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JontheEchidnaLex79: it's past feature freeze now for univere, would need a motu-release ack00:33
JontheEchidnaadiroiban: kde-l10n-yourlang00:33
JontheEchidnaSo I think we have to force mysql 5.1 for karmic. akonadi really doesn't work with 5.0, for whatever reason00:39
JontheEchidnareverting to depending on mysql-server-core-5.1 rather than mysql-server-core would be the least invasive/regression prone way to deal with this, even if it is inconvenient for people who want 5.0 for whatever reason00:40
EagleScreengood luck then00:40
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: thoughts on ^ since you did the last upload?00:40
JontheEchidnathis is bug 459741 for reference, and totally breaks korganizer00:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459741 in akonadi "[Karmic] akonadiserver: Database process exited unexpectedly during initial connection" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45974100:41
ScottKWe just uploaded a new checkgmail svn snapshot because gmail changed something and it was broken.  Could someone check on kcheckgmail?02:01
JontheEchidnaScottK: I can test it02:08
ScottKJontheEchidna: Thanks.02:08
* jussi01 wonders if JontheEchidna is awake yet/still06:06
jussi01well ok, he isnt but someone may want to have a look at the bug I finally filed: bug 46087006:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460870 in kdeplasma-addons "Lancelot shows menu's incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46087006:15
rickspencer3hi guyses09:35
rickspencer3Riddell, good morning09:35
davmor2shhh nobody tell rickspencer3 that his posts aren't showing up ;)09:38
rickspencer3davmor2, that's pretty meta09:39
davmor2rickspencer3: Morning Dude just letting you know your alive :D09:40
rickspencer3If Kubuntu USB creator is having troubles, I think it'll be fixed quite soon09:40
rickspencer3evand is working on the backend today09:41
Riddellmorning rickspencer309:43
Riddellyou in Europe or keeping funny hours?09:43
rickspencer3Riddell, neither09:43
rickspencer3I'm in London ;)09:43
RiddellUSB creator was working fine for me last week09:43
Riddellrickspencer3: careful, declairing London to be not part of Europe, that's political conversations you're in there :)09:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, I am good with that, but it is really just reducing the amount of affected people ... someone who got software installed that requires 5.0 and akonadi will run into problems as well10:01
apacheloggerthe larger question however is, did we do something that triggered the incompability with 5.0 or does upstream just require 5.110:02
apacheloggerI kind of doubt the latter though10:02
Riddellapachelogger: I seem to remember akonadi requires 5.110:04
Riddell(or that might have been amarok)10:04
apacheloggeramarok does10:04
apacheloggeralways did, there is no embed mysql stuff in 5.0 :)10:04
apacheloggerRiddell: my theory is: since we build both, qt and akonadi against mysql 5.1 they both just can't talk to a 5.0 server10:08
apacheloggerif we built them against 5.0 it probably would be able to talk to 5.1 though10:08
apacheloggerthat said, 5.0 is in universe (AFAIK), so that is no option anyway10:08
apacheloggeronly solution is to revert to hard-dep on 5.110:08
apacheloggerwhich of course will conflict with people wanting 5.010:09
apacheloggerbut that is IMHO an architectual problem in mysql10:09
apacheloggerif they did not revert my precious make-mysql-versions-co-installable enhancements we would not have this problem to begin with since 5.0 and 5.1 could be installed at the same time10:09
apacheloggerbut oh well10:09
apacheloggerRiddell: do you concur?10:10
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Riddellapachelogger: I think I do10:12
Riddellit sounds sensible but hard to be sure without looking closer at it10:12
Riddellbut uploading a hard dep on 5.1 will certainly keep it working10:12
apacheloggerfor the larger part of the users anyway10:13
apacheloggerthose that have software requiring 5.0 are still boned :S10:13
apacheloggerRiddell: uploaded, should arrive in the queue soonish :)10:16
davmor2Riddell: bug 46022511:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460225 in ubufox "Firefox v 3.5.3 Home Page Error" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46022511:02
davmor2Looks like the kubuntu FF installer doesn't pull in the offline homepage11:03
Riddelldavmor2: that bug is pretty unclear in saying what the problem is11:04
Riddelldavmor2: but it sounds like a firefox packaging bug to me, it's certainly not the responsibility of kubuntu-docs to have anything whatsoever to do with firefox11:05
Riddellinfact that's really cheeky that they claim a firefox packging issue is a kubuntu issue11:06
davmor2Riddell: I can add info to it basically I've just run a test on it and /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork  isn't installed so it can't find the index.html which is at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html11:06
