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* TheMuso sighs. *finally* got through bug mail for audio from over the weekend.00:49
TheMusorobert_ancell: Any luck confirming whether a rebuild fixes things?00:57
robert_ancellTheMuso, I just testing a fix to tracker - it's .install file hard-codes the wrong directory00:57
TheMusorobert_ancell: Ok.00:57
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robert_ancellTheMuso, ok, confirmed it works.  It needs both deskbar-applet and tracker to be built with the latest BZR01:46
TheMusorobert_ancell: Ok01:49
TheMusorobert_ancell: does one have to be uploaded/build-dep on the other02:10
TheMusorobert_ancell: Ok so deskbar-applet needs to be rebuilt?02:21
TheMusorobert_ancell: tracker uploaded.02:22
robert_ancellTheMuso, hey - did you upload deskbar-applet?02:55
bratscheHey robert, how's it going?03:03
TheMusorobert_ancell: No, there are no changes from you for it, so I was wondering whether it needs a rebuild.03:06
robert_ancellTheMuso, hmm, I pushed a change to it revno 2103:07
robert_ancellTheMuso, you've just made me realise that tracker doesn't build-dep on deskbar-applet... and it should03:08
robert_ancellbratsche, hi! doing well03:08
TheMusorobert_ancell: heh right, I'll get deskbar-applet sorted, and will await your fix for tracker.03:08
robert_ancellTheMuso, do I need to bump the version number for tracker or can I reuse 0.6.95-1ubuntu203:09
TheMusorobert_ancell: We can try re-using the same version, since its not been approved yet.03:10
robert_ancellTheMuso, cool, thanks03:10
TheMusoI've already marked it as released, but thats no big deal.03:10
TheMusorobert_ancell: deskbar-applet fails to build for me.03:19
TheMusoThis is with latest updates from archive.ubuntu.com03:19
robert_ancellTheMuso, what error?03:21
robert_ancellTheMuso, I'm updated and it builds for me03:21
TheMusorobert_ancell: hrm ok03:36
* TheMuso is building again and its going fine so far, probably got past where it failed.03:36
TheMusoYeah it did, dunno what that was.03:36
TheMusook, uploading.03:37
TheMusorobert_ancell: So if you are going to make the addition to tracker of the build-dep, let me know when done and I'll get it uploaded.03:43
robert_ancellTheMuso, doing now03:44
robert_ancellTheMuso, pushed03:45
TheMusorobert_ancell: thanks03:48
robert_ancellbratsche_, connection problems?03:49
TheMusorobert_ancell: Does deskbar-applet need to be abuild-depend, or should it only be a runtime dependency?03:54
robert_ancellTheMuso, it needs to be a build-dependency as it uses the pkg-config file to find where to install the modules03:55
TheMusorobert_ancell: righto.03:56
TheMusorobert_ancell: uploaded. I also shifted the tag to your latest commit, so that if someone needs to do a version check/diff, your latest changes can still be found.03:59
robert_ancellTheMuso, thanks03:59
TheMusonp04:01
bratsche_robert_ancell: Yeah04:08
TheMusorobert_ancell: I am assuming there are updates in brasero that are useful to have for the final release of karmic?04:36
* TheMuso can't do anything with it atm due to launchpad being offline, but saw it was in the queue for sponsoring.04:36
robert_ancellTheMuso, LP is down..04:36
robert_ancellTheMuso, seb was keen for them, looking at changelog04:36
robert_ancellTheMuso, yeah, just some bugfixes04:37
TheMusorobert_ancell: Ok.04:37
TheMusorobert_ancell: when lp comes back up, I'll sponsor.04:38
TheMusorobert_ancell: Yeah I think we need these bug fixes.05:04
robert_ancellTheMuso, yup05:05
TheMusorobert_ancell: brasero uploaded.05:48
robert_ancellTheMuso, thanks05:48
TheMusonp05:48
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al-maisanGood morning06:12
pittiGood morning06:59
pittididrocks: oh, oops; it broke stuff for other projects06:59
didrocksgood morning pitti06:59
pittirobert_ancell: hi06:59
robert_ancellpitti, hey07:00
didrockspitti: hum, any idea of a workaround to avoid moving the file? :)07:00
pittirobert_ancell: I saw your tracker upload; I accepted deskbar-applet first, I take it this needs to be built and published before we can accept tracker? (it doesn't have a versioned build dep)07:00
robert_ancellyes07:00
didrocksmanual dh_install ?07:00
pittididrocks: you should be able to handle the data/.desktop.in in setup.py's data_files07:01
pittididrocks: doesn't that work?07:01
robert_ancellpitti, is that a manual step? i.e. wait for deskbar-applet to go through the works then push tracker?07:01
didrockspitti: I didn't try, just saw that yesterday evening. Ok, so, listing it manually the "distutils way" should work, right?07:01
pittididrocks: yes07:01
didrocksok, thanks. I will try that today :)07:02
baptistemmhello07:41
seb128good morning there08:36
mvohey seb12808:37
seb128hello mvo, how are you?08:38
mvogood, how are you?08:39
seb128good thanks08:40
seb128not fully awake yet I think08:40
seb128not fully awake yet I think, need coffee, brb08:40
mvoI'm doing bug triage08:40
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pittihey seb128, good morning mvo08:44
mvohey pitti08:45
seb128mvo, oh, fun, I've 591 bug emails from the weekend08:45
seb128I will spend my monday morning doing nothing bug email catchup again08:45
