsnider> at least someone's working on it
[00:37] <DanaG> As far as I'm concerned, if I can't get the animations I want, anything else is a regression.
[00:37] <DanaG> Last time I tried gnome-shell, it sucked.... I clicked the applications "menu", and nothing happened within a split second... so I clicked it like 20 more times.
[00:38] <DanaG> And I was able to click it that 20 times within the time it actually took to display the overlay thingy.
[00:38] <bjsnider> DanaG, what kind of graphics card do youhave?
[00:38] <bjsnider> ati?
[00:38] <DanaG> ATI.
[00:38] <Jordan_U> DanaG: It's still in development :)
[00:38] <DanaG> But this was even with the x-server-no-backfill thingamajig.
[00:39] <DanaG> Well, I just tried it again... now it's not as laggy, but it does still suck.
[00:39] <DanaG> I mean, no taskbar?
[00:39] <Cyberkilla> Gnome-shell is a bit too incomplete for me atm. Compiz has significant customisation advantages, and since gnome-shell is a GNOME project, it probably always will.
[00:40] <DanaG> And alt-tab is laggy as all hell.
[00:40] <ylynfatt>  I seem to be unable to boot into Ubuntu 9.10. I see the ubuntu logo when it's booting but then the screen goes blank. Could someone assist?
[00:40] <Cyberkilla> I mean, the new GDM is attrocious. You can't even disable the damned login drumroll noise.
[00:40] <bjsnider> on your platform
[00:40] <DanaG> Oh, no wonder it's laggy.
[00:40] <DanaG> Try pressing alt-tab once.
[00:40] <DanaG> It shows the current window, but doesn't switch!
[00:40] <ylynfatt> When I go into the recovery kernel option and try to run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' I get an error which says 'error processing python2.6-minimal'
[00:41] <DanaG> So, it's no longer alt-tab.
[00:41] <DanaG> It's alt-tabtab
[00:41] <penguin42> Cyberkilla: The description I've seen is that actually the gdm is now a full  normal user session so in principal you can now change any part of it - it's just they haven't quite got the config tools to do it yet
[00:41] <hipitihop> I'm trying to use ubuntu-bug but it reports: "You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: dbus, dbus-x11, libblkid1, libcomerr2, libdbus-1-3, libdjvulibre-text, libdjvulibre21, libgmp3c2, libilmbase6, libmp3lame0, libopenexr6, libuuid1, mount, tzdata" I have done update && upgrade, tips ?
[00:42] <wgrant> hipitihop: The mirror that you are using is probably out of date.
[00:42] <evilaim> hipitihop: sudo update-manager -d
[00:42] <Jordan_U> hipitihop: dist-upgrade?
[00:42] <wgrant> evilaim: No.
[00:42] <Jordan_U> evilaim: no
[00:42] <evilaim> haha
[00:42] <evilaim> no no no
[00:42] <evilaim> what am I, being naughty?
[00:43] <wgrant> It is not a solution to that problem.
[00:43] <Jordan_U> evilaim: He's not trying to upgrade from jaunty, update-manager doesn't need to be run as root and
[00:43] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | evilaim
[00:43] <hipitihop> wgrant: what is the easiest way to tell which I'm using ?
[00:44] <wgrant> hipitihop: System->Administration->Software Sources. 'Download from:' is the relevant field.
[00:44]  * aprilhare tries to determine what could be running that could interfere with firefox on his main user account. could Adobe AIR do it? cause i have a Adobe AIR applet running
[00:44] <ylynfatt> Anyone else receiving dependency problems with python2.6-minimal?
[00:44] <hipitihop> wgrant: thanks I now about that one, just owndered if there was a cli... just that I'm using an ssh session
[00:45] <wgrant> hipitihop: Check /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:45] <drbobb> it looks like a PPA version of the sis driver solves a lot of the problems with those graphics chips, at least it seems to solve them for me
[00:45]  * wgrant disappears for a while.
[00:45]  * aprilhare has drawn up a list from the startup items of both accounts: 'AccuWeather.com Stratus'; Compiz Fusion Icon; lvman; Skype; (missing Tracker Applet, Tracker); Ubuntu One.
[00:46] <Jordan_U> drbobb: Does it fix the problem with white lines across the screen?
[00:46] <drbobb> Jordan_U: yeah seems to solve that one for me
[00:46] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, could be adobe air
[00:46] <drbobb> I just watched through a movie, fullscreen - no artefacts
[00:46] <Jordan_U> drbobb: What ppa?
[00:46] <drbobb> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/drivers-only/+packages
[00:46]  * Jordan_U gets exited
[00:47] <hipitihop> wgrant: most entries are deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main restricted so is that the main mirror ?
[00:47] <meanburrito920_> what is the current version of the linux kernel that should be installed? because I'm on .14, but I see that there are also .15, .28, etc out
[00:47] <bjsnider> i'd like to know why the banshee ppa isn't producing updated banshee builds for jaunty and earlier
[00:47]  * aprilhare votes for adobe air and disables the adobe air application on startup (shame; gives great weather detail)
[00:47] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, which applet is that?
[00:48] <aprilhare> AccuWeather.com
[00:48] <drbobb> Jordan_U: btw, [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter here
[00:48] <TuTUXG> sweet trying it now
[00:48] <aprilhare> weather applet
[00:48] <aprilhare> i remember that adobe air uses flash
[00:48] <aprilhare> could multiple versions of flash interfere with each other?
[00:49] <aprilhare> cause that definitely would cause crashes.
[00:49] <Jordan_U> drbobb: Exactly the same as me
[00:49] <drbobb> as per lspci of course
[00:49] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, how come you are using multiple version of flash?
[00:50] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: as i said, adobe air uses flash
[00:50] <aprilhare> its own ver of flash
[00:50] <penguin42> in my experience flash doesn't need multiple versions to crash
[00:50] <bjsnider> aprilhare, unquestionably that is what would happen
[00:50] <TuTUXG> i thought they just use the same flash library
[00:50] <aprilhare> what do you know, balloonboygame.com doesn't crash
[00:50] <TuTUXG> penguin42, good point
[00:50] <Jordan_U> drbobb: I was beggining to think the sis driver would never be fixed, nice to know it's still being worked on upstream
[00:51] <aprilhare> penguin42: apparently it helps it do moar crashing
[00:51] <georgy> anyone using gnome-shell in here?
[00:52] <drbobb> Jordan_U: not that I know anything about coding drivers, but I believe it must have been some simple incompatibility intriduced by newer xorg versions - possibly easy for an expert to fix, once it got an expert's attention
[00:52] <aprilhare> yay sorted problem for now!
[00:52] <aprilhare> what happens when karmic drop bear gets released to this channel?
[00:53] <aprilhare> cause its a couple of days
[00:53] <drbobb> anyway I can now contemplate switching to karmic all the way
[00:53] <hipitihop> wgrant: ok software sources says main server
[00:53] <aprilhare> drbobb: i still want my webcam to work
[00:53] <TuTUXG> this will be the one for Lucid Lynx
[00:54] <camillem> Hi. Trying a fresh install of karmic RC but installation hangs at step 2 (choosing time ) The PC (vaio) had no pb under Jaunty. Anybody has an idea ?
[00:55] <Jordan_U> camillem: Can you please file a bug report from the LiveCD with "ubuntu-bug ubiquity-gtk" ?
[00:56] <TuTUXG> why ubuntu one has to be tied with network manager?
[00:56] <hipitihop> Jordan_U: so if I do have main server in sources it is unlikely the mirror ? so should I do dist-upgrade ?
[00:56] <georgy> if anyone uses gnome-shell.. is your alt+tab broken?
[00:57] <Jordan_U> hipitihop: It's probably that packages are being held back, so dist-upgrade should offer updates
[00:57] <camillem> Jordan_U: Thanks, I'll do that
[00:58] <WL_> I can't connect to my wireless network in 9.10 im using WPA2, but it works if i turn the encryption off
[00:58] <Jordan_U> camillem: np
[00:58] <hipitihop> Jordan_U: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade did not mention anything held back
[00:59] <DanaG> georgy: I was just noticing that gnome-shell alt-tab brokenness when I tried gnome-shell for about 1 minute, today.
[00:59] <georgy> lol, nice
[00:59] <DanaG> It's rather roken -- you sometimes have to alt-tabtab to get anywhere.
[00:59] <georgy> I'm almost 100% it worked when it was first installed
[01:00] <georgy> I see
[01:01] <georgy> oh well ^_^ gotta wait for a update i guess
[01:01] <TuTUXG> will gnome-shell shipped as default with karmic?
[01:02] <oorah> there's still a major bug and i'm questioning if it will be fixed before the release lol
[01:02] <bjsnider> no
[01:02] <bjsnider> TuTUXG, it will with 10.04
[01:02] <oorah> my screen flickers for a while at startup and when i adjust brightness
[01:02] <oorah> the brightness flickers i mean
[01:03] <TuTUXG> bjsnider, ill switch back to gnome when it's gnome 3
[01:03] <WL_> does anyone have any ideas about the wireless, i appreciate any help
[01:03] <bjsnider> TuTUXG, no you won't
[01:03] <TuTUXG> bjsnider, lol
[01:03] <TuTUXG> bjsnider, why so?
[01:03] <bjsnider> it will not be available
[01:04] <bjsnider> there's no turning back
[01:04] <TuTUXG> with 10.04?
[01:04] <georgy> TuTUXG what do you use now?
[01:04] <bjsnider> gnome 3
[01:04] <TuTUXG> kde4...
[01:04] <oorah> anyone know if this flickering bug will be fixed?
[01:04] <georgy> oh, I see
[01:04] <bjsnider> no more gnome-panel after gnome 2.28
[01:04] <georgy> I think if I find gnome is a pain in my balls i'll check out xfce first
[01:05] <TuTUXG> that's what i meant, i will switch back to gnome when gnome-panel is gone and gnome-shell gets mature enough
[01:05] <clusty> hey
[01:05] <georgy> gnome-shell + gnome-do = pretty sweet
[01:05] <TuTUXG> exactly
[01:06] <clusty> i was wondeirng if i should do something first before i file a bug report:
[01:06] <oorah> whats gnome-shell?
[01:06] <georgy> I found it kinda silly that gnome-shell didn't come with a dock like docky for gnome-do though
[01:06] <oorah> i filed a bug report over a week ago and it still ain't fixed
[01:06] <georgy> you NEED a panel for the programs that are open imo
[01:06] <clusty> ever since i updated to karmic totem and any any player that uses GPU movie playback screws up colors
[01:06] <clusty> as in reb->cyan
[01:06] <clusty> red*
[01:07] <TuTUXG> georgy, you mean a task-manager?
[01:07] <georgy> yeah, whatever you wanna call it
[01:07] <bjsnider> georgy, all desktops are combined into one view, so you don't need the panel
[01:07] <hipitihop> Jordan_U: dist-upgrade also nothing upgraded
[01:08] <TuTUXG> georgy, a dock could do that
[01:08] <georgy> here is what gnome-shell is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32zkq1wHk6Q
[01:08] <georgy> yeah, that's why i use docky from gnome-do
[01:08] <DanaG> KDE4 is bulky.
[01:08] <DanaG> Really physically large.
[01:08] <georgy> bjsnider: that is really annoying for me i rather have both
[01:08] <DanaG> It makes 15.4", 1920x1200 feel like 12", 1280x800.
[01:08] <bjsnider> DanaG, you mean its ram footprint?
[01:08] <DanaG> No, that's a different word: "bloat"
[01:08] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:08] <DanaG> bloat != bulk.  At least in how I use them.
[01:09] <georgy> like what if the user doesn't want to view all of the desktops each time they want to switch to a different program?
[01:09] <clusty> what about lard ass-y?
[01:09] <clusty> what is that?
[01:09] <georgy> kind of annoying
[01:09] <bjsnider> can't you change the k whatever it's called size?
[01:09] <DanaG> Or "chunky".
[01:09] <TuTUXG> georgy, use alt+tab
[01:09] <DanaG> I also just don't like the way gnome-shell seems to be trying to do things.
[01:09] <georgy> it's broken
[01:09] <georgy> lol
[01:09] <DanaG> It feels wrong.
[01:09] <oorah> anyone know if this flickering bug will be fixed?
[01:10] <georgy> no idea oorah
[01:10] <oorah> anyone else having problems with brightness flickering?
[01:10] <georgy> also yeah alt+tab = broke
[01:10] <aprilhare> is this bug report ok? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[01:10] <oorah> i may stick with 9.04
[01:10] <georgy> I am not oorah
[01:10] <TuTUXG> DanaG, so you dont like kde4 or gnome-shell
[01:10] <clusty> so anybody has a clue about my video player issue?
[01:11] <georgy> no idea clusty, have you tried a different video program?
[01:11] <oorah> i tried kde4, i hated it more than windows desktop lol
[01:11] <georgy> vlc >
[01:11] <clusty> georgy: yes. is not program. is output "mode"
[01:11] <clusty> X11 works
[01:11] <DanaG>  Win7 > KDE4.
[01:11] <georgy> :\
[01:11] <clusty> georgy: now i use vlc with x11 output
[01:11] <georgy> i have no idea
[01:11] <TuTUXG> that's bias
[01:11] <DanaG> If Gnome were legos, KDE4 would be duplos.  In terms of size, I mean.
[01:12] <clusty> georgy: vlc with openGL is same shit as totem (which cannot change modes)
[01:12] <bjsnider> DanaG, couldn't you just reduice the size of the bulky items?
[01:12] <TuTUXG> back to e17
[01:12] <georgy> that sucks clusty :|
[01:12] <clusty> georgy: any clue which package should i report to?
[01:12] <georgy> no idea
[01:12] <clusty> hope to god is not new nvidia drivers
[01:12] <DanaG> I'm just gonna' go to xfce when gnome3 rolls around.
[01:13] <georgy> i was just gonna say drivers
[01:13] <clusty> cause then i am SOL
[01:13] <georgy> I'm a nob though don't listen to me
[01:13] <georgy> I wonder if anyone else with the same setup as you has had the same problem
[01:14] <clusty> georgy: what is your problem again?
[01:14] <bjsnider> clusty, what is the problem, in detail
[01:14] <aprilhare> ok; lets try and clean off my karmic install. - whenever i login, for whatever reason compiz doesn't start up. how do i get it to start on startup?
[01:14] <georgy> oh, just that alt+tab is not working for me in gnome-shell
[01:14] <penguin42> georgy: Try another tab
[01:15] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:15] <georgy> neither does world of war craft
[01:15] <penguin42> georgy: i.e. alt+tab+tab
[01:15] <georgy> nope doesn't work
[01:15] <clusty> bjsnider: so: VLC with default video output (any video) displays stuff with messed up collors
[01:15] <clusty> bjsnider: red becomes cyan
[01:16] <clusty> if i chose x11 output all is goos
[01:16] <clusty> d
[01:16] <bjsnider> clusty, red and blue are reversed?
[01:16] <DanaG> hmm, what video card?
[01:16] <clusty> seems so
[01:16] <clusty> lemme finish: this is not vlc problem
[01:16] <bjsnider> known codec issue
[01:16] <clusty> cause totem has this issue
[01:16] <clusty> and cannot change mode
[01:16] <bjsnider> clusty, what graphics card?
[01:16] <clusty> so my video card is nvidia 275
[01:17] <bjsnider> gtx 275?
[01:17] <wgrant> The Blob does that sometimes.
[01:17] <clusty> i think so. lemme check what lspci has to say
[01:17] <bjsnider> wgrant, he should be using vdpau anyway
[01:17] <aprilhare> i'm not the only person with problems starting compiz on startup, apparently it goes back a fair way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=770734
[01:18] <clusty> bjsnider: yes gtx 275
[01:18] <bjsnider> clusty, do not use vlc anymore. install gnome-mplayer or smplayer. switch video output driver to vdpau
[01:18] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, i had that problem with jaunty, then i switched to karmic fusion-icon does the trick, but now i don't use compiz
[01:19] <aprilhare> i have fusion-icon - its selected but doesn't really start it
[01:19] <clusty> bjsnider: i am happy with vlc, but i like totem better. is not a problem finding some whatever player that works
[01:19] <aprilhare> still the same old problem
[01:19] <aprilhare> never fixed..
[01:19] <DanaG> Have you tried mplayer instead of vlc?
[01:19] <clusty> nope
[01:19] <DanaG> vlc rather miserably fails at subtitles -- for me, that's a showstopper.
[01:19] <clusty> lemme get it
[01:20] <DanaG> An entirely different issue, though.
[01:20] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, try to set it in gnome-appearance-properties
[01:20] <DanaG> !info gnome-mplayer
[01:20] <bjsnider> clusty, i don't believe it. you're saying you wantt o keep using vlc?
[01:20] <clusty> bjsnider: for now yes. till totem is fixed
[01:20] <DanaG> Actually, it doesn't "fail" at styled subtitles... it just doesn't even try!
[01:20] <bjsnider> clusty, do you know what vdpau is?
[01:20] <bjsnider> never mind. forget it
[01:20] <clusty> nope
[01:21] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: i did that before. preference doesn't stick.
[01:21] <aprilhare> will do again
[01:21] <clusty> new Nvidia API
[01:21] <clusty> :D
[01:21] <clusty> :D
[01:21] <clusty> google is your friend
[01:21] <oorah> if there's old bugs still not fixed does that mean they probably won't be?
[01:22] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, change the effect to maximum in appearance settings, then startup with fusion-icon
[01:22] <oorah> haven't seen a version with a bug this bad since 2006 when i had no sound
[01:22] <DanaG> "change to maximum" -- bad advice, that'll trample on existing settings!
[01:22] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: ok. but i was already doing that. still am.
[01:22] <aprilhare> brb
[01:22] <DanaG> Install simple-ccsm, and tell it to use "custom".
[01:22] <DanaG> It is lame that installing regular ccsm doesn't make "custom" show up!
[01:23] <TuTUXG> DanaG, just run it with alt-f2...
[01:23] <DanaG> Does it remember what you last used?
[01:23] <clusty> bjsnider: vdpau works just fine
[01:23] <aprilhare> DanaG: ccsm?
[01:23] <DanaG> No, the gnome desktop-effects thing.
[01:24] <DanaG> If you want it to auto-load, you have to set it to "custom", don't you?
[01:24] <georgy> #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org  = quietest fucking channel ever
[01:24] <apoc_> Why can't I find the ttf-bitstream-vera package?
[01:24] <georgy> lul
[01:24] <TuTUXG> georgy, lol
[01:24] <bazhang> georgy, watch the language please
[01:24] <aprilhare> DanaG: i'm not sure to tell you the truth.
[01:24] <georgy> oh, i'll try bazhang
[01:25] <TuTUXG> georgy, yea, do that
[01:25] <aprilhare> brb logging out to test
[01:25] <georgy> oh i will hawtstuff o.o
[01:25] <wgrant> apoc_: It was replaced by ttf-dejavu
[01:25] <clusty> life is soo boring when you take swears away form it
[01:25] <spaceBARbarian> is karmic 64bit stable enough for personal use yet ?
[01:25] <georgy> yeah, communism is bad kids
[01:25] <wgrant> clusty: That may be, but it also makes this channel more family friendly.
[01:25] <georgy> spaceBAR, yesh it is in my opinion
[01:26] <TuTUXG> spaceBARbarian, it's ok here
[01:26] <georgy> yeah*
[01:26] <apoc_> wgrant: Does it contain the same font?
[01:26] <clusty> i realize. that is why i am abstaining
[01:26] <spaceBARbarian> aite gonna give it a try then
[01:26] <georgy> good luck space
[01:26] <aprilhare> re
[01:26] <aprilhare> logged out, logged back in, preferences disappeared.
[01:26] <aprilhare> no compiz
[01:27] <TuTUXG> ...
[01:27] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, how about try it with your test account?
[01:27] <aprilhare> in appearance properties - visual effects it is switched back to None
[01:27] <aprilhare> ok brb
[01:28] <wgrant> apoc_: ttf-dejavu is an improved derivative of ttf-bitstream-vera.
[01:28] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: test account its working
[01:28] <wgrant> So they should be very similar.
[01:28] <apoc_> wgrant, Ok, thanks
[01:28] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, um...
[01:28] <aprilhare> could compiz fusion icon thingy be interfering
[01:28] <Omen20> hi does anyone know if the add-apt-repository is only for launchpad PPAs?
[01:29] <TuTUXG> could be
[01:29] <aprilhare> ok
[01:29] <aprilhare> removing compiz fusion icon thingy.. :)
[01:29] <TuTUXG> just disable it from start up
[01:30] <aprilhare> hang on brb
[01:30] <Omen20> could i use the command for say http://linux.getdropbox.com/ubuntu ?
[01:31] <oorah> if there's old bugs still not fixed does that mean they probably won't be?
[01:31] <wgrant> Omen20: Let me check the code.
[01:31] <TuTUXG> oorah, check the comments
[01:31] <wgrant> oorah: Bugs could still be fixed in universe if the fix isn't too invasive.
[01:31] <Omen20> wgrant, thanks
[01:32] <wgrant> main is very, very frozen.
[01:32] <TuTUXG> oorah, apparently bug#1 is pretty old and probably not going to get a fix in anytime soon
[01:32] <Omen20> wgrant, ?
[01:32] <oorah> which bug is #1?
[01:32] <TuTUXG> check it
[01:33] <TuTUXG> bug #1
[01:33] <sdg> Can I install Karmic on a USB HDD on one PC and then boot it on another PC?
[01:33] <TuTUXG> sdg, you sure can
[01:33] <aprilhare> yep confirmed compiz fusion icon is fail
[01:33] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, sweet
[01:33] <Omen20> sdg, some people do it on thumbdrives
[01:33] <wgrant> Omen20: You can use the command for that, but it won't automatically add the key.
[01:34] <sdg> Omen20: I don't have one of those. :(
[01:34] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: i'd prefer it to work personally :)
[01:34] <wgrant> sdg: You should be able to use System->Administration->USB Startup Disk Creator to do that.
[01:34] <Omen20> oh ok. so do you leave the "ppa:" in the command as in "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:globalmenu-team"
[01:34] <sdg> Omen20: They're too easy to break and lose...
[01:35] <sdg> wgrant: Roger that.
[01:35] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, i think compiz is just experiencing some hard time now
[01:35] <Omen20> sdg, yeah, I dont carry any physical storage anymore now that I use Dropbox.
[01:35] <TuTUXG> Dropbox could be slow with big stuff
[01:36] <aprilhare> erm is gnome do installed by default?
[01:36] <wgrant> Omen20: You can specify 'ppa:user/ppa' or a full 'deb http://some.mirror/path/to/repo release component1 component2'
[01:36] <wgrant> aprilhare: No.
[01:36] <aprilhare> might remove it then i never got on with gnome do
[01:36] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, there's a ppa for it
[01:37] <Omen20> Yes, but it's great for school and exported config files. I have my compiz settings, wallpapers, themes, etc on it and it keeps my pc and laptop identical.
[01:37] <aprilhare> TuTUXG: for compiz?
[01:37] <tanath> blah, compiz is really slow and hides my desktop >.<
[01:37] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, yea, and for gnome-do
[01:37] <oorah> what about the brightness flickering bug? is it likely to be fixed in the next few days?
[01:37] <wgrant> oorah: Does it have a bug report?
[01:37] <Jordan_U> sdg: I would do a regular install and just be sure to tell the installer to install grub to the USB drive rather than your internal ( it's under 'advanced' after you have configured partitions and are reviewing them )
[01:37] <tanath> never used to
[01:37] <oorah> wgrant, i reported it 2 weeks ago
[01:38] <wgrant> oorah: Number?
[01:38] <oorah> i didn't write it down
[01:38] <wgrant> oorah: Launchpad username?
[01:38] <oorah> the screen brightness flickers for a while after startup and a while after adjusting, or attempting to adjust brightness
[01:38] <sdg> Jordan_U: A live image is all I need.
[01:38] <oorah> i think its knuckle_brawler or hardcore_zaccour
[01:38] <TuTUXG> tanath, you probably have the wallpaper plugin turned on, turn it off will show your nautilus desktop
[01:39] <sdg> Jordan_U: I need to install Ubuntu Karmic on my laptop PC.
[01:39] <wgrant> sdg: I think the USB startup disk creator does what you want.
[01:39] <wgrant> sdg: That should allow you to install from it.
[01:39] <tanath> TuTUXG, actually, it does it either way
[01:39] <wgrant> sdg: There is also a Windows version, if you need itl
[01:39] <TuTUXG> tanath, that's weired
[01:39] <tanath> TuTUXG, i had it off, so i turned it on & configured it, but it's still just black with no icons
[01:39] <sdg> wgrant: Negative.
[01:39] <Jordan_U> wgrant: You can't do kernel upgrades and it's slower since it's compressed / using an overlay
[01:40] <oorah> hey yall i gotta go i'll be back to but yall with bug questions later lol ttyl
[01:40] <oorah> thanks
[01:40] <wgrant> sdg: Why not?
[01:40] <tanath> TuTUXG, but when i reload the WM i see my wallpaper briefly
[01:40] <sdg> wgrant: I don't use Windoze.
[01:40] <wgrant> Jordan_U: Very slightly slower.
[01:40] <wgrant> sdg: Oh, right.
[01:41] <sdg> I'm really worried that my music collection is going to grow too large to fit on my new 500 GB HDD.
[01:42] <soreau> Hi. I installed ubuntu and now I need my hw clock set to UTC. Can anyone tell me how to do that in ubuntu 9.10?
[01:43] <Jordan_U> soreau: It should be set to UTC by default
[01:43] <wgrant> Jordan_U: It will not set it to UTC if there are braindead operating systems (eg. Windows) cohabiting.
[01:45] <Jordan_U> wgrant: Ahh, didn't realize that
[01:45] <soreau> I think I need to edit either /etc/init.d/hwclock or /etc/init/hwclock.conf
[01:45] <wgrant> It's /etc/default/rcS, actually.
[01:45] <soreau> ok
[01:45] <wgrant> My initial guess was /etc/default/hwclock, but that doesn't exist.
[01:45] <soreau> Sweet, it was set to no
[01:45] <soreau> Thanks wgrant !
[01:45] <wgrant> Ah, if you look in /etc/init/hwclock.conf you can see that it does indeed use that file.
[01:46] <wgrant> soreau: np
[01:50] <reagleBRKLN> where is ndiswrapper on karmic?
[01:51] <reagleBRKLN> trying to get old wireless machine working, i've blacklisted the rtl858x drivers, but don't see ndiswrapper
[01:51] <ripps> reagleBRKLN: aptitude search ndis, ndisgtk looks like a good contender
[01:51] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, ndiswrapper-common or ndisgtk?
[01:52] <rabidweezle> hey, what's the name of that new messenger client karmic is using?
[01:52] <wgrant> rabidweezle: Empathy
[01:53] <rabidweezle> ahh, that's right, thanks :)
[01:53] <reagleBRKLN> ripps bazhang: updating my sources, because apt-search nor synaptic see those on my system
[01:54] <reagleBRKLN> huh, nor can I browse http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:54] <apoc_> ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-netbook-remix and desktop-switcher keep getting uninstalled. Is that good?
[01:54] <ripps> reagleBRKLN: then somethings is wrong with your sources, try changing to a different mirror
[01:54] <ripps> apoc_: probably not
[01:55] <apoc_> ripps, Any idea why?
[01:55] <DanaG> what's globalmenu-team?
[01:55] <wgrant> reagleBRKLN: packages.ubuntu.com is down at the moment.
[01:55] <TuTUXG> DanaG, it's a team for global menu
[01:56] <reagleBRKLN> would that affect my ndiswrapper search from apt-cache?
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> globalmenu is great
[01:56] <wgrant> Is that the OS X-like menu for GNOME?
[01:56] <ripps> apoc_: well, that would only happen if your dist-upgrading or doing a partial upgrade, either way, it probably means there's a broken package in the repo. Either wait or file a bug report
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> strips GTK apps of the menu and puts it on the gnome-panel instead
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> great space saver
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> unfortunately, Firefox doesn't work with it, or open office.
[01:57] <Cyberkilla> Really, it's their problem. They should be using native toolkits instead of reinventing the wheel with XUL. bloat
[01:57] <wgrant> Well, they're not really GTK.
[01:57] <wgrant> Right.
[01:57] <DanaG> Oh heck, there's even a gtk for Windows.
[01:57] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:57] <TuTUXG> it's open source
[01:57] <apoc_> ripps, Yes, I did just upgrade. I'll look around for problems
[01:58] <Cyberkilla> When is Karmic being released? 29th?
[01:58] <wgrant> Cyberkilla: Right.
[01:59] <ripps> apoc_: just so you know, if an upgrade is ever trying to remove ubuntu-desktop or similar packages, it probably means the package is broken and you shouldn't uprade, instead file a bug and wait for it to be fixed
[01:00] <apoc_> ripps, Ok, strange. Otherwise the upgrade seems to have worked fine
[01:00] <DanaG> hmm, global-menu ppa seems to lack any packages.
[01:00] <Cyberkilla> wgrant: Thanks:) I'm tired of waiting. I want to do a full reformat, repartition and reinstall this time. The unused Vista partition is eating 40GB and I need room to dump my music library:P
[01:01] <ripps> apoc_: ubuntu-deskto is simply a metapackage, meaning it doesn't actually contain any files to be installed, instead it creates a series of artificial dependencies that force installation of all the services and apps that make up the ubuntu desktop
[01:01] <robotti^> what is sitution of ubuntu?
[01:01] <wgrant> Cyberkilla: The RC is probably safe enough.
[01:01] <apoc_> ripps, Ok
[01:01] <Cyberkilla> wgrant: You have a point. I could probably risk it now.
[01:01] <robotti^> if I install Ubuntu RC can I updated it to final release version?
[01:02] <ripps> apoc_: without it, if any packages are added or removed from ubuntu-desktop, won't be automatically installed/removed anymore
[01:02] <wgrant> robotti^: Of course!
[01:02] <wgrant> robotti^: It will upgrade just fine.
[01:02] <ripps> !beta | robotti^
[01:02] <Cyberkilla> ripps: With regards to those dependencies... When you upgrade to Karmic or Lucid, it will upgrade ubuntu-desktop and the dependencies will pull in new applications.
[01:02]  * TuTUXG is quiting smoke...
[01:02] <Cyberkilla> ripps: Presumably, without keeping ubuntu-desktop installed, any new packages the latest Ubuntu release intends to give you will not be installed.
[01:03] <Blizzerand> Good for ya , TuTUXG
[01:03] <robotti^> wgrant: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:03] <robotti^> cool
[01:03] <apoc_> ripps, I added those packaged back, but I have to find out what keeps removing them
[01:03] <Cyberkilla> ripps: And installing ubuntu-desktop again will probably install those packages you wanted to get rid of in the first place (the ones that were a dependency of ubuntu-desktop and force it to be removed too).
[01:04] <Cyberkilla> ripps: Not an ideal setup:O.
[01:05] <ripps> Cyberkilla: well, if you don't want to use the ubuntu-desktop, I don't see the point of actually using ubuntu, why not just install debian and customize as you see fit.
[01:05] <wgrant> Cyberkilla: Most things that people like to get rid of are no longer strict dependencies of ubuntu-desktop.
[01:05] <TuTUXG> Blizzerand, thanks
[01:06] <Cyberkilla> ripps: I was just making a point. You can't, for instance, remove ubuntu's fancy new notifications by uninstalling the package.
[01:07] <ripps> Cyberkilla: yeah, it's better to just install gnome-stracciatella-session and use a plain vanilla gnome session
[01:08] <Cyberkilla> ripps: Interesting, I didn't know that was possible.
[01:08] <DanaG> Yeah, but unfortunately, g-p-m has a rather broken brightness control.
[01:08] <ripps> Cyberkilla: it's just the usual gnome session stripped of the ubuntu stuff
[01:08] <Cyberkilla> ripps: Another thing i've been made painfully aware of is that you can't reverse "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" any where near as easily as you can install it;-)
[01:09] <aprilhare> hmmm update-manager wants to install grub-common version 2 - is this grub2?..
[01:09]  * aprilhare feels touchy about upgrading grub
[01:09] <wgrant> aprilhare: It will probably install the package, but it shouldn't actually upgrade the one in the MBR.
[01:09] <thiebaude> aprilhare, did you do a fresh install?
[01:10] <wgrant> A deliberate decision.
[01:10] <aprilhare> thiebaude: no
[01:10] <Cyberkilla> I upgraded to GRUB2 yesterday. No problems so far! It's worth it. There is less console output at boot time.
[01:10] <aprilhare> ok will install
[01:10] <pwnguin> is there a guide on upgrading to karmic from a mirror?
[01:11] <wgrant> aprilhare: At this point of the release cycle, update-manager probably knows better than you.
[01:11] <wgrant> pwnguin: As in a non-official mirror?
[01:11] <pwnguin> wgrant: as in internet2
[01:11] <thiebaude> Cyberkilla, i did the fresh install and karmic is great
[01:11] <aprilhare> wgrant: paranoia is a healthy instinct at times :)
[01:11] <andril> hey now
[01:11] <Cyberkilla> : )
[01:11] <wgrant> pwnguin: Doesn't help much...
[01:12] <pwnguin> wgrant: i'd just fix up sources.list, but im not sure how the update manager handles it
[01:12] <maurer_> How do I turn on OTR in Empathy?
[01:12] <wgrant> pwnguin: If you're using an official mirror, it should just do it. If it's an unofficial one, the graphical update-manager will cry.
[01:12] <andril> anyone having issues with 9.10?
[01:12] <pwnguin> wgrant: i dont know if there's an official mirror on i2
[01:12] <wgrant> I think the commandline one will allow you to tell it that you know better, though.
[01:13] <wgrant> maurer_: It does not yet support it.
[01:13] <Cyberkilla> pwnguin: Can't you just change it in SoftWare Sources?
[01:13] <thiebaude> andril, no problems here
[01:13] <Cyberkilla> pwnguin: System/Administration/Software Sources -> Download from:
[01:13] <pwnguin> Cyberkilla: that should be identical to changing sourcses.list
[01:14] <pwnguin> thanks, but i really do know most of what im doing.
[01:14] <Cyberkilla> pwnguin: Yes, but easier:) Perhaps I missed a few lines of the convo.
[01:14] <pwnguin> Cyberkilla: specifically, you missed the line where wgrant points out the upgrade manager will probably fail if you do that
[01:15] <maurer_> wgrant: Then why is pidgin no longer default?
[01:15] <wgrant> maurer_: Probably because Empathy is more promising, and only some tiny, tiny fraction of Ubuntu users use OTR.
[01:15] <andril> thiebaude: thanks 5 day to go
[01:16] <ripps> maurer_: because empathy is more cooperative and is default for gnome, most of the extra features that pidgin provides are needed by the majority of im users
[01:16] <wgrant> maurer_: Note that you can easily install Pidgin.
[01:16] <pwnguin> maurer_: 1) OTR is like a miniscule fraction of IM users. 2) video chat
[01:16]  * DanaG uses IRC... and Empathy sucks at that.
[01:16] <thiebaude> andersk, np, yep
[01:16] <eitreach_> Can someone tell me if mouse gestures in Compiz are gone for good?
[01:16] <wgrant> All generic IM clients suck at IRC.
[01:16] <pwnguin> DanaG: pidgin does too. irssi ftw
[01:16] <ripps> *not needed
[01:16] <DanaG> Pidgin + irchelper == yay.
[01:16] <DanaG> And when I first started Empathy, it didn't even seem to OFFER IRC!
[01:17] <Cyberkilla> DanaG: Pidgin sucks at IRC too:P The only client can stomach is IRSSI:-)
[01:17] <DanaG> Try the first-run wizard... IRC is not available!
[01:17] <thiebaude> i just use simple xchat
[01:17] <Cyberkilla> DanaG: If Empathy's IRC is worse than Pidgin's, it really must be bad.
[01:17] <DanaG> Yeah, there's no way to get rid of the nickserv-type stuff, at least from what I saw.
[01:18] <TuTUXG> i luv xchat
[01:18] <Cyberkilla> I don't like the way xchat forces you to pick a host from a list when you open it.
[01:18] <TuTUXG> my friend once asked me when he shaw that icon, "what's xchat? porn chat?"
[01:18] <Cyberkilla> I'd much rather type /connect irc.ubuntu.net, etc, myself.
[01:19] <Cyberkilla> You basically have to connect to a server in the list before you can connect to one that isn't.
[01:19] <thiebaude> Cyberkilla, exactly
[01:23] <ripps> irssi is the best irc client, even better when used with screen, I can call it and detach and let it run in the background using up next to 0 cpu and memory
[01:24] <thiebaude> ripps, i think i might install it
[01:24] <Cyberkilla> Ever seen byobu? It is like screen, but a tiny bit more visual. I noticed it recently after an update.
[01:24] <wgrant> +1 for issi-awesomeness.
[01:24] <robotti^> Ubuntu Linux is exciting
[01:24] <ripps> even better, if my X crashes, I can still get help online, because irssi doesn't requere a gui
[01:24] <DanaG> !info finch
[01:24] <wgrant> Cyberkilla: byobu is a set of profiles for screen.
[01:24] <DanaG> that's what I use.
[01:24] <thiebaude> ripps, thats true
[01:24] <robotti^> you never know if your machine boot :(
[01:24] <wgrant> Cyberkilla: It *is* screen, just with some settings changed.
[01:25] <wgrant> robotti^: Why is yours not booting?
[01:25] <robotti^> I activated nvidia drivers and screen only flicks on boot
[01:25] <robotti^> And I cannot do nothing
[01:25] <wgrant> Ah. Good old proprietary drivers.
[01:25] <aprilhare> brb
[01:25] <thiebaude> robotti^, did you save your resolution as root?
[01:26] <Jeruvy> ripps: good point, but that doesn't happen very often.  I personally think the idea of opening screens with a bash shell, well very '80's-ish.
[01:26] <Cyberkilla> wgrant: Oh, I thought it *used* screen. I didn't realise it was the same thing. Still, very interesting. I like commandline applications.
[01:26] <robotti^> Now I am re-installing ubuntu
[01:26] <robotti^> thiebaude: I have not do nothing
[01:26] <robotti^> I just activated
[01:26] <robotti^> and console flicker on boot
[01:26] <robotti^> and nothing happens
[01:26] <robotti^> :D
[01:26] <thiebaude> robotti^, sudo nvidia-settings
[01:26] <robotti^> no x
[01:27] <robotti^> I cannot do
[01:27] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[01:27] <robotti^> If I canno log in
[01:27] <ripps> Jeruvy: you kidding, I spend more than 40% of my day dinking around the commandline, I only leave it when I watch to watch some anime or surf the internet
[01:27] <robotti^> it flickers, and I cannot write text on console, some of letters were gone, when writing
[01:27] <robotti^> impossible to write my password :D
[01:28] <ripps> robotti^: your flooding the channel, don't use enter a punctuation
[01:28] <thiebaude> brb
[01:28] <robotti^> ripps: I am not using enter as punctution. New sentences just flood to mind after I write those lines
[01:28] <robotti^> I am not used to write english.
[01:29] <Cyberkilla> :-)
[01:29] <ripps> robotti^: just reminding you, try not to type multiple lines, especially in a busy channel, it's poor irc netiquette
[01:29] <hipitihop> while running ubuntu-bug, it reports various packages like dbus, dbus-x11, libblkid1 and others as being obsolete, but apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade do nothing and nothing seems to be kept back... what do I do ?
[01:29] <robotti^> ripps: I know :)
[01:29] <wgrant> hipitihop: Did you change to the main mirror?
[01:30] <robotti^> ripps: And I am sorry for that.
[01:30] <thiebaude> ripps: i do i scroll up in irssi?
[01:30] <hipitihop> wgrant: already was set at "Main Server"
[01:30] <ripps> thiebaude: page up/page down
[01:30] <wgrant> hipitihop: Hmmm.
[01:30] <thiebaude> ripps: thanks
[01:30] <wgrant> hipitihop: That's a bit strange. Those were updated in the past 24 hours or so.
[01:31] <hipitihop> wgrant: grant does "Main Server" still go via mirrors dependinding on my location ?
[01:31] <wgrant> hipitihop: Which version does 'apt-cache policy dbus' say you have installed?
[01:31] <ripps> thiebaude: there's hundreds of little scripts you can use to enhance irssi, google around a bit. I think there's a package you can install that will give you access to the best ones.
[01:31] <wgrant> hipitihop: No, it should always go to the same server in the UK. However, it's possible there is a proxy between you and that server.
[01:31] <thiebaude> ripps: ok, will do
[01:31] <dholbert> lfaraone, FWIW, looks like hibernate still doesn't work with encrypted swap :(
[01:31] <Cyberkilla> I use irssi-xmpp. It is a jabber plug-in for irssi! Works grain:D
[01:31] <hipitihop> wgrant: 1.2.16-0ubuntu9 0
[01:31] <evant8950> hi, I am having a problem with wireless in 9.10, I can't connect to a network with security, I am wondering if there is a fix?  thanks
[01:32]  * thiebaude now time to install opendns
[01:32] <lfaraone> dholbert: ah, mk.
[01:32] <Cyberkilla> You just type /load xmpp /xmppconnect JID PASS /join room@host/nick
[01:32] <Cyberkilla> :P
[01:32] <dholbert> lfaraone, I hibernated, and then when I turned on my computer, it just booted up normally (didn't resume from the hibernate)
[01:32] <Cyberkilla> *great, not grain. Damn, that's one heck of a typo.
[01:32] <robotti^> dholbert: Maybe it reads session key from swap, and it cannot, because it is encrypted.
[01:33] <wgrant> hipitihop: So it says 'Installed: 1.2.16-0ubuntu9'?
[01:33] <dholbert> robotti^, right -- that's the general issue.  There was noise to the effect that it was going to be "fixed" in karmic, though
[01:33] <wgrant> dholbert: The default for encrypted swap is to use a random key. Is yours not done like that?
[01:33] <dholbert> wgrant, no idea
[01:33] <dholbert> wgrant, I just did an ubuntu 9.10 rc install with encrypted home directory selected
[01:33] <robotti^> dholbert: therefore It cannot open encrypted file systems.
[01:33] <Cyberkilla> thiebaude: opendns isn't so open. Isn't that the thing which now sends you to an advert-filled page when you get a 404? Naughty intercepting http responses.
[01:34] <thiebaude> Cyberkilla: yea, i seen that
[01:34] <ripps> wgrant: if you installed encryptfs during intrepid or earlier, you probably setup a manual encryption key, not a random one
[01:34] <ripps> that encryption key is carried over, even when upgrading ubuntu
[01:35] <thiebaude> Cyberkilla: but.. it makes my internet speed faster
[01:35] <wgrant> ripps: I don't see how it can automatically set up encrypted swap with a non-random key.
[01:35] <wgrant> ripps: Because that key would have to be reentered on boot.
[01:35] <dholbert> wgrant, the fresh encrypted-home-directory install seems to have gotten me an already-encrypted swap partition (at least, ecryptfs-setup-swap said my swap was already encrypted)  but I don't know what key it's using
[01:35] <wgrant> ripps: (if only ~ is encrypted)
[01:36] <robotti^> Cyberkilla: opendns.fi is much nicer
[01:36] <robotti^> finnish opendns
[01:36] <robotti^> I think it is better
[01:36] <robotti^> :)
[01:37] <ripps> meh, After I installed 1 gig ram, I just turned of my swap by changing vm.swappiness to 0, now my system will use only ram, except under extreme circumstances.
[01:37] <Jordan_U> wgrant: Swap key is randomly generated each boot
[01:38] <Jordan_U> wgrant: Nvm, seems you knew that :)
[01:38] <hipitihop> wgrant: actually struggling to find installed in the output at all... must be blind, standby
[01:38] <wolter> hi, could somebody please upload usb-creator.exe to mediafire?
[01:38] <wgrant> Jordan_U: Right, which means that resuming from hibernate is impossible.
[01:39] <thiebaude> .exe
[01:39] <hipitihop> wgrant: yes .. Installed: 1.2.16-0ubuntu9
[01:39] <hipitihop>   Candidate: 1.2.16-0ubuntu9
[01:39] <hipitihop>   Version table:*** 1.2.16-0ubuntu9 0
[01:39] <hipitihop> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[01:39] <hipitihop> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:39] <ripps> if your on a desktop, it's probably not worth it to use encryption, just unnecesary overhead. However, if your using a laptop or other mobile, it's probably a good idea to use encryption
[01:39] <wgrant> hipitihop: Hm. That is the latest version.
[01:40] <robotti^> I think it is always good idea to use encryption
[01:40] <hipitihop> wgrant: what does ubuntu-bug go on then ?
[01:40] <dholbert> wgrant, I'm confused -- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-encrypted-swap-as-an-option seems to suggest that hibernate wouldn't be impossible
[01:40] <wolter> thiebaude, yes
[01:40] <wolter> .exe
[01:41] <wolter> thiebaude, its supposedly included in the karmic cs
[01:41] <wolter> d
[01:41] <wolter> but it is not there
[01:41] <dholbert> wgrant, in particular, see the last line of the summary: "The primary development item around this specification will be ensuring that hibernate-to-disk and resume-from-hibernate continue to operate as expected."
[01:42] <thiebaude> wolter: i dont know anything about it
[01:42] <ripps> dholbert: I don't think hibernate and encrypted swap work yet, it's beening worked on, but don't think it works yet
[01:42] <wolter> thiebaude, oh
[01:42] <wolter> does anybody know about usb-creator.exe?
[01:42] <dholbert> ripps, ok, thanks
[01:43] <darthanubis> .exe?
[01:43] <ripps> dholbert: suspend should still work though
[01:43] <wgrant> Suspend works fine.
[01:43] <Kano> hi, should samba access work out of the box or not?
[01:43] <dholbert> yup, it does
[01:43] <wgrant> Hibernate does not, and cannot easily.
