[03:13] <hggdh> anyone knows of problems when booting with udev in debug mode?
[03:16] <dtchen> I haven't encountered any yet; what's the issue?
[03:16] <hggdh> my X started without mice or keyboard
[03:18] <hggdh> I would get a mouse by unplugging (USB) and replugging, but I cannot do the same with the keyboard, its a laptop
[03:18] <dtchen> interesting. What does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[03:20] <hggdh> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/301001/
[03:23] <hggdh> the moment I rebooted with udev_log="error" set in udev.conf X was OK
[05:16] <alex_mayorga> I think I'm suffering of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/290704 can anyone help me confirm or file a proper karmic bug if needed?
[05:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 290704 in fglrx-installer "[fglrx]Computer freeze when switching user" [High,Confirmed]
[05:25] <micahg> if you can't add anything, then you can just subscribe
[05:25] <micahg> and mark as affecting you
[11:11] <slacker_nl> someone running hardy with iwl3945?
[13:13] <switchgirl> sd cards refuse to auto mount without a reboot in karmic 9.10
[13:14] <switchgirl> more of an issue with sd hc
[13:36] <rafferty> hi all, I have no speaker sound with Ubuntu Jaunty (or Karmic) using a Lenovo x200.... any suggestions?
[13:42] <micahg> rafferty: check in #ubuntu for Jaunty or #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[14:58] <greg-g> jcastro or bdmurray: can one of you extendmy bug-control membership? It is set to expire on Halloween. Thanks!
[15:01] <bdmurray> only for a treat ;-)
[15:02] <greg-g> bdmurray: whats your favorite? caramel apple? snickers? An excuse to go out west would be nice :)
[15:04] <bdmurray> I'm partial to laffy taffy
[15:05] <greg-g> duly noted
[16:16] <wild_oscar> hey, is something wrong with the services management in karmic? I was having a problem with nfs-kernel-server not starting at boot, and now I am seeing that postfix doesn't start either
[16:17] <wild_oscar> I've posted about the nfs-kernel-server bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/455045
[16:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 455045 in nfs-utils "nfs-kernel-server doesn't start automatically at startup" [Undecided,New]
[16:17] <wild_oscar> but there doesn't seem to be much interest about it...
[16:22] <hggdh> wild_oscar: we are near release, everybody is busy. Unless it is a kitten-killer, you will not get attention right now
[16:26] <wild_oscar> hggdh: hmm...having services like postfix or nfs starting at boot seems pretty important on a linux distro, though
[16:27] <hggdh> I agree. On the other hand, I do not have this issue...
[16:28] <wild_oscar> hggdh: alright...
[16:30] <wild_oscar> hggdh: just for me to try to fix it on my own, could you tell me where, aside from syslog, I could find any error logs about services not starting
[16:31] <wild_oscar> postfix, nfs-kernel and portmap (because it is because of portmap not starting that nfs doesn't start)
[16:34] <hggdh> so may be the issue is with portmap
[18:32] <mbt> Hi, I have found a critical bug in 9.10 Server release candidate.  I have no known fix, and I need it to be seen by people.  It is bug 460153. Any ideas on how to get that looked at ASAP?
[18:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 460153 in mountall "mountall on karmic server install fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460153
[19:03] <Armageddon> ok, I need a little help to file a bug report please
[19:03] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: shoot
[19:04] <Armageddon> 2 problems since Jaunty, laptop does not shutdown restarts on -h, I have to do -H and shutdown manually or it will restart, and bluetooth does not work even though it is recognized by the kernel as I can see in dmesg
[19:05] <BUGabundo> Armageddon:  have you looked on launchpad?