seb128hey pitti, how are you?08:46
pittiseb128: great, had a very relaxing weekend (sauna, swimming, some cooking)08:46
pittiyeah, bug mail is crazy these days08:46
seb128excellent ;-)08:46
pittiseb128: how about your long one?08:47
Tm_Tpitti: no sauna + swimming in cold lake ?08:47
seb128it was pretty good too08:47
pittiTm_T: nah, indoor here :) too cold outside08:47
Tm_Tpitti: ...and that clearly tells me you're not finnish (:08:47
seb128shopping on friday, sleep and sport on saturday, relaxing on sunday ;-)08:47
pittinice08:48
Tm_Tpitti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_swimming08:49
pittiTm_T: I know that, but I think I'd die..08:51
pitticold showering and cold basin after sauna is enough for me08:51
Tm_Tpitti: (:08:52
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:00
pittihey chrisccoulson09:00
TheMusoHey chrisccoulson.09:00
chrisccoulsonhey pitti and TheMuso09:00
chrisccoulsonhow are you today?09:01
TheMusoFine thanks.09:01
chrisccoulsongood:)09:01
chrisccoulsonjames_w - i saw the hung PK dialog again last night09:02
chrisccoulsonbut it was 3am and so i didn' get a chance to debug it :(09:03
seb128do we do video driver update on stable?09:07
seb128the install from my parent is still running hardy but apparently doesn't like their new ati video card09:08
baptistemmhello09:09
seb128lut baptistemm09:09
baptistemmsalut seb12809:09
huatsmorning !09:09
baptistemmhey huats09:10
pittiseb128: harder to do for hardy, since there were no DKMS packages yet09:10
huatshey baptistemm09:10
pittiseb128: for intrepid and above we can do backports09:10
seb128pitti, ok, I guess I will just upgrade09:10
seb128I was waiting next cycle to have a lts to lts testcase09:10
chrisccoulsonhello seb128, huats, baptistemm09:10
pittiseb128: you could just install the bits from upstream09:10
baptistemmHi chrisccoulson09:10
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:10
huatshey chrisccoulson09:11
seb128pitti, I think I will upgrade09:11
seb128lot of changes in this  year too ;-)09:11
seb128hardy feels old09:11
pittiseb128: I guess you mean the proprietary fglrx driver?09:11
seb128no, the distro09:11
seb128putting karmic on it09:11
pittiseb128: I meant for "video driver"09:12
seb128would a new fglrx work with the hardy xorg serveR?09:12
pittiseb128: I don't knwo09:13
pittitseliot might09:13
seb128did anybody ever upgrade using an iso?09:14
seb128ie the "new ubuntu detect do you want to upgrade" dialog you get when putting a new ubuntu cd09:14
baptistemmwhich component manage the ssh-agent in the GNOME desktop? it seems my ssh key is not "properly" loaded, because I can't ssh to a server.09:15
seb128baptistemm, gnome-keyring09:15
mvoseb128: yes09:15
seb128mvo, would that work using a karmic iso on an hardy instlal?09:15
mvoseb128: no :(09:15
mvoseb128: sorry, it will work for lucid (lts->lts)09:16
seb128ok09:16
mvoseb128: but we have no official supported hardy->karmic at this point09:16
seb128it's really annoying09:16
tseliotseb128: fglrx should work there. Why?09:16
seb128I don't fancy downloading one giga of updates when I've most of it on a usb stick09:16
seb128tseliot, the box runs hardy but fail to work with a new ati card now09:16
mvoseb128: you can add the CD as a normal ubuntu cd (via synaptic, apt-cdrom add) and then perform the upgrade09:17
seb128ie the card is newer than hardy no surprise09:17
seb128tseliot, I was wondering was is the best way to get back in a working video09:17
seb128mvo, ok thanks09:17
mvoseb128: hm, thinking about it, it may even work with the CD, we have a supported upgrade for kubuntu09:17
seb128mvo, I don't mind resolving upgrade issues manually09:17
mvoseb128: and I think with the ubuntu-alternative CD it should also work09:17
seb128I just want to avoid downloading for the day what I already have on the iso09:18
mvosure09:18
tseliotseb128: *maybe* you'll have to rebuild the packages on hardy (if dependencies cause problems) but the rest should just work as the old X should be supported09:19
seb128tseliot, ok thanks09:19
seb128let me try09:19
baptistemmseb128, how does gnome-keyring interact with 90x11-common_ssh-agent? (my knowledge with ssh is rather low)09:19
seb128baptistemm, dunno09:20
baptistemmokay09:20
tseliotnp09:21
mvoasac: I get frequent ui hangs with FF on a ext4 system. is there anything I can do about this. its usually small (1-2s) but anoying. latencytop does not show anything (which is odd). I thought it might be the old fsync() issue, but its ff 3.5 and ext4 so that should be all fixed now, no?09:22
seb128tseliot, pitti, mvo: ok solved09:22
seb128the fglrx from hardy is working with this videocard09:23
mvoseb128: oh, that was quick09:23
pittiseb128: nice09:23
seb128I just used jockey to enable it09:23
seb128the box was using ati before09:23
pitti\o/09:23
tseliotseb128: even better ;)09:30
seb128sort of yes09:30
seb128I would prefer using the open source driver still ;-)09:30
seb128I would prefer using the open source driver still ;-)09:30
seb128ups09:30
rickspencer3seb128, pitti, asac, good morning09:30
seb128hey rickspencer309:30
seb128rickspencer3, living in a decent timezone for the week? ;-)09:31
rickspencer3seb128, yes09:31