[01:43] <wgrant> Kano: Yes.
[01:43] <Kano> well it does not
[01:43] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody else dislike Empathy's UI?
[01:43] <wgrant> Kano: What goes wrong?
[01:43] <dholbert> Does anyone know how to disable hibernate?
[01:43] <wgrant> GodfatherofEire: Yes.
[01:43] <thiebaude> GodfatherofEire: yea
[01:43] <dholbert> There was a way to disable it in gconf-editor in Jaunty, but that doesn't work in Karmic
[01:43] <thiebaude> GodfatherofEire: i use irssi
[01:43] <robotti^> GodfatherofEire: yes
[01:43] <GodfatherofEire> Glad I'm not the only one
[01:43] <Kano> it shows workgroup but not then an error
[01:43] <darthanubis> GodfatherofEire, I don't bother with it. It is dog ugly
[01:43] <ripps> GodfatherofEire: meh, I don't mind, but I don't use IM that much...
[01:43] <robotti^> thiebaude: me too
[01:44] <GodfatherofEire> Who's call was it to replace pidgin with it anyway?
[01:44] <thiebaude> cool
[01:44] <wgrant> dholbert: Hm, so unsetting /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/can_hibernate (I think?) doesn't work?
[01:44] <dholbert> wgrant, correct
[01:44] <darthanubis> GodfatherofEire, Ubuntu's who elses
[01:44] <wgrant> GodfatherofEire: Canonical's Ubuntu Desktop team, I believe.
[01:44] <dholbert> wgrant, (have confirmed this on multiple machines)
[01:44] <hipitihop> does anyone know on what basis ubuntu-bug  reports obsolete packages ?
[01:44] <ripps> darthanubis GodfatherofEire: Empathy is the official Gnome IM client
[01:44] <Pilif12p> It says i need to close all docs and apps to update to 9.10 RC. can i leave chatzilla open, or not?
[01:44] <wgrant> GodfatherofEire: Empathy will eventually be a much better replacement for Pidgin, but I don't think it's quite there yet.
[01:45] <darthanubis> whatever
[01:45] <wgrant> Pilif12p: You can. Firefox might just get a bit cranky with you later.
[01:45] <Pilif12p> pff.
[01:45] <GodfatherofEire> At the moment, the boxy way it displays is just... ugh...
[01:45] <wgrant> But a restart of Firefox should fix it.
[01:45] <Pilif12p> firefox? Why would i use that with chatzilla? Xulrunner ftw!
[01:45] <Pilif12p> I crash firefox too much to have it as an addon
[01:45] <Pilif12p> even ask mzz
[01:45] <ripps> As typical for gnu/linux distro users, we're being used to test and debug empathy so that it will be better.
[01:45] <dholbert> wgrant, (though that pref worked in jaunty)
[01:46] <wgrant> ripps: I think this is worse than typical...
[01:46] <GodfatherofEire> agreed
[01:46] <wgrant> dholbert: What still lets you hibernate? The key combination? The menu in the top right? GDM?
[01:47] <jimpop> darthanubis, you like gaim too?
[01:47] <wolter> does somebody have the ubuntu network remix cd image for karmic?
[01:47] <Pilif12p> dholbert: same one from moznet?
[01:47] <ripps> I don't see what the gripe with empathy is. It does everything I want an IM client to do, and it does it well. OTR and other things are more intended for powerusers and they can install pidgin
[01:47] <dholbert> wgrant, if I choose "Shut Down" from main Gnome menu, or press my power button, it gives me the  "shut down the computer" dialog
[01:47] <dholbert> wgrant, which includes "hibernate" as an option
[01:47] <wgrant> ripps: It crashes (although the bug in the indicator patch was identified two days ago!). It does not support MSNP file transfers.
[01:47] <thiebaude> how do i change the 24 hr timestamp to 12 hr in irssi?
[01:47] <wgrant> It is ugly.
[01:48] <thiebaude> beside the persons name
[01:48] <jimpop> ripps, E is like using an oceanliner when all you need is a small boat to cross the channel
[01:48] <wgrant> thiebaude: I don't know, but why would you want to do that?
[01:48] <ripps> wgrant: my empathy hasn't crashed on me in months...
[01:48] <dholbert> wgrant, (whereas in jaunty, disabling that gconf key would remove that option from the same dialog)
[01:48]  * Jordan_U thought shut down from gnome menu was disabled
[01:48] <wgrant> ripps: Not using the indicator-applet integration?
[01:48] <ripps> wgrant: yes, with indicator applet
[01:48] <dholbert> Jordan_U, only if you have user-switcher app on your gnome-panel
[01:48] <thiebaude> wgrant: i know military time but just use to the regular time
[01:48] <jimpop> nobody ever got anywhere by making one thing that tried to do everything for everyone
[01:48] <darthanubis> jimpop, pidgin, yes
[01:48] <dholbert> Jordan_U, if you remove user-switcher applet, shutdown reappears in main gnome  menu
[01:48] <wgrant> ripps: Open a conversation window, and receive a message in it. Close the conversation window. Reopen it. Send a message.
[01:48] <jimpop> darthanubis, me too
[01:48] <wgrant> Crash.
[01:50] <ripps> Jordan_U dholbert: fast-user-switch-applet has been replaced with the indicator-session-applet
[01:50] <dholbert> regardless, if you remove that applet, shutdown reappears in gnome-menu
[01:50] <dholbert> (which is good)
[01:50] <ripps> When indicator-session-applet is enabled, shutdown disappears fromt he system menu
[01:51] <dholbert> right, that's what I've been saying
[01:51] <dholbert> wgrant, I've just confirmed that "hibernate" is still available in the top-right user-switcher applet (whatever it's called), on a different machine where I hadn't removed that applet
[01:51] <dholbert> (and I've disabled that gconf key on that machine, and I've rebooted since I disabled the key, if that matters)
[01:52] <robotti^> Cool, my usb wlan is working
[01:52] <dholbert> wgrant, [and if I select "hibernate", it does actually hibernate]
[01:52] <wgrant> Bug #432598
[01:52] <robotti^> a-link g-wifi
[01:52] <dholbert> nice, thanks!
[01:56]  * Pilif12p laughs
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> testing..
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, irc works yet firefox says "looking up" on every site. odd.
[01:56] <Cyberkilla> brb
[01:56] <ripps> Hmm... I'm going to d/l a kubuntu livecd and try it out before I install kubuntu-desktop alonside my ubuntu-desktop
[01:58] <Cyberkilla> Kubuntu is pretty. Unfortunately, 100% of the programs I use often are GTK
[01:58] <Cyberkilla> :D
[02:03] <leandrodeassis> anyone here have problem with auto load subtitles in totem?
[02:10] <Bigshot_> will multitouch work outof the box in tx2z ?
[02:11] <Bigshot_> anyone?
[02:13] <Bigshot_> multitouch will work in laptop? with the latest kernel that come with karmic?
[02:14] <jimpop> Bigshot_, multitouch?
[02:14] <Bigshot_> yeah two fingers
[02:14] <jimpop> on the touchpad?
[02:14] <TuTUXG> touchpad or screen?
[02:14] <Bigshot_> no screen touch screen
[02:15] <jimpop> dunno
[02:15] <Bigshot_> TuTUXG: i would download 9.10 if it has multitouchscreen :D
[02:17] <Bigshot_> so does anyone know?
[02:17] <Bigshot_> any ubuntu master ?
[02:18] <jimpop> Bigshot_, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ubuntu+Karmic+Multi+touch+Screens
[02:18] <Bigshot_> i did man
[02:18] <Bigshot_> jimpop: you are a sarcastic guy
[02:18] <jimpop> Bigshot_, yep
[02:19] <Bigshot_> jimpop drinks pop - pepsi & coke
[02:19] <jimpop> lmao
[02:20] <jimpop> back to your question....
[02:20] <jimpop> if you read the first link, you will see that it is supported
[02:20] <webbb821> is there anyway to get a fast firefox
[02:20] <webbb821> firefox sucks now
[02:21] <jimpop> webbb821, yep.  U should not have removed 3.1 until they were sure 3.5 was solid
[02:21] <RomD> 3.5 is solid
[02:21] <jimpop> but slow
[02:21] <wgrant> 3.5 is solid.
[02:21] <RomD> not for me
[02:21] <wgrant> And not slow.
[02:21] <jimpop> it's slow on netbooks
[02:21] <wgrant> And supporting old Firefoxes is not practical.
[02:21] <webbb821> i heard 3.6 or 3.7 is fast
[02:21] <jimpop> what's your system specs wgrant ?
[02:21] <wgrant> So the removal policy must be very, very agressive.
[02:22] <jimpop> what's your system specs wgrant ?
[02:22] <Bigshot_> webbb821: which browser do you use if firefox sucks?
[02:22] <wgrant> jimpop: My current one is a Thinkpad T400 about 4 months old, but my 3.5 year old Dell is still fine.
[02:22] <wgrant> Firefox does suck.
[02:22] <wgrant> WebKit will prevail.
[02:22] <Bigshot_> which browser do you folks use now?
[02:22] <wgrant> I primarily use Firefox, but I am on the lookout for a good WebKit-based browser.
[02:23] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: wgrant Chrome
[02:24] <Bigshot_> but i like the grab and drag plugin in firefox it allow me to surf web with fingers
[02:24] <wgrant> Jordan_U: Chromium is too non-native.
[02:24] <scott_ino2> i like chromium
[02:24] <wgrant> Firefox at least attempts to look like it is native.
[02:24] <scott_ino2> it's not bad
[02:24] <Bigshot_> webbb821: bud what do you use?
[02:24] <Jordan_U> wgrant: How so?
[02:24] <wgrant> Jordan_U: It has these horrible window borders and widgets.
[02:24] <jimpop> chromium doesn't support adblock. cookiesafe, noscript, etc
[02:25] <wgrant> And does not respect my theme.
[02:25] <wgrant> jimpop: That too.
[02:25] <webbb821> Bigshot_: i use chrome now but i wanted to find a good version of firefox
[02:25] <Bigshot_> wgrant: how is webkit?
[02:25] <wgrant> Bigshot_: Good good good.
[02:25] <Jordan_U> wgrant: You can have it use standard window border and gtk theme ( though right now it fails pretty miserably with human )
[02:26] <jimpop> FF v3.0.1 was solid, fast, and rocked.... then someone felt the need to go and change something (for "improvements" sake)
[02:26] <wgrant> 3.5 works fine for me.
[02:26] <wgrant> 3.0 was not fast for me.
[02:26] <scott_ino2> wgrant, have you noticed any improvement from 3.0
[02:26] <jimpop> wgrant, me too... it's just dog slow on modern hardware
[02:26] <scott_ino2> i haven't, but it's stable i suppose
[02:26] <webbb821> what is a webkit based browser
[02:27] <scott_ino2> chromium, safari
[02:27] <Bluey> 3.5 is pretty solid
[02:27] <scott_ino2> well at least I think safari is at least...
[02:27] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Karmic does not have MPX ootb
[02:27] <smick> hey guys is there someone who could help me get my system booting again? here is the error i get after entering the encrypted filesystem password: http://pastebin.ca/1642246
[02:28] <IndyGunFreak> whats MPX?
[02:28] <timber> hey, early i was having the vlc problem which the screensaver appeared while playing a movie...now my screensaver never appears
[02:29] <timber> does anyone know something about it?
[02:29] <Jordan_U> wgrant: How do you feel about epiphany?
[02:29] <smick> epiphany-webkit is solid
[02:29] <wgrant> Jordan_U: I like it.
[02:29] <IndyGunFreak> wgrant, epiphany web browser?
[02:29] <Bluey> epiphany has no support of irc iirc
[02:29] <wgrant> IndyGunFreak: Right.
[02:30] <wgrant> Why would my web browser want to support IRC?
[02:30] <Bigshot_> MPT ootb?
[02:30] <Bigshot_> MPX
[02:30] <timber> can somebody help me?
[02:30] <IndyGunFreak> wgrant, is there a new version or something, i've not used it in a while.
[02:30] <Bluey> i thought epihany was an IM programme
[02:30] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Out of the box
[02:30] <wgrant> Bluey: That's Empathy.
[02:30] <wgrant> IndyGunFreak: The primary version uses WebKit now.
[02:30] <Bluey> wgrant: DOH!  yes...
[02:30] <IndyGunFreak> wgrant, oh ok.. well i'll install and see.
[02:31] <Bigshot_> Jordan_U: should i donwload ubuntu RC now and upgrade it to 9.10 later?
[02:31] <IndyGunFreak> Empathy is a train wreck.
[02:31] <wgrant> IndyGunFreak: It is a train wreck at the moment.
[02:31] <wgrant> But it will get much better soon.
[02:31] <IndyGunFreak> wgrant, i hope so... but i'm not holding out hope
[02:31] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: If you understand that it does *not* do multi pointer X, sure :)
[02:32] <Bigshot_> but i can bow it to make it work right Jordan_U?
[02:32]  * wgrant disappears for lunch.
[02:33] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Yes, using xorg-edgers ppa ( if your hardware is supported )
[02:33] <timber> please?
[02:33] <smick> in my experience it doesn't boot
[02:34] <smick> it'll prompt me for my filesystem psw, but then hangs saying: One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[02:35] <Bluey> smick: you said you were using encryption?
[02:35] <smick> yes. the weird thing is it prompts me for the psw and successfully mounts (read-only) the filesystem
[02:36] <smick> then it gives the error above
[02:36] <Bluey> smick: have you tried remounting rw?
[02:36] <smick> but if i hit ESC for a maintenance window all my stuff is there
[02:36] <smick> am doing it now
[02:37] <smick> it will remount, apparently it wasn't done configuring all packages last night
[02:37] <smick> so i'm running dpkg --configure -a
[02:37] <Bluey> ahh a grub fix in today's batch of fixes made my splash page work
[02:38] <ransom> so does anyone know something of the reasoning behind switching to empathy as the default chat client in karmic?
[02:38] <robotti^> how to configure wireless on karmic koala?:)
[02:38] <IndyGunFreak> i downloaded a lot of updates today, haven't saw much that it "fixed
[02:38] <Bluey> ransom: none
[02:39] <Bluey> robotti^: i am hardwired - sorry
[02:39] <ransom> bluey: you don't know anything, or there was no reasoning behind the switch?
[02:39] <maco> ransom: its the gnome client, it got working video/audio before pidgin, it has lots of desktop integration niceness.... it just still doesnt have a very polished UI
[02:39] <jimpop> ransom, pidgin was working TOO well for Ubuntu's standards
[02:39] <bazhang> robotti^, open a terminal and type ifconfig
[02:39] <IndyGunFreak> jimpop, lol..
[02:39] <Bluey> jimpop: maybe more truth to that then we know
[02:40] <jimpop> ;-)
[02:40] <IndyGunFreak> well, can't get complacent, if something works to well, screw it up so you can fix it
[02:40] <ransom> maco: so i guess working audio and video is more important than, say, being able to italicize text in a chat?
[02:40] <IndyGunFreak> i know one thing, Empathy absolutely sucks.
[02:40] <maco> ransom: i have no idea. ive never tried to italicize text in chat
[02:41] <IndyGunFreak> at least Pidgin is still in the repos.
[02:41] <ransom> maco: open up pidgin and hit ctrl+i.  it is wonderful
[02:41] <Jordan_U> Also, this whole #ubuntu for support is working too well, so they made sure not to include IRC support with empathy by default either
[02:41] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: I couldn't figure out k9copy (no documentation) so I run windows dvd shrink under wine - works great
[02:41] <maco> meh, i have it set not to disply bolds or italics, so i dont care
[02:41] <IndyGunFreak> BluesKaj, hmm, never used k9copy..
[02:41] <leandro> anyone here have problem with auto load subtitles in totem?
[02:41] <maco> Jordan_U: empathy has irc support...
[02:41] <maco> but its not like pidgin's was any good anyway. xchat for gnomey people
[02:42] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, is that to rip DVDs?
[02:42] <maco> i <3 Quassel though
[02:42] <Jordan_U> maco: Last I checked the irc plugin isn't included by default
[02:42] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: yes
[02:42] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, use Acidrip, it is great.
[02:42] <IndyGunFreak> in the repos as well.
[02:42] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: any documentation for it?
[02:42] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, i would assume it has a man page, lemme check
[02:43] <Bluey> thanks
[02:43] <jimpop> Empathy will eventually be replaced by an app that does irc, IM, http, ftp, rdp, and ssh....
[02:43] <Bluey> jimpop: debe?
[02:43] <ransom> jimpop: sounds like Bash to me
[02:43] <jimpop> lol
[02:43] <jimpop> yep
[02:43] <smick> dpkg is hung again "setting up xserver-xorg" for over a minute now
[02:43] <Bluey> jimpop: old ibm programme - does everything but eat...
[02:43] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, yeah, it has a manpage..
[02:44] <IndyGunFreak> but honestly, you could be braindead and use it, its not hard at all.
[02:44] <jimpop> Bluey ;-)
[02:44] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: d/l now
[02:44] <mersault> I updated my mythbuntu 9.10 install this afternoon, and now my screen goes blank as soon as gdm starts. Anyone else experiencing this? I'm using the nvidia driver, and I see it loaded. I see no errors in Xorg or gdm log files...
[02:45] <ransom> mersault: do you get a cursor, at least?
[02:45] <DanaG> Jordan_U: I think IRC support IS included......... it's just not visible in the first-run wizard!
[02:45] <mersault> ransom: nothing. blank screen.
[02:45] <ransom> mersault: then it is different than an issue i had.  i don't know.
[02:45] <mersault> ransom: I've tried plugging in a keyboard, and I can't cntl+alt+f1 to a console screen either
[02:47] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: acidrip looks quite complicated...
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, not at all.. its actually very easy
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, there's also ::dvdrip::
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> i think its in the repos as well.
[02:47] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: let me see if I can deciper the man page
[02:48] <IndyGunFreak> i rip all my DVDs in Acidrip, easy peasy
[02:49] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: yeah to hard to figure out....
[02:49] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: I need a step by step
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, well what do you not understand?
[02:50] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: where to start the rip
[02:50] <robotti^> I cannot set brightness of screen when using nvidia driver
[02:50] <robotti^> :(
[02:50] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: there is no "start" button
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, as soon as you tell it what to do, the start button highlights
[02:50] <ransom> hey, we don't talk about "start" buttons around here
[02:51] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: I'm still trying to figure all that out...
[02:51] <jimpop> ransom, what?   Karmic is becoming Windows more and more.... ;-)
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, do you have a DVD in your drive?
[02:52] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: yes
[02:52] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: it's too complicated...
[02:52] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, top right.. if the path to your DVD drive is right(is probably /dev/DVD).. click Load, and see if the chapters for the movie show up.
[02:53] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, does it show the chapters on the DVD?
[02:53] <reagleBRKLN> how do you change default boot order with grub2? can't get my network to work, so need to set default to earlier install. i'd install startupmanager, but i have no network!
[02:53] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: yes they are there
[02:53] <IndyGunFreak> ok, choose the "main" one.. it will show the entire length of the movie... like 1:39:15.. or something like that.. it will be he whole movie.
[02:54] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: done
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, now, on the left,
[02:54] <wiretapped> halp
[02:54] <wiretapped> i've just encountered https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/403408
[02:54] <wiretapped> on a thinkpad T41
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, filename, put the file name you want to name it... including path.. and set the file format
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, then set the size,
[02:54] <IndyGunFreak> and audio, etc..
[02:55] <IndyGunFreak> then go down and click start
[02:55] <wiretapped> i installed the karmic rc on two T30's and a T40 and everything is good... but on a T41 I have to edit the grub prompt and remove the search line to boot
[02:55] <onats> my desktop effects wont enable.. which log vile should i look at to troubleshoot/
[02:55] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: well I don't know what avi or mpg is -- usually decodes to .vob files...
[02:55] <Bluey> and file size of 700 is crasy
[02:55] <smick> hopefully that --configure -a was all that was req'd. after a reboot it wants to do a fs check. we'll see. thanks for letting me bitch
[02:56] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: sudo grub-set-default "title"
[02:56] <reagleBRKLN> Jordan_U: thanks, how to get a list of proper/valid titles?
[02:56] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: Where title is the title of the entry you want booted by default, you could also use a number but that would change whenever you get a new kernel update
[02:57] <IndyGunFreak> Bluey, well, i always do avi, and my full length movies are usually around 800mb, and they are good quality
[02:57] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: encodin rate of .41 fps way way too slow
[02:57] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: I need something that plays on a regular dvd player, NOT a computer -
[02:57] <spaceBARbarian> is there any way to have the software center show popularity of stuff like in previous versions ?
[02:57] <IndyGunFreak> oh oh oh.. i'm sorry.. i misunderstood your problem
[02:57] <IndyGunFreak> my sincere apologize
[02:57] <IndyGunFreak> i said rip above, and you said yes
[02:58] <Bluey> IndyGunFreak: this won't work for me --
[02:59] <Bluey> i need .vob files so I can play it back on a regular cd player - NOT a computer --
[02:59] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: sudo grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep -o '".*"'
[03:00] <reagleBRKLN> Jordan_U: thanks
[03:00] <Jordan_U> reagleBRKLN: np
[03:03] <evant8950> anyone available for some help
[03:05] <bazhang> evant8950, please ask the channel
[03:06] <evant8950> im having a problem with my wireless I can't connect to a network with security
[03:07] <evant8950> it keeps asking for my wpa password
[03:07] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, is anyone having probs w/ the new version of gparted?
[03:08] <herenbdy> I was able to switch between viewports by using my scroll wheel on the desktop on previous versions of ubuntu by default, how can I enable this in karmic?
[03:08] <IndyGunFreak> doesn't seem to save any changes, even when you click apply
[03:09] <IndyGunFreak> nevermind, i was beng retarded
[03:09] <IndyGunFreak> i'm to embarassed to even say what i was doing
[03:10] <wgrant> IndyGunFreak: For you penalty, you are required to tell us what you were doing.
[03:10] <wgrant> s/you/your.
[03:11] <IndyGunFreak> wgrant, lol, will in a sec, need to restart X
[03:11] <SandGorgon> why does double clicking on a deb tell me that i dont have permissions - should'nt it be asking me for authorization ?
[03:12] <frewsxcv> why do some notifications show up in a different location then others
[03:12] <IndyGunFreak> ok, you're not gonna believe this
[03:12] <IndyGunFreak> i can't believe how stupid i ws
[03:12] <IndyGunFreak> i kept formatting the drive, and it wasn't saving the changes , no matter what i did.
[03:12] <IndyGunFreak> so i start looking more closely..
[03:12] <IndyGunFreak> instead of hitting the "apply" button..lol, i was hitting the "undo" button..lol
[03:13] <wgrant> Hahaha.
[03:13] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[03:13] <IndyGunFreak> i must have done it 20x before i realized it
[03:13] <hggdh> anyone knows of problems when booting with udev in debug mode?
[03:14] <spaceBARbarian> argh does anyone know how to fix the compiz bug with resize window ?
[03:15] <maco> i wanna try out empathy video chat
[03:15] <cdm10> i'm having an issue in which nvidia-settings is not able to save my Twinview configuration to xorg.conf ("could not parse xorg.conf")
[03:18] <wgrant> maco: I haven't tried it lately.
[03:18] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, that was a PAIN IN THE *SS
[03:19] <maco> wgrant: can i test with you?
[03:19] <cdm10> IndyGunFreak: just manually stuck twinview into xorg.conf, seems to work... but i guess I'm lucky I don't have a particularly exciting configuration.
[03:19] <wiretapped> may i just say: grub2 sucks
[03:19] <wiretapped> wtf
[03:19] <wiretapped> there are 146 files in /boot/grub
[03:19] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: Why?
[03:19] <wiretapped> because it is new, different, and broken
[03:20] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, what i ended u doing, i had a xorg.conf from 9.04, i put it in /etc/X11... and it worked fine.
[03:20] <spaceBARbarian> did this RC come out the same day as windows 7 ?
[03:20]  * IndyGunFreak agrees w/ wiretapped ... sometimes its stupid to screw w/ what works
[03:20] <cdm10> IndyGunFreak: stupidly decided that /home was all I really needed to back up :)
[03:20] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, lol
[03:20] <wiretapped> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/403408
[03:20] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: Broken because it's modular or  is something actually not working?
[03:20] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, well, i have it, if you want me to pastebin it for you
[03:20] <wgrant> maco: Sure. You should have a subscription request, I think.
[03:21] <wgrant> Assuming Empathy is working.
[03:21] <wiretapped> that "search" line makes the T41 not able to boot
[03:21] <IndyGunFreak> don't know how useful it will be for you
[03:21] <wiretapped> no problem on T40 and T30
[03:21] <wiretapped> Jordan_U: do you know if the advice in that bug is right? is editing /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib the right way to make the fix persist?
[03:21] <wiretapped> i'm giving these laptops to someone non-technical
[03:21] <maco> wgrant: ok yeah
[03:22] <wiretapped> and it would be nice if future upgrades they do don't leave them with unbootable systems
[03:22] <cdm10> wiretapped: upgrades that don't brick systems? That's a rather revolutionary idea..
[03:22] <wiretapped> yeah, i know
[03:23] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, lol
[03:23] <wiretapped> if anyone who knows grub2 could advise me about how to make an upgrade-persistant change to grub, it would be great
[03:23] <wiretapped> i find it hard to believe editing something in /usr/lib is the right thing to do
[03:23] <wiretapped> but not too hard, actually
[03:27] <cdm10> encrypted swap appears to cause a small hang at bootup
[03:27] <cdm10> with an error message in usplash.
[03:28] <wgrant> (after a couple of Empathy crashes on my end, the video call was a success)
[03:28] <cdm10> whoo!
[03:29] <Jordan_U> wiretapped:
[03:29] <cdm10> now THAT'S what I like to see. A program that Just Works when you need it to.
[03:31] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10, lol
[03:31] <IndyGunFreak> switchin to the laptop
[03:31] <robotti^> cdm10: I have same problem
[03:31] <robotti^> :)
[03:31] <cdm10> ...naturally I just forgot to back up /etc, hence, I've lost my backup scripts. Oh well. Back to the manpages.
[03:31] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: grub-mkconfig_lib will be replaced when grub is updated
[03:31] <robotti^> then I decided not use that encryption
[03:32] <cdm10> robotti^: i don't know whether the error slowed things down or was just ugly...
[03:32] <cdm10> etiher way, it seems like the upstart job might not be queuing things right?
[03:32] <cdm10> (trying to mount before the filesystem comes up)
[03:32] <cdm10> er, before the encrypted block device comes up, i mean
[03:32] <robotti^> might be
[03:33] <robotti^> No sound on Karmic Koala
[03:33] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: Do you have a separate /boot?
[03:33] <robotti^> :)
[03:33] <cdm10> robotti^: oh? *goes and tests sound*
[03:33] <robotti^> cdm10: On my computer :D
[03:34] <cdm10> robotti^: well, naturally I want to make sure mine works :)
[03:34] <cdm10> do swap partitions have UUIDs?
[03:34] <robotti^> cdm10: My wireless does not work, but I am know using usb wireless from a-link. It works nice :)
[03:34] <robotti^> now
[03:35] <wiretapped> Jordan_U: I do not.
[03:36] <outoflaw> What do you guys think about the RC?
[03:36] <wiretapped> I have everything on one partition, as that is what the karmic rc installer did
[03:36] <wiretapped> Jordan_U: I kind of figured updating grub would update that...
[03:36] <wiretapped> hopefully the grub update fixes this bug :)
[03:36] <cdm10> outoflaw: i'm rather disappointed by a few thinsg.
[03:37] <wiretapped> i expect kernel upgrades are more frequent than grub upgrades though
[03:37] <outoflaw> cdm10, I very disappointed.
[03:37] <cdm10> outoflaw: what issues are you having?
[03:37] <outoflaw> s/I/I am
[03:37] <wiretapped> outoflaw: I haven't used it before today; I've just installed it on four thinkpads and on three of them it rocks so far
[03:38] <cdm10> damn
[03:38] <outoflaw> cdm10, Ubuntu One, Ltd shit, what's going on? Why are these things there by default?
[03:39] <cdm10> outoflaw: don't like the product, or some other issue?
[03:39] <cdm10> switched to an unencrypted swap. still get the error thingy...
[03:40] <outoflaw> cdm10, I think I will give a spin to opensuse. I just hope KDE4 is usable by now...
[03:41] <outoflaw> cdm10, Ubuntu One doesn't connect, the theme is awful, empathy has nothing special...
[03:41] <cdm10> outoflaw: change the theme, switch back to Pidgin...
[03:41] <outoflaw> cdm10, I already did that.
[03:41] <outoflaw> cdm10, I just had high hopes.
[03:42] <wiretapped> outoflaw: last time i tried suse sucked, but good luck with that ;)
[03:42] <cdm10> i've tried other distros, always came back to Ubuntu... not because they sucked, but because I was used to Ubuntu and I didn't see any benefit to the others.
[03:42] <robotti^> how to install svn on ubuntu?
[03:42] <outoflaw> wiretapped, I hated suse's yast but I had they have had zypper for a while, which apparently is no different then apt-get...
[03:43] <maco> ftr, the video chat wgrant and i just did DID in fact work. on the 3rd try...
[03:43] <mersault> I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade this afternoon, and ever since my machine goes from the splash screen during boot up to a blank screen. it seems like gdm is failing, but I can't find anything in the logs
[03:43] <cdm10> robotti^: sudo aptitude install subversion?
[03:43] <maco> outoflaw: kde4 is very nice. ive been using it in kubuntu since 4.2, but even 4.0 was passable on openSUSE
[03:44] <maco> wiretapped: i just dont like yast...
[03:44] <robotti^> cdm10: I found way for that. But why people use always aptitude? How it differences from apt-get?
[03:44] <outoflaw> maco, no man, KDE 4.0 was a terrible disaster.
[03:45] <cdm10> robotti^: nicer dependency resolution, but really it doesn't make much of a difference
[03:45] <bjsnider> cdm10, that bug in nvidia-settings was fixed upstream by nvidia but a new version hasn't been packaged by canonical
[03:45] <cdm10> bjsnider: aha.
[03:45] <syk> will there be any new features or anything in that sort in the final karmic?
[03:45] <maco> outoflaw: where i worked at the time, one guy tried kubuntu 8.04 and it was...bad. then he tried the newest suse which had 4.0 and it was better..he was showing it off. i think there may have been some video-driver support issues in there too though that made suse better
[03:45] <maco> syk: different from whats in rc?
[03:45] <syk> yeah
[03:46] <cdm10> does anyone get an error message related to swap during usplash?
[03:46] <maco> syk: nope, thats what "release candidate" means
[03:46] <syk> ah
[03:46] <maco> syk: it means "unless you find a showstopper bug, this is it"
[03:46] <syk> so mainly bug fixes
[03:46] <maco> syk: or as dtchen keeps calling them "kitten killer bug"
[03:46] <evilaim> +
[03:46] <cdm10> i like it.
[03:47] <outoflaw> maco, I tried KDE4.0 on opensuse. Just the idea is so brain dead. But now with this ubuntu I really want to try opensuse again.
[03:47]  * tonyyarusso thinks not booting on sparc should be a kitten killer, but it's "unsupported", so it's not
[03:47] <spaceBARbarian> WHOA whats this new sound management system ?
[03:47] <spaceBARbarian> works awesome with my external USB card
[03:47] <outoflaw> maco, I like Qt a lot. I think GTK is not the way of the future... I don't know, just a personal opinion...
[03:48] <cdm10> spaceBARbarian: heh, PulseAudio :)
[03:48] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: If you are going to b giving this laptop to someone else, try grub legacy and if it works then use it
[03:48] <maco> tonyyarusso: if it aint eatin your babies or killin your kittens, its releasin ;)
[03:48] <cdm10> what kind of boot times are people getting on karmic?
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> maco: maybe my kittens' feeding system runs on sparc.  NOW WHAT?
[03:49] <spaceBARbarian> cdm10, so its enabled by default now ? i remember in jaunty i had to do a bunch of settings to get it
[03:49] <maco> tonyyarusso: hahaha
[03:49] <maco> tonyyarusso: then get solaris
[03:49] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: ia64, sparc, and to an extent powerpc are hard to keep booting.
[03:49] <cdm10> spaceBARbarian: it was enabled by default in Jaunty, but the UIs weren't installed
[03:50] <maco> tonyyarusso: preferably 10. because omg solaris 8 is annoying
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: I suppose, but grr
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> maco: oh god yes...  We had Solaris 8 at a job I did for a while (that I was totally underqualified for).  Nightmare.
[03:50] <maco> tonyyarusso: ksh88 for the LOSE
[03:50] <Jordan_U> wiretapped: sudo apt-get install grub
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> maco: Not having apt makes me cry regardless of version though
[03:52] <maco> tonyyarusso: opencsw
[03:52] <IndyGunFreak> not having apt?
[03:52] <maco> tonyyarusso: get that installed, and youll have "pkg-get" instead of "apt-get"
[03:52] <maco> IndyGunFreak: solaris
[03:52] <IndyGunFreak> oh..
[03:52] <IndyGunFreak> "one of them"...lol
[03:52] <maco> IndyGunFreak: yeah, some linux people use real unices too!
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> maco: Sssh.  It was easier to say "you know what, this is dumb.  Let's just install Ubuntu on anything we can afford to mess with"
[03:53] <IndyGunFreak> maco, lol
[03:53] <dtchen> nothing wrong with ksh88.
[03:53] <dtchen> all you bash people are spoiled.
[03:53] <basix> What is the difference between the RC and Final Version? Are there going to be significant changes to the core system? Kernel / Modules etc..? If I install the RC, can I upgrade it to the Final Version?
[03:53] <maco> tonyyarusso: well where i work sells support for solaris servers, so i *do* have to do work on sol8, 9, and 10 sparc...plus 10 for intel
[03:54] <Jordan_U> !beta | basix
[03:54] <wgrant> basix: There will be no big changes, just critical bugfixes. You can upgrade.
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> basix: Not much, most likely.
[03:54] <maco> dtchen: the ksh93 guy works for us. he says its better :P
[03:54] <dtchen> crack.
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> I don't know about those shells, but I have been trying to script portably by targeting dash instead of bash lately.  It involves a lot of awk I find...
[03:56] <basix> Jordan_U, wgrant, tonyyarusso: thanks! 9.10 is AMAZING :D
[03:57]  * tonyyarusso is really looking forward to trying the new bluetooth stack - maybe I'll finally be able to use those headphones and such I bought
[03:58] <wgrant> The only thing I've used Bluetooth for lately is grabbing files from my phone and using it as a 3G modem.
[03:58] <wgrant> Works pretty well.
[03:59] <virtuald> dtchen, if i installed rtkit and patched the kernel, do you think I'd get rid of the underruns?
[03:59] <mersault> gdm is failing on my newly updated 9.10 install, and I can't figure out why. the logs are completely free of any errors, the nvidia driver is loaded... I can't figure out why as soon as the box starts gdm, the screen just goes blank
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> I'd use bt with my phone more if my phone was a crippled Verizon POS
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> (ie, it can only do bt transfer from the built-in storage, not the MicroSD card - wth?)
[04:00] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how i can fix this error when trying to get boxee ?  Failed to fetch http://apt.boxee.tv/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[04:03] <habanany> hey guys i want to download skype, i'm using karmic, which version is for me, debian lenny or ubuntu 8.10 + 32-bit
[04:05] <maco> !info skype
[04:05] <maco> i wouldve expected it to be in multiverse
[04:05] <Jordan_U_> wiretapped: I think I have a solution that will persist between upgrades if you are still there
[04:05] <cdm10> habanany: go with the Ubuntu one
[04:06] <dtchen> maco: it still has to build if it's in multiverse.
[04:06] <habanany> what has to do ubuntu one with skype?
[04:06] <habanany> i'm newbe
[04:06] <maco> dtchen: oh. so itd have to be a "partner" thing?
[04:06] <cdm10> habanany: I mean the ubuntu file, not the other ones
[04:06] <IndyGunFreak> maco, weird.. i just gopt it no prob.
[04:07] <maco> IndyGunFreak: huh?
[04:07] <habanany> ohhh. got it
[04:07] <IndyGunFreak> maco, weren't you trying to apt-get skype?
[04:07] <maco> IndyGunFreak: i was checking for habanany to see if it was in repos anywhere
[04:07] <IndyGunFreak> oh, well it is.
[04:07] <dtchen> maco: skype-mid is in partner.
[04:08] <IndyGunFreak> for me it is anyways, it might be in medibuntu.
[04:08] <maco> dtchen: oh
[04:08] <slestak> hey guys.  good evening.  testing dist-upgrade with dell mini9 and cannot get pulseaudio to work post upgrade.  imseeing quite a few files bugs but no esolutionyet
[04:08] <dtchen> slestak: ubuntu-bug alsa-base, please.
[04:08] <slestak> ty
[04:08] <dtchen> slestak: then, tell me the bug number.
[04:13] <ElijahCMenifee> Anyone have any idea on how to get a username to show up on the default gdm login screen?  The uid is < 1000 ( can not change to 1000+ because it is an ldaped user on multiple machines and the uid needs to remain the same because of network file shares and settings on other boxes...)
[04:14] <slestak> dtchen: #439815 describes as far as I have gotten troubleshooting this.  cannot launch System -> Preferences -> Sound. I have unmuted channels in alsamixer and installed padevchooser and pavucontrol to find out what mixer to use in Karmic
[04:14] <slestak> neither pa* prog mentioned above can connect to the sound server
[04:16] <slestak> i do have pulse, just a regular old ubuntu install
[04:17] <ygd-coder> has anyone tried karmic on an intel gma 950?
[04:17] <dtchen> slestak: I need you to actually run "ubuntu-bug alsa-base", however.
[04:18] <dtchen> slestak: it will attach debugging information that I need.
[04:18] <HowDoI> Anybody know if Karmic will release fixes/updates that will allow it to run on my machine, or if they will just forget about like the Intel Graphics problems in Jaunty?
[04:18] <IndyGunFreak> HowDoI, which intel graphics device do you have
[04:19] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, has the bug been submitted to the launchpad?
[04:19] <HowDoI> Yes
[04:19] <wgrant> HowDoI: They were not forgotten about. It was simply too difficult to make the necessary changes.
[04:19] <IndyGunFreak> HowDoI, which intel graphics device do you have, and whats the problem?
[04:19] <wgrant> HowDoI: Bug number?
[04:19] <IndyGunFreak> !bug intel
[04:20] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, The best way would be to monitor the bug to know when a workaround or fix has been submitted.
[04:20]  * IndyGunFreak has intel graphics device and it works fine...
[04:21] <HowDoI> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/445056
[04:21] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, It may or may not be fixed by karmic release, but it may still be fixed in karmic, just not before the release date.
[04:21] <slestak> dtchen: ok, sorry, had not used the ubuntu-buug tool before.  doing it now.
[04:21] <HowDoI> So that's my question
[04:21] <HowDoI> This issue makes Karmic unusable for me
[04:22] <HowDoI> So is there any chance that they fix it at all for Karmic?
[04:22] <wgrant> HowDoI: Before Karmic? Very unlikely. As an SRU? Possibly.
[04:22] <HowDoI> In an update somewhere down the road?  But it's not security-related
[04:23] <wgrant> Important bugfixes are also permitted.
[04:23] <wgrant> That is why there is -updates and not just -security.
[04:23] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, according to bug description it looks like it only effects compiz based desktop effects, does your X lock up with effects turned off?
[04:23] <HowDoI> No
[04:23] <HowDoI> But It's maybe 1/10 chance that I can get far enough to turn them off
[04:24] <SnakDoc> there any way to change gdm ?
[04:24] <HowDoI> So there's still a small chance that this bug will get fixed in an SRU in a few months
[04:24] <wgrant> SnakDoc: It depends on what you mean by 'change'
[04:24] <wgrant> HowDoI: Or a week.
[04:25] <wgrant> HowDoI: It depends when people find time to look at it.
[04:25] <Pilif12p> Hi, i downloaded 9.10 via the Distro. Update, can i remove the iso or whatever? I have a really small HDD, now i only have 1 GB left.
[04:25] <Pilif12p> i mean, how do i
[04:25] <ChesFTC> Hi, I'm having a bizarre problem with apache spewing binary garbage out in the Karmic RC prior to the HTTP OK header
[04:25] <wgrant> It is regrettable that we have to release with some drivers not working properly.
[04:25] <ChesFTC> Has anybody else seen this before?
[04:25] <slestak> dtchen: bug 460200
[04:25] <SnakDoc> wgrant themes
[04:25] <wgrant> But if we waited for every driver to work perfectly, we wouldn't be releasing in the next decade.
[04:25] <wgrant> SnakDoc: It's a normal GNOME session, so in theory you should be able to fully customise it.
[04:25] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, wgrant generally people who can look at it and have the hardware to test with...
[04:27] <HowDoI> I understand that you have to leave some things out, but this is the second release that has problems with my common Intel Graphics hardware
[04:27] <hipitihop> I have a usb based iMon infrared control unit which should be driven via LIRC but it seems to be using a USBHID driver. Anyone know how to stop usbhid from grabbing the device ?
[04:27] <HowDoI> I think people will read "Intel Graphics problems vastly improved" on the release notes, then see that it crashes immediately
[04:27] <wgrant> HowDoI: On a tiny, tiny fraction of hardware.
[04:28] <wgrant> It does not affect all i945s.
[04:28] <HowDoI> True
[04:28] <slestak> do users need to be members of audio group?  The only member of audio group on my system is user pulse
[04:29] <HowDoI> I'm ok with the result and having to wait a little bit, I just think they should tone down the attitude like they've fixed everything
[04:29] <wgrant> slestak: No, users need not be members of 'audio'
[04:29] <wgrant> HowDoI: Nobody said that everything is fixed.
[04:29] <wgrant> But the vast majority of cases are much, much better.
[04:29] <HowDoI> Well I can only speak for myself
[04:30] <HowDoI> This issue was nowhere in the release notes for any of the pre-release versions I tried
[04:30] <HowDoI> That I could see
[04:30] <ChesFTC> Nobody has seen the karmic apache distribution spew the binary junk prior to the http headers?
[04:30] <slestak> ChesFTC: sorry, i havent
[04:30] <ChesFTC> hmm, thanks
[04:30] <Pilif12p> help please
[04:30] <ChesFTC> I guess it's bug report time then
[04:30] <slestak> ChesFTC: think a wireshark trace might show anything?
[04:31] <ChesFTC> slestak: Curl shows the junk
[04:31] <ChesFTC> even safari shows it
[04:31] <ChesFTC> if you view->source
[04:31] <hipitihop> Can someone point me at how to stop usbhid from driving a specific device
[04:32] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, reading through the bug someone else linked it to bug 433541, and someone on that bug list claims an upstream and kernel fix so if it is the same bug I would expect it to be fixed as a karmic update before too long.
[04:32] <HowDoI> Well, let's hope so.  The other but doesn't seem related to me, but I'm not that technical
[04:33] <HowDoI> Bug*
[04:33] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, not sure either, and without that chipset I can not reproduce get additional details, just examing the bug postings to offer moral support on your issue.
[04:33] <HowDoI> For another question, anybody know the status of "Universal Applets"?
[04:34] <HowDoI> Thanks ElijahCMenifee
[04:35] <ElijahCMenifee> HowDoI, note on the other list they are claiming stability/fixed with kernel v2.6.32-rc1 not sure if karmic will officailly get that kernel or when patch will be back-ported but there is hope.
[04:36] <Bluey> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart    --- fixes a multitude of coding bugs!
[04:38] <Ahadiel> Is there anyway to minimize Evolution?
[04:38] <Ahadiel> or rather, minimize to tray
[04:41] <dtchen> slestak: sec, looking now
[04:43] <dtchen> slestak: err, well, 'Master' is zero and muted. See also 'Headphone' and 'Speaker'.
[04:43] <slestak> in alsamixer?  I unmuted those
[04:44] <dtchen> slestak: before or after you submitted the bug report?
[04:44] <dtchen> slestak: because clearly according to the bug report, they're muted.
[04:45] <slestak> the other day when i was first troubleshooting this. i just unmuted afain, and did some updates from update Manager that is askign for a reboot.  lemme restart and test sound.  tyvm.  brb
[04:45] <slestak> they were muted just now, i jut unmuted again.  brb
[04:51] <HowDoI> Anybody know what version of Virtualbox will be included in Karmic?
[04:52] <wgrant> HowDoI: 3.0.8
[04:52] <HowDoI> Oh wow
[04:53] <slestak> dthacker: on reboot, the channels were muted again on alsamixer.  i unmuted the relevant channles with no change.  when opening an mp3 with totem, the volume control slider is ghosted out
[04:53] <wgrant> Hm?
[04:53] <XiXaQ> wow. the power consumption of karmic is extreme compared to jaunty. I've gone from 1h50m to 40m.
[04:54] <wgrant> XiXaQ: Odd. It's a little better for me.
[04:54] <frybye> XiXaQ: changed settings?
[04:54] <XiXaQ> no.
[04:55] <dtchen> slestak: please use apport-collect -p alsa-base 460200
[04:55] <XiXaQ> actually, I'm running fewer apps on karmic than I was on jaunty.
[04:56] <slestak> dtchen: ok, running it now
[05:00] <slestak> dtchen: more attachments added to bug
[05:01] <slestak> ty for looking at this problem
[05:01] <dtchen> slestak: are you using speakers or hp?
[05:02] <slestak> speakers
[05:02] <dtchen> slestak: ok, please mute 'Headphone'
[05:02] <dtchen> slestak: now try: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -l2 -Dplug:front:0
[05:03] <virtuald> yay, my sound isn't muted
[05:04] <slestak> dtchen: said connection refused. went through the test, no sound.  tried playing an mp3 in aplay, got static from spearkers.  same mp3 will not play in totem still
[05:05] <dtchen> slestak: ok, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[05:05] <slestak> k
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> dtchen: say, as long as you're online, do you by any chance have a clue why I get crackly noises from my speakers on my Eee PC when GDM comes up with the sound muted?  (This is actually Jaunty - haven't had a chance to try Karmic on this yet.)
