[00:00] <afv> well, it started with addons disabled.. thanks
[00:00] <afv> should have remembered it :p
[00:01] <mesula> WTF there's an interruptible process named . which is using all my CPU.
[00:02] <mesula> With /etc/passwd as an open file...
[00:03] <mesula> Yay I killed the fucker. :D
[00:04] <gh0zt> poor dot
[00:04] <afv> BUGabundo, looks it's all working again :s  thanks
[00:04] <afv> looks like it's*
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:04] <BUGabundo> now start enabling addons one by one
[00:04] <BUGabundo> restarting FF on each
[00:05] <BUGabundo> until I see which is causing it
[00:05] <afv> done that already :p
[00:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:05] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: sorry to bug (hee hee) you, but aren't you an eeepc user?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> so what was it ?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: I'm not
[00:05] <BUGabundo> 13.3"
[00:05] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: sorry - must have got you mixed up :)
[00:05] <afv> i don't know.. maybe there was some corrupted file
[00:06] <hipitihop> I'm running HMDI audio and each time I reboot I need to go into the mixer and reenable one of the switches.... how can I get things to stick ?
[00:06] <afv> i didn't enable all that i had enabled.. just enabled the ones i really use :)
[00:07] <patdk-lap> man, I really hate lenovo bios updates
[00:07] <patdk-lap> every bios update wipes all settings in the bios
[00:08] <afv> gotta go
[00:08] <mesula> patdk-lap: Yeah, and how often do you update the BIOS?
[00:08] <patdk-lap> every few months
[00:08] <patdk-lap> 4th time this year
[00:09] <patdk-lap> it's just annoying, download iso, burn a cd, boot of cd, then I have to go in the bios and reset everything :)
[00:11] <afv> oops.. BUGabundo.. :s
[00:11] <afv> about:plugins:   No plugins are installed
[00:11] <BUGabundo> sim?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:11] <BUGabundo> enable them too
[00:11] <BUGabundo> one by one
[00:11] <afv> hum
[00:11] <afv> i thought i just disabled the addons. lol
[00:11] <BUGabundo> nop
[00:11] <afv> too tired :p
[00:11] <BUGabundo> *everything*
[00:11] <BUGabundo> me tooooo
[00:13] <hvgotcodes> hey when i add a ppa where do i find the package in the ppa?
[00:14] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   gnome?
[00:14] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yes
[00:14] <hvgotcodes> coz_, its the xserver no backfill
[00:14] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   open synaptic pacakge manager   hit the Search button and type in the name of the applications
[00:15] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yes i did that, then searched by version, but icant find the version with ~ppa1 on the end of i t
[00:15] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  did you hit the reload button first
[00:16] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   you may have to do that since that would be equivelent to  sudo apt-get update
[00:16] <coz_> be right back ...natu
[00:16] <coz_> nature call
[00:16] <hvgotcodes> coz_ yes i have done sudo apt-get update
[00:16] <afv> BUGabundo, all enabled now.. thanks again
[00:17] <BUGabundo> np
[00:19] <Scotch> does anyone know if flash support has been improved in Karmic x64 or do the same hassles persist ?
[00:19] <test34> Scotch, it works a little better with flash 64bit alpha
[00:20] <test34> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[00:20] <Scotch> About that alpha, I think I don't get it. There's a script on the net that installs 10.0.0.16 but the default version I have (on jaunty) is more recent, it's 10.0.0.32
[00:20] <coz_> hvgotcodes,   can you link me to the ppa  ?
[00:20] <hvgotcodes> coz_, https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-weyland/+archive/xserver-nobackfill/+packages
[00:21] <Scotch> Soooo, I don't know if I should use the script
[00:21] <Scotch> where do I put this .so ?
[00:22] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  and  you are looking for the  "xserver-nobackfill" pacakges?
[00:22] <hvgotcodes> correct
[00:22] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  and in the Search for synaptic you types   xserver-nobackfil   ?
[00:23] <Roey> I have a tricky situation:   I have /dev/md0 (which is /dev/sd{a,b}1) that's this puny 100 MiB partition at the start of my partition table.  I want to boot off of /, which has its own /boot;  / is on /dev/md1 (that is, /dev/sd{a,b}2).  How do I do this neatly?
[00:23] <hvgotcodes> coz_, technically im searching for just xorg-server and trying to find it by verson
[00:23] <hvgotcodes> xserver-nobackfill yieds no results
[00:23] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  ok  and xorg-server 2:1.6.4-2ubuntu4  doesnt show up !
[00:23] <coz_> mm
[00:24] <test34> Scotch, uninstall any current flash player version and then copy the .so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, /usr/lib/opera/plugins/
[00:24] <Scotch> test34: ok, thanks but what if I don't use firefox ?
[00:25] <Scotch> test34: say for instance I use chromium-browser or some software with embedded flash in it
[00:25] <hvgotcodes> coz_ that package does show up.  the one in the ppa has a ~ppa1 on the end of it, which i dont see in synaptic
[00:25] <test34> Scotch, copy it in your browser's plugin directory
[00:25] <Scotch> ok let me try to find it
[00:26] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  what address for the ppa  did you actually put into software sources?
[00:26] <hvgotcodes> coz_ catting /etc/apt/sources is eb http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad-weyland/xserver-nobackfill/ubuntu karmic main
[00:26] <hvgotcodes> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad-weyland/xserver-nobackfill/ubuntu karmic main
[00:27] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  ok hold on checking now
[00:29] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I am not getting anything here eigher
[00:29] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  let me check a few things
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> coz_, thanx
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> i did make the mistake of adding the ppa in the gui program, and then doing it again directly in sources, but that shouldn't hurt it i would imagine
[00:30] <hvgotcodes> note that the version on the ppa website is what i am looking for -- the version is there except for the ~ppa1
[00:31] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I do see the xserver-xorg-core with same revision numbers and no ppa
[00:31] <hvgotcodes> coz_, yep
[00:31] <CPrgmSwR2> How long does it take for someone to take a look at a bug filed?
[00:32] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  my best guess  is that the ppa version and the one listed in synaptic are one in the same
[00:32] <hvgotcodes> ok lemme try it
[00:34] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: not to be sounding too harsh, but it can take any amount of time and the only way to speed it up is to volunteer.  generally I'd give it a few days
[00:34] <hvgotcodes> coz_, there are a lot of packages with that version -- which do i need?
[00:34] <mesula> This is why Ubuntu sucks: http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html
[00:34] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: I have no sound and if I know what to do to get it working I would
[00:35] <CPrgmSwR2> but I have no idea what steps to take at this point
[00:35] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  I would assume if you tick the xserver-xorg-core it will include the necessary pacakges required for minimal install
[00:35] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: sorry - sometimes it is like that.  I don't know myself, but I did want to attempt to answer the question about "how long".  What type of sound card do you have?
[00:36] <hvgotcodes> coz_, thats what i did, it said 'reinstalling'
[00:36] <hvgotcodes> not promising
[00:37] <CPrgmSwR2> NVidia MCP67
[00:37] <CPrgmSwR2> it worked in 9.04
[00:37] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  so that means it was already installed..mm.... unless you directly download fromm the ppa site I am not sure what the differences would be unless you looked into the package contents for comparison
[00:37] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: ooo.  sorry - way out of my knowledge realm.
[00:38] <hvgotcodes> coz_, why wouldn't the source url allow synaptic to pick it up?
[00:38] <Byron> After so much troubleshooting my on-board NIC, I put in a simple one I was running on my server and viola. No more network issues. Stupid mobo. Anyone know where I can find vintage mobos?
[00:38] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  that one is puzzling unless it is already the same version or there is nothing in the ppa to pick up
[00:39] <hvgotcodes> coz_, but it lists the packages when you click it
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  mmm then I am puzzled for sure
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  you might want to contact the ppa  owner
[00:39] <hvgotcodes> any fglrx users need this
[00:39] <FeasibilityStudy> Will anyone here on an x64 kernel please run this command and tell me what it tells you:  dmesg | grep NX
[00:39] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  you are having issues with your ati card?
[00:40] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: I presume you're bug #455912 ?
[00:40] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: yes
[00:42] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: is the bug confirmed?  I'm not that familiar with launchpad, but I've heard it helps to get the bug into confirmed state
[00:43] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: no, sorry - I see the bug is just in new state.
[00:43] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: and how do I get it into confirmed status
[00:43] <hvgotcodes> coz_ the standard slow resize/maximize issue from jaunty.  I was hoping that and my suspend/resume issues would be fixed with karmic, but i guess not :(
[00:43] <mbeierl> Any one here affected by bug # 455912 and can confirm this is the case?
[00:43] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  oh darn  I have no idea about the suspend issues at all since I dont use laptops here
[00:44] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: click on the state "New" and it'll show you can change it to confirmed - I think.  I'm not sure if you need someone else to confirm it
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> coz_: just for the record suspend doesn't work for me as well
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> but that I can do without
[00:44] <hvgotcodes> coz_ i had read that the latest catalyst driver fixed a bunch of suspend issues.
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> mbeierl: I need someone else to confirm it
[00:44] <CPrgmSwR2> I can't do it
[00:45] <hvgotcodes> and my laptops hibernates ok, i just doesnt resume from suspend ok -- but thats getting ahead of ourselves -- the slow maximize/resize is a real issue
[00:45] <coz_> hvgotcodes,  oh I see  mmm ok I am tell you right now that I know nothing about ati  however  I do know of two people in #compiz   that would    either adamk or soreau
[00:45] <mbeierl> CPrgmSwR2: I hate to say, but that might hold things up a little...
[00:45] <mbeierl> keep asking around during different times of day (every couple of hours) if anyone else can confirm it.
[00:45] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[00:46] <CPrgmSwR2> Does driver support for various devices get deprecated over time?
[00:47] <det> I just did a fresh install of karmic and now I am hearing a random "boop" sounds every now and then when listening to music
[00:47] <test34> FeasibilityStudy, http://pastebin.com/f13cda1de
[00:48] <CPrgmSwR2> det: what kinda graphics card?
