[00:00] <erUSUL> hi
[00:00] <erUSUL> does someone see the ubottu edit request?
[00:00] <niko> yes
[00:00] <erUSUL> good ;)
[00:00] <erUSUL> !hostname
[00:01] <erUSUL> :| not so good the GUI tool is no longer there since switch to NM
[01:46] <bazhang> erUSUL, take out the last bit about 'Alternatively,...' ?
[01:47] <erUSUL> yes
[01:47] <erUSUL> i made the request twice
[01:47] <bazhang> !hostname
[01:47] <bazhang> whoops
[01:48] <bazhang> !hostname
[01:48] <bazhang> better? :)
[01:49] <erUSUL> works for me ;)
[01:50] <bazhang> thanks muchly :)
[01:50] <erUSUL> you are wellcome
[01:52] <erUSUL> good night all
[03:14] <bazhang> heh
[03:15] <maco> bazhang: laughing at my awful attempt at remembering russian?
[03:15] <bazhang> maco, funny that I quit the moment before I was actually needed in #kubuntu
[03:15] <maco> when he mentioned he spoke russian?
[03:16] <bazhang> need a cd. order one. no cd. then order one. bad connection. etc etc
[03:16] <maco> he said he ordered one and it didnt show up
[03:16] <maco> i told him it can take 6wk. he said has been 10
[03:16] <bazhang> funny that I quit the moment before he divulged he spoke Russian
[03:17] <maco> yeah you coulda been much more useful than me!
[03:17] <bazhang> (I'm op in -ru)
[03:17] <maco> i know
[03:17] <maco> about all i can say is "i dont speak much russian" and "i study at <school name>" and "my name is <name>"
[03:17] <bazhang> heh
[03:18] <maco> oh, and "dress" as in the article of clothing
[03:18] <bazhang> he is still silent in -ru
[03:18] <maco> haha
[03:18] <maco> ok...
[03:18] <bazhang> lots of those -ru guys do that though
[03:18] <maco> do what?
[03:18] <bazhang> mild level trolling
[03:19] <maco> i asked if he was using google translate, and he said yes, then asked if i spoke russian, turk, or kurdish
[03:19] <bazhang> heh
[04:27] <Flannel> bazhang: You talk to ^^ in query at all?
[04:27] <bazhang> Flannel, not yet
[04:28] <Flannel> bazhang: Interesting
[04:28] <maco> one a y'all did
[04:28] <bazhang> stalkerish imo
[04:28] <maco> no?
[04:28] <bazhang> in PM now
 i'll leave her alone
[04:33] <maco> yay
[04:33] <maco> thanks
[05:43] <wgrant> Anybody else just been PMed with chanspam by Shtirlic?
[05:49] <Flannel> Not I
[05:49] <wgrant> Hm. Sad.
[08:26] <ikonia> !hostname
[08:27] <ikonia> guys and gals, I'm not comfortable with the above factoid ^^
[08:27] <ikonia> using hostname to set a hostname on the fly is not a good idea, I certainly don't think we should be offering that as a solution, or worse putting it in an approved factoid
[08:28] <elky> could you suggest a revision then?
[08:28] <ikonia> I'd just dump the use of hostname
[08:28] <ikonia> /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts is the only way to properly set a hostname
[08:29] <ikonia> just a comment, not sure if I'm being over protective
[08:31] <ikonia> thoughts ?
[08:33] <jussi01> ikonia: can you think of a factoid that says something like that and maybe links to a wiki page?
[08:33] <ikonia> I can sure strip it down, no problem, just didn't know if I was being over cautious
[08:36] <jussi01> its a badly formatted factoid in the beginning,Id suggest revision even if it wasnt for contents sake.
[08:36] <jussi01> !-hostname
[08:37] <jussi01> bazhang: oh bazhang...
[08:37] <ikonia> I'll ponder
[08:39] <jussi01> ok, good :)
[08:41] <bazhang> Psinetic, how may we help you
[08:41] <Psinetic> hi bazhang
[08:42] <Psinetic> wondering why i get kicked from a channel when an op comes in saying we're "discussing illegal things about breaking into systems" when he doesn't even know what he's talking about
[08:45] <topyli> you did ignore the advice and then turn the discussion into someone's missing tampons. you were not banned, just removed so that you may review your behavior in peace
[08:45] <bazhang> Psinetic, hang on a second
[08:45] <bazhang> rockstarrem, something we could help you with?
[08:45] <topyli> rockstarrem, hi. what can we do for you?