seb128rickspencer3, how was your flight? and the jetlag?09:32
pittihey rickspencer3, welcome in a sane timezone! :-P09:32
asachi rickspencer309:32
rickspencer3they've sent me to London so I can add value by pestering your for status reports all day instead of just in your evening09:32
asachaha09:32
pittiPHEAR!09:32
asacmvo: yes. the fsync is said to be fixed for ext4 .. soo .....09:33
TheMusoHey rickspencer3.09:39
rickspencer3Good evening TheMuso09:39
asacanyone has a fresh install?09:55
asacdoes /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html exist?09:55
hyperairit exists here.. but not a fresh install =\09:56
seb128pitti, bug #460328, do you know if it's g-s-d or gdm or something else?09:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460328 in gnome-settings-daemon "Gnome keyboard properties conflicts with console-setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46032809:58
cassidyseb128, kenvandif: any progress on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/408530 ?10:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [High,In progress]10:04
seb128cassidy, no idea just back from weekend for 2 hours and still fighting backlog10:04
seb128kenvandif was supposed to look at it but it's probably early for him now10:04
cassidyoki; please mark this bug as a release blocker; I really don't want to have Karmic shipped with this crasher :\10:05
seb128cassidy, it's late now for any karmic change10:05
seb128pitti, rickspencer3: ^10:05
cassidy:(((10:06
rickspencer3cassidy, pitti already milestoned it to karmic-updates, suggesting that it is SRUable10:09
cassidypost release then... :\10:10
Zdrapfff10:19
Zdraepic fail10:19
seb128it's not end of the world, the CD is mainly used for testing and install10:20
seb128the users are usually running stable updates10:21
pittiseb128: looking10:21
seb128ie if it's fixed next week in a sru nobody will notice10:21
pitticassidy, rickspencer3: marking as "karmic-updates" means that we should fix it in an SRU, but not that we must not fix it before; do we have a patch?10:22
Zdrapitti, I have a trivial patch: drop the ubuntu-specific patch from package that proved 10times that it is wrong10:23
Zdrapitti, you can get package from our ppa, it has the needed fix ;)10:24
cassidypitti, don't know, afaik kenvandif was working on a fix (which should be easy, I identified the leak)10:24
seb128Zdra, again you are not being constructive there10:25
seb128Zdra, karmic images are going to be rolled really soon we are not changing behaviour, design, documentation, etc now10:26
Zdra(if only you listened to me from the begining... moooonths ago)10:26
seb128Zdra, you are really not constructive10:27
ZdraI know10:27
proppywhat is the problem ?10:28
seb128Zdra, the indicator changes are design decision so your suggestions are not an alternative there10:28
ZdraWe can't be constructive at this point10:28
Zdrait's too late, and I'm really not happy at all10:28
proppy(I mean what is the bug you're talking about ?)10:28
seb128a crasher due to the libindicate change10:29
seb128but Zdra's reply to a crasher is not to fix it but to change the software behaviour10:29
proppy#nnnn ?10:30
pittipopey: bug 40853010:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40853010:30
proppypitti: seb128 thanks :)10:30
pittiseb128: 460328> that's g-s-d10:34
seb128pitti, thanks10:35
pittiseb128: and hal as well, I think10:35
seb128pitti, I reassigned there and I was not sure10:35
pittiseb128: hal/gdm doesn't really support the concept of multiple default layouts in /etc/default/console-setup10:35
pittiso having "set defaults" configure [us,ru] won't work10:35
pittibut the additional "us" one is a half-bug10:35
pittiit seems that his original "us\t" value is the problem10:35
pittiit's a variant without a name10:35
popeyhullo pitti10:36
pittihey popey10:36
popeycan I help?10:36
popeyoh, tabcomplete fail :)10:36
pittiargh, sorry10:37
popeynp10:37
popey:)10:37
pittipopey: help> sure, always :) enough bugs to fix for everyone :)10:37
chrisccoulsonare there any more bugs you want me to fix? ;)10:38
popey:)10:38
pittichrisccoulson: you are a machine..10:38
* seb128 is going through recent bug emails10:38
chrisccoulsonheh:)10:38
seb128the most frequent complain atm seems to be youtube video playing not working correct in totem, lot of gstreamer errrors there...10:39
proppyah it seems there is an updated patch on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574744#c2410:42
ubottuGnome bug 574744 in General "Empathy could take advantage of the Messaging Indicator" [Minor,New]10:42
proppyabout #40853010:42
proppyit seems related to me, but I may be mistaken10:43
seb128proppy, it's the other way around10:47
seb128the libindicate change comes from ubuntu10:47
seb128the upstream bug is just our patch sent for review10:47
seb128we might have a newer version in karmic that the on bugzilla right now10:47
proppyseb128: I know but it seems that the initial patch has been submitted upstream, and updated10:48
proppyhow ok10:48
seb128well robert_ancell changes landed in karmic10:48
proppyseb128: and does it includes bits from https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574744#c24 ?10:48
