[00:00] <mzz> hmm, probably not gnome-session, my grep isn't hitting
[00:00] <mzz> might be gnome-panel
[00:01] <tanath> anyone else notice compiz interfering with fullscreen video?
[00:01] <tanath> i just get a black screen.
[00:01] <DanaG> anyway, check my comments on that eSATA bug.
[00:01] <tanath> still hear audio though
[00:02] <Bigshot_> i am itchy to download 9.10 RC should i ? should i? or should i wait till 29?
[00:02] <Random832> so i'm going to set up karmic in a virtual machine - how much memory and hard disk space do i need?
[00:03] <tanath> compiz also seems to be covering my desktop with blackness too
[00:03] <maco> Bigshot_: wont be much changes between now and then
[00:04] <maco> Random832: with or without a gui?
[00:04] <Bigshot_> maco: will karmic make my multitouch thingy work?
[00:04] <Random832> @maco, with
[00:04] <maco> Bigshot_: i dont have your hardware, so i dont know
[00:04] <Bigshot_> @maco multitouch screen laptop
[00:04] <maco> Bigshot_: try a live cd?
[00:05] <maco> Random832: i think 384MiB min RAM and a few GiB disk
[00:05] <Random832> k
[00:05] <mzz> hmm, actualy was gnome-session. Must've messed up a grep.
[00:06] <tanath> anyone know what the deal is with compiz?
[00:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768
[00:06] <DanaG> so... should I attach that to devkit-disks?
[00:06] <Bigshot_> maco can i upgrade from RC to final release? and how?
[00:06] <mzz> hey, I can't reproduce it. Perhaps it was fixed in karmic and I was remembering it from jaunty :)
[00:06] <DanaG> "          -------           Rejecting as INVALID.  If someone has a machine with working ahci external port marking, I have patches to test but given that most other controllers don't have such feature, I think we need hal whitelisting one way or the other."
[00:06] <maco> Bigshot_: regular updates'll do it
[00:07] <DanaG> okay.... where are these patches?
[00:07] <DanaG> =þ
[00:07]  * DanaG slaps the kernel devs with an eSATA cable, too.
[00:07] <eitreach_> Icelandic smileys rule. :)
[00:08] <DanaG> "If someone has a machine with working ahci external port marking, I have patches to test but given that most other controllers don't have such feature, I think we need hal whitelisting one way or the other."
[00:08] <DanaG> Hah, almost EVERY machine I've seen with AHCI eSATA... has done port marking JUST FINE.
[00:08] <DanaG> How did they miss that?
[00:09] <jimpop> asleep? :-)
[00:09] <DanaG> " Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many machines which actually use the facility." -- HAH!
[00:09] <DanaG> haaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaH!
[00:09] <DanaG> Excuse the ranting, but yeah, those kinds of conclusions really irk me.
[00:09] <DanaG> "I've never seen it; therefore, they must not exist."
[00:10] <bjsnider> DanaG, there's a kernel team channel here
[00:11] <jimpop> will they address why they refused to support Poulsbo chipset ?
[00:11] <bjsnider> ask intel
[00:11] <jimpop> i mean, it's only 50% of the netbook market so far
[00:11] <DanaG> That's Intel's fault.
[00:11] <Bigshot_> can i use http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/ to create a live usb for KARMIC?
[00:11] <DanaG> And PowerVR's fault.
[00:11] <maco> jimpop: you're on that again? ugh. seriously, go whine to intel to fix their freakin drivers
[00:11] <maco> repeating your whining in here every few hours isnt going to help squat
[00:11] <DanaG> Or ask them to give you a refund.
[00:12] <jimpop> the intel drivers work... i'm writing this on a AAO
[00:12] <DanaG> =þ
[00:12] <maco> just annoy the fest of us
[00:12] <maco> *rest
[00:12] <jimpop> i have no other recourse but to spread the word
[00:12] <maco> WE ALREADY KNOW the drivers are broken
[00:13] <jimpop> it's unsupported in Karmic, but simple me made it work... the only hurdle was a stupid pkg error
[00:13] <stpere> maco: put him on your ignore list
[00:13] <maco> so submit a patch
[00:13] <jimpop> it's already in a bug report... that *still* gets ignored
[00:13] <jimpop> thus my complaining
[00:13] <maco> are sponsors subscribed to the report?
[00:14] <jimpop> let me see
[00:14] <maco> because patches attached to bugs without sponsors subscribed wont get touched
[00:14] <maco> also, the patch has to be right
[00:14] <maco> if its just a dirty hack, its going to get ignored
[00:14] <bjsnider> hahahaa that is probably true
[00:14] <jimpop> listed as "wishlist" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[00:14] <bjsnider> the patch has to not suck
[00:14] <jimpop> it's not even a patch, it's a build error
[00:15] <maco> a build error ain't a fix
[00:15] <maco> submit a patch to fix the build error
[00:15] <maco> one that is *correct* then subscribe sponsors
[00:15] <jimpop> here's the gist of what it takes: http://mail.ale.org/pipermail/ale/2009-October/113618.html
[00:15] <maco> that's how you get things fixed
[00:15] <maco> whining does not get things fixed
[00:15] <maco> blogging does not get things fixed
[00:16] <maco> doing the fscking work gets things fixed
[00:16] <jimpop> apparently reporting bugs doesn't get things fixed either....
[00:16] <maco> not if there arent enough people to fix 'em
[00:16] <maco> 10,000 users can file bugs but if there's only 50 people working on fixing the bugs, they'll be overwhelmed
[00:17] <jimpop> i doubt that is the case with the psb chipset... as you said earlier... *you* are stalled waiting on Intel to fix a Karmic problem
[00:17] <maco> i'm not stalled on anything. i dont have that hardware :)
[00:17] <jimpop> a Karmic *packaging* problem
[00:18] <maco> if you think its a packaging problem, submit a debdiff
[00:18] <jimpop> i've done my part, identifying the build issue... if it takes a debdiff or patch to move things along (on such a simple issue) then the whole cause it just lost.
[00:19] <DanaG>  http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on-linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/
[00:19] <DanaG> nice.
[00:19] <maco> glad to see you care soooooo much that you're willing to squat
[00:19] <maco> *do squat
[00:20] <maco> ugh
[00:20] <maco> when did this channel get so whiny?
[00:20] <jimpop> maco: look at the build page https://launchpad.net/~lucazade/+archive/gma500 and see the 5 week old build error for the core piece
[00:20] <jimpop> how does a build error (a simple rm instead of rmdir) exist for 5 weeks
[00:21] <jimpop> i gather it's because Ubuntu *doesn't* want to fix it
[00:21] <wgrant> Who is lucazade, and why do I care about their PPA?
[00:21] <maco> ubuntu is not a single entity
[00:21] <Buuntu> can someone help me with a failed upgrade to Karmic?
[00:21] <Travis-42> Should I be able to use the wine repository for jaunty? There is no karmic repository yet. Or do I need to compile it myself?
[00:21] <Buuntu> I can't boot up ubuntu now... :(
[00:21] <maco> ubuntu is a collection of people VOLUNTEERING their time
[00:21] <wgrant> Travis-42: Why do you want to use their repository?
[00:21] <jimpop> which raises the question of Politics... couple that with all the "Get Intel to fix it" just smacks of ignorance
[00:21] <wgrant> Travis-42: There are 1.2 betas in the archive.
[00:22] <Travis-42> wgrant: oh really? I've just been using it for a while because the ubuntu repositories didn
[00:22] <BluesKaj> Travis-42, install wine with apt-get or your package manager, no need to compile from source
[00:22] <jimpop> maco Lcazade volunteered his time... and main stream dev gave up on him
[00:22] <Travis-42> 't have anywhere near the latest
[00:22] <maco> jimpop: the drivers themselves are in poor shape regardless of packaging. that part is intel's fault. sure the packaging is on the distro's side, but why are you so unwilling to just fix it if you know how to?
[00:22] <wgrant> Travis-42: See the wine1.2 package.
[00:22] <Byron> I've been rebooting everytime the network gives out as I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic. I know nothing has been applied yet as the download has only gotten to just over 500 packages out of 1318, but I'm in the process of copying things to my external HDD via USB. Things are looking good.
[00:22] <jimpop> maco, all i can say is that the Intel drivers are working fine for me.
[00:22] <Travis-42> wgrant: thanks
[00:23] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: What happens when you try to boot, please give as many details as possible
[00:23] <maco> i'm sorry, i'm not  putting up with people who'd rather act like a baby than help
[00:23] <jimpop> i've helped
[00:23] <jimpop> I've given the right info
[00:23] <jimpop> it's people like you maco that just keep drinking the "Get Intel to fix it" koolaide
[00:24] <BluesKaj> never seen someone compain so much about complainers:)
[00:24] <jimpop> the Intel drivers work... it's the Ubuntu packaging that is broken
[00:24] <yofel> jimpop: you have psb working with the 2.6.31 kernel?
[00:24] <jimpop> yes
[00:24] <jimpop> rock solid
[00:24] <Byron> spoke too soon :(
[00:24] <jimpop> yofel, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[00:25] <jimpop> the only reason they won't work in Karmic main is due to a packaging build error (rm vs rmdir)
[00:25] <greg-g> quit your whining
[00:25] <jimpop> meanwhile... all those (approaching 1m) new netbooks with Poulsbo chipsets will not be able to d/l and install Karmic
[00:25] <greg-g> ;)
[00:26] <jimpop> it's a huge error for Ubuntu to ignore a new mainstream market
[00:27] <jimpop> i realize it may be too late to make it into the final release... but I well intend to leave a trail of my efforts to get it supported.
[00:27] <Jordan_U> jimpop: If it's really that simple, since it's too late to make it into karmic for release, do you plan to make a ppa for it, and if not would you help me make one?
[00:27]  * greg-g should note that I have no idea what conversation he just butted into and his comment should be taken as tounge in check
[00:27] <greg-g> (cheek)
[00:28] <Buuntu> ok, here is my thread, , I'd rather not have to repeat it all :P -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300719
[00:28] <poutine> Why does ubuntu only allow me to install libmozjs-dev if I uninstall firefox? (This was not the case on the last major release)
[00:28] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I don't know how to build pkgs to right way, but with the info I've already provide (and will do again) i will help *anyone* make whatever it takes to get this supported in Karmic.
[00:29] <acicula> get source of package, make change, debuild
[00:29] <acicula> or something along that line iirc
[00:29] <jimpop> hehe...it's those last bits that are important in doing it the right way
[00:29] <wgrant> poutine: libmozjs-dev is from xulrunner 1.8, which was Firefox 2.0. It is very much deprecated.
[00:30] <poutine> wgrant, I use libmozjs in my application, it's spidermonkey, it may be deprecated in firefox but afaik I'm not the only other person to use it for embedding and extending javascript
[00:30] <acicula> no debuild just takes the old package with your changes and packages a new one, pretty great if you need to make a simple change
[00:30] <wgrant> poutine: Is there no xulrunner 1.9.x alternative?
[00:31] <poutine> wgrant, I don't even know what xulrunner is, all I know is that libmozjs is spider monkey
[00:31] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: any idea?
[00:31] <mmcji> any suggestions on what i can do the get proper resolution on lcd monitor?  everything looks short and fat.  best resolution i can get on external lcd is 1024x768
[00:31] <Jordan_U> jimpop: One nice thing about PPA's is that if the source package is good, Launchpads build server makes sure it's built the right way :)
[00:31] <m0r0n> http://lifehacker.com/5388454/ubuntu-910-release-candidate-available-for-download       I thought it gets released on the 29th?
[00:32] <poutine> wgrant, http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/
[00:32] <poutine> ^ That's libmozjs
[00:32] <poutine> xulrunner is something different
[00:33] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: Were you connected to the internet when you ran apt-get upgrade?
[00:33] <poutine> and I was running firefox-3.0 on ubuntu 9.04 with libmozjs-dev installed just fine
[00:33] <wgrant> poutine: libmozjs0d is built by xulrunner 1.8.
[00:33] <acicula> mmcji: sounds like the default video driver loaded rather then the one appropriate for your pc
[00:33] <jimpop> Jordan_U, with the Lucazade's ppa there is something (i'm not sure what) that breaks the build.. that something is a cleanup script that tries to remove a directory with "rm -f" which obviously won't work
[00:33] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: oh... LOL
[00:33] <greg-g> poutine: xulrunner provides libmozjs http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libmozjs-dev (see the right hand side for source package)
[00:33] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: damn, my wireless doesn't work on the live cd, time to go get an ethernet cable I guess
[00:34] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: thanks for pointing that out! ^^
[00:34] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: np :)
[00:34] <poutine> greg-g, I'm unaware of any dependency in that regard, is there a package I can install so I can build my application like I used to?
[00:34] <poutine> that will not uninstall firefox
[00:35] <wgrant> poutine: Perhaps look in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev
[00:37] <poutine> wgrant, no dice
[00:37] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Have you tried to contact Luca Forina to tell him what change needs to be made ( since he already has the ppa set up ) ?
[00:37] <wgrant> poutine: I see jsapi.h in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev
[00:38] <poutine> hmm
[00:38] <stpere> hi poutine
[00:38] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I got no response (approx 3 weeks ago)
[00:38] <stpere> num num
[00:38] <Byron> I was looking into the netbook version of Kubuntu. Will it be a different upgrade than the standard one for Kubuntu desktop?
[00:39] <bjsnider> jimpop, create your own ppa
[00:39] <poutine> ok wgrant, installing libmozjs used to provide a facility into pkg-config where i could do pkg-config xulrunner-js --libs
, i'm not the one to do that (various issues, including lack of correct knowledge)
[00:39] <poutine> and it'd show me compile flags
[00:39] <poutine> this is no longer the case
[00:39] <poutine> in fact I see no pkg-config information for xulrunner or anything else anymore
[00:40] <wgrant> poutine: Try mozilla-js
[00:40] <wgrant> Rather than xulrunner-js
[00:40] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's not that hard once you have done it once
[00:40] <poutine> is there some rationale for the change (so I can adjust my autoconf macros)
[00:40] <poutine> ?
[00:41] <wgrant> poutine: I presume it's an upstream change.
[00:41] <poutine> but it did work (thanks for that)
[00:41] <jimpop> Jordan_U, $DAYJOB prohibits me
[00:41] <bjsnider> jimpop, knowledge is not a zero-sum game
[00:41] <jimpop> without much legal paperwork/proceedures/etc
[00:41] <bjsnider> udjumucate yourself
[00:41] <Jordan_U> jimpop: If I create a ppa ( if I have time today ) and post a link to it in that bug report would you test it? ( I don't have any intel hardware )
[00:41] <poutine> wgrant, seems like xulrunner-js would be better if it's provided by the xulrunner package rather than mozilla, is this a change by ubuntu or mozilla?
[00:41] <innomen> Ok guys I installed xp, and then ubuntu, but the partition it chose ot make for ubuntu is tiny, i boot in live cd to rezie with gpart and it shows two drives sda1 and sda1, and i have 130 gigs of unallocated space on sda1, how do i move it to sda2?
[00:41] <jimpop> Jordan_U, yes. most certainly
[00:42] <innomen> its the same physical drive
[00:42] <wgrant> poutine: I don't know; I avoid Mozilla stuff like the plague. Repeating: xulrunner-1.9.1-dev is the package name, mozilla-js is the pkg-config name.
[00:42] <poutine> anyways, that is what I was looking for exactly, thanks wgrant
[00:42] <innomen> (if that wasn't obvious)
[00:44] <habanany> hey guys I running karmic which comes with with f-spot, do i still need picasa?
[00:44] <jschall> wine fullscreen seems to disable my desktop effects in kubuntu, how can i stop that from happening?
[00:45] <greg-g> habanany: that is a question only you can answer. They are two different programs
[00:47] <innomen> !gparted
[00:47] <habanany> ok to make it clear , i just want to know which one is better, keeping in mind that I'm newbe in linux
[00:47] <innomen> this is insane
[00:47] <greg-g> habanany: again, only a question you can answer. Try both, pick which one feels better to you.
[00:48] <Byron> Are there known issues with ext3 and 1TB hdd?
[00:48] <shiretok0> what can I expect to experience with the rc of kubuntu? should I wait for final?
[00:48] <habanany> your answer make sense greg-g , thanks
[00:48] <innomen> Why did karmic make a 3gb install partition when i had 130gb of unallocated space for it?
[00:49] <thiebaude> innomen: ubuntu needs at least 4gb for install
[00:49] <qwebirc45876> Hello.
[00:49] <innomen> thiebaude, i'm looking at a a 3gb install
[00:49] <innomen> but i want to expand it, obviously
[00:49] <greg-g> habanany: no problem. :)
[00:49] <qwebirc45876> I was wondering what I can do to start learning for helping to develop for Ubuntu.
[00:50] <qwebirc45876> Any links?
[00:50] <qwebirc45876> Or tips?
[00:50] <BluesKaj> innomen, unallocated is just that you have to format it to ext3 or 4 for linux
[00:50] <andril> hello all
[00:50] <innomen> but gparted wont let it used unallocated space form the "other" drive sda1/sda2
[00:50] <innomen> BluesKaj, i know
[00:50] <BluesKaj> format it then
[00:50] <innomen> i did and ended up with a 130gb ext4 parition
[00:50] <innomen> that dosent help me
[00:51] <yofel> qwebirc45876: looked at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate ?
[00:51] <innomen> i dont need a third parition i need ot resize the first one
[00:52] <greg-g> innomen: boot from livecd and resize the partition
[00:52] <BluesKaj> innomen, when you install use the manual partitioning option and make sure you choose / for the ext4
[00:52] <innomen> greg-g, i'm in live cd, it wont let me resize it the unallocated space is on the "other" drive despite there being only one physical drive
[00:53] <innomen> BluesKaj, so its not possible to use unallocated space on one parition to expand another?
[00:53] <blaz2> hello! does 3d acceleration work for i915? (EEE PC 701), out of the box i seem to have software rendering only..
[00:53] <BluesKaj> no it has to have a formatted space
[00:53] <innomen> BluesKaj, explain
[00:53] <BluesKaj> I just did
[00:53] <innomen> i formate the unallocated space to X and then what?
[00:53] <innomen> no you didnt
[00:54] <BluesKaj> innomen, read above about the manual parttionin option
[00:54] <innomen> i'm not going to reinstall ubunut just to resize a parition
[00:54] <wgrant> innomen: Run 'sudo fdisk -l' and pastebin the output.
[00:54] <innomen> there has ot be a way with gparted
[00:55] <wgrant> Let's see what's actually going on here.
[00:55] <innomen> one moment
[00:56] <yofel> blaz2: it should, what exact chip do you have? (type 'lspci | grep VGA' in a terminal to find out)
[00:56] <jschall> kde seems to disable desktop effects when i run a fullscreen game and then it forgets to turn them back on when i stop running a fullscreen game, is there any way to disable that?
[00:56] <xguru> i saw an update about easy backup/recover.....what was that about?  I didn't see any new menus
[00:57] <BluesKaj> well then innomen , you might be stuck with 3G partition
[00:57] <darthanubis> anyone know of a bug where upron reboot sound is always back to zero?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> jimpop: What file needs to be changed exactly?
[00:58] <innomen> trying to make pastebin work
[00:58] <innomen> so clunky
[00:58] <blaz2> yofel: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[00:59] <yofel> blaz2: fresh install or upgrade? Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:59] <blaz2> yofel: glxinfo | grep render shows 'Software Rasterizer' and Extreme Tux Tacer is extremely slow (~0.5 FPS)
[01:00] <yofel> blaz2: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:01] <blaz2> yofel: no xorg.conf file. Installed from mini.iso few day ago and keep up-to-date
[01:01] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I started here https://launchpad.net/~lucazade/+archive/gma500/+build/1243964 and then clicked on "buildlog" and dug through the errors.  I don't know what causes the error, but here is the error text from that log: "rm: cannot remove `/usr/include/drm-linux-libc': Is a directory"
[01:01] <blaz2> yofel: ok, just a moment, its on another machine...
[01:03] <yofel> jimpop: I looked at that log, and the actual build failure is 'checking for DRI... configure: error: Package requirements (libdrm >= 2.0 xf86driproto) were not met: No package 'libdrm' found'
[01:04] <wgrant> (-psb does some really revolting stuff with a modified libdrm; after seeing that error I ran away swiftly)
[01:04] <jimpop>  yofel, yeah i see that too.  wouldn't libdrm be installed on the build env?
[01:04] <stpere> there is no DRM in linux :P
[01:04] <stpere> j/k
[01:04] <blaz2> yofel: heres Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m29bdda26
[01:05] <jimpop> stpere, it's Display Resolution Manager (or something like that, but not Digital Rights Managment)
[01:05] <stpere> I know
[01:05] <stpere> I was kidding
[01:05] <jimpop> gotcha
[01:05] <Docteh> where would I get help on stepping through the init system?
[01:05] <yofel> jimpop: not if libdrm-dev or something like that isn't a build-dependency of the package. Only the packages that are necessary to build a package are installed on a build machine
[01:06] <yofel> jimpop: and the package itself has to tell the buildd what packages it needs
[01:06] <jimpop> yofel. i see.  That PPA also provides a libdrm-poulsbo diversion
[01:06] <durt> !upstart | Docteh
[01:07] <Docteh> ooo theres a wiki now
[01:08] <Random832> they're getting rid of sysvinit now? wow it's amazing how much has changed in the last ten years
[01:09] <poutine> ubuntu's willingness to test out solutions that cause more issues than the problems they "solve" isn't a good thing imho
[01:09]  * poutine is still butthurt over pulseaudio
[01:10] <Innomen2> What was that command again?
[01:10] <yofel> blaz2: I'm out of ideas then since everything looks right to me :/
[01:10] <Innomen2> sudo fdisk -l
[01:12] <Innomen2> it takes forever when i have to reboot because i have to download xchat
[01:12] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It looks like the rm -f was not the primary problem, so that should explain why this hasn't been fixed yet
[01:12] <blaz2> yofel: ok thanks for looking!
[01:12] <Innomen2> i guess w left
[01:13] <jimpop> Jordan_U, so, what's the next step?  The dependency ?
[01:13] <Innomen2> How do i use unallocated space from one parition to expand another?
[01:13] <jschall> so if i run a game in wine and then try to start desktop effects in kubuntu, i get a lovely solid white screen until it times out or i hit esc
[01:13] <jschall> using nvidia drivers latest version on an 8800gts
[01:13] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yes, and it's likely more complicated than just adding a build-depends. I am trying installing libdrm-dev now and building again
[01:14] <poutine> so where would I log a bug like, "running /etc/init.d/apache2 stop as a normal user reports [OK] even though it in fact does nothing"
[01:16] <Jordan_U> jimpop: After installing libdrm-dev I am getting different errors at least
[01:16] <Jordan_U> jimpop: But it's still failing very early
[01:17] <jimpop> Jordan_U, is it possible for me to see the buildlog (not sure if this is a ppa yet or you are working local)
[01:18] <yofel> poutine: report a bug against apache2.2-common with 'ubuntu-bug apache2.2-common' since it's the package that ships /etc/init.d/apache2
[01:18] <poutine> thanks yofel
[01:18] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'm working locally, http://jordanu.dyndns.org/buildlog-current.txt
[01:19] <jimpop> what is $LANG on that system?
[01:19] <jimpop> Jordan_U, what is $LANG on that system?
[01:20] <blaz2> yofel: I just checked that 3d accel works when I run as root. Some permission issue??
[01:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: en_US.UTF-8
[01:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'm using typescript btw, that's why you see some control characters
[01:20] <yofel> poutine: for future reference: you can find the package a file belongs to with either 'dpkg -S filename' or 'apt-file find filename' (the first only checks packages you have installed, the latter searches the whole database and lists all packages that ship the file)
[01:20] <jimpop> Jordan_U, ok, i saw some weird chars in the buildlog
[01:22] <jimpop> Jordan_U, googl'ing for xf86mm.h shows some issues everywhere ;-)
[01:22] <yofel> blaz2: what are your permissions for /dev/dri/card0? 'ls -l /dev/dri/card0'
[01:24] <blaz2> yofel: root video
[01:24] <blaz2> yofel: i added myself to video groups and problem solved:)
[01:25] <yofel> :)
[01:25] <ordinarydot> join #ubuntu-classroom
[01:26] <ordinarydot> ups
[01:28] <jimpop> Jordan_U, what pkg provided mm_interface.h ?
[01:30] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's part of the xserver-xorg-video-psb source package
[01:31] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's interesting... I can't locate that file on my system (which has the Juanty ver of that pkg)
[01:31] <jimpop> Jordan_U, give me a few secs to d/l the PPA ver of that pkg and to investigate
[01:32] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's in the source package, apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-psb
[01:32] <jimpop> Jordan_U, ahh, ok. ty
[01:32] <Jordan_U> jimpop: np
[01:33] <gaelfx> I downloaded the UNR image via torrent and the md5sum was horribly wrong, so I downloaded directly from the site and the md5 was correct, but the liveUSB still fails to work at all, can someone give me advice about how to make it work properly, or at least tell me if this is a known problem/
[01:34] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Realize that at this point it's not likely we are going to solve the problem given that at least I am completely clueless when it comes to building xorg drivers
[01:34] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'll still try, but don't get your hopes up :)
[01:34] <StrangeCharm> manually trying to set up an encrypted lvm, grub is giving me an error at boot. what am i likely to be doing wrong?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: What error?
[01:34] <jimpop> Jordan_U, understood, and same here... BUT together we should both be able to do it.
[01:35] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: And did you run grub-install after setting up lvm ?
[01:36] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, no such disk, or words to that effect
[01:36] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, allow me to clarify: i'm using the server install disk, but a manual partitioning scheme
[01:37] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Is your /boot on lvm?
[01:38] <StrangeCharm> no, i have 100mb of /boot at the top of an unencrypted, non-lvm primary partition. / is on an encrypted lvm
[01:39] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Do you have another machine so you can enter commands in the grub shell while on IRC?
[01:40] <StrangeCharm> this is my other machine
[01:40] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: OK, can you boot your machine with the problem and run "ls -l" at the grub prompt?
[01:42] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, I could, but I've just booted up the install disk to try and do it correctly. I don't mind resetting my partitions: I'm not sure that my initial configuration was correct.
[01:43] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Ok, ping me if you have problems after re-installing
[01:44] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, that would be now. i am certain of what i did, and after the third time, i am certain that what i am doing is not working.
[01:45] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: OK, can you boot and run "ls -l" at the grub prompt?
[01:47] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, sure, stand by (warm booting is a slow process for this box)
[01:55] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, the bios seems to be getting stuck loading the disk, possible because i was part-way through the installer when i rebooted, i will seek further setup advice, and return
[02:00] <aprilhare> hey
[02:00] <aprilhare> nice to see nexuiz got updated :)
[02:07] <Bigshot_> i just installed 9.10 but it's not showing the "Proprietary Harware drivers"?? not detecting!
[02:07] <Bigshot_> it did detect on the Live DVD
[02:09] <aprilhare> i remember there were instructions as to how to update to grub2 but i can't find them
[02:09] <aprilhare> tossing up whether or not to do it
[02:09] <Jordan_U> aprilhare: sudo apt-get install grub2
[02:10] <aprilhare> Jordan_U: should I do it? :)
[02:10] <aprilhare> i suppose it'd go with upgrading to ext4
[02:11] <Bigshot_> does anyone know how can i "enable" ubuntu to detect my "Hardware Drivers"?
[02:12] <aprilhare> no idea about your problem sorry
[02:12] <aprilhare> sh -c 'test -e /var/cache/jockey/check || exec jockey-gtk --check 60'
[02:13] <aprilhare> that might help bigdog?
[02:13] <aprilhare> bigshot even
[02:13] <Bigshot_> ok aprildog
[02:14] <aprilhare> hukhukhuk
[02:14] <aprilhare> y
[02:14] <aprilhare> y'all
[02:14] <Bigshot_> doesn't work
[02:15] <aprilhare> that should have done something "Check for new hardware drivers" it was
[02:16] <stpere> ah the dreaded "doesn't work" answer that doesn't say anything
[02:16] <stpere> :)
[02:16] <Bigshot_> stpere: what do you want?
[02:16] <Bigshot_> i just installed RC
[02:16] <Bigshot_> on tx2z touch screen tablet
[02:16] <stpere> nothing
[02:17] <stpere> just recalling similar things from work
[02:17] <Bigshot_> it did detect Hardware on Live CD but not on harddisk install
[02:18] <aprilhare> report as bug
[02:18] <Bigshot_> oh c'mon there must be some way out of it
[02:18] <aprilhare> yes. of course. but i don't know it
[02:18] <Bigshot_> command to directly extrat the drivers from the cd
[02:18] <Bigshot_> extract**
[02:19] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: i don't know it all. unless paid to know it all, then I know it all.
[02:19] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Graphics card drivers?
[02:19] <aprilhare> :)
[02:19] <Bigshot_> yeah Jordan_U
[02:19] <Bigshot_> and broadcom driver
[02:20] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Did you try to enable the graphics drivers on the liveCD before installing?
[02:20] <Bigshot_> yeah
[02:20] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <aprilhare> system-administration-hardware drivers
[02:21] <aprilhare> what do you see when you go there Bigshot?
[02:21] <Bigshot_> Jordan_U: i dont' have one
[02:21] <Bigshot_> it's not created
[02:23] <aprilhare> maybe the repos aren't set up right
[02:23] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Can you file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk" ?
[02:23] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: check your repos
[02:24] <Bigshot_> nah too much trouble Jordan_U
[02:27] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: ubuntu only improves with bug reports. but anyhow: did you check your repos?
[02:27] <Bigshot_> internet not working
[02:27] <Bigshot_> no repos
[02:27] <aprilhare> hmmmmmmmm
[02:32] <jschall> how can i change which kwallet kopete uses?
[02:33] <traskbryant> How do I cleanup /var/cache? It's holding up about 3gb of space.
[02:35] <traskbryant> Solved: "apt-get clean"
[02:42] <Byron> If I want to separate '/' from '/home', how much space does '/' need?
[02:43] <test34> Byron, how big is your HD ?
[02:43] <Byron> 1TB
[02:43] <ransom> byron: remember that most of your apps are stored under /usr
[02:43] <ransom> byron: so leave enough room in / to store all your apps
[02:43] <DanaG> hmm, 30 gigs is a good amount.  20 is a bit of a minimum for me, since I install lots of stuff.
[02:44] <DanaG> Might as well go with 50, if you can afford it, perhaps.
[02:44] <Byron> From running "du -sm /* | sort -rn", I just saw that /usr is 3.5GB
[02:44] <ransom> byron: if you play games under wine or some linux native stuff (enemy territory, unreal) then you need a little extra space
[02:45] <test34> 15gb would be plenty for me Byron .. but since you have 1tb you might want to have a little more
[02:45] <nxnn14> Hi i have been running karmic for a while and update it daily. When I updated it today it asked me to restart and now the computer will not boot. The only way I can get it to boot is to go back to previous kernel 12, but there still seems to be problems. The error that i get for the 14 kernel says grep: not found as well.
[02:45] <DanaG> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:45] <DanaG> /dev/sda6              22G   13G  7.8G  63% /
[02:45] <Byron> I don't think I have Unreal or Enemy Territory installed. Not sure why it's up so high. How about I give it 20GB?
[02:45] <DanaG> that's my system with lots of stuff.
[02:45] <webbb82> is there anyway to get xorg.conf back so i can edit stuff
[02:45] <DanaG> Perhaps go 25.
[02:45] <DanaG> Or 22.
[02:46] <Byron> 25GB sounds good
[02:46] <webbb82> its seems like alot of fixes have xorg.conf involved
[02:46] <Byron> \/home is currently just under 500GB
[02:46] <Byron> Err, my '/home' is currently just under 500GB
[02:46] <test34> the more space you have the more space you use
[02:47] <Byron> Yeah, I've noticed. But it's hard to use it lately since the computer freezes.
[02:47] <nxnn14> Also, sometimes when I boot into the newest kernel instead of showing an error it simply hangs at the splash screen and it never moves past it
[02:47] <takamarou> Hi.  I recently (accidentaly) updated to karmic.  I have a second HD that I have routinely mounted with the command 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/data -t ntfs-3g'  After upgrading to karmic I now get the error Failed to write lock '/dev/sdb1' : Resource temporarily unavailable     and two other similar messages.  Any ideas?
[02:49] <webbb82> so before what i did was just make a xorg.conf file but after doing that and a reboot i couldnt login to my computer it would just dump me out into tty
[02:49] <Byron> Here's my plan of attack. I'm currently on a LiveCD of 7.10. I want to partition a 25GB portion and set that as '/', then keep the current partition, but remove everything with the exception of /home as I will just copy over the 'byron' folder as the 'root' folder to this current partition.
[02:49] <Byron> Will that work?
[02:50] <nxnn14> Anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot my problem of karmic not booting after my update today?
[02:51] <Docteh> and you're going to mount that as /home/byron?
[02:51] <Byron> Docteh: No, as just /byron
[02:51] <Docteh> ah, you'll have to edit your user account somehow to reflect the new home direcory
[02:52] <Byron> What if I just do a fresh install without formatting what will be the future partition of /home/byron?
[02:53] <Docteh> if you make a file system you can mount it there
[02:53] <Docteh> either inside the installer or editing /etc/fstab afterwards
[02:53] <Byron> right now, I just wish I had another 1TB drive to do all of this and then just move everything over.
[02:56] <Byron> I have 1 HDD that isn't being used because of a bad formatting which I thought was successfully backed up.
[02:56] <Byron> I'm saving up to get that data restored. Mostly pictures from my trips, but they are found nowhere else.
[02:57] <test34> Byron, that sounds like a #ubuntu problem
[02:57] <Byron> Which one?
[02:57] <test34> Byron, all your problems
[02:57] <Byron> Yeah, they are, but I'm trying to figure something out for Karmic
[02:59] <Byron> 6.06-7.04 were great on my desktop. I can't even load their LiveCD on my desktop. I can load 7.10, but USB xfer fails just as if I were on 9.04.
[02:59] <test34> byron, just backup everything and format everything
[02:59] <Byron> I'm just hoping that the new release will solve (at least) the constant freezing of my desktop. I can deal with the dropped network and failed USB xfers then.
[03:01] <Bigshot_> ok i blacklisted some b43 drivers and it is detecting broadcom drivers
[03:01] <Bigshot_> but from where will it install? from internet or cd?
[03:01] <SpacePigeon> what tells the system if a folder is the default documents folder or if it is not?
[03:03] <Byron> test34: I can't backup to anything. USB and Network just drop randomly.
[03:03] <aprilhare> what do i get if i install grub2? a splash screen?..
[03:03] <aprilhare> whats the inducement
[03:04] <test34> Byron, dvd burner?
[03:04] <Byron> Is there a way that I can determine if my hardware will be supported in Karmic?
[03:04] <Byron> test34: Not enough DVDs to make a backup of 500GB.
[03:05] <test34> Byron, get the live cd
[03:05] <IdleOne> Byron: make 250 Ubuntu One accounts :)
[03:05] <IdleOne> ermmm no don't do that
[03:05] <Byron> test34: LiveCD or not, USB fails and the network drops.
[03:06] <Byron> IdleOne: Not that I can. I have some files that are over 4GB in size
[03:06] <Byron> I have an account with adrive.com, but that's only 50GB
[03:06] <test34> Byron, ??? so what if you know your hardware is going to work, you still need to download it
[03:07] <test34> Byron, order a free dvd and wait 4-6 weeks if you can't d/l it anywhere else
[03:07] <Byron> test34: I'm in the process of getting the packages. I was on 523 out of 1318 last time.
[03:09] <SpacePigeon> Can somebody tell me how should I specify a Documents folder in my home? (I want it to recieve the default Home Documents icon)
[03:12] <DanaG> Byron: hmm, how was that data lost?
