[02:35] <JontheEchidna> oh my: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls
[02:46] <ScottK> One of those times I'm glad Quassel has web preview so I don't actually click on the link.
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> just be glad the preview doesn't have flash support :P
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> or does it? That'd be annoying
[02:51] <ScottK> It doesn't.
[08:22]  * Sput thinks it does
[09:30] <ScottK> I probably fled in horror before it finished.
[09:54] <Riddell> morning happy testers
[10:00] <Sput> ScottK: I'm not 100% sure, but I think I've seen flash in the preview (maybe there's some configuration for QtWebkit too?)
[10:31] <Lex79> ScottK: no svn found for kgmailnotifier, I sent an email to author hoping he responds today
[12:27] <Half-Left> I've just logged results of the ISO testing and it's all good. :)
[12:36] <ghostcube> ehlo folks
[12:36] <Tm_T> Half-Left: nice (:
[12:38] <Half-Left> Would be good to have a nice picture in the background, instead of a white screen while it's installing. :)
[12:46] <ubuntu_> hi. i want to contribute to beta testing the karmic koala RC
[12:46] <ubuntu_> I am backing up my old home directory while I am running from the live CD
[12:47] <ubuntu_> as the regular update just destroyed the systems ability to boot
[12:48] <worufu> I did the update the day before yesterday (from 9.04 to 9.10)
[12:48] <worufu> sind then it was kind of a lottery game when booting
[12:49] <worufu> every 10th time or so it went through to KDM
[12:49] <worufu> when running almost everything was perfect
[12:49] <worufu> but today I never was able to get KDM running
[12:50] <worufu> it does some boot routine though.... but it is difficult to see what's going on... as there are many blank screens stealing the focus during boot process
[12:50] <worufu> is there any way I can contribute interesting data?
[12:50] <worufu> or shall I just proceed overwriting the existing install with an install from the live CD?
[12:55] <worufu> uhm.... #ubuntu-1 ?
[12:55] <worufu> #ubuntu+1
[13:02] <Riddell> hi worufu
[13:02] <Riddell> if you have logs in /var/log/syslog that would be useful for a bug report
[13:06] <Riddell> going back to testing now but if you also are able to test installs that would be great
[13:07] <rgreening> o/
[13:08]  * rgreening is a good looking developer.. ('notices topic')
[13:08] <worufu> Riddell: I have syslogs available. but I have no clue where to contribute and post them
[13:09] <worufu> Riddell: just printed the syslog on the screen and noticed that the last lines were full of not human readable bytecode
[13:16] <worufu> sorry for starting off in the wrong channel... will hang around in #ubuntu+1 for a while
[13:16] <worufu> good luck with the upcoming release. I love your work.
[13:22] <seele> ScottK: you going to the md loco party saturday?
[13:28] <EagleScreen> is it expected to have video preview thumbnails in karmic?
[13:28] <rgreening> wow.. kmail imap is crashy
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: if you install mplayerthumbs, yes
[13:30] <EagleScreen> anything else to do after installing it?
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> might have to enable plugins for videos in dolphin config
[13:31] <jussi01> rgreening: use disconnected IMAP, works much better imho.
[13:32] <EagleScreen> yes, JontheEchidna, after changing configuration it is working
[14:35] <rgreening> mmm... bluetooth mouse... makes the mini10v touchpad issues irrelevant :)
[14:35] <jjesse> yes it does :)
[14:37] <rgreening> :)
[14:38]  * claydoh is jealous of y'all and  your fancy netbooks :)
[14:42] <claydoh> tho a 6 y/old laptop is nice enough for testing out kubuntu netbook :)
[14:47] <agateau> ScottK: ping
[15:10] <mcas> after the cd rebuild i'll start to test kubuntu i386 cd
[15:11] <mcas> one question about the iso testing...
[15:12] <mcas> why is the kubuntu testing organized here and not in ubuntu testing? only because of the "ubuntu"?
[15:24] <rgreening> is random playlist generation broken in amarok?