[19:05] <Armageddon> yea a long time ago
[19:05] <Armageddon> they had this application that was stopped for Phoenix BIOS
[20:14] <Bodsda> Hi
[20:28] <nightwish> hmm nice, after upgrade to karmic, my crypted /home causes bootup trouble. i'm asked for passphrase, but before i have the chance to enter it completely and hit return, mountall throws a bunch of error messages and i get a sulogin prompt. didn't find similar reports in launchpad yet, but i remember there was some crypto-related bug mentioned in the rc announcement. not sure wether this is related
[22:02] <lfaraone> If a problem in libFoo affects package bar and baz, should bar and baz be marked using "also affects" on that bug?
[22:03] <greg-g> lfaraone: no, if updating libFoo is all that is needed to fix the issues in bar and baz
[22:03] <lfaraone> greg-g: okay, thought so.
[22:03] <greg-g> if, however, there needs to be additional changes to bar and baz, then... yeah, you get it
[22:13] <VXxed> Hi!  I have a problem.
[22:13] <VXxed> I don't know/think my acpi stuff is loading correctly, or at all.
[22:15] <VXxed> The only indication of this that I have is that my fans on my laptop do not spin, there is nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone and /proc/acpi/fanspeed/, and that after setting up lm-sensor successfully (I think), running sensor gives me nothing at all, other than mainboard temp and cpu temp being 0C
[22:15] <VXxed> I'm running this on 9.10, and using Phoenix BIOS version 1.05
[22:42] <VXxed> Is anyone active/available?
[22:42] <micahg> VXxed: sure
[22:43] <VXxed> Awesome.
[22:43] <VXxed> So
[22:43] <VXxed> I don't know if my acpi stuff is loading properly, if at all.
[22:43] <VXxed> The fans on my laptop are not spinning
[22:43] <micahg> which version of Ubunut?
[22:44] <VXxed> I'm now running 9.10 on a Fujitsu T4020D with Phoenix BIOS version 1.05
[22:44] <VXxed> After trying to set up lm-sensor, and running sensor, all I got was "cpu" and "mainboard" temp, both listed at 0C
[22:45] <micahg> ok, I suggest checking in #ubuntu+1 for support, they can probably get you going...if you end up finding a bug, come back and we can help you file it
[22:45] <VXxed> Erm, this was also a point on 9.04, which is why I even ended up on 9.10
[22:46] <VXxed> All I knew at that point was though that the fans weren't spinning, and 9.10 fixed that for somebody else
[22:47] <micahg> yeah, I don't know much about that, see if it's a known issue in #ubuntu+1 and if they have a fix
[22:47] <VXxed> Alright, thanks
[22:47] <micahg> I can help you file a bug if they either don't know or say it's an unknown bug
[22:49] <VXxed> Alright, thanks.  I've been trying to fix this issue all day now
[22:50] <VXxed> I started off in ubuntu+1 but nobody would respond so I went from "my fan isn't working" to "I'm pretty sure my acpi isn't loading right, I heard phoenix bios and linux don't cooperate too well"
[22:50] <micahg> ok
[22:50] <micahg> well, sunday is usually a slow day as most of the people are off
[22:51] <VXxed> Ah, fair enough.
[22:52] <VXxed> By the way
[22:52] <VXxed> I've heard talk about forcing acpi to load in the kernel..something.
[22:52] <VXxed> Do you know anything about that?
[22:53] <micahg> no, sorry, I usually triage Firefox
[22:53] <micahg> you can check in #ubuntu-kernel and see if anyone
[22:53] <micahg> 's around
[22:53] <VXxed> Alright
[22:53] <micahg> I wish I could help more
[22:55] <VXxed> Eh, don't worry about it.  At the very least, you've responded
[22:55] <VXxed> More than what I've gotten for most of today :P
[22:56] <micahg> that much I can do :)
[23:25] <hggdh_> VXxed: look at the kernel boot parameters - /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.31/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
[23:26] <VXxed> About to do it now
[23:26] <VXxed> In process of bootup
[23:27] <hggdh_> there are some options dealing with ACPI there. Also, some ACPI implementations a quite hosed... but I do not deal with ACPI anymore, been out for the last 3 years
[23:28] <VXxed> I don't see kernel-parameters in documentation
[23:29] <hggdh> in the source tree?