[03:13] <DanaG> If it's just partition-table breakage, testdisk can fix that.  If it's been mkfs.ext3'd over, then that's different. :(
[03:13] <jschall> flash sound isn't working in firefox, kubuntu rc amd64. how can i fix?
[03:13] <jschall> also flash isn't working reliably at all in konqueror
[03:14] <Byron> DanaG: I had data on a 500GB HDD which was shared with XP. I got this new 1TB for Kubuntu alone. I thought I had a successful backup as I saw files in the backup location. I put the old HDD to do a quick format of ext3 to NTFS. Didn't find out the backup files were all zero bytes.
[03:14] <DanaG> Hmm, quick-format NTFS shouldn't be too horribly destructive.
[03:14] <jschall> actually wait, flash sound isn't working at all now
[03:14] <jschall> it was before
[03:14] <DanaG> Try running TestDisk on the thing.
[03:14] <Byron> I've taken my drive to one location and they want $1200 USD to restore the data
[03:14] <DanaG> That is, you put ntfs over ext3?
[03:15] <Byron> Yes, NTFS over ext3
[03:15] <DanaG> The other way around would be the bad one.
[03:15] <DanaG> Ah, then try testdisk on it.
[03:15] <DanaG> !info testdisk
[03:15] <DanaG> Run it from a place where you want to copy files to.
[03:17] <Byron> I think I'm going to buy two 1TB drives. One for the backup and the other for the storage of my video collection. I was using my desktop to keep my movie ISO's so I can load them remotely on my shuttle in my bedroom. My whole DVD collection at the touch of a button.
[03:17] <jimpop> Jordan_U_, still around?
[03:17] <jschall> anyone else with flash sound issues?
[03:17] <Jordan_U_> jimpop: no
[03:17] <Jordan_U_> jimpop: :)
[03:18] <Byron> DanaG: Originally, I had an ISO of the drive stored on my 1TB, but that didn't work when I tried to use foremost on it
[03:20] <DanaG> ah, testdisk works differently -- it tries to fix the filesystem, rather than the individual files.
[03:24] <Byron> DanaG: Thanks. I will try that tomorrow. Right now, I'm at 942 packages out of 1318. If i can get the last few packages downloaded and then upgrade to Karmic, I can see if maybe I'm just using old technology in my desktop.
[03:24] <DanaG> Well, I hope it goes well.
[03:25] <jschall> what's wrong with sound in flash?
[03:25] <Byron> Me too. For the past few releases, I hope they solve my issues. I'm guessing now it's just my old technology. If that's the case, I'll leave this desktop to my XP which I currently only use for my X-Plane flight simulator and Quicken for online banking.
[03:26] <jschall> woah, if i run pavucontrol, i can see that there is playback from flash, but it's not getting to the speakers apparently.
[03:26] <BullHorn> why does linux break so easily
[03:26] <BullHorn> ._.
[03:27] <jschall> hmm, my sound is completely screwed
[03:27] <BullHorn> same
[03:27] <BullHorn> sudo alsa force-reload makes it work again
[03:28] <BullHorn> but i didnt do nothing in the first place to break it
[03:29] <jschall> same
[03:29] <BullHorn> its good that we agree on this :<
[03:29] <BullHorn> this has to be some sort of bug,do you have the time to file it?
[03:29] <jschall> someone else already filed it i think
[03:30] <jschall> i found it a second ago
[03:30] <BullHorn> oh, really? umm
[03:30] <BullHorn> show it to me please
[03:32] <jschall> i can't find it...
[03:32] <jschall> it was specific to flash anyway
[03:33] <BullHorn> oh
[03:33] <BullHorn> this is definitely not specific to flash here
[03:33] <jschall> yeah mine isn't specific to flash any more
[03:33] <BullHorn> everything in lspci and aplay look okay but in the gnome gui for sound setting, it finds no soundcard untill i force-reload it each boot
[03:33] <jschall> i ran "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio" and then restarted and now all my sound is broken, so now i'm going to try removing pulseaudio
[03:36] <Barridus> i'm noticing an icon in the notify area (by where the wifi signal and battery meter) that looks like a padlock and mousing over it says something like "drop all elevated priviledges".  what does that mean and why did it go away?
[03:36] <Byron> It's an odd moment, to say the least, when you 'sudo reboot' and the computer freezes as you hit Enter.
[03:40] <jschall> ok, so my problem with flash was that my pcm volume somehow got turned down to 0 and amarok and other programs apparently ignore the pcm volume
[03:40] <jschall> but flash didn't
[03:40] <jschall> so my sound is working perfectly now
[03:40] <xiambax> ahem, incase yall didnt know. U2 is live on youtube in 20 mins. youtube.com/u2
[03:40] <xiambax> i know its off topic but its hella neat
[03:41] <DanaG> That "drop all privileges" thing bugs me too.... no matter which button you click it with, it does the same thing.
[03:41] <DanaG> Doesn't that violate all sorts of UI guidelines?
[03:41] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: When you enter your password for anything the authentication will be saved for 15 minutes by default so you don't have to enter it multiple times in a short period, that lock icon allows you to explicitly drop that saved authentication
[03:41] <DanaG> Still, it should do something different upon right-click!
[03:43] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, i figured, but good to know for sure since i've never seen that before in previous ubuntus.  thanks for the response
[03:43] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It's part of phasing out gksudo and replacing it with policykit
[03:44] <Barridus> oh really?  kind of a big change right?
[03:45] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It requires signifigant changes to applications, but it's happening app by app. So it depends on what you mean by a big change
[03:46] <Barridus> oh, so gksu and policykit will co-exist for a while then (possibly forever depending on a user's needs)
[03:46] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It's been progressing slowly for a while now https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/killall-gksudo
[03:47] <Barridus> always interesting to get inside perspective on where ubuntu's going
[03:47] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: Yes, but hopefully soon all of the applications Ubuntu comes with by default will be using policykit
[03:48] <Barridus> right, and gksu will only be needed for legacy/unsupported things
[03:48] <chu_> 620 updates :D Have the repos been frozen in preparation for the 29th?
[03:49] <Barridus> oh wait, Jordan_U_ , that was you that replied to my grub2 timeout post the other day, correct?
[03:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireshark/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&as
[03:50] <DanaG> gaack
[03:50] <DanaG> stupid long URL.
[03:50] <DanaG> Lots of "can't find interfaces if not run as root" there.
[03:50] <DanaG> And they say "okay, then run it as root".
[03:50] <DanaG> And now... they've removed the "run as root"!
[03:50] <ken> hi all, just a little confused over the ext 4 and grub2 upgrade . I have an ext3 system on sda and was going to upgrade sdb to ext4 with 9.10. If I clean install will this install grub2 and boot my sda drive.
[03:52] <Barridus> yes, it should.  however it's been said that you won't gain all the performance gains of ext4 if upgraded instead of wiped/clean installed (i can't confirm, i just read that somewere)
[03:52] <Jordan_U_> ken: If you do a clean install to sdb grub2 will be installed and have menu entries for sda, yes
[03:53] <Jordan_U_> ken: And ( though it's hidden under a small "advanced" button ) there is an option during install for which drive's mbr grub should install to
[03:54] <Byron> how do I get the netbook version of Karmic?
[03:54] <Byron> I'm going to do the netbook upgrade to this netbook while awaiting for the desktop to get all of the packages.
[03:55] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, i tried your grub2 tip you posted in response to my timeout/default issue and nothing changed at all ("echo "set timeout=${GRUB_TIMEOUT}"" etc)  any ideas?
[03:55] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[03:57] <Barridus> sure, sec
[03:57] <mersault> holy crap, I finally got my HVM guest converted to PV successfully!
[03:57] <Barridus> !paste
[03:57] <ken> Is it recemended to do a clean install this time vs an upgrade. I took it that if I do an upgrade then ext4 and grub2 will not be used. Is this correct.
[03:57] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: You might want to figure out why /etc/init.d/grub-common isn't recording success ( or rather removing failure ) to boot
[03:58] <Jordan_U_> ken: If you upgrade you will not automatically be upgraded to ext4 and grub2, but you can do both yourself without reinstalling
[03:59] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/301740/
[03:59] <Barridus> i think figuring that out is beyond my abilities atm
[03:59] <grodius> hey where might i find where to change the animated bootsplash
[04:00] <Barridus> i'm considering going back to grub-legacy for a while and revisit grub2
[04:00] <ken> thanks Jordan-u, I take it then a hard format  is not required to go to ext4. It is file system software upgrade.
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Barridus: You might want to figure out why /etc/init.d/grub-common isn't recording success ( or rather removing failure ) to boot
[04:04] <Barridus> Jordan_U, any idea where to start?  or should i just retreat to grub-legacy
[04:05] <jschall> xiambax: well its a good thing i got my flash sound working again
[04:05] <xiambax> this is hella cool
[04:05] <xiambax> but my system is laggin
[04:05] <xiambax> i dunno if its just me or all of youtube.
[04:06] <Lapinux> anyone else have a problem browsing a windows network via "places -->network" ?
[04:07] <ken> will grub-legacy boot an ext4 system
[04:08] <kruykaze> in nautilus i can't select a folder by typing the frist letters in it's name . is it working for you guys?
[04:09] <Barridus> Jordan_U, any idea where to start on figuring out the error/success retention?  or should i just retreat to grub-legacy
[04:09] <cowbud> ken: only if someone backported support and it doesn't look like it, but in karmic grub2 is standard. The way to get it to boot is to put your /boot dir on a separate ext2/3 partition from what I see
[04:09] <Barridus> or rather, why even after clearing the error another one is generated next time?  (i think *that* is really what's going on)
[04:11] <ken> ok, so if grub2 is installed in the mbr of sda, which will be the ext3 system, then all is ok.
[04:12] <kruykaze> in nautilus i can't select a folder by typing the first letters in it's name . this started with karmic
[04:12] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: The idea is that every boot grub sets recordfail before loading the kernel, then during boot ( if the os boots sucessfully ) that recordfail is removed
[04:12] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: The upstart script that removes the recordfail flag is /etc/init.d/grub-common
[04:13] <billybigrigger> anyone here installed kubuntu-desktop yet in karmic?
[04:13] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: If your grubenv currently has recordfail in it try running "sudo invoke-rc.d grub-common start" and see if that removes it
[04:13] <billybigrigger> i installed kde beside gnome, used kdm as my login manager, and now when i log into gnome it uses kde's mouse theme
[04:15] <cowbud> ken: well if you are using grub2 you should be fine in general..
[04:15] <Tamagotono_> anyone know how to disable switching desktops with the mousewheel in Kubuntu?
[04:26] <Tamagotono_> do I know how to kill a conversation or what?...  :)
[04:26] <jschall> kwin compositing occasionally (not always) switches to "temporarily disabled" when i run diablo 2 with wine. When i exit diablo 2, they don't come back. If i try to manually start them, i get a solid white screen and nothing else. is there a solution to this?
[04:27] <nxnn14> Hi I was wondering if anyone knew how to go about fixing the error "/scripts/init-top/brltty: 19: grep: not found" when I boot up. If I got back a couple of kernels there is no issue. Further if I wait a long time an error comes up that says /dev/disk/by-uuid/(long id) does not exist. any ideas?
[04:28] <Tamagotono_> anyone here using kdevelop4?
[04:29] <darthanubis> anyone notice they are unable to browse the "windows network" in nautilus?
[04:34] <nxnn14> What is the difference between the kernel labeled 14 and the one labeled 12? Is there good reason to be able to boot in 12 but not 13 or 14?
[04:38] <darthanubis> nxnn14, really?
[04:39] <nxnn14> darthanubis: really what?
[04:41] <nxnn14> darthanubis: my karmic installation was working perfectly for a couple of weeks now. Today I ran an update and now it will not boot using the 14 or 13 kernel, but it will boot and work fairly normally with 12
[04:42] <darthanubis> you definately want the -14 kernel
[04:43] <nxnn14> darthanubis: i figured so, any suggestions on how to get it to work/why it wouldnt work after an update?
[04:44] <Tamagotono_> nxnn14: There are probably some needed packages that didnt get upgraded when you did the last update.  Give it a bit and try updating again, it will likely work properly in 14 again.
[04:46] <Byron> I can't seem to get past package 1293. Is there a way of seeing what it is?
[04:46] <nxnn14> tamagotono: interesting. thank you for the help hopefully it work again in 14, at least it works in 12 for now tho. The error that it ultimately gives has to do with grep not found and /dev/disk/by-uuid/(long id) does not exist...does that mean anything to anyone
[04:48] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Probably means something is wrong with your initramfs, try reinstalling 14 which will regenerate the initramfs
[04:49] <darthanubis> anyone notice they are unable to browse the "windows network" in nautilus?
[04:49] <nxnn14> jordan_U: thank you I appreciate the suggestion...is that something I can do in synaptic or is there a command for it
[04:49] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You should be able to do it in synaptic
[04:50] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok I tried removing and reinstalling it earlier and it doesnt seem to have made a difference although I could always try again
[04:51] <darthanubis> maybe we should be using smb4 instead?
[04:54] <jschall> my pcm mixer setting keeps getting reset to 0 on reboot.
[04:54] <Byron> I have 21 packages left. 1293 to 1318. Package 1293 has taken up 53% of the current download.
[04:55] <Byron> Are bigger packages held onto the end? Can I find out what package 1293 is and its actual time/size left for downloading?
[05:00] <darthanubis> jschall, I just fixed mine. use gnome-alsa to set your levels, then paste this in a terminal "sudo alsactl store" reboot
[05:01] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I tried reinstalling and also removing and then installing and it still doesnt boot into 14, thanks for helping though
[05:04] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Can you try booting once with -14 replacing the root=UUID=uuid-string with root=/dev/sdxx ( where xx is replaced to match your root partition ). If it boots successfully please file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux" and make it clear in your bug report description that the root= change was temporary
[05:05] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: That is, run "ubuntu-bug linux" while booted into -14 if possible
[05:05] <centaur5> With the terrible problems between the new xorg versions on Jaunty and Karmic and the radeon drivers does Ubuntu update new drivers every month or only every .04 and .10 release?
[05:05] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I am not great with this what is it exactly that you want me to do....sorry i am a noob
[05:07] <cellofellow> what happenned to the old gdmsetup, where I could specify things like the theme, the users that showed in the list, XDMCP, and all the goodies? Now all I can set is the auto login.
[05:07] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np. Do you know about linux device names like /dev/sda1 ?
[05:07] <Jordan_U> cellofellow: Complete rewrite of GDM
[05:07] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yes that is actually the name for my root partition
[05:07] <cellofellow> are all those options gone, or do I now have to muck around in a config file?
[05:09] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Good. When you get to the grub menu you can select an entry for a kernel and press 'e' to edit that entry, you want to specifically change what parameters are passed to the linux kernel.
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: o, cool ya I am there
[05:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Find where it says something like root=UUID=4321b754-1c79-4a3b-9f42-cd4075baaf12 and replace it with root=/dev/sda1
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: so edit the uuid to be /dev/sda1?
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: thank you
[05:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Remove the "UUID=" also
[05:12] <Byron> The downloads are finally done \o/
[05:12] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: wow, nice work so it boots now with your changes and seems to be working fairly normally, my fan is going crazy but the computer is working fine
[05:13] <Byron> But of course, the computer freezes now :(
[05:14] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Please run "ubuntu-bug linux" so that this bug can possibly be fixed ( it will also give you usefull information for troubleshooting )
[05:14] <Byron> How do I continue an interrupted upgrade?
[05:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: also boot time was much slower than usual...I didn't ltime it but you get the point
[05:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: in the process of doing that...what exactly is the bug I guess...like what should I title it and put in the summary?
[05:15] <cellofellow> oh, I see, there is no config utility at all in GDM anymore and the gdmsetup in Ubuntu is Ubuntu-specific. Well, lovely. I suppose the GNOME folks just assume no one actually configures their login screen or something?
[05:15] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Does the directory /dev/disk/by-uuid/ exist right now?
[05:16] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yup it does
[05:16] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Yes it does.
[05:17] <Byron> I seem to be locked out from accessing a GUI and the TTY is of little help. How can I continue to interrupted upgrade via TTY?
[05:18] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, if you run ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid does it show a UUID string pointing to /dev/sda1 ?
[05:18] <Byron> s/to/an
[05:18] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yes
[05:19] <Byron> wow. TTY freezes, too. :'(
[05:19] <virtuald> cellofellow: You'd run gnome-appearance-properties as the gdm user when you're logged out
[05:19] <virtuald> Heh
[05:20] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, then name your bug something like "initramfs fails to find root filesystem by UUID since 2.6.31-13-generic"
[05:20] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok, should it be 12 though, because 13 wouldn't boot either just 12
[05:21] <dm__> What is DesktopCouch?
[05:22] <traskbryant> I was wondering the same as dm__ :\
[05:22] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: for some reason it will not send the report and I run ubuntu-bug linux...the progress bar fills u mainly but then it sits and does nothing for a while
[05:22] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Make sure you mention that to work around it you changed root= to use /dev/sda1 instead of a UUID ( Otherwise they might be confused to see root=/dev/sda1 in the debug information sent by ubuntu-bug )
[05:23] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok I will include that
[05:23] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Launchpad is down for scheduled maintainance right now, try in an hour or so
[05:23] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: And please tell me the bug number so I can follow it
[05:24] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: o, good answer I was worried it was me perfect. Thank you for your help! you are a lifesaver! Definitely i will post it here once it is filed later tonight
[05:24] <traskbryant> dm__, "This is Desktop Couch, an infrastructure to place a CouchDB on every desktop
[05:24] <traskbryant> and provide APIs and management tools for applications to store data within
[05:24] <traskbryant> it and share that data between computers and to the cloud."
[05:24] <traskbryant> Sorry, didn't know that would past multiple lines >__<
[05:25] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np, would you like to make that change permanent untill the bug is fixed?
[05:25] <dm__> ah cloud stuff
[05:25] <traskbryant> dm__, yeah. It sounded cool when I saw it update :P
[05:25] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: would there be any reason not to? in other words does it harm anything, bc i may as well be using 14 if there is not difference in the way that it loads
[05:26] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: No reason not to temporarily, it's just that device names can change during major upgrades or if you add a new drive / change drive order. UUIDs never change.
[05:27] <dm__> Anyone else having issues with hibernate and suspend still? 3 days to launch and its still crashing
[05:27] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: So you should go back to UUIDs when the bug is fixed ( and check every once in a while to see if it has been fixed by booting by UUID )
[05:27] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: gotcha ya if you could walk me through making it permanent that would be great. I should be able to change it back to uuid if that gets working at some point
[05:28] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub" uncomment "GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true" save and run "sudo update-grub"
[05:29] <nxnn14> Jordan_U:hmmmm that file appears to be empty actually
[05:30] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Did you upgrade from jaunty or was this a fresh install of Karmic?
[05:30] <nxnn14> upgraded from jaunty
[05:31] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, then you aren't using grub2
[05:31] <heshan> I cannot still see my video drivers is correctly loaded ny 9.10, I did was, upgrade from 9.04, how can I fix video issue on my nx-7300 laptop?
[05:31] <nxnn14> Jordan_U:  should I/ how do I change that?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: I think there is a way to disable UUIDs in grub legacy but I can't remember how
[05:33] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You can upgrade to grub2 but you don't need to
[05:33] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: is it worthwhile?
[05:33] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: I think so
[05:34] <virtuald> Grub2 is slower
[05:34] <darthanubis> 4 ubuntu 9.10 machines can't browse the samba network but a virtual XP and a Windows7 can. The none of the Windows boxes are sharing. All shares are via the ubuntu boxes.
[05:34] <nxnn14> jordan_U: is that done through synaptic or how do I upgrade?
[05:34] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[05:34] <darthanubis> findsnb sees the shares and they can be connected via ip address. But no browsing via Dolphin or Nautilus
[05:35] <darthanubis> I wonder if it is my router? But why would my router cause an issue with the linuxes boxes only?
[05:36] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: You can upgrade by installing the package "grub2"
[05:36] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: simple as that? sounds good to me
[05:37] <darthanubis> gvfs?
[05:38] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: One difference that's actually an Ubuntu thing and not a change in grub2 per se, with karmic grub is set to not show any menu by default unless you dual boot, so if you want to see the menu you need to hold down shift during boot
[05:38] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok thank you I appreciate the heads up
[05:39] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np
[05:50] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: sorry to keep bothering but I install grub2 and now when I boot it says error 15 when grub is loadinf
[05:51] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[05:56] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and make sure the correct drive is selected to install grub to the MBR of
[05:56] <Byron> I'm trying to upgrade to karmic, but these 2 packages are causing an issue of error code (1): libgnomevfs2-common_1%3a2.24.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb libgnome2-common_2.28.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[05:57] <nxnn14> jordan_U_: how do I get a command prompt to run that in?
[05:57]  * Jordan_U_ should have realized that
[05:57] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Do you have a LiveCD?
[05:58] <nxnn14> I have a usb drive that has grml on it from testing something earlier would that work?
[05:58] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Yes
[05:58] <Shtl>  i want to download the ubuntu Karmic repositories only with deb mirror, how can i do this please????
[05:58] <Shtl> only Karmic
[05:59] <hadean> Can someone tell me why i cant make a window taller than 1 monitor?
[06:00] <hadean> since the karmic update *
[06:00] <hadean> worked with jaunty
[06:01] <hadean> twinview powered by the last nv driver
[06:01]  * xiambax updates nightly
[06:01] <nxnn14> Jordan_U_: what command do I use within grml
[06:03] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo chroot /mnt dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc"
[06:03] <DanaG> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, why can't polkit remember stuff?
[06:03] <alyssum> I am planning to install Karmic on a dedicated partition, I already have Jaunty running on another with Grub Legacy.  I want to know if I should upgrade to Grub2 in Jaunty first before installing Karmic, or let Karmic do everything.  It's quite important that I do not corrupt my MBR because I don't have a CD rom to boot up from (I do installs directly from the HD).  Any advice?
[06:03] <DanaG> I don't want to have to enter my password every durn time I change governors with cpufreq-applet!
[06:04] <Jordan_U> alyssum: You don't need to upgrade to grub2 on jaunty first
[06:06] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: it says unknown filesystem type 'ext 4'
[06:07] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Shoot, that version of grml doesn't support ext4 yet I guess
[06:07] <xiambax> wiiiiith or without you!
[06:08] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I hate to keep asking questions but what else is easy to load onto a usb to boot live from or what other options to I have. I dont have an optical drive in this computer
[06:08] <alyssum> jordan_U: ok, does it matter if I have ext4?  i heard grub and ext4 have some problems?  because jaunty is on ext4, my home partition is ext3, and my karmic partition will be ext4 too.
[06:09] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Don't apologize, I'm the one that got you into this mess :)
[06:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Grub shouldn't have any problems with ext4 as long as you use a recent version ( doesn't need to be grub2, jaunty and karmic's grub legacy support ext4 )
[06:11] <Jordan_U> alyssum: Floppy drive?
[06:11] <alyssum> Jordan_U: i assume that msg was for me.  thanks.  well, then i'm going to jump straight in with Karmic...wish me luck!
[06:11] <alyssum> Jordan_U: no...if this goes bad...my only option will be doing a PXE boot
[06:12] <xiambax> Karmic is nice. trust me
[06:12] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Do you have a floppy drive?
[06:13] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: no, unfortunately not
[06:13] <xiambax> could you not boot from usb?
[06:14] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You can put the karmic liveCD onto a usb drive with unetbootin
[06:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok ill try that
[06:15] <xiambax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/usb-creator
[06:15] <alyssum> xiambax: i think nxnn14 has usb boot...but i don't.
[06:15] <xiambax> you installin on a netbook or somethin?
[06:17] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[06:17] <alyssum> xiambax: no, just an old laptop.  that's barely limping along.
[06:18] <xiambax> dead whale down a beach
[06:18] <xiambax> i get it :D
[06:18] <xiambax> mac or pc?
[06:18] <xiambax> if its a mac you could target disk it
[06:19] <xiambax> what type of laptop is it
[06:19] <xiambax> maybe you can change the bios to allow boot from usb
[06:19] <alyssum> xiambax: no, it's pc (toshiba).  technically i can boot from SD disk but no driver support in linux.  i wonder if i can recover grub with it though?
[06:20] <xiambax> you should be able to boot to SD disk for the duration of the install
[06:20] <alyssum> xiambax: i did try to look for a bios firmware update before but don't think it's supports usb booting
[06:20] <xiambax> just make sure you write to internal hd
[06:20] <alyssum> xiambax: yeah, i'll keep that in mind.
[06:20] <xiambax> i like macs
[06:20] <xiambax> you can put them into target disk mode
[06:20] <xiambax> and connect one mac via firmware cable
[06:21] <xiambax> and be able to access the disk drive and hard drive from it over firewire
[06:21] <xiambax> its pretty neat
[06:21] <Jordan_U> alyssum: You should be able to install GRUB2 to the SD card
[06:21] <almoxarife> need help with volume applet , sound is configured for alsa as default, volume applet no worky
[06:21] <alyssum> xiambax: cool.  ok, i'm off to try this.  Jordan_U: thx
[06:23] <almoxarife> no takers
[06:23] <almoxarife> not good
[06:23] <xiambax> and this little piggie went wee wee wee all the way home
[06:23] <xiambax> jk
[06:23] <xiambax> remove the applet and re add it
[06:24] <xiambax> if that doesnt resolve the issue lemme know
[06:24] <almoxarife> done it, no worky
[06:24] <xiambax> also check to see if your speakers are on and eliminate all obvious things
[06:24] <almoxarife> speakers work fine
[06:24] <Jordan_U> alyssum: Actually, grub would load fine, but I'm not sure how you would install it to the card without linux drivers
[06:24] <xiambax> run alsa mixer?
[06:24] <almoxarife> alsa mixer works fine
[06:25] <almoxarife> I can control the volume fine, just not thru volume applet
[06:25] <xiambax> have you updated lately?
[06:25] <almoxarife> yeap, updated
[06:25] <xiambax> reboot after update?
[06:26] <almoxarife> multiple reboots
[06:26] <almoxarife> :)
[06:26] <xiambax> does it lock up or just not work?
[06:26] <almoxarife> problem only exists in karmic
[06:27] <almoxarife> just not work
[06:28] <xiambax> im reading
[06:28] <xiambax> some people say they reinstall pulseaudio and it resolves it
[06:28] <xiambax> do i dunno
[06:28] <xiambax> s/so
[06:28] <xiambax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/401294
[06:28] <xiambax> thats a duplication thing
[06:28] <xiambax> but it addresses some other things
[06:29] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Still there?
[06:29] <nxnn14> jordan_u:ya
[06:29] <nxnn14> but not for much longer
[06:30] <almoxarife> pulse is not uninstalled
[06:30] <almoxarife> pulse is not started
[06:30] <localnnuser__> hello guys, could someone help me and paste a default smb.conf?
[06:30] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, if you need more help I'll be here tomorrow, and #grub is very helpfull ( but they only support GRUB2 )
[06:32] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: thank you very much for all of your help I will update you tomorrow with my progress on getting everything working
[06:32] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np
[06:33] <almoxarife> sending file localnnuser__
[06:33] <xiambax> its a long shot but maybe try deleting a sound related file from .gconf/desktop/gnome/
[06:33] <xiambax> test with another user to see if its user specific maybe
[06:33] <xiambax> if it is
[06:34] <xiambax> then you know for sure pulling a config file will resolve it
[06:37] <julien> any easy way to enable xdmc ?
[06:37] <julien> ubuntu thinking of putting  pciehp as a module ?
[06:37] <vox> this isnt meant to start a flame-war or anything, but does flash actually work/is stable in karmic?
[06:37] <julien> i have a laptop i always have to recomplite for my pcexpress cards
[06:37] <julien> recompile*
[06:38] <lucent> julien: why?
[06:38] <almoxarife> flash works fine on my toshiba laptop
[06:38] <julien> pciehp == pciE hotplug
[06:38] <xiambax> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html
[06:38] <julien> it needs a parameter to detect new card in hotswap
[06:38] <lucent> julien: I reported a similar bug in launchpad
[06:38] <julien> well it s not really a bug, but a feature
[06:39] <lucent> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/371434
[06:40] <julien> and why ubuntu disables xdcmp that s a greatest feauture of X11 ..compared to windows
[06:40] <julien> i use unix since 1995
[06:40] <julien> X11 i mean
[06:41] <julien> they are making it too much windows like
[06:41] <julien> too many restrictions
[06:42] <lucent> julien: please comment on the bug if you can
[06:42] <lucent> ok?
[06:42] <julien> ok
[06:42] <almoxarife> anyone else tried the Option 		"AccelMethod" 		"uxa" , did you notice any diff?
[06:42] <lucent> almoxarife: it's on by default now, no need to specify it - I think?
[06:42] <lucent> only for Intel
[06:42] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: UXA is all there is in karmic
[06:43] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: EXA was killed upstream
[06:43] <almoxarife> ok, been using it since jaunty
[06:43] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. anybody know how to connect to a Win2003 server over RDP + SSL ? I can connect to non-ssl RDP machines just fine.
[06:44] <lucent> SandGorgon: good question to ask rdp implementation authors
[06:44] <lucent> not here...  I don't think you would find an answer as quickly
[06:45] <SandGorgon> lucent, sigh... i'm badly stuck bcos of this.
[06:45] <almoxarife> http://thelazyadmin.com/blogs/thelazyadmin/archive/2007/01/26/Configure-RDP-over-SSL-with-SelfSSL.aspx ????
[06:47] <SandGorgon> almoxarife, yup that is a WinXP based tutorial
[06:47] <SandGorgon> i would like to stay on linux
[06:48] <lucent> julien: I am interested to find the cause of the pcie hotplug inconsistencies
[06:48] <almoxarife> SandGorgon: I will admit it, I have no idea what you are trying to do, and I pulled a google search, good luck
[06:48] <lucent> julien: how interested are you?
[06:49] <julien> well it s not a bug, it s a feature that has to be put by ubuntu as a default
[06:49] <julien> its the same problem for all laptops
[06:49] <cowbud> almoxarife: it almost looks like yuo can compile rdesktop with ssl support..
[06:49] <lucent> julien: it's not right what you are saying
[06:50] <julien> its like shipping a linux without pcmcia back a days !
[06:50] <lucent> julien: the hotplug support is determined by a check against the ACPI tables
[06:50] <lucent> julien: our laptop computers have bad ACPI data
[06:50] <lucent> so what can we do?
[06:50] <julien> mm ok
[06:50] <julien> pullout the guns
[06:51] <almoxarife> cowbud: SandGorgon is the one with the rdp issues, I would need to know what rdp over ssl was and did, then I might find a use for it
[06:51] <julien> well enable the option for now,
[06:51] <lucent> I think more about a test to see if you need the option or not
[06:51] <julien> i have no time to progm i wok alot ...
[06:51] <lucent> and put that into some page with a list of affected models
[06:51] <cowbud> alankila: ah whoops sorry
[06:51] <julien> well if its on and you dont need it, it wont hurt
[06:52] <lucent> actually it will cause data loss in a bad case
[06:52] <SandGorgon> cowbud, what is needed is RDP 5.2 protocol (which uses SSL). dunno if any client on linux supports it.
[06:52] <julien> so its a quick fix for now
[06:52] <cowbud> SandGorgon: yeah it doesn't look like it..
[06:53] <julien> what bothers me most its xdcmp disabled
[06:53] <julien> it s a shame
[06:53] <cowbud> SandGorgon: wine?
[06:53] <almoxarife> xp in a virtualbox on karmic?
[06:55] <oldude67> well i figured out what was wrong with the 2.5 gig celeron computer, the motherboard is dieing...thats why it was booting so slow.
[06:55] <alyssum> Jordan_U, xiambax: well, i made it. karmic kubuntu installed with grub2.  funny thing, it said that it detected jaunty, but it's not in the grub2 menu.
[06:56] <julien> i am stking karmic on my router
[06:56] <almoxarife> kubuntu worth the install?
[06:56] <julien> no
[06:56] <julien> kde is ugly
[06:56] <julien> (my taste)
[06:56] <almoxarife> not sexy?
[06:56] <julien> no
[06:56] <almoxarife> ic
[06:57] <oldude67> julien, i run kde and i like it.
[06:57] <julien> to much shiny stuff that crash
[06:57] <SandGorgon> cowbud, most prolly use wine .. along with maybe a terminal services client
[06:57] <almoxarife> but its shinny
[06:57] <julien> yes u can shine up gnome too
[06:57] <alyssum> almaoxarife: this is my first time trying kubuntu.  i'm a gnome fan.  it's got a lot of eye candy but also a different philosophy on ui: more is better.
[06:57] <julien> just put a theme
[06:58] <cowbud> SandGorgon: yeah that seems like the best option unfortunately
[06:58] <julien> its more for no technical ppl
[06:58] <julien> like a windows
[06:58] <cowbud> SandGorgon: it looks like even rdp5.1 isn't fully supported yet :(
[06:58] <julien> lieka vista lol
[06:58] <julien> try gnome with compiz and emerald
[06:59] <julien> cute and simple
[06:59] <julien> besides, kde is QT
[06:59] <julien> and the real QT is not even GPL!
[06:59] <SandGorgon> cowbud, true.. sigh. this now is my second gripe with enterprise support in linux (along with VB macros in OO)
[06:59] <almoxarife> emerald?
[07:00] <julien> yes windows decoration
[07:00] <almoxarife> too sexy for me, I might like it
[07:00] <julien> yes with its sranparent stuf... ;)
[07:00] <julien> trans*
[07:00] <cowbud> SandGorgon: I hear you, but then again I really don't think it is up to an enterprise edition to support all proprietary protocols. If the spec was available it would already be implemented
[07:01] <almoxarife> what really would like to do is have a working sound applet
[07:01] <julien> i hate pulse audio for that
[07:01] <julien> pure alsa is just fine !
[07:01] <julien> pulse is a copy of ESD if u remember
[07:01] <almoxarife> sure, pure alsa with no sound applet
[07:01] <julien> pure trash
[07:02] <julien> you can have it :)
[07:02] <julien> that how it was before
[07:02]  * lucent gets ready to silence the doomsayer
[07:02] <heshan> how can add support graphic drivers on my HP nx-7300
[07:02] <heshan> ?
[07:02] <heshan> I cannot see its working once I upgrade from 9.4
[07:03] <julien> lspci and see the card
[07:03] <heshan> 9.04
[07:03] <lucent> julien: I regret to inform you that you have been misinformed, and/or too lazy to check your facts. It's annoying to hear you repeat things which are untrue
[07:03] <julien> yeah yeah ...i just misunformed since the 90's thnx
[07:03] <julien> i use linux since .9
[07:03] <lucent> 1) QT is in fact fully GPL or LGPL, I forgot which one, and is dually licensed so you may pay a fee to use it commercially in a proprietary product
[07:04] <julien> no the full version of QT you have to pay to use
[07:04] <julien> even just for u
[07:05] <cowbud> you guys should battle this out in priv chat ;)
[07:05] <lucent> well it's not a battle
[07:05] <julien> no ppl need to know
[07:05] <cowbud> no they don't
[07:06] <julien> oh so ppl dont need to know,? where the hell are from ?
[07:06] <julien> microsoft?
[07:06] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[07:06] <lucent> bullgard4: many screens output...  but maybe you only have one connected?
[07:06] <cowbud> bullgard4: multiple monitors
[07:08] <bullgard4> lucent, cowbud It is a laptop computer, and it has its own display screen only. So what information does this message  convey?
[07:09] <cowbud> bullgard4: you also have a vga/dvi out right?