seb128but I think there was still incremental changes after that10:48
ubottuGnome bug 574744 in General "Empathy could take advantage of the Messaging Indicator" [Minor,New]10:48
proppyI see :)10:48
seb128yes, robert_ancell works for the canonical desktop team there10:48
proppyseb128: thanks for the explaination10:48
seb128he has been working on those changes for us10:48
seb128and sent back upstream too10:48
proppyseb128: so the leak is still there in robert_ancell new patch ?10:50
seb128robert_ancell new patch is an month old change10:51
seb128so I guess it is yes10:51
seb128it's not a newer version it's an older one10:51
seb128https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.27.92-1ubuntu310:51
seb128I think robert_ancell's change are in this upload10:52
proppyah you're right Robert Ancell                             [developer]                                                              2009-09-18 01:49:49 UTC         , I miss read the date10:52
asacmvo: preferences.d .... refuses to parse files that have a "." ;)10:59
asacwant a fix ?10:59
asacor was there a reason?11:00
* asac had to look in code to understand why no pinning worked there11:00
seb128asac, bug #459199 if you want to subscribe11:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459199 in gdm "gdm face browser no longer shows my user" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45919911:02
asacseb128: Low .... :-P11:02
asacthat not what i wanted to hear11:03
asacCritical at least11:03
seb128right11:03
seb128it should be a karmic blocker11:03
seb128;-)11:03
seb128note that I told you to change the number back a week ago so you could have done it11:03
seb128I expect now is late11:03
asacyeah11:04
asaclet me hug kees11:04
TheMusopitti: seems tracker FTBFs on i386 due to python-gtk2-dev not being installed. I am uploading a fix to add python-gtk2-dev as a build dep for tracker, although deskbar-applet needs python-gtk2-dev as a dep for the pkg-config file somehow in the future.11:18
TheMusopitti: Happy to do it another way if you'd prefer.11:18
TheMusoi.e haven't uploaded yet, but preparing to.11:18
TheMusoSeems the chroot I used to build test these packages today had bits in there that it should have somehow, which is why all looked ok when I uploaded today. :S11:26
pittiTheMuso: please go ahead11:31
TheMusook11:32
TheMusopitti: uploaded11:38
seb128asac, is there any way to clean the firefox smart choices in a text entry?11:39
seb128it remembers things I've typed before11:39
seb128like in the launchpad assignee entry "desktop-bugs"11:39
seb128the thing is that I did a typo once and that one is listed too11:39
seb128I would like to clean it11:40
pittiseb128: select it and press "delete" key11:40
pittiWFM11:40
seb128pitti, doh, so easy, thanks11:40
asacseb128: hmm ... tools -> clear recent history offers you to clear form history ... not sure if thats what you want. i dont think there is a UI to remove that for individual sites11:48
seb128asac, what pitti said11:49
seb128delete11:49
seb128but thank11:49
asachehe11:49
asacfun ;)11:49
asactoo much sophistication for me ;)11:49
asacbut how does that help?11:49
asacor did it remember some bogus value you wanted to remove?11:49
seb128asac, cf what I wrote11:51
seb128" like in the launchpad assignee entry "desktop-bugs"11:51
seb128 the thing is that I did a typo once and that one is listed too11:51
seb128 I would like to clean it"11:51
seb128asac, I add a buggy entry (the one with the typo) and I keep picking it11:52
asacyep11:52
seb128well problem solved now so it's all good11:52
asaci should not start looking for stuff before reading all ;)11:52
proppyseb128: I tried to cdbs-edit-patch 20_libnotify.patch for empathy, but for some reason the debdiff produced is very big11:58
proppyeven thought I only moved 4 lines of code11:59
proppyit seems like all the header of each hunk have been altered11:59
proppyhttp://pastebin.com/f7108531612:00
seb128proppy, weird12:03
asacproppy: the previous patch was done manually12:03
asacso it might be that the order is wrong and all that12:03
asaci would suggest to edit the patch by hand if you know what you want to change ;)12:03
* seb128 lunch12:04
asacor try to use the same command ... or just triple check that the patch is really good12:04
seb128still 111 bug emails in backlog12:04
proppyhttp://pastebin.com/f6f757b8d12:04
seb128the morning was not enough to tackle all12:04
proppyhere is my tentative patch12:04
asacyeah. weekend is bad12:04
seb128kenvandif, ^ for you to review when you are there12:04
seb128proppy, thanks for looking into the issue12:04
seb128lunch, bbl12:05
asacproppy: you need to adjust the hunk markers too12:05
asaclike12:05
asac-260,7 +213,6 @@12:05
asac->12:05
asacoh12:05
asaccant tell because i dont see the original ones12:05
proppyasac: got to go to lunch12:05
asacbut removing lines means you probably need to adjust them12:05
proppyasac: I'll take a look if I'm available after that12:06
proppyasac: yes I know :/12:06
proppyasac: maybe I should use some emacs-fu to edit the patch in place12:06
proppy++12:06
asacright emacs is great for that12:07
