[02:35] oh my: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls [02:46] One of those times I'm glad Quassel has web preview so I don't actually click on the link. [02:49] just be glad the preview doesn't have flash support :P [02:49] or does it? That'd be annoying [02:51] It doesn't. === dpm-afk is now known as dpm === m4v_ is now known as m4v [08:22] * Sput thinks it does [09:30] I probably fled in horror before it finished. [09:54] morning happy testers [10:00] ScottK: I'm not 100% sure, but I think I've seen flash in the preview (maybe there's some configuration for QtWebkit too?) [10:31] ScottK: no svn found for kgmailnotifier, I sent an email to author hoping he responds today [12:27] I've just logged results of the ISO testing and it's all good. :) [12:36] ehlo folks [12:36] Half-Left: nice (: [12:38] Would be good to have a nice picture in the background, instead of a white screen while it's installing. :) [12:46] hi. i want to contribute to beta testing the karmic koala RC [12:46] I am backing up my old home directory while I am running from the live CD [12:47] as the regular update just destroyed the systems ability to boot === ubuntu_ is now known as worufu [12:48] I did the update the day before yesterday (from 9.04 to 9.10) [12:48] sind then it was kind of a lottery game when booting [12:49] every 10th time or so it went through to KDM [12:49] when running almost everything was perfect [12:49] but today I never was able to get KDM running [12:50] it does some boot routine though.... but it is difficult to see what's going on... as there are many blank screens stealing the focus during boot process [12:50] is there any way I can contribute interesting data? [12:50] or shall I just proceed overwriting the existing install with an install from the live CD? [12:55] uhm.... #ubuntu-1 ? [12:55] #ubuntu+1 [13:02] hi worufu [13:02] if you have logs in /var/log/syslog that would be useful for a bug report [13:06] going back to testing now but if you also are able to test installs that would be great [13:07] o/ [13:08] * rgreening is a good looking developer.. ('notices topic') [13:08] Riddell: I have syslogs available. but I have no clue where to contribute and post them [13:09] Riddell: just printed the syslog on the screen and noticed that the last lines were full of not human readable bytecode [13:16] sorry for starting off in the wrong channel... will hang around in #ubuntu+1 for a while [13:16] good luck with the upcoming release. I love your work. [13:22] ScottK: you going to the md loco party saturday? [13:28] is it expected to have video preview thumbnails in karmic? [13:28] wow.. kmail imap is crashy [13:29] EagleScreen: if you install mplayerthumbs, yes [13:30] anything else to do after installing it? [13:30] might have to enable plugins for videos in dolphin config [13:31] rgreening: use disconnected IMAP, works much better imho. [13:32] yes, JontheEchidna, after changing configuration it is working [14:35] mmm... bluetooth mouse... makes the mini10v touchpad issues irrelevant :) [14:35] yes it does :) [14:37] :) [14:38] * claydoh is jealous of y'all and your fancy netbooks :) [14:42] tho a 6 y/old laptop is nice enough for testing out kubuntu netbook :) [14:47] ScottK: ping [15:10] after the cd rebuild i'll start to test kubuntu i386 cd [15:11] one question about the iso testing... [15:12] why is the kubuntu testing organized here and not in ubuntu testing? only because of the "ubuntu"? [15:24] is random playlist generation broken in amarok? [15:29] rgreening: it's only random it you have more than 1 track dude ;) [15:30] lol. [15:30] I have 5000 [15:30] however, the random population doesn't happen and repopulate is greyed out. [15:34] agateau: the new plasma-widget-networkmanagment package breaks my wireless connection on two different laptops. They do not reconnect after suspend. It worked on both with 0.9~svn1029786-0ubuntu1. [15:42] neversfelde: oh, I thought it always "featured" this bug :/ [15:42] mmm [15:45] neversfelde: can you test the packages from https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=plasma-widget-networkmanagement&build_state=built to pinpoint which one did introduce the breakage? [15:46] agateau: sure [15:46] neversfelde: thanks! [15:57] I can't restart X with kdm