[07:09] <julien> u must yes
[07:09] <julien> anyhow its not an error
[07:09] <julien> just info
[07:09] <lucent> bullgard4: TV-out is also a "screen output"
[07:10] <julien> yup
[07:10] <cowbud> it is simply stating that you have the possibility of multiple displays
[07:10] <lucent> bullgard4: some display chips are factory designed for multiple outputs but only one is wired
[07:10] <lucent> yeah
[07:10] <lucent> it's a chipset thing from the design
[07:11] <julien> i know its off topic, anyone got fc2 server on linux working?
[07:11] <julien> ill go on priv.
[07:11] <vigo> Is Ubuntu 9.10rc the test version now, or is it about finished?
[07:11] <lucent> haven't heard of another rc
[07:11] <om26er> fonts in google chrome becomes ugly after a dist-upgrade on RC any1 else facing this??
[07:12]  * om26er thinks its not related to google chrome
[07:12] <bullgard4> cowbud: Yes, my IBM Thinpad laptop computer has a VGA output jack.
[07:12] <om26er> fonts become too light (dim)
[07:12] <lucent> bullgard4: okay so one screen is LVDS (your LCD) and the other is VGA external
[07:13] <CountDeMonet> im having poor quality sound issues
[07:13] <almoxarife> another alsa user
[07:13] <bullgard4> cowbud, lucent Thank you for explaining.
[07:14] <vigo> Thank You.
[07:14] <lucent> CountDeMonet: first I suggest turning your mixer levels to half
[07:14] <lucent> over 80% most chipsets have distortion
[07:14] <julien> almoxarife> pulse is on top of alsa anyway :)
[07:14] <CountDeMonet> lucent: if you mean volume levels they're at about 40
[07:14] <julien> pulse wont work without drivers (alsa)
[07:15] <almoxarife> pulse is not running on this machine
[07:15] <julien> weird ? wht distro/ver is that?
[07:15] <almoxarife> karmic
[07:15] <julien> pulse is installed with gnome :)
[07:15] <julien> show me how to remove it cleanly
[07:16] <almoxarife> until you strip it
[07:16] <almoxarife> I can show you how I did it in jaunty, the upgrade to karmic did not break it
[07:16] <CountDeMonet> lucent: im going to copy the file to the computer, it might just be a stream issue
[07:17] <lucent> CountDeMonet: there's short sounds in /usr/share/sounds
[07:17] <lucent> I think
[07:17] <julien> well just knowing its possible suffice me thnx for the thaught
[07:18] <CountDeMonet> lucent: i need long sustrained notes. it feels like the sound quality comes in waves
[07:18] <julien> cool my karmic is up on my router
[07:18] <lucent> strange description :)
[07:18] <julien> 30 minutes :)
[07:18] <almoxarife> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/ubuntu-904-jaunty-keeping-the-beast-pulseaudio-at-bay/ <- not sure that the results would be the same in karmic
[07:18] <CountDeMonet> sustained*
[07:19] <julien> i hope ebox is not shot
[07:19] <lucent> CountDeMonet: with headphones also? I'm wondering, how do you diagnose that :P
[07:21] <CountDeMonet> lucent: watching star trek xi, the volume drops out and gets scratchy every other second. ive watched it on other computers, its a perfect copy
[07:21] <julien> anyone knows a msn client for linux other that amsn that supprts wabcam (other that kopete;) )
[07:21] <lucent> CountDeMonet: oh, that sounds familiar, like an ALSA dmix plugin issue
[07:22] <lucent> CountDeMonet: try directing audio to the hw:plug or something like this, I forgot the exact phrase
[07:22] <topyli> julien, you want an man client that supports a webcam, but you don't want to use any of those that do? :)
[07:22] <CountDeMonet> lucent: yeh, ill have to investigate it after i copy the file onto the laptop to see if it was a stream issue. im setting up the laptop for my grandma to use :)
[07:23] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: what player you using?
[07:23] <julien> lol yes, amsn doens support nautilus drag and drop
[07:23] <julien> kopete crashes alot
[07:23] <cowbud> bugs filed I presume?
[07:23] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: vlc
[07:23] <lucent> CountDeMonet: :)  and I note that grandmas really like facebook if you teach them that and get all their grandkids signed up
[07:23] <julien> no i dont do kde :)
[07:24] <julien> and for amsn its not a bug
[07:24] <julien> its TK not a gnome apps
[07:24] <CountDeMonet> lucent: ha! I had every over 30 yo in my family swear to never join fb
[07:24] <cowbud> julien: im pretty sure drag and drop is a freedesktop standard that anyone can implement
[07:24]  * lucent tires of julien's lies
[07:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I can boot from SD card..... but the Ubuntu initramfs does not have the drivers to actually complete the boot!
[07:25] <julien> lucent sucks :)
[07:25] <julien> bye
[07:26] <Jordan_U> DanaG: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[07:26] <almoxarife> I can't kill my facebook account because I can't remember my password, facebook is evil
[07:26] <DanaG> Doesn
[07:26] <DanaG> Doesn't help for the livecd.
[07:26] <lucent> DanaG: heh... I heard an Ubuntu dev on a ticket say that SD card booting is impossible so why acknowledge it
[07:26] <lucent> was kind of wondering about that - what hardware will actually boot an SD card without an USB reader inbetween?
[07:27] <Jordan_U> lucent: I've done it with a friends laptop
[07:27] <DanaG> Some laptops have bootable SDHC controllers.
[07:27] <DanaG> Also, my SDHC controller defaults to having DMA off.  Ouch.
[07:27] <DanaG> I had to force it on to get it not-painful.
[07:27] <om26er> is nvidia vanta driver removed in later kernels
[07:28] <om26er> i tried ubuntu7.10 and its driver worked fine
[07:28] <om26er> but in karmic the refreshrate is dead sloww
[07:28] <almoxarife> is wireless n able to talk to a n router on karmic?
[07:28] <om26er> lucent: acer aspire one
[07:29] <lucent> om26er: no kidding, good info
[07:29] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: Depends on the card, if the driver supports n then yes
[07:29] <om26er> lucent: you have to add modules to initrd for that
[07:29] <almoxarife> card?
[07:29] <CountDeMonet> is there anyway to have karmic automatically reconnect to a wireless network after hibernate?
[07:29] <om26er> mmc_core mmc_block sdhci sdhci-pci
[07:29]  * Jordan_U still has the urge to call it "draft n"
[07:29] <DanaG> Mine needs one more module:
[07:29] <DanaG> ricoh_mmc
[07:30] <DanaG> It's a driver with the sole purpose of DISABLING one part of the chip... so you can use the more-standard other part.
[07:30] <CountDeMonet> for some reason i have to remove the card, and pop it back in, and then manually try to connect to a network in order for the wifi to connect
[07:30] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: is it a usb wireless?
[07:30] <om26er> DanaG: why don't they add those in kernel??
[07:30] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: its a laptop card
[07:30] <DanaG> I don't need it in-kernel; I just need it in initramfs.
[07:30] <om26er> DanaG: ya that
[07:30] <Jordan_U> CountDeMonet: System > Preferences > Network Connections, set the network to connect automatically
[07:31] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I made my wireless usb work after I did the ????? can't remember the utility
[07:31] <om26er> DanaG: people have wrote many tutorials for this and now they should be added
[07:31] <lucent> I wish there were machine profiles to deal with quirks like that
[07:31] <lucent> so a user can have a text file (their machine profile) and load it up, and it will configure modules for their machine
[07:32] <almoxarife> or set to auto :)., I assumed
[07:32] <om26er> in new kernels do they remove some of the old drivers???
[07:33] <lucent> very old drivers, yes
[07:33] <lucent> like 1990's
[07:34] <om26er> lucent: i had a test machine i installed 7.10 and it was good with its video card but when i installed karmic it had dead refreshrate
[07:34] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: there's an "auto 'SSID'" in there but no option to auto connect. it just seems like it doesnt turn the wireless card back on after it resumes
[07:34] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I think your problem is that the card does not awake from the hibernation
[07:34] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: bingo, thats what i was thinking
[07:34] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: exactly
[07:34] <almoxarife> what is the utility to load inf files?
[07:34]  * CountDeMonet shudders as he just realized he just said "bingo"
[07:35] <lucent> om26er: that might be a bug with your monitor
[07:35] <lucent> om26er: try different monitors
[07:36] <om26er> lucent: i have a dell lcd and its quite new 2008 and the vanta can be causing problems due to this??
[07:36] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: my usb wifi and card wifi both had same issue
[07:36] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: how did you fix it?
[07:36] <lucent> om26er: try a different monitor, maybe a CRT screen if you can find one
[07:37] <virtuald> fsck's progress info flickers in usplash
[07:37] <om26er> lucent: ok thanx i am really gonna try ti
[07:37] <lucent> om26er: I had a similar issue with a dell computer and dell LCD
[07:38] <lucent> om26er: there was a workaround fix but I don't remember it, you need to find out if a real CRT monitor works with that
[07:38] <lucent> if it does then you can decide to find a workaround
[07:38] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I don't remember the name of the utility, but its used ti load the xxxx.inf for the specific card/ubs driver from your windows system, assuming you have one
[07:38] <om26er> lucent: but also the point again comes 7.10 worked fine
[07:39] <almoxarife> driver .inf file loader?
[07:40] <om26er> lucent: fyi that system is 600mhz 512mb 16nvidia vanta. i should have told you this before
[07:40] <almoxarife> www.linuxquestions.org/​linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_​Guide · Cached page <-- that's it CountDeMonet
[07:41] <DanaG> hmm, what's the functional difference between pciehp and acpiphp?
[07:41] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: going to take a look now
[07:42] <om26er> who here is using a very slow computer and still karmic is working fine. plz give specifications
[07:42] <CountDeMonet> om26er: define slow
[07:42] <om26er> processor ram and video ??
[07:43]  * ror still can't get gstreamer/ffmpeg to work in karmic :(
[07:43] <om26er> minimal requirements of karmic or even lesser
[07:43] <CountDeMonet> om26er: you defined what you meant by specifications, not by slow
[07:44] <CountDeMonet> im on a p4 M 2ghz with 512mb ram
[07:44] <BonezAU> Hi, has sound recently stopped working for anyone? I have completely lost all audio even though the volume is right up high?
[07:44] <ror> I'm on similar and karmic runs well for me; runs better than jaunty did
[07:44] <lucent> BonezAU: "mute" randomly toggled on for me
[07:44] <ror> BonezAU, run alsamixer and check *all* sliders are up high
[07:44] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: im going to suspend the system and see if the card is loaded
[07:44] <om26er> BonezAU: i lost my mic after i changed mic volume
[07:44] <ror> sometimes master will be high but PCM won't be or similar
[07:45] <lucent> inverted "mute" behavior, also the volume for Totem misbehaves constantly
[07:45] <BonezAU> om26er, that fixed it for me, thanks heaps
[07:45] <BonezAU> om26er, i was using skype earlier and since i changed the output from "Analog Output" to "Analog Headphones" I stopped getting audio. Makes sense really :)
[07:46] <om26er> BonezAU: i am using built-in mic
[07:47] <om26er> sound recorder records but empathy don't send my voice. and sound preferences don't show any sound wasves
[07:48] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: so yeh its the card not being started
[07:48] <almoxarife> btw, use the gui version of the utility, much easier CountDeMonet
[07:50] <DanaG> handy tool: gamix
[07:50] <DanaG> !info gamix
[07:51] <om26er> is there any official lucid lynx forum??
[07:54] <almoxarife> gnome-alsamixer 0.9.7 is cleaner than gamix
[07:57] <om26er> discussion forum for lucid lynx'???
[07:57] <almoxarife> !info gnome-alsamixer 0.9.7
[07:58] <almoxarife> !info gnome-alsamixer
[07:58] <om26er> after 20091028 this channel ubuntu+1 will become channel for Lucid Lynx  ??????
[07:59] <psychuil> Hi guys, can anyone help me out abit?
[07:59] <om26er> psychuil: go on
[07:59] <almoxarife> sure, lots of helpers
[08:01] <psychuil> Cant' seem to install MonoDevelop.
[08:01] <psychuil> No idea why.
[08:02] <psychuil> I click a link which links me to 'apt:monodevelop' but i get an error saying 'could not find package modevelop.something'
[08:03] <almoxarife> !info MonoDevelop
[08:04] <psychuil> Trying to get it from here: http://monodevelop.com/Download
[08:05] <almoxarife> http://packages.debian.org/testing/monodevelop <tried there?
[08:07] <psychuil> Oh, this isn't a general ubuntu support chan?
[08:07] <om26er> psychuil: i can install it using apt:monodevelop
[08:07] <om26er> change you souce server
[08:07] <dupondje> somebody knows whe 'Fast Search' is not availible here in my Synaptic ? :s
[08:08] <om26er> dupondje: you have to wait before it indexes
[08:08] <psychuil> Blah, i'll go back to windows for now, i'm too green for this :\
[08:08] <mvo> dupondje: if its not shown at all you may check if you have apt-xapian-index installed
[08:08] <psychuil> And need to write this asap
[08:09] <om26er> psychuil: sure
[08:09] <dupondje> wasn't installed :p
[08:09] <dupondje> thx
[08:10] <dupondje> cleaning up my system, working since 6.10 or so :p
[08:11] <om26er> dupondje: you never made a clean install since 6.10.
[08:11] <mvo> dupondje: you can also check if ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop are installed and run apt-get install --fix-policy to see what recommends are missing on your system
[08:13] <almoxarife> I like my ubuntu broke, gives me a sense order to the universe
[08:14] <almoxarife> btw, wouldn't re-installing ubuntu-desktop reload everything that one tried to cleanse out of the ole ubuntu?
[08:14] <almoxarife> like ekiga?
[08:15] <almoxarife> who uses ekiga?
[08:15] <DanaG> NTFS-3G really is a pain... it gave the computer a "heart attack".
[08:15] <DanaG> That is.... it got the system so bogged down, that the hearbeat LED stopped beating for like 15 seconds.
[08:15] <mvo> almoxarife: depends, if its missing recommends that it has seen before it will not try to reinstall them, for hard depends it will
[08:16] <almoxarife> better yet, anyone get packet8 8x8 voip fone working on ubuntu?
[08:16] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f2e8ec3c7
[08:16] <almoxarife> mvo: I didn't know that, thnks
[08:17] <coz_> almoxarife,   actually I personally have no idea about this one
[08:18] <dupondje> mvo: then I get brasero: Conflicteert met: nautilus-cd-burner maar 2.25.3-0ubuntu3 zal geïnstalleerd worden
[08:18] <almoxarife> dupondje: you want brasero if you are running karmic
[08:19] <DanaG> Hah, now I can say that "ntfs-3g sucks so badly, it gave my computer a heart attack."
[08:19] <dupondje> yea, but brasero is already installed
[08:19] <dupondje> :s
[08:19] <almoxarife> then you need to un-install nautilus-cd-burner?
[08:20] <dupondje> its not installed :p
[08:20] <almoxarife> some part of it is
[08:21] <almoxarife> I can't make sense of the dutch
[08:21] <dupondje> brasero: conflicts with: nau-cd-burner but 2.25.3 will be installed.
[08:21] <dupondje> :p
[08:23] <virtuald> DanaG: How do I get a heartbeat LED?
[08:23] <DanaG> One part is, you have to have some software-controllable LED.
[08:23] <DanaG> Check in /sys/class/leds/
[08:24] <virtuald> i don't have that
[08:24] <virtuald> can't it use the scroll lock led?
[08:25] <DanaG> I don't know on that one.
[08:25] <almoxarife> you could try the monitor? huge led aint it?
[08:27] <virtuald> why do x choose my second output as primary monitor?
[08:27] <virtuald> i use crt's
[08:28] <virtuald> they have one led each, but they can only be controlled through sleep states :)
[08:29] <DanaG> hmm, looks like it's not possible to use the keyboard LEDs as software controlled LEDs.
[08:29] <DanaG> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0707.0/1485.html
[08:29] <innomen> Hey guys, AWN manager starts, shows as running in the process list, and even lauches the configuration options on start up, running it via terminal shows no errors, yet there is no bar, in short it does everything but work
[08:30] <innomen> one post said something about reinstalling compiz, so i did, no effect, i'm installing the restricted video drivers now
[08:34] <DanaG> http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html\
[08:34] <DanaG> wow
[08:34] <DanaG> er
[08:34] <DanaG> http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html
[08:35] <DanaG> sorry, got an extra character in there the first time.
[08:47] <murlidhar> hi all ........how to use zsync ?
[08:47] <murlidhar> i am on a jaunty and willing to download karmic using zsync
[08:48] <murlidhar> i have the beta image with myself
[08:48] <om26er> download the RC simply
[08:48] <murlidhar> don't wanna download the whole thing and will want to minimize the bandwidth even if it is just by 1 mb
[08:49] <yofel> murlidhar: do you mean rsync?
[08:49] <murlidhar> nope zsync
[08:49] <murlidhar> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/
[08:49] <murlidhar> see it's zsync not rsync
[08:50] <CountDeMonet> sweet, sound problems fixed. wifi remains, but thats for tomorrow
[08:50] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[08:51] <murlidhar> om26er: how about this ? http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[08:51] <om26er> murlidhar: great
[08:51] <murlidhar> i would like to try zsync
[08:51] <murlidhar> but dont' know how to do that .......willng to learn it
[08:52] <yofel> murlidhar: read the manpage?
[08:53] <murlidhar> yofel: : ) sorry i almost forgot about it
[08:53] <murlidhar> thanks
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> another option is to
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> install the beta
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> and update
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> think that'll be even better on bandwith
[08:54] <Ian_Corne> as you'll have to update your RC iso anyways
[08:54] <murlidhar> hmmm but the bandwidth is not that stable to update online
[08:54] <jussi01> !final
[08:54] <murlidhar> jussi01: i know.....i haven't installed karmic yet
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> wait for the final release then
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> that'd be my advise
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> the RC still gets alot of updates
[08:55] <murlidhar> Ian_Corne: hmmm
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> 3 day
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> s
[08:56] <om26er> yesterday only 4 updates were available
[08:56] <om26er> today none came up
[08:56] <Ian_Corne> i've had like 20 this morning
[08:56] <murlidhar> hmm
[08:59] <om26er> crap
[08:59] <Xisdibik> Would installing Ubuntu 9.10 off a alternative install (and selecting the standard ubuntu desktop) be less harddrive hoggy than doing an install off a live CD boot?
[09:01] <filgy> Xisdibik: define harddrive hoggy
[09:02] <Xisdibik> filgy: Using more space than the other :)
[09:02] <Xisdibik> filgy: im wondering if the live CD install is the exact same as the alternatives install (if you select the standard ubuntu desktop)
[09:03] <filgy> Xisdibik: a normal install is a normal install regardless how it is installed
[09:03] <robotti^> hello!
[09:03] <Xisdibik> I figured as much, just wanted to make sure though
[09:03] <robotti^> screen brightness adjustment does not work on karmic koala
[09:04] <robotti^> it works without nvidia driver
[09:04] <robotti^> on macbook 5,1 :)
[09:06] <DanaG> sorry about that... stupid Pidgin let me try to start it like 10 times at once, with no launch feedback.
[09:06] <LSD|Ninja> Is there a way to move the Growl^H^H^H^H^Hnotification box further up the screen slightly?
[09:07] <DanaG> Yeah, go yell at Canonical.
[09:09] <robotti^> :)
[09:09] <DanaG>  I was clicking "start pidgin" in avant-window-navigator, thinking it would pull up the buddy list.  And when it didn't... I clicked it again.  And it gave no feedback that anything was happening.
[09:09] <robotti^> LSD|Ninja: you are mac user
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> robotti^: and?
[09:10] <om26er> ?
[09:12] <robotti^> LSD|Ninja: I just noticed when you say about Growl notification :)
[09:12] <DanaG> Heartbeat LED is very handy for telling when things are dead.   I was moving stuff from ntfs-3g to a truecrypt volume on the same ntfs-3g partition.... and the system essentially had a "heart attack".   That is, it got so far bogged down that the heartbeat LED stopped... for like 10 or so seconds.
[09:13] <om26er> good
[09:14] <om26er> is there any lxde based ubuntu cd expected?? i.e Lubuntu???
[09:14] <om26er> Lubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:14] <DanaG> For some reason the name "lubuntu" reminds me of some "nsfw" words.
[09:15] <DanaG> Like, perhaps the shape or sound of the word is the same.
[09:15]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[09:15] <DanaG> Mon Oct 26 02:15:25 PDT 2009
[09:17] <om26er> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu
[09:19] <om26er1> any word on Ubuntu Moblin Remix
[09:19] <om26er1> and Lubuntu
[09:23] <bullgard4> In Ubuntu 8.04.3: '~$ users; detlef detlef detlef detlef detlef'. But in Ubuntu 9.10 on a similar computer: '~$ users; detlef'. What is the reason for the difference?
[09:25] <shao> hello
[09:25] <shao> just upraded and a couple of isues
[09:25] <shao> no sound at all
[09:26] <shao> gui setings are no saved when i log out
[09:26] <shao> not*
[09:26] <shao> and no metacity when i log in
[09:26] <om26er1> shao: do you have a live cd can you test if sound works from livecd?
[09:27] <om26er1> shao: if no metacity then what you see an xterminal?
[09:27] <shao> my sound works in gentoo
[09:28] <shao> but window decoration
[09:28] <dupondje> lol it works now, seems like I have TONS of old packages :(
[09:29] <om26er1> does gnash have hardware acceleration
[09:29] <shao> om26er1, iguess sound is # 1 issue
[09:30] <om26er1> shao: how about a clean install
[09:30] <shao> yeah thats what i thougt
[09:30] <shao> sad though these upgrades always break for me
[09:31] <om26er1> some upgrades go smooth and some break
[09:31] <om26er1> i never got a break
[09:51] <vvizard> I have a software mirror-raid /dev/md0, set up to mount to /mnt/raid during boot through fstab. This works fine. But I get spammed during boot by messages like "/mnt/raid waiting for /dev/md0". As I said, it works fine, so maybe those messages should be oppressed from the regular boot-messages?
[09:54] <DanaG> I get the same thing even on my non-raid drive.
[09:54] <DanaG> It waits for ALL my partitions.
[09:57] <vvizard> ;)
[09:58] <DanaG> And fsck progress is silly, too.  It reports each step on a new line.
[09:58] <DanaG> 0%.  0%.  1%.  1%.   .............  75%.   75%.   75%.   76%.   76%.
[09:58] <DanaG> You get the point.  Yeah, and it does repeat.
[09:59] <vvizard> Hehe
[10:07] <vega-> what's wrong with karmic "lock screen" button in gnome
[10:07] <vega-> doesn't work anymore
[10:13] <arj> hello. I have upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 to help test, but software from official sources (skype 2.1 beta and virtualbox) have strange fonts. How do I fix this?
[10:26] <meta_> Hi all folks
[10:26] <meta_> I have installed kubuntu koala rc, with ext 4 /
[10:26] <meta_> and with an encrypted /data
[10:26] <meta_> this partition will contains my /home too...
[10:27] <fahadsadah> I just give every user an encrypted folder in their home directory.
[10:27] <meta_> but the problem is that X isn't wait's for my password assked by dm-decrypt at boot
[10:27] <meta_> I just see the passwordprompt for a second then x comes up
[10:28] <meta_> How can i make the password prompt "blocks" until i give a pass?
[10:30] <joaopinto> meta_, you should search for a bug report, that seems a critical bug, if you can't find it, report it
[10:31] <meta_> I was found one from 2006 some reboot ago...
[10:37] <yofel> meta_: bug 445888 ?
[10:38] <yofel> meta_: or bug 434232
[10:39] <meta_> i'm just in stuck with thunderbird which want's libstdc5 that is unavailable in karmic... to get my password... i wanted to log in to this launchpad stuff
[10:39] <meta_> btw i check it
[10:40] <yofel> meta_: huh? why would thunderbird want libstdc++5?
[10:40] <mzz> which thunderbird is this? the packaged one should work fine
[10:41] <meta_> yes, but i don't use the packaged tb/mozilla cause of my bad experiences...
[10:41] <mzz> and huh, libstdc++5 really is gone?
[10:41] <meta_> so this is from mozilla.org one...
[10:41] <pradeep_> i was trying to install karmic from the iso i wrote to cd, when i selected the fresh install option i was getting the error saying cannot mount /dev/loop0 something like that
[10:41] <meta_> E: Package libstdc++5 has no installation candidate
[10:42] <pradeep_> wat's the problem??
[10:42] <joaopinto> mzz, yes, it's gone
[10:42] <joaopinto> obsolete
[10:42] <mzz> I'm a bit surprised the mozilla.org build uses libstdc++.so.5, but "bad experiences" also seems odd
[10:42] <ArkoldThos> :p
[10:42] <meta_> this is not the latest version, it's pretty old so i need to downlaod the new one
[10:42] <meta_> maybe that will work
[10:43]  * mzz mutters
[10:43] <meta_> i just don't like the ~25 mb xulrunner stuff and other modifications in mozilla stuffs in ubuntu
[10:43] <mzz> (don't run old geckos with known security vulnerabilities :( )
[10:43] <mzz> what?
[10:43] <pradeep_> help please!!
[10:43] <meta_> you are true
[10:43] <mzz> the thunderbird package isn't xulrunnerified
[10:44] <ArkoldThos> someone here uses dolphin-emu?
[10:45] <meta_> oh and ther was some mess with the config directory (mozilla.org's one uses .thunderbird where the package ones something like .mozilla-thunderbird)
[10:45] <mzz> do you have any actual concrete problems with the ubuntu packaged thunderbird? Have bugs been filed on those problems? :)
[10:45] <meta_> and a lot of little roar's is the reason:)
[10:45] <meta_> it's become my habit since edgy
[10:45] <meta_> and i did not checked since that...
[10:45] <meta_> i just download them and put them in /opt and that's all
[10:46] <meta_> no xul, no missing xpcom(the main problem was in edgy), no other specializations...
[10:46] <mzz> "no xul"?
[10:46] <meta_> runner*
[10:47] <meta_> but back to the password prompt, thats a bigger problem, this is only my fault/problem/idiotism:)
[10:47] <meta_> but...
[10:47] <meta_> ./thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:47] <gnomefreak> our package uses ~/.thunderbird only for 3.0 and mozilla-thunderbird for 2.0.x  this is on purpose
[10:47] <mzz> "no xulrunner?" Neither the mozilla nor the ubuntu build use a separate xulrunner
[10:48] <meta_> with the latest downloaded mozilla.org's thunderbird
[10:48] <gnomefreak> meta_: sounds like you downloaded tbird-3 from mozilla
[10:48] <meta_> yep
[10:48] <mzz> err, no
[10:48] <meta_> (because somebody wondered if mozilla.org sill uses libstdc5 iirc)
[10:48] <mzz> wait, tbird-3 from mozilla uses libstdc++.so.5? That'd be unfortunate.
[10:48] <gnomefreak> meta_: we can not support 3.0 from upstream and we havent gotten it in Karmic
[10:49] <mzz> I just checked, thunderbird 2 does use libstdc++.so.5, but I'd expect thunderbird 3 to use a much more recent compiler
[10:49] <meta_> gnomefreak: oh sry, no, i downloaded 2.00.23 or what
[10:49] <meta_>     * 2.0.0.23 for Linux i686, English (US) (10.9MB)
[10:50] <gnomefreak> meta_: tbird 2 and 3 both use Depends: libstdc++6
[10:50] <yofel> meta_: the 2.0.0.23 ubuntu version works just fine without libstdc++5 and doesn't need xulrunner...
[10:50] <mzz> exactly
[10:50] <meta_> okay, then i try it:)
[10:51] <meta_> no dependencies, awesome!:)
[10:52] <meta_> wanna say LOL on the conclusions found here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/434232
[10:53] <heshan> any one know why my graphic drivers in not loaded by Os?
[10:53] <heshan> it was supporting by 9.04
[10:53] <heshan> but not the upgrated 9.10
[10:53]  * gnomefreak wonders how we would know
[10:54] <yofel> heshan: what's your GPU? 'lspci | grep VGA' in a terminal if you don't know
[10:55] <cbx33> anyone tried getting bluetooth networking working in Karmic?
[10:55] <psychuil> I'm back, and my liveusb is broken :\
[10:55] <psychuil> Instead of loading gnome and all the shiny it only opens a terminal :\
[10:56] <meta_> can somebody explain me what does "echo 'CRYPTROOT=target=pvcrypt,source=/dev/sda1' > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot" do?
[10:56] <psychuil> Anyone able to help me?
[10:57] <meta_> i understand what does it do, but not what it causes...
[11:02] <heshan> yofel: intel
[11:02] <heshan> yofel:its a shared
[11:02] <yofel> heshan: and what's the model number?
[11:03] <yofel> like: 945GME
[11:03] <heshan> yofel: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator        950 with up to 224-MB shared system memory
[11:04] <heshan> yofel: is it still in dev phase?
[11:04] <heshan> my laptop is HP nx7300
[11:06] <oldude67> heshan, i have to use the i915 modeset for my 945gz so  you might have to as well.
[11:06] <meta_> Pray for me, i'm going to reboot...
[11:06] <heshan>  oldude67: your saying it workd for you?
[11:07] <meta_> brb
[11:07] <oldude67> heshan, ya i had to go in add it to the grub, but putting in i915,modeset=0 works
[11:07] <Trewas> heshan: gma950 is using other driver (poulsbo) than any other intel chip and AFAIK does not work by default on karmic
[11:08] <Trewas> bug 330906
[11:08] <oldude67> Trewas, ya i know my way is a hack..but i thought it might help.
[11:09] <yofel> Trewas: 950 is a poulsbo chip too?
[11:09] <Trewas> hrm, or am I messing up the numbers...
[11:10] <Trewas> heshan: ok, probably I messed up the numbers and I was thinking of gma500, 950 should work (or if not, then for some other reason than that bug)
[11:13] <heshan> oldude67: Thanks I will try it
[11:13] <heshan> oldude67: my sounds also not working,
[11:13] <oldude67> heshan, yw and let me know if it works for you...
[11:14] <oldude67> heshan, what type of sound card is it?
[11:14] <oldude67> heshan, are you running gnome,kde,or xfce?
[11:15] <heshan> ADI1981HD High Definition CODEC
[11:15] <oldude67> and you have checked the sound to make sure nothing is muted?>
[11:15] <heshan> oldude67: not muted :)
[11:15] <oldude67> what desktop?
[11:16] <heshan> oldude67:this is a notebook, nx-7300 HP
[11:16] <oldude67> heshan, what wm are you using, gnome or ?????
[11:17] <oldude67> heshan, either way, go into system settings and multimedia, and test the system if it work click prefer.
[11:26] <Degot> Hi, ALL. I`ve meet problem with Display brightness.. It goes dim on idle even if i disabled it with gconf. (Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop amd64)
[11:27] <pradeep_> I was trying to install a fresh copy of karmic rc. I got an error saying "could not mount /dev/loop0 ://filesystem/squash.fs something like that
[11:27] <pradeep_> anyone knows the fix please help
[11:29] <mzz> heh, ddebs.ubuntu.com seems to be ahead of nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <mzz> pradeep_: I really hope that's not the only message
[11:30] <pradeep_> mzz: that was the message, i don know whether the cd is not proper i wrote..
[11:30] <aguitel> are grub2 instaled in karmic rc?
[11:32] <topyli> aguitel, yes
[11:32] <pradeep_> mzz: It said something BusyBox... i/o error
[11:33] <aguitel> topyli, i synaptica is unmarked
[11:33] <clepto> just curious. should i just do a straight reinstall from 9.04 to 9.10? or should i go with the the update-manager method?
[11:34] <topyli> aguitel, the package is 'grub-pc'
[11:34] <topyli> aguitel, as you see from the package description, grub2 is a dummy package
[11:34] <mzz> clepto: I don't think anyone can really answer that. Both have up- and downsides.
[11:34] <clepto> people over in the regular ubuntu channel told me to ask here
[11:35] <mzz> clepto: I wouldn't share a /home between the two (upgrading a /home should work, but I'm not at all sure about downgrading, if only because of the firefox upgrade)
[11:35] <clepto> mzz: yeah problem is i dont know the ups or downs
[11:35] <mzz> clepto: so if you do a fresh install and have the space for it you can have both installed in parallel, copy your /home over, and only drop jaunty when you're sure karmic actually works
[11:36] <clepto> mzz: i know having to reset everything up is a pain
[11:36] <mzz> clepto: but yeah, if the upgrade *does* work it's more work this way.
[11:36] <mzz> fresh install is also a good excuse to do a bit of housekeeping (by side-effect mostly) if you know what I mean
[11:37] <clepto> mzz: do you know if they use better drivers for the alfa 500mw wifi card in 9.10?
[11:37] <chrism2671> a recent update on my system broke the gdm login system. now when I login the screen goes blank and it re-cycles and comes back to the login screen. does anybody know how to disable the gdm login from the shell?
[11:37] <aguitel> topyli, ok
[11:37] <mzz> I did the side-by-side install thing, but that was after the beta release (so fewer guarantees karmic would actually work) and it's relatively easy for me (not a lot of customization in my /home, and I use lvm so creating the extra partitions was pretty trivial)
[11:37] <mzz> clepto: no
[11:38] <mzz> chrism2671: ctrl+alt+f1 to a textmode login prompt, log in, "sudo stop gdm"
[11:38] <chrism2671> mzz: yep i've done that- what i'm looking for is a way to get rid of the login screen to so i can actually get into gdm
[11:38] <clepto> mzz: ahh thats the wifi i use... and the default drivers in 9.04 suck.
[11:38] <mzz> chrism2671: or perhaps it's a better habit to do "sudo service gdm stop", since "service" supports both upstart and sysv jobs, iirc.
[11:38] <pradeep_> mzz: i was dropped into the initramfs prompt when i was trying to install
[11:39] <mzz> chrism2671: "startx" to start X without gdm
[11:39] <mzz> pradeep_: my mindreading (and seeing what's on your screen) skills are pretty terrible
[11:39]  * mzz rephrases
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:39] <mzz> clepto: no, I don't know if they use better drivers (not "no, they don't use better drivers")
[11:40] <pradeep_> mzz: do u know how to write the iso onto a usb and make it bootable
[11:40] <mzz> pradeep_: there's a walkthrough for that on the wiki iirc, but I haven't done this myself
[11:40] <clepto> mzz: yeah i got that
[11:40] <mzz> clepto: just making sure you didn't interpret it the other way
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> pradeep_: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[11:41] <clepto> mzz: its 5am here and i havnt slept im kinda in ramble mode... i think im going to bed now :D catch ya later man
[11:41] <mzz> ok!
[11:42]  * mzz considers rebuilding rxvt-unicode with 256 color support
[11:43] <mzz> (and without libafterimage support, which I don't care about)
[11:44] <Degot> Hi, ALL. I`ve meet problem with Display brightness.. It goes dim on idle even if i disabled it with gconf. (Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop amd64)... How can i fix it?
[11:47] <gartral> alrighty.. it's a minor thing, but the copy of memtest on the beta iso reports my i7 860 as an "i5 860" anyon else seeing this (possibly on the x58/i7 9xx too?)
[11:48] <amatux> @pradeep_ : there is a nice tool on www.linuxliveusb.com. to avoid boot error for 9.10 rc (karmic)  initrd.lz has to be renamed to initrd.gz on the stick.
[11:49] <chrism2671> mzz: no luck there- any other ideas about how to bypass the gnome login?
[11:51] <mzz> chrism2671: I don't understand the question.
[11:51] <mzz> chrism2671: I'm pretty sure "sudo stop gdm" would stop the login screen. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if "startx" just dumped you straight back to your shell too
[11:52] <mzz> chrism2671: that is: I'm not convinced your problem is actually with gdm
[11:52] <mzz> chrism2671: so what's your current problem?
[11:56] <bigbrovar>  hi guys
[11:56] <bigbrovar> anyone experiencing problems printing pdf on ubuntu?