[05:06] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[05:07] <mattwj2002> hplip in 9.10 rc is broke :(
[05:07] <slestak> dtchen: hmm, when executing the killall pulseaudio, said it count find one.  maybe my pa is not even starting
[05:07] <maco> mattwj2002: didja file a bug
[05:08] <carmelita> Hello, can somone please tell me how to play midi files on Kubuntu 9.10?
[05:08] <mattwj2002> well
[05:08] <mattwj2002> maybe there is a work around
[05:08] <mattwj2002> I have a HP C5180
[05:08] <carmelita> In Google I only found very old infos about a kmid, which is not installable
[05:09] <maco> mattwj2002: does the default printer thing not work with it or something?
[05:09] <slestak> dtchen: attach log to bug 460200?
[05:09] <maco> i stopped using hplip a year or more ago since the default thing works fine
[05:09] <dtchen> slestak: yes
[05:09] <mattwj2002> well hp-scan can't find a ppd
[05:09] <mattwj2002> :(
[05:09] <durt> has something happened to packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:09] <dtchen> tonyyarusso: not enough context?
[05:10] <wgrant> durt: It's down at the moment. Hopefully it will be fixed once London wakes up.
[05:10] <dtchen> tonyyarusso: i.e., there are a fair number of candidates; I'll need more detail on an actual Karmic boot.
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> dtchen: I was afraid of that.  Welp, I guess I'll just have to check it out later.
[05:10] <durt> wgrant, I see, just wanted to know if it was down or moved or whatever.
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> (And in the meantime get funny looks from my classmates when I boot up at school)
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> dtchen: It seems to do it if I play a youtube video with sound muted too if that helps at all.
[05:11] <dtchen> tonyyarusso: e.g., normally the "crackles on muted" behaviour is crappy hw. With varying degrees of success, it can be worked around in the sound driver.
[05:11] <carmelita> Hello, nobody knows how to play MIDI files in Kubuntu 9.10? I found infos about a kmid application, but it's not instalable. Please could someone help me?
[05:11] <mattwj2002> :O
[05:11] <mattwj2002> the gui worked
[05:12] <mattwj2002> thanks maco!
[05:12] <mattwj2002> I just tried the command line by default
[05:12] <mattwj2002> :)
[05:12] <mattwj2002> because I did that by default
[05:12] <maco> mattwj2002: yay!
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> dtchen: ah, ok.  Well, this machine has a history of hw being poorly supported when it was first released, but improving quite a bit with each Ubuntu release, so an upgrade may well help.
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> You'll see my bug reports later if not ;)
[05:15] <carmelita> PLEASE! Can someone help me?? PLEASE I need urgently to play MIDIS, I used kmid before under kde 3.X, but now it appers not to exist.
[05:17] <dtchen> carmelita: see timidity.
[05:17] <dtchen> slestak: ok, and the pasuspender -- speaker-test[..] command still doesn't give audible audio?
[05:17] <slestak> tonyyarusso: must be an Averatec :)
[05:18] <Bluey> carmelita: timidity?
[05:18] <slestak> dtchen: ok, did it again, i did hear speaker test.  sorry, it was very low volume
[05:19] <DanaG> dtchen: do you think a device like the WMB54G would have enough "horsepower" to run PulseAudio?  http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:RMfXJEvDEsoJ:openwrt.org/logs/openwrt.log.20060907+rtl8186+2.6&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
[05:19] <virtuald> that's odd. now the sound was muted but the speaker icon didn't show it
[05:19] <DanaG> ... assuming I made linux2.6 load on it.
[05:20] <slestak> dtchen: is there truth to the launchpad bugnote that gnome-volume-control is depracated?
[05:20] <dtchen> DanaG: possibly
[05:20] <carmelita> dtchen: I'm checking it, thanks
[05:21] <virtuald> dtchen: it works much better today, though i still get my logs flooeded with alsa-source.c: Resume failed, couldn't restore original fragment settings. (Old: 65536/65536, New 2147418112/65534)
[05:21] <carmelita> Bluey: Thanks, I'm checking it!
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> slestak: lshw seems to think it's Intel?
[05:21] <dtchen> virtuald: using the PPA version of PA?
[05:21] <Bluey> you are welcome - I don't play midi's and that was off the top of me head...
[05:21] <virtuald> yes
[05:21] <dtchen> ah, alsa-source.c
[05:21] <dtchen> so your driver is broken after all.
[05:21] <dtchen> linux boog!
[05:22] <virtuald> (:
[05:22] <dtchen> apparently something's not being set properly in the capture callback in your sound driver.
[05:22] <virtuald> i did file a bug against linux
[05:22] <dtchen> it could be shoddy hw, shoddy bios, shoddy linux, ...
[05:22] <DanaG> I'm pondering making that "porting" be my senior project.
[05:22] <mersault> I did an update earlier today, and now my host goes straight from the bootup splash image to a blank screen, and the keyboard doesn't work. I can use the keyboard during bootup (for instance, to access the bios), and I can log into the box over ssh and see gdm running, but it's just a blank screen.
[05:23] <virtuald> but i still think pa should rate limit that underrun crap
[05:23] <DanaG> Also... can things compiled for linux2.4 execute on linux2.6?  (That is, not necessarily work properly, but at least not give anything like "exec format error")
[05:23] <virtuald> the logging
[05:23] <wgrant> mersault: Which splash? The black and white Ubuntu logo (usplash), or the full brown thing with progress bar (xsplash)?
[05:23] <dtchen> virtuald: yeah, we'll likely lower the logging level for Lucid
[05:23] <mersault> wgrant: usplash
[05:24] <wgrant> DanaG: Normal binaries? Assuming that none of the underlying libraries have changed soname, sure.
[05:24] <mersault> wgrant: it's an nvidia graphics card, and it was a clean install of 9.10, not an upgrade.
[05:24] <wgrant> Do you think we all recompiled our whole systems back when first migrating to 2.6?
[05:24] <wgrant> mersault: Ah. nvidia.
[05:24] <wgrant> Don't know a whole lot about them.
[05:24] <Bluey> wgrant: I am not a sadist!
[05:24] <dtchen> slestak: well, it should use the new PA-aware UI
[05:25] <ous6> hi i need help with ubuntu, my wireless is not working
[05:25] <mersault> wgrant: I can see the nvidia module is loaded correctly, and it all worked perfectly fine this morning, until I did an update and upgrade with apt-get.
[05:26] <wgrant> mersault: Do you recall what was upgraded?
[05:26] <mersault> wgrant: not really. it was a lot though, as it had been at least 4 days since I'd last done it.
[05:26] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:26] <dtchen> there's always /var/log/dpkg.log if you're desperate
[05:28] <dtchen> slestak: hmm, I wonder if you have a codec that's just acting up due to misreporting dB
[05:28] <mersault> checking dpkg.log, I do see gdm.
[05:29] <slestak> dtchen: so your thinkingmaybe one of the gstreamer pluignpackages?
[05:29] <ous6> help plz!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:30] <slestak> what about the inability to open Preferences -> Sound?  says waiting for sound server
[05:30] <dtchen> slestak: well, you killed PA, remember?
[05:30] <dtchen> slestak: (and disabled autospawn)
[05:31] <slestak> ihadnt tried going to sound this session, that was one of my first symptoms. i thnkmaybe my pa is not starting onboot
[05:32] <slestak> my batteryis running low.  think i will need to pick this up anohter day
[05:33] <slestak> ty for your assistance
[05:33] <dtchen> slestak: in that case, rm ~/.pulse/client.conf, and reinstall pulseaudio
[05:33] <slestak> ok, i'll do that before goingto bed.
[05:34] <slestak> will report back later.
[05:34] <dtchen> we can try the ignore_dB method...
[05:34] <dtchen> ...or not
[05:34] <ous6> hi i need help with ubuntu, my wireless is not working
[05:38] <DanaG> weird... RAOP has a lag of like 3 seconds.
[05:40] <mersault> huzzah! re-installing every nvidia related package resolved my issue.
[05:40] <DanaG> interesting... I unplugged the AE, and the streams still haven't moved away from it.
[05:42] <DanaG> Hmm, still hasn't timed out yet.
[05:42] <DanaG> What is the timeout on the thing, anyway?
[05:43] <DanaG> It seems to be really, really really long.
[05:43] <carbm2> Anybody else had problems with Grub2 and Wubi?
[05:44]  * DanaG wonders if PulseAudio can run (or even compile!) on linux2.4... perhaps OSS?  =þ
[05:46] <DanaG> WEird... the thing still hasn't timed out.
[05:54] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678#comment
[05:55] <DanaG> ah, goodie, Trust USB Headset is approximately exactly (yeah, silly wording) the same as my SRM.  Well, rather, it's the same chip, but lacks the digital outputs my card has.
[05:57] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/673
[05:57] <DanaG> Actually, it looks like those two bugs are closely related.
[06:04] <xiambax> so you cant change gdm themes in 9.10
[06:04] <xiambax> ?
[06:09] <yang_> So I have a problem with my Brother Printer. it prints color only no black at all
[06:11] <yang_> cups error log shows :
[06:11] <yang_> E [24/Oct/2009:20:50:03 -0700] Unable to remove temporary file "/var/spool/cups/tmp/.hplip" - Is a directory
[06:11] <yang_> E [24/Oct/2009:20:50:16 -0700] [Job 1] Unable to read job control file "/var/spool/cups/c00001"!
[06:11] <yang_> E [24/Oct/2009:23:06:31 -0700] Bad request line "" from localhost!
[06:11] <xiambax> restart cups
[06:11] <yang_> I have. I have restarted computer.
[06:11] <yang_> But brb restarting cups
[06:11] <xiambax> To be honest printing is not my forte
[06:12] <xiambax> i view everything on my iphone, its good for the environment :D
[06:12] <yang_> me either. Printer has worked before with Linux tho
[06:12] <xiambax> Ya get what ya pay for :D
[06:13] <yang_> yeh cups restart dosn't fix it
[06:13] <lucent> not really, not anymore in the home retail space
[06:14] <lucent> even HP printers are forsaken
[06:14] <xiambax> I was only kidding
[06:14] <xiambax> Thanks for all the help lucent
[06:14] <xiambax> Earlier
[06:14] <lucent> oh yeah
[06:14] <lucent> I don't know, if it helped then I'm glad
[06:14] <xiambax> I actually went out and bought a barebones for 50 bucks today
[06:15] <xiambax> AMD 64 2.0 ghz and mobo. I took a case psu drive and some ram i had kicking around and built a lil media box
[06:15]  * lucent adds "...and a space heater"
[06:15] <xiambax> Haha. yea the asus fan i bought for it is hella loud
[06:15] <xiambax> but i only paid 11 bucks for it
[06:15] <xiambax> so whatevers
[06:17] <lucent> next install I do, I am very tempted to run btrfs as rootfs
[06:17] <lucent> for all the testing and bug hunting I did with ext4fs, I've done absolutely nothing and btrfs is running without any hint of a problem
[06:18] <xiambax> btrfs?
[06:18] <lucent> it's a very experimental and shiny new filesystem
[06:19] <lucent> ext4 I -do not recommend- just so you know
[06:20] <lucent> Ubuntu's sauce patches against the Linux Kernel triggered an unknown bug in ext4 use
[06:21] <yang_> okay, my problem with printing is related to text only. I can print images
[06:22] <yang_> not the color black but any text.
[06:22] <lucent> the bug was never identified and those symptoms since disappeared from being reproducible
[06:22] <alankila> does grub support btrfs yet?
[06:22] <lucent> alankila: grub2 might, huh, that's a very keen question of yours
[06:23] <lucent> yang_: sounds like a misbehaving postscript conversion
[06:23] <yang_> thats what I thought. I used oo.o to print to file .ps and view in okular
[06:23] <yang_> text looks right there
[06:23] <lucent> yang_: does your printer support PS?
[06:24] <yang_> Brother MFC-420CN, I think so
[06:25] <lucent> I'm doubtful
[06:26] <yang_> what do think then?
[06:26] <lucent> searching the manual for "postscript" yields no results
[06:26] <yang_> I am using the OEM Driver from brother for that model
[06:26] <lucent> I think you have an expensive boat anchor and not a real printer
[06:27] <lucent> too bloody bad.
[06:27] <yang_> ?
[06:27] <yang_> I made it work before with Ubuntu 8.10 and 9.04
[06:27] <yang_> using that Driver
[06:28] <lucent> you might try contacting your OEM to discuss with them about a solution
[06:28] <lucent> this isn't an Ubuntu support issue anymore ;)
[06:28] <yang_> haha HP support?
[06:28] <yang_> brother support?
[06:28] <yang_> for linux? joke
[06:28] <lucent> well yeah
[06:29] <yang_> Hey, your ppd and lpr drivers that you provide for linux don't work with cups 1.41 can you help me?
[06:29] <lucent> you vote with your money for some OEM that won't support you?
[06:29] <lucent> not this community's problem :)
[06:29] <yang_> what OEM would you suggest for a printer then?
[06:29] <lucent> HP P2055DN
[06:30] <yang_> thats true it may not be a ubuntu problem. Just seeing if i am doing somthing wrong.
[06:30] <lucent> the Xerox Phaser 6280N Color Laser Printer if you need color
[06:30] <lucent> but I don't like color laser printers
[06:30] <lucent> they're huge and I have very small living quarters
[06:30] <maco> hp printers pretty universally rock
[06:31] <yang_> do you know a good program to save odt to image? or pdf tiff or jpg?
[06:31] <lucent> yeah, OpenOffice can export PDF
[06:32] <lucent> PDF though is converted to PS, and then won't likely work right
[06:33] <lucent> anyhow if you're spending more than $200 on a printer and it does not support PS and/or PCL natively, don't expect it to do ANYTHING with Ubuntu
[06:34] <yang_> need document printed temp fix is convert to jpg witch currently will print
[06:34] <lucent> oh okay
[06:34] <yang_> oo.o wont do it. koffice wont do it.
[06:34] <yang_> okular wont do it.
[06:34] <yang_> any ideas?
[06:34] <maco> yang_: take a screenshot?
[06:35] <lucent> yang_: install the OS that it worked with
[06:35] <yang_> to iffy for a letter I think. I wish there was a pdf converted
[06:35] <yang_> cups verision I think . 1.1 instead of 1.41
[06:45] <DanaG> HP printers should actually be pretty good with Linux, usually.
[06:45] <aprilhare> hello
[06:46] <lucent> the expensive ones are for business
[06:46] <DanaG> And the OfficeJet Pro 8500 doesn't cause brownouts like the MFC-7840w did.
[06:46] <DanaG> =P
[06:46] <aprilhare> me again, playing with web browsers :)
[06:46] <xiambax> you try chromium for linux yet
[06:46] <DanaG> Do you have a Costco nearby?
[06:46] <xiambax> it works awesome
[06:46] <aprilhare> acroread plugin for instance
[06:46] <lucent> DanaG: the LaserJet 1020 series I had never worked quite right with CUPS
[06:46] <aprilhare> acroread plugin doesn't work in firefox or chromium. but it works in opera 10.
[06:47] <DanaG> Ah yeah, my mom had a 1012 with her mac... it sucked.  Finally replaced it with the OfficeJet.
[06:47] <aprilhare> lucent: my hp laserjet 1020 works fine with cups
[06:47] <lucent> DanaG: it didn't work at all initially, then when the gurus looked into it, discovered the printer had a bug that needed a software workaround
[06:47] <DanaG> That's host-based laser.
[06:47] <lucent> riiight.
[06:47] <DanaG> "Unsupported Personality: PCL" -- was that it?
[06:47] <aprilhare> lucent: i'm just telling you for my own jollies - of course it works right!
[06:47] <aprilhare> :P
[06:48] <lucent> aprilhare: occasionally it would lock up though after certain types of print jobs, and then need a power cycle to print again
[06:48] <aprilhare> true lucent but nothings perfect
[06:48] <lucent> oh!?   how wrong you are
[06:48] <aprilhare> usually not the jobs, but things like empty paper
[06:48] <lucent> the LaserJet IIIP was immaculate
[06:48] <aprilhare> just keep the paper up and it works fine :)
[06:48] <aprilhare> heh
[06:49] <lucent> built by gods, and destined for eternity
[06:49] <aprilhare> the hplip software helps with that stuff
[06:49]  * lucent :)
[06:51]  * aprilhare considered trying the new hpcups drivers but they were disabled for karmic
[06:51] <DanaG> I tried them; I don't know what was so broken that tthey disabled them and went back to hplip.
[06:52] <DanaG> Heh, for the Laserjet on Mac, I had to replace the "native" print driver..... with HPLIP.
[06:52] <aprilhare> you're not replacing hplip you're replacing hpjis
[06:52] <lucent> okay that does make me giggle
[06:54] <DanaG> wow, apparently airport-express timeout is something like 30 minutes.
[06:54] <aprilhare> at any rate, getting back to topic.... anyone else tried out their acroread pdf plugin?
[06:54] <DanaG> acroread == laggggggggggggggggggggggggggggGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggggggggggggGGggggGGGggggGGgggggggggggg
[06:55] <DanaG> That is, I unplugged it 30 minutes ago, and it took that long for Avahi to realize it was gone.
[06:55] <aprilhare> don't you mean airport-express? :)
[06:55] <aprilhare> heh
[06:55] <aprilhare> must be late where u are
[06:57] <DanaG> sorry, I interrupted myself.
[06:57] <DanaG> airport express = 30 minutes.
[06:58] <DanaG> acroread is a separate topic.
[07:16] <DanaG> !info tor
[07:16] <DanaG> argh
[07:16] <maco> i think it was removed from something like not having security updates...
[07:17] <wgrant> Right.
[07:17] <wgrant> People keep committing to maintain it, but never do.
[07:17] <wgrant> So we keep removing it.
[07:17] <om26er> how can i make diiferent settings for two different sessions
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> Tor lost its maintainer.. so is not in the repos.
[07:17] <om26er> moblin-session gnome-session
[07:18] <hifi> karmic gets shipped with old sqlite, noo
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  what sort of 'settings'  are you refering to?
[07:19] <om26er> Dr_Willis: different themes, fonts,
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  since they both use gtk stuff.. proberly not an easy way to do it.
[07:20] <om26er> Dr_Willis: but it is possible?
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Im pretty sure moblin uses gtk.
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  this is linux anything is possible
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> You could set up all sorts of fancy scripts and things and move stuff about if you wanted to
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> or you could just make a 2nd user for moblin and use him.
[07:21] <om26er> Dr_Willis: that's a great sugestion
[07:21] <om26er> lemme try
[07:21]  * Dr_Willis figured that would been the logical thing to do  to begin with. :)
[07:21] <almoxarife> anyone have a link to how to 'use alsa as default sound in karmic'? everything seems to work on upgrade except volume applet
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> I see in the future a need for a #ubuntu-moblin channel. :)
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> or perhaps a #ubuntu-netbook
[07:23] <aprilhare> interesting. pdf plugin works in epiphany too.
[07:23] <mysticdarkhack> anyone else experience problem in totem with the plugin youtube and bbc with codec error?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> Totem alsays seem to have problems for me.. whats the exact problem this time?
[07:24] <mysticdarkhack> hold on
[07:24] <almoxarife> mysticdarkhack: I tossed totem for mplayer and vlc, both work fine
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> i also tend to toss out totem
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> it tried to download plugins/extensions/whatever and always failed.. then rarely played what i wanted..and had limited feature set
[07:25] <almoxarife> anyone else using alsa as default sound?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> it does work sometimes.. :) but ive had it lock up way too much
[07:25] <mysticdarkhack> Message: Error: GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error.
[07:25] <mysticdarkhack> gstffmpegdemux.c(1243): gst_ffmpegdemux_open (): /GstPlayBin2:play/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin0/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin20/ffdemux_swf:ffdemux_swf0:
[07:25] <mysticdarkhack> Input/output error
[07:26] <mysticdarkhack> sorry about that
[07:27] <mysticdarkhack> that the error when trying to play youtube video
[07:27] <almoxarife> mysticdarkhack: any utube?
[07:28] <xiambax> almoxarife, you ever try SongBird?
[07:28] <xiambax> I mean mysticdarkhack
[07:28] <mysticdarkhack> almoxarife, when you run totem, select youtube plugin on the right list, and search a video, and when playing, error message appear
[07:29] <xiambax> SongBird also has a youtube plugin
[07:29] <fcuk112> what's the best way to get 2.1 sound from a 5.1 soundcard?
[07:29] <mysticdarkhack> I see
[07:29] <mysticdarkhack> I'm just testing things around and report problem
[07:29] <almoxarife> I don't have totem installed
[07:30] <mysticdarkhack> I haven't really play with songbird in awhile
[07:30] <xiambax> its getting nicer and more stable
[07:30] <xiambax> Mind you I have 4 gigs of ram
[07:30] <xiambax> So i dunno
[07:31] <mysticdarkhack> I do have mplayer, smplayer and vlc for all my media goody
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> Ive had issues with songbird lately
[07:31] <almoxarife> mysticdarkhack: my guess, you don't have all the codecs
[07:31] <mysticdarkhack> I do have all codec ty
[07:31] <xiambax> mpg123 yo!
[07:31] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:31] <xiambax> What are your issues with songbird?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> it dont run :)
[07:32] <xiambax> Works fine on my system
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> somthing to do with gstreamer conflicts or somthing.
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> i last tried about 3 weeks ago
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> What one did you get? from teh songbird homepage? or some ppa?
[07:32] <xiambax> i think i downloaded it maybe
[07:33] <xiambax> yeah i downloaded it from songbird
[07:33] <almoxarife> thus far if I was going to have one player I would say VLC would be it, it may not be sexy, but it works
[07:33] <mysticdarkhack> totem need a re-work in the near future
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> totem needs a   boot to the head. :)
[07:33] <mysticdarkhack> xiambax make sure of any dependency when install songbird
[07:34] <almoxarife> any experts on 'alsa' default?
[07:34] <xiambax> naw, no issues thus far
[07:35] <mysticdarkhack> guess will see what the dev will do before release this week
[07:35] <xiambax> http://i37.tinypic.com/34iofeo.png see, aint it perdy
[07:35] <almoxarife> sexy
[07:35] <almoxarife> very sexy
[07:36] <xiambax> Its the most visually pleasing media player for linux
[07:36] <xiambax> by my terms
[07:36] <xiambax> Mind you it lags a little. Could just be me but doubt it
[07:36] <xiambax> Its a work in progress but people must be using it if they are still doing work on it
[07:37] <mysticdarkhack> maybe gnome should consider songbird in media player
[07:37] <xiambax> http://www.getsongbird.com/
[07:37] <mysticdarkhack> just as brasero default cd/dvd burner
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Ok. this is weird.. I got Songbird.XXXXX.tgz on the desktop.. but the shell is not showing it...
[07:38] <xiambax> ls -a
[07:38] <xiambax> now?
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> neither is mc showing it...
[07:38] <xiambax> you sure it went to desktop not /downloads
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> its on the Desktop
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> it was in Downloads and not seen.. so i moved it to Desktop
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> weirdness
[07:39] <almoxarife> or perhaps to root desktop?
[07:39] <xiambax> I downloaded. Extracted and moved to /home/user/.songbird/
[07:39] <xiambax> then made a shortcut
[07:39] <mysticdarkhack> all download is store in the Downloads folder
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> AHA
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> it helps if i keep the ssh sessions on the OTHER desktop :)
[07:40]  * Dr_Willis closes the ssh session to the fileserver
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> There it is. :P
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> whats what i get for having identical homes on different machines. :P
[07:41] <mysticdarkhack> here, get songbird here http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=songbird
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> at least i dident 'sudo reboot' the wrong box.
[07:41] <mysticdarkhack> that probably easy for ya
[07:42] <almoxarife> I really want a usb toaster for xmas
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Trying songbird from the songbird homepage right now
[07:42] <mysticdarkhack> Dr_Willis, get songbird from the link I sent
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> too late. :P
[07:43] <mysticdarkhack> it easier
[07:43] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:43] <mysticdarkhack> ;p
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> easire then extracging a tgz :) to the users home dir..
[07:43] <mysticdarkhack> guess u loke the hard way
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> finding the download in my Downloads dir was the harder part
[07:44] <mysticdarkhack> anwya
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> plus ive seen getdeb be out of date befor.
[07:44] <mysticdarkhack> either way is fine
[07:44] <mysticdarkhack> not really
[07:44] <almoxarife> I need a freenode net closer to WA
[07:44] <mysticdarkhack> same version as the website
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> seems to be working now. not getting the gstreamer erors i was getting a few weeks back
[07:45] <McShane> is there a way to permanently authenticate an internal drive mount?
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> Then again  - given all the stuff i tried 3 weeks ago to get it working.. might of finally got working. :)
[07:46] <mysticdarkhack> probably from the latest updates
[07:46] <musikgoat> McShane: not sure if its the only way, but you can add a password file option to your /etc/fstab
[07:46] <musikgoat> McShane: and create a .mountpasswd file in your home
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> this is the down-and-dirty testing machine. with all the cruft ive been betatesting.. its due for a clean reinstall in a few weeks when 9.10 gets finalized
[07:46] <mysticdarkhack> look forward to see 10.04 in developement soon
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> McShane:  clarify what you are trying todo?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> McShane:  if you want to auto mount a ntfs partition. make a fstab entry for it.
[07:47] <mysticdarkhack> well i'm off
[07:47] <McShane> Dr_Willis: I'm trying to mount sda3, which is an ext3 partition for random storage
[07:47] <mysticdarkhack> later all
[07:48] <musikgoat> McShane: and you are required to give user/pass to mount?
[07:48] <McShane> musikgoat: yes
[07:49] <McShane> musikgoat: well, just the admin pass, technically
[07:49] <McShane> musikgoat: And I'm the admin
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> McShane:  add a proper fstab entry for the drive
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> and the permissions of the files/dirs on the filesystem have to be correct ifyou want users to access the data
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. songbird wants me to subscribe to listen to last.fm   ;( not going to happen
[07:51] <musikgoat> McShane: I believe the "defaults" option should suffice for the fstab entry, so it could go like /dev/sda3 /media/storage defaults 0 0
[07:52] <McShane> musikgoat: I'm going to check it out in pysdm
[07:52] <musikgoat> ok
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> err.. it may be best to just edit the thing manyally
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> i recll issues with pysdm last i tried it
[07:57] <McShane> there we go, just had to check a few boxes in pysdm
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> its still a good idea to learn how fstab works
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> what line did pysdm add to the fstab anyway?
[07:58] <McShane> true
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> just to see what it REALLY did do  :)
[07:58] <xiambax> Anyone know here to can get boxee for 9.10?
[07:58] <McShane> owner,errors=remount-ro,users,user
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. users/user options for ext3 seems  pointless..
[07:59] <McShane> yeah, I can tweak it later
[07:59] <McShane> it's not set by UUID either, but I'll live
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> --> /dev/sda1  /media/whatever  ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> is the basics of what i got.
[08:01] <draconis> if devicekit is supposed to replace HAL... why is hal still installed and required by everything... including Xorg
[08:01] <Snotty_> very good day for all. I have a problem. I have Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 and everything has been fine until my upgrade stopped work. I can update but i cant upgrade. This message comes when  update: "Run a partial upgrade to install as many..." and then comes stopped mark and says: "Program List is broken" what to do? I cant even upgrade from shell
[08:03] <draconis> my keyboard is disabled on reboot and i have to replug.. this isn't extremely major, but it is rather annoying... and occurs with vanilla packages, Fedora, etc
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  same reason we still have  a lotof the sysv/init.d scripts there also..
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> it will eventually replace HAL i guess..
[08:04] <Snotty_> my adobe flashplugin error also come... "try reinstall it" but i my upgrade wont work
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  it works once..then after a reboot it then dont work?
[08:04] <draconis> err, after a resume, I meant to say
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> Oh,, resume.. :)
[08:04] <draconis> this is, apparently, because the device numbers change and Xorg doesn't get the message
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> thats a whold differnt pile of stinky fish. :)
[08:05] <draconis> there's way more than fish in that pile
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> just be glad it does work after you replug it. :)
[08:05] <draconis> yeah, that's true
[08:06] <draconis> also, audio has turned into a horrible mess.. now at least it's just fiddling around with manual handling of media keys
[08:07] <draconis> but, this is with HARDY too.. that's ubuntu-2 (going on -3)
[08:09] <kandjar> hi there; i m installing 9.10rc1, regarding the filesystem, is ext4 completely stable now?
[08:10] <draconis> well, as ext3 sometimes still gets hosed, I wouldn't count on
[08:11] <draconis> most seem to consider it stable enough
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> ive had more issues with hard drives failing.. then filesystems having issues...
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> but it always pays to have backups
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> would you call 'ntfs' competely stable? :) how about fat16? :)
[08:12] <draconis> those are worse
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> lets go back to using clay tablets!
[08:14] <musikgoat> anyone else get system reboots when loading the x64 desktop cd, either live or install?
[08:15] <xiambax> whats the name of the gnome sound mixer
[08:16] <musikgoat> system supports x64, was running jaunty x64 but mbr is broken, tried loading the x64 karmic rc and the system just reboots after i select either option
[08:16] <draconis> speaking of that... is there a way to set gnome to NOT use pulseaudio at all
[08:16] <musikgoat> the i386 version works
[08:16] <musikgoat> draconis: there are some wiki walkthroughs for removing it
[08:17] <emilys> hi guys.. i experienced it is hard to upload photos in facebook, is it problem with java? ubuntu? or firefox? and is there any way to fix this?
[08:17] <draconis> well, I removed it, gnome doesn't seem to handle it with the keyboard shortcuts
[08:17] <draconis> or the gnome mixer
[08:17] <luke-jennings> I have an encrypted home partition which is on a different partition to my root .If I do a clean install how do i set ubuntu to decrypt my current encrypted home?
[08:20] <xiambax> weird.
[08:21] <xiambax> i can see the input coming in and the level bouncing as its getting audio
[08:21] <xiambax> but it isnt playing through my speakers
[08:30] <luke-jennings> anyone?
[08:31] <xiambax> stu
[08:31] <draconis> whatever the answer, I'd be very careful and back the whole thing up, unencrypted
[08:33] <luke-jennings> draconis I will be doing that. Its anoying as doing clean installs is so easy with unencrypted home partition
[08:33] <xiambax> anyone know why i can see the sound jumping up and down on my mic input but its not playing through my speakers?
[08:34] <MrMadMoneyMan> If I install the RC...   Will I need to do anything when the final release comes out?
[08:34] <innomen> Wanting to duel boot xp and karmic, any tips/warnings? is there a guide?
[08:34] <MrMadMoneyMan> or just normal apt-get updates
[08:34] <draconis> xiambax: you mean when you try to record it?
[08:34] <xiambax> no i just want to play it out through my speakers
[08:34] <xiambax> im lining out my macbook to my system
[08:34] <xiambax> so i can use my speakers
[08:35] <xiambax> its not a mic
[08:35] <xiambax> its a stereo line
[08:35] <xiambax> my card can take stereo through it
[08:37] <draconis> pulseaudio might let you route it to the speakers... maybe
[08:37] <mac> http://feelthehack.altervista.org/downloads.php
[08:39] <innomen> !duelboot
[08:39] <innomen> !grub2
[08:43] <barry> Hi all.  How can I gather info for troubleshooting with the new kernel. Is there a boot log or something?  I'm now using the last kernel in the list to boot and have no sound.
[08:46] <xiambax> i gave up and moved my computer and put it into line in
[08:46] <xiambax> instead of microphone 2
[08:46] <xiambax> and now it works
[08:50] <aboSamoor> Hi, I installed karmic rc as a fresh install. There is no auto complete in the terminal ! ?
[08:51] <Ian_Corne> update
[08:51] <aboSamoor> Ian_Corne: update what ?
[08:51] <Myxb> does anybody have troubles with gnome screensaver and mplayer? mplayer does not switch it off while playing. the repo version as well as the svn version from source.
[08:52] <Ian_Corne> it probably wont help aboSamoor but always update your system to the latest
[08:52] <Ian_Corne> and i think you actually have to enable tab completion in your bashrc
[08:52] <Docteh> how do I debug the init system?
[08:53] <DanaG> xiambax: google for pulseaudio module-loopback
[08:53] <aboSamoor> Ian_Corne:  my bashrc is empty !
[08:53] <DanaG> that'll do what you want.
[08:53] <DanaG> It just takes a bit of figuring out how to do it.
[08:53] <xiambax> meh, its working now
[08:53] <DanaG> And given the time, I need to go to bed.
[08:53] <Docteh> actually is anyone working on iscsi booting right now ?
[08:53] <xiambax> I have a house full of drink 19 year olds
[08:53] <xiambax> so im hiding in my room and listening to techno on boxee
[08:56] <LogicHoleFlaw> I upgraded my 9.4 netbook remix laptop to 9.10 and now i've got xubuntu splash screens everywhere. anyone know where I can turn those back to the defaults?
[08:57] <wgrant> Myxb: I remember back a couple of years ago when I maintained mplayer in Ubuntu, we carried a patch to disable GNOME Screensaver that wasn't upstream. That might have been dropped at some point.
[08:57] <LogicHoleFlaw> update-alternatives didn't seem to do a whole lot when I checked the splash screen settigns.
[08:59] <Myxb> wgrant: ah, yeas, i saw something to the effect. under jaunty, however, both svn and repo version worked fine. is it possible that the screensaver is stopped in a different way than before?
[09:00] <Myxb> * now
[09:00] <blaamann> Is there a version available with a customized version of KDE for netbooks in Karmic?
[09:01] <LSD|Ninja> There's a kubuntu netbook remix in the works
[09:01] <aboSamoor> from where can I get an ubuntu default bashrc ?>
[09:01] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, there is a roadmap for one
[09:01] <blaamann> But no 9.10 rc?
[09:02] <LSD|Ninja> How are you supposed to configure indicator-applet-session? I want the icon and the IM options, but I need to get rid of Fast User Switching.
[09:02] <Docteh> aboSamoor: bash.bashrc in the bash package
[09:02] <redtapemedia> hello all. I was just wondering is there a 9.10 minimal installation CD image available?
[09:02] <LSD|Ninja> bazhang: I coiuls have sworn I saw ISOs for it. Perhaps I was mistaken.
[09:03] <wgrant> Myxb: Hm, that is interesting.
[09:03] <wgrant> blaamann: KNR doesn't have an RC, however it does have a daily live CD which might be OK.
[09:04] <blaamann> ll
[09:04] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, I'll take another look, perhaps I was wrong
[09:04] <aboSamoor> are you sure no one faced a problem with bash for a fresh install ? I think it is a bug not to have bashrc copied to the home folder !
[09:04] <blaamann> wgrant: Thanks.
[09:04] <bazhang> LSD|Ninja, check what wgrant said
[09:04] <wgrant> blaamann: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[09:05] <blaamann> wgrant: *downloading*
[09:05] <LogicHoleFlaw> hmm, maybe an update-initramfs + update-grub will get that persnickety bootsplash ><. rebooting.
[09:05] <LSD|Ninja> I just re-checked my local mirror (I didn't see it the first time) and right at the bottom is a "kubuntu-9.10-rc-netbook-i386.iso"
[09:06] <wgrant> blaamann: It might not work, but it's worth a try. It's frozen just like the rest of Ubuntu, so if it works it shouldn't break later.
[09:08] <bazhang> nice :)
[09:09] <wgrant> Oh. I didn't see that, right down the bottom of the normal Kubuntu index.
[09:09] <wgrant> A bit odd, to merge the two flavours like that.
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> wgrant: I missed it the first time I looked too. I was looking for "netbook-remix" tagged isos
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[09:22] <tavish> i'm not able to add the 9.10 cdrom, http://pastebin.com/f26953d8c
[09:24] <DanaG> "removed wireshark-root.desktop to discourage running wireshark as root"
[09:24] <DanaG> Okay, then how the heck ARE you supposed to capture packets?
[09:24] <DanaG> It sure won't work as non-root.
[09:24] <wgrant> DanaG: tshark
[09:24] <DanaG> That's lame.
[09:24] <wgrant> Or something else less crap.
[09:25] <DanaG> Can you at least pipe one into the other?
[09:25] <wgrant> Have you seen the number of CVEs that Wireshark has?
[09:25] <DanaG> I want to be able to watch it realtime with the GUI.
[09:25] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu tavish using this guide?
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> hi guys i just connected with my cellphone a blackberry curve with my ubuntu laptop via bluetooth
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> but i am not able to transfer
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> files or view phone's contents
[09:26] <tgpraveen1> can this be done out of the box in karmic ? or do i have to install something else
[09:27] <tavish> bazhang: yes, i had to use the iso, so i mounted it on /media/cdrom and then used apt-cdrom -m add
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> I found i had to initate the pairing from the phone -> pc   not from pc-> phone here
[09:27] <tavish> but it says, the packages dont exist
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> and even then i couldend send stuff to the phone. but the phone could sent to the pc..
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> but i used the BLUEZ tools for that.
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> I couldent browse the phone files at all
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> tried this on 2 different phones.. so it may depend on the bt device
[09:29] <tgpraveen1> Dr_Willis: i think the software for file transfer is not present at all
[09:29] <tgpraveen1> can anyone say if true or not
[09:31] <aboSamoor> I reinstalled bash and bash-completion but still no bashrc written to my home folder !
[09:32] <wgrant> aboSamoor: A package will never touch your home directory.
[09:32] <wgrant> aboSamoor: You can find the default bashrc at /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:33] <aboSamoor> wgrant: I made a fresh install and it is supposed to be there, do you think it is a bug ?
[09:33] <wgrant> aboSamoor: As long as we're talking about .bashrc and not bashrc, yes.
[09:33] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, reinstalling system applications does not change your home contents
[09:39] <tgpraveen1> Dr_Willis: hmm looks like i can transfer files i just sent a file from pc to phone yaya!
[09:41] <aboSamoor> wgrant: against which package I should report it ?
[09:41] <wgrant> aboSamoor: I don't know. But are you quite sure it wasn't then when you installed?
[09:42] <wgrant> Is it there on your other systems?
[09:42] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, ls -ltr /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:42] <aboSamoor> wgrant: quite sure, I have to copy it to get bash completion working
[09:42] <bazhang> tavish, still looking, haven't found anything yet
[09:43] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: eid@TheOracle:~$ ls -ltr /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:43] <aboSamoor> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3180 2009-09-14 08:09 /etc/skel/.bashrc
[09:43] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, and your user was created during this install ?
[09:43] <tavish> thanks bazhang , i think i will do a fresh install
[09:44] <joaopinto> I mean, during the install phase ?
[09:44] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: no, it was old
[09:44] <bazhang> tavish, what about using the alternate installer instead
[09:44] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, so there is no bug, your problem was with a previous user creation
[09:44] <joaopinto> upgrades are not expected to touch your bash customization
[09:45] <JoshuaL> first ubuntu booted pretty fast, now its as fast as my girlfriends laptop with XP and normally i would beat her by at least 10 seconds..
[09:45] <JoshuaL> :(
[09:45] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: it was fresh install but I did not format the home partition
[09:45] <tavish> bazhang: but then, ill have to download from the internet, i have a slow connection. took many hours for the iso download
[09:45] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, like I said, fresh install does not change user settings, your problem is with user settings
[09:45] <wgrant> aboSamoor: Ah, so it wasn't really a fresh install.
[09:46] <wgrant> aboSamoor: If you preserve /home, it will not recreate the home directory.
[09:46] <wgrant> So it will not touch it.
[09:46] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: anyway to check my home folder for missing files ?
[09:46] <Axius> Did someone tried Ubuntu 9.10? How is it comper to 9.04 version?
[09:47] <JoshuaL> Axius, its pretty good :)
[09:47] <JoshuaL> some things have improved
[09:47] <JoshuaL> like notifyosd
[09:47] <bazhang> tavish, could you pastebin the errors you get when you try to upgrade
[09:47] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, erm, you are not understanding what we are telling you
[09:47] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: it seems so :)
[09:48] <tavish> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/f26953d8c this is when i try to add the cdrom to sources
[09:48] <Axius> The boot has improved on ubuntu 9.10?
[09:48] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: the important thing that it was not a bug, I will create a new user to have everything as it supposed to be :)
[09:48] <bazhang> tavish, eliminate the deb
[09:48] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, user's default files are install related, those are set when you do an user creation, and preserved with your /home
[09:49] <bazhang> tavish, infront of cdrom:
[09:49] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, if you want to get all the new defaults, you need to create a new user or move your home to something like user.old
[09:49] <aboSamoor> Axius: not for me, 9.04 -> 40s vs 9.10 -> 80s
[09:49] <JoshuaL> Axius, it looks prettier, but for me it didnt improve
[09:49] <JoshuaL> i find it even slower then before
[09:49] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, and then move your data (without the settings) from your home
[09:49] <JoshuaL> while some previous alpha's where pretty quick
[09:49] <joaopinto> JoshuaL, there are some reports about karmic beeing much slower, related to disk I/O I believe
[09:50] <joaopinto> I mean, slower on the boot
[09:50] <tavish> bazhang: edit the file in the image?
[09:50] <JoshuaL> makes sence to me joaopinto
[09:50] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: yeah, that is correct, it is reported as a bug
[09:50] <JoshuaL> laptop = low RPM's
[09:50] <JoshuaL> more disk I/O
[09:50] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: and it is not postponed to after karmic
[09:50] <bazhang> tavish, the description in the sources.list ? could you pastebin sources.list
[09:51] <Axius> that's not cool! How about random crashes?
[09:51] <tavish> bazhang: oh, got it
[09:51] <eagles0513875> Axius: you arent being to specific as to your problem
[09:52] <JoshuaL> Axius, i have not experienced any random crashes here :)
[09:52] <eagles0513875> me neither
[09:52] <eagles0513875> im on several vms and a duelboot setup
[09:52]  * joaopinto neither
[09:52]  * JoshuaL just tests it on his production laptop ;p
[09:53] <JoshuaL> best way to test for bugs is by using it actively
[09:53] <tavish> bazhang: its, says 'E: Type 'cdrom:[Ubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Release Candidate i386 (20091020.3)]/' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:53] <Axius> When will be Ubuntu 9.10 release?
[09:53] <eagles0513875> 29th
[09:53] <joaopinto> !karmic | Axius
[09:53] <aboSamoor> Axius: bug 432089
[09:54]  * JoshuaL wonders if prelinking would make sence on 9.10
[09:54] <LMJ> hi
[09:54] <LMJ> I'm testing Empathy on karmic
[09:55] <LMJ>  I would like to know if something ever try to the video over XMPP/Jabber with Empathy available on Ubuntu 9.10, I can start an audio call but video + audio never worked. I don't know if it's a firewall problem, network problem or application problem, anyone could help me out to investigate please ?
[09:55] <wgrant> LMJ: I tried it a few hours ago. It worked on the third try, after two crashes.
[09:55] <joaopinto> ouch :\
[09:56] <LMJ> I made it working but with 2 computers on the same network (both using different xmpp account)
[09:56] <JoshuaL> time to fill in some bug reports then :P
[09:57] <DanaG> Here's my collection of bootcharts:
[09:57] <LMJ> and SIP works with your empathy ? mine can't register my both account...
[09:57] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[09:57] <DanaG> Mmmeah, kind of slower than before, I think.
[09:57] <bazhang> tavish, my sources list for the cdrom has gutsy main restricted at the end
[09:57] <aprilhare> LMJ: did you test your video input? some webcam drivers got dropped for some reason from 2.6.31 kernel in karmic (mine apparently was one): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[09:58] <aprilhare> goodonya ubottu you're a great unsentient bot
[09:58] <aprilhare> :)
[09:58] <aprilhare> or is that insentient? anyhow.
[09:59] <LMJ> it's possible to have an issue even vlc/cheese read the video stream fine ?
[09:59] <Axius> What kernel version is used in Ubuntu 9.10?
[09:59] <wgrant> LMJ: Not unless you're very unlucky.
[09:59] <wgrant> Axius: 2.6.31.something
[10:00] <obeliscum> kernel 2.6.31.14
[10:00] <LMJ> got a logitech on one side, nothing on the other side
[10:00] <wgrant> obeliscum: No. 14 is the Ubuntu ABI version.
[10:00] <Axius> that's cool stuff!
[10:00] <wgrant> 2.6.31.4
[10:01] <wgrant> Plus various other patches.
[10:01] <JoshuaL> i saw that there is a new ati driver, will ubuntu update it automaticly or not?
[10:01] <obeliscum> wgrant, loook:
[10:01] <obeliscum> Linux obeliscum-desktop 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:01] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:01] <wgrant> obeliscum: Right. -14 is the ABI version.
[10:01] <wgrant> And the upstream point release is not in the Ubuntu version string.
[10:01] <obeliscum> and what is the ABI Version ???....i just did "update-manager -d" from my 9.04
[10:02] <wgrant> obeliscum: It is somewhat complicated, and not something you really need worry about.
[10:02] <obeliscum> ok...I can still living wihtout it .......hahaha
[10:02] <obeliscum> thx anyway
[10:03] <aprilhare> update-manager has gone quiet (not usual for an 8 hour period) - on purpose?
[10:03] <wgrant> aprilhare: What do you mean 'gone quiet'?
[10:03] <aprilhare> wgrant: nothing on offer
[10:04] <wgrant> We are really, really frozen, and the release manager is asleep.