[15:29] <davmor2> rgreening: it's only random it you have more than 1 track dude ;)
[15:30] <rgreening> lol.
[15:30] <rgreening> I have 5000
[15:30] <rgreening> however, the random population doesn't happen and repopulate is greyed out.
[15:34] <neversfelde> agateau: the new plasma-widget-networkmanagment package breaks my wireless connection on two different laptops. They do not reconnect after suspend. It worked on both with 0.9~svn1029786-0ubuntu1.
[15:42] <agateau> neversfelde: oh, I thought it always "featured" this bug :/
[15:42] <agateau> mmm
[15:45] <agateau> neversfelde: can you test the packages from https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=plasma-widget-networkmanagement&build_state=built to pinpoint which one did introduce the breakage?
[15:46] <neversfelde> agateau: sure
[15:46] <agateau> neversfelde: thanks!
[15:57] <bbigras> I can't restart X with kdm with the RC.
[15:57] <bbigras> are you guys aware of this?
[16:01] <bbigras> also, the facebook plugin makes Kopete crash on exit
[16:09] <Riddell> bbigras: facebook plugin got moved to universe because of that crash and other issues
[16:09] <Riddell> bbigras: kdm's interaction with X seems to depend on X drivers as much as anything, what graphics card?
[16:09] <bbigras> Riddell: nvidia
[16:10] <Riddell> bbigras: restarting from the kdm login screen?
[16:10] <bbigras> Riddell: yes
[16:11] <Riddell> works fine here with intel
[16:12] <Riddell> so I'd suspect it's an issue with nvidia drivers
[16:12] <bbigras> Riddell: would .xsession-errors provide any hints?
[16:12] <Riddell> possibly
[16:13] <bbigras> One of the last thing I saw in this file was kwin crashing. I'll try it again in 5-10 minutes
[16:17] <rgreening> hey Riddell
[16:18] <Riddell> hi rgreening
[16:18] <rgreening> how are things coming along since Ive been away Riddell
[16:18] <Riddell> well we fixed all the bugs and we're almost set to do a release :)
[16:19] <rgreening> all the bugs :)
[16:19] <rgreening> haha
[16:19] <rgreening> funny man
[16:19] <rgreening> :)
[16:19] <rgreening> even bug #1
[16:19] <rgreening> lol
[16:19] <claydoh> hey, I can connect to my wireless, that must count for half the problems/gripes :)
[16:20] <Riddell> well obviously that'll only get fixed after release
[16:21] <rgreening> hahah
[16:21] <rgreening> I think I have more converts since my trip to winnipeg. :)
[16:21] <bbigras> Why on my laptop (1920x1200) I need to set the font size to 96 ppp to avoid weird big font problem and not on the other computers (with lower resolution) I have?
[16:21]  * rgreening spreads kubu love
[16:21] <claydoh> Riddell: for the final release notes, should we try for a user-oriented type of format?
[16:22] <claydoh> Riddell: I am trying to come up with something more fun and interesting than the usual version-number-is-now-bigger sort of thing
[16:23] <claydoh> I converted a bud to Kubuntu this weekend :)
[16:23] <bbigras> btw I'm asking for the font size thing because the ubiquity is not really pretty with big fonts.
[16:24] <Riddell> claydoh: what would be changed?
[16:24] <claydoh> Riddell: dunno yet, brainstorming right now
[16:25] <Riddell> but yes it should be user feature orientated as much as possible
[16:25] <claydoh> maybe just list the improvements and additions, highlight what those features
[16:25] <claydoh> that have changed/improved/benn added
[16:26] <claydoh> I know I shoulda kept a jaunty somewhere for comparison :)
[16:59] <bbigras> Riddell: I didn't see anything in .xsession-erros when trying to restart X. The last thing I see in that file is kwin crashing
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> the kwin crash on logout is a known, separate issue that's been around since KDE 4.1 times
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old may be of use
[17:02] <mgraesslin> kwin crash on logout?
[17:02] <mgraesslin> NVIDIA driver?