[00:49] <det> you mean sound ?
[00:49] <FeasibilityStudy> test34: Looks like the 64 bit kernel is not enabling native hardware based NX
[00:49] <det> ati graphics, integrated sound
[00:49] <FeasibilityStudy> Instead we are getting 32 bit NX emulation
[00:49] <det> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[00:50]  * BUGabundo /usr/local/bin/xfcre76 BUGabundo | tee /dev/sleep
[00:50] <det> maybe the booping is just empathy notifcations , I just disabled them to see if it fixes
[00:51] <CPrgmSwR2> det: lol
[00:51] <kaddi> hi is there a way to get gparted to merge free space with an already created partition?
[00:52] <det> oh
[00:52] <det> the booping is a replacement for system bell
[00:52] <CPrgmSwR2> det: I wish that was my problem
[00:54] <rodensky> hello ppl =)
[00:54] <test34> FeasibilityStudy, does it affect performance or security?
[00:55] <dpic> so, uh, do we no longer have to add multiverse and restricted in karmic? i noticed that they're already checked off now
[00:55] <dpic> anybody know if that will stay true for the final release?
[00:56] <FeasibilityStudy> test34: It's a security feature built into most 64 bit CPU's.  I just asked an Ubuntu developer and they said it was merely an error in logging and that everything is OK..So no worries..
[00:57] <test34> ok FeasibilityStudy
[01:02] <Fanfare> gh0st: must be available as amd64 too as i have it installed...
[01:04] <Roey> I have a tricky situation:   I have /dev/md0 (which is /dev/sd{a,b}1) that's this puny 100 MiB partition at the start of my partition table.  I want to boot off of /, which has its own /boot;  / is on /dev/md1 (that is, /dev/sd{a,b}2).  How do I do this neatly?
[01:04] <Fanfare> gh0st: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe cellwriter 1.3.4-1ubuntu1 [160kB] cellwriter_1.3.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb)
[01:11] <CPrgmSwR2> It looks like the NVidia HDA audio drivers are pretty common among the hp laptop Pavillion modles
[01:11] <CPrgmSwR2> I would suspect this will get attention once 9.10 is official released
[01:12] <bjsnider> nvidia's out of that business anyway
[01:13] <bjsnider> before you invest in a laptop you might want to put linux on, compare it to what dell is offering to make sure you're not getting hardware that is unsupported
[01:14] <patdk-lap> heh, dell and their never ending broadcom wifi crap
[01:14] <dpic> having multiverse enabled by default in karmic is a change from jaunty, right? is it going to remain that way for the final release
[01:15] <patdk-lap> even the broadcom network card are a pain
[01:16] <nick125> I swapped my Broadcrap card for an Intel one...and it might not be completely smooth sailing with the Intel card, at least it's better than ndiswrapper.
[01:16] <patdk-lap> I had horrible issues with jaunty and intel 5300
[01:16] <patdk-lap> it kept corrupting my ext3 filesystems
[01:16] <nick125> patdk-lap: Ouch.
[01:16] <patdk-lap> but only happened in jaunty, and installing backports fixed it up
[01:16] <nick125> and I thought my issues with iwl3945 were bad.
[01:17] <patdk-lap> ya, I couldn't even complete the install
[01:17] <patdk-lap> finally disabled wifi in the bios and got it installed, installed backports, and enabled
[01:17]  * nick125 's wireless connection seems to go to a crawl after 5-10 minutes
[01:17] <patdk-lap> so far in karmic, it's been solid
[01:17] <crimsom> Broadcom card detected and restricted drivers installed on Live CD session, but no success on fresh installed Karmic RC.
[01:17] <panikkk> ick, i just tried to install karmic to usb key and now my hd won't boot, comes up with grub rescue is there a way to get my old partitions back?
[01:17] <patdk-lap> it kept getting random drops in jaunty with backports,but rarely
[01:18] <quimkaos> no inkspace in 9.10?
[01:18] <Dai> quimkaos: try inkscape
[01:18] <patdk-lap> I do seem to be saving about 3watts of laptop power usage on karmic though, that is nice
[01:18] <quimkaos> i did
[01:18] <Dai> !inkscape | quimkaos
[01:19] <Dai> you got letters switched.
[01:20] <quimkaos> it's on inkscape allright
[01:20] <patdk-lap> firefox is the worst for battery life :(
[01:22] <quimkaos> -_- allways thought that was inkspace ... i think i'm going blind
[01:23] <patdk-lap> it's just sad that firefox uses so much more cpu power than vmware
[01:25] <quimkaos> is the hp F2180 multifunction no working in 9.10?
[01:25] <quimkaos> !empathy
[01:26] <ubuntnew> i lost sound on my conexant chipset audio card on karmic upgrade.   I found an old driver for Jaunty kernel.  is there a way to make it work in karmic?
[01:28] <Binky182> I also had sound problems with karmic, back to running jaunty
[01:28] <ubuntnew> is karmic dumping alsa for pulse?
[01:28] <Binky182> i believe so
[01:29] <nick125> Not necessarily "dumping" alsa..
[01:30] <kubuntuser> Hi everyone. I just installed kubuntu, and grub did not detect my windows partition.
[01:30] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: try running update-grub
[01:30] <ripps> ubuntnew: no, it can't because pulse is just a layer that exists on top of alsa, if you mean that it uses pulse instead of alsa directly, than yes. They've been moving towards since 8.04
[01:31] <johnjohn101> will I be able to use ubuntu one from windows (sorry)
[01:31] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I do not have that cmd
[01:31] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: hmm, maybe you are running grub1 and not grub2?
[01:31] <ubuntnew_> ok, so is there a way to make the jaunty driver work on the new kernel?
[01:32]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[01:32] <ripps> johnjohn101: you can probably use it from the ubuntuone webpage, but I don't think there's an app to integrate it into explorer
[01:32] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: how would that happen?
[01:32] <johnjohn101> tx
[01:32] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: you upgraded from 904
[01:32] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I had 904 installed, but this is a new install.
[01:33] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I used the alt install cd
[01:33] <johnjohn101> i can't wait until thursday.  i've used the beta version and love it
[01:33] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: well, can you check to see if you have grub-pc installed?
[01:33] <h00k> Has anyone tried netconsole with Karmic?
[01:33] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: is that a command or package?
[01:34] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: apt-cache show grub2
[01:34] <ripps> ubuntnew_: file a bug with "ubuntu-bug linux-sound-base", it's really hard to diagnose sound problems without detailed hardware info, ubuntu-bug will compile all of that and file a bug report on launchpad
[01:34] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: oops: apt-cache policy grub-pc
[01:34] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: Installed: 1.97~beta4-1ubuntu3
[01:35] <ubuntnew_> how do i file the bug?  first experience testing - but love the concept and the work!
[01:35] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: then you should have the update-grub command
[01:35] <ripps> ubuntnew_: from the commandline type `ubuntu-bug linux-sound-base`
[01:35] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I do XD. You said update_grub
[01:36] <kubuntuser> sorry
[01:36] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: does it say command not found? or something else?  and did you use: sudo update-grub?
[01:36] <ubuntnew_> ok.  thanks ripps
[01:36] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I am running update grub now
[01:36] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: ah, ok.  np.  run that, if it says something about windows, then it should be fixed
[01:36] <ubuntnew_> is it worth moving to grub2?
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: Found Windows Vista (loader) on /dev/sda1
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: thanks for the help :-D
[01:37] <ChogyDan> your welcome
[01:37] <ripps> ubuntnew_: grub2 can hit or miss for upgraders, so for now, it will stick with grub1, you can install grub2 and and then chainload it from grub1 so that you make your system unbootable
[01:37] <ripps> !grub2
[01:37] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: do you know what could have gone wrong?
[01:38] <quimkaos> !lamp
[01:38] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: I figure I should see if I can help by submitting a bug report
[01:38] <dooglus> I have ubuntu 9.10 installed.  I want to try the KDE desktop, but don't want the whole kubuntu experience.  what package do I install so I can run KDE with my existing apps?
[01:38] <aprilhare> hello
[01:38] <patdk-lap> !baka
[01:38] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: I think its a known bug, something about /sys not being mounted during the installer.
[01:38] <dooglus> !kde
[01:39] <aprilhare> will grub-pc (grub2) installation upgrade my grub config? i have configured windows in a multiboot manner
[01:39] <aprilhare> auto-update even
[01:39] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: cool :-). Thanks for the help.
[01:39] <ChogyDan> aprilhare: grub2 will autodetect windows
[01:39] <dooglus> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[01:39] <dooglus> hmm ;)
[01:39] <patdk-lap> grub2 is nice, but slow :(
[01:40] <dooglus> E: Couldn't find package kde-core
[01:40] <aprilhare> ChogyDan: will i be able to confirm stuff or is it all automated?
[01:40] <ripps> aprilhare: I don't think grub2 will replace grub1, it will create a chainload entry in your grub1 list, so you can test if it works, if it does, there's a command you can run to replace grub1 with grub2
[01:40] <dooglus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE tells me to install kde-core for the core of KDE, but it doesn't exist?
[01:40] <aprilhare> ripps: that sounds good - where are the details regarding this?
[01:41] <ripps> !grub2 > aprilhare
[01:41] <ChogyDan> aprilhare: like ripps said, when you install it, it will be done as an entry in your grub1 menu, so you can ignore it if it doesn't work.  BUT, the next kernel upgrade will wipe that out
[01:41] <ubuntnew_> ripps: the bug report showed the sound card should work with snd-riptide.  how do i make sure it's loading?  the card isn't showing in sound prefs, but does in lspci.
[01:41] <aprilhare> oh ic.
[01:41] <aprilhare> gunna try it then
[01:43] <ripps> ubuntnew_: I don't know, you can check to make sure the sound module is loaded with lsmod, but otherwise, you should wait until someone more knowledgeble with sound stuff helps you, probably from your bug report
[01:43] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, ls -l gives me 'error: no such disk'
[01:43] <dooglus> I have ubuntu 9.10 installed.  I want to try the KDE desktop, but don't want the whole kubuntu experience.  what package do I install so I can run KDE with my existing apps?