[23:29] <VXxed> Yeah
[23:29] <VXxed> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-14/Documentation
[23:29] <VXxed> Only file is Makefile
[23:29] <hggdh> not headers
[23:29] <hggdh> *source*
[23:30] <VXxed> There isn't one..
[23:30] <VXxed> Just linux-headers-2.6.31-14 and the same -generic
[23:30] <hggdh> apt-get install linux-source && tar -xjf /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.31.tar.bz2
[23:30] <hggdh> then you will have it
[23:31] <VXxed> Is there a space on either side of the &&?
[23:32] <ehasenle> space does not matter
[23:32] <VXxed> Alright
[23:32] <VXxed> Any reason why I didn't already have this?
[23:32] <wild_oscar> hggdh: around? can you confirm to me you have postfix, portmap and nfs-kernel-server running?
[23:33] <ehasenle> linux-source is not installed by default AFAIK
[23:33] <wild_oscar> I've added a test case to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/455045
[23:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 455045 in nfs-utils "nfs-kernel-server doesn't start automatically at startup" [Undecided,New]
[23:33] <hggdh> wild_oscar: I am here, will check
[23:33] <hggdh> VXxed: you have to install linux-source
[23:33] <wild_oscar> so someone can see if the issue is caused by having all these at once
[23:33] <wild_oscar> (comment 4)
[23:34] <hggdh> wild_oscar: I do not have nfs-kernel-server. I do not use NFS at all.
[23:34] <wild_oscar> I've just tested it. postfix runs alright. if I install nfs-kernel-server, none of the 3 services will start at reboot. they will start if I start them manually (only constraint is that portmap starts before nfs-kernel-server)
[23:34] <VXxed> I now have the .tar.bz2 in /usr/src/
[23:35] <wild_oscar> if I remove nfs-kernel-server and reboot, postfix starts at boot without a problem
[23:35] <hggdh> VXxed: cd /usr/src && tar -xjf linux-source-*.tar.bz2
[23:35] <wild_oscar> hggdh: can you quickly try the test case?
[23:35] <hggdh> let me look at iut
[23:36] <VXxed> Un-tar-ing it now
[23:36] <ehasenle> wild_oscar: is nfs available in the process listing? (ps ax|grep nfs)
[23:37] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: when?
[23:37] <ehasenle> upon reboot, before doing nfs restart
[23:37] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: let me check
[23:38] <wild_oscar> (rebooting)
[23:39] <VXxed> I'm now looking at kernel parameters
[23:39] <ehasenle> I have it installed karmic as a KVM image and nfsd appears to run from the beginning
[23:40] <VXxed> What would you like to know?
[23:40] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: I have a couple of processes, yes - http://pastebin.com/d3b36a9c5
[23:40] <wild_oscar> why do I have a " /bin/sh /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-kernel-server start" process?
[23:41] <ehasenle> yep, seems to hang
[23:41] <wild_oscar> does this mean the start process is stuck?
[23:41] <ehasenle> at least the nfs part
[23:41] <ehasenle> appears to
[23:41] <wild_oscar> and how is this related to postfix not starting?
[23:42] <ehasenle> maybe postfix has a dependency on nfs
[23:42] <ehasenle> so it is only started after nfs starting is finished?
[23:43] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: postfix? no, it doesn't start at all. only when I manually "service postfix start"
[23:43] <wild_oscar> after booting
[23:43] <ehasenle> does nfs start?
[23:44] <wild_oscar> nfs? as in, nfs-client?
[23:44] <wild_oscar> I don't have the client
[23:44] <ehasenle> no, the server
[23:44] <ehasenle> turbo
[23:44] <wild_oscar> isn't that nfs-kernel-server?
[23:44] <ehasenle> sorry, wrong window
[23:44] <VXxed> hggdh: Alright, I'm looking at kernel-parameters.txt.  What would you like to know?
[23:45] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: isn't nfs-kernel-server the nfs server?