Riddellyep, that really does have nothing whatsoever to do with us11:07
davmor2Riddell: I'll let you duke it out with asac then :D11:07
* apachelogger notes that he nees to make the installer install firefox-gnome-support for lucid11:11
RiddellNCommander: did you manage to look into the kdebase-runtime issue on arm at all?11:38
Riddellif I had an arm machine I'd be wanting to check if onto2vocabularyclass runs or if it runs with an older version of soprano11:39
Riddellthe other thing to do is just to disable compiling the nepomuk dirctory on arm11:41
Riddellbut I'd still need something to test that on11:41
jussi01Riddell: any chance youve got a moment too look at my lancelot issue? or should I just wait for JontheEchidna....12:10
Riddelljussi01: what's the issue?12:19
jussi01Riddell: bug 46087012:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460870 in kdeplasma-addons "Lancelot shows menu's incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46087012:19
jussi01its on both my machines, so not just a local once off bug.12:20
Riddellsounds like a bug in lancelot12:21
Riddellbest find a lancelot developer to poke12:22
jussi01ok, who would they be off the top of your head?12:22
JontheEchidnaivan cuick12:23
jussi01ahh, heres JontheEchidna:)12:24
jussi01JontheEchidna: do you know where to find him? is he irc-able? or is there some better way to sort this (forward bug upstream?)12:26
JontheEchidnaI think he's on IRC sometimes, but I cannot recall the nick atm12:26
* jussi01 would like it fixed before release if possible...12:26
apacheloggercan't reproduce on intel12:26
jussi01hrm, where is the lanceltot config, maybe if I nuke that and see if it fixes things.12:28
Lex79good morning, users in my forum complains about there is no time remaining in battery plasmoid, only % remaining. Is it a kde bug ?12:30
Lex79I haven't a notebook to test it12:31
sebasIt's not a bug, we deliberately leave it out since there's no way the remaining time can be measured reliably12:31
sebaspower consumption is too dymamic12:31
Lex79thanks sebas :)12:31
sebasno problem12:31
Sputsebas: mmmh, it was nice to have something like that though just for seeing how what you do currently extrapolated over time12:54
Sputso you knew that you were currently something expensive12:54
Sput(e.g. the current drain rate would be cool, if not in the form of a time estimate)12:54
sebasSput: we decided against it since most people won't understand that this number is highly speculative12:55
sebasYou can probably add showRemainingTime=true in the plasmoid's config to make it appear, but the option will likely go away in 4.412:55
Sputsebas: how about the current drain rate then? or something like that?12:55
sebasSput: maybe I'll add some advanced battery information, now I'm concentrating on fixing up the popup's layout12:57
Sputsebas: 'tis ok, just food for thought :)12:57
sebascool :)12:57
* Sput is slacking too much lately12:58
SputI'm working on your feature, but it's taking way too long because I can't focus too much currently :/12:58
EagleScreenon karmic: I have to press ten times the brighness key to decrease or the brighness, only can go to from full brighness to lower13:12
orestesHello, may I ask a little question about kubuntu CD customization?13:16
Riddellorestes: yes13:16
orestesI'm creating the Catalan Remix CD from an original english CD using UCK tools, but when I boot into the customized Kubuntu there are 2 ovelapping plasmoids on the screen, which can cause confusion to new users.13:17
Riddellorestes: which plasmoids?  is this jaunty or karmic?13:18
orestesI want to know which configuration file must I change to get rid of one of these plasmoids13:18
orestesIs karmic, of course.13:18
Riddellorestes: unfortunately plasma doesn't make it easy to use a config file for the default layout, so we end up patching it, the patch is kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff in kdebase-workspace13:20
orestesRiddell: Ok, I see. But I'm not sure I'd be able to dig into this patch, so is there any config file, script, or so I can modify in the unpacked CD root filesystem? I've this filesystem unpacked as part of my customization process...13:26
Riddellorestes: well the quickest workaround would be   rm /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-microblog.desktop13:31
Riddellof course then people can't add back microblog should they wish to13:32
orestesOk. Many thanks. I'll try in a while (now going lunch ;-)13:33
Riddellorestes: let us know how you get on13:35
Riddellwell here's a workaround for arm http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-runtime_4.3.2-0ubuntu4.debdiff13:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pre-making the sycoca would probably "solve" bug 36620113:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 366201 in kdebase "Kubuntu 9.04 live CD: initial login appears to hang for 20 seconds (on Core2Duo!)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36620113:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: at the very least improve the situation14:10