[01:43] <ubuntnew_> much thanks!  how do i find the report to follow it?
[01:43] <ChogyDan> dooglus: pretty sure it is kde-core
[01:44] <ripps> ubuntnew_: didn't you create a bug report with ubuntu-bug?
[01:44] <dooglus> !info kde-core karmic
[01:44] <aprilhare> why is the linux command line empty? went to install grub-pc  and it found the linux command line was empty.
[01:44] <dooglus> ChogyDan: does that shake your faith any?
[01:44]  * gh0zt_afk is away: Gone away for now
[01:46] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: you still here? I am for some reason running grub 1.97
[01:46] <ChogyDan> kubuntuser: yeah, that is grub2
[01:47] <kubuntuser> ChogyDan: ok. :-)
[01:48]  * panikkk is back.
[01:49] <aprilhare> brb
[01:50] <panikkk> why the heck would the karmic installer write a loader to a hard drive if i'm installing on a USB key?
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> becasuse its defaulting to sda which it thinks is the first hd on the system
[01:51] <panikkk> i specified /sdb
[01:51] <panikkk> and checked the partition name vs the usb key size to make sure it was writing to usb
[01:54] <ubuntnew_> ripps: thx.  it wasn't sending it bc somehow it couldn't open my default browser.  sent now!
[01:57] <ChogyDan> dooglus: I looked.  I don't know.  Maybe just install the dependencies of jaunty kde-core, like kdebase-workspace etc.  Maybe just that workspace package.  gl
[01:59] <StrangeCharm> using the karmic server RC, after attempting an install with encrypted lvm (and an unencrypted /boot in a normal partition), grub tells me 'error: no such disk'. what have i done wrong?
[01:59] <dooglus> ChogyDan: I could have sworn I installed kde-minimal, but it's not installed now
[02:00] <dooglus> I suspect I installed it on my 64 bit partition
[02:13] <brianV> Hi all. I just upgraded from 9.04 to karmic, and the tool at System >> Preferences >> Keyboard is broken
[02:13] <brianV> Failed to execute child process "gnome-keyboard-properties" (No such file or directory)
[02:13] <brianV> ^^ that's what it says
[02:22] <EruditeHermit> hey, is it possible to connect to a wirless network from commandline?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> EruditeHermit, yep
[02:23] <EruditeHermit> how?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> if it's encrypted, very annoying though
[02:23] <EruditeHermit> =(
[02:24] <EruditeHermit> is there a commandline version of network manager
[02:24] <patdk-lap> iw, iwconfig, iw*
[02:24] <EruditeHermit> my interface isn't listed in iwconfig
[02:33] <bjsnider> EruditeHermit, that means you don't have a driver loaded for it
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> I had to unplug it
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> for some reason it wasn't detected
[02:33] <bjsnider> it's a usb stick?
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> but unplugging and replugging made it work
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[02:33] <EruditeHermit> USB device
[02:34] <bjsnider> try a different hub i suppose
[02:34] <EruditeHermit> yeah it works now
[02:38] <i_is_broke> hey where would i look for the config system to add the driver for my sis video card.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> SiSCtrl interface disabled.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> To enable the SiSCtrl interface, place
[02:39] <i_is_broke> 	Option "EnableSiSCtrl" "yes"
[02:39] <i_is_broke>  in the "Device" section of your config file.
[02:39] <i_is_broke> sorry for spam
[02:42] <i_is_broke> http://pastebin.com/d6fed101
[02:42] <i_is_broke> that is what i get when i enter sisctrl
[02:45] <IndyGunFreak> 9.10 doesn't use xorg.conf anymore.
[02:46] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, ok then how do i set my video?
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> i really have no idea...
[02:47] <IndyGunFreak> i_is_broke, what i done.. cuz i needed xorg.conf for an nvidia dual screen set up
[02:48] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, well that makes 2 of us..lol
[02:48] <IndyGunFreak> i used an old xorg.conf i had from ubuntu 9.04... plugged it in to 9.10, and it worked perfectly
[02:49] <i_is_broke> yeah well i have no back up of 9.04 cause it crashed and i wiped it out and started fresh with 9.10
[02:51] <Byron> How do I restore my video. Now it freezes when X should start
[02:55] <StrangeCharm> is the a manual for grub2 that will help me get out of the grub rescue prompt, given that i (think that i) know what's going on?
[02:55] <mbt> Does anyone know where, if anywhere, there is support for lxc?  Is there anyone here that has used LXC with Karmic as both host and guest and gotten it to work with recent updates?
[02:56] <mbt> StrangeCharm, http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[02:57] <StrangeCharm> mbt, not all the information in there seems to be correct
[02:57] <mbt> StrangeCharm, some info may be outdated. What specifically do you need to know?
[03:00] <StrangeCharm> mbt, i'm sitting at a grub rescue prompt. ls initially gave me a no such disk error. i set my prefix to another disk, and now ls works. i assume therefore that this is the right disk. i want to tell grub to try to load it's config from this disk, and proceed from there
[03:01] <mbt> StrangeCharm, have you tried the old commands that GRUB1 used to use to switch between listing files to see if that works at all?
[03:02] <StrangeCharm> mbt, i don't know those commands, let me try looking those up now
[03:03] <i_is_broke> !grub
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> i_is_broke, i have no real wayt o fix this for you, i just know what i done, and when I used my xorg.conf from 9.04, it done what I needed it to do... i'm sure there's a way to create one, i just don't know how.
[03:06] <i_is_broke> IndyGunFreak, yeah im looking threw the forums and google now.
[03:07] <i_is_broke> !grub2
[03:08] <StrangeCharm> mbt, looks like no: "unknown command `configfile' "
[03:08] <mbt> StrangeCharm, I can find no way to load a config.  You can "cat" the config and enter the lines to boot your system manually, and then fix the GRUB2 configuration after you've booted, however.
[03:09] <mbt> !lxc
[03:09] <mbt> Eh, it was worth a try.
[03:09] <roe> is karmic still the topic here?
[03:10] <StrangeCharm> mbt, sadly: "unknown command `cat' "
[03:10] <mbt> roe, if the topic line is to be believed, yes.  ;-)
[03:10] <mbt> StrangeCharm, eh?
[03:10] <mbt> StrangeCharm, can you "ls" your GRUB modules?
[03:10] <mbt> If so, you'll need to load the "cat.mod" GRUB module to use cat, I guess.
[03:10] <roe> I am introducing a new user to ubuntu tomorrow afternoon, should I use 9.04 or go ahead with the 9.10 installer?
[03:11] <jbuncher> roe:  according to the topic, yup.
[03:11] <mbt> That is at /boot/grub/cat.mod if you have /boot on a / partition; or /grub/cat.mod if you have a dedicated /boot partition.
[03:11] <StrangeCharm> mbt, where do the modules live?
[03:11] <mbt> StrangeCharm ^^
[03:11] <roe> jbuncher, according to ubuntu.com the 29th is the release date.  Is stability going to chagne that much in 2 days?
[03:12] <kubuntuser> roe, the stability of the install will probabaly change. The stability after updates will probably not change much.
[03:12] <jbuncher> roe :  likely not, but you never know.  There were some issues with the RC if I recall, so you should take a look at the release notes and known issues to make sure you don't get bit by one of those.
[03:13] <kubuntuser> roe: I have so far seen 2 issues with the RC
[03:13] <roe> so as long as *I* can get through the installer (going to use ncurses installer anyhow) everythign shoudl be fine?
[03:13] <jbuncher> roe : I should clarify, issues with installing from the RC.  installing from the final release may well be more stable.
[03:13] <jbuncher> roe : read the release notes and known issues to be sure
[03:13] <roe> sounds like a plan
[03:13] <roe> I'm not worried about installer issues
[03:13] <kubuntuser> roe: I had an issue where it did not immediatally detect my Vista on my dual boot
[03:14] <kubuntuser> roe: and I used the alternative install
[03:14] <roe> I can manipulate grub myself to add a boot option
[03:14] <kubuntuser> roe: although, thanks to some help here, that was solved quickly
[03:15] <jbuncher> roe : yeah, to be clear, the issue might not so much be the *installer*, but the set of packages included on the RC disc, which could cause issues.  There were some severe ones, though I don't remember any for x86 machines.
[03:15] <kubuntuser> roe: I personally would download it to beat the rush on the 29th
[03:15] <kubuntuser> roe: that is actually what I just did today. However, it is up to you if you want it. You seem to know what you are doing though
[03:16] <roe> Ubuntu, especially karmic, has been getting some very nice press, congrats to all, great work.
[03:16] <roe> kubuntuser, while I don't know everything, I fought my way through a lot of debian's growing pains over the years.  Common issues I can handle
[03:17] <kubuntuser> roe: it is a personal decission
[03:17]  * kubuntuser fears the !worksforme police
[03:20] <kris_> Hi. I noticed in the past couple of days that the karmic lpia live cd was removed. Does ubuntu intend to drop support for lpia?
[03:21] <kris_> That is, the image for the lpia live cd was removed from the mirrors.
[03:22] <ripps> kris_: no, there was probably just something wrong with it
[03:23] <kris_> Ah.
[03:23] <kris_> ripps: Thank you, then.
[03:28] <almoxarife> one more time, as anyone managed to fix the volume applet when alsa is the default sound?
[03:30] <almoxarife> guess not
[03:38] <IDWMaster> Has anyone heard of the GlobalGrid package? Some things seem to be broken in version 3.9.
[03:38] <IDWMaster> I can't access my desktop icons or other programs while it is running in RA mode.
[03:39] <IDWMaster> Software version is
[03:39] <IDWMaster> Se arregla ax el necesita para ir a la
[03:39] <IDWMaster> http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/idwnet.cloud.interidw.globalgrid.78d254774daa4d2524d64edbd2e05178406e998c.1
[03:40] <VXxed> Is anyone available that can help me with my laptop fan issue?  I have it fully documented here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300733
[03:40] <IDWMaster> I'm having trouble with the GlobalGrid package.