with the RC. [15:57] are you guys aware of this? [16:01] also, the facebook plugin makes Kopete crash on exit === seele_ is now known as seele [16:09] bbigras: facebook plugin got moved to universe because of that crash and other issues [16:09] bbigras: kdm's interaction with X seems to depend on X drivers as much as anything, what graphics card? [16:09] Riddell: nvidia [16:10] bbigras: restarting from the kdm login screen? [16:10] Riddell: yes [16:11] works fine here with intel [16:12] so I'd suspect it's an issue with nvidia drivers [16:12] Riddell: would .xsession-errors provide any hints? [16:12] possibly [16:13] One of the last thing I saw in this file was kwin crashing. I'll try it again in 5-10 minutes [16:17] hey Riddell [16:18] hi rgreening [16:18] how are things coming along since Ive been away Riddell [16:18] well we fixed all the bugs and we're almost set to do a release :) [16:19] all the bugs :) [16:19] haha [16:19] funny man [16:19] :) [16:19] even bug #1 [16:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [16:19] lol [16:19] hey, I can connect to my wireless, that must count for half the problems/gripes :) [16:20] well obviously that'll only get fixed after release [16:21] hahah [16:21] I think I have more converts since my trip to winnipeg. :) [16:21] Why on my laptop (1920x1200) I need to set the font size to 96 ppp to avoid weird big font problem and not on the other computers (with lower resolution) I have? [16:21] * rgreening spreads kubu love [16:21] Riddell: for the final release notes, should we try for a user-oriented type of format? [16:22] Riddell: I am trying to come up with something more fun and interesting than the usual version-number-is-now-bigger sort of thing [16:23] I converted a bud to Kubuntu this weekend :) [16:23] btw I'm asking for the font size thing because the ubiquity is not really pretty with big fonts. [16:24] claydoh: what would be changed? [16:24] Riddell: dunno yet, brainstorming right now [16:25] but yes it should be user feature orientated as much as possible [16:25] maybe just list the improvements and additions, highlight what those features [16:25] that have changed/improved/benn added [16:26] I know I shoulda kept a jaunty somewhere for comparison :) [16:59] Riddell: I didn't see anything in .xsession-erros when trying to restart X. The last thing I see in that file is kwin crashing [17:01] the kwin crash on logout is a known, separate issue that's been around since KDE 4.1 times [17:01] /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old may be of use [17:02] kwin crash on logout? [17:02] NVIDIA driver? [17:02] yes nvidia [17:02] yeah, nvidia [17:02] http://pastebin.ca/1645342 [17:03] JontheEchidna: I'll check /var/log/Xorg.0 brb [17:08] anybody want to take care of bug 460984? [17:08] Launchpad bug 460984 in language-pack-kde-nl "KMail Dutch: translator's e-mail in application" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460984 [17:26] is there anything sinister lying in the 9.10 upgrade process that I need to be aware of before upgrading my machine here? [17:26] monsters [17:27] well, the boot system now relies completely on upstart scripts, it's supposed to work reliably but you never know what could happen :p [17:28] Grub --> Grub2 transition could also potientially causes problems [17:28] JontheEchidna: I didn't see anything special in the log file except maybe "ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log" at the end [17:29] bbigras: yeah, X is crashing then [17:29] smarter: are the configs kind of the same? [17:29] Sime: for grub2? not at all [17:29] it's in /boot/grub/grub.cfg now, instead of menu.lst [17:29] ok, coz my grub config is pretty nutty [17:30] and it's automatically generated by scripts in /etc/grub.d [17:31] JontheEchidna: btw I'm able to log back in. only restart X don't works. do you have ideas where else I could also look? [17:31] not really, sorry :( [17:32] thanks anyways for the help. [17:40] ok, upgrade aborts if ubuntu-minimal is not installed... [17:44] I reported the X restart issue with kdm, should I link the bug on the iso testing website even if I'm using the RC iso which I guess is not the latest one? [17:51] seele: hey === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:01] Sime: there is a potential issue with upgrade caused by pykde, but it's a packaging issue and should only affect people with conf files that get upgraded after pykde which won't be many, I'm fixing it now [18:02] Riddell: does that mean I will have a bad evening?? [18:03] Sime: it's very unlikely [18:03] * Sime happily clicks on the next step of the upgrade process. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:04] "Error authenticating some packages"... mmm [18:04] expected? [18:04] nope [18:04] do you have something strange in your sources.list ? [18:05] it has listed a mega-ton of packages [18:05] all of them I think. [18:06] Sime: is apt's gpg setup broken? what happened when you installed ubuntu-minimal? [18:07] davmor2: can you say what you upgraded from when you report upgrade results in e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3313/85 [18:07] jaunty [18:08] Riddell: nothing exciting happened. [18:08] Sime: did it moan about being unable to authenticate? [18:09] Riddell: no, but I did have some network trouble with nl.archive.ubuntu.com. [18:09] Also, is it normal that the upgrader be so slow at d/l'ing files? [18:10] that just depends on your mirror and internet connection [18:12] it is faster now (caching??) [18:12] it's just an http connection, nothing unusual about it [18:14] it is now threaten to upgrade. ;-) There must have been a network "glitch". [18:16] it is now warming up my ADSL modem. :) [18:17] if you have cats be careful, they'll go to sleep on it and it'll overheat [18:20] davmor2: the test machine I have with windows xp on it has had windows xp destroying the grub setup after it boots, this doesn't happen with jaunty's grub, have you seen anything like that? [18:21] nope [18:23] Riddell: I'll have a look in a minute though [18:25] davmor2: I suspect it'll be a feak issue with this windows xp install but would be a problem if it was a general issue [18:27] Riddell: I has a new compaq110 with xp preinstalled I'm about to test kne and unr so we'll soon know :) [18:28] Hrm, anyone got a simple way of discovering other linux machines on a home network? [18:29] jussi01: walk up to the box? [18:30] jussi01: avahi-browse -a [18:31] zeroconf:/ will show if anything is advertising http or ssh but most don't unfortunately [18:32] hrm. is there a way I can get it to advertise ssh? [18:34] avahi-publish-service "crack me" _ssh._tcp 22 [18:35] hehe :) [18:36] 1 last quick question, behind a firewalled router, thatll only advertise on the local network? (its my media pc...) [18:37] yes it's local network only [18:38] yay, thanks :) [18:45] hi nookie^, how's that banner coming along? [18:48] hi Riddell! hehehe actually im just now looking how to create it =) [18:48] have been thinking now for an hour how i can create it =) [19:46] hm, I just had a look at the Software Center, so one can only select one single item, installs that and goes to the next? That takes ages [19:49] Mamarok: no you install one move back select the next etc [19:49] upgrade got 404 on a couple packages. I'm guessing a mirror sync issue. [19:50] davmor2: that is lame [19:50] no way to preselect and then isntall all in one go? [19:50] install* [19:51] Wait I should be using grub2? [19:51] I upgraded and I'm still on grub 1 [19:51] bbigras: hi === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:27] shit, kdesudo crashed. [20:29] how now brown cow?? [20:29] segfault [20:33] Riddell: so far like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/wwWopm2.html [20:44] Sime: sudo start it back? [20:45] skreech: I'm running dpkg configure manually [20:48] ok [21:03] anyone having issues with power devil on karmic? its timing seems off. i have it set to display dim after 1 minute of idle, but instead it dims immediately (ie, not a full minute) [21:03] reproducible with a fresh user account? [21:04] I can't reproduce the symptom you describe in vbox with the 20091027 desktop image. [21:04] granted, I don't know offhand if I need to run it on bare metal. [21:06] anyone know a simple way of updating grub and its config? [21:06] what are the menu steps to get to kpackagekit? [21:08] dtchen: mm nope. now i wonder whats wrong with mine [21:08] LaserJock: kickoff -> computer -> kpackagekit [21:08] maco: s/kickoff/K menu/ ? [21:09] maco: it's for documentation [21:09] maco: looks like you have conffile cruft [21:09] LaserJock: or kickoff -> applications -> system -> kpackagekit [21:09] LaserJock: dunno what its called elsewhere in docs, but it doesnt act the same as the k menu did... [21:09] i think its "application launcher" or something [21:09] maco: is it actually listed as "kpackagekit"? [21:10] LaserJock: it says "KPackageKit" and then as a subtitle "Software Management" when you look in "Computer" [21:10] awesome, thanks [21:10] which is the name and which is the subtitle are reversed in System [21:10] Others have the same issue with failsafe bombing. [21:11] LaserJock: got that? [21:11] maco: yep [21:11] ok [21:17] and not being able to get to TTYs as well [21:18] Konsole doesn't work for failsafe [21:21] well as x-terminal-emulator === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:25] wish me luck. [attempting reboot] [21:29] dtchen: i lied [21:29] apparently when i dont sleep one night, the effects last > 1 day, because i was reading the wrong line [21:29] Riddell: just to confirm that xp and grub work fine here [21:29] though that was only 22 mississippis, not 50-70-ish whe the screen dimmed for the new user, so it was still odd [21:31] well, my conffile doesnt look broken. and this started happening a few days ago without any changes to my configuration. so im confused === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [21:36] *shrug* works if i change it to 2min instead of 1. whatver. [21:36] what in the world does "i lied" refer to? [21:36] dtchen: apparently that message didnt send [21:36] oh well [21:37] i said that the new user dint have that problem but that the conf file wasnt updating when i changed settings in power devil. then i realized i was reading the wrong line of the conf file [21:37] so then i said "i lied" [21:38] ok, that's only slightly less befuddling [21:41] screech: your theory is not right, I could get to TTY before I attempted the failsafe login [21:42] dmatt: Then you couldn't afterwards? [21:42] yes [21:43] yikes [21:44] When you tried to switch to TTY you get a black screen? [21:44] skreech: yes, without cursor [21:45] Did you try to get back to TTY7 ? [21:45] screech: but session still existed, it promted me to close it when I went for restart [21:46] skreech, yes, I chose to restart there [21:46] Yep me too [21:47] I did it again and got the same thing [21:47] I went through the motions of logging in then I touched a file in ~ and rebooted [21:47] When it came back up the file existed so I know that things are working but you just can't see anything [21:47] Logging in as failsafe throws a X driver error [21:48] well it does for me [21:49] But whatever Konsole is doing is messing with X pretty bad [21:49] screech: you still can perfectly work and see everything, if you do not attempt any login and go straight to tty [21:49] dmatt: I know [21:49] and You can fix the failsafe pretty easy [21:49] well for me it's a fix [21:49] skreech: (i finally got your nick right) [21:50] Workaround for others I suppose [21:50] Yay! :) [21:50] skreech: why does it work on that old computer then, even after failsafe login? [21:51] it has old ATI card with open driver [21:51] Probably it [21:51] 9600 ? [21:52] IGP 350M [21:52] skreech: IGP 340M, sorry [21:52] it is notebook [21:53] Hmm ok [21:53] I'm using nvidia right now I've not had any issues with my older ATI and the open driver [21:54] what video card are you using on the newer one? [21:54] ATI 3400 (it is notebook HP 6930p) [21:54] Which driver? [21:55] open [21:55] Hmm that's not helpful then [21:55] Kernel difference ? [21:57] both are on 31-14, but old one is x86 and new one is 64 [22:00] skreech: that might be something... [22:05] Hmm ok [22:05] I'm x86 so maybe not [22:16] skreech: old one was installed while connected to internet, new one entirely from cd an later upgraded [22:17] This is a straight upgrade from Jackalope [22:17] Kpackagekit has the most aggravating errors [22:17] There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation. [22:41] nookie^: that seems good === GREEK is now known as Guest11301 [22:45] Sime: how was the upgrade? === flacoste is now known as flacoste_afk [23:35] ScottK: I left you kne manual :) [23:55] apachelogger: do I know Christopher Eberl ?