[11:56] <bigbrovar> tried both okular (kubuntu) and xpp both failed to print. but same pdf printed fine on ubuntu hardy heron here is a i found on a similar issue
[12:00] <chrism2671> mzz: i don't think the problem is with gdm. the problem is specifically with the gnome login screen. i'm trying to bypass the actual login program, so I drop straight into the gnome GUI.
[12:00] <chrism2671> mzz: i had it configured to auto-login and then i ran apt-get update and a new login screen appeared that I've never seen before- now I can't get past it, it just comes round in a circle.
[12:00] <mzz> chrism2671: so does "startx" successfully get you into gnome?
[12:01] <chrism2671> mzz: sadly not
[12:01] <mzz> aha
[12:01] <Milos_SD> Why I can't start Ubuntu 9.10 RC in VirtualBox?
[12:01] <mzz> chrism2671: usually when people talk about the "login screen" they mean the gdm one (gdm-simple-chooser I think the actual binary is called)
[12:01] <Milos_SD> it starts, but picture is not pressent :S
[12:02] <mzz> chrism2671: so exactly what do you get when you use "startx"?
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: yep, i believe that's the one i'm having issues with it
[12:02] <mzz> chrism2671: if that's the one you're having issues with "startx" would work
[12:02]  * mzz logs out to confirm that
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: sure thing, will just having another go
[12:02] <oldude67> Milos_SD, i know there was an issue with it not running right in virtual mode, but figured it was fixed by now.
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: one sec
[12:03] <Milos_SD> oldude67, Beta was working, but now RC is not :S
[12:03] <Milos_SD> I'll post a screenshot in a moment
[12:03] <Milos_SD> here it is
[12:03] <Milos_SD> http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5876/screenshotdv.png
[12:03] <oldude67> Milos_SD, ya would figure huh...one of these days i hope soon, the devs will get all there crap together..lets hope its before the release.
[12:04] <chrism2671> mzz: ok i've managed to get it to start with 'failsafe gnome'
[12:04] <chrism2671> will try killing gdm and running startx
[12:05] <mzz> chrism2671: I'm hoping "startx" will also fail, and ~/.xsession-errors will have clues afterwards
[12:05] <Degot> Hi... I have problem with display brightness, it goes dim on idle  after 10 min =( how can i fix it? (9.10 desktop amd64)
[12:05] <oldude67> Milos_SD, ya thats pretty screwed up...lol...go figure.
[12:06] <dogson> Hai, i have problem with ubuntu netbook remix, in netbook-launcher there is no icons for changing themes or enable/disable compiz effects.
[12:09] <yacc> I'm trying to install 9.10 AMD64 onto an USB stick and it's failing when I try to install GRUB/LILO onto it?
[12:11] <chrism2671> mzz: startx completely hung the machine- it is completely unresponsive- EXCEPT- I can still access it just fine over SSH
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> yacc: can you do it manually afterwards?
[12:11] <chrism2671> mzz: i've left it in its frozen state and connected via ssh
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: then i'd read the last 20 dmesg lines and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:16] <ExElNeT> hmm i updated to karmic and now i cant login anymore via ssh... i modified the pam.d/kdm file correctly... any idea?
[12:17] <patdk-lap> kdm? I have no pam.d/kdm file at all in karmic
[12:17] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/m49a3ade6 (xsession-errors)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: does ~/.config/metacity   exist?
[12:20] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: hmm thats odd
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: you may also want to run: sudo mkdir /var/lib/samba/usershares
[12:20] <patdk-lap> are you running kubuntu? not normal ubuntu?
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> no pam.d/kdm here either.. :) but i do have a gdm
[12:21] <patdk-lap> and ssh shouldn't be using pam.d/kdm anyways
[12:21] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: yeah both :=) , nope its the login that should use the ssh key
[12:22]  * Dr_Willis is confused
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: sounds like your system is missing quite a lot
[12:23] <patdk-lap> kdm/gdm are graphical X logins, ssh won't use them
[12:24] <chrism2671> ActionParsnip: there isn't- i normally run compiz though
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: sounds like your system expects that wackily named file
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: i'd make it just to humour it
[12:25] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: well the goal is to login with your ssh key in your system. a session will get created and you dont have to auth yourself again with your ssh-key, thats what lib pam-ssh is for :=)
[12:26] <patdk-lap> well, you never said anything about pam-ssh before :)
[12:26] <maek0> I have just installed some updates in Karmic ... and its asking me what to do about GRUB
[12:26] <maek0> what option should I pick ??
[12:26]  * patdk-lap has no pam-ssh :)
[12:26] <bazhang> maek0, what are the options
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> maek0: grub will need updating so you can load your new kernel (I'm guessing its installed a new one for you)
[12:27] <patdk-lap> ExElNeT, you probably didn't want to add it to kdm anyways, but like common-auth and common-session
[12:28] <maek0> it says "What would you like to do about GRUB ?" and it gives some options
[12:28] <patdk-lap> maek0, we can't see your screen
[12:28] <maek0> keep the installed version is the first option
[12:28] <hipitihop> I'm trying to follow this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1175001 to disable usbhid grabbing my remote IR device. Identical device i.e. "Vendor=15c2 ProdID=0043 Rev= 0.02" however despite creating a 10-lirc.rules, usbhid is still listed as driver. Can anyone shed light ?
[12:28] <bazhang> package maintainer's version an option maek0 ?
[12:29] <legend2440> maek0: i  choose Maintainers Version
[12:29] <patdk-lap> did you ever customize /boot/grub/menu.1st?
[12:29] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: normally its done by adding @include pam-ssh-auth before common-auth... but thats not working. debug says: debug1: No SSH login-keys directory.
[12:29] <patdk-lap> I'm assuming no, since you don't know what it is
[12:29] <maek0> bazhang, yeah .. I have some entrys in there for booting Windows .. will that remove them ??
[12:29] <kavurt> I need help with restoring my grub2. I installed opensuse after karmic. and now I want to restore karmic's grub2. I have karmic cd.
[12:29] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: here's the .log http://pastebin.com/d4ccac307
[12:30] <patdk-lap> ExElNeT, heh, finally the error message :)
[12:30] <patdk-lap> well why doesn't that directory exists? if ssh doesn't have a ~/.ssh with authorized keys it won't work, heh
[12:31] <bazhang> maek0, as legend2440 said I always choose the newer package maintainer's version
[12:31] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: yeah but it exists. ;/
[12:31] <maek0> so it wont overwrite my boot entrys ??
[12:33] <patdk-lap> anyone know how to remove drives from the places menu?
[12:34] <om26er> tell me is Lubuntu coming with 9.10
[12:34] <om26er> Amaranth: is lubuntu gonna release with 9.10
[12:35] <bazhang> !info lubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <bazhang> om26er, ^^
[12:36]  * hipitihop goes to bed wishing an answer will come forth by the morning
[12:36] <om26er> bazhang: no live cd?
[12:36] <maek0> bazhang, I chose that option and it found my other OS and installed them according to the command line view .. cheers
[12:36] <bazhang> maek0, nice
[12:36] <bazhang> om26er, I'll keep looking
[12:41] <mzz> chrism2671: sorry, lost track of irc. looking at pastebins now
[12:41] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: fixed it. you need a login-keys.d dir in .ssh and the shipped pam.d/pam-ssh-auth file was wrong... key_files option seems to be invalid
[12:42] <patdk-lap> heh
[12:42] <patdk-lap> I couldn't find any documentation on pam-ssh
[12:46] <chrism2671> mzz: np thanks
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: reads as if your X server locked up, but it's not providing a lot of clues about why
[12:47] <patdk-lap> crazy, a rackmountable usb hub
[12:47] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: i agree. as failsafe gnome seems to work properly, i can only assume that it is something to do with full gnome that is causing it o break
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: does dmesg have anything (I doubt it, but worth looking)? Is there anything interesting on the stderr of the X server?
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: most obvious guess would be compiz is involved somehow
[12:48] <Wazzzaaa> I had my /boot on /dev/sda1. When installing a karmic I forgot to "say" install grub on sda1. I did an update-grub and something else. But sda1 contains the old grub. How do I install a new grub on sda1 ?
[12:48] <patdk-lap> in 8.04 (8.10 also I think) I had issues with compiz
[12:48] <patdk-lap> I never tried it in 9.04
[12:48] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: are you sure you need to?
[12:48] <patdk-lap> but I just turned it on in 9.10 and it seems tobe working (for me)
[12:48] <Wazzzaaa> mzz: yes I want to...
[12:49] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, what partition is active in fdisk? sda1?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> why would ou want grub on sda1, and not 'sda' ?
[12:49] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: also, do you mean installing the first stage of grub into the boot sector of sda1, or do you mean you want to put the extra modules onto that separate /boot partition?
[12:49] <patdk-lap> Dr_Willis, if he has windows and doesn't want windows to always overwrite grub :)
[12:49] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: (I am assuming the system currently boots, and am trying to understand what you are actually trying to change)
[12:50] <Wazzzaaa> Well some1 in #ubuntu gave me a tip. I try that first before going in depth here...
[12:50] <kavurt> I can't restore grub2. can someone help?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> patdk-lap:  id rather trust grub.. then trust windiows to chain load/boot :) but i guess ive been  bitten by windiws toomany times
[12:50] <mzz> !cannot
[12:50] <chrism2671> mzz: yep, dmesg says that dropbox is having a seg fault
[12:50] <bazhang> !grub2
[12:51]  * Dr_Willis likes grub2
[12:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, I don't believe I have grub2 installed
[12:51] <mzz> !doesntwork
[12:51] <St0n3-C0l> Annyone using Karmic and has i810 or D845 board?
[12:51] <mzz> kavurt: what ubottu just said
[12:51] <mickster04> hey how do i get grub2 to profile?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> 'profile' ?
[12:52] <mzz> to what?
[12:52]  * Dr_Willis takes Mug shots of Grub2
[12:52] <mickster04> i found a forum thread and it saud something about sreadahead but it doesnt seem to be on my system
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> Turn to your left...
[12:52] <mzz> mickster04: what are you trying to accomplish?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> mickster04:  no idea what you are refering to. :)
[12:53] <mickster04> yeah, in legacy if you added "profile" o the end after "splash" it would profile the boot to make it go faster
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: sreadahead is reprofiled automatically when appropriate (trigger-based) afaict
[12:53] <mickster04> well it hasnt started then
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: how are you determining this?
[12:53] <mickster04> can i manually get it to profile
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: also see /etc/cron.monthly/sreadahead
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> its not been a month. :)
[12:54] <mzz> Dr_Willis: yes, but guessing from the occasional output during apt-get runs it also triggers that on installing certain packages
[12:54] <mickster04> well according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1283722 i could delete something to force it to reprofile, but i dont have that thing to remove
[12:54] <heng> I'm trying to debug a suspend issue on my laptop. Can anybody describe to me the signal path that occurs when a suspend signal is issued, and how I might debug it? I'm not getting any kernel log messages which doesn't help.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> wow - look at all the /var/log/bootchart stuff i got.. I should remove that..
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: you could move all ~/.g* folders into a new folder then log in, new gnome config folders will then be created.
[12:55] <mzz> mickster04: is the sreadahead package actually installed?
[12:55] <om26er> and download manager for ubuntu that support multi threaded downloading like DAP and IDM
[12:55] <om26er> any*
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  ive noticed the normal package manager doing that  in some cases.. (or at least it looks like it is) when i am getting updates from different repositories.
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> but not quite the same I guess as multi-threading.. :)
[12:56] <mickster04> mzz how do i find out?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen it get the ubuntu updates, and the chromium updates at the same time at least. a few times
[12:57] <om26er> Dr_Willis: download manager which i can use to download images from cdimae.ubuntu.com at a faster rate
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  not used one of those in years.
[12:57] <mzz> mickster04: "apt-cache policy sreadahead" is one way
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> filezilla perhaps.
[12:57] <mzz> or "dpkg -l sreadahead", I guess
[12:58]  * Dr_Willis is polite and tries to not hammer the servers.
[12:58] <mickster04> mzz, its installed
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> om26er: it can only come down as fast as the connection you pay for from your provider
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> !info sreadahead
[12:58] <mzz> mickster04: ok. Does /var/lib/sreadahead/ exist?
[12:58] <om26er> ActionParsnip: i get 80-90kb/s and my network gives me 200
[12:59] <om26er> multiget is a multi threaded downlaoder
[12:59] <om26er> but interface is ekh
[12:59] <mickster04> mzz, yes but only contains debugfs
[12:59] <mzz> mickster04: ok. Is there anything fishy about your boot process? Any initramfs (initrd) customizations, etc?
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> om26er: maybe but if you pay for a 10Mb line, your provider will not give you more than 10Mb connection speed no matter what software you use
[12:59] <mzz> mickster04: might want to boot with the splash off and check for suspicious messages, etc.
[13:00] <mickster04> mzz, its the default install...
[13:00] <om26er> ActionParsnip: if you have a high network ping then these kind of softwares are very useful
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> om26er: true
[13:00] <mickster04> it says sumat about vga=788 or something but thats before the splash
[13:00] <mzz> mickster04: also, did you actually reboot recently?
[13:01] <mzz> mickster04: (because I'm pretty sure that packfile is deleted automatically if you upgrade certain packages)
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> om26er: secret is to buy a low contention link rather than some cheap garbage, most don't look at that
[13:01] <mzz> mickster04: so if you haven't rebooted since the last time you installed or upgraded packages, do so
[13:01] <mickster04> mzz, yes i have just turned on again, i can reboot tho seeing as i think i did update stuff
[13:01] <mickster04> bbl
[13:05] <om26er> some time my wireless stop working and dmesg says link not ready
[13:05] <mickster04> mzz, you were right
[13:05] <mickster04> :/
[13:05] <mickster04> thanks
[13:06] <chrism2671> mzz: i updated dropbox, doesn't seem to have fixed it. i think i'm going to give up for the time being (and use XP!) and wait for the final release now
[13:06] <bigbrovar> is it possible to downgrade the version of xserver shipped with karmic to the version in jaunty which allows u to use EXA instead of the UXA which ships with karmic
[13:06] <chrism2671> mzz: in the past some errors have just appeared and then vanished the next due to subsequent updates
[13:06]  * mzz doesn't know what dropbox is
[13:07] <om26er> bigbrovar: what's the problem with UXA. for me its faster than ever
[13:07] <mzz> bigbrovar: I guess that might live in some ppa somewhere, but it's supposed to be unusual to want to do that
[13:07] <bigbrovar> because my laptop running karmic is becoming unberable at least on jaunty i could enable EXA greedy mode which helped alot
[13:09] <om26er> bigbrovar: if you are using jaunty you should ask this in #ubuntu
[13:09] <bigbrovar> mzz> there is a bug reported on the issue, so am not alone intel X3100 really chobby on karmic
[13:10] <bigbrovar> om26er> am on karmic. I was wondering if its possible to downgrade to anm Xserver which supports EXA greedy mode (like the version shipped with jaunty)
[13:18] <tapia> hello
[13:19] <shadeslayer> tapia: hu
[13:19] <bazhang> hi
[13:19] <shadeslayer> *hi
[13:19] <tapia> am I wrong, or glade-2 has been removed in karmic?
[13:19]  * shadeslayer gets ubottu to say hi
[13:19] <shadeslayer> !hi | tapia
[13:19] <ron273> hi guys, on upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 the update manager crashed. Now I have a mounting error and it won't start
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ron273: what mounting error?
[13:20] <ron273> one or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ron273: can you paste your fstab please?
[13:21] <ron273> it is the last post of this thread:
[13:21] <tapia> Is there any way to install glade-2 on karmic?
[13:21] <ron273> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1297318&page=3
[13:21] <ron273> here it is:
[13:21] <ron273> One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab/ cannot yet be mounted:
[13:21] <ron273> (ESC for recoveryshell)
[13:21] <ron273> swap: waiting for /dev/sda8
[13:22] <Lazy> tapia: glade-2 should be in karmic
[13:22] <bazhang> tapia, are you referring to libglade2-0
[13:22] <tapia> no
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ron273: ctrl+D in a shell..
[13:22] <tapia> glade-2
[13:22] <tapia> the application
[13:22] <ron273> shadeslayer: Where do I do Control D
[13:22] <yofel> !info glade-2
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ron273: in a terminal
[13:23] <yofel> tapia: ^^^
[13:23] <Lazy> oh, it seems to be a dummy package
[13:23] <tapia> try to install it :-)
[13:23] <ron273> shadeslayer: I cannot open a terminal
[13:24] <tapia> it installs glade-3
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok,your update manager crashed,what did you do next?
[13:24] <ron273> I restarted ubuntu and ended up in Grub.
[13:24] <Guest96296> does anyone know how to boot using the windows 7 bootloader ? (i didn't and don't want to install grub in front of the windows loader and thus selected to not install a bootloader on setup)
[13:24] <shadeslayer> btw cloud computing will make it in karmic right? somebody told me it wont :(
[13:24] <ron273> I started like I normally start and after the spashscreen it showed the error and freezes
[13:25]  * Dr_Willis has yet to really heard a good definition of what 'cloud' computing even is....
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: you can install grub from the live cd
[13:25] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, YAY for buzzwords; don't worry, karmic will be fully cloud and web 3.0 with lots of ajax and webapps n shizzle if you want
[13:25] <Wazzzaaa> I want to re install grub on 9.10. But I cannot boot from that live cd... And even super grub isn't working. any ideas?
[13:25] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, as i said, i don't want it in my mbr, there must be some other way...
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ron273: uh,um,dunno what to say
[13:26] <Wazzzaaa> It hangs on splash screen...
[13:26] <ron273> Would booting from Live CD help? And do Ctrl-D from there?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: i dont think so,the windows mbr cant boot linux i think (specially ext4)
[13:27] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, but an old grub can, which can be chainloaded from windows
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ron273: you could boot from a live cd and chroot into the system and complete the upgrade
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> You could put grub on sda4 or whever the linux partition is and some how chain load it i guess..
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: thats more of a grub specific question... idk anything about grub :(
[13:27] <ron273> shadeslayer: I will try that
[13:28] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, can you give me full names of the files beginning with vmlinuz and initrd in /boot ?
[13:28] <ron273> shadeslayer: how do I chroot in the Live CD. Forgive me for beeing a noob
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: just lemme pastebin them
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> !chroot
[13:28] <Wazzzaaa> ron273: sudo reboot
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ron273: of course not,just hold on a sec
[13:29] <Wazzzaaa> sorry, i red reboot, in stead of chroot :P
[13:29] <Guest96296> if i select to not install grub into mbr, will it at least get installed into the partition so i can chainload ?
[13:29] <drs305> Here's the chroot instructions for installing Grub2 from Live CD   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[13:29] <patdk-lap> hmm, upgraded to grub2
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> Phear da Grub2 goodness.
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: http://pastebin.com/f4dbf448
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> i made a usb flash drive that boots .iso files with grub2
[13:30] <shadeslayer> ron273: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[13:30] <Guest96296> oh man, why does this have to be so complicated, why can't it just nicely add a entry to the windows bootloader >_>
[13:30] <Wazzzaaa> karmic live cd (RC) hangs during splash screen. any ideas how to get just a root shell ?
[13:30] <ron273> shadeslayer: thanks for that. I will give it a try.
[13:31] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: Cloud computing+future of os : http://gadgets.ndtv.com/video.aspx?id=109292
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Guest96296:  becuse ms dosent want it to.
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  whenever i read about cloud it reminds me of stuff we were doing 20 years ago.. with xdmcp :) but thats not quite the same i guess..
[13:32] <Guest96296> Dr_Willis, yeah, right...
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> Guest96296:  you could ask in #windows about how to add things to the windows boot loader/listing i guess..
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> I will stick with grub2
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> wubi does add itself to the window boot loader some how.. but ive no idea if it can boot a normal linux install
[13:33] <shadeslayer> me too
[13:33] <Guest96296> when i install and deselect the install to mbr, will it get installed to the partition tho ?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: wubi resides on the windows partition as well..
[13:33]  * Dr_Willis finds it easier to just keep linux and windows each on theor own hard drives.
[13:33] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, i don't want that tho -_-
[13:33] <Wazzzaaa> karmic live cd (RC) hangs during splash screen. any ideas how to get just a root shell ?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> Wazzzaaa: ctrl+alt+F1
[13:34] <Wazzzaaa> black screen.. no prompt
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Wazzzaaa: imho you should md5sum the iso and run a self check on the cd
[13:34] <Guest96296> shadeslayer, is that 9.10, and what did you originally install and upgrade to ?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Wazzzaaa: try F1-F6
[13:34] <Wazzzaaa> shadeslayer: ok, I'll do a check disk
[13:34] <Wazzzaaa> already tried all...
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  or try the single user/recovery  mode/option   perhaps?
[13:34] <Wazzzaaa> Dr_Willis: where?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Guest96296: ive been on kubuntu from 8.10,then a clean install of 9.04 beta and then 9.10 alpha 4
[13:35] <Wazzzaaa> is there a line to just get root, no graphics...
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  in the intiial grub menus you can edit and apped 'single' or 'recovery' to the end i recall.. also remove the 'splash' option I think
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> single, or recovery = just the shell
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-14-generic (recovery mode)"
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> linux/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=UUID=1e04193e-82d3-4283-989e-5411e0599690 ro single
[13:36] <Wazzzaaa> true Dr_Willis, but my grub is defect. I need to install a new grub...
[13:36] <shadeslayer> ron273: the link i gave you about grub,also contains info on how to chroot into the system,just run the commands as is and dont run the commands for restoring grub
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  then use a live cd.
[13:36] <Wazzzaaa> you remember my initial question?
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  not a clue.
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:37] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:37] <Wazzzaaa>  < Wazzzaaa> karmic live cd (RC) hangs during splash screen. any ideas how to get just a
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: lol..
[13:37] <Wazzzaaa>                      root shell ?
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  on the cd.. use the 'single' option at the end.. and remove the quiet, and splash options.
[13:37] <Wazzzaaa> ah thnx!
[13:37] <Wazzzaaa> ~will try that, now it is checking integrety
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> if the live cd lets ya change that.. i forget. :)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> I use Live usb flash drives. :0
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: same here
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> I always keep a 'usb flash drive'  on the pc for rescue needs. :)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> keep one inside the case, on a little keychain.. just in case.
[13:38] <ron273> shadeslayer: I did try the first part, only it came back with the error: can't find /dev/sda6/mnt in /etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> ron273:  you did a typo.. its /dev/sda6 /mnt
[13:39] <Wazzzaaa> Dr_Willis: I used to use supergrub....
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ron273: ><
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> Wazzzaaa:  i am making a uber-boot-flash drive with grub2 and various iso files. :) right now it can boot ubuntu, TCL, and 'systemrescue live cd' from iso files.
[13:39] <ron273> Dr_Willis: you are the man! Thanks
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ron273: theres a space b/w sda6 and /mnt
[13:40] <Wazzzaaa> I now can see why it hangs on startup
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: dude pastebin the instructions please :)
[13:40] <Wazzzaaa> Buffer I/O error on device sr0
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Wazzzaaa: ah..
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  install grub2.. copy over iso.. edit grub.cfg as needed. :)
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  let me find my list of links
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: whats the line for booting the iso?
[13:41] <ken_ko> hi all: the frequency control gnome applets works fine in my computer with 9.04
[13:41] <ken_ko> but it prompts me everytime when I change the profile or frequency??
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> http://delicious.com/popular/grub2
[13:41] <ken_ko> any one face the same problem?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ken_ko: uh this is a support channel for 9.10
[13:41] <AceKing> Can somebody help me to find a way to open websites that can only be viewed in IE? I tried installing User Agent Switcher in Firefox, but it didn't help.
[13:42] <mickster04> yo in FF i can use 2 fingers as a scroll, but i have to use 3 fingers as the scroll click...whats with that?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> AceKing: hmm.. most sites for ie work in ff as well
[13:42] <mickster04> AceKing, have u tried wine with IE?
[13:42] <ken_ko> shadeslayer: oops sorry, i mean it asked for my root password after i'd upgraded to 9.10
[13:42]  * shadeslayer doesnt go near wine
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB   MultiBoot USB with Grub2 (boot directly from iso files) | panticz.de
[13:43] <AceKing> mickster04: I have Wine, but where do I get IE?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ken_ko: yeah you need to provide it with root priviliges...
[13:43] <AceKing> shadeslayer: The county site wont open in FF
[13:43] <mickster04> AceKing, theres sumat called PlayOnLinux which might work for u:P
[13:43] <ken_ko> s
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ken_ko: theres a way to do that by reconfiguring the package and selecting to give it root priviliges
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> AceKing: what sites need IE in this day and age?>
[13:43] <AceKing> mickster04: Thank you
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> !ies4linux
[13:44] <AceKing> Dr_Willis: http://www.co.charlotte.fl.us/clrkinfo/clerk_default.htm
[13:44] <ken_ko> shadeslayer: That's wt i want to say
[13:44] <ken_ko> i entered the command to reconfigure gnome-applets
[13:44] <ken_ko> it has no response
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> AceKing:  that site is working here in FF for me.
[13:44] <AceKing> Dr_Willis: If you notice, the pane on the left side doesn't load
[13:44] <ron273> shadeslyer: ok I am root now. How do I restart the upgrade process?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> So the site has a 'bug'  - not a 'requirement' for IE :)
[13:45] <AceKing> Dr_Willis: The pane on the left should have a list of options to choose from
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> try the oprea browser.. or chromium
[13:46] <AceKing> Dr_Willis: Ok
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> same bug in Chromoim here..
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> not got Oprea handy
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ron273: check your : /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:46] <AceKing> Dr_Willis: Can I download Opera from the repositories?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ron273: just run : nano /etc/apt/sources.list : and see if every line has karmic in the end
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[13:47] <Wazzzaaa> AceKing: open synaptic and search for opera
[13:47] <thiebaude> http://www.opera.com/
[13:47] <thiebaude> they have the .deb for it
[13:47] <mickster04> AceKing, that site u gave works in FF?
[13:47] <Wazzzaaa> afaik, you have to add a software source for opera
[13:47] <ron273> shadeslayer: OK, I found that Alt-F2 and then update-manager -d did the trick as well. It is now downloading the update
[13:47] <AceKing> Wazzzaaa: Tried that and a bunch of stuff shows up
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ron273: noo
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ron273: that upgrade will be installed on the CD
[13:48] <ron273> shadeslayer: should I cancel?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ron273: yes,chrooting means you have the shell of the main machine
[13:48] <ron273> Ok, I canceled.
[13:48] <shadeslayer> (which in this case is your PC)
[13:49] <AceKing> mickster04: The site opens but I can't see the options under "Text Menu" in the left pane
[13:49] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok,did you see the commands on the grub page link i sent you?
[13:49] <ron273> shadeslayer: yes I did. I am now root
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok please run : ls -la : to verify that youre in the root shell
[13:50] <mickster04> well thats true
[13:50] <ron273> shadeslayer: a whole lot of dir entries, all with root in front of them
[13:50] <mickster04> AceKing, well when i click on it i get the page as the menu options
[13:51] <shadeslayer> ron273: there should be something like : boot,etc,dev.... etc
[13:51] <ron273> shadeslayer: yep. All with root in front of them.
[13:52] <AceKing> mickster04: Hmm. I tried it on both my PC and my laptop and it doesn't show menu options in the left pane
[13:52] <ron273> shadeslayer: and in /et/c/apt/sources.list are all lines with karmic instead of jaunty
[13:52] <mickster04> AceKing, nope but the page become a list of the options
[13:52] <Armageddon> My bluetooth under KK does not work, any idea ? dmesg lists it but lspci does not...
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok cool,now type : apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:53] <shadeslayer> !bluetooth | Armageddon
[13:53] <Armageddon> let's see
[13:53] <Armageddon> shadeslayer, shutdown -h restarts the PC, any link for that too ?
[13:54] <ron273> shadeslayer: after apt-get update a lot of errors about not finding files and failed archive downloads
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Armageddon: maybe its aliased to it?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> ron273: can you paste one line?
[13:54] <patdk-lap> Armageddon, why would bluetooth be listed in lspci? it's usb, not pci
[13:55] <Amaranth> om26er: That's up to the lubuntu people
[13:55] <Amaranth> om26er: afaik they are using ubuntu infrastructure for iso releases (so it won't be on releases.ubuntu.com)
[13:55] <AceKing> mickster04: Did it become a list of options on it's own, or did you set something to make it do that?
[13:55] <om26er> Amaranth: thank you
[13:56] <mickster04> no, the page showed all the options that would have been available
[13:56] <Amaranth> err, they aren't using it
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Amaranth: yeah itll be under lsusb : Bus 007 Device 005: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp.
[13:56] <om26er> Amaranth: nor at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:56] <Amaranth> om26er: Right
[13:56] <ron273> shadeslayer: yes, it is in Dutch though: Fout http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com karmic release.gpg Kon 'nl.archive.ubuntu.com' niet vinden
[13:56] <Amaranth> om26er: I didn't even know there was a "team"
[13:56] <Amaranth> I think one guy just made an lubuntu-desktop package
[13:56] <AceKing> mickster04: Damn, I wonder why I can't see it on either computer?
[13:57] <bazhang> yet there is a lubuntu-desktop package in karmic
[13:57] <ron273> shadeslayer: it translates as: Error http:/// etc. Could not find nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:57] <Amaranth> bazhang: I just said that
[13:57] <Buuntu> So I'm having problem with a Karmic upgrade.  I think part of the problem might be that I'm still using the old grub menu (although the install did have some errors, listed here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300719&page=2) with the old kernel.  How do I update the grub menu?
[13:57] <bazhang> Amaranth, I was repeating an earlier comment
[13:57] <Armageddon> patdk-lap: build in bluetooth
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok,so some of the files can get updated but others cannot?
[13:57] <Armageddon> shadeslayer: just installed KK
[13:57] <Armageddon> didn't alias anything
[13:58] <patdk-lap> built in bluetooth STILL USES USB
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Armageddon: just check with : alias
[13:58] <Armageddon> shadeslayer: nope nothing
[13:58] <ron273> shadeslayer: i did not execute apt-get  dist-upgrade yet. Should I do that first?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Armageddon: bah... no idea then
[13:58] <Armageddon> patdk-lap: doesn't work either with the link shadeslayer gave
[13:58] <mickster04> AceKing, ILL SEND U A SCREEN SHOT NOW
[13:58] <mickster04> oops sor
[13:58] <Buuntu> anyone?
[13:58] <mickster04> ry
[13:58] <patdk-lap> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2145 Broadcom Corp.
[13:58] <patdk-lap>  my built in bluetooth
[13:59] <patdk-lap> lspci -v | grep bluetooth
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ron273: wait,tell me first do the other sources get updated?
[13:59] <AceKing> mickster04: OK
[13:59] <patdk-lap> lsusb -v | grep bluetooth
[13:59] <patdk-lap> I mean
[13:59] <Armageddon> shadeslayer: nothing here !
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Armageddon: lemme see the man page
[13:59] <Armageddon> shadeslayer: dmesg shows it though
[13:59] <Wazzzaaa> Im now in a root shell and try follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD .     But after "grub-install /dev/sda" I get the error: Could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device
[14:00] <Wazzzaaa> any ideas?
[14:00] <mickster04> !pastebin
[14:00] <ron273> shadeslayer: the last line of the command output states: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[14:00] <shadeslayer> ron273: then please run that command
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Wazzzaaa: try : http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[14:01] <Wazzzaaa> ok...
[14:02] <mickster04> AceKing,  http://imagebin.org/69198
[14:02] <bobsapp> !grub
[14:03] <ron273> shadeslayer: It is running now. The first line was however: 'could not resolve host ubuntu', but it is now setting up and upfdating a whole bunch of stuff
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ron273: ok thats good
[14:03] <AceKing> mickster04: Did it automatically come up like that or did you do something to make it do that?
[14:04] <mickster04> AceKing, auto
[14:05] <ron273> shadeslayer: it is almost finished. It asks me if I should save hardware.conf or not
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ron273: say yes
[14:05] <ubuhantu> hi guys. i have a problem with java on karmic. im uploading photos on facebook and java is not working. i have installed java correctly. thank you.
[14:05] <vbabiy> Hey how can you move groups around in empathy?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ubuhantu: did you install : ubuntu-restricted-extras : ?
[14:06] <ubuhantu> shadeslayer : yes and sun-java6-plugin
[14:06] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[14:06] <thiebaude> ubuhantu: sun-java6-jre
[14:06] <shadeslayer> !java | ubuhantu
[14:07] <shadeslayer> ron273: done?
[14:07] <topyli> vbabiy, you can't. they're in alphabetical order
[14:08] <ron273> shadeslayer: It stil runs but I have the feeling that some things generate an error. I see some socket connection errors running by.
[14:08] <vbabiy> topyli, is this going to be changed?
[14:08] <om26er> where can i preorder ubuntu moblin remix
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ron273: we will have to deal with those later,we need the system fully upgraded first
[14:08] <topyli> vbabiy, i doubt they plan to make it configurable
[14:08] <bazhang> om26er, are you referring to shipit
[14:08] <om26er> bazhang: yes
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ron273: you are practically running on half a system right now :P
[14:09] <ubuhantu> shadeslayer : i try several browser from firefox, opera to chrome. its all the same. sun-java6-jre is installed. and i test the JVM on java site, says it is working.
[14:09] <AceKing> mickster04: I installed PlayOnLinux.. It's pretty cool
[14:09] <bazhang> om26er, did you check their website, not aware that was an option
[14:09] <ron273> shadeslayer: yep, and I thought it would be fun upgrading a perfectly food working system :)
[14:09] <ron273> shadeskayer: food = good
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ron273: i *always* prefer a clean install or a upgrade cd
[14:10] <om26er> bazhang: only desktop and server editition
[14:11] <ron273> shadeskayer: ok it now shows me a screen asking me what to do about /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ron273: install package maintainers version
[14:12] <ron273> shadeslayer: keep my own version or intall the new one?
[14:12] <ubuhantu> shadeslayer : is there any way to fix it? i used to have the same problem on jaunty but it's fixed with some update.
[14:12] <ron273> shadeslayer: Ok, done and stil running.....
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ubuhantu: hmm... i have no idea
[14:14] <ubuhantu> shadeslayer : ok thanks.
[14:14] <ron273> shadeslayer: aha, it says /proc/modules not found. Did I forget to mount a partition?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> ron273: whut?
[14:14] <mickster04> AceKing, yeah its quite usefull in some cases
[14:14] <ubuhantu> anybody else can help me with Java problems?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> that is out of my league..
[14:15] <ron273> shadeslayer: it is still running but along the way that error comes along a few times
[14:15] <Wazzzaaa> ubuhantu: what is the problem>
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ron273: yeah well have to ignore it as of now :(
[14:15] <AceKing> mickster04: Thanks for your help!
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ron273: some of the packages are still missing
[14:15] <Wazzzaaa> if it's a programming question you better go to #java...
[14:15] <ron273> shadeslayer: It is done. The scipt ended
[14:16] <Guest96296> meh, can anyone tell me how to boot ubuntu 9.10 from the windows bootloader ?
[14:16] <ubuhantu> Wazzzzaaa : i have a problem with java on karmic. im uploading photos on facebook and java is not working. i have installed java correctly.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> ron273: sudo apt-get update and then dist-upgade
[14:16] <chazco> Just tried 9.10, seems good (the TCP bug is finally fixed)... except that evtouch still crashes after a few taps. The bug report says this is solved, but the version listed is older than the one in the repos
[14:17] <Wazzzaaa> ubuhantu: define correctly
[14:17] <ron273> shadeslayer: are you sure I do not need to mount another partition?
[14:17] <Guest96296> chazco, what tcp bug ?
[14:17] <chazco> Since Ubuntu 7.10 certain websites were very, very slow. Could be fixed by changing tcp_window_scaling options introduced in 7.10. Guest96296
[14:18] <chazco> But it now works without the fixes :)
[14:18] <ubuhantu> Wazzzaaa : when i click upload more photos, java window doesn't start.