[10:04] <aprilhare> cool :)
[10:04] <aprilhare> except i hope i get support for my webcam at some point :)
[10:04] <obeliscum> My real (and only prob right now is the Nvidia drivers......the only Vers. thta works for me is the really old 173.14.20 from envyng.....if I try any other NVidia drivers , even from the official site installer the X doen's load, and I only can login from CTRL+Alt+F1,2,3 etc......but no form CTRL+Alt+f7 or any X
[10:04] <aprilhare> poor useless webcam.. :(
[10:04] <wgrant> obeliscum: You should not attempt to use versions downloaded from the nvidia website.
[10:05] <wgrant> We provide an installer for a reason.
[10:05] <aprilhare> wgrant: not to hassle you too much, but will you be offering a karmic package for acroread?
[10:05] <wgrant> aprilhare: No. Adobe forbids redistribution.
[10:05] <obeliscum> yeah....I never do thta, but the 185 from the repos have the same behaviour thta I say........Monitor goest to "power save mode" when it's loading, and only have Text Terminals
[10:06] <aprilhare> wgrant: can i stick with the partner one from jaunty then?
[10:06] <obeliscum> the only way I have X system up and working is with 173 version (Really old)
[10:06] <wgrant> aprilhare: Ah, partner is another matter (it is not part of Ubuntu).
[10:07] <wgrant> aprilhare: But partner has a Karmic one.
[10:07] <aprilhare> wgrant: it does? i haven't found it (amd64)
[10:07] <LMJ> There is a function in Empathy "Help > Debug", gonna see if I could report a bug
[10:08] <wgrant> aprilhare: Ah. The one in Karmic is actually a copy of an old Jaunty one, which didn't build on amd64.
[10:08] <obeliscum> wgrabnt, can you say me something about my last msg ????.....please !!!......THX A LOT
[10:08] <wgrant> obeliscum: I don't know, sorry. I avoid nvidia like the plague.
[10:09] <aprilhare> wgrant: it seems to work - except for the plugin which is a bit of a hit and miss affair (especially with failfox)
[10:09] <obeliscum> ok......thx.........
[10:09] <aprilhare> but i'll be interested to see the karmic one if/when it gets built :)
[10:10] <eagles0513875> anyone on ubuntu server im seeing a rather peculiar bug with it on a vm
[10:11] <eagles0513875> anyone :(
[10:12] <wgrant> eagles0513875: Describe your problem.
[10:12] <eagles0513875> im trying to edit a conf file and for some reason it displays root and when i hit enter it shows root@localhost in a diagonal line
[10:12] <zoidfarb> hey all, so I'm running 9.10 RC, and I did a fresh install but preserved my old home directory, but I have a strange glitch: when I click on a folder in "Files and Folders" it tries to open them with VLC instead of Nautilus. Any idea how I can fix that?
[10:12] <bazhang> tavish, what about adding it via the graphical interface? seems to be glitch with either the sources.list file description or the path to the cdrom
[10:13] <tavish> bazhang: i was trying that, but it doesnt help. same thing happens now too
[10:14] <drbobb> hey, I'm seeing a small cosmetic defect in my karmic - the busy-cursor seems to go away after a while
[10:14] <aprilhare> lots of arguments regarding missing karmic amd64 acroread https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/437566
[10:14] <wgrant> drbobb: When?
[10:15] <eagles0513875> wgrant: this occurs in an ubuntu server i have running karmic
[10:15] <drbobb> what I mean is, when I click on a link in firefox, the cursor stays as was, instead of showing the busy cursor until page loading completes
[10:15] <DanaG> Acroread does one thing evince doesn't: image smoothing.
[10:15] <eagles0513875> wgrant: i mean in a vm
[10:15] <DanaG> Though it's lag-tastic on scrolling.
[10:16] <bazhang> tavish, I'm out of ideas, sorry not to be of any help at all
[10:16] <DanaG> I mean, try reading this in evince:
[10:16] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/214%20topic%205.pdf
[10:16] <robin0800> zoidfarb: yes plug in a memory stick open the computer icon select properties and ad in openwith open folder make it the default
[10:16] <DanaG> It'll make you feel like your eyes are going to start bleeding.
[10:16] <drbobb> and it's not that the busy-cursor shape is missing altogether, because it was showing up as expected for a while, but at some point it stopped to appear
[10:16] <tavish> thanks bazhang :)
[10:17] <aprilhare> DanaG: quality bad
[10:18] <rapman> Hi! Anyone expecting problems with wifi connection in kernel 2.6.31.14?
[10:18] <DanaG> Yeah, but tell that to my course instructor.
[10:18] <DanaG> =þ
[10:18] <aprilhare> DanaG: i've run across a few pdfs that don't work in evince at all. it doesn't support latest versions of PDF spec
[10:18] <DanaG> Not a thing I can do about it, aside from image smoothing.
[10:18] <bazhang> rapman, which chipset do you have
[10:18] <DanaG> Oh, and try selecting text in it... the OCR's failures (due to poor quality) are amusing.
[10:19] <rapman> rt61pci module is used
[10:19] <arianit> hi I'm getting "NetworkManager is not running" message on 9.10
[10:19] <rapman> worked perfectly with older kernel in jaunty - 2.6.28.16
[10:20] <aprilhare> DanaG: thats not surprising it was produced by old version of adobe software after all :) ocr done by software that produces pdf, not the reading app
[10:20] <rapman> after upgrade to 9.10, signal is very low and I am often disconnected
[10:20] <bazhang> rapman, tried the livecd yet?
[10:20] <DanaG> Actually, old adobe software is not the issue... poor quality scan IS the issue.
[10:21] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps I should try running it through the OCR software that came with my parents' new OfficeJet.
[10:21] <rapman> No, I did upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 via update manager
[10:21] <DanaG> anyway, time for bed.
[10:21] <DanaG> Sun Oct 25 03:21:53 PDT 2009
[10:21] <eagles0513875> besides my problem of root displaying as a cascading effect it also causes the vm to lock up and im unable to type at all or see anything if i do type
[10:23] <aprilhare> nighty night DanaG
[10:24] <Guest29421> hy all... I have a broken upgrade to 9.10 rc
[10:24] <Guest29421> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300503
[10:24] <Guest29421> now, I am on th elive CD, and hav esound
[10:24] <Guest29421> the question is, how do I transfer my sound settings from the live cd to the install :)
[10:24] <Guest29421> one more detail to note - my upgrade did not install any kernels, and I'm still with my old 9.04 SERVER kernel
[10:24] <Guest29421> which is odd...
[10:25] <Guest29421> tried apt-geting the linux-image generic package, did nothing
[10:26] <arianit> I'm getting "NetworkManager is not running..." message on 9.10. Any ideas?
[10:27] <om26er> arianit: network not managed?
[10:27] <om26er> arianit: sudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[10:28] <om26er> managed=true??
[10:29] <Guest29421> how do I install the 9.10RC kernel into my sistem, if it's still using the 9.04 server kernel on an upgraded 9.10 RC?
[10:29] <arianit> om26er: I saw that on the forum and changed it to true. still not working though
[10:30] <om26er> arianit: sudo apt-get --reinstall install network-manager
[10:30] <om26er> arianit: if you ha wired internet
[10:30] <arianit> om26er: I don't
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: any other network manager installed??
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: ok
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: try this
[10:31] <arianit> no other network manager
[10:31] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid
[10:31] <om26er> after essid type the name of your wireless network
[10:32] <pradeep__> I am about to upgrade my jaunty to the karmic rc. Any advicess?
[10:32] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid TP-LINK && sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:33]  * om26er TP-LINK is the essid of my wireless network
[10:33] <om26er> and if there is any wep key then add it after TP-LINK
[10:34] <pradeep__> I am about to upgrade my jaunty to the karmic rc. Any advicess?
[10:35] <om26er> pradeep__: do it and love karmic
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> pradeep__: backup
[10:35] <pradeep__> om26er: Grub2 will installed??
[10:36] <om26er> pradeep__: yes it will ask you
[10:36] <Guest29421> how can I replace my 9.04 kernel (server) with the RC one aafter upgrade? it's still the old server kernel
[10:37] <Guest29421> and with the old server I have no sound
[10:37] <Guest29421> only have sound on the live cd...
[10:37] <Guest29421> which is odd, too odd
[10:37] <arianit> om26er: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid LALAV password && sudo dhclient wlan0 ?
[10:38] <JoshuaL> i found it rather confusing that GRUB 1.97 is GRUB2 :(
[10:38] <om26er> arianit: yes
[10:38] <pradeep__> Ian_Corne: yes i am backing up. I have many things installed.. so upgrading. can't do a fresh install
[10:40] <arianit> om26er: "iwconfig: unknown command "password""
[10:40] <om26er> w8
[10:42] <Guest29421> cmon, noone knows how to install the default kernel on an upgraded system?
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_NETWORK_NAME_HERE
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo iwconfig wlan0 key YOUR_WEP_KEY_HERE_OR_"off"_FOR_NO_KEY
[10:42] <om26er> arianit: sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:43] <om26er> arianit: first do this sudo apt-get purge network-manager && sudo apt-get autoremove
[10:44] <arianit> 1 min
[10:45] <robin0800> om26er: how do you do WPA ?
[10:45] <om26er> robin0800: my network is not secure
[10:45] <Guest29421> how can I install the 9.10 RC kernel on an 9.04 - > 9.10 RC upgraded system, if my system used 9.04 server kernel and is continuing to use the old kernel even now?
[10:46] <om26er> robin0800: kiddin i don't know about that
[10:47] <om26er> any ubuntu moblin remix user??
[10:48] <arianit> om26er: output after key line: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): / invalid argument "password".
[10:48] <om26er> arianit: which security are u using
[10:50] <Guest29421> anybody?
[10:50] <arianit> om26er: WPA
[10:50] <Guest29421> nobody knows how to install the default kernel on the 9.10 RC?
[10:51] <arianit> if I plug the cable, (I had problems with it before so I'll likely lose connection for a bit) what should I do
[10:52] <om26er> arianit: i dont't know about wpa sorry
[10:52] <om26er> gtrg
[10:52] <om26er> gtg
[10:53] <Nexos> Hi. Just upgraded to karmic from Jaunty, and all videos (but flash ones, like youtube) lack the "red" part. Tried with mplayer, vlc for XVID,DivX and DVD. I use nvidia driver. Any idea what could cause this?
[10:53] <Nexos> I upgraded nvidia driver, with no success
[10:54] <arianit_> om26er: if I plug the cable (I had problems with it before so I'll likely lose connection for a bit) what should I do
[10:55] <Guest29421> how can I install the 9.10 RC kernel on an 9.04 - > 9.10 RC upgraded system, if my system used 9.04 server kernel and is continuing to use the old kernel even now?
[10:57] <dmatt> Guest29421: it is not correctly upgraded system, check sources and try to finish upgrade
[10:57] <Guest29421> dmatt: sources are ok, upgrade is ok too
[10:57] <Guest29421> it's using old kernel because I used the server kernel
[10:57] <Guest29421> I need to install the default, non-server kernel
[10:57] <Guest29421> but don't know how
[10:58] <Guest29421> sources get automatically modified by the upgrade process, I did not manage them by hand and yes, I looked at them and they're fine
[10:59] <dmatt> just find linux-something package in package manager and install it
[11:00] <Guest29421> no that would not work
[11:00] <Guest29421> I tried linux-image and installed
[11:00] <Guest29421> did not add kernel to grub or install
[11:01] <dmatt> then install it from shell with sudo apt-get install lnux-image... and watch for any errors
[11:02] <Guest29421> that's what I did
[11:02] <Guest29421> no errors
[11:04] <dmatt> do you have grub1 or grub2?
[11:05] <phnom> Hi, everytime I run ldconfig it keeps telling me "/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link". Why and does this affect operation?
[11:06] <dmatt> run update-grub
[11:06] <Guest29421> sais linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic is already the newest version
[11:07] <Guest29421> wow update-grub found lots of things...
[11:07] <Guest29421> I'll reboot now
[11:07] <Guest29421> btw... what is the latest kernel version in 9.10 rc?
[11:07] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic?
[11:08] <Guest29421> and how do I use my 6GB ram with the generic image, is that possible?
[11:08] <Guest29421> dmatt, do you know?
[11:09] <Guest29421> damn.. using server kernel I have no sound, using the default kernel - no ram
[11:09] <Ian_Corne> install the -pae kernel?
[11:10] <dmatt> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic is latest available and you should be able to use memory, if you have x86_64
[11:10] <Guest29421> I have installed the 32 bit initially
[11:10] <Guest29421> that's why I used the server kernel to use all the ram
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> the linux-image-2.6.31-14-pae
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> use that
[11:10] <Guest29421> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.31-14-pae
[11:11] <Guest29421> root@ubuntu:/# apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.31-14
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86/x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-server - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> linux-image-2.6.31-14-virtual - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86/x86_64
[11:11] <Guest29421> that's all I see
[11:12] <evident> hi everybody...
[11:12] <locum> hi
[11:12] <gartral> hi all, i have 9.10 up in a vm.. how long is the configuring apt part of the install supposed to take?
[11:12] <locum> i dont know in vm
[11:12] <gartral> locum: ussually?
[11:13] <locum> gartral, ussually take the same time
[11:13] <locum> as normal install
[11:13] <evident> i am having a problem after updating to karmic koala: my menu in my top bar is not showing up... I see the individual icons and meters I added there and on the right side the system icons as well as the date/time... but on the left side there is no "Applications, Places,System" menu anymore. Can anybody help me?
[11:13] <locum> maybe a little more but no much
[11:14] <gartral> locum: ok, on an i7 860, with VT enable, NP off.. 4 "cores" to vbox
[11:14] <Guest29421> http://etherpad.com/NbTh3OpP3i
[11:14] <Guest29421> here is the output of update-grub
[11:14] <Guest29421> but when I open menu.lst, the file is not updated???
[11:14] <locum> gartral,  shit with that hardware must be a blink
[11:14] <locum> lol
[11:14] <evident> this didn't happen after I updated to the better, but i noticed yesterday... not sure if it came after the update to the release candidate...
[11:15] <locum> i got a problem with my mic
[11:15] <locum> doesnt work at all
[11:16] <locum> sound card intel 82801G ich7
[11:16] <locum> anyone have some clue?
[11:19] <gartral> locum: noe
[11:19] <Guest29421> omg why the hell is it sayin git's updating grub when in fact it's not updating grub?
[11:19] <gartral> YAY
[11:19] <locum> ops
[11:19] <evident> i am using gnome by the way... anybody have an idea?
[11:20]  * Dr_Willis missed the question
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> the app/places/system menus are handled by a panel applet. perhaps it crashed/got removed
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> make a new user - see if it works for them
[11:21] <evident> can i try to update the panel applet somehow? maybe it'l fix it
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> add-to-panel -> 'menu bar' or 'main menu'
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> try re-adding it
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of fun things to add to the panel
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> :
[11:22] <evident> ahh ok that worked...
[11:22] <evident> still weird why it got lost
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> some times if the applets crash. they dont get restarted
[11:23] <evident> ok thx...
[11:24] <evident> another question: is it possible to turn the top menu bar to the original size again (24px)? The properties say it is set to 24 but it shows up bigger... in comparison with the bottom bar...
[11:24] <evident> the icons that are shown are just bigger...
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> the sizes are customizeable via the right click menus i recall
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> properties -> size in pizles
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> heh - set the size to like 210 pixles  and notice what icons are SVG and what ones are just bitmaps :)
[11:27] <evident> ok and I would have to switch the bitmap ones to scalable ones and then it should get smaller again?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Not sure. the only svg icons i got in my panel are for the bluetooth applet and the  netwokr applet
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> the rest look real funny when i make the panel 200+ pixles high
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> but i set i back to 25 and they all look fine
[11:33] <evident> hmmm.... well when putting it up all icons are being scaled finely except the pidgin icon, the network icon and the envelope icon on the right... the pidgin icon looks "pixelish" and the network and envelope icons stay small... but they are actually the size that fits in the 24px menu bar... I'll try and see if i can change it somehow
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> those are theones hadled by the apps theirselfs
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> so good luck with that.
[11:34] <i_is_broke> 4 more days...:D
[11:35] <gartral> is installing the beta nor
[11:35] <gartral> now
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> The RC is out. :)
[11:36] <gartral> bwahahahahan NO FAIR
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> been out for like 3 days+
[11:36] <gartral> took me a day and ahalf to download the cddd once >.<
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> install them upgrde i guess :)it wnt matter much
[11:36] <gartral> sticky d
[11:37] <i_is_broke> i have an issue with boot right now peeps, this computer boots like super slow, hell i have and old p3 that boots faster then this thing..:(
[11:38] <i_is_broke> when booting it sits at the flashing cursor for a couple of minutes before it brings up the usplash, anyone else having this issue?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> so after grub you select an item.. then it waits with a _ blinking for a while?
[11:40] <i_is_broke> no i dont select anything from grub, after the grub screen i have flashing cursor, then splash..like a normal boot.
[11:42] <i_is_broke> guess i should say that im running a all intel board , with a 2.5 gig celeron  with 2 gig of ram.
[11:47] <Heikki123> i don't know if this problem is related to skype or other things in ubuntu... but my camera is not really working with skype
[11:47] <Heikki123> it is in supported cameras list
[11:47] <Heikki123> in the test o only see lots of noise
[11:48] <Heikki123> s/o/i
[11:53] <coz_> hey guys after last update  I no longer get  image previews on the desktop  ? any ideas?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> just the Desktop? or in all directories?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> Im gettting previews here of jpgs
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> well of SOME jpgs
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> thats odd
[11:59] <cowgarden> hey ho, I can not update somehow, hashs of 2 files are wrong
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> and if i look at the ones that are not showing a preview (double click to load) then  use the reload button i then DO get previews of them
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  been seeing that on and off   for the last 2 days.. not sure whats going on.
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  try a diffrent mirror for the packages perhaps
[12:00] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, ok, I'll just try later again than
[12:00] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, hm, don't know how
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> could be some servers missed a update/sync or somthing
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> I use the mirror select feature in the package manager
[12:01] <cowgarden> ah
[12:01] <cowgarden> I'm using the update manager right now
[12:02] <cowgarden> ah ok, guess i did it
[12:02] <cowgarden> thx
[12:05] <cowgarden> will the pidgin replacement support OTR any time soon?
[12:05] <cowgarden> and is there a replacement for epiphany or it it just dumped?
[12:06] <wgrant> Epiphany (the browser) is still around...
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis has no idea what OTR is.. and never uses either IM client
[12:06] <wgrant> In full WebKit glory too.
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> i just use firefox. :P
[12:07] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, firefox does not open a 9MB html with some CSS :)
[12:07] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, and does not run smooth n my EEE either
[12:08] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis,  and OTR is great encryption for IMing (you really need it here in germany if you like prvacy...)
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> ff works great on my AAo - well it did.. the wife stole it..
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:09] <cowgarden> :)
[12:09] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis, ok, hash errors are fixed, now my drive is full, again :)
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Fried hash and eggs!
[12:19] <Asad2005> I am planning to fresh install 910 and have some questions. Would backing up ~/.evolution and then overwriting it in the fresh install will back up my emails and setting? Or better backing up my home folder better? Am i going to face errors due to some differences
[12:20] <cowgarden> Asad2005, it should work, but I'm no expert
[12:21] <JoshuaL> Asad2005, why a fresh install?
[12:21] <Asad2005> ok Would this command work if user is logged in rsync -avh /home/usrdir /media/disk/backup/
[12:22] <JoshuaL> sure
[12:22] <topyli> Asad2005: best to back up your whole home. In the future, it might be a good idea to put /home on a separate partition
[12:22] <Asad2005> Fresh install because my home dir is ext3 and would like to replace hard drive (bigger)and dont want to convert
[12:23] <Asad2005> To convert to ext4
[12:24] <JoshuaL> ah
[12:24] <Asad2005> topyli: Yes it is in seperate part and am going to backup whole /home and restore it to new part
[12:24] <topyli> sounds good to me
[12:24] <Asad2005> How about user name do i have to keep same name in the fresh install
[12:25] <topyli> no
[12:25] <coz_> hey guys.... since last updates I am not getting previews of images on the desktop...all other areas like home  etc are fine
[12:25] <Asad2005> ok so i will most probaply need to chown to new user
[12:26] <topyli> possibly
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  try a new user - see if it works for them?
[12:27] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  ok   I will  let me check
[12:27] <Asad2005> topyli: Can you also advice how best to carry over all installed apps to new system
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Asad2005:  i keep same user names and add them in the same order as befor. Otherwise the uid's may get out of order and need fixed
[12:27] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  actually nevermind... I just realized I have to reinstall anway after putting in new video card  :(
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> !clone | Asad2005
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  why reinstall? :) i never had to do that just for a card change
[12:29] <locum> hi got a problem, my mic
[12:29] <Asad2005> Dr_Willis: What do you mean by add them in the same order as befor. You mean give users same UID
[12:29] <locum> cant enabled mic in alsamixer capture
[12:30] <Dr_Willis>  adduser bob
[12:30] <Dr_Willis>  adduser tom
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> not... tom then bob. :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> or your uid's will be different,.   first user is 1000, 2nd is 1001 and so on...
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> not hard to 'fix' but an annoyance
[12:31] <Asad2005> Dr_Willis: Ok i am already planning one user only.
[12:34] <locum> i need help with audio issue
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> one user will be uid  1000 then. :) so its not an issue
[12:35] <locum> cant enabled mic capture in alsamixer
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> name dosent matter.. uid matters
[12:35] <locum> alsa version 1.0.20
[12:36] <locum> Dr_Willis,  what do u mean with uid?
[12:38] <om26er> is there any multi thread downloaded in ubuntu except multiget, it ugly
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> locum:  every user has a USER ID
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> thats is what the system uses., the name is for Our benifig
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> echo $UID
[12:40] <Dr_Willis>  echo $UID
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> 1000
[12:40] <honka> guys is there a way to boot ubuntu iso from hard disk?
[12:40] <locum> ok
[12:40] <honka> there has to be a way
[12:40] <richardcavell> honka: no there isn't
[12:41] <richardcavell> you have to burn it to a CD
[12:41] <honka> yes there is
[12:41] <locum> Dr_Willis,  any idea about my problem?
[12:41] <honka> first I need to unpack it
[12:41] <honka> my problem is what parameters to use for grub to load ubuntu
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> locum:   i rarely have sound issues.. I just use the alsa/pulse configs and check the mic :)
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> I did have to move the mic to a diffrent plug on the backi recall
[12:42] <docmax> is the upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10 going without problems?
[12:42] <locum> Dr_Willis,  well in my case its a notebook so i only got 2 stacks
[12:42] <honka> the whole ubuntu is in /caster directory
[12:43] <honka> so I just need to point grub to load the files from there
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> casper you mean.
[12:43] <honka> yes
[12:43] <honka> but
[12:43] <honka> I do not know what parameters to use in grub
[12:43] <locum> docmax,  if u have an acer
[12:43] <docmax> acer?
[12:44] <locum> its a mayor fail with acer aspire
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> honka:  what are you tryuing todo exactly?
[12:44] <docmax> do i have to uninstall 9.04 ?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> locum:  err.. my AAO has a built in mic..  that worked i recall...
[12:44] <honka> to boot ubuntu live from hard disk
[12:44] <honka> like I can do this with gparted
[12:45] <locum> as far i know kernel turns off fan, and notebook shutdown
[12:45] <honka> obviously one partition from the hard disk will be locked
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> You are booting theubuntu ISO file from hard drive? or what exactly honka ? i think we've missed something here
[12:45] <locum> Dr_Willis,  i dont understand u
[12:45] <om26er> which linux filesystem is good for media and other files. extx take space with them
[12:45] <honka> yes yes
[12:46] <honka> exactly this is what I wanna achieve
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> honka:  if you have grub2 installed you can boot an iso with that.. i have the  grub2 entry here.. just a min.
[12:46] <honka> I do not understand grub2
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> do not understand what part  of grub2?
[12:46] <honka> I I do not know how to make enties in its grub.cfg file
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> on a installed system you dont edit the grub.cfg directly
[12:47] <om26er> Dr_Willis: which opensource filesystem is good for media files and document and it should not take so much space with it like EXT
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  i dont find ext2/3/4 taking much space at all...
[12:48] <om26er> Dr_Willis: format a filesystem btrfs, fat or ntfs they take space in kb's
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB          ---> example grub2 entries to boot ubuntu iso files
[12:48] <honka> so I'll use old grub versions
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> honka:  grub1 can NOT boot iso files
[12:48] <cowgarden> updating will leave my grub untouched, will it? or does it have to change kerner versions in menu-lst or something?
[12:48] <om26er> Dr_Willis: format a drive to ext it takes more than 200mb on 8gb media
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> cowgarden:  in theory yes. grub1 shouldent be touched
[12:48] <honka> well I have to unpack the iso
[12:48] <cowgarden> *kernel
[12:49] <cowgarden> Dr_Willis,  ok :)
[12:49] <honka> and put the bare directories
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  you are confuised..  the system RESERVES 5% for 'rescue' purposed... thats customizeable via tune2fs
[12:49] <honka> and grub can use them to boot
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  you can set that to 0% if you wanted
[12:49] <cowgarden> is grub2 faster?
[12:49] <docmax> 9.04 -> 9.10 update no problem?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is worth learning. it will be the future
[12:50] <cowgarden> ok :)
[12:50] <om26er> Dr_Willis: so which FS should i use
[12:50] <docmax> no complications? (grub1 grub2)?
[12:50] <cowgarden> docmax, you will keep grub1
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  whatever one you want..   I use ext3/4 on my 1+TB hard drives
[12:50] <cowgarden> bye and thx
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext3 if you want to  be sure older disrtos can read them.. or ext4 if you are not worried about it
[12:51] <honka> grub1 was so simple and easy to use.WHy they make it more complex.Maybe they are aiming for commercial support?
[12:51] <honka> probably.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> honka:  read the grub2 docs.. they are fixing a lot of big/old problems with grub1, in grub2
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> honka:  and LILO was simpiler still but you dont see it used much any more
[12:52] <eitreach_> Is there any way to get mouse gestures in Compiz back in 9.10?
[12:52] <honka> yes and remove the simplicity of maual entry adding.
[12:52] <honka> lilo went down because ubuntu choose grub for boot loader
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> honka:  edit grub.cfg if you want.. it can be done...
[12:52] <Dr_Willis>  lilo went down way befor ubuntu
[12:52] <honka> and ubuntu is the most popular linux distro
[12:53] <honka> I even uninstalled the grub2 and it did not want go get away from my pc
[12:53] <honka> weird
[12:54] <honka> I still see it loading
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit  /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f6bcf946e
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> My customized entries for grub2 to boot a iso for ubuntu and other disrtos.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> from my laptop :)
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> ive even made a few customized usb flahs drives with Grub2 that boot  the ubuntu.iso file
[12:57] <honka> is that 40-custom file ?
[12:57] <honka> I think it is located in /etc/grub/
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> that is my 40_custome file yes...
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> its in /etc/grub.d/
[12:57] <honka> mistake
[12:57] <honka> yes
[12:58] <vak> Hi all,  libglibc-2.0-0
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> i have a little 2 gb partition (i call tiny) that has some live cd/distros and iso files on it as a rescue partition
[12:58] <honka> after you boot the iso which partition of your hard disk  is locked if there is any?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> honka:  none are locked that i noticed.. its possible that  the one the iso is on would be  some how mounted/locked
[12:59] <vak> I have troubles with libglibc-2.0-0 that refers to a symbol that can't be found during the link-time
[12:59] <vak> so I can't really perform an update for a month already or so...
[12:59] <honka> ok
[13:00] <honka> do you have any ideas why after I removed the grub2 using synaptics It still boots up my pc?
[13:00] <vak> can anyone support me and bring my karmic to the life again, please?
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> untill you install another boot loader.. the grub2 loader is still on the MBR
[13:01] <honka> O my god
[13:01] <honka> ok
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> logical :)
[13:03] <Willex> Hi, I just upgraded to Karmic and I was wondering if there's a way to include the indicator-applet to the main menu or if not add a shutdown button to the menu?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> you could always add a menu item that does 'gksudo shutdown' i guess
[13:03] <honka> 10x for the info about the grub2 entries.It is very useful info for me.
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is the wave of the future :)
[13:05] <honka> the more complex something becomes , the more it gets bugged
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> go back do dos then i guess..
[13:06] <honka> I'll try to boot ubuntu with old version and unpacked directories.
[13:06] <honka> and grub0.4.1
[13:06] <honka> just to see
[13:07] <honka> if it works
[13:08] <Willex> is there a bug that prevents cd/dvds from mounting?
[13:08] <Willex> I can't find them :S
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> not that i have heard of...
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> some times it fails to auto-mouint my usb drives..   not sure why it does that
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> if i log out/back in - it sees them... then after about an hr or 2 it stops again
[13:09] <Willex> usb works fine for me
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> not tried lately  or any disks..
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> I plug in flash drive. It dosent auto-mount, or show it on the desktop... still....
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> dmesg shows it
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> trying an audio cd
[13:12] <Willex> there isn't anything I could be missing?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[13:12] <Willex> cds should be supported automatically lol?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> ive filed a few bug reports on the usb thing.
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> a music cd worked here just now
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> HAL is being replaced by some other tool.. and i think the 2 are still conflicting in some areas
[13:14] <Willex> tried both a video DVD and a custom CD and nothing pops up here...
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> i went to computer -> cd/dvd
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> so  i dont know if it would of auto-poped up befor that or not
[13:14] <nonix4> Which (GL) programs would you recommend for stress-testing UXA?
[13:15] <_thieu> what is the nvidia driver package for karmic?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> theres 3 for the different versions
[13:15] <rafferty> hello all... no sound (again) on Thinkpad x200... any solutions?
[13:16] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: right, but which one is recommended/stable?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  depends on your card.
[13:16] <robotti^> are there any from mactel support?
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> I use what Jocky reccomends
[13:17] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: ok, so i install jockey and run it and it will keep my kernel up to date with that driver?
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> jocky is allready installed
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> its what the hardware-driver tool runs
[13:17] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: im on kubuntu and it does not run automagically
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> system -> admin ->  hardware drivers
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> or try jocky<TAB>
[13:18] <_thieu> yeah, running jockey-kde now
[13:19] <spaceBARbarian> how do i change my boot menu with grub2 ?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> edit the proper config files and rerun update-grub
[13:19] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: it recommends version 173, but it annot be activated, so i'll install it with apt-get
[13:19] <Dr_Willis>  depending on whaat it is you want to change
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  that tool can install it. :)
[13:19] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: i wish
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> _thieu:  it installed it here...
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> click, activate.. it downloaded/installed
[13:20] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: there's two options, and i cannot select any
[13:20] <_thieu> it wont activate
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> run it as root perhaps?
[13:20] <_thieu> ay
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> not as a user. :P
[13:22] <jonathan1> hey guys, when upgrading to 9.10 with update-manager-d
[13:22] <sdg> WTF why is there a police helicopter circling my house?!?!??
[13:22] <jonathan1> which version am i getting?
[13:22] <jonathan1> rc?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> yes it should be rc jonathan1
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> theres no wayit can be any other version :)
[13:22] <sdg> WTF it's landing 50 metres away.
[13:22] <jonathan1> yeah i was wondering because
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> sdg:  run! they found your pot plants!
[13:22] <jonathan1> im missing some packages that i know should be there
[13:22] <jonathan1> ie empathy
[13:22] <sdg> Dr_Willis: FUCK
[13:23] <jonathan1> doing lsb_release gives me 9.10 then
[13:23] <jonathan1> though *
[13:23] <jonathan1> so im confused :S
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> 9.10 is 9.10... so....
[13:23] <jonathan1> yeah mmm
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> I just use apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[13:24] <jonathan1> done that already :\
[13:24] <_thieu> Dr_Willis: sudo did not help, used apt-get ...
[13:24] <BUGabundo> !language | sdg
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> heh
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> a little late.. the cops got him allready
[13:25] <C-S-B__> anyone else having troubles with grub-pc package freezing when performing update?
[13:27] <om26er> Wubi for windows7 is it available yet??
[13:28] <BUGabundo> om26er: I think so
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> oooooooooh baracuda!
[13:30] <om26er> ActionParsnip: can wubi be installed on win7
[13:30] <om26er> there are people that i wan't to try ubuntu
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> om26er: i guess, i use neither but it makes sense
[13:33] <onats> hi, is 3d acceleration not working properly yet?
[13:33] <Ian_Corne> onats: what gfx card?
[13:33] <onats> ati
[13:33] <onats> 3870
[13:34] <Ian_Corne> installed the priopetary driver?
[13:34] <Ian_Corne> it works fine for my 4870 btw
[13:34] <onats> Ian_Corne, downloaded the ones from ATI
[13:34] <onats> hardware drivers show that its active but currently not in use
[13:34] <yermandu> where is alsaconf?
[13:34] <spaceBARbarian> how do i run vbeinfo while in ubuntu ?
[13:35] <spaceBARbarian> for getting which resolutions grub supports
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: the whole boot of the OS should take around 15 seconds, is it really worth it?
[13:35] <spaceBARbarian> well if its possible :P
[13:36] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, and it takes less than 15 seconds for me :D
[13:36] <penguin42> 15 seconds? How did you manage that? Got SSD?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> exactly, so time spent maybe changing ome res is pretty pointless dont you think
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: just got sata2 here, i reduced crap with bum
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> when ya get 2+week uptimes... :P
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> its all pointless
[13:37] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: bum?
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> !info bum
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> does bum handle the Upstart services now? i never noticed
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: that too dude. people fretting over something thats gonna be on the screen for very little time is pointless
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> will someone kick ubottu please
[13:38] <arand> om26er: Yea, I think we don't have proper w7 wubi support on this release, a real shame I must say...
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> bum does NOT appear to hanle the stuff handled by Upstart
[13:38]  * Dr_Willis would be happy if Wubi vanished
[13:39] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, i am getting "No path or device is specified" when trying to update grubcfg
[13:39] <om26er> arand: what you mean by proper. is it partial??
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> wubi is about as smart as the gentoo liveCD
[13:40] <arand> hmm, dunno, it's a great mitigator of bug 1 I guess
[13:40] <ActionParsnip>  i dont think bug1 is a bug
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:41] <yermandu> ubottu, alsaconf
[13:41] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how to fix the "No path or device is specified" error with update-grub ?
[13:41] <arand> No, neither do I, but canonical does afaik.
[13:42] <arand> om26er: there seems to be successes (although this is older versions...) http://www.clububuntu.com/2009/01/how-to-solve-windows-7-and-ubuntu-810.html
[13:42] <penguin42> gentoo have a liveCD?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: god yes, its a complete joke
[13:43] <Ian_Corne> onats: don't do that
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> use the ubuntu driver
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> gentoo's installcd has been a live cd for ages.. a very basic live cd. :)(
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: with the whole ethos behind gentoo, making a livecd was possibly the stupidest thing ever
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> or you could use about any disrto to install gentoo :)
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: oh this thing gives a full desktop like the ubuntu one
[13:44] <om26er> arand: thnx. will try on someones computer
[13:44]  * penguin42 seems to remember the gentoo installer consisting of a shell prompt with a few echo's 
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  that must be a new one. :)
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  last one i tried was still basically a console.. there are some gentoo variants i recall with full live cd/desktops
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: its not too new but if you think about it, its astoundingly stupid
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> i always used a live cd or somthing soi could follow the docs in a browser, and cut/paste the commands and irc while it installed
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> so whatever.. :P
[13:45] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how to fix the "No path or device is specified" error with update-grub ?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> actually i think last time i got the gentoo core going and then used ssh from a 2nd pc to do the rest of the work
[13:45] <BUGabundo> !ping
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> !pong
[13:46] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, got this message while updating but the wicd site seems ok:  Could not connect to apt.wicd.net:80 (69.163.171.130), connection timed out, http://apt.wicd.net karmic/extras
[13:48] <spaceBARbarian> can someone please help me with my grub problem :(
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i just tried to open it with a browser and its not connecting
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: server is down
[13:48] <om26er> no what what ubuntu says but it again thows you to use dos fs while making a bootable usb
[13:49] <om26er> it should be some linux fs
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  Huh?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, ok thanks , the sourcforge site seems ok ..gonna check at #wicd
[13:50] <om26er> Dr_Willis: a live usb is made only if its in fat filesystem
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> what does?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> ive made live usb's with ext2/3 and vfat
[13:51] <macsim> hi all, I got a problem with aptitude dist-upgrade, it freeze on memtest and grub-pc, I'm the only one ? if not do you know how I can fix that ? thanks
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> just did a dist-upgrade here with no problems to that macsim
[13:54] <macsim> Dr_Willis, I googlize and found some guys said they fix this with installation of grub, but karmic doesn't use grub ? isn't it ? is it a good idea to install it ?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  9.10 defaults to grub2
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> which is also called grub-pc
[13:54] <Dr_Willis>  old grub1 is also called grub-legacy
[13:55] <jim_from_pa> I could not install any GDM them on U9.10 beta, will they change this with the final ver?
[13:55] <macsim> Dr_Willis, ok so I can install grub-pc is Confilt state now and grub2 is not installed
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> jim_from_pa:  i doubt it.. gdm has been totally redone.. gdm themes are  not a feature yet
[13:55] <jim_from_pa> that's a shame
[13:55] <om26er> jim_from_pa: that's a shame on u
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> set gdm to auto login.. and it wont matter :)
[13:56] <jim_from_pa> what is difference between grub and grub2?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> jim_from_pa:  1000000000+s of things
[13:56] <jim_from_pa> true
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> like going from LILO to grub..
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> its radically differnt
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:57] <om26er> Dr_Willis: can grub 2 turn out be faster for boot in future??
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> and 1/2 its featuress are not even there yet.
[13:57] <macsim> Dr_Willis, so it's not normal if my upgrade freeze on grub-pc configuration ?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  proberly. but i dont find grub2 to be the main boot bottle neck :)
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  i wouldent think so
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> i never upgrade - i did clean installs
[13:58] <yermandu> Dr_Willis, i return to old grub man
[13:58] <macsim> Dr_Willis, I have not upgrade, it's a fresh install from karmic 2 day before the RC
[13:58] <jim_from_pa> I prefer clean also
[13:58] <om26er> Dr_Willis: 10 sec boot will it exclude initrd as  moblin do??
[13:58] <macsim> Dr_Willis, when I said upgrade it's aptitude upgrade
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> macsim:  i just did a update/upgrade/dist-uppgrade every day here for the last few weeks and not had any issues
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  no idea.  Im not too worried about 15 vs 10 sec boots.. or 50 sec boots
[13:59] <macsim> Dr_Willis, ok so I check the log and if found what's wrong I'll post on launchpad
[13:59] <macsim> Dr_Willis, thanks for help
[13:59] <yermandu> tnx
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, heh, I asked if the devs at wicd were holfing back til the offoicial release and  a jerk replies, no , the world doesn't revolve around ubuntu ..some attitude, very helpful :)
[14:01] <Dr_Willis_> ask them if theur program was so good.. why isent it the default in ubuntu
[14:01] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[14:02] <spaceBARbarian> !grub2
[14:03] <Dr_Willis_> yep - going to have to all get our grub2-fu skills up to  par soon
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: has a point though
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , I suppose Icould have asked if the server was down
[14:06] <Dr_Willis_> it could also be they are waiting... :)
[14:06] <thiebaude> hey everyone
[14:07] <BluesKaj> no harm done , wicd still works well here
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> i dont use it, i use the interfaces file
[14:07] <mickep> Hi, running RC. My screen goes blank although I set it to never do that. Any ideas?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> interfaces file?
[14:08] <VXxed> Hey guys.
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: /etc/network/interfaces
[14:08] <VXxed> I have a question about 9.10 on laptops that was sorta fixed from 9.04 to 9.10
[14:09] <Dr_Willis_> mickep:  theres the screen saver settings.. then thers the power saver settings.. ive noticed a similer thing also
[14:09] <om26er1> VXxed: and it is?
[14:09] <mickep> Dr_Willis_: oh, fine, I'll check the screen saver setting (which I until now did not touch)
[14:09] <VXxed> My tablet fans arent spinning up until waaaay late.
[14:10] <VXxed> And xsensor is saying internal temps are 0C
[14:10] <VXxed> So I'm really worried about the cpu damage and whatnot..
[14:11] <Pilif12p> Hi, i installed 9.10RC via the distro update, and now i have the image on my drive somewhere, and i want to delete it because i only have 1 GB left on my HDD now
[14:11] <mickep> Dr_Willis_: ah, thanks, it was set to 5 mins, which is more or less what I experienced aswell. I consider the problem as fixed
[14:11] <Dr_Willis_> 'the image' ? hmm
[14:11] <Pilif12p> Whatever it downloaded...
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: sudo apt-get clean will reduce fluff
[14:11] <om26er1> Pilif12p: type sudo apt-get clean
[14:11] <Pilif12p> I had 3 GB left, now i have 1
[14:11] <Pilif12p> ah. okay
[14:12] <om26er1> Pilif12p: it might help
[14:12] <Dr_Willis_> time to clean out the HD. :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: you may want to uninstall old kernels
[14:12] <Pilif12p> Dr_Willis_: SSD
[14:12] <Pilif12p> Thanks.
[14:12] <Pilif12p> That freed up about a GB
[14:13] <Pilif12p> only a few MB less of what i had.
[14:13] <om26er1> Pilif12p: yeah
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, not much there : auto lo,  iface lo inet loopback ..I assume you did some editing to make it work as a network manager
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: if you run: uname -a; dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[14:13] <Pilif12p> Ubuntu 9.10 is incredible...
[14:13] <Pilif12p> ActionParsnip: What does that do?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i know, you use the gui tool. Mine is very populated due to thats how I configure my connections
[14:13] <VXxed> Strangely enough, it also beats the linux bad-gui-stigma
[14:14] <spaceBARbarian> can someone pastebin me their /etc/grub.d/05_debian_them
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: the first command shows the running kernel, the 2nd command shows the installed kernels
[14:14] <Pilif12p> ah
[14:14] <Pilif12p> Its fine :)
[14:14] <Pilif12p> 3 GB is enough for me :P
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Pilif12p: if you have limited space, you should remove the old kernels as they take up about 120Mb a kernel
[14:14] <VXxed> So..erm..can I get help with my fans?
[14:14] <Pilif12p> Until i need moar... then i plug in the 80 gig
[14:15] <spaceBARbarian> can someone pastebin me their /etc/grub.d/05_debian_them
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: http://pastebin.com/f125a68f0
[14:16] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, thanks
[14:16] <Dr_Willis_> back it up now befor chanbgeing it :)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: ive never modified those files so that is a standard file
[14:16] <Dr_Willis_> I gave my grub a nice pretty background
[14:17] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, yeah the error went away when i put your default version in, i guess its having trouble reading the image or something
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yeah Dr_Willis_ I converted a pic of a canoe on the beach at the family cottage to a tga file and I use that as a grub background
[14:18] <VXxed> iS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO CONTROL MY LAPTOP FANS?
[14:18] <VXxed> Er
[14:18] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  it can use png :) and jpeg i belive also
[14:18] <VXxed> Whoops, caps..
[14:19] <VXxed> But yeah.  Is there a way for me to control my laptop fans?
[14:19] <ghatak> Hi, Ubuntu One client on my my 9.10 never connects. anyone else having same issues ?
[14:19] <honka> can you control them in windows?
[14:19] <VXxed> Dunno.  Can't install it
[14:19] <om26er1> ghatak: no
[14:20] <om26er1> works fine for me
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: isnt it on the screen for like a second?
[14:20] <VXxed> No cd drive, tablet won't boot from usb either
[14:20] <Guest10153> hi! i am havin a serious problem. i am running karmic and did a upgrade yesterday. now today linux wont start with a kernel panic "VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". the root fs is a ext4. grub loads the ext2 module (?). any advice on how to fix grub?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, I tried jpg , but no luck , and I noticed the splash files in /usr/share/images/grub file were all under 900kb
[14:20] <Dr_Willis_> ive used larger ones i think BluesKaj
[14:24] <ghatak> om26er1: any idea what do i do to check what is wrong with mine ?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, I have my timeout set to 10secs in /default/grub
[14:24] <ubuhantu> hi.. im using ubuntu nbr karmic rc. the problem is i cannot find desktop switch. please help me.. thank you
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: why?
[14:24] <om26er1> ghatak: retry
[14:24] <BluesKaj> so I can boot into windows without rushing :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> if i need to
[14:25] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip, there is an error on this wiki, when backing up the theme it tells you to just rename it to .backup, but the thing will still get executed when you update grub
[14:25] <spaceBARbarian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[14:25] <om26er1> ubuhantu: its not in karmic
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: ive not played with grub, i think grub2 is massively OTT
[14:25] <Dr_Willis_> i think it may be said to make it unexecutable earlier in the wiki
[14:26] <om26er1> ubuhantu: but you might install it
[14:27] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : please tell me how to install it
[14:28] <om26er1> ubuhantu: i tried to find the package but i failed to find it
[14:28] <om26er1> ubuhantu: in jaunty i searched netbook in synaptic and desktop switcher was there but now i can't find it
[14:29] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : ok, maybe we need to wait for other to help us :)
[14:30] <[V]ortex`> hello i was advised not to update to karmic on the release day itself; is this advise sound?
[14:30] <om26er1> ubuhantu: or u might try logging out and see if there is another session
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, any idea why only one of the nondefault splash screens that are so called installed, is listed in system settings splash screen manager option
[14:30] <om26er1> ubuhantu: i can't cuz nbr is being installed atm
[14:31] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  hmmm
[14:31] <ubuhantu> om26er1 : ok, i try.. hold on
[14:31] <VXxed> Does anyone know how I can figure out how to gain control of the face buttons on the tablet monitor?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, I must hve installed at least 10-12 , but only one shows up
[14:31] <Dr_Willis_> where exactly BluesKaj ? i dont even have a system settings splash screen..