[08:45] <rockstarrem> no no sorry i was just there for the argument, i can leave if you want
[08:45] <bazhang> rockstarrem, better to part thanks
[08:45] <rockstarrem> lol ok
[08:46] <Psinetic> i don't think topyli is right in any sense, based on the topic to begin with. the "advice" was to just drop it w/e, and nothing being stated was illegal or even close to illegal. whether i was being banned or just kicked, it's still an administrative action. i don't think it was justified, and the tampons was referring to nobody coder, the hacker that took out my websites
[08:47] <elky> Psinetic, you were making people uncomfortable and you were asked to stop several times.
[08:47] <elky> !o4o
[08:48] <topyli> right, sorry for the confusion on the tampons. not that i think anyone's tampons are on topic
[08:48] <Psinetic> there is no topic in "offtopic" is there?
[08:48] <Psinetic> that's what i thought
[08:48] <Psinetic> and nothing was being stated about anything illegal
[08:48] <Psinetic> you two were the only one's who thought or felt anything was illegal, and i pointed out it wasn't
[08:49] <Psinetic> and it's not
[08:49] <bazhang> not the point
[08:49] <elky> Psinetic, you were asked to stop.
[08:49] <topyli> Psinetic, we're not here to define the scope of law in your country. we're here to keep the ubuntu channels a pleasant place
[08:49] <Psinetic> what's unpleasant about:
[08:49] <Psinetic> 1: warning other members to keep their stuff upgraded because of this particular hacker
[08:50] <Psinetic> 2: discussing the possible move of servers because of a hacker
[08:50] <Psinetic> 3: discussing what the guy did to my sites and how to prevent it for others (which is what the site i linked stands for)
[08:50] <Psinetic> please tell me how that's unpleasant
[08:50] <elky> 1. discussing how you had "made it a personal war"
[08:51] <elky> 2. how "we'd have to get him to the states or some other country" to exact revenge
[08:51] <Psinetic> revenge never came out of my mouth
[08:51] <Psinetic> and it is a personal war, because of the fac that he's getting away with hacking countless websites and no one is doing anything about it
[08:52] <Psinetic> it's the same passion antivirus and malware removal members have
[08:52] <Psinetic> what's wrong with that?
[08:52] <topyli> Psinetic, i did not find it as educational as you try to make it. as far i could tell you gave no advice and i learned nothing
[08:52] <Psinetic> and getting him to the states or another country is for justice, not revenge
[08:53] <elky> Psinetic, discussing personal wars and discussing relocating people (potentially) against their will makes #ubuntu-offtopic a hostile place to be.
[08:53] <Psinetic> first off, how is an offtopic channel supposed to be on topic about anything? second, if you're an op, and you know about security, you wouldn't learn something you already know
[08:54] <elky> unless you've had cyber stalkers, you have no idea of how hostile that discussion can be.
[08:55] <Psinetic> elky, you obviously didn't read the past about me being a moderator of a hacking website. i had hackers on my tail for almost a year, hence my switch to ubuntu
[08:55] <elky> you seem to also be using the word hacker where you mean cracker.
[08:55] <Psinetic> someone who illegally breaks into my system to do damage
[08:55] <Psinetic> hacker
[08:55] <Psinetic> those guys
[08:56] <elky> someone who cracks in to your system is not the same as someone who hacks code together.
[08:56] <Psinetic> does it matter?
[08:56] <ikonia> surley someone who run a hacking website would know that ?
[08:57] <Psinetic> who said i was a hacker ikonia?
[08:57] <Psinetic> i was a moderator
[08:57] <elky> Psinetic, to people who identify as hackers, a lot. it's not nice to identify as a hacker to have someone reach for their phone to call 911
[08:57] <topyli> Psinetic, your being a forum operator is not relevant here. here's my suggestion. 1. familiarize yourself with the channel rules. observe especially the part about stopping a discussion when someone asks you to. 3. return to -offtopic and have a good time
[08:57] <Psinetic> you don't have to know how to hack to moderate
[08:57] <topyli> as a bonus, 4. learn the proper definition of a "hacker" as used by our community
[08:58] <Psinetic> i think i'm perfectly fine using any definition i want
[08:58] <elky> and we're perfectly fine telling you you're wrong.
[08:59] <Psinetic> whatever you say. you run the channel how you like it. i don't think it was right to kick me from the channel, or for that matter state that the topic at hand was discussing illegal activity. if you disagree with that you can go fuck yourself.