[14:18] <Guest96296> took quite a while to fix then, chazco >>
[14:18] <chazco> Guest96296 - Yep...
[14:19] <chazco> Once i get touchscreen support without crashes i'll finally have a fully supported system :)
[14:19] <Wazzzaaa> you restart your browser after installing java?
[14:20] <mickster04> yo in FF i can use 2 fingers as a scroll, but i have to use 3 fingers as the scroll click...whats with that?
[14:20] <ron273> shadeslayer: did you get my last question?
[14:20] <ubuhantu> Wazzzaaa : yes, and i try several browser firefox, opera, chrome, it's all the same. :(
[14:21] <Wazzzaaa> ubuhantu: type about:plugins in FF. do you see something like java ?
[14:21] <Wazzzaaa> or jre
[14:23] <EagleScreen> hi
[14:23] <EagleScreen> I need acrobar reader for ubuntu 64 bits
[14:23] <ubuhantu> Wazzzaaa : something like Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_15 ?
[14:24] <iceroot> EagleScreen: enable the canoncial-repo (partner) and then install acroread (i think it was the canoncial repo)
[14:25] <Wazzzaaa> yeah, that is what I have
[14:25] <Guest96296> how do i install grub2 to the partition (partition, NOT disk) and then chainload it from windows ?
[14:25] <ron273> shadeslayer: are you still there?
[14:26]  * Dr_Willis wonmders what 'the partition and not disk' means in this case..
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> it can go to  the MBR of the drive.. (sda) or the  partion itself (sda1)
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> Imnot sure the normal windows loader can chainload grub.
[14:26] <Guest96296> Dr_Willis, partition, how do i do that ? installer just let me disable the install to mbr
[14:26] <EagleScreen> the unique package i see with medibuntu and parther is acroread-fonts
[14:27] <Guest96296> Dr_Willis, but it can chainload grub4dos which can then hopefully chainload grub2
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> You have to use the alternative installer cd i think.. or at the very end of the installer there may be some menu item
[14:27] <ubuhantu> Wazzzaaa : what bout u? no problem in uploading photos?
[14:27] <Guest96296> ffs, thats some bs
[14:27] <Wazzzaaa> dunno, never tried it on facebook
[14:27] <Wazzzaaa> but i can run applets though
[14:28] <Wazzzaaa> ubuhantu: I cannot come into ubuntu atm, so I cannot help you much thouhg. Maybe in about an hour of so...
[14:28] <Wazzzaaa> you may pm me
[14:28] <ubuhantu> Wazzzaaa : ok i will. merci beaucoup..
[14:30] <ubuhantu> anybody else wiling to help?
[14:30] <EagleScreen> I need the Adobe reader plugin for Firefox
[14:32] <Wazzzaaa> ubuhantu: try another java applet and see if it has the same problem...
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking acrobat reader was no longer at the Medibuntu repos...
[14:35] <nar> j
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> k l m
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:36] <nar> :{
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[14:36] <nar> www.walla.co.il
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> http://drop.io/gpiggies
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> :P
[14:37]  * Dr_Willis is trying to sell off some of his wifes guinea pigs.. they are taking over the whole house.  :)
[14:37] <patdk-lap> sell off the wife :)
[14:37] <nar> }:[
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> too much of a loss for that..
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> :P
[14:38] <nar> :P
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> wow 5 people at the drop.io site
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> :0
[14:39] <nar> :P
[14:40] <nar> :i
[14:41] <VXxed> Is anyone available that can help me with my laptop fan issue?  I have it fully documented here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300733
[14:42] <Halabund> Hi!  I upgraded to the Karmic release candidate from Jaunty.  Now there is a leftover package, adobe-flashplugin, that cannot be removed because of an error.  Is there anything I could do about that?
[14:43] <Halabund> It says:
[14:43] <Halabund> "E: adobe-flashplugin: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2"
[14:43] <thiebaude> Halabund: i had that problem before and i had to install my alternate cd again
[14:44] <cassj> hi. just installed karmic and having a play with the ubuntuone stuff. Files and notes sync fine, but I can't get my evolution contacts to work. Anyone got this working?
[14:44] <thiebaude> Halabund: i bet it was trying to update adobe-flashplugin
[14:45] <x1101_work> hello all
[14:45] <Halabund> Another strange thing after the update is that if I turn the volume up, there is a constant monotonous noise that wasn't there on Jaunty.
[14:46] <thiebaude> Halabund: also after that error you get, there was no more flash content
[14:47] <Halabund> actually flash is working
[14:47] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[14:49] <palodequeso> I just installed the lastest Release Candidate of kubuntu karmic, and it seems that when I try to open a CMake project with kdevelop 4, it crashes, anyone else experiencing this?
[14:50] <joaopinto> I am not a kubuntu user :|
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> very few people are :)
[14:54]  * Blues-Man ciao
[14:56] <oneirosFade> Hey all.  Can't get Gnome to login - just dumps me back at the login screen. :(  Any thoughts?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> try 'startx' and look for error messages?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> try a new user.
[14:57] <oneirosFade> How can I startx if GDM automatically creates X sessions?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> sudo service gdm stop
[14:58] <oneirosFade> Ok
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> or was it sudo service stop gdm
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> one of those
[14:58] <oneirosFade> BBiaB
[14:58] <x1101_work> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> since X works.. it sounds like it might be a gnome config issue
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> x1101_work:  that does not work with Upstart  and 9.10 any more :)
[14:59] <x1101_work> Dr_Willis: sory, my bad I just started using 9.10 last night
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> :0
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> one reason ive been trying to teach everyone to use  the 'service' command
[15:00] <x1101_work> Dr_Willis: do you know anything about wireless issues after a suspend/resume?
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> suspend/resume = issues. :)
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> i never use suspend much
[15:01] <menzza> Dr_Willis: not always :)
[15:01] <x1101_work> i have a netbook, i like sus spsuend
[15:01] <x1101_work> oddly enough hibernate doesnt have the same issues
[15:05] <x1101_work> so I take that to mean the suspend/resume is still a known issue that is being looked at?
[15:06] <oneirosFade> Ok, so I stopped GDM, did startx, and the entire system hung.  Made a new user, tried to log in, same problem as my main user.
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> that indicates its not a gnome user config issue then..
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> odd..
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> has this system ever worked?
[15:09] <oneirosFade> Yeah, it was working fine up until last night when I did updates, trying to fix a Skype problem
[15:09] <cybersplice> I always tune in to find fun problems.
[15:11] <h00k> three more days.
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> then im taking 2 weeks off. :P
[15:12] <ubox> any news on easy internet connection sharing?
[15:12] <oneirosFade> I'd be tempted to reinstall the system from go, except the only net connection I have available for the next 6 months is wireless
[15:12] <ubox> in kde
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> ICS isent too hard to get goind.. but no idea onany kde specifc front ends to do it
[15:14] <billybigrigger> anyone here installed kubuntu-desktop yet in karmic?
[15:14] <billybigrigger> i installed kde beside gnome, used kdm as my login manager, and now when i log into gnome it uses kde's mouse theme
[15:16] <SchneeSchwarz> billybigrigger: sudo update-alternatives x-cursor-theme will let you switch the theme
[15:16] <ubox> hmm
[15:16] <billybigrigger> update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `x-cursor-theme'
[15:17] <billybigrigger> or did you mean 'x-cursor-theme' as in whatever theme i want i need to enter
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:   ive noticed when using kde + gnome - the 2 can get a little bit overlapped in some areas liek that
[15:17] <topyli> update-alternatives needs an argument, in this case --config
[15:17] <oneirosFade> So I'm guessing we collectively have no idea what the underlying problem is?
[15:18] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, yeah that's no good :P
[15:18] <SchneeSchwarz> billybigrigger: I forgot "--config", i. e.: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[15:18] <billybigrigger> i don't know why every release i ALWAYS give kde a go, and i never last more than 10 minutes...i just need to face the fact that i hate kde :P
[15:19] <billybigrigger> anyone know what the default theme is set to? core or whiteglass?
[15:19] <SchneeSchwarz> billybigrigger: DMZ-White
[15:20] <billybigrigger> awesome thanks SchneeSchwarz
[15:32] <ubuntistas> volume in karmic is not optimized well
[15:32] <Pici> Please clarify.
[15:33] <patdk-lap> works good for me :)
[15:33] <addisonj> anyone have problems with flash (64bit) after upgrade?
[15:33] <ubuntistas> well pici when i turn down the volume  it's going on mute before the output goes to zero.
[15:34] <patdk-lap> probably cause your audio buffer is too large
[15:35] <ubuntistas> so what does that mean ? ubuntu's effort is to be optimized well in all kind of pcs
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> or its a quirk in the alsa or pulse setup.  and not ubuntu specific.
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> I dont notice the same problem here. but i proberly got a different sound card
[15:40] <ubuntistas> anyway i just wanted to refer my annoyance
[15:40] <ubuntistas> or bug whatever it is called
[15:44] <mac_v> !lts
[15:46] <bjsnider> addisonj, just the opposite
[15:46] <dt3kk> will the RC be upgradable to the final?
[15:46] <bjsnider> yes, regular updates
[15:47] <bjsnider> just do the daily updates
[15:47] <dt3kk> ty
[15:48] <chazco> How can I solve a system crash that leaves the system totally unresponsive and nothing in the logs?
[15:48] <h00k> chazco: I'm having the same thing :)
[15:48] <basix> anybody tried installing Karmic on a MBP 5,5?? Is this installation report accurate? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic
[15:49] <h00k> chazco: you don't happen to have a Dell XPS M1530 with an nvidia 8600mgt, do you?
[15:49] <chazco> h00k - Nope... its the evtouch driver, but i can't pin it down any further than that
[15:49] <h00k> chazco: yeah, I can't even pin it down to driver
[15:49] <h00k> basix: I would imagine thats pretty accurate
[15:50] <x1101_work> so I think I missed the answer to this already but is there a built in way to update the beta to RC to final?
[15:50] <Byron> Hello everyone
[15:50] <mbeierl> chazco: I've got the same question - but for my 9.04 system.  The OS just hangs hard, no logs, nothing.
[15:50] <h00k> x1101_work: just do your daily updates
[15:50] <x1101_work> h00k: thanks, I shall
[15:50] <h00k> x1101_work: and it'll do its thing
[15:50] <chazco> mbeierl - Yep, this happens in 9.04 too
[15:50] <x1101_work> btw, has anyone seen the new method of adding PPA's? its amazing
[15:51] <chazco> Just the touchscreen issue left before Ubuntu actually supports my system
[15:51] <ck773> there's a new method?
[15:51] <Byron> I've got no OS now. I'm stuck in limbo where I can't upgrade to 9.10 or downgrade back to 9.04.
[15:51] <LogicalDash> Empathy isn't importing my Pidgin buddies. I click Import and it clearly reads the accounts.xml file, it displays all my account names correctly, but then I click Add and they don't show up in the Empathy buddies window.
[15:51] <chazco> Only tried 9.10 today but aside from that it's going pretty well
[15:51] <porter1> x1101_work? Which new method?
[15:51] <Byron> Is there something I can do to revert or force the upgrade?
[15:51] <h00k> LogicalDash: your 'buddies' are stored server-side, usually, make sure the accounts are 'enabled'
[15:52] <patdk-lap> LogicalDash, it shouldn't IMPORT them :)
[15:52] <basix> h00k, how? According to this ubuntuforums post, its not accurate. Here is the google cache link since the original one wont work (http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:5ByjpgfVTLgJ:ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1289576+ubuntu+9.10+on+macbookpro+5,5&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
[15:52] <LogicalDash> h00k, 'enabled' in Empathy?
[15:52] <mbeierl> wt...?  I just lost the ability to use my mouse in 9.10 here.  I can move the mouse, and see the pointer moving, but clicks no longer work, I cannot move windows, I cannot change focus...
[15:52] <x1101_work> you can now just do add-apt-repositroy ppa:x where x is the app/team
[15:52] <drbobb> hello, my Karmic install is having problems restoring from hibernation. ie. it doesn't. no problem with suspend to ram, hibernation used to work fine in jaunty. Might grub2 be the culprit?
[15:52] <LogicalDash> because I go to the Empathy accounts window and don't see anything
[15:52] <h00k> basix: well, I guess its not then.
[15:53] <patdk-lap> drbobb, not a grub think
[15:53] <patdk-lap> the kernel/initram handles hibernation
[15:53] <patdk-lap> grub thing
[15:53] <drbobb> patdk-lap: any suggestions about what to check?
[15:53] <porter1> Byron, what's wrong in this 'limbo' you describe?
[15:53] <LogicalDash> so yeah, Empathy isn't importing my *accounts*
[15:53] <robin0800> mbeierl: yes i've had that too no idea what causes it though
[15:53] <mbeierl> anyone else lose mouse functionality?!?
[15:53] <LogicalDash> never mind buddies
[15:53] <basix> h00k, is there a definitive way of finding out if ubuntu works on MBP 13 5,5 ?
[15:54] <mbeierl> robin0800: any idea how to get it back?  Tried restarting compiz, that's not the culprit :(
[15:54] <h00k> basix: probably  either google or give it a shot, perhaps consider updating the page if you find otherwis
[15:54] <LogicalDash> I guess I could just transcribe them from the accounts file but I really shouldn't have to.
[15:54] <patdk-lap> drbobb, make sure it's configured right, /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[15:54] <basix> h00k, i am planning to purchase a MBP and wont purchase it if Ubuntu wont work...
[15:54] <drbobb> patdk-lap: in principle you're right, as concerns hibernation, but restoring does take a little cooperation from grub, doesn't it?
[15:54] <patdk-lap> it should point to your swap *partition*
[15:54] <Byron> porter1: I can't upgrade because of libgnomevfs2-common_1%3a2.24.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb and libgnome2-common_2.28.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb. "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[15:55] <patdk-lap> drbobb, NO
[15:55] <Byron> It always hangs there and I can't proceed with an upgrade. I have no GUI just root shell.
[15:55] <porter1> Byron, have you checked the logs for any other help regrafing the error?
[15:55] <robin0800> mbeierl: Hat to do a restart but it's like only once a day thing
[15:55] <h00k> basix: I have no idea.
[15:55] <basix> h00k, i've googled a lot and very few posts have actually turned up. The main problem is that I can compile a custom kernel and put in the latest ALSA snapshot to get stuff working but I'd rather avoid it as future updates from Ubuntu might screw up the custom installs...
[15:56] <Byron> porter1: No, I have not. I tried 'aptitude upgrade' and it seemingly fixed dependencies, but I'm still back to square one with the upgrade.
[15:56] <h00k> basix: are you going to get a mpb and dual boot it with OSX?
[15:56] <basix> h00k, yup...
[15:56] <drbobb> patdk-lap: ok to add one more variable, my swap is on a lvm volume. might that be an issue?
[15:57] <patdk-lap> drbobb, dunno, but probably
[15:57] <Byron> porter1: How do I check the log?
[15:57] <drbobb> it wasn't with jaunty
[15:57] <patdk-lap> not sure when lvm is mounted, if it's not soon enough, and the kernel doesn't see the swap
[15:57] <patdk-lap> never done a lvm swap + hibernation
[15:57] <drbobb> what might have changed?
[15:57] <h00k> ubuntuforums is down, the server error page looks very windowsy
[15:57] <porter1> Byron, if you have access to a GUI, you can try looking in System->Administration->Log File Viewer
[15:58] <Byron> porter1: Nope, no GUI.
[15:58] <patdk-lap> no idea, I use a random encrypted swap drive, so hibernation won't work for me :)
[15:58] <patdk-lap> drbobb, what was in that resume file?
[15:58] <Byron> porter1: I think its worth mentioning. My desktop froze during the upgrade. I rebooted and this is where I am now.
[15:58] <drbobb> hibernation happens to be a pretty key feature for me
[15:58] <patdk-lap> I find hibernation takes longer than to just boot
[15:59] <drbobb> patdk-lap: yes but it restores state
[15:59] <porter1> Byron, ok, try first `sudo apt-get update` and then `sudo apt-get upgrade`
[15:59] <patdk-lap> yes, but I have too much ram, hibernation takes WAY TO LONG :)
[15:59] <Byron> porter1: Done that. Still back to the same error message with the 2 packages.
[15:59] <drbobb> patdk-lap: if you look at the time needed to restore that state manually you're still saving
[16:00] <patdk-lap> plus, restoring state with encrypted drives is just evil, you don't want to restore it :)
[16:00] <drbobb> not talking about a highpowered server of course, just a laptop
[16:00] <patdk-lap> ya, my laptop, with a quadcore cpu and 8gigs ram :)
[16:01] <porter1> Byron, logs are stored in /var/log
[16:01] <tapia> Hi
[16:01] <Byron> porter1: Ok. Which log am I going for?
[16:01] <tapia> I can't install glade-2 in karmic
[16:01] <drbobb> the dir /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ is empty on my sysem
[16:01] <tapia> Is it deprecated or something?
[16:01] <porter1> You might see something more about the error in syslog, or messages
[16:02] <patdk-lap> drbobb, defently an issue
[16:02] <h00k> basix: I'd say give it a shot, feel free to update the documentation
[16:02] <porter1> Byron, user.log might also contain the error.
[16:02] <drbobb> patdk-lap: if there was ever anything in it, i for sure didn't remove it
[16:02] <basix> h00k, i dont want to fork for a large wad of cash for a MBP which wont let me run Ubuntu
[16:03] <basix> s/for/off
[16:03] <h00k> basix: this is also a good point.
[16:03] <patdk-lap> drbobb, i ONLY have two things in there
[16:03] <patdk-lap> resume and mdadm, I can understand why no mdadm
[16:03] <basix> h00k, so we dont have any MBP users in here? that speaks a lot...
[16:03] <Byron> porter1: The last few entries show from last night "hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1"
[16:04] <h00k> basix: it looks like it might be a pain, yeah, some steps say they're required after every kernel update
[16:04] <patdk-lap> drbobb, try making a file called resume in there, with one line: RESUME=/dev/VG0/swap
[16:04] <porter1> Byron, I'm noy sure if that's related.
[16:04] <patdk-lap> or whatever your swap is
[16:05] <h00k> basix: perhaps consider getting an intel laptop and make a hackintosh
[16:05] <drbobb> patdk-lap: ok I see what the resume file contains on my old install, i haven't nuked it yet
[16:05] <patdk-lap> then do a 'update-initramfs -u'
[16:05] <porter1> Byron, you can also try `sudo apt-get -F install` and `dpkg --configure -a`
[16:05] <basix> h00k, i dont want to run OS X AT ALL!
[16:05] <porter1> I mean `sudo apt-get -f install`
[16:05] <basix> h00k, i'm not planning to purchase a MBP for OS X. I just want the hardware
[16:05] <h00k> basix: oh, you just wanted that hardware
[16:06] <basix> h00k, yes :)
[16:06] <drbobb> patdk-lap: it names the swap device by UUID, and i'm still using the same swap device, so i can just copy it over
[16:06] <patdk-lap> yep
[16:06] <h00k> basix: well, you can get an intel laptop of considerable power for usually less cost than a mpb
[16:06] <patdk-lap> just make sure that uuid exists in /dev/disk/by-uuid though
[16:06] <basix> h00k, i couldn't find a manufacturer who could give good build quality and warranty.. dell sucks
[16:06] <h00k> basix: consider system76
[16:06] <drbobb> patdk-lap: thanx for pointing me in the right direction, it may well be my prob. is solved
[16:06] <basix> h00k, what about the screen. can i get a great mac like screen?
[16:06] <h00k> basix: http://system76.com/
[16:07] <h00k> basix: perhaps specifically http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=89
[16:07] <Byron> porter1: `apt-get -f install` came back with the same error. `dpkg --configure -a` didn't really do anything. I see a list of a few packages, but I can't "scroll up" to see the reason for this list.
[16:08] <h00k> basix: my next hardware will be from system76
[16:08] <basix> h00k, 4 cell battery? I'm on a 13" dell with a 9 cell battery...
[16:08] <h00k> basix: you can get a battery  upgrade
[16:08] <h00k> basix: Extra 8 Cell Smart Li-ION Battery
[16:09] <basix> h00k, how good is the hardware and the screen? I hate screens with dead pixels or  washed out screens
[16:09] <porter1> Byron, could you also try checking dpkg.log?
[16:09] <Byron> porter1: I just did
[16:09] <h00k> basix: I haven't used one yet, I have heard good things
[16:10] <Byron> porter1: I was about to tell you it looks corrupted. I don't have a plain text output. I have weird characters and blocks.
[16:10] <h00k> basix: I'm sure they have some sort of dead pixel policy, I don't know it, perhaps ask them
[16:10] <basix> h00k, its gonna cost me $1342. MBP costs about the same :/ Why go for System 76 then?
[16:10] <porter1> byron, the main dpkg.log, not the gzipped ones?
[16:10] <nekohayo_> anyone else getting apport wanting to report bugs to launchpad on each sleep resume?
[16:11] <nekohayo_> and more importantly, launchpad being unable to process the report
[16:11] <Byron> porter1: As a matter of fact, it's messed up my entire prompt. `cat /var/log/dpkg.log` is what I ran.
[16:11] <h00k> basix: 1) you know for sure it will work, 2) you're not paying extra for an OS you won't use 3) they are very good to the linux (specifically) Ubuntu community
[16:12] <porter1> Byron, it's pretty long. You might want to use nano instead
[16:12] <porter1> if it's borked your terminal, press enter once and then use the command clear
[16:12] <basix> h00k, but its very costly. i can get the same hardware from dell for a lot less. Specifically $300 less with better GFX card
[16:12] <h00k> basix: also, they have the sweet ubuntu logo on the back of the monitor :D
[16:13] <basix> h00k, hehe
[16:13] <porter1> `nano /var/log/dpkg.log`
[16:13] <Byron> porter1: Well, nano keeps it clean so that's a plus.
[16:13] <porter1> :)
[16:13] <h00k> basix: this is true, i suppose you probably could (from Dell)
[16:13] <Byron> porter1: How can I tail the last 20 lines to pastebinit?
[16:14] <basix> h00k, i'm worried about the screen... i cant even find reviews for it. any idea if they will match the price from dell?
[16:14] <h00k> basix: not sure, you'd have to check from them
[16:14] <basix> hmm
[16:14] <h00k> basix: http://system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=24
[16:14] <porter1> byron, you can use the lynx browser and then paste it somehow
[16:15] <porter1> Sorry, someone else might know a netter method?
[16:15] <drbobb> ok, gonna test hibernation.
[16:15] <Ian_Corne> tail -n 20 | pastebincommand
[16:15] <Ian_Corne> ?
[16:15] <Ian_Corne> tail -n 20 <file> | pastebincommand
[16:15] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pastebin
[16:15] <h00k> consider ^
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> tail -n 20 <file> | pastebinit
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> should do what you want to do :p
[16:16] <porter1> Ian_Corne, thanks :)
[16:16] <porter1> python to the rescue
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> python?
[16:16] <Byron> Ian_Corne: Thanks.
[16:18] <basix> h00k, how about heat issues with this laptop?
[16:18] <h00k> basix: no idea, I don't have one, I haven't heard of anything regarding that
[16:19] <reagleBRKLN> i upgrade to karmic, also switched to using amd64, and one of (but not all) of my java apps won't work. it says java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/reagle/bin/sunrise-0.42j/libswt-pi-gtk-3206.so: /home/reagle/bin/sunrise-0.42j/libswt-pi-gtk-3206.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
[16:19] <reagleBRKLN> any idea how to fix?
[16:19] <basix> h00k, do you know anybody who has it?
[16:19] <reagleBRKLN> i have java-common and sun-java6-bin and sun-java6jre installed
[16:19] <h00k> basix: specifically no, just in passing in some of the rooms, which: I won't remember
[16:19] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, change java providers
[16:20] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: any recommendation?
[16:20] <reagleBRKLN> i know very little about java, just use the odd app here and there
[16:20] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, how did you upgrade from 32 to 64?
[16:20] <reagleBRKLN> clean install
[16:20] <basix> h00k, i had considered it but i really want to avoid any manufacturer who uses horrible lcds. i'd rather recompile my kernel every time we had an update but i'd not use a laptop with a shitty lcd ( *hint* dell *hint* )
[16:20] <h00k> basix: perhaps ##hardware, #ubuntu,
[16:21] <patdk-lap> heh, the dells I have used have much better lcd's than hp laptops
[16:21] <h00k> basix: I have a nice LCD on my Dell, it depends on what you get
[16:21] <basix> patdk-lap, lenovo < hp < dell < apple
[16:21] <BluesKaj> my elcheapo acer laptop has a great lcd screen , quite surprising really
[16:21] <patdk-lap> my lenovo lcd is good, never had issue with it
[16:21] <basix> h00k, my dell had a good lcd until its warranty ran out. After the expiry it developed horrible dead ixels
[16:22] <basix> patdk-lap, what model do u have?
[16:22] <patdk-lap> t61
[16:22] <h00k> I have an XPS M1530 and I like the LCD on it, I think I'm going to upgrade someday and get a system76
[16:23] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, you installed java after clean installing?
[16:23] <h00k> plus, I like where my money goes with the,
[16:23] <h00k> *them
[16:23] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: yea
[16:23] <Byron> porter1: I don't have network connectivity to even pastebin.
[16:23] <shadeslayer> h00k: same system here :)
[16:23] <reagleBRKLN> install sun-java6-jre
[16:23] <basix> h00k, Is the LCD resting on the keyboard? :O http://system76.com/popup_image.php?pID=76&image=2
[16:23] <shadeslayer> h00k: whats the make of the LCD? Samsung or LG ?
[16:23] <h00k> shadeslayer: good question, not sure
[16:23] <basix> LG is 100x better than samsung screen
[16:23] <h00k> basix: perhaps there are pads, I don't kknow, ask them
[16:24] <shadeslayer> basix: true
[16:24] <h00k> shadeslayer: do you have a problem with Karmic and having intermittend kernel panics?
[16:24] <porter1> Byron, your network connectivity broke?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> basix: i have a SEC and its not that crappy
[16:24] <h00k> *Intermittent
[16:24] <porter1> Or is internet not available?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> h00k: nope
[16:24] <shadeslayer> nope..
[16:24] <h00k> shadeslayer: I'm having spastic kernel panics and I can't track it down.
[16:24] <monte48lowes> is anyone else having issues with Acer laptops and CPU fans while running karmic?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> everything works fine here
[16:24] <basix> shadeslayer, i ended up with a horrible lcd from lenovo made by samsung. then i got it replaced with a lcd panel which was better but had dead pixel. WTF!
[16:24] <Buuntu> does an upgrade to Karmic also upgrade the kernel?
[16:24] <basix> karmic's kernel has been stable for me though
[16:24] <Byron> porter1: Either that or I never had it.
[16:25] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, try this. install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package, which grabs ia32libs and so forth too
[16:25] <shadeslayer> basix: lol.... well i had a LG panel and it got these Streaks all over it in 3 monts
[16:25] <Buuntu> yes?\
[16:25] <shadeslayer> *months
[16:25] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: i have it
[16:25] <basix> shadeslayer, they are ****** losers
[16:25] <h00k> shadeslayer: I've resorted to ssh -X'ing from my netbook, it works fine, just when I start using it it freezes
[16:25] <reagleBRKLN> and java freemind works, but not the one i reported above
[16:25] <porter1> Byron, well, you can either try getting the errors copied by hand out, or you could try backing up the contents of your home folder and reinstalling
[16:25] <shadeslayer> h00k: whats the hardware?
[16:26] <Byron> porter1: I get a recovery menu, but pressing the down arrow just gives me the finger and loads the root shell.
[16:26] <h00k> shadeslayer: XPS M1530, 3gb ram, nvidia 8600m GT
[16:26] <x1101_work> Byron: does it really give you the finger?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> h00k: exact same config... T8100 i guess?
[16:26] <x1101_work> Byron: because that souds like a violation of the CoC
[16:26] <porter1> ASCII middle are all the new rage as error messages nowadays :P
[16:26] <Byron> x1101_work: Yes. It's high-def ASCII ;)
[16:26] <h00k> shadeslayer: hang on...I forget
[16:27]  * basix loves Karmic
[16:27] <shadeslayer> h00k: how can you? :o
[16:27] <h00k> :p
[16:27] <shadeslayer> h00k: i mean its the best notebook ever :P
[16:27] <porter1> Byron, which packages again did you say error?
[16:27] <x1101_work> Byron: how do I reproduce this bug again ;)
[16:27] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, then you might have to manually start the 32 bit apps with the ia32libs java app
[16:27] <shadeslayer> (leaving out the crappy build...)
[16:27] <h00k> shadeslayer: except when it kernel panics all the dime, basically rendering it unusable except for headless stuffs.
[16:28] <shadeslayer> h00k: hmm
[16:28] <Byron> porter1: libgnome2-common and libgnomevfs2-common
[16:28] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: what is ia32libs java app?
[16:28] <h00k> shadeslayer: ssh'ing in to see proc
[16:29] <shadeslayer> h00k: okies
[16:29] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, which is probably something like /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-javaxxxx
[16:29]  * shadeslayer doesnt know ssh..
[16:29] <Byron> x1101_work: I'm trying to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and during the upgrade of necessary packages, the desktop froze. Haven't been able to do anything since then to upgrade.
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Byron: try : ctrl+alt+F1
[16:29] <shadeslayer> h00k: im running out of time!! quick :P
[16:30] <Byron> shadeslayer: I have no GUI. I'm already in TTY1
[16:30] <h00k> shadeslayer: hang on, dang University and net login
[16:30] <shadeslayer> h00k: hehe :)
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Byron: try : sudo killall gdm (for gnome)
[16:30] <Byron> shadeslayer: No GUI running.
[16:31] <porter1> Byron, have you tried removing and then adding libgnome2-common?
[16:31] <h00k> shadeslayer: T7250
[16:31] <bjsnider> reagleBRKLN, it's likely /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-sun-java6-bin
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Byron: ok then check your sources and replace jaunty with karmic,then : apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:31] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: no such file on my system
[16:31] <Byron> porter1: Yes. I was about to try again right now but didn't know if maybe you would have another thing for me to try prior to doing that.
[16:32] <shadeslayer> h00k: oh,i guess thats the problem... you CPU :)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> *your
[16:32] <h00k> shadeslayer: ...I hope not, actually. I should run CPUBURN or something
[16:32] <patdk-lap> I have always had better luck doing, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:32] <drbobb> yep, restore from hibernation worked fine this time around
[16:32] <porter1> Byron, well, I've been looking for a related bug...
[16:32] <ubox> has anyone got an hp with media remote? does it work?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> h00k: well all our h/w is same except for the cpu
[16:32] <h00k> shadeslayer: I know my memory is okay, the HD SMART status says its okay
[16:32] <reagleBRKLN> installing ia32-sun-java6-bin
[16:33] <reagleBRKLN> bjsnider: worked, thanks a lot!
[16:34] <aim1159> hello!
[16:34] <porter1> Byron, it might fix a dependency issue with the package
[16:34] <aim1159> have anyone faced with the ext3 fs problems on 9.10?
[16:34] <aim1159> http://nopaste.com/p/aPWwALVM7
[16:34] <aim1159> sda1, sda3 - ext4, sdb1 - ext3, sdc1 - ext4
[16:35] <h00k> aim1159: thats a USB device problem, not necessarily ext3
[16:35] <shadeslayer> aim1159: all of us probably use ext4
[16:35] <patdk-lap> I'm using ext3, no issues
[16:35] <ubox> or maybe any ir remote?
[16:35] <Byron> porter1: They have been removed. Should I `apt-get install` them or try to upgrade?
[16:35] <patdk-lap> dunno when I will ugprade to ext4
[16:35] <reagleBRKLN> ah... got another ELF error, let me see...
[16:35] <h00k> aim1159: notice the I/O error, it could be a hardware problem.
[16:35] <porter1> Well, are you still connected to the internet?
[16:36] <ron273> shadeslayer: I finally got the system to boot into Karmic. Update process completed succesfukly. Only had to fix menu.lst to reflect proper drives. Thanks for your help
[16:36] <Byron> porter1: Let's find out.
[16:36] <porter1> :P
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ron273: yeah i was wondering :)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ron273: power outage killed my modem
[16:36] <Byron> porter1: Nope.
[16:37] <ron273> that's allright. I completed the task and consider myself a Ubuntu-ninja from now on, thanks to you! :)
[16:37] <bjsnider> aim1159, looks like a bad drive to me
[16:37] <porter1> Hm. Then try to install them normally using apt-get
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ron273: lol.... everyones a ninja here,they just need to discover their power :)
[16:37] <Byron> porter1: How if I have no internet?
[16:37] <porter1> Byron, the packages should still be cached locally if they were tecently installed
[16:37] <aim1159> the problem is that I have two other drives with exactly the same problem. badblocks and mhdd see nothing
[16:38] <porter1> if not, you'll know :)
[16:38] <Byron> porter1: I deleted them just moments ago
[16:38] <bjsnider> aim1159, two other physical drives?
[16:38] <porter1> Byron, but they're still sroed in apt-cache of whatever it's called
[16:39] <porter1> regardless of whether you uninstall them
[16:39] <Byron> porter1: I deleted them from /var/cache/apt/archives
[16:39] <porter1> :o
[16:39] <aim1159> bjsnider: yes. one small 2.5 and yet another one 5.25
[16:39] <aim1159> all have ext3. don't think that they become broken at one same time
[16:40] <bjsnider> aim1159, did this happen when you installed or upgraded karmic?
[16:40] <aim1159> more over: they phisically placed in different locations - 2 at work and one here
[16:40] <porter1> Byron, at this point, I'd recommend you backup and reinstall, or you can try to bring the packages over manually using a flash drive. Unless someone here can help?
[16:40] <h00k> aim1159: I've had similar problems, they were bad drives, the I/O error is usually indicative
[16:40] <darthanubis> forums are down, and smbtree returns nothing
[16:40] <aim1159> this happen when i did  fresh karmic install a week ago (all updates for today installed)
[16:40] <darthanubis> however my shares are working and seen by all PC
[16:41] <aim1159> h00k: i know - that's why I did mhdd test first, before asking here
[16:41] <bjsnider> aim1159, maybe your installation media had errors
[16:42] <Byron> porter1: How about this: I want to partition the drive from 1TB to have a 25GB for '/' where I can do a fresh install of 9.04 and then leave the current partition as /home without formatting. Do you think that will work?
[16:42] <bjsnider> Byron, the 25gb has to be at the start of the drive
[16:43] <Byron> :(
[16:43]  * patdk-lap is still annoying and uses a <500meg boot drive, just incase
[16:43] <bjsnider> i think it's a grub2 issue
[16:43] <porter1> Byron, it might be pretty difficult. Is your current /home in a separate partition?
[16:43] <h00k> bjsnider: no it doesn't have to be at the start
[16:43] <Byron> porter1: Nope. I have it all on a single drive
[16:44] <bjsnider> h00k, i thought someone said last night that grub2 needs the boot partition to be at the start
[16:44] <aim1159> bjsnider: and how could it lead to disk errors?
[16:44] <h00k> bjsnider: oh, grub2 has to be on the mbr, i thought you were talking about /
[16:44] <bjsnider> aim1159, if the kernel you installed was damaged then there would be various problems
[16:44] <bjsnider> h00k, i was
[16:45] <Byron> I'm tempted to go out and get a new 1TB and then just xfer my /home from the current drive, then just use the current drive (after a successful backup) for storage.
[16:45] <bjsnider> i thought someone said last night that grub2 wants / to be at the start of the drive right next to the mbr
[16:45] <mbeierl> anyone here use pam group?