[14:31] <om26er1> configuring apt is still at 80% what will happen if i skip it
[14:32] <Dr_Willis_> theres way too many splashes and  stuff these days
[14:32] <om26er1> at the moment i have a very slow internet
[14:33] <Buuntu1> can someone help me with a problem I'm having after trying to upgrade to Karmic?  I can't boot up... Here's the exact problem -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8162956#post8162956
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, the gnome equivalent must exist
[14:34] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: I don't think a clean install would be as bad as you think
[14:34] <ubuhantu> no desktop switcher on ubuntu nbr karmic rc :(
[14:34] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: last time I did that, all my links and programs didn't work
[14:35] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: my guess is because I only copied over the home directory
[14:35] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: what links and programs?  ff links?  programs you installed after the fact?
[14:35] <om26er> ubuhantu: tell me
[14:35] <ubuhantu> om26er : no luck
[14:36] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: hmm, I don't exactly remember.  Also, I've installed a lot since the last backup I made...
[14:36] <om26er> ubuhantu: w8 let me search
[14:36] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: well, you could probably boot with a livecd
[14:36] <ubuhantu> om26er : okay
[14:36] <Shapeshifter> humm. karmic is a bit broken. When I boot it, it takes a while and the shows the desktop, but for about 40 seconds I can't use the gnome-panel (only the desktop) and the tray area is missing. Then it appears and everything is fine. And if I shut down or log out, it says that power manager isn't reacting and I can choose to exit anyway. And if I log out, the login greeter doesn't appear. I needed to restart gdm manually.
[14:37] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: with that, you can check the install, fix any upgrade errors
[14:37] <ChogyDan> Shapeshifter: try: sudo apt-get remove sreadahead         may that improve boot speed
[14:38] <om26er> ubuhantu: its called desktop-switcher and its discontinued
[14:38] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: will a Jaunty live CD work?
[14:38] <honka> what is sreadahead for?
[14:38] <om26er> honka: speed
[14:38] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: possibly.  I really don't know the ramifications of that, but I would give it a try
[14:39] <ubuhantu> om26er : is that mean we cannot use desktop switcher anymore?
[14:39] <virtuald> boot speed
[14:39] <om26er> ubuhantu: yes
[14:39] <[V]ortex`> hello is it wise to download 9.10 on the day of release or should i wait?
[14:39] <honka> I do not think so.If it was for speed then it would not be included , since it slows down, as he suggested to be removed
[14:39] <ChogyDan> [V]ortex`: use a bittorrent
[14:39] <om26er> ubuhantu: gtg install complete
[14:40] <ubuhantu> om26er : ok see ya later
[14:40] <ChogyDan> honka: it is a boot pre-cacher of sorts.  It is for increasing boot speed
[14:40] <[V]ortex`> ChogyDan: i am unable to bittorent
[14:40] <honka> ok
[14:40] <Buuntu1> ChogyDan: I'm not really sure what to do once I get in the live CD though, I guess I can copy over /home at least?
[14:40] <Shapeshifter> ChogyDan: boot speed is fine for a ubuntu, but it's freezing gnome-panel. I doubt readahead is the problem here.
[14:40] <ChogyDan> honka: but, it can clash with the kernel and slow things down instead
[14:40] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: yea
[14:41] <virtuald> honka: if you've updated your boot programs it needs to "profile" the next boot
[14:41] <Shapeshifter> mh now it's frozen again
[14:41] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update%20Failure
[14:41] <Pilif12p> Also, whats "Ubuntu Firefox Modification" addon?
[14:41] <Cyberkilla> It's a shame Empathy uses the wrong status icon theme (there is a bug report on it - simply using the wrong prefix on the items or something like that)
[14:42] <virtuald> honka: that's what takes time. (unless there's a bug i don't know about.)
[14:42] <honka> ok
[14:42] <ubuhantu> anybody?
[14:42] <Cyberkilla> Some XMPP command support wouldn't go a miss either.
[14:42] <ChogyDan> Buuntu1: I think you also need to mount /dev and /sys
[14:43] <Nexos> Hi. Just upgraded to karmic from Jaunty, and all videos (but flash ones, like youtube) lack the "red" part. Tried with mplayer, vlc for XVID,DivX and DVD. I use nvidia driver. Any idea what could cause this (tried with stock & latest nvidia driver)?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Nexos: have a nvidia card here,no problem atm
[14:44] <Cyberkilla> No problem for me either.
[14:44] <thiebaude> everything is fine here, also
[14:45] <Nexos> I've only this problem for videos; everything else if fine
[14:45] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Wait, there was a problem for me in totem. I had to change the video settings in its preferences because the image was of the wrong hue.
[14:45] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Perhaps not the same problem you are having. Could there be something in nvidia-settings to fix it?
[14:46] <Nexos> I'll have a look... just a sec
[14:46] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Yup, there are definitely some XVideo settings in nvidia-settings. I don't know if it will sort your problem out, but it's worth a look.
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Nexos: yeah see the man page and try some of the rendering options given there...
[14:47] <Nexos> well I used the same driver (185) in Jaunty with no prob
[14:48] <thiebaude> Nexos: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[14:48] <Nexos> I first tried the stock one, then used a PPA to get latest driver, then activated it using "hardware drivers" (+reboot)
[14:49] <thiebaude> ahh, ok
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Nexos: so youre using a nvidia driver from the ppa and not the standard repo?
[14:50] <Nexos> shadeslayer: I had the prob with the driver from the standard repo as well (hence the upgrade)
[14:50] <Cyberkilla> The 185 drivers are different. It's .36 instead of .14 btw.
[14:51] <Nexos> I just had a look in nvidia-settings; nothing particular IMHO: all color channels active, ...
[14:51] <om26er1> can any1 give me some info about wireless networking between two linux
[14:51] <Cyberkilla> Nexos: Strange. Sorry, I have no idea in that case: )
[14:51] <om26er1> ubuntu and fedora
[14:51] <WiresAP> I just installed karmic koala beta on my asus 1005HA, with the encrypted home folder option chose at the install time. At the beginning of the first boot, I was told I was going to enter a second password for this option, which I could initiate with a command. Being new to Ubuntu, I hit next on the panel, rather than Launch this action now, not realiwing there wasn't a back button to compliment the next button (there reall
[14:51] <WiresAP> y should be - how might I suggest this?).
[14:52] <WiresAP> My question is: what was the command, or where might I find the documentation to this issue (I'm unsure what it is called, and thus my google results have failed me)? Thanks in advance!
[14:52] <Nexos> Could it be some codec "architecture" problem instead?
[14:53] <Shapeshifter> and now it hans at " * Loading LIRC modules" after I did apt-get install lirc.
[14:53] <Shapeshifter> *hangs
[14:53] <om26er1> is there any app for wireless networking
[14:54] <om26er1> or connection manager can do the job??
[14:54] <thiebaude> !info wicd
[14:55] <robin0800> om26er1: you don't mean sharing do you i.e. samba
[14:55] <Shapeshifter> now what do I do? It just hangs there. I did modprobe lirc_i2c lirc_dev in another terminal and they completed fine.
[14:55] <Shapeshifter> ldmod shows lirc_i2c lirc_dev and lirc_imon all running
[14:55] <om26er1> robin0800: data transfer
[14:56] <Shapeshifter> but apt-get just hangs -.- And if I kill it, then it will complain next time and if I do dpkg --configure -a it shows the debconf dialog again from lirc and will hang again.....
[14:56] <tgpraveen1> !info gnome-user-share
[14:57] <robin0800> om26er1: well you can go to any folder and right click and go to the sharing tab
[14:57] <om26er1> robin0800: and its done??
[15:02] <The_Lord_Of_The_> shouldn't we do something crazy for the launch?
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> im going to take the week off from IRC
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis_> i dont want to hear the same 10 questions asked over and over and over
[15:03]  * thiebaude im having a launch party just like the windows 7 folks
[15:03] <The_Lord_Of_The_> how about posting a giant Ubuntu poster on Eiffel Tower?
[15:03] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: We could replace you with a bot
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> I allready am a bot, :)
[15:04] <thiebaude> haha
[15:04] <robin0800> Dr_Willis_: don't blame you see you at 10.2 alpha1
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> MS new marketing slogan "Windows 7 - its NOT vista!"
[15:04] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:05] <robin0800> XP upgrade?
[15:05] <Shapeshifter> lol this is so broken.
[15:05] <The_Lord_Of_The_> have you heard any crazy ideas for the launch guys?
[15:05] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis_: i going to start saying, what is windows,lol
[15:05] <Shapeshifter> lol can't even switch to TTY1. only the mouse moves.
[15:06] <Shapeshifter> why is this so broken.
[15:06] <MrKeuner> hi, when woke from suspend my laptop suspends immediately again. Another wake attempt wakes it up fine. What may be the problem?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis_> MrKeuner:  ive notices a similer thing with screen savers/dimming
[15:06] <MrKeuner> thinkpad r52 here
[15:06] <Shapeshifter> mhh, at least magic sysrq works.
[15:06] <Dr_Willis_> MrKeuner:  in your case ive heard that the battery may not be getting read right. so it thinks the power level is critical
[15:07] <G_A_C> MrKeuner: there's at least two bugs open for that
[15:07] <G_A_C> I think one is 425411
[15:08] <MrKeuner> G_A_C, thaks, I'll subscribe to that
[15:08] <G_A_C> there's another one as well but I can't remember the number
[15:09] <Cyberkilla|AFK> My poor Banshee icon has a black background : (
[15:10] <VXxed> Question: Does anyone know how to gain control of the fans in laptops?
[15:11] <VXxed> MrKeuner: Are you sure you're not sending it to sleep and then closing the laptop thereby suspending it too, sending mixed messages?  Or is this a desktop
[15:12] <Cyberkilla|AFK> VXxed: Can you do that by echoing numbers into the right file in /proc/...
[15:13] <Cyberkilla|AFK> VXxed: Idk, I'm sure I've heard someone talk about this before.
[15:13] <MrKeuner> VXxed, that's a laptop. I am not sure if I have not done that you have described
[15:13] <MrKeuner> that's possible
[15:13] <MrKeuner> but still a bug I would say
[15:13] <sdg> I wish I had a spare USB 1GB or greater drive...
[15:14] <shadeslayer> VXxed: ik8fangui
[15:14] <shadeslayer> VXxed: although it supports a small no. of laptops and pc's its worth a try
[15:15] <VXxed> shadeslayer: Separate app?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> VXxed: yep
[15:15] <shadeslayer> VXxed: its actually : i8kfangui
[15:16] <shadeslayer> VXxed: apparently you can access them via kernel modules too : http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/index.html
[15:16] <VXxed> Should I not be using the "ubuntu software center" for this?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> VXxed: see the end of the page
[15:16] <VXxed> Because it doesn't have it
[15:17] <shadeslayer> VXxed: 1)Fans are actually controlled by the BIOS
[15:18] <om26er1> usb creator don't even format any flash
[15:18] <shadeslayer> VXxed: 2)youll need a thorough of your system inorder to use i8kfangui
[15:19] <VXxed> Wait, that's a windows app...
[15:20] <shadeslayer> VXxed: see the bottom of the page ><
[15:21] <VXxed> Y.
[15:21] <VXxed> Yar.
[15:21] <VXxed> But
[15:21] <VXxed> I'm on a fujitsu t4020 tablet
[15:21] <shadeslayer> VXxed: indian?
[15:22] <om26er1> VXxed: that would be yaar
[15:23] <shadeslayer> om26er1: you too?
[15:23] <VXxed> Do you know what a thermal indicator would look like on a motherboard?
[15:23] <om26er1> shadeslayer: no
[15:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:23] <VXxed> Because I THINK I may have messed with it when I was disassembling and fixing some wiring...if it looks like a cord with a rubber tube on it.
[15:23] <om26er1> shadeslayer: but neighbour
[15:24] <shadeslayer> om26er1: ah.. that explains it :P
[15:24] <VXxed> Alright, this thing is getting waaay hot.  Brb.
[15:24] <shadeslayer> om26er1: im from india :)
[15:24] <om26er1> shadeslayer: i guess we are neighbours then
[15:24] <i_is_broke> anyone know why a intell box would boot slow, has 2 gig of ram, 2.5 gig celeron processor, grub shows then it has flashing cursor for about a whole minute then brings up splash screen?
[15:25] <BluesKaj>  Dr_Willis_ just for your info, splash screen files can be DL'd from kde or gnome-look.org and installed right from /home/user without extracting ,using the splash screen manager.
[15:25] <lubosz> hi, i'm upgrading with update-manager. what do i have to configure in the grub-pc dialog for "Linux Command Line"
[15:25] <lubosz> it is empty by default
[15:25] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  what splash screen manager? :)
[15:25] <om26er1> can any 1 open this: https://one.ubuntu.com/auth/login/?next=/
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis_, whatever gnome uses to install spalsh screens i guess :)
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> BluesKaj:  theres none on this box..
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> but like i really need a splash after xsplash....
[15:26] <mom_> will the translations of karmic be ready this thursday as well (like the french and spanish versions)?
[15:26] <Dr_Willis_> mom_:  they should be
[15:27] <om26er1> any irc channel for chrome (browser)
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> No idea try #chrome :)
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> !list
[15:27] <Dr_Willis_> !channels
[15:28] <mom_> its the same iso image for whatever language?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> om26er1, try #chromium-support
[15:29]  * shadeslayer wonders if xsplash works with kdm
[15:33] <HardDisk> I'm wondering and probably wishful thinking that the ath5k module and the many netbook owners complaining about the wifi timing out and disconnecting and not able to wake up again won't be resolved before Karmic's release huh?
[15:34] <om26er> grub gives the error no such device UUID of my memory card. but i am still able to boot
[15:35] <Amaranth> HardDisk: Unless it's fixed already in up-to-date karmic it won't be fixed for the final release
[15:35] <jimpop> Amaranth, so why was u+1 say "file a bug" for the past week to everyone posting problems?
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: Today is the last day to get any such fixes in
[15:36] <jimpop> but will they get fixed?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> jimpop: so that they could release a fix as soon as the final release is out
[15:36] <HardDisk> Amaranth, oh I'm well aware of the uptodates even checking svn's in ppa's and such
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: But it's always good to have bugs filed so we can track them for an SRU or for lucid
[15:36] <jimpop> lol
[15:36] <Amaranth> jimpop: We don't fix every bug before release, that'd be impossible
[15:36]  * jimpop thinks everyone should wait for Lucid 
[15:36] <topyli> jimpop, it's still a good idea to file bugs. karmic will get bugfixes just like any release
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: thats what they said for karmic
[15:37] <Dai> jimpop: is there a good reason for everyone to wait for lucid?
[15:37] <HardDisk> it's just the issue that the older madwifi modules worked fine with jaunty and intrepid, when ath5k was introduced it broke it back to square 1 :)
[15:37] <jimpop> yes, apparently that's when all the bugs will be fixed
[15:37] <Dai> note: good reason, not ridiculous reason.
[15:37] <Dai> that is a ridiculous reason
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: impossible
[15:37] <Amaranth> jimpop: No, not at all
[15:37] <Dai> not a good reason
[15:37] <jimpop> lol
[15:37] <HardDisk> i think its a good reason
[15:37] <HardDisk> thats why we have LTS and the other builds
[15:37] <shadeslayer> jimpop: *everything* has bugs
[15:37] <topyli> Dai, for anyone who only runs LTS releases
[15:38] <Dai> HardDisk: then you'll never use another OS again
[15:38] <HardDisk> other builds fix the errors that leads to the next LTS basically
[15:38] <Dai> because they ALL have bugs.
[15:38] <Amaranth> LTS just means "we support this longer"
[15:38] <shadeslayer> exactly
[15:38] <Dai> look at hardy as an LTS
[15:38] <Amaranth> It doesn't necessarily mean "we made sure this was stable"
[15:38] <HardDisk> yep
[15:38] <topyli> Dai, they're still running hardy and will not upgrade until lucid
[15:38] <jimpop> Ha!
[15:38] <Dai> it was exceptionally buggy due to pulse's introduction
[15:38]  * penguin42 wishes we had a bug fix only release every so often
[15:38] <Amaranth> Although we are putting more focus on that this cycle
[15:38] <Dai> topyli: that is a good reason :)
[15:38] <HardDisk> because of all the new tech
[15:38] <HardDisk> new remix gui
[15:38] <HardDisk> new gnome
[15:39] <shadeslayer> new gnome :)
[15:39] <HardDisk> new hal
[15:39] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: no hal :P
[15:39] <HardDisk> new grub
[15:39] <HardDisk> no?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: its called udev :)
[15:39] <HardDisk> well you know what i mean :)
[15:39] <Amaranth> jimpop: But there are 72212 bugs open against Ubuntu right now
[15:39] <jimpop> yes, Karmic has more bells and whistles than Hardy.... big whoop if your network or screen won't work well
[15:39] <HardDisk> lol
[15:39] <HardDisk> reminds me back in the day with compiz
[15:39] <Amaranth> jimpop: If we stopped accepting new bug reports and spent the next 3 years doing nothing but fixing those we might knock 1/3 of them off
[15:39] <shadeslayer> jimpop: the number just keeps growing
[15:40] <HardDisk> who cares if your cube rotates and you cant play solitaire on it.
[15:40] <thiebaude> haha
[15:40] <jimpop> nice
[15:40] <Amaranth> compiz has always worked perfectly for me ;)
[15:40] <IdleOne> Solitaire is broken??? :(
[15:40] <thiebaude> HardDisk: you can still play solitaire on it,lol
[15:40] <shadeslayer> kwin works fine for the past 3 releases
[15:40] <HardDisk> just work with me
[15:40] <om26er> compiz has now become better in kicmic
[15:40]  * jimpop better understands the old-school Debian release mentality
[15:40] <Amaranth> I started on nvidia which had the best support for it then switched to intel right about the time nvidia went down the tubes and intel got all the stuff needed
[15:41] <HardDisk> btw any of you here in loco's?
[15:41] <penguin42> jimpop: Unfortunately they didn't get the bugs fixed either
[15:41] <Amaranth> jimpop: Sure but no one takes you seriously without a predicable schedule
[15:41] <Amaranth> That's why everyone except Debian sets a date for release instead of "when it's done"
[15:41] <jimpop> i suppose... but then again nobody will take you seriously with 72000+ bugs ;-)
[15:41] <HardDisk> reminds me of my ex wife
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Also everyone has the latest features except debian
[15:42] <Amaranth> jimpop: All distros have large numbers of bugs open like that, even debian
[15:42] <HardDisk> well openbsd is still lacking :)
[15:42] <Amaranth> Debian releases when all "release critical" bugs are fixed
[15:42]  * HardDisk waits for the openbsd fans
[15:42] <Amaranth> The rest of the bugs they fix on a best effort basis
[15:42] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: there are none in this channel i think
[15:42] <HardDisk> and its based on seriousness
[15:42] <BluesKaj> openbsd wouldn't run on my 64bit sys
[15:43] <Amaranth> We've fixed all our release critical bugs too
[15:43] <jimpop> when?
[15:43] <jimpop> does "fixed" also include prematurely closing bug reports?
[15:43] <HardDisk> in other words fixed all the bugs that normal people would usually complain about like why their icons arent shiny enough
[15:43] <penguin42> (Has anyone else seen a problem with dual head on Karmic where they end up mirrored on resume?)
[15:43] <jimpop> Amaranth, what about Poulsbo support?
[15:44] <Amaranth> jimpop: We can't do anything about poulsbo support
[15:44] <jimpop> haha
[15:44] <Amaranth> Talk to intel
[15:44] <jimpop> Intel says you lie
[15:44] <HardDisk> who's paul?
[15:44] <om26er> cadence as said by shuttleworth if succeeds might result in more bug fixes
[15:44] <shadeslayer> yeah whose paul :P
[15:44] <jimpop> Intel says they've done all they can do
[15:44] <Amaranth> jimpop: But you can obviously see they haven't
[15:44] <HardDisk> until amd comes up with something better
[15:44] <HardDisk> its like tom and jerry
[15:44] <Amaranth> Where is the updated driver for 2.6.31?
[15:45] <jimpop> Amaranth, no, i'm more inclined to believe Intel at this point
[15:45] <shadeslayer> jimpop: why so?
[15:45] <HardDisk> nice my netbook crashed at a critical kernel error
[15:45] <shadeslayer> (easier to blame the devs i guess :( )
[15:45] <HardDisk> time to submit..
[15:45]  * jimpop has Poulsbo drivers working on his AAO.... something that Ubuntu says is impossible an Intel's fault
[15:45] <Amaranth> jimpop: You hacked the hell out of it too
[15:46] <Kano> jimpop: which kernel?
[15:46] <penguin42> jimpop: the wiki page on paulsbo says the drivers work kind of on some kernels and some versions of X
[15:46] <jimpop> the Ubuntu+Poulsbo bug is a packaging+distro problem... yet Ubuntu continues to blame Intel
[15:46] <jimpop> Amaranth, no hacking
[15:46] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: Poulsbo : http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-IN&q=Poulsbo&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Poulsbo,+WA&ei=snLkSvXYNaXu6gOhtI3kAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ8gEwAA
[15:46] <HardDisk> jimpop your wifi still drops?
[15:46] <jimpop> HardDisk, no
[15:46] <HardDisk> why not
[15:46] <jimpop> why not what?
[15:46] <jimpop> why no drops?
[15:46] <HardDisk> you hacked and installed a broadcom?
[15:46] <Amaranth> Kano: Someone either ported the driver to 2.6.31 or reverted all the changes in 2.6.31 that made the driver fail to compile
[15:46] <jimpop> HardDisk, no
[15:46] <mom_> does karmic go on the servers at midnight GMT on Thursday?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: No
[15:47] <HardDisk> cause everyone has problems with ath5k and aao
[15:47] <shadeslayer> mom_: not necessarily
[15:47] <mom_> Amaranth, what time?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: It's usually early evening GMT
[15:47] <HardDisk> unless you're using something else?
[15:47] <Kano> Amaranth: url
[15:47] <timber> does anyone know about a bug on gnome-screensaver that the screensaver doesn't appear?
[15:47] <Amaranth> Kano: None, they were talking about it here
[15:47] <jimpop> HardDisk, i see..  well on my AAO it is and has been working fine since I figured out which drivers to install
[15:47] <shadeslayer> mom_: x Hrs x Mins x sec @ put_time_zone_here
[15:47] <mom_> Amaranth, early evening on thursday or wednesday?
[15:47] <Amaranth> mom_: thursday
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> there is no set time. :)
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> its done when its done
[15:47] <HardDisk> which drivers? it automatically loads ath5k if you're using karmic
[15:48] <MrKeuner> my mouse movements work, left clicks work but other buttons do not work, what may be the problem
[15:48] <penguin42> Amaranth: Have you any idea what it is that is posting kernel bugs to launchpad with the time and cut here text rather than the real first line of the oops?
[15:48] <mom_> Dr_Willis_, starting to sound like debian ;)
[15:48] <HardDisk> unless you're not on karmic
[15:48] <HardDisk> xp wifi never drops
[15:48] <HardDisk> karmic wifi drops
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> mom_:  no debian would say  Check the web site..
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[15:48] <jimpop> HardDisk, here's the Bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[15:48] <HardDisk> and doesnt wake up again
[15:49] <shadeslayer> HardDisk: xp doesnt have the shiny cube,karmic does... compete with that
[15:49] <jimpop> filed many weeks ago and yet goes ignored by Ubuntu
[15:49] <Amaranth> penguin42: I suppose apport
[15:49] <mom_> i was just wondering because our install party is for thursday so hopefully we can find a mirror to download a copy from
[15:49] <HardDisk> dude im just saying, im a loyal user for years, heck im the chanop for ubuntu egypt
[15:49] <shadeslayer> jimpop: its triaged,you need to get your info right
[15:49] <jimpop> lol
[15:49] <penguin42> Amaranth: It's just I was browsing bugs and there seem to be a fair number of them which can't be making life any easier
[15:49] <jimpop> its' being ignored
[15:49] <Dr_Willis_> whatever triaged means
[15:49] <Kano> jimpop: do you use vaapi?
[15:50] <penguin42> jimpop: It might not be something that can be easily fixed
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis_: basically its waiting to be looked at by some dev
[15:50] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis_: only the most important ones
[15:50] <jimpop> triaged (depending on severity) can mean sidetracked or in surgery
[15:50] <HardDisk> if only they take bribes
[15:50] <Dr_Willis_> 'its on their to do list of things to add to the real to do list'
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano,  no
[15:50] <Kano> why not, thats the best card for vaapi
[15:50] <jimpop> HardDisk, lol
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano, huh
[15:50] <Kano> thats the only thing i would test on it
[15:50] <jimpop> Kano, ?
[15:51] <Amaranth> jimpop: All the crazy stuff you had to put in xorg.conf means the driver isn't working correctly
[15:51]  * jimpop has no idea what vaapi is
[15:51] <Kano> jimpop: gma 500 has accellerated mpeg2, h264 and vc1 over vaapi
[15:51] <Amaranth> NoACPI == fail
[15:51] <Amaranth> err, IgnoreACPI
[15:51] <jimpop> Amaranth, right... what kind of AAO do you have?
[15:51] <Amaranth> jimpop: I have a real laptop :P
[15:51] <maco> aao?
[15:52] <om26er> maco: aspire one
[15:52] <jimpop> Amaranth, so i would say than that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to AAOs ;-)
[15:52] <maco> ah
[15:52] <maco> our demo machine for the last show-ubuntu-off thing the loco did was a AAO with jaunty
[15:52] <maco> worked fine
[15:52] <Amaranth> jimpop: And I would say that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to how much hackery we're willing to accept :P
[15:52] <jimpop> Amaranth, I have a "real" laptop too... but the way forward is netbooks and Ubuntu *should* be supporting them
[15:53] <Amaranth> jimpop: Putting jaunty's psb driver in karmic would require hacks in xorg as well to force those options on by default
[15:53] <jimpop> not true
[15:54] <Amaranth> And using EXA with MigrationHeuristic greedy basically disables 2D hardware acceleration
[15:54] <jimpop> the xorg-psb driver just needs to be repackaged for karmic
[15:54] <Amaranth> jimpop: No, there is more to it
[15:54] <jimpop> Amaranth, you should spend more time building something up than tearing (something you admit you don't know) down.
[15:54] <Amaranth> Because we don't want you to have to create an xorg.conf by hand
[15:55] <BluesKaj> hmm do I detect a pi**ing contest here :)
[15:56] <jimpop> BluesKaj, yep... between someone trying to get something working, and an Ubuntu member who is stonewalling
[15:56] <Amaranth> jimpop: Your method is a hack
[15:56] <jimpop> Amaranth, that is lies
[15:56] <thiebaude> lol
[15:57] <Amaranth> jimpop: That is obviously true
[15:57] <om26er> what can be said about xorg intel driver compared to the one by intel itself on windows. is it 60%capable??
[15:57] <jimpop> Amaranth, my method only involved using a Karmic PPA and 1 Jaunty deb
[15:57] <Amaranth> jimpop: You're running a driver meant for 2.6.28 on 2.6.31 and changing xorg.conf options so it doesn't hit the part of the driver that fails with 2.6.31
[15:57] <topyli> sounds like a hack to me :)
[15:57] <jimpop> Amaranth, topyli, you can call it a hack,  I call it a config
[15:57] <i_is_broke> sounds like work in progress to me..lol
[15:58] <BluesKaj> jimpop, perhaps asking for help, instead of showing attitude and negative critique would get you somewhere
[15:58] <jimpop> Amaranth, topyli, editing /etc/hosts is a hack to you?
[15:58] <robin0800> Is EXA recommended for  ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] rev 0, as xorg is not using it
[15:58] <Dai> BluesKaj: some people don't know any better
[15:58] <topyli> jimpop, whut?
[15:58] <jimpop> BluesKaj, there is no help to ask for.
[15:58] <Dai> jimpop: no, using drivers for a different kernel is a hack.
[15:58] <jimpop> BluesKaj, I have a solution that works, it's reported in a Bug, and it goes ignored. ;-)
[15:58] <jimpop> Dai, so re-compile them
[15:59] <jimpop> Brilliant!
[15:59] <Dai> jimpop: i don't need to.  YOU are the one using jaunty drivers...
[15:59] <jimpop> right, and they work
[15:59]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...
[15:59]  * Dai headdesks
[15:59] <mac_v> lol
[15:59] <jimpop> but Karmic AAO users shouldn't have to come to me to get drivers that work for their netbooks
[16:00] <Dai> i wouldn't wish that on any user
[16:00] <mac_v> !offtopic | jimpop
[16:00] <thiebaude> haha
[16:00] <jimpop> lol
[16:00] <Dai> i'd rather send them to someone less belligerent.
[16:00] <thiebaude> offtopic has been suspended.lol
[16:00] <jimpop> push the people trying to improve the product (not just improve the release schedule) to offtopic
[16:00] <mac_v> crap!
[16:01] <i_is_broke> !crap
[16:01] <maco> jimpop: whine to intel for dropping linux like a hot potato?
[16:01] <Dai> you're not trying to improve anything, you're just complaining.  if you want to fix the driver, do so.  using drivers for another release is not improving *anything*
[16:01] <jimpop> maco intel hasn't dropped it... that is just FUD you are repeating
[16:01] <Amaranth> Now if we could find the guy that actually did real work to get psb working on karmic instead of just hacking it up...
[16:02] <jimpop> Dai.. but if using drivers from another release can prove a point... then someone can take those Jaunty drivers and release them under Karmic
[16:03] <thiebaude> jimpop: good point
[16:03] <aorist> any known issues with /dev/video vanishing when upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10?
[16:04] <Petengy> hi to all
[16:04] <Petengy> I have a big problem, upgrading to Karmik my nvidia driver doesn't work anymore, I have to run ubuntu using vesa driver... do someone could help me ?
[16:05] <Petengy> I cleaned (I suppose) my system from all old nvidia drivers
[16:05] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you goto system-administration-hardware drivers?
[16:05] <Petengy> yes
[16:05] <Petengy> and I activated nvidia driver fomr here
[16:05] <Petengy> from
[16:06] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you do sudo nvidia-settings?
[16:06] <Petengy> no
[16:06] <VXxed> Hey guys, i'm back.
[16:06] <thiebaude> and save X to configuration
[16:06] <VXxed> Tablet is inally cold enough again.
[16:06] <thiebaude> Petengy: set your resolution first
[16:06] <MrKeuner> why wouldn't right click work while left click does?
[16:07] <MrKeuner> no hardware problem
[16:07] <maco> test w/ xev
[16:07] <e3co> what is the issue with 9.10 start up time? On my system is seems significantly slower then 9.04
[16:07] <mac_v> aorist: built-in webcam?
[16:07] <e3co> by around 10 sec.
[16:08] <Petengy> but nvidia settings doesn't start before to reboot the system (after activating nvidia drivers from hardware drivers) but boot stop in a black screen
[16:08] <aorist> mac_v, yes, I see in dmesg that "uvcvideo" detected it but apparently failed to initialize it
[16:08] <thiebaude> e3co: mine is
[16:08] <mac_v> aorist: acer aspire laptop?
[16:08] <MrKeuner> maco, I did it does not send anything
[16:08] <e3co> thiebaude:  your is what?
[16:09] <aorist> mac_v, no, dell m1530
[16:09] <thiebaude> e3co: slower at boot than 9.04
[16:09] <Petengy> in other worlds the only way to get inside ubuntu (for me) is to use vesa drivers
[16:09] <aorist> mac_v, camera worked w/ 9.04
[16:09] <maco> wow an unsupported mouse O_o
[16:09] <e3co> Also pidgin notifications don't work on the notify panel applet
[16:09] <thiebaude> Petengy: no
[16:09] <Petengy> thiebaude: ?
[16:09] <e3co> thiebaude:  so not just me, thats good
[16:09] <mac_v> aorist: hmm, i'm not sure then :( ... acer has a problem with its webcam
[16:09] <aorist> http://pastie.org/669029
[16:10] <om26er> mac_v: web cam fps problem?
[16:10] <MrKeuner> maco, http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=099
[16:10] <Petengy> thiebaude: it's from this morning I'm trying to solve this issue
[16:10] <MrKeuner> maco, it was working in jaunty
[16:10] <mac_v> om26er , the webcam doesnt even start ;
[16:10] <Petengy> thiebaude: I habe two black boxes under my eyes .... :)
[16:10] <VXxed> Should I have files in /proc/acpi/fan and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ?
[16:11] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you have ubuntu search for the recommended drivers?
[16:11] <Petengy> yes... when I choose the "recommened" drivers from "hardware drivers"
[16:12] <thiebaude> Petengy: what happens?
[16:12] <thiebaude> after that
[16:12] <mac_v> om26er > what fps problem were you mentioning? bug# ?
[16:12] <Petengy> thiebaude: it's seems ok, no error messages, but when I reboot the system, during the boot phase al became black
[16:12] <Petengy> thiebaude: and stop
[16:13] <Petengy> thiebaude: no messaseg only black screen
[16:13] <Petengy> thiebaude: also in recovery mode
[16:13] <thiebaude> Petengy: did you save your resolution settings as root?
[16:14] <Petengy> thiebaude: I didn't change the resolution
[16:14] <Petengy> thiebaude: I can do that ?
[16:14] <Petengy> how
[16:14] <thiebaude> Petengy: sudo nvidia-settings
[16:15] <thiebaude> and then apply and then save to X configuration
[16:15] <Petengy> thiebaude: I have not nvidia driver installed now... I must install them now ?
[16:15] <thiebaude> yes
[16:16] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude: ubuntu is downloading and installing driver (from "hardware drivers")
[16:17] <thiebaude> Petengy: cool
[16:17] <thiebaude> Petengy: we will get it working
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude:I hope :)
[16:17] <Petengy> thiebaude: now I must restart the system..... becasue sudo nvidia-settings doesn't work
[16:18] <aorist> well that was interesting, fixed the webcam problem
[16:18] <Petengy> thiebaude: but rebooting make me to the black screen
[16:18] <aorist> rebooted on the old 26 kernel, then rebooted again back to 31
[16:18] <aorist> now it works
[16:18] <aorist> hardware must have been stuck in a strange state.
[16:19] <thiebaude> Petengy: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:19] <thiebaude> in a terminal
[16:19] <wild_oscar> hey, is something wrong with the services management in karmic? I was having a problem with nfs-kernel-server not starting at boot, and now I am seeing that postfix doesn't start either. I've posted about the nfs-kernel-server bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/455045
[16:19] <Petengy> thiebaude: done
[16:19] <thiebaude> your in xorg.conf?
[16:19] <thiebaude> Petengy:
[16:19] <Petengy> !pastebin
[16:20] <Petengy> thiebaude: http://paste.ubuntu.com/301381/
[16:20] <thiebaude> ok
[16:20] <Petengy> thiebaude: :)
[16:20] <assoguerozen_sx> 9.10 rc alternate cd cant install gnome, if u do terminal system installation
[16:21] <thiebaude> Petengy: under Screen add "Default Device"  and save it
[16:21] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok
[16:21] <thiebaude> now, sudo nvidia-settings
[16:22] <assoguerozen_sx> nautilus works well in xfce4?
[16:22] <thiebaude> if your resolution is correct then save to X configuration
[16:22] <assoguerozen_sx> or thunar is better?
[16:22] <thiebaude> then your xorg.conf is then correct
[16:22] <Petengy> thiebaude: sorry I'm not finding Screen
[16:23] <VXxed> Should I have files in /proc/acpi/fan and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ?
[16:23] <thiebaude> under Section "Screen"
[16:24] <Petengy> thiebaude: Under "screen" section I have to change "Device" to "Default device" instead "Configured Video Device" ?
[16:24] <penguin42> VXxed: I do
[16:24] <VXxed> Well shit...
[16:24] <VXxed> Maybe THAT'S why my fans don't spin up?
[16:25] <thiebaude> no add it under "Default Screen"
[16:25] <thiebaude> add it
[16:25] <arielCo> Hello everyone: I'm trying to install mplayer, but aptitude says both mplayer and mplayer-nogui are broken: "Depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 which is a virtual package". The proposed solution is "doing nothing" >_>
[16:25] <thiebaude> "Default Device"
[16:25] <VXxed> Uhh...lol.  That's weird arielCo
[16:26] <Petengy> thiebaude: I done but it doesn't work : http://paste.ubuntu.com/301385/
[16:28] <thiebaude> Petengy: no,  Device           "Default Device"
[16:29] <thiebaude> put that where you have Default Device
[16:29] <Petengy> thiebaude: sorry ... ok done
[16:29] <thiebaude> ok
[16:29] <agruman> heya, in gnome-term some of the ctrl-key combos dont work, ex ctrl-], however when using xterm it works. Any suggestions to how i could fix this?
[16:29] <thiebaude> can you paste the new one to me?
[16:30] <arielCo> this is my current sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m266d7ea5
[16:30] <Petengy> thiebaude: ok but "udo nvidia-settings" doesn't work, maybe I have to restart xgorg ?
[16:30] <thiebaude> ok
[16:30] <rapman> to arielCo: Download Ubuntu Tweak and you can enable mplayer repository from there.
[16:30] <Kano> mplayer is outdated anyway then
[16:30] <thiebaude> sudo nvidia-settings
[16:31] <om26er> when i installed ubuntu 9.10 themes in google chrome were awesome but after a dist-upgrade they are very ugly and small
[16:31] <om26er> i am talking about fonts
[16:31] <om26er> not themes
[16:31] <k5ehx> why would ubuntu have started up apt-get dist-upgrade all on its own? This is a recent RC upgrade.
[16:31] <k5ehx> om26er: yeah, me too
[16:31] <penguin42> om26er: Fonts look OK for me in chrome
[16:31] <k5ehx> at least in firefox
[16:32] <om26er> penguin42: open cdimage.ubuntu.com and see that font's are they alright? plz check
[16:33] <evilaim_> Ok, this is getting unbarably frustrating
[16:33] <evilaim_> when ever I reboot, all my compiz settings go back to default, my visual effects go back to none...
[16:34] <k5ehx> AOL doesn't work on your new koala upgrade, evilaim_ ?  ;-P
[16:34] <zoidfarb> hey, I'm running RC, I did a fresh install, but I preserved my old /home partition, and now I have a weird glitch: when I got to "files and folders" and try to open a folder, it tries to open with VLC instead of Nautilus. Any idea how to fix that? Where are preferred apps saved?
[16:34] <evilaim_> This is really really really annoying
[16:34] <Petengy> thiebaude: I'm trying adding Modes       Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" in my xcorg.conf... then I suppose I have to restart the system in order to make the graphics server able to "read" my enchantments ...
[16:34] <zoidfarb> oh, sorry I'm running NBR RC
[16:34] <penguin42> om26er: Yeh that's fine for me
[16:34] <thiebaude> ok
[16:35] <om26er> how can i reinstall the fon't engine
[16:35] <om26er> penguin42: how to reinstall fon't engine
[16:35] <Petengy> thiebaude: I hope to "see" you later ;). TnX in advance
[16:35] <penguin42> om26er: I don't think there is an engine assuch; there are lots of things that can make it up
[16:35] <k5ehx> evilaim_: maybe you are setting the compiz settings in an unexpected way?
[16:37] <arielCo> rapman: I installed Tweak (cute, good for new users) - it complains about broken packages too.
[16:37] <k5ehx> evilaim_: by which, I mean a way that compiz is OK with, but some other management system doesn't sync well with. Dunno much about compiz, though, sorry.
[16:38] <om26er> courier new font looks so dim
[16:38]  * thiebaude off to football for me
[16:38] <Pilif12p> mzz: Are you having connection problems, or is it moznet itself?
[16:39] <om26er> which package includes times enw roman
[16:39] <om26er> times new roman
[16:40] <om26er> and courier new
[16:41] <k5ehx> om26er: xfonts-*dpi I think
[16:41]  * penguin42 wonders what the point of chvt 63 is in the power saving code
[16:41] <ripps> Is it possible to re-thumbnail a video file with totem-video-thumbnail if it fails the first time?
[16:42] <robin0800> zoidfarb: install a usb stick open the computer and rightclick on stick select properties and the open with add open folder and make default
[16:42] <evilaim> GAR!
[16:42] <amgarchIn9> Hi, in Karmic with KMS, new Xorg, and Intel videodriver "xrandr" doesnt change resolution anymore. Whom to blame? What to test?
[16:45] <penguin42> amgarchIn9: I'd probably look at whether the rest of xrandr is giving you sane outputs and also look in dmesg for any errors
[16:53] <MrKeuner> My mouse's right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. how can I see what may be wrong with my mouse, mouse settings, or something else?
[16:53] <assoguerozen_sx> guys what pkg manager is best for xfce4?
[16:53] <tanath> ok, who screwed up xterm colours?
[16:54] <tanath> my xterm bg was black, and now it's white. the xterm-color file still says default black though
[16:57] <damnedyankee>  Hello.  I'm running the beta and Ubuntu is having a hard time finding my internet connection upon startup.  It takes a couple of restarts for it to get it.  Any suggestions, or should I just ride it out until Karmic gets out of beta?
[16:57] <blueglasses> some of the apps appear and disappear so quickly, i cant regulate sound for them in sound control, how do I see all apps sound preferences?
[16:58] <mfpb221> hi everyone, can anyone tell me why my live cd installation gets stuck after step 3 (looking for partitions)? right now i just have one big xp partition. thanks.
[16:58] <amgarchIn9> penguin42: oops, today it behaves differently. They changed the names to LVDS1/VGA1. But  display is stil grabled, at least I could restore the old resolution.
[16:58] <mmcji> i have the latest RC1 of ubuntu 9.10 installed on a Dell E5500 Latitude.  This laptop has Intel GMA 4500 video.  Laptop resolution if fine, but I am not able to adjust video resolution when connected to a larger widescreen LCD.  What can I do?
[16:59] <ubuntuLover_> Hi ubuntu brothers! I installed 9.10 beta and all I get is a black screen on boot! I have tried lots of fixes from Ubuntu forums but no luck yet. Anyone willing to help me for lots of grtitude and a reasonable fee via paypal?
[16:59] <penguin42> amgarchIn9: Yeh the VGA/VGA1 change happened early in Karmic
[17:00] <damnedyankee> Hrm.  Lot of questions, but no answers.  Ominous.
[17:01] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  it would be easier if you gave some more details.. like what video card.. and what all you 'tried'
[17:02] <ioka> how to undo changes made by this command echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:02] <penguin42> ouch
[17:02] <Dr_Willis_> err   you used a SUDO with that ioka ?
[17:03] <ioka> I used root
[17:03] <ioka> I was root
[17:03] <damnedyankee> Oh dear
[17:03] <ubuntuLover_> Sure, I have a nvidia geforce go 7600, I tried installing GRUB2 to the hard drive's MBR by chmoding into the disk via the live cd (which is actually on a USB pen and that I am using right now)
[17:03] <Dr_Willis_> you just wiped out sda2,,,,,,
[17:03] <penguin42> ioka: Is sda2 mounted and what filesystem?
[17:03] <ioka> it was not mounted
[17:03] <mmcji> I have not yet done Xorg -configure to generate a xorg.conf as laptop resolution is fine.  I just am not able to resolve the widescreen resolution issue on larger LCD displays.
[17:03] <penguin42> ioka: What filesystem?
[17:03] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Maybe - maybe recoverable
[17:03] <ioka> fat32
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_>  You just wrote the letters 'chmod ...'  to the start of sda2   Eww,,,
[17:04] <Deihmos> how do you change the color depth ?
[17:04] <Deihmos> can't find this any where
[17:04] <phaidros> hi, karmic beta doesnt have a hal backend for cups anymore. how do I get my printer running then?
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_> penguin42:  yea not sure how  tho,
[17:04] <ioka> one guys said that this command will change the permission of the parition
[17:04] <penguin42> ioka: If it's small I'd take a block level backup of the entire sda2 and then try fsck.vfat on it; you will need look to recover it
[17:04] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  i just plugged in my printers and they worked....
[17:05] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: not here.
[17:05] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Well with ext3 there are back ups of the superblocks - I doubt that's true on FAT, but I'm not even sure fat uses the first few bytes
[17:05] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: karmic beta doesnt have a hal backend for cups anymore
[17:05] <phaidros> u read that?
[17:05] <phaidros>  Unable to execute /usr/lib/cups/backend/hal: No such file or directory
[17:05] <phaidros> until jaunty this was in hal-cups-utils.
[17:05] <Deihmos> can't get flash installed. always ends up with an error
[17:06] <maco> phaidros: karmic doesnt use hal
[17:06] <scott_ino2> Deihmos, how are you trying to install it
[17:06] <phaidros> maco, good point.
[17:06] <phaidros> but, what does that mean to my printer?
[17:06] <Deihmos> install missing plugins from firefox
[17:06] <maco> its udev now
[17:06] <phaidros> cups isnt accepting file:/dev/usblp0 as printer ..
[17:06] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_: I know it's not a simple fix because even on my previous version of ubuntu I was only able to boot by installing grub on a usb pen
[17:06] <ioka> I was lied and the partition is gone
[17:07] <phaidros> maco: I expected it to be udev, but I have no clue about udev :)
[17:07] <Lotto> http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42350516A5D1117
[17:07] <ioka> what else does that command do?
[17:07] <scott_ino2> Deihmos, open up Synaptic and install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:07] <ioka> one wiping the partitions?
[17:07] <scott_ino2> it will install flash for you
[17:07] <Dr_Willis_> it writes the raw data of those characters to the hard drive ioka
[17:08] <phaidros> so, it was hard to get that hp lj5p running on a usb2serial adapter with hal, but how does one do it with udev?
[17:08] <ioka> is the hard disk demaged?
[17:08] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  in theory its just that one partion's first few blocks gone.. but thats the boot record and  posibally the fat table..