[17:02] <bbigras> yes nvidia
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah, nvidia
[17:02] <bbigras> http://pastebin.ca/1645342
[17:03] <bbigras> JontheEchidna: I'll check /var/log/Xorg.0 brb
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> anybody want to take care of bug 460984?
[17:26] <Sime> is there anything sinister lying in the 9.10 upgrade process that I need to be aware of before upgrading my machine here?
[17:26] <smarter> monsters
[17:27] <smarter> well, the boot system now relies completely on upstart scripts, it's supposed to work reliably but you never know what could happen :p
[17:28] <smarter> Grub --> Grub2 transition could also potientially causes problems
[17:28] <bbigras> JontheEchidna: I didn't see anything special in the log file except maybe "ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log" at the end
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> bbigras: yeah, X is crashing then
[17:29] <Sime> smarter: are the configs kind of the same?
[17:29] <smarter> Sime: for grub2? not at all
[17:29] <smarter> it's in /boot/grub/grub.cfg now, instead of menu.lst
[17:29] <Sime> ok, coz my grub config is pretty nutty
[17:30] <smarter> and it's automatically generated by scripts in /etc/grub.d
[17:31] <bbigras> JontheEchidna: btw I'm able to log back in. only restart X don't works. do you have ideas where else I could also look?
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> not really, sorry :(
[17:32] <bbigras> thanks anyways for the help.
[17:40] <Sime> ok, upgrade aborts if ubuntu-minimal is not installed...
[17:44] <bbigras> I reported the X restart issue with kdm, should I link the bug on the iso testing website even if I'm using the RC iso which I guess is not the latest one?
[17:51] <djsiegel> seele: hey
[18:01] <Riddell> Sime: there is a potential issue with upgrade caused by pykde, but it's a packaging issue and should only affect people with conf files that get upgraded after pykde which won't be many, I'm fixing it now
[18:02] <Sime> Riddell: does that mean I will have a bad evening??
[18:03] <Riddell> Sime: it's very unlikely
[18:03]  * Sime happily clicks on the next step of the upgrade process.
[18:04] <Sime> "Error authenticating some packages"... mmm
[18:04] <Sime> expected?
[18:04] <Riddell> nope
[18:04] <Riddell> do you have something strange in your sources.list ?
[18:05] <Sime> it has listed a mega-ton of packages
[18:05] <Sime> all of them I think.
[18:06] <Riddell> Sime: is apt's gpg setup broken?  what happened when you installed ubuntu-minimal?
[18:07] <Riddell> davmor2: can you say what you upgraded from when you report upgrade results in e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3313/85
[18:07] <davmor2> jaunty
[18:08] <Sime> Riddell: nothing exciting happened.
[18:08] <Riddell> Sime: did it moan about being unable to authenticate?
[18:09] <Sime> Riddell: no, but I did have some network trouble with nl.archive.ubuntu.com.
[18:09] <Sime> Also, is it normal that the upgrader be so slow at d/l'ing files?
[18:10] <Riddell> that just depends on your mirror and internet connection
[18:12] <Sime> it is faster now (caching??)
[18:12] <Riddell> it's just an http connection, nothing unusual about it
[18:14] <Sime> it is now threaten to upgrade. ;-) There must have been a network "glitch".
[18:16] <Sime> it is now warming up my ADSL modem. :)
[18:17] <Riddell> if you have cats be careful, they'll go to sleep on it and it'll overheat
[18:20] <Riddell> davmor2: the test machine I have with windows xp on it has had windows xp destroying the grub setup after it boots, this doesn't happen with jaunty's grub, have you seen anything like that?
[18:21] <davmor2> nope
[18:23] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll have a look in a minute though
[18:25] <Riddell> davmor2: I suspect it'll be a feak issue with this windows xp install but would be a problem if it was a general issue
[18:27] <davmor2> Riddell: I has a new compaq110 with xp preinstalled I'm about to test kne and unr so we'll soon know :)
[18:28] <jussi01> Hrm, anyone got a simple way of discovering other linux machines on a home network?