mac_vkenvandif , mat_t: Bug #441210 , is schedule for 9.10 , are we expecting it to be in the karmic updates or.... ?12:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441210 in xsplash "boot and gdm "wallpaper" is not dithered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44121012:37
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kenvandinemac_v, thought that was uploaded on thursday, /me looks12:41
mac_vthanks... :)12:42
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kenvandinepitti, what happened with xsplash?13:21
kenvandinepitti, looks like it never got uploaded13:21
kenvandinethe change with the wallpaper13:21
pittioh, for the wallpaper thing?13:21
pittihm, I didn't get bug mail13:21
seb128kenvandine, hi, have you seen the ping about empathy before?13:22
kenvandinepitti, we discussed it on irc...13:22
pittikenvandine: and it's not in the sponsoring queue either13:22
kenvandineseb128, you didn't get my replies?13:22
kenvandinepitti, let me find the bug13:22
seb128kenvandine, no13:22
seb128"<kenvandine> mac_v, thought that was uploaded on thursday, /me looks" is the first think I read from you on this channel today13:23
kenvandineseb128, i guess my irc proxy was not happy13:23
kenvandine seb128, i'll look at that13:23
kenvandine i have a patch from friday that does something similar, and also adds DEBUG hooks to the indicator specific stuff which will be useful in the future13:23
kenvandine seb128 seiflotfy213:23
kenvandine seb128, and i tried desparately to reproduce that bug on friday and just couldn't trigger it, so frustrating13:23
kenvandine i will build it into a ppa and ask the people that have commented on the bug to test it13:23
kenvandine as many dupes as there are, you would think it would be easy to trigger13:23
seb128kenvandine, have you seen the patch from proppy?13:23
kenvandinepitti, bug 44121013:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441210 in xsplash "boot and gdm "wallpaper" is not dithered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44121013:24
kenvandineyou asked me to subscribe you and we chatted about it on irc thursday13:24
kenvandineseb128, yeah13:24
seb128ok13:24
kenvandinethat fixes the leak cassidy was talking about13:24
seb128would be worth uploading now in case it's indeed fixing the issue?13:24
kenvandineseb128, not yet... rick said to make this an SRU13:24
pittikenvandine: hm, weird, I didn't get mailed about it; sorry; let's do that an an SRU then13:25
seb128pitti, ^ do we still have a slot for that one?13:25
kenvandineseb128, pitti is testing now13:25
pittiseb128: not for final, but for SRU sure13:25
kenvandineseb128, i tried to repro it and just couldn't13:25
pittiseb128: (final images are building now)13:25
seb128pitti, ok13:25
kenvandineseb128, and if it was that leak i would think it would be easy to reproduce it13:25
seb128it's easy to trigger for lot of users apparently13:25
kenvandineseb128, yeah... i know13:25
seb128dunno why you don't run into it though13:25
kenvandinei tried everything the users commented about and nothing13:26
pittiseb128: I get it all the time, but I don't have a recipe; it just happens if I get a lot of ICQ chatter13:26
kenvandineand i did it many times13:26
kenvandineif it is protocol related, it isn't the leak13:26
kenvandinei tried with multiple chats at the same time on different protocols and never triggered it13:27
seb128weird13:27
kenvandineproppy, hey thx for the patch13:27
seb128anyway let's see what user testing says about that13:27
kenvandineproppy, i had done something similar on friday, but wanted to reproduce it first13:27
kenvandineseb128, yeah13:27
seb128kenvandine, any opinion about bug #460286 btw?13:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460286 in empathy "Empathy notifications not shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46028613:27
kenvandineand we have a little time13:27
proppykenvandine: is it helping ?13:27
kenvandineproppy, no idea13:27
kenvandinei can't reproduce it, but pitti is going to try13:27
proppysorry, I hadn't time to properly test it13:27
seb128""show notifications when chat is not focussed" enabled by default."13:27
proppyI agree that reproduce it first is needed :)13:28
kenvandineproppy, can you reproduce the bug?13:28
seb128not sure if we want to turn those on13:28
proppykenvandine: no I haven't try13:28
proppyI know that empathy is crashing sometimes on karmic, but I haven't  done any diagnostic13:28
proppykenvandine: I was just reading the thread, and logs here, and waited to help a bit13:28
kenvandineseb128, i don't think we change that default, so it should be the same as upstream13:29
proppysorry if it seems like duplicate work :/13:29
kenvandineproppy, thx!13:29
kenvandineno worries13:29
kenvandinei appreciate it13:29
seb128kenvandine, the question is rather, should we enable it by default?13:29
kenvandineproppy, my concern is if it was that leak, it would be easier to reproduce13:29
kenvandineseb128, i would say it should be13:30
seb128cassidy, ^ do you have an opinion about notifications?13:30
kenvandineif the chat isn't focused, you want notifications13:30
proppykenvandine: obvsiouly there is a reference leak, but I don't know if it is related to the crash13:30
proppyupstream seems to say so13:30