[03:40] <IDWMaster> http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/idwnet.cloud.interidw.globalgrid.78d254774daa4d2524d64edbd2e05178406e998c.1
[03:41] <IDWMaster> It doesn't appear to update the desktop properly.
[03:42] <hansin> Has anyone seen when using Compiz where windows and dialog boxes will *almost* disappear (get to like 90-95% transparent)? I know this isn't normal behavior. I think I saw this in Jaunty as well.
[03:42] <IDWMaster> I'm running version 3.9 and the desktop icons can't be accessed. I am also unable to access other programs outside of the virtual container while it's running.
[03:42] <hansin> Not sure what is the trigger.
[03:43] <xxploit> hey all i just updated my packages and had 2 updates, one for xserver and xorg i believe. Problem is now im having a problem with openl or 3d. I was just playing my game while updating and decide to restart and now my game will not launch. Has the error Fatal Error: glxCreateContext Failed, and glxinfo has the same error within its info
[03:44] <IDWMaster> The graphics X server problems might be affecting the GlobalGrid package as well.
[03:44] <IDWMaster> I'm having OpenGL problems with rendering transparent surfaces as well.
[03:46] <IDWMaster> xxploit: Did you open a bug report on Launchpad?
[03:47] <xxploit> nah didnt no if u all just updated and had this problem also or not
[03:47] <IDWMaster> I had a similar problem.
[03:47] <xxploit> it was only 2 package updates to xserver i just installed
[03:48] <IDWMaster> It wasn't with a video game though.
[03:48] <gh0zt> would be useful to have something like windows system restore
[03:48] <xxploit> well i only noticed it because i can no longer play my video game
[03:48] <gh0zt> snapshot working system prior to updates
[03:48] <xxploit> my desktop is fine except for the glx errors when trying to run 3d apps
[03:49] <IDWMaster> Did you disable Compiz?
[03:49] <xxploit> never had it running to begin with
[03:53] <natewiebe132> anyone know how to set my default version of python?
[03:54] <coordinador> hi
[03:54] <coordinador> i have a problem with karmic
[03:54] <gdfjkl> the notifyosd messages are 1/4 the size they should be
[03:54] <coordinador> the screensaver works randomly
[03:55] <coordinador> i mean that sometimes works fine, sometimes doesnt start, sometimes the screen goes blank correctly, sometimes doesnt
[04:02] <billyjoel> hi.. java applets are freezing in UNR Karmic. already try several browser but no progress. help me! thanks :)
[04:04] <almoxarife> running kubuntu 9.4 in virtualbox on karmic in seamless and no crash yet, why?? wanna see what kubuntu does
[04:04] <almoxarife> is there a channel #kubuntu?
[04:13] <Hadi> hey ' whos working on developping Karmic
[04:17] <cdm10> My audio output is always muted when I start up the system. Anyone else having this issue?
[04:19] <tiger2wander> cdm10:: Sometime i have that problem, what kind of your audio card?
[04:19] <dtchen> cdm10: is it muted prior to logging in via the greeter?
[04:20] <dtchen> cdm10: i.e., check via tty1 what amixer reports for your card
[04:21] <cdm10> dtchen: sure, one minute
[04:22] <cdm10> tiger2wander: realtek integrated
[04:24] <jamieleshaw> Hello, will menu icons be enabled by default in KArmic Koala?
[04:24] <tiger2wander> cdm10:: not same with mine :) I'm using ATI Azalia
[04:24] <cdm10> jamieleshaw: nope! stupid design decision.
[04:25] <jamieleshaw> cdm10, So the menu's will continue to partially have icons by default
[04:25] <cdm10> jamieleshaw: afaik, nothing will be changed before launch
[04:25] <porter1> ysar, could you add a post on the forums or 9even better) in launchpad reporting it?
[04:25] <jamieleshaw> cdm10, dang
[04:27] <cdm10> dtchen: they appear to be muted
[04:28] <Bluey1> I am trying to default my printer to using the black only cartridge - trivial fix in 9.04 -- non trivial in 9.10 -- I can't find where to do this..
[04:28] <d9500> cdm10: have you tried setting your sound to a level you want it at, then running sudo alsactl store in terminal?
[04:28] <Bluey1> cups is way different
[04:28] <dtchen> cdm10: before you run alsactl store, can you pastebin your /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, please?
[04:30] <dtchen> hmm, I bet doing an alsactl store on runlevel [06] as an upstart job is insufficient
[04:31] <dtchen> we should do it whenever gdm is stopping
[04:31] <cdm10> ...it's working fine now.
[04:31] <dtchen> rather, whenever gdm/kdm/xdm
[04:31] <dtchen> cdm10: is it reproducible across a fresh reboot?
[04:31] <cdm10> it was set to 0 before i logged in, but login fixed it
[04:31] <cdm10> apparently not.
[04:31] <dtchen> well, PA will restore stream volumes
[04:32] <dtchen> what I'm trying to debug is when the store and restore break
[04:32] <dtchen> and that's an alsa-utils issue
[04:32] <dtchen> I thought I had fixed it with my upstart job, but it was too late to make it into 9.10 final
[04:33] <marco>  hi. sound is too low and i cannot find the audio mixer. where ist it. using 9.10
[04:33] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: the startup sound is missing and greater sound also, but sometime it works :(
[04:33] <tiger2wander> marco:: are you upgrading from 9.04?
[04:33] <dtchen> marco: the same place it has always been.
[04:33] <dtchen> marco: use a Terminal and alsamixer
[04:34] <dtchen> tiger2wander: again, I need the results from troubleshooting that I just explained to cdm10
[04:34] <tiger2wander> marco:: may you want try gnome-volume-control-applet on terminal
[04:34] <marco> umm ... I already used it but i think sound is still too low
[04:34] <dtchen> also, please understand that I won't be fixing this for 9.10. It's too late.
[04:35] <dtchen> marco: that's really too vague. What does amixer actually report?
[04:35] <dtchen> (use pastebin as necessary)
[04:36] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: do you want asound.state when sound is working?
[04:36] <marco> dtchen, there was a sound mixer on the top right corner of the desktop but now there is only a master volume control. there is no audio mixer there
[04:37] <cdm10> dtchen: sorry, i got distracted -- what do you need me to give you?
[04:37] <tiger2wander> or I'll go to tty and get it when problem come then throw it to you
[04:37] <dtchen> tiger2wander: no, only when it isn't, please
[04:37] <dtchen> tiger2wander: file a bug; that's the best way
[04:38] <dtchen> marco: yes, that's the new UI. I'm asking you to use a Terminal and give me either amixer or alsamixer output.
[04:38] <tiger2wander> dtchen:: ok, then I'll catch it when its coming
[04:38] <dtchen> cdm10: well, ideally when your symptom is reproducible: 00:28 < dtchen> cdm10: before you run alsactl store, can you pastebin your /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, please?
[04:38] <marco> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m558f966e
[04:38] <dtchen> cdm10: but, in light of the fact that I need to be @ work in a few hours, please just file a bug.
[04:39] <cdm10> dtchen: bleh, it's actually working just fine now :)
[04:39] <cdm10> dtchen: if it happens again, i'll report a bug.
[04:40] <dtchen> marco: please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[04:40] <marco> dtchen, thanks
[04:40] <tiger2wander> Have Ubuntu plan to re-integrate desktop indexer like tracker or beagles again?
[04:40] <dtchen> I bet this new state is completely screwing up people
[04:40] <dtchen> marco: I'm off to bed, so please just file a bug and include that output
[04:41] <marco> ok dtchen. thanks.
[04:41] <dtchen> marco: be sure to use apport-collect -p alsa-base #, where # is the bug report you file
[04:41] <cdm10> what's a good amount of time for a system to get from grub to login?
[04:42] <cdm10> well, a typical amount of time
[04:43] <JanC> cdm10: that depends a lot on what system  ;)
[04:44] <cdm10> JanC: let's say... a decent desktop system?
[04:44] <cdm10> i have a friend running nearly the same components and he says he gets ~15 seconds on Jaunty, which I find hard to believe -- I'm running Karmic and getting 25 seconds
[04:45] <JanC> I run a lot of services in the background, and they obviously slow down my system
[04:45] <JanC> at bootup
[04:46] <JanC> like, 2 (or sometimes 3) webservers, 2 database servers, etc.
[04:46] <JanC> ah, wel, 3 database servers these days it seems ;)
[04:47] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[04:47] <DanaG> that's my issue.
[04:47] <JanC> (you get the picture ;) )
[04:48] <cdm10> JanC: I guess you're the wrong person to compare boot times with :)
[04:50] <JanC> cdm10: I still see about 15 seconds (20 seconds max?) from grub til login screen though, on karmic  ;)
[04:50] <cdm10> JanC: Damn. Are you running encrypted swap?
[04:50] <JanC> nope
[04:50] <cdm10> maybe that's it..
[04:51] <JanC> I didn't meter it recently
[04:52] <JanC> and I have a lot of try-out services running in the background on my main desktop
[05:01] <ShapeShifter499> I installed itunes 9.0.1.8 via wine and I want to get rid of it for a version most known to work (version 7+ or 8  ) how do I do this??
[05:02] <coordinador> :O netsplit
[05:03] <ShapeShifter499> huh??
[05:05] <zuggyca> anyone have a doc for setting up a proper x vnc server on karmic?
[05:09] <almoxarife> proper?
[05:15] <bullgard4> [GNOME] System > Administration > Network Tools. DEB program package gnome-nettool. Synaptic: "GNOME Nettool is a network information tool which provides user interfaces for some of the most common command line network tools including: * ifconfig, * ping, * netstat, * tracepath, * port scanning, * DNS lookup, * finger, * whois." What is the underlying command-line command for this "* port...
[05:15] <bullgard4> ...scanning"?