[09:00] <bazhang> okay...
[09:00] <elky> topyli, dude, you totally ruined his cred!
[09:00] <bazhang> heh
[09:01] <ikonia> he's in #ubuntu as masterbob
[09:01] <topyli> now i can't sleep. i have a teenie cracker forum moderator for a lifetime enemy!
[09:01] <topyli> :)
[09:02] <ikonia> if his attitude of "fuck yourself" stands, I don't think it's acceptable to leave him in #ubuntu
[09:02] <topyli> masterbob joined -ot
[09:02] <ikonia> he's basically just told you "fuck your rules and your enforcment ofthem"
[09:02] <elky> judging by IP, it's an aussie too
[09:02] <ikonia> personal opinion - he should be removed after that
[09:02] <elky> he's not going to be able to contain himself long
[09:02] <ikonia> and I'm happy to do it and take the flak for it
[09:03] <elky> nah, let him put the nails in. no need to preempt this one
[09:03] <bazhang> he joined #remote-exploit last night and was banned immediately; came into -ot with logs wanting us to solve it for him
[09:03] <ikonia> elky: fine. Personal opinion someone who comes here and says fuck you all and the rules shouldn't be allowed to participate
[09:04] <elky> ikonia, i agree. i also want to see topyli give him enough rope to make it more than a 30 second ban ;)
[09:04] <ikonia> I'll certainly be following him in #ubuntu
[09:10] <elky> well lookie there, a conscience
[09:15] <jussi01> I think theres a point at where ppeople get angry, say f you all, 10 mins later they calm down and apologise. its human nature to get angry at first and we should have a small amount of leeway for that, as long as there is a change of attitude after.
[09:18] <topyli> aye
[09:34] <ikonia> jussi01: everyeone gets angry, but then they should be removed from the channels until they clam down
[09:34] <ikonia> jussi01: saying fuck you then being allowed to re-join the channels and continue is unacceptable
[09:35] <elky> ikonia, had he said it in one of those channels then it would likely have been a different story. he's chosen to apologise, and we ought to be proportional to that.
[09:35] <ikonia> bazhang: is Psinetic the guy from yesterday in offtopic from the USA navy asking about "hacking tools"
[09:36] <ikonia> elky: yeah the apology is great, no problem with that at all
[09:36] <ikonia> elky: if it's the same guy (bazhang could confirm as I can't be certain) that was in -offtopic yesterday then he's making a habbit of being rude, kicking off with offensive language then coming back and apologising
[09:37] <elky> do we have logs of this?
[09:37] <bazhang> ikonia, aka masterbob, and generally was the same problems last night
[09:37] <ikonia> elky: if it's the same guy - I removed him yesterday, and I was also in #remote-exploit where he showed the same behaviour
[09:38] <bazhang> yep and then came into -ot wanting us to resolve his ban there
[09:38] <ikonia> bazhang: ahhh so it was the same guy who kicked off when I suggested looking for hacking tools wasn't correct in -offtopic and he went off on the rant about being in the navy and security cleared etc etc
[09:38] <ikonia> ahh ok, same guy then
[09:38] <ikonia> I've only just clicked it was the same guy
[09:38] <bazhang> waay offtopic in #ubuntu also
[09:38] <elky> appeals process goes both ways.
[09:38] <ikonia> ?
[09:39] <ikonia> I've got no wish to ban him or appeal his removal, just worth noting for future reference
[09:39] <ikonia> the less people banned the better, so I don't want to go back and invoke one if he's behaviing fine
[09:39] <ikonia> behaving fine even
[09:52] <jussi01> hahaha
[09:52] <jussi01> [06:39:50] <Eddward> It's a shame there aren't business hours posted in the channel info or the web page.
[09:52] <jussi01> business hours...
[10:03] <bazhang> just not in the mood
[10:07] <jussi01> wgrant: hey, havent seen you for a while :) Are you an op in one of the core chans?
[10:07] <wgrant> jussi01: I'm not.
[10:07] <jussi01> wgrant: are you an op anywhere?
[10:07] <bazhang> great helper though!
[10:07] <jussi01> bazhang: Ive met wgrant in person :)
[10:08] <bazhang> nice :)
[10:08] <wgrant> jussi01: Only #u-au. I guess I'd best leave.
[10:08] <jussi01> wgrant: thanks :)
[10:08] <bazhang> aww
[10:08] <wgrant> Sorry.
[10:11] <jussi01> fdoving: if you could identify that would be helpful :)
 Dr_Willis: who redirect me from ##club-ubuntu
[10:20] <elky> ...