[18:29] <davmor2> jussi01: walk up to the box?
[18:30] <Riddell> jussi01: avahi-browse -a
[18:31] <Riddell> zeroconf:/ will show if anything is advertising http or ssh but most don't unfortunately
[18:32] <jussi01> hrm. is there a way I can get it to advertise ssh?
[18:34] <Riddell> avahi-publish-service "crack me" _ssh._tcp 22
[18:35] <jussi01> hehe :)
[18:36] <jussi01> 1 last quick question, behind a firewalled router, thatll only advertise on the local network? (its my media pc...)
[18:37] <Riddell> yes it's local network only
[18:38] <jussi01> yay, thanks :)
[18:45] <Riddell> hi nookie^, how's that banner coming along?
[18:48] <nookie^> hi Riddell! hehehe actually im just now looking how to create it =)
[18:48] <nookie^> have been thinking now for an hour how i can create it =)
[19:46] <Mamarok> hm, I just had a look at the Software Center, so one can only select one single item, installs that and goes to the next? That takes ages
[19:49] <davmor2> Mamarok: no you install one move back select the next etc
[19:49] <Sime> upgrade got 404 on a couple packages. I'm guessing a mirror sync issue.
[19:50] <Mamarok> davmor2: that is lame
[19:50] <Mamarok> no way to preselect and then isntall all in one go?
[19:50] <Mamarok> install*
[19:51] <skreech> Wait I should be using grub2?
[19:51] <skreech>  I upgraded and I'm still on grub 1
[19:51] <skreech> bbigras: hi
[20:27] <Sime> shit, kdesudo crashed.
[20:29] <Sime> how now brown cow??
[20:29] <Sime> segfault
[20:33] <nookie^> Riddell: so far like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/wwWopm2.html
[20:44] <skreech> Sime: sudo start it back?
[20:45] <Sime> skreech: I'm running dpkg configure manually
[20:48] <skreech> ok
[21:03] <maco> anyone having issues with power devil on karmic? its timing seems off. i have it set to display dim after 1 minute of idle, but instead it dims immediately  (ie, not a full minute)
[21:03] <dtchen> reproducible with a fresh user account?
[21:04] <dtchen> I can't reproduce the symptom you describe in vbox with the 20091027 desktop image.
[21:04] <dtchen> granted, I don't know offhand if I need to run it on bare metal.
[21:06] <Sime> anyone know a simple way of updating grub and its config?
[21:06] <LaserJock> what are the menu steps to get to kpackagekit?
[21:08] <maco> dtchen: mm nope. now i wonder whats wrong with mine
[21:08] <maco> LaserJock: kickoff -> computer -> kpackagekit
[21:08] <LaserJock> maco: s/kickoff/K menu/ ?
[21:09] <LaserJock> maco: it's for documentation
[21:09] <dtchen> maco: looks like you have conffile cruft
[21:09] <maco> LaserJock:  or kickoff -> applications -> system -> kpackagekit
[21:09] <maco> LaserJock: dunno what its called elsewhere in docs, but it doesnt act the same as the k menu did...
[21:09] <maco> i think its "application launcher" or something
[21:09] <LaserJock> maco: is it actually listed as "kpackagekit"?
[21:10] <maco> LaserJock: it says "KPackageKit" and then as a subtitle "Software Management" when you look in "Computer"
[21:10] <LaserJock> awesome, thanks
[21:10] <maco> which is the name and which is the subtitle are reversed in System
[21:10] <skreech> Others have the same issue with failsafe bombing.
[21:11] <maco> LaserJock: got that?