[05:18] <DanaG> nmap?
[05:19] <bullgard4> DanaG: The problem is that I would like to know this more precisely than your question mark suggests.
[05:20] <DanaG> What I mean is, I'm guessing, but I'm not sure.
[05:20] <bullgard4> DanaG: Yes, I understand that well.
[05:20] <DanaG> for me, the term "port scan" makes me think of the word "nmap"... but I've never actually used the tool.
[05:21] <zmjjmz> what
[05:21] <dto> hi. how do i make the rt kernel the default with grub2?
[05:22] <dto> or at least set it so that it goes to the menu with a timeout? right now i can't get grub2 to come up even if i press esc during the boot seq
[05:26] <domo> hey there.. so im testing out karmic... installed samba and made a share.. when copying files to the share from a windows box, i get an error on random files "too many files are in use" so to confirm the 9.10 problem, i unstalled yet another fresh copy of 9.04 on the SAME box, made the same share and tried to copy and it worked
[05:26] <domo> so there is obv a problem with 9.10... any ideas or have you heard of anything like it?
[05:28] <domo> i installed **
[05:30] <bullgard4> domo: If there is obv a problem with 9.10 please file a Launchpad bug report.
[05:31] <arielCo> Hello everyone. Why am I not getting any notifications about available updates? "Check for updates" is checked in Software Sources.
[05:33] <bullgard4> arielCo: What does System > Administration > Update manager show?
[05:34] <arielCo> bullgard4: It runs fine, and if I tell it to Check it does bring new packages.
[05:34] <arielCo> bullgard4: but it doesn't notify me automatically as it used to in Jaunty
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> opps
[05:36] <ShapeShifter499> wrong channel
[05:36] <bullgard4> arielCo: With me, it does inform me at due time. But what Update manager thinks is an appropriate time has changed compared with Jaunty. If I was you I would patiently wait until Update manager will inform you.
[05:37] <bullgard4> that there are updates available.
[05:37] <dto> is there any interactive way to set the grub2 default?
[05:38] <bullgard4> arielCo: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.04
[05:38] <arielCo> bullgard4: Oh, so it's no longer daily? Maybe I didn't give it a chance. Still, a few days ago it updated approx 70 packages in one check.
[05:39] <Docteh> hmmm?
[05:39] <Docteh> arielCo: karmic comes out in like a few days, last minute rush with the updates ;)
[05:40] <bullgard4> arielCo: No. Rather weekly if I am not mistaken. (But security updates are still offered daily.)
[05:41] <arielCo> Docteh: I installed a few weeks ago, but now I see I didn't give it update-manager chance to tell me about the updates ;)
[05:41] <arielCo> bullgard4: small wonder it didn't notify me - the longest time between prompted checks was 4 days :)
[05:41] <dto> hi all. i'm trying to get the grub2 menu to show, but the instructions for doing so seem wrong. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[05:42] <dto> running sudo update-grub asks me if i want to create menu.lst??
[05:42] <dto> do i have the wrong grub tools?
[05:42] <arielCo> dto: what did grub-install say?
[05:42] <dto> this is on a system installed from the recent beta cd
[05:42] <dto> i didn't do grub-install
[05:42] <ShapeShifter499> I do have a question though, I have two laptops, one is a apple powerbook g4 stays at home and my mom uses it, the other is a aspire one netbook and moves around a lot, both have ubuntu 9.10 on them(updated from 9.04), and I want to have a ssh server access to the apple powerbook, I set it up and put a no-ip dns server on it, I thought I was good but I cannot access it outside of my home...
[05:42] <dto> brb
[05:42] <ShapeShifter499> ...network,why is that?
[05:43] <hanasaki> just tried karmic, it says iso9660 is not supported when mounting a CD.  is there a way to add support?
[05:44] <arielCo> hanasaki: huh? isn't that the typical format ?
[05:44] <Docteh> dto: that sounds odd, the grub that karmic is using makes a grub.cfg file
[05:45] <hanasaki> arielCo:  yes. that's why I was surprised
[05:45] <arielCo> how did you "mount" it?
[05:45] <localnnuser__> hanasaki: do you mean u want to mount the iso or the cd?
[05:45] <hanasaki> localnnuser__:  the CD
[05:45] <localnnuser__> hanasaki: probably it wasnt recorded correctly
[05:45] <Jeruvy> hanasaki: did it not just auto-mount the cd?
[05:46] <hanasaki> nope.
[05:46] <hanasaki> worked fine in windows
[05:46] <hanasaki> worked fine on jaunty. just not on the new kaola
[05:47] <ubuhantu> hello, java applet is freezing on ubuntu NBR karmic. already post the Q tomorrow, hope that today i can get reply and solved the problem :)
[05:47] <Jeruvy> very strange. Never saw that on any disc even unplayable ones ;)
[05:48] <ubuhantu> im sorry *yesterday
[05:48] <hanasaki> Jeruvy:  I just did a mount /dev/cdrom t
[05:48] <arielCo> hanasaki: open a terminal window, type "mount" to check it's not already mounted. If it's not, try "mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt" and see what you get
[05:48] <hanasaki> thnaks brb
[05:49] <dto> Docteh: i'm not sure what to do.
[05:49] <dto> this is a fairly fresh install
[05:51] <arielCo> dto: see if you have the "grub-pc" package installed
[05:51] <dto> ok.
[05:52] <dto> ahh.
[05:52] <dto> i didn't, and installing it looks like the right thing to do
[05:52] <arielCo> dto: if you try "aptitude show grub-pc" you should get Version: 1.97 or such. If it 0.9x it's GRUB1
[05:52] <dto> i'm guessing that that should be installed by default on a grub2 system ?
[05:52] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: you may want to check your router settings and verify your ip address.  You may have to open ssh on the router.
[05:52] <arielCo> yes, it should
[05:53] <arielCo> try "aptitude search grub | grep ^i"
[05:53] <arielCo> dto: that should tell you which Grub packages you have installed
[05:53] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: I did
[05:53] <dto> i saw that installing grub-pc regenerated a grub.cfg
[05:54] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: this is my setup, phone line plug in wall>line from phone plug to dsl box>line from dsl box to wifi box>wireless line to powerbook g4
[05:54] <dto> arielCo: that was the problem. it's fixed now. so, was grub-pc not being installed a bug in the ubuntu beta i used?
[05:54] <arielCo> dto: now you need to run "sudo grub-install"
[05:55] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: I would guess your wifi box is the router
[05:55] <dto> arielCo: it did that for me and rebooting shows that it picked up my config changes. I.e. now it displays the menu, whereas before it didn't, and i couldn't pick the rt kernel
[05:55] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy, yes
[05:55] <arielCo> dto: I don't think so - maybe you accidentally told it not to install Grub
[05:55] <arielCo> dto: :)
[05:55] <dto> and yet, grub2 is and has been the bootloader.
[05:56] <dto> i always saw GRUB loading, just never the menu
[05:56] <Jeruvy> !portforward | ShapeShifter499
[05:57] <arielCo> dto: traditionally, GRUB wrote one letter of its name for each step it did. If it only finished printing the letters, it was not properly installed.
[05:58] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: I did setup a port 22 forward  on the wifi router for the ip address the powerbook sees before the no ip takes over
[05:59] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: is the powerbook changing ips on you?
[05:59] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: the no-ip dns app
[05:59] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: no I mean is the powerbooks lan ip changing on you?
[06:00] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: no,
[06:02] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: well what did I do wrong?
[06:03] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: check using a port forwarding test site like http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[06:03] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: ok
[06:06] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: ohh, no-ip changed my main ip address to something other than what I had before
[06:06] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: its always something :)
[06:08] <ShapeShifter499> jeruvy: what could it be if changing this to the newer ip don't work?
[06:09] <Jeruvy> ShapeShifter499: I'd just confirm each step as you move outward...make sure it's all working.  There isn't anything else to it.
[06:14] <ShapeShifter499> Jeruvy: ok now I'm lost again, my LAN Port and my Internet Port  are way different, any sites that see the ip see the Internet Port ip, but my wifi router sees my computers as ip's similar(up to the last few numbers of the ip) as my Lan ports ip
[06:17] <Jeruvy> you may need to reset the routers config to update it to current.  Keep in mind if the ips change you'll have to go through this each time.  You could look at reserving the IP's on the lan or opening up the port forwarding to the entire range on the lan.  Also limiting the IP's from the router will limit the change, but not really fix the issue
[06:18] <Whitt> what is the minimum hardware to boot kernel 2.6.31?
[06:24] <Jeruvy> !specs | Whitt
[06:25] <Whitt> thanks Jeruvy, that raises questions cause I cannot boot a kernel higher than 2.6.27
[06:25] <Ian_Corne> what kind of harware do you have then?
[06:26] <Ian_Corne> disks,ram,motherboard
[06:26] <Ian_Corne> cpu
[06:27] <Whitt> P4 Northwood (3ghz) 1gb DDR400 ram, asus motherboard
[06:27] <Whitt> unsure of the model of motherboard
[06:27] <wgrant> 'cannot boot' could be more descriptive.
[06:27] <Jeruvy> Whitt: you may want to ask in #kernel, karmic uses 2.6.31
[06:27] <wgrant> Best to tell us the error mesage first.
[06:28] <Ian_Corne> And have you tried the livecd?
[06:29] <Whitt> 2.6.31 doesn't give an error message, it just sits at grub saying "booting hte system", and will stay there.  2.6.28 gives Bug init 14
[06:29] <zcat[1]> so are there any dailies since the rc?
[06:29] <Whitt> I haven't tried the liveCD for karmic, but 9.04 does the same thing cause its 2.6.28
[06:30] <wgrant> zcat[1]: Yes, in the usual place.