[10:21] <bazhang> wonder if that is a ban forward
[10:24] <ikonia> 10:23 -!- 9 - ##club-ubuntu: ban Heaven!*@*!##philosophy [by alexbobp, 395994
[10:30] <jussi01> hah, thats harsh, but certainly not in our area...
[10:31] <ikonia> nope
[10:33] <elky> jussi01, you expected better from such a foul channel?
[10:38] <jussi01> elky: no, just saying it isnt something we should be concerned about, as they have nothing to do with us.
[10:43] <Psinetic> bazhang, topyli, elky, I wanted to drop by and issue a formal apology for my actions earlier. It's obvious by now that I do have a short fuse. I get angry quick, especially when I feel that I've been wronged. Thing is, I'm not afraid to stand up for myself, and I'm not afraid of anyone in any position. It still, however, does not excuse my behavior I've been having on the IRC chats. I'm new to IRC, but that's no excuse I know. I still don't agree
[10:43] <Psinetic>  with topyli's actions earlier, or any of your beliefs that what I was talking about in that conversation was wrong in any way, shape, or form. I can hope that we can agree to disagree, but it's not exactly easy to agree to disagree with policy is it? :P Ikonia, I know you're skeptical about my IT skills or knowledge. I may have been a moderator on a hacking website, and own an ethical hackers website myself, but it doesn't mean I'm a master IT i
[10:43] <Psinetic> n any way, nor does it mean I know any perfect definitions. I was a moderator for the mere fact that I was good at setting people in line when they were wrong regardless of who they were or their position and I knew the law. I might not have been nice about it, but I was right. I apologize to you as well for not giving you the space to learn about who I am and what I do know. That's all, hope you accept my apology.
[10:43] <Psinetic> wow that was alot o.0
[10:45] <topyli> sorry, was on the phone. need to read that :)
[10:46] <Psinetic> :)
[10:48] <elky> Psinetic, apology accepted providing that you acknowledge our rules for what they are, will respect people who ask you to stop, and that you will try to put an end to insulting and swearing when you have outbursts.
[10:48] <topyli> your apology is fine, and i have no issue with you myself. i care about the channel being friendly that's all. as for the channel policy, you are not obliged to agree with it. you are, however, obliged to behave in accordance to it
[10:50] <Psinetic> i understand. Thank you for the acceptance. elky I'll try to not insult or swear when i have an outburst, but I can't promise it, it's honestly a problem i've had for quite some time, doesn't fly over well with my chain of command either :P
[10:50] <elky> Psinetic, i suggest getting a dribble ball or similar for near your desk.
[10:50] <Psinetic> lol i live in a dorm, not much room here XD
[10:51] <elky> they're rather small
[10:51] <elky> s/dribble/speed/
[10:51] <Psinetic> don't think they'd help much. when i get ticked off it takes alot more than a ball to calm down
[10:52] <elky> no, but consider it replacement therapy. instead of swearing, punch the ball.
[10:53] <Psinetic> i should just get myself a taser and hit myself in the leg with it
[10:54] <Psinetic> ok, well, thanks guys. I just thought that I needed to make an apology for the behavior before, it was uncalled for.
[10:54] <elky> thanks for apologising. it's rare for sure.
[10:55] <Psinetic> well, in my line of work, an apology goes a long way. i'm not that person, the one who outbusts and goes nuts, that's not me, and i don't want to leave you with that impression
[10:56] <Psinetic> thanks for hearing me out, later guys.
[10:56] <elky> ciao
[10:56] <topyli> thanks for coming
[10:57] <topyli> hm
[10:59] <elky> i need to get me a speed ball for near my desk at work
[10:59] <topyli> heh
[11:00] <jussi01> that was nice.
[11:00] <elky> our HP supplier messed up and sent us the wrong machines, then refused to expedite replacements in time for our opening on friday. wednesday they came back with, and this is gall... "we can have them to you in 2 weeks. can you delay until then?".
[11:01] <elky> colourful language rang throughout the office at a large number of decibels.
[11:18] <jussi01> elky: you need to go higher in the supply chain. you are dealing with people too low to actually make decisions.
[11:19] <elky> jussi01, HP dont go direct for small companies over here.
[11:19] <elky> this was a special arrangement facilitated by a HP rep
[11:20] <elky> and the supplier messed up and refused to accept ownership of the problem
[11:26] <jussi01> that sucks
[13:34] <vox> sign
[13:34] <vox> -n+h
[13:35]  * MenZa pets vox 
[13:35] <MenZa> Ah, he left.