[21:11] <LaserJock> maco: yep
[21:11] <maco> ok
[21:17] <skreech> and not being able to get to TTYs as well
[21:18] <skreech> Konsole doesn't work for failsafe
[21:21] <skreech> well as x-terminal-emulator
[21:25] <Sime> wish me luck. [attempting reboot]
[21:29] <maco> dtchen: i lied
[21:29] <maco> apparently when i dont sleep one night, the effects last > 1 day, because i was reading the wrong line
[21:29] <davmor2> Riddell: just to confirm that xp and grub work fine here
[21:29] <maco> though that was only 22 mississippis, not 50-70-ish whe the screen dimmed for the new user, so it was still odd
[21:31] <maco> well, my conffile doesnt look broken. and this started happening a few days ago without any changes to my configuration. so im confused
[21:36] <maco> *shrug* works if i change it to 2min instead of 1. whatver.
[21:36] <dtchen> what in the world does "i lied" refer to?
[21:36] <maco> dtchen: apparently that message didnt send
[21:36] <maco> oh well
[21:37] <maco> i said that the new user dint have that problem but that the conf file wasnt updating when i changed settings in power devil. then i realized i was reading the wrong line of the conf file
[21:37] <maco> so then i said "i lied"
[21:38] <dtchen> ok, that's only slightly less befuddling
[21:41] <dmatt> screech: your theory is not right, I could get to TTY before I attempted the failsafe login
[21:42] <skreech> dmatt: Then you couldn't afterwards?
[21:42] <dmatt> yes
[21:43] <maco> yikes
[21:44] <skreech> When you tried to switch to TTY you get a black screen?
[21:44] <dmatt> skreech: yes, without cursor
[21:45] <skreech> Did you try to get back to TTY7 ?
[21:45] <dmatt> screech: but session still existed, it promted me to close it when I went for restart
[21:46] <dmatt> skreech, yes, I chose to restart there
[21:46] <skreech> Yep me too
[21:47] <skreech> I did it again and got the same thing
[21:47] <skreech> I went through the motions of logging in then I touched a file in ~ and rebooted
[21:47] <skreech> When it came back up the file existed so I know that things are working but you just can't see anything
[21:47] <skreech> Logging in as failsafe throws a X driver error
[21:48] <skreech> well it does for me
[21:49] <skreech> But whatever Konsole is doing is messing with X pretty bad
[21:49] <dmatt> screech: you still can perfectly work and see everything, if you do not attempt any login and go straight to tty
[21:49] <skreech> dmatt: I know
[21:49] <skreech> and You can fix the failsafe pretty easy
[21:49] <skreech> well for me it's a fix
[21:49] <dmatt> skreech: (i finally got your nick right)
[21:50] <skreech> Workaround for others I suppose
[21:50] <skreech> Yay! :)
[21:50] <dmatt> skreech: why does it work on that old computer then, even after failsafe login?
[21:51] <dmatt> it has old ATI card with open driver
[21:51] <skreech> Probably it
[21:51] <skreech> 9600 ?
[21:52] <dmatt> IGP 350M
[21:52] <dmatt> skreech: IGP 340M, sorry
[21:52] <dmatt> it is notebook
[21:53] <skreech> Hmm ok
[21:53] <skreech> I'm using nvidia right now I've not had any issues with my older ATI and the open driver
[21:54] <skreech> what video card are you using on the newer one?
[21:54] <dmatt> ATI 3400 (it is notebook HP 6930p)
[21:54] <skreech> Which driver?
[21:55] <dmatt> open
[21:55] <skreech> Hmm that's not helpful then
[21:55] <skreech> Kernel difference ?
[21:57] <dmatt> both are on 31-14, but old one is x86 and new one is 64
[22:00] <dmatt> skreech: that might be something...
[22:05] <skreech> Hmm ok
[22:05] <skreech> I'm x86 so maybe not
[22:16] <dmatt> skreech: old one was installed while connected to internet, new one entirely from cd an later upgraded
[22:17] <skreech> This is a straight upgrade from Jackalope
[22:17] <skreech> Kpackagekit has the most aggravating errors
[22:17] <skreech> There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation.
[22:41] <Riddell> nookie^: that seems good
[22:45] <Riddell> Sime: how was the upgrade?
[23:35] <davmor2> ScottK: I left you kne manual :)
[23:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: do I know Christopher Eberl ?