[16:45] <h00k> bjsnider: I could be wrong
[16:45] <h00k> bjsnider: I'm not very familiar with grub2 yet
[16:45] <bjsnider> h00k, so could i
[16:46] <bjsnider> there might be an open bug for it
[16:46] <Byron> bjsnider: I didn't think it had to be at the start of the drive. What errors would arise?
[16:46] <darthanubis> smbtree returns nothing, but my shares are working and seen for now by all machines linux and windows. Windows sees the shares all the time, linux sometimes cannot browse the shares via nautilus or dolphin. Yet, findsmb and browsing using smb//ipadress always work?
[16:46] <darthanubis> I believe once the windows machines are down. nautilus and dolphin work fine. The minute a windows machine is on the network, they break. I wonder if the windows machines and linux boxes are fighting to see who the master browser actually is?
[16:47] <aim1159> bjsnider: i've said - installed updates. this mean the kernel updates too. this is a new kernel and new modules. not from the media.
[16:47] <aim1159> it's not a problem with main hdd with os - it's a problem with external ext3 drives
[16:53] <bjsnider> h00k, i guess there's no root requirement for grub2, at least i can't find a bug
[16:54] <Byron> I think I'm going to buy a 1TB drive right now and start over, then transfer thing over. Is there a way for me to obtain a list of my installed packages?
[16:55] <bullhorn> so.. are sound issues common with 9.10?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, i suggest you try openssh , it uses sftp and works well between linux machines as long as you have their IPs listed in /etc/hosts
[16:57] <kindofabuzz> getting odd cpu spikes (%100) at times for several minutes with nothing open
[16:57] <darthanubis> BluesKaj, I did mention I have a mixed network of Windows machines. Otherwise why use samba at all.
[16:57] <bullhorn> i just checked the update manager, since yesterday there is a new pulseaudio updates
[16:58] <EagleScreen> Byron: it may be in any Synaptic option
[16:58] <yofel> Byron: try 'dpkg --get-selections | grep install'
[16:58] <bullhorn> perhaps my sound issue is known? out of the blue for no reason, the sound was gone
[16:58] <timber> i'm having a problem with the screenshot program...no file is saved in the folder that i choose
[16:59] <Byron> yofel: Thanks!
[16:59] <Barridus> is it possible to go back to grub1 (grub-legacy?) if i'm running ext4?  and if it is, is it an easy thing to accomplish?
[16:59] <timber> all files are saved on the desktop
[17:00] <Cyberkilla> \quit
[17:00] <EagleScreen> Barridus: I think yes
[17:00] <kindofabuzz> hmm the high cpu was from a pic i had in print que to an offline printer... known bug?
[17:02]  * Blues-Man thinking : Maven on a Celeron = Suicide
[17:08] <bjsnider> gnome-shell does not have immediate access to the preferences/administration menus
[17:10] <erry> Hi..
[17:10] <erry> i have this: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04f2:b008 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd USB 2.0 Camera
[17:10] <erry> and it no longer works in ubuntu 9.10
[17:10] <erry> :3
[17:13] <_akahige_> I'm trying to sort out an audio control issue... the toolbar volume control button will control the output volume to my headphones, but not to my speakers. don't know if this is a bug, or some kind of setting I missed
[17:14] <astrojp> I wonder why my menu icons have disappeared after updating to 9.10? Like, when I right click on my Desktop to display my menu there's no icon beside the text, though some of Gnomes icons show up in other places.
[17:14] <aim1159> finally it looks like usb issue...
[17:15] <IndyGunFreak> astrojp, there was a setting for that, and i can't remember where it was
[17:15] <_bt> _akahige_: right click the volume button, hit sound preferences. select the output tab and then change "connector" at the bottom to reflect which output you want to control.
[17:15] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, samba can be used alongside ssh , that's how I connect to our windows machines , but I use ssh to connect between our linux machines , because it's more stable.
[17:15] <hsarci> what is the name of the package that has the fast user switch applet?
[17:17] <IndyGunFreak> astrojp, system/pref/appearances... then "Interface Tab"... then check "Show Icons in Menus"
[17:17] <erry> hai
[17:17] <ubuhantu> hello.. java applets are freezing on karmic, how can i fix it? thanks :)
[17:19] <mbeierl> anyone with advice on nvidia twinview and laptops?  I'd like to be able to easily switch between having both monitors enabled and just the laptop.  I used to do this through hand-crafted meta-modes in xorg, and then toggle with xrandr -s, but I'm wondering if there is a better way.  Since upgrading to Karmic, the meta mode handling is a little ... wonky.
[17:19] <hsarci> does anyone have any idea why rythmbox would open on boot eventhough i tell it not to?
[17:20] <patdk-lap> you didn't threaten it?
[17:20] <mzz> hsarci: wild guess: some plugged in storage device is detected as a media player
[17:20] <mbeierl> hsarci: it might be set to auto open when music media is detected?
[17:20] <erry> HELLO
[17:20] <_akahige_> _bt: thanks. one more question: if the device being controlled is the headset, there is much more of a volume range than if the headset is being used while the speakers are the selected output device. is that normal? and is there a more convenient way to switch between the two?
[17:20] <erry> i have this: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04f2:b008 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd USB 2.0 Camera
[17:20] <mzz> hsarci: perhaps make sure nothing in system -> preferences -> file management -> media is set up to open rhythmbox without asking
[17:20] <erry> and it no longer works
[17:21] <_bt> sorry i am unsure
[17:21] <Etu> geh... sitll having a bug with qtruby
[17:22] <IndyGunFreak> astrojp, did you figure it out?
[17:22] <_akahige_> _bt: no worries. you were a big help. I'll do some diggin
[17:23] <Etu> http://pastebin.com/m41b2bc82 <--- The code I try to run is avibale here: http://cuby.m68k.se/
[17:24] <mbeierl> any nvidia and twinview users here?
[17:25] <Buuntu> can someone help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300719
[17:27] <IndyGunFreak> mbeierl, i use twinview and nvidia.
[17:27] <IndyGunFreak> the xorg problem?
[17:28] <IndyGunFreak> mbeierl, whats the prob w/ twinview/
[17:32] <IndyGunFreak> mbeierl, whats wrong w/ twinview?
[17:32] <IndyGunFreak> eh, screw it...lol
[17:33] <aim1159> what does nominate for release launchpad bugtracker subsytem button do?
[17:36] <xorred> diskcheck is broken in 9.10 rc!
[17:37] <xorred> I rebooted my sistem once, and now its hanging on 0% checking all the time
[17:37] <mbeierl> IndyGunFreak: sorry - testing different configs.  My problem with twinview is that the primary log in screen shows on the external monitor - have a laptop here
[17:37] <xorred> blinking at 0%
[17:37] <mbeierl> IndyGunFreak: and I want to be able to use xrandr to switch between having external monitor on and off.  I just can't get a config that works nicely
[17:38] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, well i'm not that familiar w/ it, i just set up my dual screens and everything works... isn't that a option there to make on of the displays "primary"? (I'm on my laptop right now, ,my PC is the dual screen)
[17:38] <bjsnider> does esata not work?
[17:39] <jwfoxjr> has anyone here been experience epic failures with systems that have an ATI SB600 USB controller in them?
[17:39] <mbeierl> IndyGunFreak: yes, but the gdm login screen appears to ignore it :(
[17:39] <jwfoxjr> I've been having hit and miss problems with devices not showing up or timing out while in use.
[17:39] <IndyGunFreak> mbeierl, hmm, no logical explanation there, it always shows up on my left hand monitor no problem.
[17:47] <alexis_> hi! i cannot use my dvb usb card now with the 2.6.31* kernel compiled in karmic. (artec t1 with dvb-usb-dibusb-an2235-01.fw firware worked very well in hardy )
[17:47] <alexis_> how can i do to enable  DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MB_FAULTY in the kernel
[17:47] <cbsd> i have seen some ss about ubuntu 9.10 beta release, on every ss has a dockbar so, i was wondering is that dockbar included on ubuntu 9.10 or the user has to installed?
[17:48] <leaf-sheep> cbsd: What dockbar? Show the SS.
[17:49] <coz_> cbsd,   hey guy...if you mean  cairo dock or awn  no it is not by default
[17:49] <cbsd> ok thanks coz_
[17:49] <coz_> cbsd,  do you have a link to any of the screenshots?  I can tell you which it is
[17:50] <coz_> cbsd,  you do have a choice   cairo dock...awn..kiba dock  or gnome-do docky  and they are in the order of complexity and configuration
[17:51] <coz_> cbsd,  although daniel is not back so kiba dock should be picking up real soon :)
[17:51] <cbsd> mmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYgWE6Svpag
[17:51] <coz_> cbsd,  rather daniel "IS back :)
[17:51] <cbsd> on that video u can see the dock
[17:51] <cbsd> xD
[17:51] <coz_> cbsd,  hold on let me look
[17:51] <cbsd> i dont remember the links where i saw the ss
[17:51] <cbsd> ok :)
[17:52] <coz_> cbsd,   I dont see him usin git so it actually could be any of them but not gnome-do docky... if you are wanting a highly configurable dock I suggest  cairo dock if you have an nvidia card  if not then go with awn
[17:53] <coz_> cbsd,  although cairo dock will work without opengl on any card
[17:53] <cbsd> nice :), thanks for the info coz_ :)
[17:54] <coz_> cbsd,  no problem if you want cairo dock you can meet me in #cairo-dock channel :)
[17:54] <mbeierl> ok, so given the least painful config - for a laptop that I want to be able to easily switch between two and one displays, I have to have it configured to use laptop display only as its first meta-mode, with laptop and external as second meta mode.  This allows the login screen to show on the laptop so if there is no external monitor I can still see to log in.
[17:55] <coz_> mbeierl,  sounds right :)
[17:55] <mbeierl> only problem is that the GDM display will pan through the full 3120x1050 on the laptop until I log in and toggle the display a few times
[17:55] <coz_> ooo
[17:55] <mbeierl> ya.
[17:56] <mbeierl> seems the new GDM is really not twinview friendly at all.
[17:56] <patdk-lap> heh? gdm load up with both of my monitors mirrored no issue
[17:56] <coz_> mbeierl,   I am not up to speed on this new  gdm  thing  and my nvidia card has blown up and I am using a lower end card right now.... I am not real keen on the gdm revision that comes with karmic   but that is due to Ghome developers
[17:57] <mbeierl> patdk-lap: but... laptop or desktop?  I need to be able to toggle between external being present and not - I'm on laptop
[17:57] <patdk-lap> mbeierl, laptop
[17:57] <coz_> mbeierl,  which nvidia driver are you running?
[17:57] <patdk-lap> I'm not using nvidia though
[17:58] <mbeierl> stock from repos: 185.18.36-0ubuntu9
[17:58] <mbeierl> coz_: ^
[17:58] <coz_> mbeierl,  that should be fine....
[17:59] <coz_> mbeierl, well you could try asking in the #gnome channel ...although I cant guarantee a quck response there
[17:59] <jwfoxjr> is anyone having issues with ati sb600 usb controllers running only in 1.1 mode or completely timing out?  Thanks.
[17:59] <Pici> mbeierl: gnome's irc channels are on irc.gimp.net iirc
[17:59] <Barridus> neat, an absolutely terrible bug was apparently fixed today.  i can plug my netbook into a wired router without absolutely destroying the latency for everyone else
[18:00] <mbeierl> coz_: thanks...  they'll talk about karmic there too?  Or d'ya think I'll get a "ask on #ubuntu+1" there?
[18:00] <Etu> I still having my bug with qtruby. I was here a week ago and it haven't been fixed., http://pastebin.com/m41b2bc82 <--- The code I try to run is avibale here: http://cuby.m68k.se/
[18:00] <coz_> mbeierl,  well this isnt really a karmic issue  it is a gnome issue  so they should  be able to deal with any questions about gdm
[18:01] <coz_> mbeierl,  but again  I cant guarantee their response
[18:01] <mbeierl> coz_: k.  thanks
[18:01] <coz_>       mbeierl  no problem :)
[18:01] <Barridus> i've typically asked gnome questions here in beta 'buntu's
[18:03] <Barridus> after all, gdm is officially supported package
[18:05] <coz_> Barridus,  that makes sense  although the new gdm is somewhat of a pain
[18:05] <h00k> but it looks so god!
[18:05] <h00k> *good rather.
[18:06] <coz_> h00k,  but you now cannot theme it properly :(
[18:06] <h00k> this is true
[18:06] <h00k> also somewhat puzzling
[18:06] <mbeierl> h00k: Oddly, I preferred the 9.04 one.  It looked more "polished" with the 3d circle at the bottom...
[18:07] <G_A_C> yup, 9.04's GDM theme was far nicer :(
[18:07] <mbeierl> anyone notice that the bongos sound a little early now?  They go off for me about 2 seconds before the username sign in is shown
[18:08] <mzz> mbeierl: I think that happens here too
[18:08] <coz_> mbeierl,  yes they do
[18:08] <h00k> It did look pretty good, but I like the icons at the bottom of the new one, also the white logo
[18:08] <coz_> mbeierl,  this new boot sequence is probably the worst  since ubuntu 4.10
[18:08] <mbeierl> agreed.
[18:08] <mbeierl> the plain circle on boot is really ... well, plain
[18:09] <h00k> its simple, elegant, yet demanding of your attention
[18:09] <coz_> mbeierl,  it is indeed although in grub2 you could disable "quiet splash"   and see the run through in text
[18:09] <h00k> simplicity isn't always a bad thing
[18:09] <coz_> below the symbol
[18:11] <coz_> h00k,  nope it isnt but plain white on muddy background .?
[18:12] <h00k> coz_: its not muddy, its black
[18:13] <mzz> I think one of you is talking about usplash and the other about xsplash?
[18:13] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.  I cannot edit files in the RC of Xubu.  I have a file in my home and can "less" it to a terminal, but when I issue "vi" on the file, it comes up as a new file
[18:13] <coz_> h00k,  mm  ok
[18:13] <Pres-Gas> I have my home directory encrypted with ecryptfs
[18:13] <coz_> mzz,  yes  I think you are correct  :)
[18:13] <h00k> ...er, yeah. Probably.
[18:14] <h00k> usplash is what I was referring to
[18:14] <coz_> both are still  out of place
[18:14] <mzz> Pres-Gas: /w 51
[18:14] <mzz> err
[18:14] <mzz> Pres-Gas: so is that just vi?
[18:15] <Pres-Gas> Nope, mzz, with nano as well.  I am trying other files...they seem to be only with recently created files...say 4 or less days ago
[18:16] <mzz> Pres-Gas: anything scary in dmesg?
[18:16] <mzz> Pres-Gas: my ~ is ecryptfs too (as set up by the installer) and I haven't seen this
[18:17] <h00k> so, I'm trying to set up netconsole to figure out why my kernel dies.  Its telling me to add an option to grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg explicitely says *DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE*
[18:17] <mzz> h00k: /etc/default/grub
[18:17] <mzz> h00k: but you may not need to, do you still get to a shell before it dies?
[18:18]  * Pres-Gas looks in dmesg and /var/log/*
[18:18] <h00k> mzz: no.
[18:18] <mzz> h00k: ok, /etc/default/grub then
[18:18]  * h00k thumbsup
[18:18] <[A]KangB> Hi people, before a year with kernel problems Karmic solved it, but now was my screen that crash. Ubuntu comes with a really high resolution, i want to take it lower but no NVidia configurator, when it click on "save changes to Xfile" it returns "cannot pharse xorg.conf file" thats my xorg file http://pastebin.com/mf5629d5 what have i to add to take my resolution as 1024*768?
[18:18] <mzz> (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT that is, probably)
[18:18] <[A]KangB> now*
[18:18] <Pres-Gas> mzz, do you have vim installed?
[18:19] <h00k> mzz: this sucks because the instructions I see (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Netconsole) are for grub, not grub2
[18:19] <Byron> I got a new 1TB. I hope this idea works
[18:20] <Pres-Gas> It is a funny thing, while looking, I also decided to install vim...now the files I had trouble with are "seen"
[18:20] <Pres-Gas> checking with nano asa well
[18:20] <h00k> mzz: I'm going to guess I need this line to say this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="debug"
[18:20] <astrojp> IndyGunFreak: Sorry, had to run an errand. I guess it was disabled during the upgrade. Regardless, thanks! That fixed it. :)
[18:21] <h00k> instead of "quiet splash"
[18:21] <mzz> h00k: I'd just do that "quiet splash -> debug" thing at boot time using grub's builtin editor
[18:21] <IndyGunFreak> astrojp, np
[18:21] <darrend> [A]KangB: prb can't save it 'cos you're not running it as root
[18:21] <mzz> h00k: but yeah, that might work
[18:21] <h00k> mzz: I'll give this a shot
[18:22] <Pres-Gas> 0hmmm
[18:22] <Pres-Gas> I will have to look over my logs from yesterday to see what is up.
[18:22] <[A]KangB> darrend, when i click on nvidia configurator, it s shown an Gksudo dialog asking me my roots pass
[18:23] <addisonj> hmmm, where did mixer functionality transport to in karmic?
[18:23] <addisonj> for sound i should say
[18:24] <darrend> [A]KangB: suggest you move your current xorg.conf somewhere as a backup, then restart X without one (so it gets re-created).  Then retry what you wanted to do.  If it fails, put the xorg.conf back and we can think again
[18:26] <[A]KangB> darrend, I only want to get low my screen resolution.. I did not touch xorg.conf file..
[18:27] <tormod> darrend, xorg.conf is not recreated by restarting X, it will run without
[18:35] <saxin> If I use a LiveCD, will Palimpsest Disk Utility recognise bad hardware?
[18:36] <mac> yes
[18:36] <Wilthril> hi all
[18:36] <cdinz> How is Karmic running on MacBook 1,1? Anyone?
[18:36] <Byron> New HDD in place. 1TB hdd is in place. What is the suggested formatting? '/' will be 25GB, and then just make /home the rest?
[18:37] <alankila> I'm using 5 GB/rest splits myself
[18:38] <alankila> 5 GB is a tad tight, though
[18:38] <Lazy> with 1TB you could easily spare 25GB for /
[18:38] <pnut> problem with karmic install, my wide screen wont display, keep getting Input Signal out of range
[18:39] <alankila> well, the problem with "sparing" 25 GB is that there's likely no conceiveable use for that much for system. You could install the whole software archive in that kind of space, I guess. Perhaps many times over.
[18:39] <alankila> although I'm not quite sure. There's certainly an awful lot of junk in the software archive. ;-)
[18:41] <mzz> shrug, depends on how much stuff you install
[18:41] <mzz> if you install lots of dbgsym packages or a few games with large data packages it may add up quickly
[18:41] <Wilthril> i'd like to know: is there any difference between i install the RC then i update, and i wait 5 days to install the stable version?
[18:42] <pnut> anyone have a quick fix for this issue?
[18:42] <mzz> Wilthril: fewer upgrades initially, I haven't been paying attention to installer changes
[18:43] <mzz> pnut: not generally, no. But obviously check if you can still ctrl+alt+f1 out and if /var/log/Xorg.0.log has anything suspicious
[18:44] <Wilthril> mzz: i mean if i install the rc today then i update&upgrade next week, my OS will be the same as if i wait next week to install the stable version no?
[18:44] <bjsnider> alankila, 3d games like ut2k4 and etqw take up lots of space
[18:44] <pnut> mzz, nothing suspicious at all...
[18:44] <mzz> Wilthril: except for installer bugs, yes
[18:44] <mbeierl> Wilthril: yes.  it will be the same
[18:45] <Wilthril> ok great thanks a lot :)
[18:45] <mzz> pnut: well, it seems to be getting the refresh rate wrong
[18:45] <mzz> pnut: at least part of the decision making process for that is logged
[18:46] <pnut> mzz, can that setting be forced on live cd?
[18:46] <sun`> input output error :(
[18:46] <sun`> can anyone help me with this error?
[18:46] <mzz> pnut: I'm assuming what gets it wrong is X, and things work if you just ctrl+alt+f1 out of it. In which case using /etc/X11/xorg.conf to fix it would be easiest.
[18:46] <pnut> mzz, on my way there now, thanks
[18:46] <alankila> bjsnider: true enough. I never kept that stuff on / back when I still gamed on linux
[18:47] <mzz> pnut: I don't know what livecds have to do with it, unless you mean running the X server off the livecd environment, which I can't help with because I used the alt cd
[18:47] <alankila> it's easy to blow tens of gigabytes to games like ut2004, quake4, doom3, nwn, and what others I had... don't recall.
[18:48] <hsarci> does anyone know why rhythmbox would open on startup even if I dont have it configured to do such?????
[18:48] <nameiner_> I have trouble getting my Logitech Quickcam Communicate STX to work. It worked fine out of the box under intrepid. Any ideas?
[18:48] <yofel> sun`: can you please give an exact description of when you get that error?
[18:48]  * mzz doesn't feel like repeating himself about that
[18:48] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, hmm, thats odd.. its not in startup applications is it?
[18:49] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, no, definately not
[18:49] <coz_> nameiner_,  i am finding the same issues with my logitech web cam  here as well...although I have not found a solution
[18:49] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, are you starting w/ an IPod, or something like that plugged in?
[18:49] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, i have played around with different applets and also with plugins for avant (i dont use avant anymore)
[18:49] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, no...nothing is plugged in
[18:50] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, hmm, dunno... i definitely don't have that.
[18:50] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, when i say different applets and avant plugins i mean ones that are for controlling rythmbox
[18:50] <bjsnider> alankila, well obviously you don't have to keep the games on root iffen you don't not want to
[18:50] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, well, probably something is still working there obviously
[18:50] <IndyGunFreak> i don't do compiz or avant, so i dunno.
[18:50] <nameiner_> coz_, it's supposed to work with the spca5 driver which was included in intrepid. How can I find out if it's still included in karmic
[18:50] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, i dont have avant installed anymore
[18:50] <ysth> loading a mysql dump file (using 5.0 server and client) with lines close to 1Mb in length, I'm getting syntax errors reported.  Somehow the data read seems to be getting corrupted
[18:51] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, so im not sure how "something" is still working
[18:51] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, i know, but obviously there's a setting or something there still working
[18:51] <coz_> nameiner_,  not sure as I said I have not found a solution for this myself   I am still trying  though
[18:51] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, also, whenever I close rythmbox (right click on icon and exit) the rythmbox process is still running and i have to kill it in system monitor
[18:51] <Berzerker-> has anyone had a problem with hibernate not working?
[18:52] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, i have no idea... like i said, its obvious some setting or plugin you've messed with, is still installed
[18:52] <ysth> the identical file loads successfully on jaunty.  it fails on karmic with both "pv dumpfile | mysql" and using "source dumpfile" at the mysql prompt
[18:52] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, *sigh* how can a plugin for avant still be installed if avant has been purged?
[18:52] <mzz> Berzerker-: doesn't work if you ended up with encrypted swap. May also fail on specific systems, obviously
[18:52] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, you clearly don't understand english, so take your sighs elsewhere, and ask soemone else
[18:52] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, no processes related to avant start up or are running....ever
[18:53] <ysth> any suggestions for how I can narrow down the source of the problem?
[18:53] <Berzerker-> mzz, it worked before a daily build update about a week ago
[18:53] <hsarci> IndyGunFreak, you are clearly not an ubuntu guru so dont try to act like one when someone asks question
[18:53] <mzz> hsarci: well, *something* on your system differs from the systems of pretty much everyone else here (where rhythmbox doesn't auto-start)
[18:53] <IndyGunFreak> hsarci, i'm not the one here w/ problems,
[18:53] <IndyGunFreak> mzz, thank you.
[18:54] <mzz> hsarci: could be hardware (see my earlier question about plugged in storage devices), could be software (something one of those applets left behind)
[18:54] <hsarci> thats why im in here asking...becasue this is where ur supposed to ask for answer to complicated problems
[18:54] <IndyGunFreak> mzz, i asked him that, he said no
[18:54] <Berzerker-> hsarci, you can't come into a support channel and tell people they can't give good support, that's an ignorant thing to do.
[18:54] <mzz> IndyGunFreak: I did ask about it earlier, I was ignored :)
[18:54] <Berzerker-> afk
[18:54] <hsarci> fuck all of you
[18:54] <IndyGunFreak> !attitude | hsarci
[18:54]  * mzz rolls eyes
[18:54] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[18:55] <IndyGunFreak> have to put him on a list of folks not to help..lol
[18:55] <cdinz> lol
[18:56] <Jeruvy> but a textbook example of 'how not to get help',  now back to our regular programming :)
[18:56] <d9500> i noticed the ubuntu forums were down earlier today. now it seems like they're back up but the ubuntu keyserver site is down. can anyone confirm? http://keyserver.ubuntu.com
[18:57] <ysth> when the keyserver site is up, it's so slow for me that I can hardly tell the difference when it goes down :)
[18:58] <cdinz> --- keyserver.ubuntu.com ping statistics ---
[18:58] <cdinz> 7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
[18:58] <cdinz> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 193.173/237.731/259.171/23.015 ms
[18:58] <d9500> ysth: i get "gpg: keyserver timed out" when trying to add a key
[18:58] <thune3> can someone explain what http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091026.1/ is exactly
[18:59] <ysth> d9500: try subkeys.pgp.net instead
[18:59] <d9500> is there another way to import a key besides using the "sudp apt-key adv..." method? like maybe manually downloading the key and importing it via software sources?
[18:59] <PurPur> I think i have found an unusual behaviour if the new boot splash. Is this the right place to post the error?
[19:00] <PurPur> in*
[19:00] <coz_> thune3,  this would be the current build of karmic or testing build I would assume....I always saw it that way
[19:00] <mzz> PurPur: perhaps, but use a pastebin if it's more than one line and a bug report if you're sure it's a bug
[19:01] <PurPur> okay thanks. I think i will fill a bug report
[19:01] <ysth> d9500: I've copied a key from the keyserver website and imported it that way before; don't remember the syntax to load it.
[19:01] <yofel> d9500: there is, but if you get a timeout on the command line you won't get the key from the website too
[19:02] <ysth> yofel: not true; the command line times out quicker than a browser might
[19:02] <d9500> ysth: so, to use subkeys.pgp.net, I would run sudo apt-key adv --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net. --recv-keys "numberofkey" (replacing the "numberofkey" with the key number)?
[19:02] <ysth> d9500: yes.
[19:02] <ysth> err, without the . after net
[19:06] <ysth> no advice on mysql syntax errors?
[19:06] <thune3> does it mean that current rc is not gold and will rev ref:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091026.1/
[19:07] <ysth> thune3: if you load the rc and then check for updates, you'll find lots.
[19:08] <d9500> ysth: thx, that worked.
[19:08] <drbobb> it seems my isp's dns servers are sluggish to respond at times, what would you recommend as a solution for caching dns data?
[19:09] <scott_ino2> will RC automatically roll into the final release or will I have to change repos ?
[19:09] <rafferty> Sound from headphones but not from speakers on Thinkpad x200. I've tried every workaround I can find... any suggestions?
[19:09] <RediXe> Has anyone had any issue's with xmonad not working with dual monitors?
[19:09] <yofel> scott_ino2: no need, installing updates is enough
[19:10] <scott_ino2> yofel, excellent
[19:10] <scott_ino2> yofel, I remember in the past i had to changed over
[19:10] <scott_ino2> glad they figured that out i would have done this months ago even if things were broken
[19:11] <chazco> This bug is the one that is marked as fixed but isn't - https://launchpad.net/bugs/368135 - can I reopen it without joining launchpad?
[19:12] <quentusrex> alright,
[19:12] <quentusrex> I think I have a big issue
[19:12] <quentusrex> but it might be my hardware...
[19:13] <quentusrex> Here is my setup: intel i7 860 cpu, with gigabyte p55-ud4p motherboard.
[19:13] <quentusrex> I lose ALL existing network connections every 30 minutes
[19:13] <quentusrex> and they 'wake' up again after about 4-5 minutes
[19:13] <yofel> chazco: no, to change anything you need a LP account
[19:14] <quentusrex> All ssh connections hang, and all voip calls through the server hang, but all of them pickup after 4-5 minutes....
[19:14] <chazco> yofel - Ah... thanks
[19:14] <Docteh> is mountall supposed to exit when its done?
[19:14] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, sure sounds like hardware.
[19:14] <quentusrex> IndyGunFreak, do you know of any software that will test network connections?
[19:14] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, unfortunately i don't
[19:15] <Docteh> test in what way?
[19:15] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, do you have an old LAN card laying around by chance?
[19:15] <quentusrex> nope... :(
[19:15] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[19:15] <Docteh> quentusrex: is there anything in dmesg when it happens?
[19:16] <quentusrex> nope...
[19:16] <quentusrex> last thing was: [   22.973256] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[19:16] <quentusrex> and uptime:  12:16:35 up 2 days, 21:39,  1 user,  load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.08
[19:16] <quentusrex> so that was from almost 3 days ago
[19:17] <Docteh> do you have a monitor on that guy?
[19:17] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, never had a problem like that, that is strange... i know when my sisters onboard LAN took a dump, I put in a cheap Dynex LAN card, and it works perfectly
[19:18] <quentusrex> yes, there is a monitor
[19:18] <nameiner_> coz_, I just installed cheese and my cam works, so the driver is installed only some programs like skype don't work right with the cam.
[19:18] <Docteh> try doing something with it while then network doesn't work, maybe whole computer is going to sleep for some reason?
[19:19] <coz_> nameiner_,   cool ... for me cheese didnt help the situation ..but real glad you have it working :)
[19:19] <nameiner_> coz_, camorama doesn't work either, I wonder why?
[19:20] <coz_> nameiner_,  I know and I usually relied on camorama  before
[19:21] <Docteh> quentusrex: probably wont be that though, so you'll want to try swapping network cable, the port on the switch its using, and the network adaptor itself
[19:21] <doladowanie> http://darmowe-doladowanie.org/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=1ab8c7f36a6ba0e393e2e2af4bfc8211
[19:23] <TheInfinity> spammer ...
[19:23] <nameiner_> coz_, ok, I have camorama working, it needs a workaround. You need to start it in v4l1 compatibility mode with the following command: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib64/libv4l/v4l1compat.so camorama
[19:23] <quentusrex> Docteh, this motherboard has the smart dual nic feature
[19:24] <IndyGunFreak> have you tried disabling that, to see how it works?
[19:24] <Docteh> whats a smart dual nic feature?
[19:25] <Docteh> tape two network cards together and triple the price?
[19:25] <quentusrex> lol
[19:25] <IndyGunFreak> lol, pretty much
[19:25] <bjsnider> how cynical
[19:25] <quentusrex> it will auto failover
[19:25] <IndyGunFreak> obviously not.
[19:26] <quentusrex> yeah... I know...
[19:26] <quentusrex> but I'm trying to find out if karmic is handling it wrong
[19:26] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, is there a way to disable that in the BIOS?
[19:26] <quentusrex> or the bios/hardware is broke...
[19:26] <quentusrex> IndyGunFreak, yes. and I did....
[19:26] <IndyGunFreak> hmm.
[19:26] <IndyGunFreak> i take it this machine doesn't dual boot?
[19:28] <quentusrex> nope, karmic only for now
[19:28] <Armageddon> KK does not detect my webcam, it's a chicony, it is searching in /dev/video0
[19:28] <IndyGunFreak> i'd be willing to bet this is a karmic issue.
[19:28] <doladowanie> http://darmowe-doladowanie.org/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=1ab8c7f36a6ba0e393e2e2af4bfc8211
[19:28] <quentusrex> alright
[19:28] <Armageddon> didn't work cheese, nor other applications in Ubuntu Software Center
[19:28] <quentusrex> I've started to see similiar issues...
[19:28] <Armageddon> any idea ?
[19:28] <quentusrex> I've done:  ab -kc 50 -t 300 -n 90000000 http://therabbit/
[19:29] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, i'd try getting a cheap NIC card and use it.
[19:29] <quentusrex> which will basically slashdot plus digg effect the box
[19:29] <quentusrex> I'm on a gigabit network
[19:29] <quentusrex> doing that command from 4 other machines too
[19:29] <quentusrex> so...
[19:29] <quentusrex> I see small patches of the effect...
[19:30] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, i don't see any reason a regular LAN card wouldn't work on a gigabit network
[19:30] <quentusrex> it'd be fine...
[19:30] <quentusrex> I'm just trying to stress this one out
[19:31] <nameiner_> Armageddon, I'm working on thesame issue, cheese works for me, camorama only in v4l1 compatibility mode, skype doesn't work at all
[19:31] <IndyGunFreak> lol, then deal w/ it disconnecting every 30min
[19:31] <IndyGunFreak> that'll stress you out
[19:31] <pnut> mzz, thanks bro, had to install nvidia drivers after ctrl+alt+f1 in order to get to desktop of livecd.  now it all works great, thanks again bro
[19:31] <quentusrex> well, I'm trying to narrow down what the issue is...
[19:32] <IndyGunFreak> quentusrex, well, i think the issue is probably Karmic dealing w/ that dual NIC
[19:32] <quentusrex> yup....
[19:32] <quentusrex> but what happens every 30 minutes?
[19:36] <cousin_mario> hello
[19:37] <cousin_mario> updates aren't getting notified: what shall I check?
[19:38] <addisonj> curious, after update my cdrom fails to mount
[19:41] <Deihmos> when the final release comes out do i have to do a reinstall?
[19:41] <Deihmos> can it be updated without an install
[19:41] <tag> When I try to configure an evolution-mapi account, evolution segfaults.
[19:42] <adam__> having a problem with s/w raid on koala - when it gets to grub install it gives a fata error grub-install /dev/md0  failed
[19:42] <adam__> md0 is boot raid1 and i have swap as raid0 and root as raid0
[19:43] <psquiddy> Hey folks!  Just wanted to say thanks for getting Canadian localization up and running.  Nice to see things spelled "our" way.
[19:43] <addisonj> you running the alternate installer
[19:43] <adam__> yep
[19:44] <adam__> everything else seems to install ok, just fails on the grub part
[19:44] <topyli> cousin_mario, the update icon is disabled. security updates will pop up the update-manager window (or optionally security updates can be installed automatically) but you will only be notified about normal updates once a week
[19:44] <addisonj> could just be an odd chipset that is not well loved
[19:44] <SchneeSchwarz> adam__: is grub2 really capable of booting from RAID0? grub 0.97 definitely isn't, just RAID1
[19:45] <psquiddy> Small note:  clicking the irc link in Firefox 3.5 under Koala pointed me to a link that is apparently no longer supported (mibbit).  Might want to update that before the release!
[19:45] <Pici> psquiddy: Did you file a bug?
[19:45] <cousin_mario> topyli: how do I enable it?
[19:46] <psquiddy> No, just found it now.  Where should I file that?
[19:46] <adam__> so i need all three partitions as raid1 ? i thought i just had to have boot partition as raid1 and others as raid0
[19:46] <topyli> cousin_mario, there's a gconf setting, /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch. set it to false in gconf-editor if you don't like the default behavior
[19:47] <Pici> psquiddy: Probably on the firefox-3.5 package
[19:47] <aguitel> i have some problem with power management ,the display is not shut down ,anyone know about this?
[19:47] <psquiddy> Pici: thanks
[19:48] <cousin_mario> topyli: sorry, I don't understand. Do I have to disable the notifier in order to have updates shown as soon as they become available?
[19:49] <Guest96296> hmm, is ubuntu+1 recommended for home users ?
[19:49] <Pici> Guest96296: Not until after it actually releases.
[19:49] <topyli> cousin_mario, no, you disable the autolaunch of ubuntu's default action and get the old orange update icon back
[19:49] <thiebaude> Guest96296: yes
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Guest96296: +1 is for users whom need support for the unreleased karmic
[19:49] <SchneeSchwarz> adam_rrraid: no, /boot on RAID1 is enough. But, as you've seen, you can't install GRUB on /dev/md0. Install into /dev/sda (or whatever your normal device is called).