apacheloggerRiddell: such stuff would be reported against ubuntu-cdimage project on lp?14:16
Riddellapachelogger: yes I think so14:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I suppose we should test my theory before reporting a wish though :)14:21
JontheEchidnaheh, yeah14:22
txwikingerhe Riddell14:29
txwikingerThe Kubuntu CD went faster at the Linuxfest than the Ubuntu CD :D14:30
* txwikinger notes that this is not a statistically sound sample though ;)14:31
* JontheEchidna waves goodbye to kubuntu-grub-splashimages14:32
* txwikinger tests out what of all the problems he has, has been fixed in Karmic14:33
txwikingerFirefox 3.5 has a cute new scrollbar14:47
ScottKRiddell: Quassel has switched to gettext for translations for their next release, so they should no longer be weired when it comes to that.14:59
Riddellgood idea quassel devs15:04
Sputlet's see how it plays out :)15:11
Sputsince Qt 4.5 it's quite easy to convert between .po and .ts, so we updated our build system to use .po15:11
RiddellI wish qt would just convert to using gettext15:16
Riddellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/302118/ random bit of praise in my inbox for kubuntu on eee pc15:17
Riddellplanetkde also has a nice upgrade praise from jos of KO15:17
JontheEchidnathe feedback on the RC page has been consistently decent too15:18
ScottKI wonder if the guy that mailed you knows about Kubuntu Netbook.15:18
RiddellScottK: I was going to e-mail him to say that15:20
Riddellkdebase-runtime seems to be compiling15:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/kmail/nl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=gmail15:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: poke mr. pitti to manually fix that up15:28
JontheEchidna\o rgreening15:33
rgreeningJontheEchidna: o/ oy .. how goes15:33
JontheEchidnakcm_touchpad guy switched to xinput :)15:33
JontheEchidnaI also helped him set up localization stuff15:34
JontheEchidnalooks like it'll be a viable solution for 10.0415:34
rgreeningi guess that makes my uds thing easier15:34
rgreeningim sure we can help add mure to it during the cycle though...15:35
rgreeningJontheEchidna: we should help him get it into kde upstream.15:36
JontheEchidnathat would be ideal, yes15:36
rgreeningso we get it for free :)15:36
JontheEchidnafeature freeze for 4.4 is in a week though15:36
JontheEchidnasoft feature freeze, where anything not on the planned feature list has to wait15:37
rgreeningask  riddell if he can help get it on the list15:37
rgreeningwe should get it into playground asap though....15:37
JontheEchidnaoh, I could help do that if we could convince the author to move upstream15:37
txwikingerhi rgreening15:37
JontheEchidna(adding it to the list)15:37
rgreeninghey txwikinger15:38
rgreeningman, im so beat from vacation.. i need another to recover15:38
rgreeningill be more online starting tomorrow... after i recover from tonights flight.15:39
rgreeninggotta shower.. bbiab...15:39
apacheloggerqtimer pwsn sleep!15:40
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: in r61 I replaced the apport sleep with a qtimer15:40
* JontheEchidna pushed a compile fix as r61 <.<15:42
JontheEchidnaoh, everything's ok now. nothing to worry about :)15:43
apacheloggerwe all know why hash based revisions are superior to number incrementation15:44
apacheloggergit pwsn bzr for that matter15:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, when you poke pitti about that nl translation issue ... could you also find out why apport-checkreports got a seperate arg for for system user reports?15:47
apacheloggerfor performance reasons it would make sense to consider both user and system user reports taken into account ... as per reference implementation in gnomes update-notifier we would need to call checkreports twice15:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: nvm15:49
* apachelogger remembers :D15:49
apacheloggersystem reports require sudo access and thus the user should not care, which is why I do not want to support that case to begin with15:49
apachelogger+ I still find running checkreports twice is a PITA performance-wise15:50
yuriyapachelogger: iirc system reports includes user reports15:51
yuriyoh but does it need to be run twice to check if you need to run it with system reports?15:52
apacheloggerupdate-notifer does run it twice, once without and once with system15:54
apacheloggeralso I doubt that system includes user, then the name would be misleading :P15:54
Riddellkdebase-runtime uploaded with nepomuk disabled for arm15:55
apachelogger/* Kubuntu has a bug in it - this is a workaround for it */15:57
apacheloggermost useful comment ever :D15:57
Riddellwhere's that?15:58
apacheloggerRiddell: kdesudo15:59
apacheloggerno clue why that is necessary and what the bug is15:59