kenvandineproppy, right13:30
seb128kenvandine, is the change obviously right? if it is it doesn't hurt to upload and see if that works for users13:30
kenvandineso the patch is needed :)13:30
kenvandineseb128, it is right13:30
kenvandinei have a little more too13:30
kenvandinewhich also adds some DEBUG output13:30
kenvandineso calls to the indicator and from the indicator get logged13:31
seb128ok, so don't discuss why you don't get the issue but get the fix in a ppa for testing ;-)13:31
kenvandinevery annoying that wasn't already there :/13:31
kenvandineseb128, that is the plan :)13:31
seb128cool, thanks13:31
seb128\o/13:31
seb128I managed to tackle my weekend bug emails lag13:31
seb128over 600 emails13:32
didrockscongrats seb128 :)13:32
didrocks(and hey o/)13:32
seb128didrocks, thanks, and hello13:32
kenvandineseb128, back to the notifications question13:32
seb128had a good weekend?13:32
didrocksseb128: wonderful as you may imagine :)13:33
didrocksyou?13:33
kenvandinei don't quite understand... it isn't enabled but i get notifications, as long as the chat window isn't focused :)13:33
chrisccoulson1seb128 - you need a secretary to help with all those e-mails13:33
seb128chrisccoulson1, indeed ;-)13:33
seb128didrocks, good too thanks ;-)13:34
seb128kenvandine, so maybe the option is buggy and do the opposite?13:34
kenvandinemaybe13:34
kenvandinei definately get notifications13:34
kenvandineand i don't get them if the chat is focused13:34
kenvandinewhich seems to be the right thing13:34
kenvandinei bet it is supposed to be Disable13:35
* kenvandine tests13:35
kenvandineseb128, ok... it is worded right but not sure if it is clear13:41
kenvandineif you have a chat window open and not focused (either not on top or minimized) you don't get notifications unless this open is checked13:42
kenvandineso yes, perhaps it should be enabled by default13:42
seb128I think it should yes13:42
kenvandinei think if the chat is focused, you probably want notification13:42
kenvandines/is/is not13:42
seb128right, if it's focussed you usually read it13:43
seb128kenvandine, thanks for testing13:44
kenvandinenp13:44
kenvandineseb128, and fyi for 2.30 we shouldn't need to patch empathy at all, we should be able to utilize mission-control13:45
kenvandinewhich will be great13:45
seb128for what? the indicator?13:46
kenvandinei will get a plan together for doing that before UDS13:46
kenvandineyeah13:46
kenvandinewe will be able to do what we need without changing empathy13:46
Zdragnome-shell is doing similar thing13:46
rickspencer3seb128, kenvandine are you suggesting changing a setting before final?13:50
seb128rickspencer3, no13:51
seb128rickspencer3, that's lucid material13:51
seb128Zdra, similar to what? not notifying about things which aren't focussed?13:51
kenvandineseb128, i think Zdra was talking about MC integration13:52
seb128oh ok13:52
Zdraseb128, they are going to use MC5 to show notification of incoming message, etc13:52
Zdrait's similar to what ubuntu will have to do, but probably with different UI13:52
seb128ok13:52
seb128pitti, did the apport.mo moved between langpacks?13:55
seb128mvo, seen bug #460547?13:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460547 in update-manager ""Upgrading Ubuntu to version 9.10" untranslated and missing for translation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46054713:57
mvoseb128: that works just fine here locally, let me test in a vm13:59
seb128mvo, ok, there is an ubuntu-translators topic about it so...13:59
seb128mvo, I figured I would let you know ;-)13:59
tgpraveen1hello i am running Karmic RC and some observations which were present in jaunty and prior also. why are mp3 files and other audio files like even oga etc associated with totem and NOT rythmbox by default?13:59
dpmseb128, re: apport.mo, is that about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-October/003051.html?13:59
mvoseb128: thanks, I see what is wrong13:59
tgpraveen1a new user will never know the existence of rythmbox this was.14:00
seb128mvo, you rock ;-)14:00
seb128tgpraveen1, because rhythmbox is a collection manager not a one file player software14:00
seb128dpm, yes14:00
mvoseb128: eh, maybe not - I dig a bit more and let you know14:00
seb128dpm, such issues fixed with a reinstall can be a binary replacing an another one and overwritting the file14:01
seb128mvo, ok14:01
dpmseb128, ok14:01
tgpraveen1hmm then atleast say i select 10 songs and click enter then rythmbox should open up and start playing while buildiing it's collection with these files.14:01
tgpraveen1which it does if i click open with rythmbox14:01
seb128tgpraveen1, I don't think I agree with that14:02
seb128totem is a small player14:02
seb128what you want to use when double clicking somewhere14:02
seb128rhythmbox is a collection software you open and use14:03
seb128you don't want to start rhythmbox to go quickly through some downloaded files14:03
seb128especially not adding those to your library14:03
tgpraveen1hmm doesnt that then defeat the purpose of shipping a dedicated audio player by default. also rythmbox is also simple/plain (in fact too simple ;-) )14:04
seb128totem is an audio player14:05
seb128what do you mean?14:05