[06:32] <zcat[1]> where are they usuallt? I was looking in cdimage.ubuntu.com and can't find them
[06:32] <coordinador> i have a problem with karmic
[06:32] <coordinador> the screensaver works randomly
[06:32] <coordinador> i mean that sometimes works fine, sometimes doesnt start, sometimes the screen goes blank correctly, sometimes doesnt
[06:33] <Ian_Corne> coordinador: ubuntu-bug gnome-screensaver
[06:34] <virtuald> zcat[1]: testing.qa.ubuntu.com if I remember
[06:34] <zcat[1]> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ looks promising....
[06:34] <coordinador> Ian_Corne, now I am not in karmic, it is ok or I have to execute that command from karmic?
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> try to create errornous behavior on karmic
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> and exectute that command afterwards
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> it gathers all the right logs and stuff and attaches it to the bugreport
[06:35] <Ian_Corne> but i think there's already a few reported
[07:02] <mercutio22> Hey, are we able to get per viewport wallpapers now?
[07:05] <psychuil> Hi guys, does anyone know how i can switch to the 2nd lang i need to type in?
[07:05] <kostkon> psychuil, alt+shift?
[07:05] <psychuil> Doesn't work :\
[07:05] <kostkon> psychuil, also you can add the language indicator applet to your panel
[07:06] <psychuil> In keyboard -> layouts i've added hebrew.
[07:09] <psychuil> Any idea?
[07:15] <virtuald> do anyone else have compiz not focusing new windows?
[07:18] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Are you still there?
[07:22] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: You need to re-install grub and make sure that your deivce.map is correct when you run grub-install
[07:30] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: So if the prefix that worked was (hd0,1) and your /boot is /dev/sda1 then you would put "(hd0)/dev/sda" in your device.map You can also use super grub2 disk with my script to find and load grub.cfg files ( not yet in the released version of super grub2 disk, you can download the latest version from  http://jordanu.dyndns.org/sgd_cdrom_experimental.iso )
[08:00] <martinjh99> Morning guys - How do I mount a samba share?
[08:01] <martinjh99> sudo mount -t cifs  //192.168.1.200/data tmp/ gives me an error -22 in the logs
[08:01] <martinjh99> I seem to remember I need to install a cifs package but not done it in a while...
[08:05] <martinjh99> Never mind think I have fixed it!
[08:11] <om26er> which package provides fonts to openoffice??
[08:12] <yofel> doesn't it just use whatever fonts are available in the system?
[08:14] <om26er> yofel: no
[08:16] <asraniel> hi there,is it a known bug that in KDM, sometimes (well, quite often) the login screen is not displayed, but only the progress splash you usualy see after login, and you can't get it away
[08:23] <vivainio_> Any idea why sound doesn't work in Kubuntu Karmic Koala
[08:23] <vivainio_> I've checked the usual stuff
[08:23] <vivainio_> it plays, but nothing is heard
[08:24] <vivainio_> I also tried removing pulseaudio
[08:24] <vivainio_> and logs don't show any "device in use" problems
[08:24] <chazco> Is there any way to post a comment to a launchpad bug without registering?
[08:24] <vivainio_> and volume is turned up
[08:25] <vivainio_> [~]|3> lsof | grep /dev/snd
[08:25] <vivainio_> knotify4  1729   vivainio   12u      CHR      116,8       0t0    4041 /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:25] <vivainio_> kmix      1760   vivainio   10u      CHR      116,8       0t0    4041 /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:25] <yofel> chazco: don't know of one, you could try asking in #launchpad
[08:27] <chazco> yofel - Thanks
[08:28] <aboSamoor_> I am starting to use evolution to notify me with the new emails, as empathy does not do that ! if I close the evolution window it quit ! and it is not anymore checking my inbox
[08:30] <aboSamoor_> any idea how can I solve that ?
[08:32] <Ian_Corne> aboSamoor_: that's normal behaviour
[08:34] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: normal behavior ! it is annoying to have an open window for an application that is supposed to work in the background !
[08:34] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: what is the use of the message indicator applet if that was the situation ?
[08:35] <Ian_Corne> i don't know but it's not programmed (yet) to work in the background
[08:35] <Ian_Corne> you could just minimize evolution for now
[08:36] <Ian_Corne> you could submit a bug report and report that you'd like it to be in the background when closing, like empathy :)
[08:36] <aboSamoor_> Ian_Corne: I don't know, but empathy + indicator + evolution < pidgin ! that was bad decision
[08:36] <varanus> after some last updates, kde doesn't save the last configuration of widget position or plasma generaly ecc, and even now and then adds random activities by changing then the current ones. any1 know y? i have karmic with kde4.3.2
[08:38] <Ian_Corne> aboSamoor_: i'm not saying empathy is good :p
[08:38] <Ian_Corne> just saying that evolution was there before indicator applet and empathy business and it never went to the background when closing
[08:40] <om26er1> any 1 here having bad fonts in google chrome after installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:45] <om26er1> how to change the permissions of a file??
[08:46] <TheInfinity> chmod / chown.
[08:46] <om26er1> TheInfinity: chown will change the owner i will go with chmod
[09:07] <kaushal> hi
[09:08] <kaushal> anyone here have tried samba with ldap on ubuntu ?
[09:25] <mfraz74> where is the best place to report upgrade bugs?
[09:25] <TheInfinity> launchpad
[09:28] <mfraz74> ok, but i'm not sure the best way of reporting this one
[09:29] <mfraz74> i upgraded unr jaunty to karmic and the panel didn't have all the applets it should've had
[09:29] <i_is_broke> anyone else having update collection issues with amarok?
[09:29] <om26er1> mfraz74: you can add man
[09:30] <mfraz74> i tried adding them manaully, but the background colour was white instead of black
[09:30] <mfraz74> in the end i renamed .gnome .gnome2 .gconf and .gconfd and restarte
[09:30] <mfraz74> d
[09:31] <om26er1> mfraz74: and?
[09:31] <mfraz74> that was the only way of getting the panel back to how it should look
[09:33] <th1_> hi I just tried updating my karmic but lots of packages can't be authenticated suddenly? any keychain changes? (none are in the upgradeable list)
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> mfraz74: which addons?
[09:34] <Ian_Corne> i know powerapplet is gone
[09:35] <th1_> I don't want to install unsigned packages on my system so this is a problem..
[09:36] <mfraz74> the two that were missing are indicator-applet-session and indicator-applet
[09:36] <Ian_Corne> ha, weird
[09:36] <Ian_Corne> have you tried adding them again, or were they uninstalled?
[09:37] <mfraz74> i tried adding them, but the colours were inverted
[09:37] <Ian_Corne> colours?
[09:37] <mfraz74> also found it very hard to find somewhere on the panel to click to launch the applet manager
[09:37] <mfraz74> yes, they had a grey/white background instead of black
[09:38] <om26er1> installing ubuntu-restricted-extras make the fonts off google chrome ugly
[09:39] <om26er1> why is this
[09:40] <om26er1> i think ubuntu-restricted-extras bring ttf-msfonts and that cause the problem
[09:52] <vivainio> I think I found out why wo sound doesn't work
[09:52] <vivainio> it was muted on pulseaudio side
[09:53] <vivainio> i.e. the volumes were ok on alsamixer etc
[09:53] <vivainio> and kde volume control didn't unmute pulseaudio "master volume"
[09:53] <vivainio> "just works", eh
[09:59] <StrangeCharm> i think that grub is looking at the wrong disk to read its config (&c) from, from a live environment that can mount /boot, on the right disk, what changes should i make to get it to look at the right disk/partition?
[10:08] <davisc> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm
[10:10] <cviorel> Hi! I have a question about some annoying bug.
[10:10] <om26er1> cviorel: go on
[10:10] <cviorel> When I boot up, I get the following:
[10:10] <cviorel> One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[10:10] <cviorel> (ESC for recovery shell)
[10:10] <cviorel> swap: waiting for UUID=19ec2898-8e83-4b1c-9b8f-8790d42fd56a
[10:11] <cviorel> Search on ubuntu forums, no good solution found
[10:11] <cviorel> it's something about mountall
[10:11] <cviorel> also, no info on logs about this
[10:13] <cviorel> I use Karmic RC with all the latest updates and all my partitions are ext4
[10:14] <om26er1> cviorel: upgraded from jaunty or new install
[10:14] <cviorel> it's a fresh install using alternate cd
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:15] <om26er1> cviorel: y alternate cd
[10:15] <cviorel> alternate cd image
[10:16] <om26er1> use gui
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> lternate cd installs faster as it doesnt have to boot a full x server
[10:19] <cviorel> but this is not a gui-related issue
[10:20] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, alternate cd does boot a full x server
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: it boots to a text interface. this is the alternate installer in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAy-BD6KyHM
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: it will install a full desktop, but the installer itself is text based so is faster
[10:22] <afief> Is it just me or have the advanced options for the Login Screen been removed in Karmic? I wanted to remove the "beep" when the login screen appears
[10:23] <GastonLaGafff> Hello. Is there a recent change on the behaviour of the ubuntu's firewall?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> afief: di you blacklist pcspkr ?
[10:23] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I know this, but what does this have to do with the mounting?
[10:23] <oldude67> ugh i figured out why i was taking so long to boot...ugh lost my hard drive with the /home partition on it..now i have to start all over again...:(
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: i never mentioned mounting, i simply said it was faster
[10:24] <afief> ActionParsnip: not that kind of beep, it's the nice ubuntu "beep" it goes through the sound card
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> afief: is it in sound settings?
[10:25] <julian2> hi all, i just installed karmic as update from jaunty. Almost everything works fine. But the big problem is, that every kde4 program crashes, (i want to use kile and amarok). is this a known issue? If not, i'll submit it
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> afief: if its not in there ten i am unsue. i uninstalled the ubuntu sounds package as i hate stupid system noises
[10:26] <afief> ActionParsnip: my sound settings are "sound theme: No Sound"
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> afief: hmmm
[10:26] <th1_> julian2, I use only "kdirstat" from kde but that works fine
[10:26] <afief> ActionParsnip: in the previous version I could change lots of things about the login screen, but now the login screen settings thing is too simple to allow anything
[10:27] <om26er1> afief: sytem sounds are disabled in the latest libgnome
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> afief: this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/disable-the-login-sound-on-ubuntu/
[10:27] <th1_> julian2, does "kdirstat" work for you?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> afief: try System->Administration->Login Window->Accessibility.