[13:35] <vox> nod
[13:36] <MenZa> I typed out a message, then scrolled up to check the backlog.
[13:36] <vox> i couldnt tell if he was trying to troll, or just had no clue about anything at all.
[13:36] <MenZa> He asked about becoming an op earlier.
[13:36] <MenZa> I giggled slightly.
[13:37] <vox> he was trolling then
[13:37] <MenZa> Most likely.
[13:37] <MenZa> Perhaps @mark him?
[13:38] <vox> nod
[13:39] <MenZa> You do it, then - I have no bt access ;)
[13:42] <MenZa> vox: ^
[13:43] <vox> nod
[13:43] <vox> just checking with other staffers
[13:44] <MenZa> sure, sure
[13:44]  * MenZa needs coffee.
[13:45] <vox> <-- still on learner plates
[13:45] <bazhang> Ultimate?
[13:45] <vox> nod
[13:45] <bazhang> I'll do it
[13:48] <bazhang> you can do it in PM with the bot @mark #channel nick (if they are around) or if not the whois info plus a comment
[13:49] <MenZa> !linux
[13:49] <MenZa> I think I need diff to see the difference between those two.
[13:50] <bazhang> hehe
[13:50] <vox> bazhang: ahar
[13:50] <fax> ??????????
[13:50] <vox> oh dear
[13:50] <bazhang> fax, how can we help you
[13:50] <fax>  <Getsuga> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[13:50] <fax>  <Getsuga> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[13:50] <fax>  <Getsuga> Error I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent )
[13:50] <fax>  <Getsuga> Error I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent )
[13:51] <fax> I haven't said anything to this Bbot
[13:51] <bazhang> fax, getsuga is your bot?
[13:51] <fax> nobody here knows about hit bot??
[13:52] <fax> no
[13:53] <tsimpson> fax: what exactly are you trying to say?
[13:55] <MenZa> fax: Getsuga is not an official bot.
[13:55] <fax> ok
[13:55] <tsimpson> I don't see Getsuga acting like a bot in #ubuntu
[13:56] <tsimpson> though the gecos is AutobotX (but that means nothing these days)
[13:56] <MenZa> fax: And as you can see, it's spewing offensive comments in ##club-ubuntu as well (not that that has anything to do with it, just saying)
[13:56] <fax> MenZa I put it on /ignore
[13:56] <MenZa> Good call.
[13:57] <MenZa> tsimpson: Tell me, does ubottu support sending !fact > $nick from within a /query or a channel which $nick isn't in?
[13:58] <tsimpson> as long as the bot can see $nick an a channel it's in
[13:58] <MenZa> Gotcha.
[14:00] <bazhang> no response from Getsuga via PM
[14:02] <tsimpson> I can't see that nick acting too strangely in any ubuntu channel, so I don't see an issue
[14:02] <tsimpson> what happens in another channel, related in some way to Ubuntu or not, is not relevant really
[14:02] <bazhang> thanks for reporting fax
[14:03] <fax> thats ok
[14:04] <MenZa> tsimpson: hence the "not that that has anything to do with it" :)
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> nickapalooza is trolling #ubuntu again
[19:12] <genii> Hm
[19:52] <guntbert> Hi, during the last weeks I have seen several references to "ubuntu tweak" - is there an "official" opinion about it? is it recommendable?
[19:52] <Tm_T> ummm, what is it?