Riddellblame Tonio_, that's the usual way with kdesudo issues :)15:59
apacheloggerTonio_: ping ping16:02
SputRiddell: well, at least Qt is providing tools to convert between .po and .ts... that's a start16:02
Tonio_apachelogger: yep ?16:04
Tonio_apachelogger: sorry for being away, I'm in china atm.... timezone difference...16:05
apacheloggerTonio_: kdesudo/main.cpp lin 116 onwards16:05
Tonio_apachelogger: that's old code :)16:05
apacheloggerwhat is the kubuntu issue and why is that workaround necessar?16:05
Tonio_apachelogger: shouldn't be considered a bug I think, just.... I never removed that line :)16:05
apacheloggerTonio_: well, the manual adding of search paths is a bug IMHO16:06
apacheloggerat the very least a maintenance PITA16:06
Tonio_apachelogger: I agree16:07
* apachelogger looks into that16:07
Tonio_apachelogger: but not adding this ends up a breakage.... not my fault afaik16:07
apacheloggerTonio_: btw, I am enhancing kdesudo to support the desktop file as argument16:07
apacheloggerso that desktop file name does not need to match executable name16:07
Tonio_apachelogger: that would be nice16:09
Tonio_apachelogger: it's definately something I should have fixed...16:09
apacheloggeryeah, you should :P16:09
Tonio_apachelogger: do you have commit access to the the dev branch ?16:09
* apachelogger needs it for kubuntu-firefox-installer, so16:09
apacheloggerTonio_: yes16:09
Tonio_apachelogger: so many things I should have done...16:09
apacheloggerwell, time is only limited :)16:10
Tonio_apachelogger: no time right now, I have too much work, unfortunatelly16:10
Tonio_apachelogger: the last 3 month, I've spent 2 month in canada, 2 weeks in china.... and I have a girlfriend, and now my own company...16:10
Tonio_apachelogger: all of this doesn't help :/16:10
Riddelldon't forget to visit freeflyi1g while you're in China16:11
Riddellit's a small country, I'm sure he can't be far away16:11
apacheloggerTonio_: yeah, all to understandable that you dont have any time left :)16:12
Tonio_Riddell: :)16:22
Tonio_no time I'm affraid, I'm not there to visit :/16:22
Tonio_I did saw the great wall and forbidden city actually16:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: turns out most of our "akonadi doesn't start" bugs (besides the mysql-5.0 bug) were apparmor issues16:38
JontheEchidnanice of Jamie to take care of all that for apparmor :)16:39
JontheEchidnaScottK: has the new kcheckgmail been published? I cannot see it yet16:48
ScottKJontheEchidna: DId you upload it?16:48
JontheEchidnaI thought you said somebody else uploaded it and it needed testing16:48
JontheEchidnaI can take a look at svn if its needed though16:48
ScottKJontheEchidna: No, what's needed is knowing if the current one works and if not if there's an update available.16:49
ScottKSince checkgmail was broken, odds are kcheckgmail is too16:49
* JontheEchidna wonders about kgmailnotifier too16:50
ScottKJontheEchidna: Good point.16:51
JontheEchidnakcheckgmail fails16:54
* JontheEchidna tries to find an svn repo16:55
JontheEchidnaaha: http://kcheckgmail-lpereira.blogspot.com/2009/10/shortest-release-ever.html16:55
JontheEchidnanew upstream release that fixes just that16:56
JontheEchidnaafter the release it broke, so they committed a fix16:56
* JontheEchidna patches16:57
ScottKJontheEchidna: Excellent.  Go ahead and upload when it's ready.  I'll accept it.17:20
JontheEchidnasuccess! kcheckgmail works17:40
JontheEchidnaScottK: kcheckgmail uploaded, should appear shortly17:42
ScottKJontheEchidna: Great.17:44
JontheEchidnakgmailnotifier is broken too, snooping around for that17:44
ScottKGo, go, go.17:44
JontheEchidnamreh, doesn't seem to have a VCS17:46
JontheEchidnaa bit sad since it's KDE4, as opposed to KCheckGMail17:47
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ScottKI gather you never found a vcs for kgmailnotifier?21:13
ScottKMaybe someone else could have a look since JontheEchidna is a bit busy atm21:14
JontheEchidnaright, never found one21:14
* ScottK bets Lex79 could figure something out21:14
zoraelRegarding "Update kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff to use the same OSD as kmix" in kdebase-workspace (4:4.3.2-0ubuntu7), it doesn't seem to be displaying any OSD now at all, neither when changed via brightness keys nor via the applet21:28
zoraelkmix displays its OSD though21:29
ScottKOdd.  Works here.21:37
ScottKI guess file a bug.....21:37
ScottK(It's too late for anything but fixes for earth shattering problems now.21:38
zoraelScottK: It seems to only show if laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware is set to false, if that helps. Should I file a bug?22:00
ScottKzorael: Yes22:02
davmor2ScottK: startin' on KNE now :)22:52
davmor2will start with wubi me thinks22:52
ScottKdavmor2: Cool.  You can leave the manual partition install for me.22:58
davmor2No we'll just double up it's allowed honest :)22:58
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