[10:28] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, so the workaround for my problem is to install using desktop cd?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> afief: or Preferences/Sound/Sounds and "deselect" login
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded and verify the cd you burned?
[10:29] <afief> ActionParsnip: that's what I'm saying there is no "accessibility" in system -> administration -> login screen
[10:29] <julian2> th1_  it starts, but its kde3
[10:29] <julian2> th1_ also konsole, quanta works
[10:29] <pietrubens> (note: i'm an absolute beginner) my problem: recently installed ubuntu 8.10 dual boot with vista, however, in ubuntu the internet would not work. I tried to read in on a few forums, but did not come across one that resolved my problem. I tried to install the 9.10 beta then hoping that there would be no more problem. However, when installing it seemed that only 2 possibilities were possible: installing on the whole ha
[10:30] <afief> ActionParsnip: and I think the login sound in the preferences it's the sound that comes after you type the username and password, the sound i'm talking about happens when the login screen initializes
[10:30] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, yeap, I did that. I also burned the cd image on another cd, same thing
[10:30] <th1_> julian2, ok I guess I don't use any kde4 apps then ;)
[10:30] <julian2> th1_ but kile and amarok are linked against kde4 libs
[10:30] <th1_> hm
[10:30] <th1_> I would try to install it but right now I have a different problem: it won't authenticate any of the karmic packages
[10:30] <th1_> so I can't do aptitude upgrade
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: ok thats good, many dont (annoying)
[10:30] <th1_> unless I want to risk infecting my system...
[10:31] <julian2> th1_ in jaunty that worked ... the problem is, there is no serious gnome equivalent to kile ;(
[10:31] <th1_> I dunno, I use amarok too on my media pc
[10:31] <th1_> I don't know what kile does
[10:32] <th1_> right now I just need to figure why its doing that keyring error stuff so I can install the 94 updates that are waiting
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: whats your issue?
[10:32] <julian2> th_1 kile is a latex editor/ide
[10:32] <th1_> but I won't just click "OK" when I don't have any idea why it's suddenly not working ...
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> afief: then you may have to check your gdm settings, there may be a sound set there
[10:32] <afief> ActionParsnip: where can I find those settings?
[10:33] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, when the system boots up, I get some messeges like this:
[10:33] <cviorel> (ESC for recovery shell)
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> !gdm
[10:33] <Light-> lolwut, ubottu needs to upskill
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: is that booting off the CD?
[10:33] <oldude67> !info gdm
[10:33] <th1_> does anyone know about apt / update manager and problem with signed in Karmic?
[10:34] <prkos1> Where in Karmic are the additional options that were under Login Window in jaunty? Specifically I need Security, allow TCP connections to Xserver
[10:34] <afief> ActionParsnip: gdmsetup gives me the same spartan options that I get from the administration menu
[10:34] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, no, after installing is finished.
[10:34] <oldude67> cviorel, was that after a x freeze?
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> afief: System > Admin > Login Window   maybe
[10:34] <julian2> th1_ ok, good luck and thank you for your answer... perhaps they will fix the issue in the final release
[10:34] <afief> ActionParsnip: ain't there
[10:34] <afief> prkos1: welcome to the club :) I'm looking for that too
[10:35] <cviorel> oldude67, I installed the system three days ago
[10:35] <prkos1> yes I see GMTA lol
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> afief: not sure then. I just use whatevers default but if there is a way to change it, the sound may be part of the theme or somesuch
[10:35] <oldude67> cviorel, ya but did yo have a screen freeze? then the boot to recovery mode ?
[10:35] <vega-> prkos1: that's too advanced, you are not allowed to touch that.. "gnome policy"
[10:36] <prkos1> vega-: I have intranet at home and I want to be able to work on my desktop from my laptop
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: if you reinstall grub2 is it better?
[10:36] <DamienCassou> hi
[10:36] <cviorel> oldude67, no screen freeze, just those messages
[10:36] <afief> ActionParsnip: guess I'll file a bug report
[10:36] <prkos1> it worked in jaunty without problems, and there was the allow TCP under Login Window > Security
[10:37] <th1_> please help, I get "WARNING You are about to install software that can't be authenticated!" when I try upgrading from update manager on my karmic, since yesterday
[10:37] <DamienCassou> Java applications have visual problems: most widgets (labels, buttons...) do not appear at all
[10:38] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I did not tried to reinstall grub2
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> th1_: can you use http://pastebin.com    to give the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: might help
[10:39] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, I don't think it will help because I had the same behaviour using two different images and cd-s
[10:39] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, will try and get back in a sec
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: tried any boot options?
[10:40] <knarf> hi, i get green circles in gimp when i go over with the mouse.
[10:40] <th1_> ActionParsnip, thanks but after apt-get update'ing again now it works
[10:40] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, nope, no boot options. In early beta stages, I never had experienced this
[10:40] <th1_> I'm guessing I just downloaded the index at the wrong time
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | cviorel
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: try disablin acpi and/or dma
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> as well as others
[10:42] <cviorel> will try this and come back with the results
[10:43] <cviorel> thanks
[10:43] <DamienCassou> has any of you encountered problems with Java applications?
[10:44] <DamienCassou> graphical elements do not appear at all
[10:45] <knarf> some of the buttons in openoffice are distorted. is it a problem with my graphic card?
[10:47] <knarf> hi again, how does one disable karmic's notification?
[10:48] <th1_> hey julian2
[10:48] <th1_> I did get the update fixed
[10:49] <th1_> now I will try to install kile ...
[10:49] <topyli> knarf, what's karmic's notification? do you mean notify-osd?
[10:50] <knarf> topyli: yes i mean notify-osd
[10:50] <topyli> if you want the 90s-style notification bubbles, you should install and use gnome-stracciatella-session
[10:51] <knarf> ok
[10:51] <knarf> thanks
[10:51] <julian2> th1_ thx
[10:52] <th1_> it works kile for me
[10:52] <th1_> at least shows main 2window and "tip of the day"
[10:52] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, no change
[10:53] <cviorel> also reinstalled grub
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: all i can suggest then is disable some hardware in ram and attempt a boot
[10:53] <th1_> julian2, what error do you get?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> not in ram, in bios
[10:54] <th1_> now I just installed amarok too, and it works aswell
[10:55] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, thanks for your time
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: i try, shame we couldnt get you the gold
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> cviorel: try later, different users
[10:56] <julian2> th1_ segmentation fault  ...
[10:56] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, will try to debud this on my own.
[10:56] <th1_> did it generate a crash report?
[10:57] <cviorel> ActionParsnip, thanks again! Will share my findings if I manage to fix this
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[10:58] <julian2> th1_, my home was killed
[11:05] <knarf> topyli: is there a simpler way to disable those notification bubbles? Basically everything is fine on my pc, except that those bubbles show now text but lines
[11:06] <sque> Hi, how can I disable network-manager on karmic? Are there different commands for upstart?
[11:07] <topyli> knarf, the stracciatella-session is the cleanest way to get rid of them. although it now sounds you don't actually want to disable them, you want to fix them
[11:08] <knarf> topyli: yes. seems to be a graphic card problem. I think I'll wait for a while and see if updates fixes that problem...
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> sque: bum can disable it from startup
[11:11] <sque> ActionParsnip, doesn't seem to work
[11:12] <sque> ActionParsnip, The network-manager seems already deactivated in BUM. Are you sure BUM is upstart aware? because network-manager in karmic has been migrated to upstart job.
[11:12] <aguitel> anyone have problem with gnome-power-manager?
[11:13] <th1_> ** (gnome-power-manager:29609): WARNING **: Either HAL or DBUS are not working!
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> sque: not sure, i dont use any network manager apps
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> sque: could simply uninstall it i guess if you never need it
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> !upstart
[11:14] <aguitel> th1_, what i need to do
[11:14] <th1_> aguitel, I don't know
[11:15] <aguitel> th1_, it will solve in final version?
[11:15] <th1_> aguitel, I don't know it already works on my laptop
[11:15] <th1_> just not on my desktop
[11:20] <Rods_Tiger> which "desktop image" should I choose? There's "Marvell Dove" or "Freescale i.MX51" - how can I tell which one to use?
[11:20] <th1_> which device is it for
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> pretty much any
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> just for general trying out
[11:21] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, these images are specialized devices for certain embedded boards
[11:21] <th1_> you need the right one for the board you want to use
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: looks like you'll have to know your board yu are installing on
[11:21] <th1_> if you want for a PC then you don't need either of those ...
[11:21] <Rods_Tiger> But it says right there "This type of image is what most people will want to use".
[11:22] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[11:22] <Rods_Tiger> no, here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[11:22] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, you need the CD
[11:22] <Rods_Tiger> but which one?
[11:23] <th1_> not the Image as I said the image is for embedded boards
[11:23] <Rods_Tiger> do most people use the embedded boards image?
[11:23] <th1_> eitger OC desktop CD or 64-bit PC desktop
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: no, most use the desktop iso
[11:23] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, only if they have an embedded board(!)
[11:25] <th1_> tbh that page is well confusing
[11:25] <th1_> it shouldn't list the foreign architecture images in the middle of the PC images
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> foreign architectures?
[11:26] <Rods_Tiger> I like the idea of trying it "without changing your computer at all" and if "This type of image is what most people will want to use" then that made it all the more appealing, if I knew how to choose between "Marvell Dove" or "Freescale i.MX51".