[17:08] <phaidros> the printer dialog is not finding the printer
[17:08] <Deihmos> it says the installation or removal of a software package failed
[17:08] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: It was sda2 not sda
[17:08] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  not damaged.. but you may of erased an imoprntant part of the data
[17:09] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  using sda would of erased grub and perhaps everything.. :) sda2 = just that one parittion
[17:09] <penguin42> phaidros: Eech you're running a printer on serial?
[17:09] <phaidros> penguin42: printar *has* only serial :p
[17:09] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_: (I can see you're busy but did you read this?) Sure, I have a nvidia geforce go 7600, I tried installing GRUB2 to the hard drive's MBR by chmoding into the disk via the live cd (which is actually on a USB pen and that I am using right now)
[17:09] <ioka> I understand that the data of the partition is gone.Is that right?
[17:10] <phaidros> I find that it is a regression if old hardware doesn't work anymoar .. :/
[17:10] <penguin42> phaidros: Weird! I've seen parallel+serial I think, I can't remember a serial only except teletype
[17:10] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  grub2 souldent be affecting the video card drivers,
[17:10] <damnedyankee> OK, I guess I'll give the forums another shot.  Hang loose, y'all.
[17:10] <phaidros> penguin42: oops. I believe I meant parallel ^^
[17:10] <penguin42> phaidros: OK, that's not sick :-)
[17:10] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  that makes more sence.. :)
[17:10] <Acnaven1> Anyone have a shutdown problem in Ubuntu 9.10 RC? I mean it turns itself off my Ubuntu computer.
[17:10] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Oh, how so?!
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  my parallel -> usb adaptor worked here for my laserjet6l :)
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  grub boots the system.. the nvidia drivers are used by X.. the 2 are not related.
[17:11] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: how do you add printers on such adapters?
[17:11] <Deihmos> is there a system restore?
[17:11] <phaidros> the printer dialog is not detecting the printer
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  i just plugged it in and went to the cups web config page.
[17:11] <phaidros> hm
[17:11] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  check dmesg output when ya plug it in to see if its even seen
[17:12] <blueglasses> Deihmos, you can try recover, on startup, or else, allways backup
[17:12] <Dr_Willis_> ioka:  it MIGHT be recoverable with some of the dos/filesystem tools.
[17:12] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: have to have it plugged in during boot iirc ..
[17:12] <ioka> what tools?
[17:12] <Deihmos> tried to install flash from website now the whole thing is messed up
[17:12] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Ok but if the drivers are the issue wouldn't I at least see Grub? I don't see grub at all just a black screen
[17:12] <amgarchIn9> does your Gnome/KDE handle resolution change properly? Try "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768" or LVDS or VGA depending on your settings. Check possible names/modes with "xrandr" .
[17:12] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: k it is there: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x4348 pid 0x5584
[17:13] <blueglasses> ioka the data on a partition is only gone if you erase that partition or if you format it
[17:13] <aliendude5300> Hi, I need some help getting valgrind logs for gvfs-metadata since it starts itself, and I can't reproduce the problem by starting it manually, as I explained in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/459439
[17:13] <phaidros> what do I do with that dmesg to get udev detecting this thing and doing it's job?
[17:13] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  i dident see that part mentiuoned.. if grub has no menu.. then you got grub issues first to deal with..
[17:14] <blueglasses> Deihmos, just apt-get remove
[17:14] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  its showing its seen as usblp0: for starters so perhaps its just a config issue.
[17:14] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  tried the cups web interface yet to add printers?
[17:14] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: yes, but further nothing happens. and the dialog doesn't see it ..
[17:14] <phaidros> ah, the webif .. good point
[17:14] <phaidros> :)
[17:15] <ioka> echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:15] <ioka> what does echo do?
[17:15] <blueglasses> Deihmos, you can also use uninstall on Synaptic
[17:15] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:I think the problem is deeper than that. I think I have MBR issues because I installed grub but it doesn't come up. But do I need grub to boot into a single OS install of 9.10 beta and no other OS?
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> ioka: that doesn' tlook like a good idea
[17:16] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntuLover_:  you need grub yes.
[17:16] <ioka> no I am asking what does echo do?I already executed it
[17:17] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: well, webif shows generic printers (SCSI, CupsPDF, HP Printer & Fax)
[17:17] <phaidros> I doubt it detected one ..
[17:17] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Ok, how do I mae sure tht it's installed properly?
[17:17] <penguin42> phaidros: Does it not have anything for local interfaces any more?
[17:17] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, try starting again from live cd, and backup your data
[17:17] <phaidros> penguin42: yes the 4 generic ones ..
[17:17] <ubuntuLover_> Dr_Willis_:Does the live CD prompt me to install GRUB?
[17:17] <penguin42> phaidros: So it has SCSI printers but not parallel? !!!
[17:18] <blueglasses> ioka, man echo
[17:18] <phaidros> penguin42: looks like ..
[17:18] <penguin42> phaidros: Well I did see a SCSI printer once, about 15 years
[17:18] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Does the live CD prompt me to install GRUB?
[17:18] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, no
[17:19] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:How is re-installing going to help then?!
[17:19] <StrangeCharm> i'm trying to install the karmic server rc. during the 'detect disks' stage, it prompts me whether to activate SATA RAID devices, but - either way - they are not visible in the partitioner. how can i make the disks attached to the SATA 'RAID' device on my mobo show up in the partitioner?
[17:19] <phaidros> penguin42: I doubt it detected it, it is generic printers, because the modules are there (imho), coz it is asking for the complete connection line (which one never knows .. like ipp:// or http:// ..) so somehow useless :)
[17:19] <blueglasses> it will show you working gnome system where you can do everything
[17:19] <penguin42> phaidros: file://dev/lp ? or the like?
[17:20] <ioka> well man echo does not answer .Anyway.
[17:20] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Oh I see you mean loading the live CD and not installing again from the live CD. I am using the live CD as we chat :)
[17:21] <Ahadiel> ioka, "echo - display a line of text"
[17:21] <Ahadiel> ioka, straight from echo's manpage
[17:21] <phaidros> file:/dev/usblp0, choosing hp lj5p foomatic: when ading the thing finally it sez: 'cleint-error-not-possible) and in the logs: Returning IPP client-error-not-possible for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/HP-LaserJet-5P) from localhost
[17:22] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, you shouldnt, live cd works as root, you dont wanna be root on irc
[17:22] <phaidros> but I didn'T add ipp://, I did file://
[17:22] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Erm... why not :-S
[17:22] <penguin42> ioka: echo writes a line of text out - just try echo hello   at the command line, because you redirected it to /dev/sda2 you will have overwritten the first bit of the partition with the output of echo
[17:22] <penguin42> phaidros: I'd try attaching the cups web interface
[17:22] <Ahadiel> ubuntuLover_, So you want to reinstall grub using the livecd?
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> ipp is the method the cups server shares the printer perhaps.
[17:23] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, because its a security issue
[17:23] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Yeh it's a remote printing protocol
[17:23] <ioka> thank you <penguin42>
[17:23] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I did that yesterday.
[17:23] <xzased> hi. Im having a problem with cdemu. It starts fine and I installed kcdemu as frontend but when I try to mount an image it says "Errror: All virtual drives are in use". Im using kubuntu karmic rc. If someone knows how to fix this please let me know.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> phaidros:  on some of my old printers i had ti install some ectra ppd packages,
[17:23] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: like lpd but infinitely more complex
[17:23] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:And didn't fix the black screen issue
[17:23] <Dr_Willis_> !info cdemu
[17:23] <phaidros> Dr_Willis_: it wokred before with jaunty+hal ;)
[17:24] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, does your pc has a CD player?
[17:24] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, does your machine boots from the live cd?
[17:25] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:yep, it's a laptop but I'm running the Live CD from a USB pen
[17:25] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:Yep, I am doing t s we chat :)
[17:25] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, thats not a cd, it uses different methods to boot
[17:26] <phaidros> penguin42: File device URIs have been disabled! To enable, see the FileDevice directive in "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf". (from webif) ^^
[17:26] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, when you boot, what happens?
[17:26] <phaidros> I'll dig into cups.conf then :)
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros: Grrr that's silly
[17:26] <phaidros> ack
[17:26] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I see the initial testing memory and detecting devices screen
[17:26] <TDJACR> I can't get sound on my MacBook Pro 5,3 and the directions on the wiki didn't help
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros:  Real men still use parallel
[17:26] <jdahm> I've noticed that karmic still makes a funny pop/thunk sound when I change volume and there is nothing already playing.  Is there a way to turn this off, or switch the sound?
[17:26] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:and afterwards only a black screen
[17:26] <penguin42> phaidros: But still, it sounds like you have a bug there somewhere that needs reporting
[17:27] <phaidros> penguin42: if the machine would have the parallel port ^^
[17:27] <jdahm> This is probably a gnome or alsa issue
[17:27] <jdahm> er pulseaudio
[17:27] <phaidros> penguin42: at least a regression
[17:27] <Amaranth> Wow, ioka seriously messed up his partition
[17:27] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, did you try switching to prompt by doing CTRL+ALT+f1?
[17:27] <Amaranth> The first few bytes are the start of the FAT table so the entire partition is just trash
[17:28] <Amaranth> photorec can recover pictures from it but there is nothing else you can get off it
[17:28] <BluesKaj> jdahm, could be your volume in alsa is cranked to the max, which isn't necessary , 70% is plenty to drive speakers to their max.
[17:28] <penguin42> Amaranth: Well, it's an interesting way to screw a partition up :-)
[17:28] <phaidros> I believe udev should trigger a script (hotplug?) which uses vendor Id and product Id to add that printer ..
[17:28] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:no, hmm... would that work even before I see grub?!
[17:28] <phaidros> anyone familiar with such things?
[17:28] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, nope, on the blackscreen
[17:29] <penguin42> phaidros: But I think in your case it should be noticing a parallel port and realising it can't do vendor id at that level?
[17:29] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:but the black screen is before grub :-S
[17:30] <phaidros> penguin42: it actually *is* detecting that there is a printer, otherwise /dev/usblp0 wouldn't get touched
[17:30] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, as i recall it, live cd wont show grub, it will go directly to gdm (gnome login)
[17:30] <evilaim> I can't get "Visual Effects" to stay on after I reboot.  They are on and compiz is all setup, I reboot, then it's all back to default.
[17:30] <evilaim> any idears?
[17:30]  * Cyberkilla|AFK will be back.
[17:30] <phaidros> but neither can I use the device file nor does udev do it for me :(
[17:30] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:wait you're missing some info
[17:30] <penguin42> phaidros: Is it a perm problem on /dev/usblp0?
[17:31] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, the blackscreen problem is your Xserver configuration
[17:31] <phaidros> penguin42: tell me first how to add that printer on /dev/usblp0 to cups :)
[17:31] <evilaim> Very very annoying
[17:31] <guntbert> blueglasses: I only saw the last part - did you run an md5sum on the iso image?
[17:31] <penguin42> phaidros: Let me see if I can nick a cups config off my machine with one :-)
[17:31] <phaidros> yay :)
[17:31] <guntbert> ubuntuLover_:  I only saw the last part - did you run an md5sum on the iso image?
[17:31] <guntbert> blueglasses: soory
[17:32] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I installed 9.10 beta on the hard drive from the live CD, the installation went fine but uppon boot I only get a black screen, this is without the Live CD (which is running from a USB pen) in
[17:32] <blueglasses> guntbert nope, I upgraded directly from 9.04 with upgrade manager, repositories work fine here :D
[17:33] <guntbert> blueglasses: sorry, my question was meant for ubuntuLover_ :)
[17:33] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, I see, i had that problem once
[17:33] <penguin42> anyone got a pastebin that doesn't have annoying screwed ads?
[17:34] <ubuntuLover_> guntbert:no I didn't
[17:34] <phaidros> pastie.caboo.se ?
[17:34] <penguin42> phaidros: Yeh! http://pastie.org/669106
[17:34] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, on start, press ESC
[17:34] <guntbert> ubuntuLover_: I'm not sure if it is important in this case - I thought you have trouble booting from the CD?
[17:34] <phaidros> penguin42: thanx dude
[17:35] <penguin42> phaidros: That's my /etc/cups/printers.conf on my box with a parallel samsung printer connected
[17:35] <phaidros> penguin42: sure, but my printer is on /dev/usblp0 ..
[17:35] <ubuntuLover_> guntbert:no, I have trouble booting from a fresh install of 9.10 beta :)
[17:35] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, then you are in grub, wich asks what kernel version you should start, choose recover
[17:35] <phaidros> I give it a try anyways
[17:35] <penguin42> phaidros: Yeh but replace the /dev/lp1 with the /dev/usblp0
[17:35] <phaidros> penguin42: ack
[17:36] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I tried pressing esc already, nothing happens!
[17:36] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:I don't think it's finding grub and is failing silently
[17:36] <SeySayux> Hi, does anybody know how I make grub not to display a menu?
[17:36] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, what happens when you CTRL+ALT+F1?
[17:37] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, dont do it on the live, do it on the installed system
[17:37] <elvirolo> has anyone had any luck using xnee under ubuntu?
[17:37] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:haven't tried, will do now... be back in a few mins
[17:38] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, try acessing a console and reconfigure your X server
[17:38] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, you do that with dpkg-reconfigure
[17:38] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:wht's the command?
[17:39] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:thanks :)
[17:39] <ubuntuLover_> blueglasses:brb
[17:39] <ioka> testdisk shows that the new partition  that has been created after echo "chmod ....." command
[17:39] <blueglasses> ubuntuLover_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(your version)
[17:39] <ioka> if I delete the new parition will that fix the problem?
[17:40] <blueglasses> ioka, if you delete a partition you lose all data on it
[17:40] <phaidros> penguin42: hm, it show up in cups dialog, but as raw printer, no driver nothing
[17:40] <ioka> no the data does not go away until it is formated
[17:40] <penguin42> phaidros: So I suggest now going to the tool and editing the driver it will use
[17:40] <ioka> so the data is still there
[17:40] <webbb82> when i run update manager i get this
[17:40] <webbb82> The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct.
[17:40] <kandjar> where cna I find the explanation of the different package options to install?
[17:40] <ioka> I just need to make it visible
[17:41] <xrandr> most netgear pci wireless cards are supported, right?
[17:41] <webbb82> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:41] <webbb82> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[17:41] <penguin42> ioka: No, your problem is the partition is there but the very start of the actual data is corrupt
[17:41] <webbb82> any ideas why
[17:41] <blueglasses> ioka, how can you see a partiotion you have erased?
[17:41] <ioka> in test disk
[17:41] <ioka> it shows two partitions
[17:41] <ioka> the fist one is the right one
[17:41] <ioka> the second one is bad
[17:41] <phaidros> penguin42: nope, all greyed out, nothing to change except file:/dev/usblp0. and if I change it to something supid it get again: 'client-error-not-possible' and in the logs: Returning IPP client-error-not-possible for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/HP2) from localhost
[17:41] <jdahm> it seems like my volume control is controlling both pcm and master, is there a way to bind it to just master?
[17:42] <blueglasses> ioka, you can safelly erase one and all its data goes with it
[17:42] <kandjar> i mean: during the install process, you reach a page called "Software selection"; where can I fing details about the different options?
[17:42] <phaidros> so why again is hal being kicked out??
[17:42] <phaidros> it was hard to get that damn adapter running with hal, but seems impossible without o.O
[17:43] <blueglasses> ioka, believe me its kind of hard to recover data from an erased partition, and... a partition is not a disk, its part of the disk
[17:43] <timber> can someone tell me the location of the icon folder?
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, you can divide the disk in many partitions, wich one is independent from the rest
[17:44] <penguin42> phaidros: Not sure then, I'm not sure where the rest of the config comes from
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, you can divide the disk in many partitions, each one is independent from the rest
[17:44] <ioka> yes I know that
[17:44] <phaidros> hm
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, ok so what is your problem?
[17:45] <Arelis> I've upgraded Ubuntu to Karmic Koala a week ago. How close in quality is it to the final release now?
[17:45] <maco> Arelis: its release cndidate. youre practically thre
[17:45] <penguin42> Arelis: There are still a few fixes but not many - when I updated today I got a chunk of updates that had happened in the last week
[17:46] <blueglasses> ioka, if you dont want a partition or the data on it, just erase it and create a new one
[17:46] <Pilif12p> Why wont it let me move a file?
[17:46] <Arelis> maco: Okay. And what applications should I remove and install to get the default application list of Karmic Koala?
[17:46] <Pilif12p> (Via terminal)
[17:46] <phaidros> btw I am running karmic since june on my thinkpad. most of the time she was like a charme :)
[17:46] <maco> !puregnome | Arelis
[17:46] <maco> oh dang
[17:46] <ioka> I want to unchange what that command did : echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:46] <blueglasses> timber, use locate icon
[17:46] <maco> *shrug*
[17:46] <timber> blueglasses: how can i use it?
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, or locate icons
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, open a console from applications acessories
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, and type locate icons
[17:47] <penguin42> ioka: Did fsck.msdos do anything?
[17:48] <timber> blueglasses: i got it, thanks
[17:48] <blueglasses> timber, or simply use places-->search files; icons
[17:48] <blueglasses> timber, you are welcome
[17:48] <Pilif12p> nevermind
[17:48] <Pilif12p> im an idiot
[17:48] <Pilif12p> i had it cd'd ;D
[17:49] <penguin42> timber: /usr/share/icons has many
[17:49] <timber> blueglasses: is there a way to find specifically the folder icons? i wanna find these new icons that came in the /home folders
[17:50] <penguin42> timber: /usr/share/pixmaps also has some
[17:50] <timber> penguin42: thanks, i found it
[17:51] <blueglasses> timber, try searching /home for icons
[17:51] <_dr> hi, is there a way to change the user icon displayed by gdm?
[17:51] <timber> blueglasses: already found, they are on /usr/share/icons like penguin42 said
[17:51] <timber> blueglasses: thanks
[17:52] <blueglasses> timber, you are welcome
[17:52] <ioka> penguin42: is that a linux command  "fsck.msdos"
[17:52] <penguin42> ioka: Yes
[17:52] <ioka> I'll try
[17:52] <timber> someone could tell me if is there a way to turn off the case sensitive in nautilus?
[17:52] <penguin42> ioka: I think to be honest you have a low chance of getting any data on sda2 back
[17:52] <timber> like is on terminal?
[17:53] <mzz> err, what?
[17:53] <mzz> are you talking about sort order or what?
[17:53] <k5ehx> timber: in what sense?
[17:53] <k5ehx> timber: if you wanted it changed in all ways you would need to use a case insensitive file system
[17:54] <kandjar> is there a webpage which describes the different package options you have when you reach the "software selection" page during the ububtu install????
[17:54] <timber> k5ehx: well, when i press CTRL+L i can type the location and is auto-completed when i press TAB, i wanna make as same occurs on terminal, with insensitive case
[17:55] <timber> like this http://gaarai.com/2009/02/08/case-insensitive-tabbing-in-ubuntu-terminal/
[17:55] <mzz> my terminal's quite case sensitive
[17:55] <k5ehx> never heard of case insensitive tab completion
[17:55] <mzz> I suspect to make ctrl+l do what you want you'd have to patch nautilus, but I could be wrong
[17:55] <mzz> k5ehx: well, completion's programmable, so I'm not surprised you can hack it up to do this
[17:56] <ripps> is it possible to run ubuntu and fedora side-by-side, sharing a /home?
[17:56] <TDJACR> ripps: Yes
[17:56] <TDJACR> ripps: But your configs can get messy
[17:57] <Ian_Corne> unless you use kde fedora :p
[17:57] <xrandr> 4 days till 9.10 becomes a stable release distro, right?
[17:57] <TDJACR> xrandr: Yes
[17:57] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:57] <zash> !isitoutyet
[17:57] <zash> meh
[17:57] <xrandr> !seen ubottu
[17:58] <timber> !case
[17:58] <timber> !sensitive
[17:58] <xrandr> !ubottu
[17:58] <k5ehx> timber: the search in nautilus is already case insensitive
[17:58] <zash> !out
[17:58] <k5ehx> timber: use Ctrl+F
[17:58] <ripps> The reason I'm interested is because it seems the bulkt of ati driver work is done in fedora, and it might be easier to file and fix bugs upstream from there.
[17:59] <timber> k5ehx: did you type CTRL+L? i want that insensitive
[17:59] <timber> k5ehx: the CTRL+F isn't useful for me
[18:00] <ioka> there is a record of the old partition on the disk.would that be of any use?
[18:03] <Amaranth> ioka: You have a backup of the FAT table?
[18:03] <ioka> maybe
[18:03] <Amaranth> Without that the most you can hope for is for photorec to gets any photos you had
[18:03] <Amaranth> ioka: The backup has to exactly match the state of the disk before you trashed it
[18:04] <ioka> testdisk finds two identical partitions
[18:04] <Amaranth> ioka: you're more likely to have a backup of the data
[18:05] <zash> why isn't there something like sudoedit for gksudo?
[18:05] <jdahm> why is the vpn greyed out like I can't add a connection?
[18:05] <Ahadiel> zash, gksudo gedit?
[18:06] <zash> Ahadiel: but that runns the editor as root
[18:06] <Ahadiel> zash, Isn't that what you wanted?
[18:06] <Ahadiel> zash, oh, I understand.
[18:06] <cowgarden> should I keep or overwrite my menu.lst on the update to karmic?
[18:06] <zash> Ahadiel: sudoedit copies the file to tmp, launches $VISUAL /tmp/thatfile then copies it back
[18:06] <cowgarden> I forgott
[18:06] <ioka> test disk sees most of the files
[18:07] <Ahadiel> zash, yeah sorry, I didn't realize sudoredit actually existed.
[18:08] <Kano> why are ntfs drives not shown to mount?
[18:08] <Ahadiel> zash, You could probably put something together fairly easily that does that.
[18:08] <Kano> hmm maybe because of iso-scan
[18:08] <cowgarden> menu.lst should just work, shouldn't it? I mean I keep grub1 anyway, right?
[18:08] <cowgarden> and if it worked it will keep working
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: yep, gksudo cp $1 /tmp; $
[18:09] <cowgarden> or is the new kernel to be referenced there?
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: $EDITOR $tmpfile; gksudo cp tmp origfile
[18:09] <Ahadiel> zash, So why did you ask if there was something like it then?
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: because it annoys me that lots of how-tos has gksudo gedit somefile
[18:10] <ioka> Amaranth: is photorec from cgsecurity the tool you 've mentioned?
[18:10] <zash> VISUAL=gedit sudoedit /path/to/file works too
[18:10] <Amaranth> ioka: Yeah, that should at least get pictures back
[18:10] <ioka> is photorec a tool only for backing files?
[18:11] <ioka> I'm using testdisk at the moment
[18:13] <ubuntuLover> blueglasses:still around?
[18:14] <ubuntuLover> is anyone able to help me fix my boot problem?
[18:16] <ubuntuLover> anyone here?!
[18:16] <BluesKaj> !id
[18:17] <ubuntuLover> is anyone able to help me fix my boot problem? please :-/
[18:18] <TDJACR> !mac
[18:18] <dmatt> just explain problem
[18:20] <ubuntuLover> dmatt: installed 9.10 beta from live CD (running from USB pen) and all I get is a black screen with blinking cursor, no text
[18:21] <dmatt> what partition did you chose to install grub?
[18:22] <ubuntuLover> erm... I can't recall being asked to choose a partitiont o install grub!
[18:23] <dmatt> do you have some toher system installed?
[18:23] <ioka> what kind of partition does usually fdisk create? fat32 lba or fat32?
[18:23] <mbt> Has anyone ran into this bug on Karmic:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/460153
[18:23] <igama> dmatt, its installed in the MBR
[18:24] <BUGabundo> ola igama
[18:24] <mzz> ioka: neither
[18:24] <ubuntuLover> dmatt:no other OS, I had ubuntu on the laptop but installed over it
[18:24] <ioka> how come neither?
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: you're probably thinking of the id byte written to the partition table, which defaults to 83 ("linux"). But linux itself usually ignores that byte.
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: what did you do again, overwrite the partition table, right?
[18:25] <ioka> not again
[18:25] <dmatt> do you have more partitions or only one?
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: I meant can you say it again, not did you do it twice :)
[18:26] <ioka> no
[18:26] <igama> dmatt, more, about 4 partitions
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: if you originally had exactly one partition chances are just recreating the partition table will work
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: ah, that's harder
[18:26] <ubuntuLover> dmatt:no other partitions, no... only the ones that the LIve CD created for the new install
[18:26] <mzz> there are utilities that guess the partition table but I have no experience with them
[18:26] <ioka> well test disk fist shows 2 fat32 partitions all with the same characteristics size start end sector
[18:26] <ioka> then
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: if you have the space for it: copy the entire drive over so you can try your repairs on a copy
[18:27] <dmatt> igama, ubuntuLover, you have the same problem?
[18:27] <ioka> when I do deeper search it shows only one fat32 partition
[18:27] <ioka> I guess I should try to write the patition table after the deeper search
[18:27] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, igama, do we :) ?
[18:28] <dmatt> it seems you both answer my questions :)
[18:28] <ioka> I shows some weird stuff I do not understand.It shows two ntsf partitions and I have only one.I shows the type of all partitions to be deleted.
[18:29] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yep I didn't know who you were directing them at :)
[18:29] <guntbert> !who
[18:30] <igama> dmatt, what problem?
[18:31] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: I sugest you boot again from livecd and mount disc to check if there is proper instalation
[18:31] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, done that, yes it is there
[18:31] <ioka> so fat32 and fat32 lba could not be the problem.Is is possible after executing echo "chmod ugo+rwx" /dev/sda3 the fat partition has been changed from fat32 to fat32 lba?
[18:31] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did you try to reinstal grub2 ?
[18:32] <ioka> and that to be the problem?
[18:32] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yes I did
[18:32] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, still no change
[18:33] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I used Live CD to mount the hard drive adn chroot to teh hardrive
[18:33] <ubuntuLover> and installed grub2 that way
[18:34] <dmatt> like they advise in http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide ?
[18:34] <ioka> I get an invalid fat boot sector in the partition table
[18:35] <ioka> could that be because of grub loader?
[18:35] <mzz> ioka: you overwrote the boot sector
[18:35] <ioka> no
[18:35] <mzz> I'm not sure how much else you overwrote, but I'm pretty sure you overwrote the boot sector
[18:35] <ioka> this is what testdisk shows
[18:36] <ioka> I can boot
[18:36]  * mzz rephrases
[18:36] <mzz> I'm pretty sure you overwrote the boot sector on that drive, so if that's your boot drive I'm surprised you can still boot
[18:36] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, it was from another wbsite but the steps were precisely the same :)
[18:36] <dmatt> ubuntulover: if nothing helps, i would install grub1 from older ubuntuCD
[18:37] <dupondje> somebody can help me fixing GRUB2 and Dmraid ?
[18:37] <dupondje> seems there is a 'dmraid_nvidia' module
[18:37] <dupondje> but how to use it?
[18:39] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, should I install 9.04 instead?
[18:39] <kbmaniac> I have update manager check for updates daily, download in background but there is no notification on the taskbar when there are updates, how  do I turn that on ?
[18:40] <dmatt> no, just grub1 from 9.04 disc
[18:40] <ioka> guys test disk show that the fat boot sector is bad.then it says that the backup boot fat sector is OK.Should I rebuild the FAT boot sector?
[18:41] <penguin42> ioka: If it can do that then it sounds like the right thing
[18:41] <ioka> ok.I'll dump the both sectors just in case.
[18:43] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: you think there is problem in grub or it never gets to it (some hdd action before?)
[18:43] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, never gets to it
[18:43] <ioka> would you please tell me why I have a FAT boot sector since fat partition is not a bootable, never was, I use grub2 and I have still windows laoder intact.
[18:43] <ubuntuLover> no hdd action at all
[18:44] <dmatt> did you try press shift to get to grub menu?
[18:44] <penguin42> ioka: I don't know the structure of FAT well, but I think the first sector is also the sector where the bootloader normally lives (or is that the 2nd one - hmm)
[18:45] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, no, I'll try now
[18:46] <ioka> so since I can boot.I do not know if I should mess up with the FAT boot loader even if it is bad.
[18:46] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, shift does nothing
[18:47] <rosco> After installing 9.10, my /proc/partitions doesn't list my raid partitions anymore, only the disks. The partitions are still visible in fdisk -l. Does it has something to do with mdraid ? I'd prefer to stick to mdadm as I know it already. But it's useless if the kernel doesn't show the partitions in /proc/partitions
[18:48] <ioka> Does anyone know what repair MFT in NTFS partition mean?
[18:49] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did you actually check with partition editor partitioning of hdd?
[18:50] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, no, only saw it with fdisk -l
[18:50] <ioka> after repairing the FAT boot loader now I see only one fat partition as I should.
[18:50] <ioka> I'm rebooting to see if there are any differences.
[18:51] <Armageddon> I have a problem that I've had since Jaunty, Ubuntu does not shutdown, -h restarts, the problem is probably Ubuntu not finding the suitable power off button, can anyone help ?
[18:51] <mzz> Armageddon: iirc there's a kernel commandline param worth playing with, sec
[18:51] <MrMonkeyMan> If I install the RC will I have to do anything special when the release version comes out?
[18:52] <Armageddon> MrMonkeyMan, no it will update to that
[18:52] <ioka> no need to reboot.
[18:52] <ioka> :)
[18:52] <ioka> after fixing the boot FAT loader sector everything is fine
[18:52] <penguin42> ioka: What did you use to do the repair?
[18:52] <ioka> I can see all the data
[18:53] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: give it a try just to be sure you have only one partition
[18:53] <ioka> Cristophe GRENIER is a genius .Got bless him
[18:53] <ioka> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
[18:53] <MrMonkeyMan> Armageddon: so the RC is using the same apt sources as the full release?
[18:53] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, ok
[18:53] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:54] <ubuntuLover> brb
[18:54] <domjohnson> How come the latest daily build of Ubuntu Studio is from 20th October?
[18:54] <Armageddon> MrMonkeyMan, yes
[18:54] <arand> MrMonkeyMan: yes. For more karmic support, #ubuntu+1
[18:54] <arand> domjohnson: dailys apprently stop at RC time..
[18:54] <domjohnson> ohhh
[18:54] <domjohnson> ok
[18:54] <domjohnson> Thanks :)
[18:55] <domjohnson> When is the final release? Is it the 28th?
[18:55] <Cyberkilla|AFK> 29th
[18:55] <Cyberkilla|AFK> afaik
[18:55] <almoxarife> who has alsa as the default sound and has the volume/sound applet working?
[18:55] <Armageddon> does anyone have a toshiba laptop with bluetooth and shutdown problems ?
[18:55] <mzz> Armageddon: bah, can't find it
[18:56] <Armageddon> mzz, I've had those 2 problems since jaunty, shutdown and bluetooth
[18:56] <kbmaniac> hi, how do I get the 'update notifier' to pop up a message when there are updates ?
[18:56] <mzz> kbmaniac: iirc it does that by default
[18:56] <Armageddon> kbmaniac: it is set in Software sources
[18:56] <almoxarife> Armageddon: I think the shut down issue is a bug in all of karmic?
[18:56] <Armageddon> almoxarife: I've had it since jaunty
[18:56] <mzz> almoxarife: karmic shuts down just fine on this acer laptop
[18:57] <Armageddon> I know the problem is the push button not being recognized that's for sure
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: err, no
[18:57] <makc_> йа
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: the push button is an input device. You don't need it to turn the system off
[18:57] <Armageddon> mzz, what do you think the problem is ?
[18:57] <kbmaniac> well, nothing pops up on 2 x 9.10 installs, I have update dailey, download in background
[18:57] <Armageddon> mzz: well it's what I'm using at the moment to turn it off
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: some kind of apm/acpi issue most likely
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: in the "hold it down for 5 seconds" way, right?
[18:57] <antibody> quick question ubuntu 9.10 still doesn't have a easy fingerprint login solution right? You still have to fiddle with pam.d files? I don't like the auth with pam you can't type the password until you do fingerprint, so I always have to pass my finger. anyone has a kewl howto?
[18:57] <Armageddon> oh acpi is not recognized for some reason
[18:58] <Armageddon> mzz: yea after -H shutdown
[18:58] <maco> kbmaniac: turn off automatic updates?
[18:58] <kbmaniac> they are on at the moment
[18:58] <mzz> Armageddon: usually hold it down for 5 seconds bypasses the os, and briefly pressing that button is seen as an input event by linux
[18:59] <penguin42> antibody: Don't know, but the login screen has changed quite a bit so it might have changed
[18:59] <Armageddon> mzz: yea that is recognized but what's wrong with acpi ?
[18:59] <kbmaniac> sorry I mean check for updates is daily
[18:59] <mzz> Armageddon: I don't know. If it's an old laptop it may simply not have (working) acpi
[19:00] <mzz> Armageddon: it'd have to be a pretty old laptop for that though. Bios upgrades may help. And there are some kernel commandline quirks, but the ones I'm finding are for reboot, not poweroff.
[19:00] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I checked with gparted and the hdd has two partitions one Ext4 with 9.10 beta and a small swap partition
[19:00] <meanburrito920_> I've noticed that ever since I upgraded to karmic my battery notifier has been all wonky, giving me incorrect % charges and remaining time. What changes were made to it that might have caused this, and can I resolve them?
[19:00] <Armageddon> mzz: very new one
[19:00] <meanburrito920_> It worked fine under jaunty
[19:00] <arand> It's always possibe do downgrade gdm, maybe the olde howtos might still be applicable then: http://pitris.info/ubuntu
[19:01] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, as I said these are the standard installation partitions
[19:01] <Armageddon> mzz: Toshiba A300D-17G release probably 10months ago
[19:01] <arand> ^< antibody:
[19:01] <mzz> meanburrito920_: I didn't upgrade, but suspect it lost its history. Is it still wonky after a few charge cycles (with ubuntu running)?
[19:02] <almoxarife> alsa anyone? alsa gurus?
[19:02] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i installed the rc on friday and it's still acting strange
[19:02] <mzz> Armageddon: shrug, check dmesg for clues, check for bios upgrades, google for others with similar hardware and the same problem
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: can you help me file a bug report ?
[19:02] <antibody> yes arand?
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: I did, it is recognized there
[19:02] <mzz> Armageddon: ask #ubuntu-bugs for help with bug reports, iirc
[19:02] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i haven't fully discharged it though. only til what it claimed was 40%
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: thanks
[19:03] <meanburrito920_> but i don't think that was accurate
[19:03] <rosco> Is there a way to disable fakeraid in ubuntu ?
[19:03] <arand> antibody: It's always possibe do downgrade gdm, maybe the olde howtos might still be applicable then: http://pitris.info/ubuntu
[19:03] <mzz> meanburrito920_: what's inaccurate? time remaining numbers may improve over time (see the charge/discharge accuracy graphs available through "power history")
[19:03] <antibody> ok but there's no easy way to do it right?
[19:03] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: in past when I had such problem I tried to ALT-CTRL-F1 and it helped the boot to progres... but it was after grub
[19:04] <antibody> (not that I can't do it lol. Just don't have the mood)
[19:04] <antibody> I did it with pam module
[19:04] <meanburrito920_> mzz: it jumps from telling me i have 5h10m at 93% to 1h40m at 50% back to 3h20m at 72%
[19:04] <almoxarife> I seem to have lucked out, I have one issue with karmic and its due to my wanting to run alsa as default, otherwise its running great, unless something is not working and I don't see it
[19:04] <antibody> but but the "sufficient" "required" don't give enough options
[19:04] <ubuntuLover> yeah someone else suggested that earlier in this channel I tried it and it didn't work when I came back he was gone... blueglasses was his/her name :(
[19:04] <meanburrito920_> mzz: that seems broken :)
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: that's the kind of thing I suspect might improve as it "learns" how the battery behaves (you probably lost that history when you upgraded because of the devicekit-power introduction)
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: I don't know how jumpy those numbers are supposed to be after it has gained a bit of history
[19:05] <meanburrito920_> mzz: ok. where is the battery history normally stored? as a file?
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: (they do jump around here too, but afaict that's intentional, with time remaining dropping if I do something power-hungry)
[19:06] <mzz> meanburrito920_: below /var/lib/DeviceKit-power/ in karmic afaict
[19:06] <mzz> meanburrito920_: at least I'm assuming gnome-power-manager is actually using that data instead of duplicating it
[19:06] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i did a fresh install so I probably wiped it
[19:06] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: if you did grub2 reinstlation correctly, I would really go for grub1 install from older liveCD
[19:07] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: might be some crazy incompatibility with your HW or setting in bios or something
[19:08] <ubuntuLover> yeah it sounds liek some non regular problem
[19:08] <Petengy> hi to all
[19:09] <Petengy> after 12 hours of hard work I wasn't able to activate the nvidia drivers on my karmik (installed yesterday) ... someone else had the same problems with nvidia ?
[19:10] <tag_> I can't seem to get fglrx to work in karmic, and it deems my system inoperable outside of booting in recovery mode.
[19:10] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, did I tell you that with the previous version of ubuntu in the same computer could not boot either? I only made it boot by installing grub on a USB pen which pointed to the hdd
[19:10] <mzz> tag_: are you sure you need it? Unless you have a pretty recent card you want the open drivers currently
[19:10] <tag_> I told these people to get me a machine with an nvidia card, damnit.
[19:11] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: lol
[19:11] <tag_> It's a pretty recent card (first introduced 2 years ago, IIRC, but the machine is less than a month out of the factory)
[19:11] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yeah I know... it's sad lol
[19:12] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did some bootmanager work in past on this computer?
[19:14] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: at least you can do the trick with usb again
[19:14] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yes it did I think with one of Ubuntu 6.xx versions... but sometime between Ubuntu upgrades it stopped working
[19:15] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I'm considering getting a new hardrive
[19:16] <mzz> if that helps your system (bios) is pretty weird
[19:16] <almoxarife> http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ <-- I managed to get a laptop to suspend/hibernate with the linked package, its not as sexy but it worked for me
[19:17] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: what about low level format of the disk... then create partitions again
[19:17] <ubuntuLover> oh there's something worth trying... can I do that with gparted?
[19:18] <dmatt> i think you can do it from bios or from special tool from HDD manufacturer
[19:18] <mzz> what?
[19:18] <Cyberkilla|AFK> ጂጷ
[19:18] <mzz> what was the actual problem again? a low-level format rarely helps
[19:19] <jbuncher> what exactly is a low-level format?
[19:19] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, ok how do I find out the harddrive manufacturer?
[19:19] <mzz> if you can boot off a livecd and chroot in successfully this really does not sound like the kind of issue a low-level format would help with
[19:19] <dmatt> mzz: ubuntuLover hdd is not booting since some 6.x ubuntu
[19:20] <cov> is nobody else testing karmic on a university wpa2 wireless network? networkmanager regressed to not accept pkcs12 in jaunty and now won't connect using even pem certificates in karmic. It also seems like every single bug filed on the topic gets completely ignored. What gives?
[19:21] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what do you suggest if not low level format?
[19:21] <dmatt> ubuntuLover sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[19:22] <jbuncher> cov :  I haven't used wpa2, but wpa enterprise with a certificate. NM will connect, though I have to re-enter all of the settings each time (due to a bug in how nm is trying to recall the password, which has supposedly been fixed but not released yet)
[19:22] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, what will that do? make it explode for good? lol
[19:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover -i stands for information
[19:24] <cov> jbuncher: yeah I enter all the information and the connect button stays gray.
[19:25] <xrandr> ok, i rebooted, and seem to have lost sound.
[19:25]  * xrandr cries
[19:25] <mzz> ubuntuLover: for starters I'd boot off a livecd and attempt to install grub 1
[19:25] <jbuncher> cov :  what fields do you enter, and what do you put in those fields (I don't need the username and password, obviously)
[19:25] <mzz> ubuntuLover: also doublecheck bios settings for sanity (make sure it's booting the right drive)
[19:26] <ubuntuLover> mzz, trust me I've checked bios dozens of times
[19:26] <dmatt> mzz, I gave the same advice (install grub1), but grub1 does not work from 6.x release with that disc
[19:26] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, terminal says no such file or directory
[19:26] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I've once fixed some pretty weird boot failures by resetting my bios settings to default and reconstructing them (probably because I didn't reset them after a bios upgrade)
[19:27] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, did you mean /dev/sda1?
[19:27] <dmatt> just sda
[19:27] <mzz> ubuntuLover: especially on older hardware it's possible grub will only work if it's near the front of the drive, in which case reinstalling with a separate /boot at the front of the drive may help
[19:28] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I don't thinks it's a bios issue because it stopped working bettwen usuntu upgrades at some point back in the time of Ubuntu 6.xx... I've never upgraded the BIOS
[19:28] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if it's an lba-related issue it's possible it happened to work in 6.06 because your kernel and grub happened to end up near the front of the drive
[19:28] <ubuntuLover> mzz, ok so should I cheat a /boot partition for Grub?
[19:29] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if that's it it *should* fail with a comprehensive error message, but I don't remember if it always actually does
[19:29] <mzz> ubuntuLover: imho it's worth trying, but it tends to be painful to add a partition near the front of the drive if you've already installed.
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> mzz, true
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> I don't mind reinstalling though since I have no data in it
[19:30] <jbuncher> cov :  How exactly do you tell network manager to connect to your university network?
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> it's a fresh install already
[19:30] <mzz> ubuntuLover: and you *are* installing grub to the mbr, right?
[19:30] <Petengy> after 12 hours of hard work I wasn't able to activate the nvidia drivers on my karmik (installed yesterday) ... someone else had the same problems with nvidia driver?
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> mzz, that's right
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> mzz, is there any way of checking that grub was actually installed properly?
[19:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if it's installed properly it'll boot :P
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> LOL
[19:31] <dmatt> lol
[19:31] <jbuncher> Petengy, nope, but I have a pretty old card (6800 GTX) and just used the 185 package in the repositories.  Works like a charm.
[19:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: also try "sudo file -s /dev/sda" (assuming sda is the drive we're talking about)
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> I meant if grub is in the MBR but for some obscure reason the bios can't find it
[19:32] <ubuntuLover> yes sda is the drive
[19:32] <jbuncher> mzz ubuntuLover :  well, it will boot up to grub at least :P
[19:32] <Petengy> jbuncher: u are lucky ... me no ... :(
[19:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if grub's there "file" should tell you about it
[19:32] <jbuncher> Petengy, did you try installing from the repositories?  what kinds of issues are you getting?
[19:33] <ubuntuLover> erm.. mzz...
[19:33] <Petengy> jbuncher: I installed from "hardware drivers" and the issue is a totally black screen during boot
[19:33] <ubuntuLover> it came up with a bunch of... erm...
[19:34] <jbuncher> Petengy, does it work after boot?
[19:34] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin away if you can't parse the output
[19:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, the command returned a lot of info but nothing about grub
[19:34] <mzz> that's not right
[19:34] <mzz> pastebin?
[19:34] <Petengy> jbuncher: no only a black screen, nothing else, both in normal and recovery modes
[19:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I can't paste it I'm on a seperate computer (mac)
[19:35] <bjsnider> Petengy, which graphics card
[19:35] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what should I be looking for?
[19:35] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, this is how beginning of mine looks: /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 61432497 sectors; partition 2:
[19:35] <jbuncher> Petengy, does alt+F1 get you to a terminal you can see?
[19:35] <ubuntuLover> yeah somwhat similar to mine
[19:35] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I lied, looks like karmic's version of "file" doesn't know about grub 2
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: no
[19:36] <dmatt> mzz, i actually run it on jaunty with grub1
[19:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, phew, I was starting to feel confused :)
[19:36] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if grub 1 is installed it should say "GRand Unified Bootloader" after "x86 boot sector"
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: video cards two g7500 sli
[19:36] <mzz> dmatt: what, jaunty's "file" doesn't detect grub either?
[19:36] <mzz> bah, sec
[19:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, nope it doesn't say any of that
[19:36] <dmatt> mzz, nope
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: if I rember
[19:37] <jbuncher> Petengy, is this a fresh karmic install or did you upgrade from jaunty?
[19:37] <ubuntuLover> mzz, is there any other way of checking if grub 2 is there?
[19:38] <Petengy> jbuncher: I upgraded from jaunty
[19:38] <yermandu> grep: /proc/asound/card*/*codec*/*: No such file or directory 0.o
[19:38] <mzz> ubuntuLover: attempting to boot would still be the obvious one (other than making sure "grub-install /dev/sda" didn't error out)
[19:38] <Petengy> jbuncher: to understand : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244488&page=2
[19:38] <jbuncher> Petengy, ok, so you should still have grub 1/legacy installed (unless you manually upgraded to grub 2).  Have you tried editing hte boot line and deleting "quiet" and "splash"?
[19:38] <tag_> Oh wow, this has an integrated graphics module, maybe I should just rock the intel
[19:39] <mzz> dmatt: weird, works for me if I feed the start of a drive with grub 1 on it to karmic's "file"
[19:39] <Petengy> jbuncher: ....no.....
[19:39] <dtchen> yermandu: that path is only valid for AC'97 codecs
[19:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, grub-install might have errored a little bit (insert embarrased emoticon here)
[19:40] <mzz> "a little bit"?
[19:40] <dtchen> yermandu: if you have HDA, it's just /proc/asound/card*/*codec*
[19:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin output?
[19:40] <ubuntuLover> mzz, will have to try again...
[19:40] <ubuntuLover> can you wait a couple of mins?
[19:40] <yermandu> k dtchen
[19:40] <jbuncher> Petengy, wait, so the link you gave, did that solve your issue?
[19:41] <Petengy> jbuncher: no, not for me and not for ather users in that forum, I think I have to wait for some bug fixes from canonical
[19:41] <dtchen> yermandu: also, neither Debian nor Ubuntu ship alsaconf now.
[19:41] <bjsnider> sli has to be specified in the xorg.conf file
[19:42] <Petengy> jbuncher: if I understand there some bugs with kernel......