[19:50] <Pici> 3 different answers...
[19:50] <Guest96296> Pici, two to be fair
[19:50] <cousin_mario> topyli: oh, thanks.
[19:51] <Guest96296> hmm, why the switch to empathy btw ?
[19:51] <mzz> Pici: not quite released yet, but close enough to release to be pretty stable. So you could already use it, but you're expected to be cooperative if something breaks, if you know what I mean
[19:51] <mzz> willing to debug a bit and file bugs etc
[19:51] <mzz> Pici: also see the huge banner at the top of http://www.ubuntu.com/ :)
[19:52] <Pici> mzz: You mean Guest96296 surely. I'm well aware of the testing stuff.
[19:52] <mzz> oh, yes.
[19:52] <Pici> :)
[19:52] <mzz> my bad.
[19:52] <mzz> (I misread "3 different answers..." as something the person originally asking would say)
[19:53] <cousin_mario> topyli: may I inquire about the reason for such change in behaviour?
[19:53] <quentusrex> IndyGunFreak, Docteh The chipsets are Realtek 8111D
[19:54] <sergiusz> I have some basic questions about grub2 and where it is installed.
[19:54] <adam_rrraid> the installation program is installing to /dev/md0 how do i froce it to the right place?
[19:54] <sergiusz> Is grub2 installed in mbr?
[19:54] <topyli> cousin_mario, i guess the rationale is that critical updates should be applied at once, so we might as well launch  the update manager. normal updates are not something we should bother users with all the time
[19:54] <Pici> !grub2
[19:55] <cousin_mario> topyli: I see, thanks again
[19:58] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7aNOaUZfE
[19:58] <DanaG> mmmm, notify-osd.
[19:58] <SchneeSchwarz> adam_rrraid: When installing from the alternate CD, at the boot screen press F<don't know exactly> (F4 maybe) and select expert mode. You'll be asked much more stuff.
[19:58] <i_is_broke> hey got a bit of a techno question for someone, does ubuntu have kernel issues with using a sata hard drive with a regular ide hard drive?
[20:00] <sergiusz> Pici, thanks for the link. However, it doesn't really answer my question which I feel is very basic. I've installed karmic on a separate partition on my computer. This installed grub2. The question is: in order to remove the karmic installation do I have to install grub2 on my current jaunty installation?
[20:00] <i_is_broke> the reason i ask is i am running a amd sempron 3000 with 2gig of memory and it takes like 3 minutes to boot, with no errors..just hangs after grub with flashing cursor
[20:01] <Pici> sergiusz: You just need to reinstall your bootloader for your stable version of Ubuntu, just like you would if you had installed windows and it overwrote your mbr.
[20:02] <yofel> i_is_broke: please install 'bootchart' and check what it takes the time for
[20:02] <yofel> !bootchart | i_is_broke
[20:03] <sergiusz> Pici, ok I understand. Could I work around this by having a  separate boot partition? Would you recommend that for someone that installs and un-installs os's?
[20:03] <i_is_broke> yofel, installing now and will shut down and reboot and see what it hangs on.
[20:03] <Halabund> Hello
[20:03] <thiebaude> hi
[20:04] <Byron> what is the proper syntax if I want to copy things over using rsync?
[20:04] <i_is_broke> ok be back in about 5
[20:04] <Jordan_U> sergiusz: I would definitely reccommend a separate /boot if you often install and uninstall multiple distros
[20:04] <Pici> sergiusz: A separate boot partition wouldnt really help, the question is where you install grub to, the kernel images themselves are stored in your /boot.  Anyway I need to get going, but someone else here should be able to help if you have further questions.
[20:05] <sergiusz> Pici, thanks for your help
[20:06] <Halabund> I upgraded to the Karmic release candidate this morning.  I need to use a VPN to access the internet here.  Since the upgrade, everything is very slow.  When an address is typed into the web browser, it waits for a long time (with the message "looking up xyz.com" in the status bar) before the page is loaded.  It is not only Firefox that's affected, but apparently any program that downloads things.  Do you have any idea what might have went wr
[20:06] <Halabund> ong and how this could be fixed?
[20:06] <Guest96296> why empathy, kinda sounds like a stupid decistion to me, like the try to switch to epiphany for browser...
[20:06] <sergiusz> Jordan_U: ok, I think I will try this. What size would you recommend for a /boot partition?
[20:06] <bullhorn> still have the sound issue. sound worked, after 2-3 reboots, sound was gone and now i need to sudo alsa force-reload after each reboot
[20:06] <Guest96296> i mean of course pidgin developers are nazi, but can't you buy them somehow ?
[20:06] <bullhorn> ideas?
[20:07] <Guest96296> or are they owned by redhat or something ?
[20:07] <Halabund> There are no problems with VPN performance when not using the VPN though.
[20:07] <Halabund> *with network performance, I mean
[20:07] <Halabund> Is there anyone else here who uses a VPN?
[20:07] <Jordan_U> sergiusz: Depends on how big your hard drive is and how many old kernels you tend to leave lying around
[20:09] <Jordan_U> Halabund: Try using opendns for DNS ( unless you also need DNS for other hosts within the VPN )
[20:09] <i_is_broke> !bootchart
[20:10] <Docteh> can someone do me a favor?
[20:10] <sobersabre> hi. any thinkpad users with fingerprint reader working in here ?
[20:10] <sergiusz> Jordan_U: Ok, realised I can have a look myself in my /boot dir... ;)
[20:10] <Docteh> I need the /etc/init directory from karmic
[20:11] <dajhorn> sobersabre: thinkfinger works on my T61.
[20:11] <sobersabre> Docteh: I don't think there is such thing as "/etc/init" in karmic.
[20:11] <sobersabre> dajhorn: does screensaver work too ?
[20:11] <Docteh> sobersabre: its part of upstart
[20:11] <yofel> sobersabre: /etc/init is there, it's the upstart config dir
[20:11] <dajhorn> sobersabre: Dunno.  Haven't configured thinkfinger to unlock the screensaver.
[20:11] <mzz> sobersabre: sure there is, but there is no single "the" /etc/init :)
[20:12] <Halabund> That could be a workaround, but it would only treat the symptom, not the cause, Jordan_U.  Actually I was wondering if it is likely that something might have went wrong during the upgrade (and a fresh install could solve the problem), or PPTP connections are just broken in Karmic (which would be pretty bad for me...)
[20:12] <sobersabre> ok.
[20:12] <mzz> Docteh: what are you trying to accomplish?
[20:12] <Docteh> tar cfv givetodocteh.tar /etc/init
[20:12] <Docteh> mzz: i screwed up something in my copy
[20:12] <sobersabre> hm is there anything machine specific in /etc/init ?
[20:12] <bjsnider> Docteh, just reinstall all packages
[20:12] <mzz> Docteh: I'd reinstall the packages with files in /etc/init/ then
[20:12] <Docteh> pass
[20:13] <yofel> sobersabre: not really, the contents depend on what you have installed
[20:13] <mzz> Docteh: dpkg -S /etc/init will tell you what packages that are
[20:14] <sobersabre> yofel: ok.
[20:14] <Docteh> thats a lot of packages to reinstall :-/
[20:14] <sobersabre> ANYBODY with thinkfinger working with screensaver ?
[20:14] <bjsnider> you probably have them all cached locally though
[20:15] <Docteh> how do i go about it?
[20:15] <nameiner> Any ideas why my webcam works under Kubuntu but not Ubuntu? Both are beta installations and fully updated per today.
[20:15] <mzz> Docteh: apt-get install --reinstall, afaik
[20:16] <mzz> could even cook up a bit of sed to mangle the output from dpkg -S into something you can feed to apt-get
[20:16] <mzz> or perhaps there's a better tool for that job, I'm not sure
[20:17] <yofel> Docteh: if you want to do it all at once you could try: 'dpkg -S /etc/init | sed -s 's/,//g' | sed -s 's/:.*//' | xargs sudo aptitude reinstall'
[20:17] <Deihmos> i have one hard drive and i installed ubuntu. now i want to install windows. how can i get this done?
[20:17] <Deihmos> can ubuntu shrink drives ?
[20:17] <mzz> yeah, that was pretty much what I was thinking too
[20:17] <sobersabre> Deihmos: you do the oposite: Install windows, and then ubuntu.
[20:18] <Deihmos> so you can't shrink drives in ubuntu?
[20:18] <mzz> Deihmos: gparted is probably easiest for the shrinking
[20:18] <yofel> mzz: was already working on it when you suggested it, but found out that aptitude is better than apt-get for this
[20:18] <sobersabre> Deihmos: it's unrelated.
[20:18] <sobersabre> you can shrink.
[20:18] <Deihmos> i can shrink the drive i am using?
[20:18] <mzz> yofel: how so?
[20:18] <sobersabre> but after you've installed windows you will need to mess with boot loader.
[20:18] <mzz> yofel: "aptitude reinstall" isn't that much less typing than "apt-get install --reinstall", or does it differ in other ways?
[20:19] <Deihmos> so better to install windows then ubuntu?
[20:19] <sobersabre> yes.
[20:19] <mzz> Deihmos: windows has an annoying habit of overwriting grub without being able to boot linux
[20:19] <sobersabre> because in the order win->ubuntu you won't even have to bother about setting up loader.
[20:19] <i_is_broke> http://pastebin.com/d1f056a80 , thats what bootchart says.
[20:19] <yofel> mzz: true, seems I did something wrong when I tried apt-get o.O
[20:19] <mzz> Deihmos: if you install ubuntu second it'll set up grub to chainload windows
[20:19] <Deihmos> does grub create an option to booot windows or ubuntu?
[20:19] <Deihmos> ok cool
[20:19] <sobersabre> Deihmos: and it's not impossible to perform, but it's an overhead you can avoid.
[20:20] <sobersabre> YES.
[20:20] <Guest96296> Deihmos, thing is, grub will pick up windows when its already installed, windows bootloader will do no such thing with linux
[20:20] <Deihmos> when 9.10 is released will i be able to update without a reinstall
[20:20] <scott_ino2> Deihmos, yes
[20:21] <Guest96296> Deihmos, yes
[20:21] <mzz> Deihmos: also the ubuntu installer can shrink partitions (both windows and linux ones) while the windows one can't last time I checked. The windows installer is really pretty basic.
[20:21] <Deihmos> you probably have not used windows in a while
[20:22] <mzz> Deihmos: I have used it, but I haven't installed recent versions of it
[20:22] <Deihmos> i tried to shrink the drive i was using in ubuntu and it wasn't possible
[20:22] <Deihmos> it can be done in vista / 7
[20:22] <mzz> Deihmos: I don't think gparted is available on an installed system (unless you install it by hand).
[20:22] <sobersabre> Docteh: have you d/l the file ?
[20:22] <mzz> Deihmos: it should be on the installer though, and it should do the job if you install it by hand afterwards.
[20:23] <mzz> Deihmos: and do you mean that the vista/7 *installer* can resize partitions or that the installed os can?
[20:25] <yofel> mzz: both the installer and the os can afaik
[20:25] <mzz> ah, that's progress.
[20:25] <mzz> (the only windows installers I've used recently were either ancient or oem recovery ones, so I'm pretty ignorant)
[20:26] <DanaG> stupid Empathy.
[20:26] <DanaG> Try to join an IRC channel.... segfault.
[20:26] <DanaG> segfault.
[20:26] <DanaG> segfault.                    you get the point.
[20:26] <Deihmos> both the os and diskmanager can resize partions even the partition the os is installed on
[20:26] <scott_ino2> my opinion is empathy sucks\
[20:27] <kbmaniac> did an update on karmic, on reboot grub cant find UUID 'error: no such device ...' help, any ideas ?
[20:27] <mzz> I only tried it briefly but it didn't seem like a very useful irc client
[20:27] <h00k> is anyone familiar with netconsole?
[20:27] <mzz> so far really more messaging-oriented than groupchat-oriented
[20:27] <mzz> h00k: I've used it
[20:27] <Deihmos> hey why doesn't the rating show up in software center? i tried eeebuntu and it showed the ratings
[20:27] <Guest96296> DanaG, i also don't get why they switched from pidgin
[20:28] <topyli> empathy is not very good with any kind of multiuser chat
[20:28] <DanaG> Yeah, Empathy sucks.
[20:28] <Hobby> is there a reason why slim (http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/slim) isn't included in karmic anymore?
[20:28] <bjsnider> DanaG, maybe empathy thinks you suck too
[20:28] <DanaG> Fine by me.
[20:28] <scott_ino2> bjsnider, that was me said that
[20:28] <DanaG> I'd be surprised if it had that kind of intelligence.  =þ
[20:28] <scott_ino2> but same i suppose
[20:28] <DanaG> *segfault*
[20:28] <bjsnider> empathy does suck
[20:29] <h00k> mzz: I'm having a problem because my university requires http login and I don't think netconsole is piping anything out even after I authenticate over http, does netconsole have to communicate to establish a connection or will it just pump errors as they happen?
[20:29] <mzz> I didn't actually have it segfault though, I just didn't like the ui much
[20:29] <scott_ino2> lol
[20:29] <DanaG> Out-of-the-box on the livecd... if somebody needs IRC, what are they supposed to do?
[20:29] <scott_ino2> install it i suppose
[20:29] <DanaG> Start empathy... ooh, first-run wizard.
[20:29] <DanaG> what the heck... no IRC?
[20:29] <mzz> h00k: it just dumps udp packets out iirc
[20:29] <DanaG> And no guidelines of how to set up IRC.
[20:29] <h00k> mzz: I think i have it set up properly, then. okay. I'll just get it to kernel panic again and see what happens.
[20:30] <mzz> h00k: it really makes most sense to use it in an (ethernet) lan
[20:30] <bjsnider> irc is not so easy to set up in pidgin either
[20:30] <DanaG> Yeah, but at least "Username" and "Server" are self-explanatory.
[20:30] <mzz> h00k: consider increasing the dmesg log verbosity if you haven't already and doing something innocuous that triggers dmesg spam, like plugging a usb device
[20:30] <DanaG> In Empathy... what do you do?
[20:30] <DanaG> okay... "account".
[20:30] <DanaG> what goes there?
[20:30] <bjsnider> DanaG, does empathy have an irc feature?
[20:30] <DanaG> Oh, and in first-run, it doesn't even offer IRC.
[20:30] <bigbrovar> the graphic lagginess in karmic is starting to give me headace how did intel cards come to suck this bad :(
[20:31] <h00k> mzz: how does one increase dmesg log verbosity?
[20:31] <Guest96296> DanaG, don't use it for irc
[20:31] <h00k> mzz: I did try the USB device, it didn't pipe anything through the netconosole
[20:31] <DanaG> It should at least give a hint that irc is nickname@server
[20:31] <DanaG> like DanaG@irc.freenode.net
[20:31] <mzz> h00k: dmesg -n 8 iirc
[20:31] <bigbrovar> beside that am loving everything about kubuntu.. but the graphic performance is just a huge deal breaker .
[20:31] <DanaG> I had to guess that.
[20:32] <mzz> DanaG: err, freenode is in the network list, isn't it?
[20:32] <DanaG> I didn't see a network list.
[20:32] <mzz> DanaG: I do
[20:32] <h00k> mzz: yeah, not getting it, I'll make sure I have it set up properly
[20:32] <topyli> DanaG, you don't have to try and use empathy for irc just to be able to whine about how bad it is. everyone knows it's no irc client
[20:33] <DanaG> accounts->add new irc account
[20:33] <DanaG> button: "create"
[20:33] <mzz> DanaG: contact list -> accounts, "add...", create a new irc account, create
[20:33] <DanaG> Gives me just a text box.
[20:33] <DanaG> Account: [text box]
[20:33] <mzz> DanaG: I'm clicking the "add" button below the accounts list
[20:33] <topyli> DanaG, they're planning a proper multiuser chat interface for telepathy, better wait until it's ready. until then, you have good irc clients around
[20:33]  * DanaG uses pidgin.
[20:33] <DanaG> I DID click that button.
[20:33] <bjsnider> xchat works best
[20:34] <mzz> DanaG: I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Is this an uptodate karmic with no unusual empathy/telepathy-related packages installed?
[20:34] <DanaG> empathy is Version: 2.28.1-1ubuntu1
[20:35] <mzz> DanaG: yeah, empathy itself isn't that interesting, I'm guessing you're getting a different provider for irc (I think there's a libpurple-based one)
[20:35] <DanaG> telepathy-haze
[20:36] <mzz> DanaG: hmm, actually I do also have that installed (I thought I didn't)
[20:36] <bjsnider> why use it when there's nothing appreciably wrong with pidgin
[20:36] <mzz> bjsnider: I'm not actually using it, I already have irssi. But I'm a bit confused by it being this much more broken for DanaG than it is for me
[20:36] <DanaG> I see... removing telepathy-haze gives me the other IRC UI.
[20:36] <h00k> bjsnider: I happen to find irssi works best for what I use it for.
[20:36] <DanaG> Weird.
[20:36] <mzz> DanaG: that's weird. I do have both telepathy-haze and telepathy-idle installed, but seem to be getting idle by default
[20:37] <bjsnider> mzz, what is irssi?
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: i use carrier but yes, pidgin is fine
[20:37] <mzz> !info irssi
[20:37] <DanaG> oh, "name in use" -- nice.
[20:37] <bjsnider> terminal-based
[20:37] <DanaG> okay, without haze, how do you do aim?
[20:38] <h00k> bjsnider: it works well on a server in a screen, you can connect from ahywhere and resume your session
[20:38] <mzz> DanaG: no, -haze should be fine, I just don't think you want to use it for irc
[20:38] <h00k> s/ahywhere/anywhere
[20:38] <DanaG> It's weird that it WAS.
[20:38] <mzz> DanaG: I think that's an accident, but I don't know what triggered it
[20:38] <h00k> with Empathy as the default, I am hoping it gets lovin'
[20:39] <bjsnider> h00k, the only problem i have with xchat2 is the lack of emoticons, but i don't see why i should switch just for that
[20:39] <DanaG> "name in use" -- nice response there.
[20:39] <mzz> DanaG: huh, looks like "managers" are registered through /usr/share/telepathy/managers/, but I don't see a priority mechanism in there
[20:39] <h00k> bjsnider: yeah, I suppose emoticons are something extra, I don't find them necesary, but thats why we have choice :)
[20:40] <kito0> hi everyone
[20:40] <mzz> DanaG: oh, booo. Looks like there's specific logic in empathy that filters out "a haze implementation of something we already have"
[20:41] <kito0> i need some help pleace
[20:41] <mzz> still no clue why that wasn't working for you though.
[20:41] <yofel> !ask | kito0
[20:41] <kito0> ok
[20:41] <DanaG> that haze issue IS weird.
[20:42] <jwfoxjr> is anyone having issues with ati sb600 usb controllers running only in 1.1 mode or completely timing out?  Thanks.
[20:43] <kito0> after the last update i've lost all sound
[20:43] <jonathan__> In the Karmic RC, is anyone aware of a way around the password prompt I get every time I start-up and click to mount my RAID array?
[20:44] <Docteh> huh, aptitude reinstall upstart isn't replacing files in /etc/init
[20:44] <h00k> jonathan__: do you have gdm logging you in automatically?
[20:44] <jonathan__> nope
[20:44] <Docteh> time for debootstrap
[20:44] <mzz> ...what?
[20:44] <mzz> Docteh: what is actually broken?
[20:44] <bullhornx> http://pastebin.com/m2f4dad46 -- this is regarding my sound issue. sound worked and after a few reboots - it doesnt, untill i force-reload the ALSA driver
[20:44] <crashsystems> I've noticed what looks like a boot experience bug that involves the encrypted swap set up with encrypted home directories. I could not find a bug on LP, though I did find a post on UbuntuForums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8166845). Is this a known issue, or should I report a bug in launchpad? If I should report it, what package should I assign it to?
[20:45] <joaopinto> Docteh, /etc files are not reinstalled, since they are configuration files
[20:45] <jonathan__> the machine logs on as normal, and it detects my raid array, although when I click it, I have to authenticate every time
[20:45] <joaopinto> you would need to purge/install
[20:45] <Docteh> eek
[20:45] <mzz> joaopinto: err, that doesn't sound desirable for many of them. How do you override?
[20:45] <joaopinto> but purging upstart might not be a good idea :P
[20:45] <joaopinto> mzz, you apt-get purge them
[20:45] <mzz> joaopinto: purging everything with files in /etc/init/ sounds somewhat dangerous
[20:45] <joaopinto> mzz, it purges package files, not directories
[20:45] <Docteh> if i could purge without checking dependancies sure
[20:45] <joaopinto> apt-get purce packaname
[20:45] <jwfoxjr> pastebin of lspci -nnvv and lsusb here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302299/
[20:46] <joaopinto> erm, purge
[20:46] <jonathan__> h00k: the machine logs on as normal, and it detects my raid array, although when I click it, I have to authenticate every time
[20:46] <mzz> joaopinto: I know, but what Docteh is trying to do is recreate /etc/init/, which apparently he damaged (he hasn't told us how)
[20:46] <mzz> joaopinto: he was asking for a tarball of someone's /etc/init/, but I was assuming just reinstalling the packages with files there was saner
[20:46] <mzz> apparently I was mistaken :(
[20:46] <joaopinto> mzz, /etc/init is not upstart package specific, reinstalling the package would never fix it
[20:46] <Docteh> mzz: I was taking a hammer to it
[20:46] <Docteh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/457767
[20:47] <joaopinto> you would need to purge every package :P
[20:47] <mzz> joaopinto: /etc/init/ *is* upstart-specific. upstart itself just happens to be one of the packages owning files there.
[20:47] <joaopinto> rm on /etc = restore or reinstall :P
[20:47] <joaopinto> mzz, it's upstart specific, not upstart package specific :P
[20:47] <mzz> joaopinto: (he's reinstalling more than just upstart, if that's what you mean. dpkg -S gave a list)
[20:47] <DonaldShimoda> seems like today updates to pulseaudio broke sound...
[20:47] <DonaldShimoda> anybody else with that ptoblem?
[20:48] <mzz> joaopinto: this seems a bit odd, since there's quite a lot of stuff in /etc/ that I never edit, and apt is quite capable of doing something reasonable on *upgrades* for those same files.
[20:48] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, be more specific
[20:48] <bjsnider> i think there was a blutooth patch change but that's about it
[20:48] <Docteh> oh sweet
[20:48] <bigbrovar> anyone knows if its possible to downgrade the version of intel xserver driver which ships wtih karmic to the version in jaunty
[20:48] <kito0> DonaldShimoda: i have that problem since the past upgrade
[20:49] <DanaG> interesting... adium theme support.
[20:49] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto ubuntu karmic koala 64 bits, sound working fine for two days, today i run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and get some updates on pulse audio
[20:49] <bjsnider> DanaG, in what? pidgin?
[20:49] <DonaldShimoda> stop working the sound, is there, asi if it works, can change spund, mute, whatever, but stop output sound!
[20:49] <DanaG> in Empathy.
[20:50] <jonathan__> does anyone know a way of mounting my internal raid array without having to manually mount and password authenticate each boot...
[20:50] <DonaldShimoda> kito0, great im not the only one
[20:50] <DanaG> Does pidgin do adium themes?
[20:50] <bjsnider> it really should since adium is gaim
[20:50] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, knows every way to get the pulseaudio deb previous to the today upgrade?
[20:51] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, have you checked the mixer settings ?
[20:51] <DonaldShimoda> alsamixer, yes i do
[20:51] <DonaldShimoda> and also the gui one
[20:51] <joaopinto> odd
[20:51] <mickster04> whenever i open a new window it always does so maximised, how do i do that
[20:51] <joaopinto> hum
[20:51] <mickster04> sorry, how do i turn it to normal
[20:51] <joaopinto> I have a PA upgrade pending
[20:51] <joaopinto> let me try
[20:51] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, dont do it...
[20:51] <Docteh> okay my problem is solved, i had done a debootstrap before
[20:52] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, i check rigth now my gui mixer
[20:52] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, tehres no soud devices, anymore...
[20:52] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, is gone now... :(
[20:53] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, I am installing the updates
[20:53] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, you brazilian kamikaze! LOL
[20:53] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, lol, nope, Portuguese
[20:54] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, ah, ok, im argentinian btw
[20:54] <bjsnider> ami the only north american that uses linux?
[20:54] <bbigras> no
[20:54] <bjsnider> sometimes i think so
[20:54] <x1101_work> bjsnider: not at all
[20:55] <x1101_work> bjsnider: im in the North East US
[20:55] <Docteh> bjsnider: the .ca people are in north america
[20:55] <kito0> DonaldShimoda: the sayme here
[20:55] <kito0> no sound device on hardware section
[20:55] <Roey> hey all
[20:55] <Docteh> i think it stands for crappy arctic
[20:55] <DonaldShimoda> kito0, i hope final version dont release with that bug!
[20:55] <Roey> hello, I'm trying to upgrade from Intrepid to Karmic and I get this error:  http://pastebin.com/m2b851a5d   --  how do I fix this?
[20:56] <DonaldShimoda> how can we help?
[20:56] <Jeruvy> Docteh: no, you've confused it with russia ;)
[20:56] <Tronic> The built-in crypto support is really nice :)
[20:56] <mickster04> whenever i open a new window it always does so maximised, how do i fix this?
[20:56] <Byron> can someone help me with GRUB? It's somehow gone back to my XP drive instead of new SATA drive.
[20:56] <kito0> i've try everything y could find and nothing seems to work
[20:57]  * Tronic just installed 9.10 rc with crypted home (on an SSD) and device-level crypted storage disk.
[20:57] <Byron> disregard. thought of something else
[20:57] <Tronic> Seems quick enough not to really be CPU-limited at any point.
[20:57] <Tronic> *to not
[20:59] <DanaG> oh heck, I've gone back to pidgin.
[20:59] <DanaG> Anyway, I don't see any PPA for pidgin-webkit, so phooey.
[20:59] <DonaldShimoda> DanaG, empathy auto close
[20:59] <DonaldShimoda> DanaG, is very uncomfortable
[20:59] <Docteh> !ppa
[21:00] <DanaG> Auto-close?
[21:00] <DonaldShimoda> DanaG, er.... yes, it close, alone
[21:00] <DonaldShimoda> DanaG, :P
[21:00] <Docteh> oooo neato
[21:00] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, howyou do with pulseaudio update?
[21:01] <joaopinto> it's still downloading
[21:01] <DanaG> "In contrast to earlier PolicyKit releases in Fedora 10 and 11, this version of PolicyKit does not include a graphical application to manage individual authorizations. Instead, policies can be defined in simple text files and by associated with Unix groups. The polkit-desktop-policy package contains policy definitions suitable for 'Administrator' and 'Standard User' roles on a standalone desktop installation. See the PolicyKit documentation for more 
[21:01] <DanaG> boooo, hisssss
[21:03] <kito0> DonaldShimoda: is your sound card the snd-hda-intel module?
[21:03] <kito0> with a Realtek ALC260 codec?
[21:07] <jmurmel> hi all. I upgraded to Karmic and now I have a problem booting the system. Looks like the kernel does not recognize the hard drive. It starts loading but fails with the message "ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!". The hard drive is OK, I can boot with liveCD and mount it...
[21:08] <DanaG> ah, fixed my eSATA.
[21:08] <DanaG> Just edited the policykit files.
[21:09] <kulight> any one have experience with dvb-t TV ?
[21:10] <mzz> jmurmel: hda1? are you sure the problem isn't simply that that drive is made available as sda1 by karmic's kernel and you need to adjust the fstab entry?
[21:10] <mzz> jmurmel: if not: dmesg may have clues
[21:14] <crashsystems> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/461442
[21:15] <addisonj> yeah, i can't mount my cd-rom drive, doesn't recognize the FS
[21:15] <addisonj> worked before update
[21:17] <slacker_nl> anyone familiar with apt/pinning? I have apt-default release set to karmic, but now ppa's have 990 preferences..
[21:22] <Daemonik> Is there a way to apt-get i386 debs from repos that only have i386 packages with Karmic LPIA?
[21:22] <joaopinto> Daemonik, you could setup an i386 chroot
[21:22] <Roey> Daemonik:  warning! warning! chroot handicaps your mental ability!
[21:23] <joaopinto> uh ?
[21:24] <Daemonik> Roey, heh. Yeah chroot is a bit of work. joaopinto Is there a way that can be done easily? I just want to get the daily Google Chromium builds. Sounds like adding a shell script that does dpkg -i --force-architecture to root's crontab would be easier.
[21:24] <Roey> I mean I'm sure there are times that merit it--like if you're sitting at a computer trapped in Siberia under six feet of snow and have a gun pointed to your head
[21:24] <Daemonik> Roey, Yeah, I see what you're saying.
[21:24] <Daemonik> Roey, Been there, done that.
[21:24] <Roey> Daemonik:  it's just that you have to copy /everything/ and essentially make a new system in its own bubble
[21:25] <mickster04> whenever i open a new window it always does so maximised, how do i fix this?
[21:25] <Daemonik> Roey, I'll just have a shell script do this for me.
[21:25] <joaopinto> Roey, actually that is not correct, you dont need everything, you just need everything you want for the specific case you are building the chroot for
[21:25] <Roey> joaopinto:  ah
[21:26] <Roey> joaopinto:  in my case it's been mostly everything, at least
[21:26] <joaopinto> which may be from 10% of your host system to 200% or whatever
[21:26] <Roey> I did not mean to discredit your suggestion, I apologize
[21:26] <joaopinto> :)
[21:27] <Roey> :)
[21:27] <joaopinto> but yes, wget & dpkg -i is probably a better idea
[21:29] <Roey> oh, hmm.
[21:30]  * mzz pets mk-sbuild-lv
[21:30] <Roey> joaopinto:  http://pastebin.com/m6ad04734
[21:30] <ubuntuLoverV2> Hi everyone, remember me? :D
[21:30] <jmurmel> mzz: when I do cat /dev in initramfs, I do not see any *da at all, only console, null and ttyxx.
[21:30] <mzz> ubuntuLoverV2: only your previous version, I'm afraid
[21:30] <Roey> joaopinto:  I forgot to do do-release-upgrade beforehand when I started upgrading from Intrepid to Karmic
[21:31] <mzz> jmurmel: fishy. Does the initramfs get mounted properly (do you see the usplash ubuntu logo)?
[21:31] <ubuntuLoverV2> mzz, well now I'm back with new eyecandy but still the same underlying problems ;)
[21:31] <jmurmel> mzz: no, not really, I do not see the logo
[21:32] <mzz> jmurmel: then it's possible something's wrong with your grub configuration, causing it to not load the initramfs
[21:32] <ubuntuLoverV2> mzz, or rather problem not plural
[21:32] <nemo> joaopinto: Someone's asking about 64 bit ubuntu build of hedgewars, don't suppose you made one?  Also, version on playdeb is still w/o those patches right?
[21:32] <mzz> jmurmel: I'm not sure if skipping that is supposed to work
[21:33] <jmurmel> mzz: I tried installing lilo, and the result was the same. what do you mean "skipping that"?
[21:33] <ubuntuLoverV2> mzz, I was gona try creating a boot partition at the start of the drive nd install Grub2 on that... is it even worth a try or am allucinating?
[21:33] <jschall> my pcm volume keeps getting reset to 0
[21:35] <ubuntuLoverV2> has my connection died?! everyone's gone quiet!!
[21:35] <mzz> jmurmel: what I said: not loading the initramfs and trying to boot straight into the system
[21:36] <ubuntuLoverV2> phew! I was feeling SAD.
[21:36] <mzz> ubuntuLoverV2: as I said earlier I think there's a small chance that'll help
[21:36] <jmurmel> mzz: Not sure I understand. What happens is that during boot I am through into initramfs...
[21:37] <jmurmel> mzz: sorry, "I am thrown into initramfs"
[21:37] <mzz> jmurmel: you're thrown to a shell. Are you sure it's actually an initramfs shell?
[21:37] <ubuntuLoverV2> mzz, how small? is it a chance big enough trying? I guess it is when there's no other choice.
[21:37] <cov> So networkmanager is still broken for wpa2 certificate authentication. This really sucks for college students (no more secure wireless). Anyone know anything about what's wrong or if this bug (#447145) is actually getting looked at?
[21:37] <jmurmel> mzz: yes, I am. The prompt is "(initramfs)"
[21:37] <mzz> ubuntuLoverV2: not sure what else to try, other than messing with grub in an attempt to make it noisier, which I really don't have the time for
[21:38] <mzz> jmurmel: ah. Then I'm not sure where to look next, other than possibly dmesg.
[21:38]  * mzz isn't familiar with the internals of that initramfs
[21:38] <jmurmel> mzz: Thanks for your help. Will try more...
[21:40] <ubuntuLoverV2> mzz, no no I don't want to take a lot of your time either... I mean I went to sleep and had a full day's work and you're still here helping and infinite amount of peeps in one go... much respect and appreciation
[21:43] <joaopinto> nemo, http://ftp.heanet.ie/disk1/www.getdeb.net/getdeb/ubuntu/pool/games/h/hedgewars/ , getdeb2, needs testing
[21:43] <nemo> cool
[21:43] <nemo> I'll link him to it
[21:43] <ubuntuLoverV2> dmatt: welcome :)
[21:43] <nemo> joaopinto: ... that's patched or unpatched?
[21:44] <ubuntuLoverV2> joaopinto, portugues?
[21:44] <nemo> oh
[21:44] <nemo> getdeb2 is the patched I guess
[21:44] <joaopinto> nemo, patched
[21:44] <nemo> duh
[21:44] <joaopinto> ubuntulog, yes
[21:45] <ubuntuLoverV2> joaopinto, folgo em saber q ha mais portugeses nesta comunidade... especialmente a ajudar a malta :)
[21:45] <joaopinto> ubuntuLover, let's keep english here, theres is a #ubuntu-pt ;)
[21:46] <ubuntuLoverV2> joaopinto, oops my bad
[21:46] <nemo> joaopinto: say, why do you have a getdeb2 for the data too? :)
[21:46] <nemo> isn't the whole point of a separate data build to avoid large downloads for small code fixes?
[21:46] <joaopinto> nemo, because the package binary rules is source version based, which includes the debian version
[21:46] <rward> anyone know how to get a public key for 9.10?
[21:46] <nemo> ah
[21:46] <joaopinto> the option was to change that to a manual version rule, like > version
[21:47] <joaopinto> I mean, the option would be
[21:47] <nemo> oh well.
[21:47] <nemo> patched release builds are fairly rare usually.
[21:48] <Roey> joaopinto:  hola again
[21:48] <joaopinto> it is fine, should I published getdeb2 ?
[21:48] <joaopinto> Roey, ola :P
[21:48] <Roey> joaopinto:  so I'm sort of in a rut right now
[21:48] <ubuntuLoverV2> joaopinto, I need help with a long lasting boot problem... it's something really obscure, mzz nd dmatt already tried helping, would the pt channel be able to help me?
[21:48] <joaopinto> nemo, btw, for some reason I no longer have the 100% cpu bug with libsdl audio
[21:48] <Roey> I don't know how to proceed with this (aside from simply nuking my existing install)
[21:49] <Roey> joaopinto:  http://pastebin.com/m6ad04734
[21:49] <nemo> joaopinto: it has been quite intermittent for me in the past
[21:49] <nemo> joaopinto: increased in likelihood to trigger if I was doing other things w/ PA, if I was running compiz and tabbing back and forth
[21:49] <nemo> but who knows, perhaps has been fixed
[21:50] <nemo> joaopinto: I can reinstall my old SDL lib (the none pulse one) and see if I can reproduce.
[21:50] <nemo> (compiz + tabbing + nvidia driver)
[21:50] <joaopinto> Roey, an horrible hack would be to sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse-utils.postinst
[21:51] <Hillshum> Running at full CPU for too long makes my system crash
[21:51] <nemo> Hillshum: overheating most likely
[21:51] <nemo> Hillshum: laptop?