seb128you say that rhythmbox should not be installed by default?14:06
tgpraveen1totem can play audio but lacks many audio playing enhancements. no i think it should be installed or be replaced with banshee14:06
tgpraveen1my point is if a new14:06
tgpraveen1user uses ubuntu and clicks on a song file14:07
tgpraveen1then he gets totem and see very few14:07
tgpraveen1features. features that he see most audio players on say windows.14:07
tgpraveen1so eventhough we ship rythmbox people might not realise it atleast initially14:07
seb128we can't open every install software on first start just to show they are there14:08
kenvandinetgpraveen1, perhaps the user should be prompted to import the song into his library or play it14:08
* kenvandine doesn't necessarily think that is a good idea14:08
seb128please don't prompt user when trying to open something14:08
kenvandineyeah14:08
tgpraveen1kenvandine: that might be done the first time. but will start bugging if done everytime14:09
kenvandinenot a fan of that... but opening it in rhythmbox wouldn't be good either14:09
tgpraveen1hmm if banshee replaces rythmbox then also will similar behaviour be followed?14:09
kenvandinei think in banshee you can have it open just a simple player, but still be bansee14:09
kenvandineso you get a bansee player instead of totem14:10
kenvandinedifferent UI14:10
tgpraveen1in banshee there is a file system queue plugin which is enabled by defaulkt14:10
mac_vtgpraveen1: anyways , most probably banshee might land for Lucid ;)14:10
kenvandinetgpraveen1, true... but what does that do if it isn't in your library?14:10
* mac_v wonders why it was rejected for karmic14:10
tgpraveen1kenvandine: it doesnt14:10
kenvandinei suspect nothing but play, which is fine14:10
seb128tgpraveen1, not sure but I would say yes, you don't want to open a collection management heavy application to open a file14:10
tgpraveen1do anything it plays and thats it doesnt put it in llib automatically14:10
seb128mac_v, what banshee?14:11
tgpraveen1seb128: he is just speculating i guess. we were close in karmic right14:11
seb128mac_v, it didn't get any tarball upstream for the whole cycle and lack things required to use it by default14:11
seb128like accessibility14:11
mac_v ah...14:12
seb128tgpraveen1, still you don't want to open banshee or rhythmbox to give a quick try to a music you downloaded14:12
tgpraveen1seb128: well banshee/rythmbox isnt that heavy. i mean for an analogy u r saying to open document files in a document viewer instead of opening in openoffice14:12
seb128banshee is the think which doesn't close when you click on the close button14:12
seb128all the opposite of something you want to quickly fire up, listen 15 seconds and close14:12
seb128tgpraveen1, banshee is not an editor so the comparaison doesn't stand14:13
seb128comparison14:13
tgpraveen1hmm kk. i see your viewpoint but still feel maybe this issue should be discussed more14:14
seb128what issue?14:14
seb128I don't see any issue there14:14
seb128you want to play quickly something the player is there14:14
seb128you want to open your jukebox for the day it's in the menu14:14
mac_v^+114:14
pittiseb128: apport.mo> not that I know of; it's shipped in language-pack-de-base as it should be; what makes you ask?14:26
chrisccoulson1pitti - what's your opinion on bug 437905? i think I already know the answer to it ("no for karmic"), but i just wanted to make sure before commenting on it14:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437905 in gnome-system-tools "System > Administration >Services (services-admin) missing (Karmic)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43790514:28
seb128pitti, one discussion on the translator list14:31
seb128pitti, one translator got it missing and there after reinstall14:31
seb128I was wondering if that was a Replaces: and upgrade issue maybe there14:31
seb128or if it could be one14:31
seb128not worth bothering14:31
pitticould certainly be14:32
pittithese packages have a hideous Replaces: list14:32
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popeyCould someone tell me where there is a definition of what constitutes "server" and "desktop" packages in terms of the LTS support? What packages can someone expect to get security updates for, and which ones can they not?14:34
dobeypopey: i guess the package listings for the CD images would be those lists?15:13
popeydobey: I'd like a more definitive answer than "I guess" :)15:22
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mac_vpopey: i guess , you are looking for something more comprehensive than this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS ?  something very similar to what you mention , was part of mpt 's initial mockups of software center , /me wonders why that was dropped15:54
popeyyes, because that page gives no detail15:55
mptIt's not dropped, but it was never intended for v115:55
mac_vah , nice :)15:55
mptIt's not currently intended for v2 either, unless someone is inspired to implement it themselves :-)15:55
mac_vmpt: you could keep the mockup on the wiki page , so that it might inspire someone ;)15:56
mptmac_v, it's always been there. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Unsorted%20ideas15:57