[23:45] <ehasenle> yep nfs-kernel-server still does not run, right?
[23:45] <wild_oscar> no...
[23:46] <wild_oscar> as said in the bug report, it does not start. it only start if I manually "service portmap start" and afterwards "service nfs-kernel-server start"
[23:46] <wild_oscar> it starts *then*...
[23:47] <wild_oscar> I don't know if nfs-kernel-server depends on portmap
[23:48] <wild_oscar> ie, it seems to, as "# Required-Start:    $remote_fs nfs-common $portmap $time" is in the init.d script
[23:48] <wild_oscar> if so, shouldn't nfs-kernel-server have a different priority?
[23:48] <ehasenle> ah, i kicked into the discussion because I have read the bug report this morning
[23:49] <ehasenle> but cannot reproduce it on my virtual machine
[23:49] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: did you do the steps in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/455045/comments/4 ?
[23:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 455045 in nfs-utils "nfs-kernel-server doesn't start automatically at startup" [Undecided,New]
[23:50] <ehasenle> I have already nfs-kernel-server installed, do you thing it is sufficient to deinstall first?
[23:50] <hggdh> wild_oscar: yes, portmap should start before nfs-kernel-server
[23:51] <wild_oscar> oh, hang on...right now I'm looking at sysv-rc-conf and portmap doesn't seem to be configured to start
[23:51] <wild_oscar> just to confirm, is it " update-rc.d portmap defaults" ?
[23:51] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: if you can try it...
[23:52] <wild_oscar> then do an apt-get autoremove
[23:52] <wild_oscar> which should autoremove portmap
[23:52] <VXxed> hggdh?
[23:52] <hggdh> yes?
[23:52] <VXxed> I am now looking at that text file
[23:52] <wild_oscar> (why on earth isn't portmap configured to start at boot when you install nfs-kernel-server??)
[23:52] <VXxed> What would you like me to do now?
[23:53] <ehasenle> for me it starts successfully
[23:53] <hggdh> VXxed: look at the ACPI options, and start trying them to see if your boot gets better
[23:53] <ehasenle> i mean portmap
[23:53] <VXxed> Ah.  How do I insert them into wherever?
[23:54] <hggdh> when you start/reboot your machine you should get either the GRUB or GRUB2 boot screen
[23:54] <VXxed> Mine seems to shoot right past that
[23:54] <VXxed> Unless I hit something
[23:54] <hggdh> then hit something ;-)
[23:54] <VXxed> Yar, and it'll be obvious from there?
[23:55] <hggdh> you have to edit the boot command line, and add the options you are going to try
[23:55] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: could you please confirm which checkboxes are checked when you run sysv-rc-conf for the line portmap, please?
[23:55] <VXxed> Another command I don't know...
[23:56] <hggdh> ?
[23:56] <ehasenle> i need a moment (rebooting)
[23:56] <VXxed> Also.  I searched for "fan" and the only thing that seems relevant was i8k.restricted, which was "Allow controlling fans only if SYS_ADMIN capability is set."  Should I try the i8k.force command to activate the i8k driver regardless of signature match?
[23:57] <hggdh> VXxed: I have no idea of what i8k is. If it is hardware, no, it is really not a good idea to overload different hardware
[23:58] <VXxed> Alright.
[23:58] <ehasenle> wild_oscar: there are no "X" for portmap
[23:58] <VXxed> How do I edit the boot command line from there?
[23:58] <ehasenle> but it is started correctly upon reboot
[23:59] <wild_oscar> ehasenle: even not in the "s" column?
[23:59] <hggdh> VXxed: click on 'e', then use arrows to position yourself, and type/delete/backspace as needed. Then... varies, if you are running grub or grub2
[23:59] <VXxed> Do you know what acpi_apic_instance= is?
[23:59] <VXxed> Rather, what's the apic table
[23:59] <ehasenle> no, not even there
[23:59] <ehasenle> (its a capital S)