[21:51] <Roey> joaopinto:  what are the ramifications of that??  Couldn't I just apt-get install --reinstall it later?
[21:51] <Hillshum> Yes. But shouldn't it shut itself down gracefully?
[21:51] <joaopinto> Roey, yes you can, this will just install without running the posinst rule
[21:52] <joaopinto> postint
[21:52] <nemo> Hillshum: not if you triggered emergency halt
[21:52] <nemo> Hillshum: what it *should* do is crank frequency down
[21:52] <nemo> unless it did that and even that was not enough
[21:52] <Roey> joaopinto:  what about this: http://pastebin.com/m3096d40a
[21:52] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, what about your sound?
[21:52] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: hallo:) I am reading through backlog
[21:52] <Hillshum> nemo: Any settings I can tweak or anything?
[21:52] <nemo> Hillshum: with some laptop brands a BIOS upgrade is helpful - due to fan speeds being insufficiently aggressive in a vain attempt to cut down on sound
[21:52] <nemo> Hillshum: emifreq-applet
[21:53] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, works fine
[21:53] <joaopinto> didn't reboot yet
[21:53] <nemo> Hillshum: oh. and cpufreq-applet
[21:53] <ubuntuLoverV2> dmatt: sweet, d you get payed to do that, I mean do this. I mean help Ubuntu users? or do you do if for the fun of it?
[21:53] <nemo> Hillshum: the latter is default, I happen to like emifreq-applet UI better is all
[21:53] <Hillshum> nemo: I've occasionally seen messages saying the fans could not change speed
[21:54] <nemo> Hillshum: ah. that would definitely definitely be a problem
[21:54] <Hillshum> So I just change the speed with those?
[21:54] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, wow, then... where is the problem?
[21:54] <DonaldShimoda> :(
[21:54] <nemo> Hillshum: You could try doing something like, if you have a  /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state
[21:54] <nemo> echo 0 > state
[21:54] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: i was here yesterday for the first time :)) but I occasionally helped on other forums
[21:55] <nemo> Hillshum: might be interesting to see what pwmconfig outputs too
[21:55] <ubuntuLoverV2> dmatt: woah what a coincidence! Yesterday was my first time too... I mean since about 3 years ago when I first got into Ubuntu
[21:56] <nemo> Hillshum: also look into that BIOS update (which you can do using El Torrito CD image w/ DOS boot image if you don't have windows on anything you can boot the computer off of)
[21:56] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: ...and it was fun... still no luck with your hdd?
[21:56] <coz_> hey guys... just now updated  and  nauitlus is not respecting chosen gtk2 theme
[21:56] <ubuntuLoverV2> dmatt, no... I don't know what else to try next
[21:56] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, ahhhh, just wait to reboot and you will see!
[21:56] <nemo> Hillshum: also, you should make sure your fan outputs aren't obstructed. My mom would crash her laptop by using it on the bed where the blanks would muffle it.
[21:56] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, :P
[21:56] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, can't reboot now :\
[21:57] <coz_> let me restart x to see if it is just a glitch
[21:57] <nemo> Hillshum: also (and this is really a desperate act) you could put a hot water bottle filled w/ cold water under the laptop as a heat sink :)
[21:57] <Hillshum> nemo: It might be that my legs are in the way of the intakes
[21:57] <nemo> Hillshum: using emifreq-applet/cpufreq-applet to restrict CPU to lowest freq would probably work most of the time
[21:58] <nemo> Hillshum: My S.O.'s laptop I keep propped up at a slight angle on her desk so there is air flow all about the case.  Don't know if it helps, but she likes it better that way for typing anyway.
[21:58] <mzz> it is pretty unfortunate that there's hardware out there that can't stand 100% cpu load like that even under pretty regular external conditions
[21:58] <Hillshum> It's worked fine under XP
[21:59] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: you can try boot the same disc in different computer, reformat the disc, change/upgrade bios, use old ubuntu to actually prove it still can install functional grub etc... how patient is your girlfriend?
[21:59] <mzz> even if left at 100% cpu load for a bit (using a tool like cpuburn)? If yes: any noticeable difference in fan management?
[21:59] <nemo> mzz: yeah, the interesting thing is, my brother had this problem with his laptop.  And then... it went away
[21:59] <nemo> he has no idea why
[22:00] <Hillshum> Hmm. I have many friends with this same laptop, but XP. I'll ask them sometime
[22:00] <nemo> mzz: he notes that around the time it went away he was blowing air into it to try and cool it off using a vacuum (!)
[22:00] <nemo> he wonders if the fan was just defective and now isn't
[22:00] <nemo> Hillshum: his tended to blow up in Vista too...
[22:00] <nemo> Hillshum: Toshiba Satelite A210
[22:01] <nemo> Hillshum: and googling suggested they released a BIOS update that increased fan aggressiveness at cost of greater noise/battery drain, presumably due to overheat complaints
[22:01] <nemo> Hillshum: anyway, until it went away, he used emifreq-applet on lowest setting to keep his machine usable.
[22:01] <nemo> in vista not sure what he did. crashed I guess, or the hot water bottle :)
[22:01] <SpacePigeon> how do I restore the home default folders (with icons) in karmic?
[22:01] <Hillshum> Is there a way to find my BIOS version without booting into it?
[22:02] <nemo> Hillshum: sure
[22:02] <nemo> Hillshum: sudo dmidecode -t0
[22:02] <nemo> Hillshum: t1 is neat too, but doesn't have bios info
[22:02] <mzz> or cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/bios_*
[22:02] <yacc__> Just wondering, after having enjoyed some defective debs, is the following feasible: 1) LVM snapshot the root fs. 2) change the UUID on the snapshot 3) make the kernel boot with the new UUID as root?
[22:03] <yacc__> That would allow one to test upgrades how stable they are.
[22:03] <bbigras> I just started a java app (ps3 media server) and the screen started to do something I could describe as blink and the mouse was stuck. after about half a minute I was able to ALT+F1 and killed the app and now there's something wrong with the graphics, some windows are black. this is what my irc client looks like right now http://imagebin.ca/view/fMpLWBC.html
[22:03] <nemo> yacc__: erm. why not just test in a VM?
[22:03] <joaopinto> yacc__, I don't have experience with LVM, but I guess that should work
[22:03] <mzz> yacc__: one issue is that it's preferable to take the snapshot while the fs isn't mounted
[22:04] <yacc__> nemo, because the VM will not show me if the new nvidia driver makes the kernel train for oops olympics ;)
[22:04] <joaopinto> mzz, what's the problem with doing snapshots from mounted volumes ? (except for changing data files which you don't care unless it's a db) :P ?
[22:04] <mzz> yacc__: so if you take the snapshot while the system runs you'll have to trust fsck and friends to do the right thing if you end up falling back to it
[22:04] <yacc__> mzz well, preferable, but all of our journaling fs should be capable of handling a power failure ;)
[22:05] <mzz> yep
[22:05] <yacc__> mzz well, I take a snapshot, that's the "old-working" system.
[22:05] <yacc__> I modify stuff as needed.
[22:05] <mzz> yep, I know.
[22:05] <nemo> yacc__: hm. wouldn't nvidia driver only be loaded in graphical runlevel? can always revert in safe mode anyway.
[22:05] <nemo> yacc__: seems easier than mucking w/ UUID
[22:05] <mzz> just saying you must trust the journaling as well as any data files open at the time you take the snapshot to cope
[22:05] <joaopinto> a lot can go wrong with real hw support that you will not detected on a VM :)
[22:05] <mzz> and yeah, I wouldn't mess with UUIDs, just tell it to boot the right named volume
[22:06] <yacc__> nemo, not really I had this weekend the situation where mountall was battling with the rescue menu => no text mode at all, let's fetch a boot CD "game" :(
[22:06] <nemo> that sounds easier too :)
[22:06] <nemo> yeep
[22:06] <yacc__> nemo, well, the UUID changes should be scriptable.
[22:08] <yacc__> nemo, e.g. this weekend I had a situation where the nvidia deb was bad for my hardware => I could with a number of tricks and well timed interaction (Esc + root password + open to mountall before rescue-menu comes up) to get a textmode box running => that does not solve the problem that my working nvidia driver is gone :(
[22:08] <ph8> hi all, i have a windows 7 partition that grub didn't seem to detect on install, any info on how i can add my windows entry to grub now?
[22:08] <cohete> what happened to hid2hci in karmic? I can't find it
[22:08] <nemo> yacc__: huh. the working driver wasn't in your local cache still?
[22:09] <yacc__> nemo, which cache? (apt => no)
[22:09] <nemo> yacc__: I had that happen to me a couple of times before, and someone here pointed out was a glib issue in compiling the new driver.
[22:09] <nemo> yacc__: luckily was all still in my cache so reverting was easy
[22:09] <joaopinto> ph8, sudo os-prober
[22:10] <yacc__> Worse, nouveau did not work either, ...
[22:10] <yacc__> And vesa had problems setting up the display :(
[22:10] <ph8> joaopinto:  It found the windows drive thanks, has that cmd also added it to grub?
[22:11] <joaopinto> ph8, run: sudo update-grub
[22:11] <joaopinto> os-prober only setups some config files
[22:11] <joaopinto> update-grub will use the output from os-prober
[22:11] <yacc__> nemo, in truth, this time it was the nvidia driver plus a number of other irritating minor issues like mountall, but having a complete "staging" box that one can test for an hour without risk would be probably worthwhile.
[22:12] <cohete> i see hid2hci referenced in certain bug reports but can't find it on my installation. can anyone verify that /usr/sbin/hid2hci does or does not exist for them?
[22:12] <ph8> joaopinto++; // Thanks!
[22:12] <joaopinto> :)
[22:14] <Hillshum> nemo: HP has a update available. I'll flash it once I finish watching jeopardy
[22:15] <s1300045> hey guys, has anyone tried building a wireless ap? isn't madwifi taken out of repo?
[22:16] <almoxarife1> one more time, anyone set alsa as default sound and managed to make the sound applet work correctly?
[22:16] <nemo> Hillshum: good luck.
[22:16] <almoxarife1> that is use the volume applet to adjust volume
[22:17] <nemo> Hillshum: you can also alter the temperature halt limits, but that could have bad effects - of course, running hot can be bad even if it doesn't halt.
[22:17] <nemo> almoxarife1: heh. I can't get that applet to work even w/ PA as default sound
[22:18] <almoxarife1> nemo: did you previously have alsa as default?
[22:18] <nemo> almoxarife1: not in Jaunty.
[22:18] <nemo> maaaaybe in Hardy
[22:18] <nemo> but I don't think so
[22:18] <nemo> I pretty much left that alone
[22:19] <almoxarife1> left alone??????????????? I can't do it, there must be an answer
[22:19] <ubuntuLoverV2> dmatt: too patient for her own good :D
[22:20] <joaopinto> almoxarife1, the gnome mixer depends on pulseaudio
[22:20] <almoxarife1> joaopinto: I don't think so
[22:21] <almoxarife1> take that back
[22:21] <joaopinto> almoxarife1, I don't think so, I am sure
[22:21] <nemo> "take that back" :)
[22:21] <almoxarife1> yes, you right, I am using alsa mixer
[22:22] <gh0zt> hmm my visual effects are broken in karmic
[22:22] <nemo> oh. thought you were telling him to take that back - "I" is such a useful pronoun. I neglect it at times too though.
[22:22] <nemo> gh0zt: what graphics card?
[22:22] <gh0zt> ATI 4600
[22:22] <almoxarife1> "I" take it back
[22:22] <nemo> :)
[22:23] <nemo> gh0zt: I'm using 4670
[22:23] <gh0zt> does yours work? i'm missing my wobbly windows
[22:23] <almoxarife1> gnome mixer is dependent, it sits and waits for something that is not there
[22:23] <joaopinto> 4670 here :P
[22:23] <nemo> gh0zt: System->Administration->Hardware Drivers - jockey doesn't list anything you haven't enabled?
[22:23] <nemo> probably need fglrx
[22:24] <gh0zt> hardware is green, says using proprietary driver
[22:24] <mbeierl> anyone ever had an asus eeepc that "won't turn on" ?  My daughter's eeepc - power is there but display remains blank
[22:24] <gh0zt> i'll try a hard reboot
[22:24] <gh0zt> brb
[22:24] <ubuntuLoverV2> ghzt: affect not effect... think of effect as in special effect ;)
[22:24] <gh0zt> it is effects muppet
[22:24] <gh0zt> lol
[22:24] <gh0zt> bye
[22:24] <Termana> mbeierl - I have an eeepc, but mines never done that. Though I have seen people have it and resolve it, check out the eeeuser forum
[22:25] <ubuntuLoverV2> yes it is actually lol
[22:25] <nemo> "muppet??"
[22:25] <ubuntuLoverV2> *hides into nearest dark hole*
[22:25] <almoxarife1> that eeepc seems to be buggy
[22:26] <mbeierl> thanks Termana... forgot about them ... will do!
[22:27] <Termana> your mum seems buggy almoxarife1
[22:27] <nemo> mbeierl: don't know anything about eeepc, but... can you determine if it is just the display, if possibly is a CPU fan failure (no whirring), do you hear any suspicious beeps...
[22:27] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: wish me luck... I am going to test karmic on my main notebook... there is some spare partition
[22:27] <almoxarife1> mum?
[22:27] <switchgirl1> MrSchmo: yes
[22:28] <Termana> I'm from Australia we spell it mUm here, not mOm
[22:28] <mbeierl> nemo, nope - it's an SD hd as well, so no sounds usually anyway - but nope, no beeps, no sounds at all...
[22:28] <switchgirl1> its the adaptor usually but I don't know why it won't in this case
[22:28] <dmatt> ubuntuLoverV2: btw have you tried that small /boot partition that mzz advised yesterday?
[22:28] <almoxarife1> 'we' leave our mums out of it here
[22:28] <nemo> mbeierl: no CPU fan sound usually? huh. nice.
[22:28] <cohete> anyone have bluetooth working? scanning very rarely detects devices, and pairing never seems to work for me
[22:29] <nemo> mbeierl: can you ping it? :D
[22:29] <mbeierl> nemo: not during post, maybe under heavy use it'll turn on ;)
[22:29] <mbeierl> nemo: won't boot - no hd activity
[22:29] <gh0zt> hurrah, hard reboot fixed it.. got my wobbly windows back
[22:29] <nemo> mbeierl: ah. missed the no hd activity bit
[22:29] <Termana> almoxarife1: I didn't mean to offend you, was only joking - sorry :P
[22:30] <mbeierl> nemo: not sure if I mentioned it explicitly...  Tried boot with external display attached, no dice there either.  Going over the eeepc forums now...
[22:31] <joaopinto> DonaldShimoda, have you filed a bug report about the sound problem ?
[22:31] <switchgirl1> I have issues with ubuntu one in karmic taking up too much ram
[22:32] <gh0zt> karmic is amazing, all my sound works out of the box <3 u developers
[22:32] <Insomniac``> Hey guys. I need a little help. I was upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 and it seems that my power went out during the upgrade. I'm now stuck in recovery console, and wanting to start networking, but "start networking" and "/etc/init.d/networking start" does not work. What do I need to do?
[22:32] <DonaldShimoda> joaopinto, no, because i not have any data to give
[22:32] <DonaldShimoda> gh0st, heheheheh just dont apply the today update for pulse audio!
[22:33] <mbeierl> fyi: eeepc - from forums "if power and wifi are on it means bad ram"  Those are the lights we've got here... Trying a ram replacement ;)
[22:35] <Termana> mbeierl - I also think people were having the same problem after a bad BIOs flash, but I guess you weren't doing one of those were you?
[22:39] <hipitihop> !archive
[22:39] <DonaldShimoda> smebody just lost sound today after installing the pulse-audio update???
[22:40] <DonaldShimoda> anybody knows how to revert to previous deb for pulseaudio?
[22:40] <IndyGunFreak> DonaldShimoda, no, but how does he know that pulse audio caused the prob?
[22:40] <asteroid> hello, running 9.10 I would like to disable (not uninstall) NetworkManager. I disable nm-applet in "preferences → start applications" and via gnome-terminal I did "sudo update-rc.d -f network-manager remove". I reboot. But NetworkManager still manage eth0 and run (seen in `ps`)
[22:41] <asteroid> Can someone tell me how to disable NM ?
[22:41] <IndyGunFreak> asteroid, are you wanting to do this for a specific user?
[22:41] <asteroid> IndyGunFreak, no. It's a laptop. At home, I run VM (with bridge) and outdoor, I need easy wifi (via NM it's easy).
[22:42] <asteroid> IndyGunFreak, there is only one user
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> weird
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> dunno the answer to that
[22:42] <asteroid> NM and bridge not work : NM still assing eth0 ip, but in bridge it's br0 which get the ip
[22:43] <asteroid> I just want to disable nm.
[22:43] <Docteh> then do so
[22:43] <asteroid> disable at boot
[22:43] <asteroid> not at each boot
[22:43] <almoxarife1> is there a fix to firefox hogging memory?
[22:43] <Docteh> asteroid: apt-get remove it?
[22:43] <Docteh> or look in /etc/init.d for the script name and then fiddle with update-rc.d to delete it
[22:44] <asteroid> [23:40] <<asteroid>> hello, running 9.10 I would like to disable (not uninstall) NetworkManager.
[22:44] <nemo> joaopinto: I was reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio - would setting tsched=0 or 1 help in my issues you think?
[22:44] <asteroid> Docteh, i did all that
[22:44] <nemo> or is that obsolete/fedora specific
[22:45] <Docteh> so whats starting it?
[22:45] <asteroid> I don't know Docteh
[22:45] <asteroid> a grep -i network /etc/init.d/*  say me pulseaudio "should start it"
[22:45] <joaopinto> nemo, I am not sure it applies, per my readings Ubuntu's PA implementation is worse than Fedora
[22:45] <asteroid> but I do not know if INFO BLOC is parsed or just here for hackers
[22:46] <Docteh> if its commented out its not used when actually running the scripts
[22:47] <mbeierl> fyi: eeepc - nope that was not the issue :(
[22:47] <Docteh> probably for a tool to order the stuff properly
[22:47] <nastas> asteroid:did you try sudo update-rc.d -f network-manager-gnome remove? idk if it is right
[22:48] <h00k> Where is the guy I was talking to earlier about a macbook and karmic
[22:48] <h00k> bix-something,
[22:48] <h00k> not here, apparently.
[22:48] <h00k> I see a lot of people having troubles on identi.ca rgarding brightness and such not working
[22:49] <asteroid> nastas, network-manager-gnome does not exists in /etc/init.d
[22:49] <Docteh> indenti.ca is twitter for canadians?
[22:50] <rww> Docteh: identi.ca is twitter for people who believe that using open platforms for their microblogging is good.
[22:50] <Fanfare> what was changed in Xorg? i have problem with xinput device on my tablet...
[22:50] <asteroid> Docteh, when I wrote bash script, sometime I use comments for human and another script can parse the comment
[22:50] <nemo> joaopinto: ... worse??
[22:50] <nemo> joaopinto: odd. thought karmic was on the bleeding edge on this one
[22:50] <asteroid> var=$(grep #comment-1: | cut -d : -f 2)  ← for example
[22:51] <Docteh> ah
[22:51] <asteroid> nobody on irc (freenode) can say me how to disable NM :(
[22:52] <asteroid> is ubuntu really open source  ? :)
[22:52] <Termana> Come off it
[22:52] <Docteh> haha open source doesn't mean without problems
[22:52] <joaopinto> nemo, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html
[22:52] <Docteh> asteroid: its probably the nm applet thats starting it
[22:52] <nastas> asteroid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager?action=show&redirect=WifiDocs%2FNetworkManager#Disabling%20NetworkManager
[22:52] <asteroid> Docteh, open source let me see who launch NM ;)
[22:52] <Termana> Out of interest, why the hell do you want to disable the network manager?
[22:52] <Docteh> he's trying to do a bridge
[22:53] <joaopinto> asteroid, mv /etc/init/network-manager.conf /etc/init/network-manager.conf.disabled
[22:53] <joaopinto> asteroid, oepn source is about reading, not about asking :)
[22:53] <nemo> joaopinto: hum. don't have much context for that
[22:53] <asteroid> nastas, thx but your link seems old
[22:53] <joaopinto> nemo, the date is a good context :)
[22:53] <nemo> joaopinto: like why that flat-volumes thing was enabled. given my weird random volume problems, perhaps it fixes 'em
[22:53] <asteroid> joaopinto, wow. Where did you read that ?
[22:53] <nemo> joaopinto: yeah, but that's just a developer rant. devs always think their stuff is perfect the way it is :)
[22:53]  * asteroid go and try that
[22:54] <dogson> what is up with the netbook-launcher in netbook remix, i have alot of missing icons in the "System" menu, power settings and appearance and alot more are missing, tried to delete .gnome* .gconf* but theyr still gone
[22:54] <nemo> joaopinto: heck. take our attempt at testing before latest hedgewars release :-/
[22:54] <joaopinto> nemo, right, but we are talking about PA's developer
[22:54]  * nemo shrugs
[22:54] <nemo> joaopinto: I have vague memory of some bug I was subscribed to mentioning something about flat volumes
[22:54]  * nemo searches
[22:54] <joaopinto> asteroid, you need to read about upstart
[22:55] <joaopinto> asteroid, man upstart :)
[22:55]  * jimpop wonders how far away upstart2 is
[22:56] <nemo> joaopinto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/403859
[22:56] <nemo>     + 0090-disable-flat-volumes.patch: Many people seem uncomfortable
[22:56] <nemo>       with PA's new default volume adjustment routine, so disable it
[22:56] <nemo>       in favour of the existing behaviour known in previous Ubuntu
[22:56] <nemo>       releases.
[22:56] <nemo> ooops. sorry!
[22:57] <nemo> did not notice that was 4 lines
[22:57] <nemo> "This addresses LP: #403859, #433209."
[22:57] <nemo> joaopinto: no idea what the other one is since either the link is bad, or the server he is linking to is having problems.
[22:58] <asteroid> joaopinto, amazing, that's ok \o/
[22:58] <Fanfare> someone having karmic on a tablet running?
[22:58] <nemo> joaopinto: anyway, 0090-disable-flat-volumes.patch seems like it could only help my current problems, and since the other one mentions bluetooth probably unrelated to me too
[22:58] <nemo> guess I'll try the tsched thing and see what happens
[22:58] <joaopinto> :)
[22:59] <gh0zt> i'm trying it on my HP tablet later this evening
[22:59] <gh0zt> if 64-bit is available that is
[22:59] <Fanfare> gh0zt: could you please then let me know if your input device works correctly?
[23:00] <gh0zt> i'll msg you when it's done
[23:00] <mickster04> 6 channel audio doesnt seem to work in karmic
[23:00] <Fanfare> gh0zt: Im having difficulties with tablet pen using apps like cellwriter
[23:00] <mickster04> is that known
[23:00] <gh0zt> what hardware you running it on?
[23:00] <Fanfare> gh0zt: asus r1f convertible
[23:03] <Fanfare> gh0zt: the prob seems like timing related... i cant get cellwriter to recognize 2 strokes as 1 char... like =
[23:05] <gh0zt> i'll have it running shortly, sooner i get this vista crap off it the better
[23:09] <Insomniac``> does anyone know how to take a read-only filesystem and get it running properly again? >.<
[23:09] <nemo> fsck? :)
[23:10] <Insomniac``> tried that, did nothing after a reboot and all
[23:10] <Insomniac``> is there something i'm supposed to do after a fsck? lol
[23:13] <Fanfare> gh0zt: i did the mistake to let win xp on it .-(
[23:15] <gh0zt> well at least xp is better than vista, vista is such a resource hog but karmic wins
[23:15] <nemo> Insomniac``: you did run fsck w/ repair options right?
[23:15] <Insomniac``> fsck -p -c -f -v
[23:17] <nemo> Insomniac``: ummm. and the filesystem - is it perhaps read only due to privileges?
[23:17] <dt3kk> will the netbook remix run on my laptop?
[23:17] <nemo> Insomniac``: like, is an ext3/ext4 set to be owned by root?
[23:17] <nemo> (external)
[23:17] <Insomniac``> ummmm how would i check that actually?
[23:17] <Roey> hello
[23:17] <Hillshum> nemo: Still around? Don't think it was overheating
[23:17] <Roey> how do I REMOVE grub from /dev/md0?
[23:17] <nemo> Hillshum: oh?
[23:18] <nemo> Hillshum: and. was about to leave :)
[23:18] <nemo> Insomniac``: is this an external HD?
[23:18] <Insomniac``> nope, internal. it's a laptop.
[23:18] <nemo> Insomniac``: windows partition?
[23:18] <Insomniac``> ext3
[23:18] <Hillshum> I need write a script to log the temp for me, then try to crash it
[23:18] <nemo> Insomniac``: root partition?
[23:18] <Insomniac``> yeah. /. everythingi nstalledon /
[23:19] <nemo> Hillshum: pretty sure temperature warnings should get written to syslog
[23:19] <nemo> Insomniac``: aight. well, unless you were really silly, only reason that should be read only is errors on boot
[23:19] <Hillshum> nemo: /var/log/ something?
[23:19] <nemo> syslog*
[23:20] <Insomniac``> right. read-only on boot. i doubt there's any other issue, but there might be an issue cause of the fact i was doing the 9.04=>9.10 upgrade, and i think it was just waiting for a confirmation from me (then the power went out)
[23:21] <Insomniac``> i'm running another fsck to see if it'll work on a reboot again or starting gdm or something.
[23:22] <asteroid> thx folks, see you
[23:23] <nemo> ouch :(
[23:23] <nemo> Insomniac``: UPS FTW
[23:24] <Insomniac``> yeah it is but my laptop is like, ok your power supply went off, four hours to go. i wasn't home for 3 more hours lol
[23:24] <nemo> Insomniac``: huh. you were doing an upgrade remotely
[23:24] <Insomniac``> nah was home, then had school
[23:24] <nemo> ahhh.
[23:24] <Insomniac``> hate it but gotta do it.
[23:24] <Hillshum> nemo: So far all I've found is lots of this http://paste2.org/p/485620
[23:25] <Insomniac``> ugh fscks are so slow on a 320 drive lol
[23:25] <nemo> Hillshum: that appears like it would be unrelated to temperature, if indeed that was the problem
[23:25] <nemo> Insomniac``: much much much faster w/ ext4
[23:25] <Insomniac``> really?
[23:25] <Insomniac``> hmmmm might need to look into that then lol
[23:25] <nemo> Insomniac``: I have a 500GB - happens in seconds
[23:25] <Hillshum> nemo: Should I test it without Compiz?
[23:25] <Insomniac``> you know what. lol
[23:26] <nemo> Hillshum: compiz shouldn't cause your entire computer to power off.
[23:26] <nemo> Hillshum: buuut, maybe disabling nvidia :)
[23:26] <nemo> I certainly have had panics due to nvidia in the past
[23:26] <Hillshum> nemo: :/ I did upgrade the BIOS
[23:26] <Hillshum> s/nvidia/ati
[23:27] <nemo> oh. well. disable fglrx then :)
[23:28] <nemo> Hillshum: logging could be a decent idea.  Also, if you are using emifreq it should display your temperature if your CPU supports
[23:28] <nemo> Hillshum: can use that to see if it is steadily climbing higher just before a crash
[23:28] <nemo> or restrict the cpu speed
[23:28] <nemo> oh well. gotta go
[23:28] <nemo> Hillshum: good luck.
[23:28] <Hillshum> nemo: I both restricted the speed and watched the temp last crash
[23:28] <Hillshum> thanks
[23:30] <Hillshum> Anyone else know what could be causing the problem of hangs during heavy CPU usage?
[23:30] <gh0zt> overheating
[23:31] <Hillshum> gh0zt: I'm pretty sure I've ruled that out
[23:31] <mesula> Forget Karmic, it's Lucid Lynx that I've been looking forward to these last few months.
[23:32] <gh0zt> sounds pervy
[23:32] <yofel> Hillshum: heavy cpu usage from /what/ ? Does it also hang if you just use stress to hog the cpu?
[23:32] <joaopinto> Hillshum, kernel hang ?
[23:32] <Hillshum> yofel: Compiling, games, other things too
[23:33] <Hillshum> joaopinto: Maybe. The screen will blank and the system becomes unresponsive
[23:33] <joaopinto> it could be a "regular" kernel lock
[23:34] <Scotch> hi there
[23:34] <Hillshum> joaopinto: as in...
[23:34] <joaopinto> sorry, i need to sleep :\
[23:36] <nameiner> After installing nvidia drivers skype doesn't show any video anymore. It just shows a white screen where the incoming video should be. Any ideas how to fix that?
[23:38] <Byron> New HDD, new install of 9.04 and network dropped while getting the new packages.
[23:38] <Byron> Is there a way of knowing if I'm somehow using a bad driver for my network?
[23:39] <mesula> Byron: Burn another Live CD.
[23:39] <mesula> Byron: That's what I'm going to do to test my Wi-Fi problem.
[23:40] <Byron> mesula: the thing is that I've had this issue for the past 2-3 releases.
[23:40] <Hillshum> Okay. Just crashed it using stress. Made it to 100C before it went.
[23:41] <mesula> Byron: 2-3 Karmic releases or 2-3 Ubuntu releases?
[23:41] <mesula> Hillshum: That's excessive for a CPU.
[23:41] <Byron> mesula: Kubuntu releases
[23:41] <mesula> Byron: Kubuntu=Ubuntu
[23:41] <Hillshum> mesula: Okay.
[23:41] <Scotch> I'm so exited about Karmic, I soo can't wait. I know I have 2 days to go but I want it soo badly because all my IDEs get updated but I'm so afraid to do it now. Last time I tried (about a month ago) I had many error popups popping from everywhere. Is it stable enough now ?
[23:41] <mesula> Hillshum: You risk causing permanent damage.
[23:42] <Hillshum> eeek.
[23:42] <Byron> mesula: I know.
[23:42] <mesula> Scotch: It's much more stable now than it was a month ago.
[23:42] <mesula> Scotch: I've been tracking stability over the last couple of months.
[23:42] <mesula> Scotch: ecryptfs is still causing my system to crash, though.
[23:43] <mesula> Scotch: But it hasn't hard crashed for a while now.
[23:43] <Scotch> mesula: I don't think I use ecryptfs. Don't know what it is though or if it used by the kernel.
[23:43] <mesula> Scotch: File encryption.
[23:43] <mesula> Scotch: I use it to encrypt my home directory.
[23:44] <xrandr> ok. what could cause sound to arbitrarily work
[23:44] <Scotch> mesula: But I so badly want to upgrade my computer right now just to get GCC 4.4, Netbeans 6.7 and all other stuff without having to download those through something other than aptitude
[23:44] <mesula> Scotch: It's the best newish feature of Ubuntu IMO.
[23:44] <xrandr> i mean, sometimes i boot up, sound works fine
[23:44] <xrandr> other times, not so much
[23:44] <mesula> xrandr: Pulseaudio?
[23:44] <mesula> Scotch: I can't really help you there. Sorry.
[23:44] <xrandr> mesula: not sure if it's using pulse audio or not.
[23:45]  * xrandr likes alsa
[23:45] <mesula> xrandr: I had to disable Pulseaudio on one of my PCs.
[23:45] <mesula> Pulseaudio is promising, just not ready for my uses.
[23:45] <mesula> It's semi-incompatible with Wine. :(
[23:46] <xrandr> and how does one disable pulse audio?
[23:46] <mesula> Also, it hates my motherboard audio.
[23:46] <mesula> xrandr: By uninstalling it.
[23:46] <Scotch> mesula: I know all this stuff is present in Karmic. But I don't want to end up with lots of error popups like it did a month ago
[23:46] <mesula> Scotch: Wait two days and 13 minutes for the official release, then?
[23:47] <Scotch> mesula: but as we are just 2 days from the release, is there still lots of bugs to fix ? I mean, huge bugs ?
[23:47] <mesula> Scotch: No idea.
[23:47] <mesula> Scotch: I'm just an end user.
[23:48]  * xrandr attempts a reboot
[23:48] <Scotch> mesula: last time I asked they answered me like "go ahead Karmic is perfectly stable and just minor bugs left." well it didn't look like this lol
[23:48] <gh0zt> Fanfare: karmic works fine on my tablet so far
[23:48] <mesula> Scotch: When creating LUKS encrypted partitions, some earlier versions of cryptsetup did not wipe out any pre-existing filesystem metadata on the partition.  The current version of blkid used in the Ubuntu 9.10 RC will refuse to export a UUID for a partition containing more than one type of metadata signature. This means that encrypted disks may fail to be decrypted at boot time, possibly preventing the system from booting at all. Users of LUKS system-level d
[23:49] <mesula> Scotch: Empathy's MSN messaging support is provided by telepathy-butterfly, the version included in karmic advertises it supports Audio/Video chat however for stability reasons it has been disabled in Karmic. If you wish to test MSN AV support in Empathy, please install telepathy-butterfly from https://edge.launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa and report bugs so we can make it as solid as possible in Lucid. (437828)
[23:49] <mesula> Scotch: Installing on Marvell Dove boards requires a network connection.  This will be fixed immediately after RC. (457536)
[23:49] <Fanfare> gh0zt: did u test celwriter? how did u install? what tablet driver?
[23:49] <mesula> Scotch: Source: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview#Known%20issues
[23:50] <Scotch> mesula: Thanks :)
[23:50] <mesula> Scotch: A lot of win32 applications don't install and run properly. :(
[23:50] <mesula> Scotch: You're welcome.
[23:51] <afv> hi
[23:51] <mesula> afv: Hello.
[23:51] <afv> i need some help with firefox-3.7. it just "died" and won't start
[23:51] <mesula> afv: You don't really need to say "hi" in a channel with so many people present.
[23:51] <afv> ok
[23:51] <mesula> afv: Try 'killall firefox' before starting it again.
[23:52] <afv> it isn't running
[23:52] <mesula> afv: Are you sure?
[23:52] <afv> and debugging just says Program exited with code 01.
[23:52] <afv> yes, i am
[23:52] <mesula> afv: I thought the latest Firefox was 3.5?
[23:52] <gh0zt> Fanfare: live CD default driver whatever that is
[23:53] <afv> i'm using 3.7
[23:53] <gh0zt> Fanfare: i don't have celwriter
[23:53] <mesula> afv: WTF? There is no 3.7.
[23:53] <afv> mesula, development...
[23:54] <mesula> afv: I thought it was 3.6 that's in development?
[23:54] <hvgotcodes> i just added the no backfill ppa but cant find the actual package
[23:55] <hvgotcodes> so the question is where is the package?
[23:55] <afv> there's 3.7 for some time already..
[23:55] <Hillshum> mesula: there are both
[23:55] <Fanfare> gh0zt: so not installed yet... ok
[23:55] <afv> i've been with 3.6 for some weeks/months and just went to 3.7 last week
[23:55]  * Hillshum thinks it might be overheating after all
[23:56] <yofel> mesula: think of it as like debian: 3.5 - stable, 3.6 - testing, 3.7 - unstable ;)
[23:56] <BUGabundo> 3 days for bunny killing :) w00t
[23:56] <afv> ok, just found this at dmesg: firefox-3.7[4598]: segfault at 0 ip 00f6a050 sp bfd0bad0 error 4 in libxul.so[dbc000+c47000]
[23:58] <mesula> yofel: Roger that.
[23:58] <gh0zt> Fanfare: cellwriter is i386 i can't install it
[23:58] <BUGabundo> afv what addons?
[23:59] <afv> some.. :p
[23:59] <BUGabundo> let me guess, xmarks?
[23:59] <afv> nop
[23:59] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> start in safe mode turn them of
[23:59] <BUGabundo> and then bysec
[23:59] <afv> bysec?