mac_vlol! i was just blind then :)  i didnt notice it a few mins back15:58
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didrocksrickspencer3: quickly 0.2.6 accepted. It fixes the former issue. (also, I added in 0.2.5 some additional stenza and statements to the tutorial as for instance, the quickly license description had a lot of outdated information)16:14
pittididrocks: so data_files worked?16:21
mac_vtedg: hi ,since the latest inkscape update , inkscape behaves weird :( , during save, it saves to a folder somewhere else [used for the previous save] rather than to where the icon is located16:27
mac_veven that is a bit unreliable , it remembers the last save location of the 'inkscape svg format'16:29
tedgmac_v: The inkscape in the archive or the daily PPA?16:30
mac_vtedg: archive > 0.47~pre4-0ubuntu116:31
tedgmac_v: I think that there were some fixes to that, I'm not sure if they were in the pre4 timeframe.  I'm realizing the nightly is broken right now as the desktop file changed.  I'll try and fix that tonight so you can see if it's fixed.16:33
mac_vtedg: awesome thanks :) ...16:36
didrockspitti: it worked perfectly, thanks :)17:03
AmaranthI don't know what changed but my nvidia system runs compiz perfectly now17:18
* chrisccoulson thinks xchat-gnome needs indicator support18:34
pittigood night everyone18:37
rickspencer3good night pitti18:37
chrisccoulson'night pitti18:38
didrocksgood night pitti18:38
chrisccoulsonhello didrocks18:39
didrockshey chrisccoulson ;)18:39
chrisccoulsonhow are you?18:39
didrocksvery fine, thanks  ;)18:39
didrocksyou?18:39
chrisccoulsonyeah, not too bad thanks. are you looking forward to UDS?18:40
didrocksyeah ;) I'm eager to be there!18:40
chrisccoulsonheh, i bet:)18:40
didrocksand you, still wanting for your child?18:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, she hasn't arrived yet18:40
chrisccoulsonbut she probably will do anytime now18:41
didrocksheheh, you will have soon your release day too :)18:41
chrisccoulsonyup! i don't know what will arrive first - karmic or baby18:41
chrisccoulsonprobably karmic ;)18:41
didrocks:)18:42
chrisccoulsonmvo - i know how to trigger the PK dialog hangs now ;)18:42
mvochrisccoulson: woah, how?18:43
chrisccoulsonmvo - it's a dbus call timing out. if you leave it 25 seconds before entering your password, then it hangs every time18:43
chrisccoulsonit probably explains why we don't see it as often now, since james_w fixed the issue with dbus timeouts timing out too early18:44
chrisccoulsonbut 25 seconds is still bad18:44
mvoyeah18:45
mvocool that you figured out the cause now!18:45
* mvo hugs chrisccoulson18:45
* chrisccoulson hugs mvo18:45
james_wyay chrisccoulson18:46
chrisccoulsonhey james_w18:46
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james_whmm, didn't seem to (not) work here18:48
chrisccoulsonhow long did you leave it?18:49
james_wmore than a minute18:49
chrisccoulsonhmmmmmm, let me try again and time how long it takes here18:49
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chrisccoulsonhmmmm, maybe a red herring then. i just got it twice in a row, and i got it last night after delaying entering my password too19:01
chrisccoulson3 missed opportunities :(19:01
chrisccoulsonnow i can't get it to fail again :-/19:02
raffertySound from headphones but not from speakers on Thinkpad x200. I've tried every workaround I can find... any suggestions?19:17
dobeyjcastro: hey. can you renw my membership to ~ubuntu-bugcontrol plz? :)19:49
jcastrodobey: one sec19:50
dobeyjcastro: thanks19:50
jcastrodone19:51
charlie-tcajcastro: Did anyone tell you I want that last OpenWeek slot?19:52
dobeyjcastro: muchos gracios19:52
jcastrocharlie-tca: maybe? I've been gone for a few days (friday and today off)19:52
jcastrocharlie-tca: just go into the wiki and snag it!19:52
charlie-tcaWill do!19:52
charlie-tcaThanks19:52
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TheMusorobert_ancell: Hey. Seems you left python-gtk2-dev from trakcer's build-deps, as the pkgconfig file for deskbar-applet requires it. I fixed it last night, after finding out it FTBFs on i386. Seems I tested with a chroot that was in a bad state yesterday.21:58
TheMusotracker even21:59
robert_ancellTheMuso, ah, pkg-config dependencies are checked22:00
robert_ancellTheMuso, thanks22:00
TheMusorobert_ancell: seems so.22:00
robert_ancellTheMuso, I was having a discussion with someone about pkg-config, apparently there generally shouldn't be anything in the Required field22:01
TheMusorobert_ancell: Interesting.22:02
robert_ancellTheMuso, yeah, as you don't need to explicitly link to dependencies - the linker should take care of that for you22:02
TheMusorobert_ancell: In any case, deskbar-applet needs to have that dependency, but its a little weird. I personally think a new package deskbar-applet-dev needs to be made, for the pkg-config file and other bits.22:02
robert_ancellTheMuso, there is a Requires.private field22:02
robert_ancellTheMuso, agreed22:03
TheMusorobert_ancell: BTW slangasek rejected brasero, he asked for it to be an SRU.22:28
robert_ancellTheMuso, ok22:29

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