[19:42] <darrend> hi - I'm getting very choppy graphics in bzflag with nvidia.  Any known issues with those?
[19:42] <yermandu> i can not find alsa conf dtchen , i try m-a i-a dtchen
[19:43] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I'm following these instructions
[19:43] <dmatt> mzz, maybe only karmic file handle it??
[19:43] <ubuntuLover> http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[19:44] <mzz> dmatt: possible. Oh wait, I actually have a jaunty chroot. Sec.
[19:44] <ubuntuLover> mzz, stuck on step 6 of instructions on link above with error
[19:45] <dtchen> yermandu: right. As I stated, neither Debian nor Ubuntu ship alsaconf.
[19:45] <ubuntuLover> mzz, /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 236: cannot create /boot/grub/grub/cfg.new: directory non eexistent
[19:46] <dtchen> yermandu: It has been gone from Ubuntu since Breezy; Debian testing no longer ships it.
[19:46] <mzz> ubuntuLover: that sounds like you typoed "grub/cfg" where it should be "grub.cfg"
[19:46] <ubuntuLover> mzz, *slaps right hand*
[19:47] <ubuntuLover> mzz, ok now with fixed command I get cannot find list of partitions
[19:47] <cov> jbuncher: I fill out all the fields with paths to the PEM certificates, CA certificate, etc.
[19:48] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin the output
[19:48] <mzz> (commandline + output)
[19:48] <jbuncher> cov : what kind of authentication?
[19:48] <ubuntuLover> can't, I'm irc-ing from another puter (mac)
[19:48] <cov> WPA enterprise TLS
[19:48] <ubuntuLover> but will type it
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> Generating grub.cfg
[19:49] <cov> (WPA2)
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found linux image: ...
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found initrd image: ...
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found memtest86+ image: ...
[19:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover: assuming the ubuntu system has network access: apt-get install pastebinit on it
[19:50] <jbuncher> Petengy, looks like it was a bug in the c library:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[19:50] <cov> jbuncher: http://www.vtluug.org/wiki/index.php?title=VT_Wireless#Connecting_by_NetworkManager
[19:50] <cov> jbuncher: http://www.vtluug.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Nm_vt_wireless_options.png
[19:50] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what will that do?
[19:50] <cov> those are the instructions for jaunty but the info is all the same
[19:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover: allow you to pastebin stuff there, for example by appending "2>&1 | pastebinit" to that command you just ran
[19:51] <mzz> dmatt: and just confirmed that "file" in jaunty does not detect grub
[19:51] <dmatt> mzz: yop
[19:51]  * mzz hugs schroot + lvm-snapshot
[19:52] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what's pastebinit?!
[19:52] <mzz> ubuntuLover: a script that can pastebin (as long as it has network access) without needing a browser
[19:53] <jbuncher> cov :hmm, ok.  I don't use the user certificates and private keys, so I'm not sure if I'm setting those correctly, but my connect button also remains grayed out.  Hopefully the recent fixes will deal with this issue as well.
[19:54] <Byron> I have a desktop that randomly disconnects from the network if the desktop doesn't freeze first. How can I check for the cause of this issue? Been happening with the last 2-3 releases.
[19:55] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I'll connect using xchat on the machine I'm trying to fix so I can paste the stuff here
[19:55] <ubuntuLover> brb
[19:55] <mzz> nooo
[19:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover: paste*bin*
[19:55] <mzz> use a browser if you prefer, but don't paste straight into this channel
[19:55] <dmatt> mzz, you showing quite some tricks here
[19:56] <aguitel> i have some slow boot up problem with it
[19:56] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, pastebin will produce short http address, where output of your command will be shown
[19:58] <artnie> ubuntuLover: that's why people will be able to read output of your command in the internet .. without flooding this chanel ..
[19:58] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, this is ubuntuLover
[19:59] <ubuntuLover2> from ubuntu machine
[19:59] <aguitel> when my system boot appears "grub loading " and 30 sec later the grub image ,is this is ok ?
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> Hi
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> I finally got this installed
[19:59] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, I still don't understand the importance of pastebin!
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> Which drivers should I download for my nvidia card?
[20:00] <SpacePigeon> nvidia-??
[20:00] <mauri> i need a program with gui in order to sy 2 foldersncronize
[20:00] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[20:01] <dodddummy> is it a known issue that sometimes windows don't switch when you click on them in the taskbar?
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> root@ubuntu:/# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Generating grub.cfg ...
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> grep: /proc/mounts: No such file or directory
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Cannot find list of partitions!
[20:01] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: in case yo're not joking, try to imagine pasting here the whole dmesg
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> done
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> root@ubuntu:/#
[20:02] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, there are 400+ in hear now.  imagine if everyone pasted like that.
[20:02] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, oops! I wasn't, I'm just running out of time for tonight
[20:03] <ubuntuLover2> and spending time understading what pastebin is will mean I'll have to start from scratch tomorrow tryinn to fix this nightmare :(
[20:03] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, posting like that is likely to add to the time you get help.  at least it would in most channels
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntuLover2, update-grub after you run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:03] <ubuntuLover2> BluesKaj, even despite the error?!
[20:04] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, that page is very deprecated
[20:04] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, I just don't know if to use the Hardware Drivers package or just run a $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-*
[20:04] <dmatt> mzz, is there a way to run pastebinit and at the same time see output in console?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> that's why you have the error, if you keep repeating the command
[20:05] <k5ehx> dmatt: use tee?
[20:05] <ubuntuLover2> dodddummy, dmatt, mzz, I'm really sorry for pasting here, I'm just running out of time, been trying to fix this for hours and getting late now...
[20:06] <BluesKaj> SpacePigeon, ok, what nvidia card,then look for it by typing the card name in a package manager and choose properties on the various drivers listed to find which driver your card needs
[20:06] <yermandu> my sound start mute
[20:06] <dmatt> ubuntuLover2: now everybody wants to see some success in your case, just finish it :)
[20:07] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, tell that to my very patient neglected girlfriend lol ;)
[20:07] <mzz> dmatt: the output's a bit ugly, but perhaps "echo 'hello tee' | tee >(pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com)"
[20:07] <Strogg_> hello, last update ask for removal of "menu" package, is it replaced ?
[20:07] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, well, now my card appeared in hardware drivers. Should I use that package?
[20:07] <mzz> dmatt: it's a bit messy because you need to see the output from pastebinit itself too, to know what url you got
[20:07] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "mount -t proc proc /proc" and try again
[20:08] <bjsnider> Spaceman, yes you should
[20:08] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, try again from where?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> SpacePigeon,if your card is listed then that driver is the one to use
[20:08] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, doesn't bother me.  just trying to pass on experience gained since early irc days.  i've been kicked and not helped a lot over the years  :)
[20:09] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: same place you got that "Cannot find list of partitions" before
[20:09] <mzz> Strogg_: define "ask for"
[20:09] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, did that... mount command ran fine but grub-mkconfig ouput same error
[20:10] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: did you run that mount command from the right terminal (the chrooted one you're running grub-mkconfig from)?
[20:10] <Strogg_> mzz, i mean after running dist-upgrade then apt-get autoremove
[20:10] <mzz> Strogg_: ah. It's possible something dropped it as a dependency.
[20:10] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yep ;o) I'm dumb but not that much :-p
[20:11] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that's very weird. What's present in /proc?
[20:11] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: /proc/mounts really should exist now
[20:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, can't one of your nice hackers get into my machine and fix it, I'd even pay you for that :D
[20:11] <eitreach_> Is there a way to get mouse gestures in Compiz back in 9.10?
[20:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, how do I know what's in proc?!
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: ls /proc
[20:12] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, erm... too much to paste here
[20:12] <eitreach_> use pastebin.com. :)
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: cat /proc/mounts
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: or "pastebinit /proc/mounts" for that matter :)
[20:13] <cov> jbuncher: yeah, I hope so too :)
[20:14] <Byron> Can I safely upgrade to ext4 from ext3 without losing data or formatting?
[20:14] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/fd4fe4eb
[20:14] <ubuntuLover2> I made pastebin work, I'm so proud :D
[20:15] <topyli> Byron, safely? it's a hard disk. make sure you're backed up :)
[20:15] <BluesKaj> !ext4
[20:15] <artnie> Byron: yes, just don't forget to umount partion :)
[20:15] <jbuncher> Byron, in short, probably, but back up to be sure.
[20:15] <Bodsda> I can only find dvd iso's for karmic, is this right? If not can someone point me to the location of the cd iso's?
[20:15] <dtchen> Byron: it's possible, yes. I did it. And topyli has the right idea -- don't do it before a backup.
[20:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: and you're *sure* you're still getting "grep: /proc/mounts: No such file or directory" from grub-mkconfig, and you're doing all this from the same (chrooted) shell?
[20:15] <dtchen> Bodsda: they will be on releases.ubuntu.com
[20:15] <Petengy> jbuncher: TnX for the link you gave me. It's useful to understand :)
[20:15] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, do you want me to start again and pastebin every step?
[20:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that might help
[20:16] <jbuncher> Petengy, no problem, I think I got that one from reading a bit further into the forum link you provided.
[20:16] <Bodsda> dtchen: ah hah. I was on cdimages.ubuntu.co, ty dude
[20:16] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok
[20:16] <ericrw> Byron: take an LVM snapshot first ? :P (IMHO everyone should be using LVM ;-)
[20:16] <gartral> hi all, can someone point me to the beta iso?
[20:16] <mzz> ericrw: seconded
[20:16] <jbuncher> ericrw, just make a dd image onto an external :P
[20:16] <Byron> I can't make backups. The network drops randomly and the desktop freezes when it likes (usually when I least need it to freeze). USB is just a joke.
[20:16] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, erm... how do I get back to the normal shell out of the chroot?
[20:16] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "exit"
[20:17] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I feel stupid
[20:17] <cowgarden> how is the new audio thing called? my better soundcard stopped working and I'd like to look that up. (dmx6 fire ice1712 core)
[20:17] <topyli> Byron, fine. just be prepared to lose data, because eventually you will
[20:17] <jbuncher> Byron, if you're having those kinds of issues, it's likely a hardware problem (if it's been happening for a few releases).  Try running hardware tests on your ram and hard drive, and I definitely wouldn't upgrade your filesystem while you're experiencing those issues.
[20:17] <k5ehx> gartral: the ubuntu.com website has a big "download the beta" on the front page
[20:17] <eagles0513875> Byron: poke :P
[20:17] <Petengy> jbuncher:  I'll wait ..for a solution :) tnx again
[20:18] <jbuncher> k5ehx, that actually points to the rc images
[20:18] <Byron> topyli: I already have. The first drive was accidentally formatted (not low-level). I've been quotes $1200 to get it back. Not in the budget so the drive is packaged away until then.
[20:18] <rward> anyone else having problems with C1?
[20:18] <rward> U1
[20:18] <rward> ?
[20:18] <k5ehx> jbuncher: true, even though it says beta.
[20:18] <Byron> eagles0513875: poke
[20:18] <eagles0513875> ask your question away Byron
[20:19] <jbuncher> k5ehx, just wanted to mention that in case the questioner wanted the beta for older packages, in case the rc wasn't working for them.
[20:19] <artnie> rward: what is U1?
[20:19] <rward> Ubuntu 1, the Cloud part in 9.10RC
[20:19] <topyli> i wonder why i can't use my samba share anymore
[20:20] <Byron> eagles0513875: You're a bit late ;)
[20:20] <eagles0513875> Byron: you got your answer
[20:21] <jbuncher> topyli, clarify?
[20:21] <topyli> mount won't mount it, and nautilus won't write to it (will read)
[20:21] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, cn't install pastebinit on normal shell can't find it even after updating apt-get
[20:21] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, feels like I'm going backwards
[20:21] <topyli> jbuncher, here's the fstab line: //192.168.0.1/st375063_011 /media/Homebox cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode,umask=777,_netdev  0  0
[20:22] <Docteh> anyone try iscsi root?
[20:22] <topyli> mount returns: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.1/st375063_011, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:22] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: what are you doing outside of the chroot that's worth pastebinning?
[20:22] <Docteh> topyli: check dmesg for an error from cifs
[20:22] <mzz> topyli: try with backslashes instead of forward slashes
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, this installation process... http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide?highlight=%28live%29|%28install%29|%28cd%29
[20:23] <mzz> topyli: that is: "\\192.168.0.1\st375063_011 /media/Homebox cifs ..."
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, just to prove that I am following the steps
[20:23] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: yes, but that's not doing anything interesting outside of the chroot, or at least it shouldn't be
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok
[20:23] <Docteh> if you use \ slashes you might have to double them
[20:24] <mzz> Docteh: you don't, at least not here
[20:24] <mzz> Docteh: but admittedly this isn't on a ubuntu system
[20:24] <topyli> Docteh, there is a promising one: [ 6984.693349]  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
[20:24] <Trunkz> I realise that 9.10 will be released in 4 days time
[20:24] <Trunkz> Is it feasible to upgrade from the RC to the final version?
[20:24] <Trunkz> or will that * break * things? :)
[20:24] <topyli> mzz, i've had the same fstab line for quite some time. it began failing with karmic
[20:24] <Docteh> Trunkz: apt-get ugrade
[20:24] <ericrw> Trunkz: apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:24] <Trunkz> thanks, i know the usual upgrade paths.
[20:25] <Trunkz> i just didnt know if its usual for things to break during upgrades.
[20:25] <mzz> topyli: that's entirely possible. There was a kernel level change (around the 2.6.23 kernel if my notes are accurate) that broke //ip/sharename and require \\ip\sharename, at least on systems without the mount.cifs helper
[20:25] <Docteh> Trunkz: not at 4 days until release
[20:25] <Trunkz> =p
[20:25] <Trunkz> Lovely.
[20:25] <artnie> Trunkz: shouldn't be different then 'normal update'
[20:25] <Trunkz> As soon as vmware finishes, i'll get things hooked up.
[20:25] <Docteh> and if it does break, you can always reinstall or whatever else you'd have done :)
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sorry about this but:
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> pastebinit grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> Unable to read from: grub-mkconfig
[20:26] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 2>&1 | pastebinit
[20:26] <dodddummy> the windows not switching when clicked on is starting to bug me.
[20:26] <topyli> mzz, thanks, but it didn't help
[20:26] <mzz> topyli: same failure in dmesg, and you didn't double the backslashes?
[20:27] <dodddummy> doesn't seem to be a mouse or xorg thing as it only happens on the taskbar
[20:27] <topyli> mzz, i did not double them
[20:27] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f4753f877
[20:27] <mzz> topyli: (assuming you're editing fstab, if you're doing "mount -t cifs ..." you do need to double them)
[20:27] <theacolyte> So... installing dual boot alongside Windows 7 - installer seems to favor my 2nd drive to install if I want to boot side by side. Is there a way that I'm missing to have it install on sda instead of sda?
[20:27] <theacolyte> sdb, rather
[20:27] <topyli> mzz, i edited fstab and yes dmesg returns the same error
[20:27] <Docteh> Trunkz: do an update when the main channel is full of people asking when exactly the release isos will be available ;)
[20:27] <mzz> topyli: is mount.cifs installed?
[20:28] <topyli> mzz, no :D
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: (that is: does /sbin/mount.cifs exist, which is provided by the smbfs package?)
[20:28] <Trunkz> Docteh: lol.
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: don't install that one just yet
[20:28] <Trunkz> I just havent used ubuntu in a while
[20:28] <Trunkz> and thought i'd use this sandbox as a test, until i can get the varius kernal modules working on my ps3 install.
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: sec, testing
[20:28] <yermandu> how i can uninstall pulseaudio
[20:28] <Docteh> ah
[20:29] <dtchen> yermandu: just disable it; deinstalling it is rather hairy
[20:29] <topyli> mzz, btw i just installed smbfs before seeing you telling me not to. should remove?
[20:30] <mzz> topyli: my dmesg complains about "no username specified" with your mount options
[20:30]  * mzz adds one
[20:30] <mzz> topyli: I wouldn't bother with mount.cifs unless you know you need it
[20:31] <mzz> topyli: works for me with your mount options after adding username=blah
[20:32] <rward> my main problem with U1is that it cant log in.  I can log in through Firefox, but not the U1 app
[20:32] <topyli> mzz, let's see
[20:32] <mzz> topyli: anything interesting in dmesg other than "cifs_mount failed w/return code..."?
[20:33] <mzz> topyli: I'd expect you to get the same "Unknown mount option" complaints for codepage, unicode and umask I'm getting
[20:33] <topyli> mzz, i do get those, and also missing username. i think you're onto something :)
[20:33] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f4753f877
[20:33] <rward> well sometimes  :-S
[20:36] <topyli> mzz, 'username=guest' instead of just 'guest' works. thanks a million!
[20:36] <eyebee> just installed karmic UNR RC on my AA1. Getting Kernel errors each time. Anyone else getting this? I realize it's not stable yet.
[20:36] <mikehh> if I have an up to date beta install is there any point installing the RC
[20:36] <mzz> topyli: and my backslashes vs forward slashes thing was actually wrong, both work
[20:36] <mzz> mikehh: no
[20:37] <topyli> mzz, well i have backslashes now but i guess it's no matter
[20:37] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: odd, digging
[20:37] <aguitel> any way to downgrade grb2 ?
[20:38] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yeah me 2
[20:38] <rward> perhaps when the 9.10 is released in 3 days, according to main website, it will be corrected oh well ill see
[20:39] <eyebee> I like what I see in 9.10 so far though. Some nice GUI improvements in my opinion
[20:39] <Martyn> Ugh
[20:39] <Martyn> Too many bugs with PHP in Karmic for 9.10-server
[20:39] <Martyn> zlib.so is missing, which breaks WordPress and other php based solutions .. and php was compiled with debug symbols .. so it's slow
[20:39] <Martyn> gruble
[20:39] <aguitel> any way to downgrade grub2 to legacy ?
[20:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: weird. Is that an up to date version of grub-pc and grub-common?
[20:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I can't find that error message in my local version of grub
[20:40] <thegodhimself> Could someone please help me. I downloaded Karmic and seem to have problems with the video during the installation procedure. I was wandering if I should report it as a bug?
[20:40] <mzz> aguitel: probably, the "grub" package is still grub 1
[20:40] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I can re-install it?
[20:40] <aguitel> mzz, no
[20:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if you haven't recently
[20:40] <mzz> aguitel: no?
[20:40] <aguitel> mzz, beta
[20:40] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sorry I meant getting it again... yes I did update before running this but will again
[20:41] <mzz> aguitel: I don't know what you mean. The "grub" package in karmic seems to be grub legacy ("grub-pc" and "grub-common" are grub 2)
[20:41] <aguitel> mzz, i am running karmic rc
[20:41] <bjsnider> nice to see the gnome thumbnailer no longer tries to thumbnail gigantic movie files
[20:42] <aguitel> mzz, my system boot up slowly
[20:42]  * mzz groans
[20:42] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, just to confirm the pckage is grub-pc right?
[20:42] <eyebee> yes bjsnider nice one that.
[20:42] <mzz> aguitel: you asked "any way to downgrade grub2 to legacy?" and I attempted to answer that question. I have no idea what what you're saying now has to do with that question or my answer
[20:43] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: grub-pc and grub-common
[20:43] <bjsnider> eyebee, you ever have that problem where the thumbnailer takes down nautilus trying to do that?
[20:43] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yep both newest version apt is telling me
[20:43] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: puzzling.
[20:43] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, gld we're both on the same square :D
[20:43] <eyebee> I don't recall it lately, bjsnider, but I'm only running this on a netbook right now, and no large video files on this.
[20:44] <ubuntuLover2> *glad
[20:44] <cowgarden> can someone help me with my soundcard? even found a tutorial, but it did not help
[20:44] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: ah, there we go, it's in os-prober
[20:44] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, in english pease? :)
[20:45] <aguitel> mzz, when the system boot up ,first appears "grub loading" and 30 seconds later appears the grub menu
[20:45] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys" and rerun grub-mkconfig
[20:45] <spasticteapot> Are there any major bugs I should know about? So far, everything has worked beautifully.
[20:45] <bjsnider> analog stereo duplex was not the right setting for this sound card by default. should be digital stereo duplex
[20:45] <mzz> aguitel: I don't know what's up with that. I was trying to answer the question I actually saw you ask (the one about grub legacy).
[20:46] <mzz> spasticteapot: I haven't hit any showstoppers, although the generated grub 2 not picking up my jaunty's separate /boot correctly was annoying
[20:46] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, new pastebin: http://pastebin.com/f40af9cd6
[20:46] <cowgarden> bjsnider, are you talking to me?
[20:46] <bjsnider> cowgarden, no, why?
[20:46] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, that worked now :D
[20:46] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that looks healthy now, so proceed with grub-install /dev/sda iirc
[20:46] <cowgarden> bjsnider, have a soundcard that does not work and wonder what to do...
[20:47] <bjsnider> cowgarden, how do you know it doesn't work?
[20:47] <xrandr> cowgarden: what kind of soundcard?
[20:47]  * mzz must remember to grep through os-prober too when looking for error messages
[20:47] <ubuntuLover2> mzz,  do you want the pastbinit of the output?
[20:47] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: only if there are error messages
[20:47] <cowgarden> xrandr, dmx 6fire 24/96  with an ice1712 core i think
[20:48] <xrandr> cowgarden: did u check on the ubuntu forums?
[20:48] <cowgarden> xrandr, analog in and output working and I'd be pleased allready
[20:48] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, installation finished. no error reported, in its own words.
[20:48] <cowgarden> xrandr, I found this tutorial but it di not work: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.de-side.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F10%2F01%2Fterratec-dmx-6fire-2496-su-ubuntu-karmic-910%2F
[20:49] <mzz> yay
[20:49] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: could attempt a reboot, just in case
[20:49] <LinDrug_> Hi guys, every time I boot these messages appear multiple times: "One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted" "swap:waiting for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" "Press ESC to enter a recovery shell" Is this the LUKS bug which is listed in known issues?
[20:49] <MrKeuner> Hello, my mouse's right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. how can I see what may be wrong with my mouse, mouse settings, or something else?
[20:49] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok do I need to first unmount the hdd?
[20:49] <mzz> LinDrug_: afaik it's ignorable
[20:49] <cowgarden> xrandr, how is the new audio thing called, is it pulseaudio?
[20:49] <xrandr> cowgarden: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997506            |                  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012
[20:50] <mzz> LinDrug_: (setting up cryptswap taking a bit longer than the scripts like, so they're telling you what they're waiting on in case things actually got stuck)
[20:50] <cowgarden> xrandr, I'm talking about karmic (9.10)
[20:50] <xrandr> cowgarden: it might be able to help u
[20:50] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, trying to umount /mnt says the device is busy :-s !
[20:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I usually do, although it probably does the right thing if you don't
[20:50] <cowgarden> xrandr, it worked with 9.04
[20:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: you need to "exit" the chroot and cd elsewhere if you're currently in /mnt
[20:51] <dtchen> cowgarden: you need an explicit channel map
[20:51] <dtchen> cowgarden: it's really an alsa-lib issue
[20:51] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, not in /mnt
[20:51] <LinDrug_> mzz: ah, ok, thx.
[20:51]  * mzz rephrases
[20:51] <cowgarden> dtchen, ok, do you think google will get me any further on that issue or can you tell me how to make such a channel map?
[20:52] <bullhornx> ive installed 9.10, everything worked perfect, ive updated everything, it was still perfect
[20:52] <bullhornx> later 2-3 reboots and sound is gone
[20:52] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: you need to "exit" the chroot if you're currently still chrooted. You also need to cd any shell that's sitting in /mnt elsewhere.
[20:52] <bullhornx> sudo alsa force-reload fixes it but its annoying
[20:52] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, exited chroot no other shell i in /mnt .. still busy an't umount!!
[20:53] <artnie> anyone played around with apt-build? :)
[20:53] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "fuser -m /mnt" (it *is* mounted on /mnt, right?)
[20:53] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yes it is
[20:53] <asraniel> hi there. anybody knows what the prefered way is to install new dictionaries for openoffice? (french, german..)
[20:54] <artnie> asraniel: apt-get :)
[20:54] <cowgarden> dtchen, and do you have the same soundcard?
[20:54] <mzz> asraniel: probably "apt-get install language-support-fr"
[20:54] <mzz> asraniel: (and the same for other languages, obviously)
[20:55] <asraniel> artnie: ok, and what package? there are quite a few spelling realted. aspell, ispeel, thesaurus etc
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, still can't umount after last suggested command
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: what did that output?
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, nothing
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that's unusual.
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: still "busy"?
[20:55] <artnie> asraniel: what language do you need?
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> yeah
[20:56] <mzz> asraniel: language-support-blah is a metapackage that depends on most of those, see the description
[20:56] <dmatt> mzz: what about running fsck for that ubuntuLover hdd? too many issues there
[20:57] <asraniel> artnie: german and french. mzz: thanks, i'll try that
[20:57] <mzz> dmatt: not while it's mounted. I don't understand why my fuser call didn't work, unless I misremembered the arguments.
[20:57] <artnie> asraniel: apt-cache search openoffice | egrep "ger|fre"
[20:58] <mzz> language-support-de and language-support-fr really are easier and should do what you want. There even seems to be a separate ui for installing those (system -> administration -> language support)
[20:59] <dmatt> mzz, its fuser -c for current directory
[20:59] <td123> hows ubuntu 9.10 looking?
[20:59] <mzz> td123: brownish
[20:59] <ubuntuLover2> lol
[20:59] <mzz> dmatt: fuser -m should include those
[21:00] <td123> mzz: I could have guessed that :D
[21:00] <ubuntuLover2> td123, sweet eye candy if you can get it working ;)
[21:00] <cowgarden> td123, mzz became slightly darker and has some better fitting logos, less polish so
[21:00] <artnie> td123: nice it is even without that :)
[21:01] <mzz> cowgarden: please use more punctuation, you confused me
[21:01] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, what's wrong with the Polish?! I love them, great people.
[21:01] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, should I just reboot ignoring the umount issue?
[21:01] <mzz> specifically, please s/mzz/mzz:/
[21:01] <cowgarden> mzz, sry, usually autocomplete does that for me
[21:01] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: probably safe, although fuser not complaining is confusing me
[21:02] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, the logos are less polished and more saturated and milky or something
[21:03] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, yeah I know I'm running it from the Live CD as we chat ;o)
[21:03] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, the pixel style is great :)
[21:03] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, I'm particularly fond of the loading screen...
[21:04] <artnie> ubuntuLover2: you still can't install it ? :)
[21:04] <ubuntuLover2> mzz... should I? should I just? I can barely wait to see if it worked...
[21:04] <cowgarden> what sound thing am I using with 9.10? pulseaudio/alsa/?? and what of that is new (and made my soundcard stop working)
[21:04] <ubuntuLover2> artnie, too long a story to explain yes and no :)
[21:05] <mzz> cowgarden: newer version of pulse (and alsa via a newer kernel), but no fundamental changes I'm aware of
[21:06] <cowgarden> mzz, so how comes we have volume control on an application basis now?
[21:06] <ubuntuLover2> artnie, mzz and dmatt have been amazing at helping...
[21:06] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, I think I uninstalles it somehow :(
[21:06] <mzz> cowgarden: pulse (pavucontrol could do that already, gnome-volume-control got a bit of an upgrade in that area)
[21:06] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, had to get rid of some xubuntu things
[21:06] <artnie> cowgarden: i'm using alsa with Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family)
[21:07] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I'm going for the shutdown button
[21:07] <cowgarden> mzz, artnie, oh why the heck it just doesnt work now :)
[21:07] <cowgarden> "<dtchen> cowgarden: you need an explicit channel map" thats all I got for now
[21:07] <mzz> !soundtroubleshooting
[21:08] <mzz> err
[21:08] <mzz> !sound troubleshooting
[21:08] <draconis> I finally figured out the USB keyboard issue on resume, which happened on all HAL-distros
[21:08] <mzz> bah, I apparently forgot the factoid
[21:08] <mzz> cowgarden: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting may be worth reading
[21:08] <draconis> I just added a sleep.d script which rmmod's usbhid on suspend/freeze, and modprobe's usbhid on resume/thaw
[21:08] <cowgarden> mzz, thx
[21:09] <cowgarden> mzz, could it help to disable the onboard card?
[21:10] <draconis> cowgarden: alsa issues?
[21:10] <mzz> cowgarden: it's possible pulse is defaulting to the wrong card, but I'd expect the volume control to make it fairly obvious if that happened
[21:10] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, mzz, is it ok to reboot or are you still trying to find a way to umount /mnt ?
[21:10] <mzz> draconis: sound issues, no clue if they're pulse or alsa
[21:10] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I'm waiting for you to reboot
[21:10] <draconis> it's helpful to disable pulse and test the sound with alsa alon
[21:11] <cowgarden> draconis, obviously yes...
[21:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sweet, brb either as ubuntuLover or ubuntuLover2
[21:11] <ubuntuLover2> peace
[21:12] <MrKeuner> mouse's *only* right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. Anybody heard such a thing before?
[21:12] <cowgarden> mzz, yea, volume control should work, finds my card too and onboard works to. I turned all knobs up in alsamixer too
[21:13] <robotti^> thank you!
[21:13] <robotti^> my wlan is working now :D
[21:13] <mzz> MrKeuner: no, but a few things worth checking: does xmodmap -pp print a sane modifier map, does xev report any event at all when you press the dead button, and does dmesg report anything odd about the mouse?
[21:13] <robotti^> but touchpad not so good
[21:13] <robotti^> :D
[21:14] <ubuntuLover> mzz, bad news... same black screen with blinkin cursor... argh!
[21:14] <MrKeuner> mzz, xev does not report anything for the dead mouse I am checking the rest now
[21:15] <draconis> speaking of which is there a small volume control applet that only depends on alsa?
[21:15] <MrKeuner> err dead button I mean
[21:15] <ubuntuLover> I think this is a hardwarre issue... maybe a low level format will help
[21:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I seriously doubt it, since grub (and presumably ubuntu's installer) are *writing* grub just fine
[21:15] <draconis> I used to use ossxmix, but OSS doesn't support my usb headset very well
[21:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover: some kind of bios <-> grub 2 incompatibility seems more likely
[21:16] <ubuntuLover> mzz, :'(
[21:16] <mzz> ubuntuLover: or the drive not being in lba mode, in which case you'll get weird failures if grub isn't near the front of the drive, as mentioned earlier
[21:16] <robotti^> oh yeas
[21:16] <mzz> draconis: afaik gnome does have an alsa volume control applet but ubuntu doesn't build it
[21:16] <mzz> draconis: I haven't looked for it, it may be in a different package or a ppa
[21:17] <MrKeuner> mzz, xmodmap -pp prints two columns: physical button and Button code each row goes from for(i=1 to 32) print(i \t i)
[21:17] <mzz> MrKeuner: seeing a 1:1 mapping there is sane
[21:17] <MrKeuner> ok checking dmesg
[21:17] <ubuntuLover> mzz, it starts to sound like too much trouble for me to care to be honest... :(
[21:17] <draconis> mzz: most likely it's just not compiled
[21:17] <mzz> yep
[21:17] <ubuntuLover> mzz, so getting a new hdd would not help either if the bios is the prob
[21:18] <mzz> ubuntuLover: might, might not. This is (obviously) not all that easy to debug, since the system gets stuck well before the kernel has even booted, so you can't conveniently run debugging tools
[21:18] <robotti^> Hello! I have two buttons on my keyboard on laptop for screen brightness
[21:18] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yeah I know, hence why nothing on google helpedna nd why this is my last shot
[21:19] <draconis> mzz: I recall having to hunt down the package name for SDL's OSS support, that was worse though... flash, sdl, openal, etc, all had to be configured
[21:19] <peepsalot> man, the repo servers are sloow right now
[21:19] <ubuntuLover> mzz, but hey at least I can run my usb pen...
[21:19] <peepsalot> any folks here going to a local release party?
[21:20] <robotti^> if I push those, it draws little applet about using setting brightness. But screen brightness does not change. It appeared after I installed Nvidia drivers
[21:20] <MrKeuner> mzz, could not see any errors: http://pastebin.ws/3sntxr
[21:20] <draconis> mzz: hmm, it's probably just in an older distro version
[21:20] <secc> !isitoutyet
[21:20] <mzz> heh
[21:20] <robotti^> I cannot set less brightness for screen.
[21:20] <secc> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
[21:20] <robotti^> it is sad
[21:20] <mzz> MrKeuner: I'd look for a bit of context around those messages, and possibly compare that to what an older kernel logs, assuming it worked there.
[21:21] <mzz> MrKeuner: also possibly interesting: see if "evtest" (from the "joystick" package) sees events when run on the matching /dev/input/ device
[21:21] <mzz> MrKeuner: if "evtest" doesn't see that button either the problem's with the kernel driver. If "evtest" sees it but "xev" does not the problem's with the X driver (usually the "evdev" one)
[21:21] <ubuntuLover> mzz, dmatt, good night everyone... thanks for your time despite the pointless result. I really appreciate it.
[21:22] <MrKeuner> mzz, could it be related to this error message I keep getting? [70173.504058] hub 2-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1
[21:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: doubt it
[21:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: (that doesn't sound like something that'd affect only one mouse button)
[21:22] <codeknight> hi, I just found out that after upgrading to kubuntu 9.10 my internal card reader isn't recognized anymore.
[21:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: u still can use fsck to check that disc, errors might prevent from booting
[21:23] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, thanks, will look that up
[21:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: and that low level format, mzz might be more prone to agree now
[21:23] <mzz> dmatt: yes, but it completely silently getting stuck would be weird, and iiuc he tried more than one install since the working version of ubuntu
[21:24] <dtchen> cowgarden: simply search Launchpad for ice1712 and pulseaudio
[21:24] <mzz> no, I'm not
[21:24] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, mzz seems to disagree about low level format
[21:24] <cowgarden> dtchen, thx
[21:24] <theacolyte> part
[21:24] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, good luck then
[21:24] <ubuntuLover> thanks
[21:24] <mzz> dmatt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting#Transition_away_from_LLF
[21:25] <natewiebe13> just installed 9.10 amd64 and karmic is only showing 2.9 GB where i have 4GB
[21:25] <draconis> when I try to run with init=/bin/sh, there's just a hang. I doubt it has anything do do with this silent freezing
[21:26] <mzz> dmatt: this really doesn't seem like that kind of problem anyway, although I guess running a long smart selftest never hurts
[21:26] <dmatt> mzz, it was meant more this way: use manufacturer tool to diagnose and reformat that disc
[21:27] <mzz> dmatt: I'd run "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" and only resort to manufacturer tools if that finds problems
[21:27] <The_Man_Behind_t> Has anyone had problems with udev after downgrading from Karmic to Jaunty?
[21:27] <The_Man_Behind_t> For some reason, after I downgraded udev is having problems and the kernel event manager won't start
[21:27] <yacc> http://pastebin.com/m4f60683e <= I wonder if this is just my mirror or a generic issue?
[21:28] <mzz> !downgrade
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> >_<
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> Naturally
[21:28] <natewiebe13> anyone having a limit of 2.9GB on 64bit version of karmic?
[21:28] <draconis> well, was it an actual downgrade? or just reinstalling?
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> Actual downgrade
[21:29] <domjohnson> bye
[21:29] <domjohnson> How do you do an actual downgrade?
[21:29] <MrKeuner> mzz, heh, cannot find the /dev/input device my bluetooth mouse might be using... mouse0,1,2,3 did not work
[21:29] <draconis> well, basically setting all the repos to the previous version, update, dist-upgrade
[21:29] <mzz> MrKeuner: you need the "event" devices
[21:29] <mzz> MrKeuner: going through /dev/input/by-path or by-id is usually most convenient
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> Draconis, for the love of god don't do it
[21:30] <draconis> but... it's not one-to-one. if you upgrade and downgrade, you won't end up with what you had
[21:30] <draconis> APT isn't that advanced
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> It's fricked my system completely and no udev won't configure
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> *now
[21:30] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, fsck says teh partition is clean
[21:30] <draconis> The_Man_Behind_t: oh, heck, there are -packages- that I won't even install for reasons of not being able to reverse them
[21:30] <mzz> draconis: pretty sure a bigger problem than apt is a bunch of pre/post install/rm scripts not coping
[21:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: fsck -f
[21:31] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, low level formatt is the next step... which tool can I use for this?
[21:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: again, I really don't recommend messing around with manufacturer tools unless "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" confirms there's a problem
[21:31] <dmatt> try also mzz suggestion: smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[21:31] <ubuntuLover> mzz, nope, the manual said to use fsck.ext4 /partition
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: (that'll take an hour or so, after which you can run "smartctl -a /dev/sda" to get results)
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: yes, but that won't do very much if the partition unmounted cleanly. Try "fsck.ext4 -f /partition".
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: (see the manpage)
[21:33] <MrKeuner> mzz, evtest does not see it either. left mouse, wheel and movements are just fine but right button does not work
[21:33] <mzz> MrKeuner: hardware- or kernel-level (driver) problem then
[21:33] <MrKeuner> could it be a problem with bluetooth system?
[21:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, passed all fsck stages with -f
[21:34] <MrKeuner> mzz, I'll check it on my spouses mac os laptop
[21:34] <mzz> MrKeuner: if you have many buttons you can remap one to be the right mouse button using xmodmap
[21:35] <EagleScreen> xdg-open is not working for me to open a html file (Kubuntu)
[21:35] <GodfatherofEire1> Guys, how can I get the session-indicator-applet to display my name instead of my login again?
[21:36] <c_korn> GodfatherofEire1: I don't think this is configurable.
[21:36] <GodfatherofEire1> c_korn, i coulda sworn that it had my name instead of my login before
[21:36] <c_korn> unfortunately it is less configurable than fusa
[21:37] <c_korn> GodfatherofEire1: yeah, it replaces the fast-user-switch-applet in karmic but does not have its options
[21:37] <GodfatherofEire1> c_korn, I know, but thats what I meant, before on Karmic, i coulda sworn it had my name, not the login
[21:38] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme?
[21:39] <secc> ^^ what he said, but more earnestly
[21:39] <GodfatherofEire1> (what happened was i removed it, in getting rid of libempathy-30, but before I did that, i coulda sworn it had that)
[21:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, smartctl returned a lot of hdd info... want to see it?
[21:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover: yes
[21:40] <mzz> GodfatherofEire1: afaict it displays your login in the panel and your name in the menu when you click that
[21:41] <ubuntuLover> mzz, how if I can't install pastebinit?!
[21:41] <natewiebe13> anyone else running karmic x86_64??
[21:42] <mzz> ubuntuLover: err, redirect output to a file and pastebin that manually using a browser?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, most here are , that's what the +1 means
[21:43] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: no.. i mean the 64 bit version
[21:43] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[21:44] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: ive got 4 gb of ram.. using the "sudo lshw | grep -A 200 memory | grep size:" command, it shows that i have 4GB installed.. but in "system monitor" it only shows 2.9GB
[21:44] <BluesKaj> yes, I am on 64karmic
[21:44] <stpere> secc: we are still waiting for the upstart theme
[21:45] <mzz> the what now?
[21:45] <secc> stpere, it is top secret huh? you mean the startup theme?
[21:45] <secc> or the final theme?
[21:45] <mzz> stpere: upstart is a daemon and doesn't really do themes :)
[21:45] <secc> anywya, will karmic look different and shiny and feel like some hot chick is licking and blowing cool air over my nut sack?
[21:45] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: any ideas? how much ram are you being shown?
[21:46] <maco> !ohmy | secc
[21:46] <maco> secc: seriously, gross
[21:46] <ubuntuLover>  mzz, dmatt, http://pastebin.com/m4161b6fb
[21:46] <maco> take it elsewhere
[21:46] <BluesKaj> 2G , which is correct
[21:46] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: why am i only being shown 3GB when i have 4GB??
[21:47] <secc> maco, ? What? I have a sack full of various nuts and seeds that I use as a healthy snack alternative? and why the hell would that be gross?
[21:47] <mzz> ubuntuLover: that's before smartctl -t long /dev/sda, right?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, , check again , maybe you were looking at your swap
[21:48] <mzz> natewiebe13: I'd check "free -m" and/or /proc/meminfo, just in case whatever tool you're using is weird
[21:48] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yes, I haven't ran it with "long"
[21:48] <mzz> ubuntuLover: looks healthy so far. I'd run a long selftest just in case (takes 92 minutes)
[21:49] <ubuntuLover> mzz, how do I do that?!
[21:49] <The_Man_Behind_t> I must leave, but if anyone can help my problem please post in http://tinyurl.com/yhaj6lq (ubuntu forums)
[21:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover: "smartctl -t long /dev/sda", find something interesting to do for 92 minutes, then "smartctl -a /dev/sda" again (usually smartctl -a will tell you if the selftest's still in progress)
[21:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover: you can use the system while that selftest runs, but I wouldn't reboot and I'd try not to use the drive too much or it'll take even longer.
[21:52] <ubuntuLover> mzz, oh I see the long flag does the long self test... duh!
[21:53] <ubuntuLover> mzz, why -t and not -a ?
[21:54] <natewiebe13> mzz, BluesKaj: http://www.natewiebe.com/Screenshot.pong
[21:54] <natewiebe13> sorry
[21:54] <natewiebe13>  http://www.natewiebe.com/Screenshot.png
[21:54] <mzz> ubuntuLover: -a prints all information, -t blah runs a selftest. See the manpage.
[21:54]  * mzz considers calling his screenshots .pong from now on
[21:54] <hsarci> what package can i install for xvid/divx playback?
[21:54] <Xcell> Good morning/Evening:  Fresh install: has there been changes to compiz?  or  can i not move cube with mouse scroll anylonger?
[21:54] <natewiebe13> mzz: any ideas?
[21:55] <mzz> natewiebe13: curious. Pastebin dmesg?
[21:55] <natewiebe13> command?
[21:55] <mzz> Xcell: intentionally turned off because frequently triggered accidentally. Can be re-enabled through ccsm, afaik.
[21:55] <mzz> natewiebe13: yes
[21:56] <mzz> hsarci: I'd expect totem to install the relevant plugin(s) automatically, although you might have to restart totem after triggering the install
[21:56] <ubuntuLover> mzz, it says test has started to make myself confortable and ask someone for a relaxing back rub
[21:56] <Xcell> any particular switch i should be switching?
[21:56] <mzz> Xcell: I don't currently use compiz, so I'm not going to look it up for you
[21:57] <Xcell> ok
[21:57] <natewiebe13> mzz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/301597/
[21:58] <Xcell> thank you for your time
[21:59] <MrKeuner> mzz, could not test it. Spouse's laptop's bluetooth module has possible died :( Thanks for your insights
[21:59] <natewiebe13> Xcell: i can say that they have made the scroll wheel not change workspaces.. no idea how to turn it back on
[22:00] <Xcell> ya.. i saw that.. just wondering what direction i should look in so i could have an idea..
[22:00] <mzz> natewiebe13: hmm. Are you sure the bios memtest does see the full 4G?
[22:00] <maccam94> is anyone else having trouble with flash videos randomly pausing?
[22:00] <fcuk112> Xcell: it was a bit distracting anyway, you're better off without it.
[22:01] <Xcell> for me personally its an asset
[22:01] <fcuk112> i sometimes triggered it by accident.
[22:01] <natewiebe13> when i go to bios setup.. it shows an overview of the hardware and shows 4GB installed.. also the one command in the screenshot shows 4GB as well
[22:01] <natewiebe13> mzz: ^
[22:01] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme? ????????questionmark
[22:01] <ubuntuLover> mzz, should I see hdd light activity during the test?
[22:01] <jpds> secc: Yes.
[22:01] <secc> \o/
[22:01] <secc> jpds, screenshot?
[22:02] <jpds> No, I don't use it.
[22:02] <Xcell> other than that.. its systems go.. nice job.
[22:02] <secc> oh, I'll googlefap it
[22:02] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I don't know about the activity light, but the hd itself should be active
[22:02] <topyli> secc, i suggest you clean up your language a bit, in order to better succeed on ubuntu channels
[22:02] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, don't worry about the monitor , it's obviously wrong
[22:02] <choman> anyone here testing with a Dell Latitude D600?
[22:03] <mzz> natewiebe13: not sure. Would hunt for known issues with your mobo chipset not exposing all memory.
[22:03] <Xcell> have a good day folks..
[22:03] <mzz> natewiebe13: trying a different kernel or os may also be interesting
[22:03] <fcuk112> anyone have x-fi here?
[22:03] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: i do
[22:03] <natewiebe13> x-fi platinum
[22:03] <mzz> BluesKaj: err, no. dmesg says "Memory: 3082320k/3144256k available" and free -m also sees ~3 G
[22:04] <mzz> BluesKaj: this really isn't just system-monitor, the kernel only picks up 3G while apparently it should be 4
[22:04] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: do you use 5.1 speakers with it?  i am having some problems connecting 2.1 speakers to my fatal1ty pro.
[22:04] <EagleScreen> hi
[22:05] <secc> I googledfaped, saw, and came.
[22:05] <natewiebe13> mzz: why then does "sudo lshw | grep -A 200 memory | grep size:" show 4GB?
[22:05] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: what kind of issues?
[22:05] <EagleScreen> dksm cannot install module bcmwl, how can I find out why?
[22:05] <mzz> natewiebe13: I have no idea what lshw bases that information on
[22:05] <natewiebe13> okay..
[22:05] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: http://superuser.com/questions/60271/5-1-x-fi-soundcard-with-2-1-speakers
[22:05] <nalioth> let us be civil
[22:06] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: do you have 2.1 speakers or 5.1?
[22:07] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: i use 5.1, but there are bad distortions.. there is a bug in it.. so im using 4.0 config right now.. try changing the different sound profiles in "sound preferences"
[22:07] <Gika> hello
[22:08] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: i have tried, but without any joy.