[19:53] <guntbert> Tm_T: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ tools for tweaking ubuntu :)
[19:54] <ikonia> guntbert: funny enough we've had some contact with the developer to try to get it into the ubuntu repos and supported
[19:54] <ikonia> as it currently stands (while it being a good product) I find it quite hard to be able to support it, however popey and myself have contacted the developer to get it through the revo process and into the ubuntu universe repo
[19:55] <guntbert> ikonia: ok, so at least nothing to warn people about - like the last "tool" (I keep forgetting its name)
[19:55] <ikonia> automatix
[19:55] <Tm_T> hmm, it seems slightly redundant to me, but hmm
[19:55] <guntbert> ikonia: :)
[19:55] <ikonia> Tm_T: agree
[19:55] <Tm_T> ikonia: !ohmy (;)
[19:55] <ikonia> guntbert: it's caused a few serious mess ups, just like automatix
[19:56] <Tm_T> guntbert: let's say it this way, "it is not supported, no, not at all" to be in safe side
[19:56] <ikonia> guntbert: it's certainly not as prone to failure, and to be honest I'm much rather see this intergrated into the ubuntu process as legitmate tools than python scripts
[19:56] <ikonia> guntbert: as Tm_T says there are standalone tools already in ubuntu to do all this for you
[19:56] <ikonia> hence why I'd rather see the positive tweaks included into those tools
[19:56] <guntbert> ikonia: ok, I won't recommend it but every few days it is mentioned...., ok all clear to me thanks
[19:57] <ikonia> guntbert: just use judgment, if the guy you are talking tool looks like he can deal with it, don't be shy, just make it clear it can bork his box
[19:58] <guntbert> ikonia: ok, you know the most people are using it for their video/graphics issues
[19:58] <ikonia> guntbert: I didn't know that was a hot topic, no, but I don't see why they would need to (from a personal standpoint)
[19:59] <guntbert> ikonia: "hot" is a little exaggerated  but I stumbled about it a few times
[19:59] <ikonia> just use common sense, I'm sure it will be fine
[20:00] <guntbert> and that closes the issue for me - thx to you both
[21:53] <maco> from #ubuntu+1:
 anywya, will karmic look different and shiny and feel like some hot chick is licking and blowing cool air over my nut sack?
[21:59] <nalioth> maco: you use !ops to call in the assistance
[21:59] <maco> i ohmy'd
[21:59] <maco> he replied <secc> maco, ? What? I have a sack full of various nuts and seeds that I use as a healthy snack alternative? and why the hell would that be gross?
[21:59] <maco> and i just ugh'd and left
[22:01] <maco> arguing didnt seem possible
[22:03] <topyli> now he's googlefapping. i have no ops there
[22:03] <jpds> I'm watching.
[22:04] <topyli> oh so you are. sorry
[22:05] <jpds> Oh, he left.
[22:06] <nalioth> maco: !ohmy doesn't get our attention  :/
[22:29] <jpds> Oh dear.
[22:30] <jpds> http://paste.ubuntu.com/301611/
[22:30] <jpds> Might have some PM spam coming along.
[22:30] <topyli> ooh new friends
[22:37] <jpds> Looks like he's given up on me.
[22:44]  * ikonia awakes and offers help
[22:52] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, what is the name of the service nautilus uses to 'watch' files for changes?
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> bah, wrong channel.
[22:53] <ikonia> I'd like to know
[22:54] <gord> argh i know it
[22:54] <gord> gah, its gone
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> inotify, which is apparently a kernel API
[22:55] <ikonia> it is
[22:55] <ikonia> but that's not a service natulius uses, although you can link against it from glibc
[22:56] <tonyyarusso> Not that knowing that actually helps me of little programming knowledge.  :(
[22:56]  * tonyyarusso wants bzr to make a commit automatically when files change in a particular folder
[22:57] <Pricey> how would it know the changes have finished happenning?
[22:58] <ikonia> Pricey: it doesn't it's not a service
[22:58] <Pricey> not that specifically
[22:58] <Pricey> but the idea in general
[22:58] <Pricey> the solution to the problem
[22:59] <gord> tonyyarusso: wouldn't it be just as good to just have bzr start once a minute and do a bzr commit
[22:59] <ikonia> I think on write inotify through libc updates anything linked against it
[22:59] <ikonia> (over simplified in a big way)
[22:59] <tonyyarusso> gord: No, because then you'd have a bazillion commits, and finding the one where the change happened would be hard, no?  (bzr noob)
[23:00] <gord> tonyyarusso: if there are no modified files, then bzr will refuse to do a commit
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> oh
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> well maybe then
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> Not as elegant though :P
[23:01] <gord> when dealing with bzr, its safe to assume that bzr is a million times more clever than you
[23:01] <gord> and thats why its so wonderful <3
[23:01] <tonyyarusso> baha, true
[23:02] <Pricey> i was referring to "how do you know the file hasn't been half written"
[23:02] <ikonia> Pricey: because the file is closed on write (say from vi)
[23:03] <Pricey> I don't know these things.
[23:10] <ikonia> I've not looked at inotify for AGES, I remember it being a massive thing when it made it into the kernel
[23:14] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Tried asking #bzr?
[23:14] <tonyyarusso> jpds: not yet
[23:22] <maco> i think its the word "EMERGENCY" that puts me off calling !ops too often
[23:23] <jpds> ...
[23:23] <maco> (sorry i went to eat, just came back and read what was said since i left)