[22:08] <Gika> archive.canonical.com doesn't show in the "origin" section of my synaptic, is that normal behavior?  it used to show in jaunty
[22:08] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: it's currently set to analog surround 5.1.
[22:09] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: how do i set it so that it outputs correctly to 2.1?  there is actually no option for 2.1 setup.
[22:09] <mzz> Gika: I'd only expect that to show up if you have the "partner" repo enabled (and possibly something installed from it too)
[22:09] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: yeah.. right click on the sound applet.. click sound preferences
[22:10] <natewiebe13> under the hardware tab.. click on SB X-Fi and change the profile underneath
[22:10] <Gika> i have the repo in my sources.list, mzz -- it just doesn't show in synaptic.  i think it doesn't even recognize it since it marks my "acroread" package as "local"
[22:10] <mzz> Gika: did you successfully apt-get update recently (after adding that to sources.list)?
[22:10] <Gika> yes, mzz
[22:10] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: if i just select stereo output, i get no sound.
[22:11] <natewiebe13> make sure you are plugged in the right output
[22:11] <mzz> Gika: odd, then. Sorry, I don't really want to randomly install something from that repo just to see if I get the same here
[22:12] <Gika> mzz: it should show in synaptic even if there's nothing installed from it (that would make it impossible to install something from that repo...)
[22:12] <natewiebe13> mzz: only reason i installed amd64 version of karmic was for the extra ram.. theoretically the pae kernel for i386 would do that?
[22:12] <BullHorn> im on 9.10rc, soundcard is lost each boot untill i do sudo alsa force-reload
[22:12] <BullHorn> anyone else encountered that?
[22:12] <mzz> Gika: ah, you're right (I don't use synaptic much)
[22:12] <Xcell> I found the proper switching.. thanks
[22:13] <mzz> natewiebe13: to some extent, afaik, yes.
[22:13] <simba_> for some reason firefox wont close properly when i close it, so i have to do a kill to stop "/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3/firefox"...anyone else have this?
[22:13] <dutchie> is this a good place to ask about making grub 2 work?
[22:13] <natewiebe13> mzz: the onyl reason for the more ram was blender..
[22:13] <natewiebe13> *only
[22:13] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: wtf i was plugged into the wrong output, sigh.
[22:14] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: figured
[22:14] <natewiebe13> :P
[22:14] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: thanks for your help.
[22:14] <natewiebe13> no probs
[22:14] <mzz> natewiebe13: specifically: pointers are still 32 bit, so there's still a limit on the address space any single process can access
[22:14] <Gika> mzz: problem solved (in a pretty random fashion i'd say), thanks anyway!
[22:16] <dutchie> anybody know about grub
[22:16] <dutchie> 2
[22:16] <dutchie> ?
[22:17] <dmatt> !grub2
[22:17] <BullHorn> i hate how ubuntu runs perfectly and then out of the blue, bang, something is different and nobody knows why
[22:18] <dutchie> thanks for that, but it seems to ignore my GRUB_TIMEOUT setting
[22:18] <BullHorn> its not fun going sudo alsa force-reload each boot
[22:18] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/f7d8af517 is /etc/default/grub
[22:18] <BullHorn> and this only happened on the first day
[22:18] <BullHorn> what will happen in a year? ill have a handicapped os in a wheelchair?
[22:18] <BullHorn> :<
[22:18] <mzz> unfortunately I don't seem to hit all that many weird random glitches
[22:19] <mzz> as long as pulse-based sound works reasonably well I'm just not motivated to dig into debugging it
[22:19] <BullHorn> im not motivated into debugging anything
[22:20] <BullHorn> i just want it to work like it worked 5 minutes before it suddenly stopped working ._.
[22:20] <choman> anyone here testing with a Dell Latitude D600?
[22:21] <dmatt> dutchie: try GRUB_TIMEOUT="3"
[22:21] <dupondje> damn :( I fuxored my grub2 on my pc, any idea how to recover ? can't boot :(
[22:22] <Gika> dupondje: boot with a live cd
[22:23] <test34> simba_, once in a while it happens to me
[22:25] <dupondje> omg
[22:25] <dupondje> GnomeBaker can't even burn an iso ? :(
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Cannot load media with this drive!
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Try to load media by hand.
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Aborted by EOF on input.
[22:26] <mzz> dupondje: burn an existing one? brasero did that just fine out of the box here
[22:26] <dupondje> and Brasero: DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found
[22:27] <mzz> but especially if that's a rewritable disk you might simply have to reload by hand as the message says
[22:28] <dupondje> mzz: its just not possible, the burning ends ..
[22:35] <thune3> brasero died before burning for me with udf and regular 9660 burns on 9.10rc had to massage growisofs command to remove lists
[22:36] <FiveAcres> Bullhorn:  Do you know if there has been a bug accepted for the sound problem.  I am apparently having the same on my Lenovo Ideapad Y510.
[22:36] <dupondje> pfft :( dmraid & grub
[22:37] <dupondje> its still not a funny thing :§
[22:37] <FiveAcres> I thought I found a bug for it in Launchpad, but now I can't find it.
[22:37] <david_01> how do I change the login menu to NOT show user names for selection?
[22:39] <jrood> i upgraded to grub2, and made some mistake in the instalation
[22:39] <jrood> so now it doesn't work
[22:39] <jrood> does anyone know how to revert back to grub 1 with a live cd?
[22:41] <jrood> anyone?
[22:44] <jrood> there is a ton of people in here, someone must know how to reinstall grub from a live cd
[22:44] <dmatt> jrood: check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[22:44] <yacc> Has anyone noticed that with current Karmic the rescue mode does not work?
[22:44] <dmatt> !grub2
[22:44] <ikonia> yacc: define does not work ?
[22:45] <jrood> i didn't think it even had a rescue mode
[22:45] <jrood> thanx dmatt
[22:45] <mzz> bah, the grub.cfg generation really is a bit clunky. I can't even force a hidden timeout easily if I have a secondary os installed.
[22:46] <yacc> ikonia, my laptop complains in mountall that it could not mount everything (for whatever reason), grabs the console and offers to give me a shell if I press Esc. Now the rescue mode pop ups it's text mode menu, on the same console, two programs that try to read the same console, chaos :(
[22:46]  * mzz resorts to 40_custom
[22:46] <ikonia> yacc: I've not seen that behaviour at all
[22:47] <yacc> ikonia, well, have you managed mountall to offer you a shell?
[22:47] <Cyberkilla|AFK> mzz: I wouldn't mind making the hide unless SHIFT pressed thing work myself. I have Vista in another partition though: (
[22:47] <VXxed> HI!  I have an issue.  I don't think my acpi is loading properly
[22:47] <mzz> Cyberkilla: another thing is that while having the menu displayed at 1024x768 is really pretty the mode switch is noticably slow. So I think I'll hack it up to only do the mode switch if shift is held.
[22:48] <yacc> Actually, when not going into rescue mode, it seems to work fine (it seems that mountall waits for devices to come up), but then I've got this little problem with nvidia crashing on me when I open a terminal ;)
[22:48] <Desmond> Question: what is Ubuntu+1
[22:48] <Desmond> ?
[22:48] <ikonia> yacc: why would nvidia crash on a non-X display
[22:48] <VXxed> Version 9.10
[22:48] <yacc> Desmond, karmin
[22:48] <ikonia> Desmond: a channel for 9.10 discussion
[22:48] <yacc> karmic
[22:48] <Desmond> yacc, ikonia, thanks
[22:49] <yacc> ikonia, when I boot without rescue mode, X11 comes up, but crashes e.g. when I start urxvtcd :(
[22:49] <VXxed> So, does anyone know how to fix issues with acpi loading and whatnot?  My laptop fans aren't exactly spinning and I don't want to destroy the cpu
[22:49] <Cyberkilla> mzz: Did you find a way to make it hide until shift is pressed, or does that remain an ongoing issue with GRUB2?
[22:49] <mzz> Cyberkilla: I'm doing that now
[22:49] <ikonia> yacc: X shouldn't come up, sounds like a problem
[22:49] <yacc> Desmond, actually it's the channel for discussion of the next release of Ubuntu, so in about 2 week it's will be for 10.4
[22:50] <yacc> ikonia, not in rescue mode. X11 SHOULD come up during normal boot, I'd say.
[22:50] <Desmond> yacc, makes sense
[22:50] <ikonia> yacc: yes, in normal boot it should,
[22:50] <Desmond> Anyone here  a macbook pro user who has found success?
[22:50] <Cyberkilla> mzz: Ah, okay. Good luck then;-) It's a needless pause in the boot process.
[22:50] <ikonia> I've just come down from using my macbook pro upstairs
[22:50] <bjsnider> the crackbook should work. it's mostly intel/atheros/nvidia stuff
[22:51] <ikonia> it's called a "Mac Book"
[22:51] <bjsnider> it is?
[22:51] <mercutio22> Hello
[22:51] <yacc> Anyway, I today did not manage to boot up Karmic anymore. I had panics (capslook blinks), crashing nvidia, and an unuseable rescue mode ;)
[22:52] <mercutio22> I think my boot options are lacking the latest kernel options. How can I update it?
[22:52] <mercutio22> I don't find menu.lst
[22:52] <yacc> mercutio22, update-grub?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: sudo update-grub
[22:52] <mercutio22> yacc, Jordan_U Thats it?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Karmic uses GRUB2, which uses grub.cfg instead of menu.lst
[22:53] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Yes
[22:53] <yacc> mercutio22, yep.
[22:53] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I will give it a shot
[22:53] <mercutio22> brb
[22:53] <DevelopmentStage> What's the easiest way to configure startup services in Karmic?  I used to use rcconf but it does not work in Karmic (bug perhaps?)
[22:53] <m0ar> How to install KDE 4.3.2 at karmic?
[22:54] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:54] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: From ubuntu 9.10?
[22:54] <bjsnider> assuming he's already using kde
[22:54] <yacc> ikonia, and to make my happyness complete, the vesa driver does not work on my card either ;)
[22:54] <m0ar> Now using gnome..
[22:55] <ikonia> yacc: now that is dissapointing
[22:55] <dupondje> lol this is a joke? Can't even burn an ISO on Karmic :(
[22:55] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: I'm using gnome atm, and it's a clean install, never used kde at it
[22:55] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: download the Kubuntu liveCD and install then do the upgrade..
[22:55] <RussellAlan> where can i find some info on cloud? what it means etc
[22:55] <yacc> ikonia, yeah, my HP2050eg tablet has a hate/love relationship with Ubuntu, with a tendency to the hate side :(
[22:55] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: Won't that install a whole new OS? ;s
[22:56] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: It is more trouble than it is worth trying to turn a Gnome system into KDE..It's a mess
[22:56] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Uh, not it isn't.
[22:56] <DevelopmentStage> Unless you have something like Gentoo that can do slots
[22:56] <wgrant> m0ar: Just install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[22:56] <VXxed> yacc: I found a link earlier today that's great for configuring tablets
[22:56] <ziroday> m0ar: install kubuntu-desktop and then take a loo at !purekde
[22:56] <wgrant> That will install Kubuntu as well.
[22:56] <bjsnider> wgrant, he doesn't have karmic right now
[22:56] <m0ar> wgrant: Never been like that, always been adding repos etc..
[22:57] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: Really?  I just want to try it, not stay with it.. I never get that intimate with KDE :D
[22:57] <yacc> ikonia, since Jaunty thermal shutdowns (nobody at Ubuntu seems to take that serious, they are just merging all, atleast partially different bugs that mention thermal shutdown), ...
[22:57] <wgrant> m0ar: Why are we talking about adding repos?
[22:57] <mzz> Cyberkilla: close! timeout works but I broke the switch to a graphical terminal
[22:57] <mzz> Cyberkilla: well, lack of timeout really
[22:57] <m0ar> wgrant: To install kde?   Have always been a pain in the ass for me
[22:57] <yacc> ikonia, and now I've reached a point where the stupid tablet does not boot anymore :(
[22:57] <DevelopmentStage> I wisah Ubuntu could do slotted installs like Gentoo.  It makes it SO much easier to run things like KDE and Gnome on same machine without any conflicts
[22:58] <wgrant> m0ar: You just need to install the 'kubuntu-desktop' metapackage. It has been the same since... Ubuntu 5.10?
[22:58] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: err, what?
[22:58] <yacc> VXxed, I don't need the tablet part that much, and btw, since Jaunty it works reasonably well for a casual user.
[22:58] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: and have all the Gnome menu icons in KDE? No thanks..
[22:58] <m0ar> wgrant: For 4.3.2?
[22:58] <m0ar> wgrant: Okay, will try then.. Thanks
[22:58] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: ?
[22:58] <ziroday> !purekde > DevelopmentStage
[22:58] <VXxed> yacc: I think the main part of that link that I remember and will later use is how to config the proprietary screen buttons
[22:58] <wgrant> m0ar: 4.3.2, yes.
[22:58] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: slotting has to do with running multiple versions of the same program, not with running (say) kde and gnome. And you can normally fake it by using different package names.
[22:58] <Jordan_U> DevelopmentStage: You can just configure the .desktop files for KDE apps to only show in KDE and vice versa
[22:59] <m0ar> wgrant: May ~500 mb be correct?
[22:59] <Jordan_U> DevelopmentStage: Or if you really want use a chroot
[22:59] <wgrant> m0ar: That sounds about right.
[22:59] <m0ar> wgrant: Okay, thank you very much! <3
[22:59] <m0ar>  :D
[22:59] <DevelopmentStage> OK, I want to know the preferred way to configure startup services in Karmic.  rcconf does not work (perhaps I should file a bug)?
[22:59] <yacc> VXxed, well, I've got more basic troubles (thermal ones, although the newest Karmic kernels are only ~15° warmer then hardy), kernel panics, crashing X11, and so on ;)
[22:59] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: (one gentooism ubuntu might not offer is the ability to install more than one version of kde in parallel)
[23:00] <wgrant> mzz: And what a loss that is...
[23:00] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: and if it doesn't work filing bugs is usually appropriate :)
[23:00] <yacc> ikonia, any idea how to approach the problem?
[23:00] <mzz> wgrant: I'm just guessing at why he's mentioning slots here
[23:00] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: karmic moved to Upstart for lots of services.
[23:00] <VXxed> yacc: Yeah, my fans aren't turning on in Karmic...I'm pretty sure it's an acpi loading issue, but nobody's around that can seem to help
[23:00] <m0ar> wgrant: Hm.. I get to intimate in #linux and #ubuntu/-1
[23:00] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: I'm not sure if there is a tool for that, but you need to play around in /etc/init
[23:00] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: yes but HOW DO I CONFIGURE them?  Simple question
[23:00] <ikonia> yacc: I'd first of all search the hardware for known problems/version supports
[23:00] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: define "them"
[23:00] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: looks like update-grub is not being able to update my boot options properly
[23:01] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: How so?
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> mzz avahi, br1llty, timidity, etc..
[23:01] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: My first attempt would be to rename the relevant .conf file to .conf.disabled
[23:01] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:01] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: afaict most services you might actually want to toggle are still sysv init scripts, and I'd expect the old tools to still work on them
[23:01] <wgrant> Some of those will still be legacy.
[23:01] <wgrant> So should be configured the same as always.
[23:01] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: avahi is upstart now iirc, checking the rest
[23:01] <wgrant> But avahi is upstart.
[23:01] <wgrant> Right.
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> --sigh--
[23:01] <yacc> VXxed, well, it's not the fans in my case, it's probably the way the CPU is handled, but the thermal issue has me pissed off, notbecause it's not fixed, that can be, but just merging obviously different problem descriptions because they have the same subject :(
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> How can I know what is upstart and what isnt?
[23:02] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Stuff in /etc/init is upstart. The rest is not.
[23:02] <yacc> ikonia, where do I search that?
[23:02] <ikonia> yacc: interenet
[23:02] <DevelopmentStage> I hate having a gazillion services start that I dont need
[23:02] <yacc> ikonia, google?
[23:02] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I still have jaunty linsted! What can I do?
[23:02] <ikonia> yacc: make a list of your hardware and check what versions of things like the kernel each hardware device needs and known bugs
[23:02] <Jordan_U> !minimal | DevelopmentStage
[23:02] <VXxed> yacc: Blech.  That's no good.
[23:03] <DevelopmentStage> Jordan_U: thanks Jordan, maybe I will just do a fresh install with minimal
[23:03] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: It's likely that you only have your jaunty kernel listed, you can remove old kernels ( and other things ) in System > Administration > Computer Janitor
[23:03] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: the others are sysv, assuming you meant brltty. The old tools really should work for those, I'm pretty sure.
[23:03] <yacc> ikonia, nice idea, but to make a list of my hardware I currently need a live CD of some other linux distribution :(
[23:03] <carpenike> hi alll, how do I add a boot parameter to my kernel line in grub2?
[23:03] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: rcconf doesnt work..try it for yourself.  It lists services as being disabled that are running and vice versa
[23:04] <Jordan_U> carpenike: Edit /etc/default/grub
[23:04] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I will try that
[23:05] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: rcconf will most likely show wrong things about services managed by upstart
[23:05] <carpenike> Jordan_U: if i want to add pci=nomsi to the kernel line, which variable do i edit?
[23:05] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: I take it there is no tool to configure upstart services?
[23:06] <|RussellAlan|> anyone have projector knowledge?
[23:06] <|RussellAlan|> woops
[23:06] <Jordan_U> carpenike: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[23:06] <carpenike> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=nomsi"
[23:06] <carpenike> look right?
[23:06] <yacc> ikonia, using the laptop name and Karmic and Jaunty return mostly my own error reports.
[23:07] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: rename them to disable them, or remove the packages if you really don't need them ?
[23:07] <DevelopmentStage> for some reason the command "sysvinit" does not work even though I have it installed
[23:07] <yacc> ikonia, OTOH, all reports of sucessful installs refer to older releases, like Hardy.
[23:07] <JanC> or edit the upstart config for that service
[23:07] <VXxed> On the same point that carpenike is asking
[23:07] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: Where is the upstart config?
[23:07] <mmcji> i have the latest RC1 of ubuntu 9.10 installed on a Dell E5500 Latitude.  This laptop has Intel GMA 4500 video.  Laptop resolution if fine, but I am not able to adjust video resolution when connected to a larger widescreen LCD.  What can I do?
[23:07] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: What do you expect 'sysvinit' to do?
[23:07] <VXxed> Is "GRUB_MDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi=force" correct?
[23:08] <nxnn14> Hi all I just performed an update within Karmic. I update daily and when I clicked to restart my comp it got stuck on the splash screen and wont boot and I have tried to restart but it isnt booting into ubuntu
[23:08] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: like you've already been told, in /etc/init/
[23:08] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: Allow me to configure services..According to google at least.
[23:08] <mzz> VXxed: no (CMDLINE, to MDLINE)
[23:08] <mzz> s/to/not/
[23:08] <DevelopmentStage> I want something simple, like a menu with little checkmarks..Like rcconf used to do..I dont want to go mucking around in /etc/init.d
[23:08] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: hit google over its virtual head, it's not making sense
[23:09] <dupondje> pfft wtf, Brasero can't even handle to burn a simple ISO ?
[23:09] <JanC> not /etc/init.d/ but /etc/init/
[23:09] <mzz> dupondje: worked for me :(
[23:09] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: whatever you get my point
[23:09] <mzz> dupondje: it's really not fair, I don't get all those fun mysteriously failing programs even though I might be able to debug the problem
[23:09] <dupondje> !pastebin
[23:10] <ikonia> yacc: hence known bugs/problems
[23:10] <bjsnider> mzz, you've set your system up correctly, no doubt
[23:10] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: I have a thingy called sysv-rc-conf installed that *looks* like it offers the checkmarks you're after, but I'm not going to sanitycheck it right now
[23:10] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: From google:  This is a text-based application that allows you to configure which services are started at boot time for each runlevel. It is simple interface for configuring runlevels. sysvconfig is just like ntsysv under Red hat Linux.
[23:10] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/301630/
[23:10] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: svsvinit != sysvconfig
[23:10] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: that's what sysvconfig does
[23:11] <DevelopmentStage> sysvconfig then..sorry
[23:11] <mercutio22> I just upgraded from jaunty a few minutes ago. "uname -a" reveals I am using an old kernel and I only see jaunty options at grub. How can I fix that? update-grub will not do.
[23:11] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: you really use runlevels ?
[23:12] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: and according to aptitude, sysvinit has replaced sysvconfig, so they are the same thing
[23:12] <dupondje> mzz
[23:12] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/301630/
[23:12] <mzz> mercutio22: wild guess would be grub 2 got installed, your new kernels are configured in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but grub 2 never got written to the mbr or the boot sector used. In which case "grub-install /dev/sda" (sanitycheck the partition used there!) might help, or might make your system not boot at all :)
[23:12] <mercutio22> mzz: thanks
[23:12] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: What are you trying to achieve? Nothing good or useful, is my guess.
[23:12] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: Yes I use runlevels because Linux uses runlevels last I checked?
[23:13] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: To shutdown services that take up RAM, that's what!
[23:13] <mzz> wgrant: I haven't actually tried to achieve this yet, but I want a bunch of services like cron disabled if I'm booted into the realtime kernel
[23:13] <JanC> no, sysvinit uses runlevels, upstart emultes them, and several distro's don't use them...
[23:13] <dupondje> now it doesn't see the cd-rom drive anymore
[23:13] <dupondje> wtf :(
[23:13] <HBX> i've been getting slow downs and reporting problems with apps
[23:13] <bjsnider> i don't know what services would be started that you'd definitely not need by default
[23:13] <HBX> kernel crashes too
[23:13] <mercutio22> mzz: I will try that and report back
[23:14] <DevelopmentStage> bjsnider: Many..  On Jaunty I probably shut down a dozen services when I first installed it.  Karmic has totally changed everything and I can no longer do it
[23:14] <carpenike> Ok that fixed it.
[23:14] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: runlevels are a sysvinit thing (although replacement init systems may use something similar, and while karmic uses upstart it runs a sysvinit emulation layer on top). "Linux uses runlevels" is inaccurate.
[23:14] <zniavre> !grub2
[23:14] <carpenike> How do i install the app that allows me to play encrypted dvds in 9.10?
[23:14] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: did you try uninstalling those services?
[23:14] <bjsnider> DevelopmentStage, a dozen services? come on, that's hyperboli
[23:14] <mzz> also, JanC already said all that more concisely :)
[23:14] <Jordan_U> !dvd | carpenike
[23:14] <carpenike> thanks.
[23:15] <dupondje> this feels so sad :(
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> I am amazed that it is so difficult to simply turn a service on or off..Fedora has a little GUI menu where you can do it in 30 seconds..Why cant Ubuntu do this?
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> bjsnider: Yes I would say 8-10, no kidding
[23:15] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Because very, very few people have any need at all to do it, and we are in the middle of a big migration to Upstart.
[23:15] <wgrant> It is rightly not a high priority.
[23:15] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: "sudo service blah stop" works, and I'd expect the tools you're used to to still work for the sysv ones. Again: if they don't: file bugs if there aren't any yet
[23:15] <test34> DevelopmentStage, are you sure you don't mean 4-5?
[23:15] <mercutio22> mzz: No... I still ony see jaunty options and splash screen is messed up, a mix between jaunty and karmic
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> test34: No I mean 8-10 at least
[23:16] <mzz> mercutio22: which grub menu do you get? Iirc grub reports its version at the bottom of the screen.
[23:16] <dupondje> ok and now ? can't wipe the disk, can't find the disk
[23:16] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: which ones (just curious)?
[23:16] <dupondje> its broken :(
[23:16] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Did you remove your old kernels?
[23:16] <jar> Anyone else have an issue on netboox remix where gnome-terminal always opens in / rather than ~ ?
[23:16] <seb_1024> hi, just upgading and I have lots of dbus_move_error() errors
[23:17] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: why don't you remove those packages you don't need?
[23:17] <DevelopmentStage> I dont need avahi, I dont need braile, I dont need cups, I dont need bluetooth, I dont need laptop-mode, I dont need pcmiautils
[23:17] <DevelopmentStage> and others,.,.this is a partial list
[23:17] <e3co> GoodJob on the OS. This is the first Ubuntu I have not had update problems with
[23:17] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Those kernel entries are supposed to be there as a fall back in case there are problems with the karmic kernel after upgrade, you can remove them
[23:17] <mercutio22> mzz: I don't see any version number at the bottom of the screen ={
[23:17] <rockrat> hello
[23:17] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: the laptop stuff I'd just purge if this isn't a laptop (the system I on is, so I'm not going to check if that's doable)
[23:17] <mzz> drat
[23:18] <mzz> can someone tell me off the top of their head how you tell the grub legacy and grub 2 menu apart? :)
[23:18] <wgrant> Isn't the version string up the top somewherE?
[23:18] <e3co> grub-version
[23:18] <mmcji> this is the first version of ubuntu I have not been able to get widescreen resolution working on larger LCD screens.  odd thou that 1280x800 works just fine on the laptop it's self.  Any suggestion on getting 1440x900 to work on larger LCD monitor?
[23:18] <wgrant> I don't remember; I don't see GRUB any more.
[23:18] <mzz> mercutio22: ah, what wgrant said?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> mzz: One is menu.lst the other is grub.cfg
[23:18] <mzz> Jordan_U: I know, but how do you tell which one you're actually getting at boot time?
[23:18] <rockrat> i am experiencing occasional lockouts, specially while using firefox. is it ok or do i need to fix something ?
[23:18] <JanC> mzz: the editor in grub2 is a lot more fancy for example  ;)
[23:18] <mercutio22> wgrant: I don't see it
[23:18] <mzz> Jordan_U: I guess we could compare menu.lst and grub.cfg to what's actually in the menu but that seems a bit error-prone
[23:19] <e3co> wgrant:  sounds like you don't have wait time set to a time
[23:19] <Jordan_U> mzz: GRUB2 shows it's version at the top if you show the menu
[23:19] <mzz> ah, great, thanks
[23:19] <e3co> 1.98 right?
[23:19] <mzz> mercutio22: so it's at the top, not the bottom
[23:19] <wild_oscar> hey! are there any known issues with portmap, nfs-kernel server at startup?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> e3co: 1.97 beta4 ( final won't make it to karmic before release )
[23:19] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: how to show the menu
[23:19] <mercutio22> ?
[23:19] <JanC> mzz: oh, and grub2 uses left shift to get into the menu, while grub1 used Esc
[23:19] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Hold shift at boot
[23:19] <e3co> Jordan_U:  oh
[23:19] <mmcji> i have not had any issues with nfs on 9.10
[23:19] <dupondje> wodim: Input/output error. read error on input file
[23:19] <wild_oscar> if I install nfs-kernel-server, neither postfix nor nfs-kernel-server start on startup
[23:20] <dupondje> ROFL :( input file on blank cdrw ? :x
[23:20] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: thanks, lets see
[23:20] <wild_oscar> mmcji: do you have the kernel-server ?
[23:20] <wild_oscar> ie, nfsd
[23:20] <mmcji> yes
[23:20] <mzz> dupondje: so what was the actual wodim command giving you that
[23:20] <wild_oscar> ffs...I don't know what could be happening
[23:20] <mzz> dupondje: also: did you manually eject and re-insert the disc (this is frequently necessary after blanking)
[23:20] <mmcji> did you define your exports ?
[23:20] <wild_oscar> if I install nfs-kernel-server it happens, if I uninstall everything works
[23:21] <wild_oscar> mmcji: it doesn't start when exports is blank, right
[23:21] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ wodim blank=fast /dev/cdr
[23:21] <mmcji> i do not know really, i just configured it and then did exportfs -a
[23:21] <mmcji> after restarting the nfs-kernel
[23:22] <mmcji> no issues for me after that
[23:22] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: How do I purge "laptop-mode?"  There is no such package in aptitude..
[23:22] <mzz> dupondje: iirc that's not the right syntax, try either just "wodim blank=fast" or "wodim blank=fast dev=/dev/cdr"
[23:22] <mercutio22> mzz, Jordan_U I see grub loading stage 1.5 very quick, but no version either on top or bottom of the screen whether or not I press shift...
[23:22] <DevelopmentStage> What is the name of the package that provides "laptop-mode"
[23:22] <mmcji> on the client side, you just need nfs-common and portmap
[23:22] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: dpkg -S $(which laptop-mode) knows
[23:22] <wild_oscar> the biggest issue is that it is preventing postfix from starting
[23:22] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: or dpkg -S /etc/init.d/laptop-mode depending on what you mean
[23:22] <mzz> mercutio22: ok, that's grub 1
[23:22] <mmcji> I am not running postfix, so you have an element I am not working with.
[23:23] <DevelopmentStage> thanks mzz that worked
[23:23] <mzz> mercutio22: you upgraded from jaunty to karmic, right? I'm assuming you're ok with upgrading to grub 2
[23:23] <mercutio22> mzz: yes, I am
[23:23] <mercutio22> mzz: any clues?
[23:23] <mzz> oh, ugh
[23:23] <rockrat> where can i find recent system messages ?
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: looks like grub (legacy) installs /sbin/grub-install while grub-pc (grub 2) installs /usr/sbin/grub-install
[23:24] <mercutio22> mzz: so i just run the script on the later path?
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: the latter normally comes first on $PATH though. Can you check if you still have grub 1 installed and purge it if it is?
[23:24] <mercutio22> mzz: sur
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: (and I'm assuming you have something bootable to recover, I'm not being careful to avoid making the system unbootable)
[23:25] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah, I have some cds here
[23:25] <mzz> rockrat: various files in /var/log, or "dmesg|tail" if you meant just kernel messages
[23:26] <rockrat> mzz: thanks
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: ok.. I am purging it
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: and chose grub2 for installation
[23:27] <mzz> mercutio22: then run grub-install some more
[23:27] <mzz> I'm assuming you have grub-pc installed
[23:27] <rockrat> mzz: repeating msg >> [ 8556.883756] sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah.. I just installed it now
[23:27] <Bookman> Since upgrading to 9.10, Evolution can no longer send email via smtp.  It just times out trying to connect.  I'm not sure what went wrong or how to check.
[23:27] <rockrat> mzz: i am not using disc
[23:28] <mzz> mercutio22: hmm, weird. I wonder if you somehow ended up with grub-common but not grub-pc or something.
[23:28] <mzz> no, that can't be it
[23:29] <wild_oscar> mmcji: could you try to install postfix to see if the issue happens?
[23:30] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah! it worked! =]
[23:30] <mzz> still odd
[23:30] <mercutio22> mzz: I get Grub2 now
[23:31] <mercutio22> mzz: and karmic kernel options
[23:31] <mzz> mercutio22: I should've spent more time figuring out what broken state you'd gotten into instead of just getting you out of it
[23:31] <cowbud> Bookman: is the server you are connecting to local or remote? and have you tried just connecting to the port with telnet?
[23:31] <nemo> about once a day
[23:31] <nemo> on launching vlc
[23:32] <mercutio22> mzz: how can I help? maybe I can revert changes?
[23:32] <nemo> it stutters every second or two while playing in an irritating fashion unless I shut it down, do a killall pulseaudio, then restart it :(
[23:32] <nemo> sooo annoying
[23:33] <mzz> mercutio22: don't bother
[23:33] <mzz> (I doubt it'd put you back in the same state)
[23:33] <mzz> nemo: I have totem deadlocking on me occasionally. Just started actually gathering data on that one.
[23:33] <nemo> hm. haven't used totem lately.
[23:33] <mzz> (it usually does it on loading a new movie, and the ui thread deadlocks)
[23:33] <nemo> but it did do that plenty before
[23:34] <mzz> I stored a bunch of stacks before I killed it the last time I hit this, so I can compare stacks if it happens again
[23:34] <nemo> oh. I was getting the crashes on trying to hit close, searching launchpad revealed an open bug and a ton of stacks
[23:34] <nemo> don't think I've run into yours before
[23:35] <mzz> if it gets into this state I have to "force quit" it (the ui thread deadlocks)
[23:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, the hdd test still hasn't said that it finished and it's 10mins after estimated finish time!
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice "reading database" when updating has become really slow?
[23:37] <nemo> mzz: I expect odd pa stuff may be biggest source of issues in 9.10
[23:37] <nemo> at least judging from my friends and I
[23:38] <jar> I'm absolutely no stranger to editing /etc/fstab .. but is there SERIOUSLY not a front-end to this yet?
[23:38] <jar> Really?
[23:38] <jar> Heh.
[23:38] <rockrat> mzz: /var/log/messages is being flooded by message >> Oct 26 05:34:39 xXx pulseaudio[1733]: alsa-source.c: Resume failed, couldn't restore original fragment settings. (Old: 65536/65536, New 1073676288/65532)
[23:38] <nemo> jar: whatcha doin'?
[23:38] <rockrat> mzz: cpu is at 100%
[23:38] <mzz> jar: there was one, iirc
[23:38] <jar> nemo, Not much.
[23:38] <nemo> (that doesn't have a frontend) :-p
[23:38] <mzz> ubuntuLover: smartctl -a has a progress percentage in it somewhere
[23:38] <DanaG> !find dns_sd.h
[23:38] <jar> mzz, Was does no good now.
[23:38] <jar> ;)
[23:39] <mzz> rockrat: weird. What's spending cpu?
[23:39] <mzz> jar: sec, searching
[23:39] <mzz> !info pysdm
[23:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, won't that jeopordize the test done so far?
[23:39] <mzz> jar: ^^^
[23:39] <rockrat> mzz: firefox
[23:39] <jar> mzz, It's not the fact I need one. I'm just seriously LOL'ing that there's not an Ubuntu supported and shipped app for it.
[23:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover: not normally, no
[23:39] <yacc> So where does one post tracebacks?
[23:40] <jar> also, mzz. That script looks terribly hacky and has NO place in a distro release.
[23:40] <mzz> jar: slightly puzzled me too, but if you're mostly gui-bound you can just mount through the "places" menu, and if you're not you can edit /etc/fstab
[23:40] <mercutio22>  something wlse worries me. I got a pop-up saying my disk is dieing =P
[23:40] <rockrat> mzz: firefox >> waiting channel: futex_wait_queue_me
[23:40] <mzz> jar: that bad? I used it once but I didn't read it first
[23:40] <jar> mzz, that's a terrible solution for people with data drives.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> jar: Why?
[23:40] <wgrant> jar: Which is a very small subset of users.
[23:40] <jar> wgrant, Wrong..
[23:41] <mzz> jar: if you're mostly gui-based it looks like gnome is smart enough to mount the drive if you need it
[23:41] <mzz> jar: (at least it's doing that with my bookmarked network drive)
[23:41] <jar> mzz, yeah but if you have a data hard drive with all your music on it and you open rhythmbox.. you're S.O.L
[23:41] <mzz> jar: rhythmbox is exactly what seems to be mounting the network drive for me here
[23:41] <yacc_> So where does one post tracebacks?
[23:42] <yacc_> No idea what exactly causes them.
[23:42] <mzz> rockrat: not sure how you managed that one, sorry
[23:42] <mzz> yacc_: what kind of tracebacks?
[23:42] <jar> mzz, I think it's seriously just funny that something as basic as making sure the system mounts something at boot isn't configurable without sudo vim /etc/fstab
[23:42] <Jordan_U> jar: Why? You can set a drive to auto mount from nautilus
[23:42] <rockrat> mzz: ok thanks, nvm
[23:42] <jar> Jordan_U, That's not really GNOME's job.
[23:42] <yacc> mzz, kernel oops.
[23:43] <mzz> yacc: "ubuntu-bug linux" iirc
[23:43] <rockrat> bb
[23:43] <jar> JonathanD, /etc/fstab exists for a reason and should be configurable without sudo vim/nano/emacs /etc/fstab
[23:43] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yep, it's finixed with no errors
[23:43]  * jar shakes his head
[23:43] <ubuntuLover> *finished
[23:43] <mzz> jar: must admit I was slightly puzzled by it myself, but arguably it makes sense because if you have multiple *internal* partitions you probably know about fstab and if you have multiple *external* ones you probably shouldn't automount them
[23:44] <DanaG> Error: The stylesheet https://my.calpoly.edu/cas/login was not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css".
[23:44] <DanaG> Source File: https://my.calpoly.edu/cas/login?service=https%3A%2F%2Fblackboard.calpoly.edu%2Fwebapps%2Flogin%3Fnew_loc%3D%252Fwebapps%252Fportal%252Fframeset.jsp%253FuseCas%253D1%2526tab%253Dcourses%2526url%253D%252Fbin%252Fcommon%252Fcourse.pl%253Fcourse_id%253D_33314_
[23:44] <DanaG> Line: 0
[23:44] <yacc> mzz: hope that works without X11 ;)
[23:44] <mzz> jar: there aren't *that* many cases where you actually need an editor like this (the most obvious one is adding a second internal hd when ubuntu is already installed on the primary)
[23:44] <DanaG> er
[23:44] <DanaG> sorry, wrong tab.
[23:44] <jar> mzz, that's still a poor excuse.
[23:44] <mzz> jar: I'm not saying there aren't cases where they're useful, but I think you're overestimating how necessary mount at boot is if you mainly (only) use gui apps
[23:44] <jar> assuming that just because someone has two hard drives they should know how to edit fstab is insane
[23:44] <maco> and if you have physical access to change hard drives but not root access... O_o
[23:45] <mzz> ubuntuLover: then I seriously doubt any kind of formatting will help
[23:45] <bjsnider> DanaG, what are you trying to use to load that  page?
[23:45] <jar> mzz, It could easily be added to Disk Utility anyways..
[23:45] <mzz> jar: if they have two disks at ubuntu install time the installer deals with it correctly
[23:45]  * DanaG can't get his danged eSATA drive to auto-mount at boot.
[23:45] <wgrant> jar: Disk Utility is brand new and unfinished.
[23:45] <DanaG> And when I plug it in, it demands authentication... and has no "remember me, **** you!" function.
[23:45] <ubuntuLover> mzz, back to square 1 then
[23:45] <jar> wgrant, It ships so I can complain if I want to :)
[23:45] <wgrant> Perhaps devicekit-disks will support the functionality that you seek eventually.
[23:46] <mzz> jar: again: I actually agree with you that this is something I expected to be there, but it turns out that as long as I stick to the gui utils mount at boot isn't critical.
[23:46] <MrKeuner> mzz, now I think it could really be hardware problem. When I click strongly it works :( Sorry for bothering...
[23:46] <DanaG> And then it gives "Authentication Denied" for the other of the two partitions.
[23:46] <jar> wgrant, Why should we be relying on devicekit when fstab exists for this very reason?
[23:46] <maco> jar: more constructively, you could fix it
[23:46] <maco> dont whine unless youve at least filed a bug
[23:46] <DanaG> Yeah, instead of queueing the requests... it makes one, and the other errors out!
[23:46] <jar> maco, Canonical can hire me if they want me to take time out of my life for products they get paid for.
[23:46] <jar> Also, RedHat.
[23:47] <jar> Since they actually code it.
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: /etc/network/interfaces exists for static configuration, but Network Manager is the preferred way for desktop users to configure networks.
[23:47] <DanaG> What happened to the PolicyKit "Remember Authentication" feature!
[23:47] <DanaG> s/!/?/
[23:47] <maco> jar: ah another one of those "all you volunteers are suckers" people? well see if we wanna fix your stuff....
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: I imagine the same may happen for disk mounting; it's simply much more convenient and better for users.
[23:47] <mzz> DanaG: yeah, I've been wondering about that. Might be mia for polkit 1 (as opposed to 0.9)
[23:47] <jar> wgrant, And we all have seen how reliable Network Manager is.. hint, WiCD exists for a reason..
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: I haven't had problems with NM in more than 18 months.
[23:47] <wgrant> And I don't think WiCD exists for a reason any more.
[23:47] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Remembering permission and remembering an eSATA password are slightly different
[23:47] <wgrant> If you have problems, file a damn bug.
[23:47] <maco> jar: wicd was created back when drivers werent all standardizing on the one interface NM uses. now they all do, and it works dandy
[23:48] <jar> I haven't had issues with NM in more than.. 8 days.
[23:48] <maco> maybe your hardware's fubar?
[23:48] <DanaG> All my NM issues have mostly turned out to be IWLAGN sucking.
[23:48] <jar> Haha.
[23:48] <mzz> only problem I've had with NM was with a gsm modem usb thing, and that mostly went away in karmic's NM
[23:48] <wgrant> jar: If you didn't file a bug, you didn't have a problem.
[23:48] <DanaG> Yeah, the new policykit lacks the "remember me" thing.
[23:48] <jar> wgrant, Known bugs. I don't need to throw in a "me too"
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice "reading database" when updating has become really slow?
[23:48] <DanaG> And the gnome policykit thingy doesn't even SHOW any devkit stuff!
[23:48] <mzz> oh, the other problem I've had with it is cnetworkmanager isn't in ubuntu
[23:48] <maco> jar: you could throw in a patch
[23:48] <mzz> Ian_Corne: that's purely io-bound here
[23:49] <DanaG> In fact, all I see in Authorizations is this:
[23:49] <jar> maco, I'm not a Canonical employee. I'm good.
[23:49] <mzz> Ian_Corne: if it suddenly got slower I'd attempt to check other io-bound things
[23:49] <DanaG> policykit: revoke, read, modify, grant.
[23:49] <maco> jar: neither am i. doesn't prevent me from submitting patches.
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> nah it's been like this for a while
[23:49] <DanaG> hal: device access: directly access colors.
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> for a friend of mine too
[23:49] <maco> jar: foss existed 20 years before canonical did.
[23:49] <DanaG> Surely there should be more than just 5 total authorizable things listed!
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> and on diffrent devices
[23:49] <maco> jar: just because it exists now does not mean everyone should expect payment to fix what bothers them
[23:49] <jar> maco, Indeed.. I'm well aware of RMS and the FSF
[23:50] <mzz> DanaG: most likely the list you're getting is only for polkit 0.9 stuff, which is hardly anything.
[23:50] <jar> And their extreme objection to Ubuntu
[23:50] <maco> jar: but it seems youve never heard of scratching your own itch, only of whining like a baby
[23:50] <jar> So maybe invoking them isn't the best idea?
[23:50] <jar> :)
[23:50] <DanaG> Hmm, where's a panel for polkit 1?
[23:50] <wgrant> jar: Nobody invoked RMS and the FSF.
[23:50] <mzz> well, *you* did
[23:50] <wgrant> jar: FOSS isn't just them...
[23:50]  * mzz just drops this conversation.
[23:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/432281
[23:50] <jar> wgrant, You're ignorant to say that F/OSS over 10 years ago wasn't exclusively the FSF and Richard Stallman.
[23:51] <jar> But hey.
[23:51] <jar> Have fun.
[23:51] <jar> My question has been answered and you have a good'n.
[23:51] <jar> ;)
[23:51] <maco> jar: the vast majority of ubuntu developers are volunteers. it is unfair for you to say "hey, volunteers, WORK HARDER!" but refuse to do anything yourself, even something which would *benefit* you. it shows a complete lack of appreciation and an attitude that developers probably don't want to reward by helping you.
[23:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/445315
[23:52] <jar> maco, Have a great day ;)
[23:52] <DanaG> " I believe this is unfortunately "Won't Fix", the new policykit doesn't have the concept of remembering the authorizations."
[23:52] <DanaG> Nice job breaking things, Upstream!
[23:52] <ubuntuLover> night everyone
[23:52]  * DanaG slaps Upstream with an eSATA cable.
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> hehe DanaG
[23:53] <bjsnider> DanaG, is the esata mount policy different from usb drives?
[23:53] <DanaG> Yeah, it's considered internal.
[23:54] <bjsnider> that's the problem
[23:54] <DanaG> Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't removed "remember authorization".
[23:54] <mesula> I want Ubuntu to get better, not get worse.
[23:54] <DanaG> Or if at the very least, it didn't ERROR OUT on one while waiting for the other!
[23:54] <mzz> "considered internal" would be fixable through a .fdi file in a hal-based world
[23:55] <mzz> I haven't had to look up what the devicekit-disks equiv is
[23:55] <DanaG> That is, if you make two requests at once, it prompts for one and refuses the other!
[23:55] <DanaG> What it should do: QUEUE THEM!
[23:55] <DanaG> Grrr!
[23:55] <bjsnider> DanaG, but if it behaved like a usb hdd it would be fine with you, right?
[23:55] <DanaG> Yeah.
[23:55] <mzz> oh, speaking of queueing
[23:55] <mzz> I should probably file a bug on what happens if you hit the acpi power button while the screen is locked
[23:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768
[23:56] <jessture1> can anyone tell me where to look to fix the volume on-screen-display when im watching youtube or other flash video on fullscreen?
[23:56] <wgrant> What happens if you hit the acpi power button while the screen is locked?
[23:57] <mzz> wgrant: well, if I hit that button while I'm in gnome I get a "shut down the computer" dialog, with a 60 seconds timeout until it shuts down automatically.
[23:57] <wgrant> mzz: Ah. Convenient.
[23:57] <bjsnider> DanaG, i just think we should be trying to remove all of the password prompts that aren't necessary
[23:57] <mzz> wgrant: if I hit the power button while the screen is locked (including after a resume from hibernate) I get that same dialog, but it's invisible (behind the black locked screen screen) and counting down.
[23:57] <DanaG> Removal of "remember me" is annoying.
[23:58] <mzz> wgrant: I'm not sure what should happen, but an invisibly counting down dialog is probably not it
[23:58] <wgrant> mzz: Probably not, no.
[23:58] <mzz> (if it's going to invisibly count down at least have it hibernate, not poweroff)
[23:59]  * mzz wonders what app displays that thing anyway. gnome-session?
[23:59] <wgrant> Probably.
[23:59] <wgrant> I don't think it would be indicator-session
[23:59] <wgrant> But you never know what crazy stuff DX has decided to do today...