[11:28] <prkos1> ActionParsnip: update on the allow TCP, it's in /etc/gdm/custom.conf I added the line DisallowTCP=false and now it works (I also added the comment from jaunty for that option to make it more clear)
[11:28] <th1_> I dunno why they did remove it in Karmic
[11:29] <th1_> it was hard enough to find in jaunty
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> prkos1: nice one :)
[11:29] <Rods_Tiger> I think I'll stick to the image I currently have - the UNR
[11:30] <Rods_Tiger> even though every time I shut the lid the thing freezes and has to have the battery pulled out to use it again
[11:31] <th1_> Rods_Tiger, which pc do you have
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> Acer Aspire One
[11:35] <kaddi__> hi, I want to install win7 on a pc where karmic (and xp) is already present. Is there anything I need to be aware of? Eg does win7 remove grub adn replace it  with it's own bootmanager?
[11:36] <th1_> kaddi__, yes it does
[11:36] <th1_> its always better to install windows first
[11:36] <kaddi__> but it is fixable?
[11:36] <th1_> yes you boot from the Ubuntu LiveCD and reinstall the GRUB
[11:37] <kaddi__> ok
[11:39] <th1_> kaddi__, in fact see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:39] <kaddi__> thanks a lot :)
[11:41] <StrangeCharm> after a fresh install of the karmic RC, with several, distinct encrypted disks, i'm encountring a problem decrypting them at boot: when prompted for the passphrase for the disk that contains /, all goes well, but when prompted for the phrase for md0_crypt, the message "* Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf smdb only" appears on the same line, before I am able to completely enter the phrase. why is this happenning? how can I stop it?
[11:42] <SwedeMike> StrangeCharm: does this affect your ability to enter the phrase?
[11:43] <StrangeCharm> SwedeMike, it seems so, attempting to enter the phrase befor the message is impossible. entering it afterwards has no apparrent effect
[11:47] <phako> meh
[11:47] <phako> why did you guys remove that "run wireshark as root" entry?
[11:48] <mzz> what entry?
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> phako: wasnt me
[11:48] <mzz> also, don't run it as root
[11:49] <th1_> meh amarok isn't working
[11:55] <th1_> when I start Amarok it shows a popup with: "Phonon: KDE's Multimedia Library - The audio playback device Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server does not work. Falling back to default." and hten when I hit play nothing happens instead it prints "(<unknown>:30002): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed"
[11:57] <th1_> how can I fix amarok
[12:00] <Vaga> I have a strange problem, the end key(the one over the arrow keys) dos not work.... All other keys work(home, ins and del). If I turn off numlock, the end on the numeric keyboard dos work....
[12:00] <aguitel> th1_, amarok is not installed by default
[12:00] <cwillu> mzz, you know of a better way to run it with privileges to capture in promiscuous mode?
[12:00] <th1_> aguitel I know I just installed it from Ubuntu Software Centre
[12:03] <th1_> from Rhythmbox it works fine but Amarok is much nicer
[12:05] <Vaga> th1_: I belive Exaile whants to be amarok for gnome.
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> !players
[12:06] <th1_> Vaga, but shouldn't amarok also work?
[12:07] <Vaga> th1_:yeah it should. But I got here a bit late, so I dint catch waht was wrong with it...
[12:07] <th1_> when I start Amarok it shows a popup with: "Phonon: KDE's Multimedia Library - The audio playback device Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server does not work. Falling back to default." and hten when I hit play nothing happens instead it prints "(<unknown>:30002): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed"
[12:08] <knarf> th1_  do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[12:08] <th1_> yes
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> why does the "eject" button really remove the device from the system now?
[12:11] <patdk-lap> hmm, I found out suspend on my laptop fails horribly, worked find in hoary/jaunty/intrepid :(
[12:11] <th1_> shall I file a bug report for Amarok?
[12:12] <knarf> Ian_Corne: because it unmounts stuff i guess
[12:12] <Ian_Corne> it does that but does more, you have to plug it out and in to get the device back
[12:12] <C-S-B> my acer aspire one isnt detected the power cable being removed, anyone else have this?
[12:13] <knarf> th1_ do other players work?
[12:14] <th1_> knarf, yes they do
[12:15] <ltspadmin> after click on unlock (in users settings) password popup did not come
[12:15] <ltspadmin> after click on unlock (in users settings) password popup did not come in ubuntu 8.04
[12:17] <phako> cwillu: chmod u+s dumpcap
[12:17] <cwillu> phako, that way _everybody_ can play!
[12:17]  * cwillu blinks
[12:17] <phako> *g*
[12:18] <cwillu> (please tell me that's not the default)
[12:18] <phako> no
[12:18]  * cwillu is relieved
[12:19] <|ransom|> does anyone know how to turn of the startup sound in karmic? it used to be in "Login Screen," but it has changed
[12:19] <|ransom|> *off
[12:19] <alankila> I think it's now in the general Sound settings.
[12:20] <|ransom|> hrm, i don't see it
[12:20] <Chorca> Hey hey
[12:20] <knarf> syst->pref>sound
[12:20] <Chorca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/457996 can anyone else access this bug?
[12:21] <knarf> sound theme: none
[12:21] <knarf> i think
[12:21] <|ransom|> knarf: won't that kill all my sounds?
[12:21] <knarf> dont know....trying myself :)
[12:21] <th1_> knarf, Vaga : I added a bug report for my amarok problem, at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/461904
[12:22] <legend2440> |ransom|: open system>prefs>startup applications>uncheck gnome login sounds
[12:22] <davisc> Actually, while we're on login sounds, has anyone else noticed the login sound playing about 5 or 10 seconds before the login window appears?
[12:22] <|ransom|> legend2440: ha ha! that's it. thank you
[12:23] <knarf> |ransom| there ia an option Enable window and button sounds
[12:23] <knarf> cool
[12:23] <StrangeCharm> SwedeMike, any thoughts?
[12:23] <mzz> cwillu: don't use wireshark to capture, use something smaller (like dumpcap) and then open the resulting capture files in wireshark running as regular user
[12:25] <C-S-B> my /proc information about the battery is correct but gnome-power-manager isn't detecting when the battery is discharging
[12:25] <C-S-B> which means my netbook just shuts off
[12:27] <Prentice> hey, I'm having problems with my memory stick it was loading fine but I clicked unmount and now I can't see it
[12:28] <Chorca> hmm.. private bug
[12:29] <Prentice> what do you mean?
[12:30] <Chorca> did you unplug and plug the stick back into the computer?
[12:31] <phako> "Have you tried turning it on and off again"
[12:31] <Chorca> and is it an SD card or USB device?
[12:31] <ltspadmin> how to creat an user in ltsp if unlock option is not work....
[12:31] <Chorca> or something similar
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with flash drives not auto mounting in 9.10 for age
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> it works some times.. but most of the time not. I end up mounting them by hand
[12:31] <C-S-B> Dr_Willis, do you have karmic running on a laptop?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> laptop and 2 desktops
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> not noticed the issue on the laptop.. not really looked.
[12:32] <darkpeter> hi
[12:32] <C-S-B> does gnome-power-manger show an icon correctly when the battery start discharging?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> or on the other desktop. but this main desktop has had the issue for ages
[12:32] <Prentice> it is a USB
[12:32] <Prentice> and is not a power thign
[12:32] <Prentice> so I can't trn it off
[12:32] <darkpeter> anyone know how to force a screen resolution in 91.0 ??
[12:33] <darkpeter> 9.10*
[12:33] <Chorca> Does this happen when you plug it in? After you unmount a drive you need to unplug and plug it back in again to get it to show up.
[12:33] <Chorca> does dmesg show anything interesting when you plug it in?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> basically when i first log in. It normally 'works' i plug it in - see icon on the desktop.. but after a while. it just stops working. dmesg and the  kernel Do see it.. and i can mount it by hand.
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> often if i log out/back in . it then starts working again
[12:34] <Chorca> wonder where you'd see info from the automounter.. syslog?
[12:34] <darkpeter>  ?
[12:35] <Chorca> darkpeter: there's an icon for screen settings in preferences or administration i believe, is that what you mean?
[12:35] <darkpeter> no
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Chorca:  not sure. I looked into it a bit.. but then gave up on it and just made me some icons to mount it manually
[12:35] <Chorca> ah
[12:35] <darkpeter> i want 1280x1024 but the system just purpose 1024x768
[12:35] <ltspadmin> how to creat an user in ltsp if unlock option is not work....
[12:35] <Prentice> SO what should I do?
[12:36] <Chorca> I haven't had any issues yet with USB.. though the Mini9 hates suspend.. locks it up solid.
[12:36] <Prentice> cause I've only just switched to ubuntu and don't know alot babout it
[12:36] <Chorca> Do you know what filesystem is on the USB drive? Is it NTFS or FAT32
[12:36] <Chorca> I don't think Ubuntu will automount an unclean NTFS system
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Prentice:  dirty fix. log out/back in . see if it starts seeing it now.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> if its ntfs  - yes that can be an issue
[12:37] <Prentice> I really dunno
[12:37] <Prentice> I will do a restart see if it's ok after that
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> see what 'sudo fdisk -l' shows the device is.
[12:37] <Chorca> prolly fat32 then. Try Dr WIlllis' idea
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> or not..
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:37] <Chorca> lol
[12:37] <Chorca> so aparrantly someone marked my bug as duplicate to a  private bug
[12:37] <Chorca> yay
[12:38]  * patdk-lap wonders if win7 lets you format flash/usb as ntfs, I know xp and vista won't
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !windows | patdk-lap
[12:38] <Chorca> Dunno, haven't had a reason to try lol XD
[12:38] <patdk-lap> ActionParsnip, heh?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> mkfs.ntfs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: if you want to know if win7 will do something, ask in ##windows
[12:39] <patdk-lap> I'm just wondering why someone would think flash/usb would have ntfs at all
[12:39] <Chorca> i think it's within the context.
[12:39] <Chorca> if you were able to format as NTFS that could potentially cause more USB problems as they'd be unclean dismounts
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: it can be any FS you like
[12:40] <patdk-lap> I know it can do any fs you like
[12:40] <Chorca> but would our users formatting on a windows machine be able to do that, is the question.
[12:40] <patdk-lap> but windows won't let you, and if you formatted it with ntfs in linux well
[12:40] <patdk-lap> and windows won't let you have more than one partition on it also :(
[12:40] <Chorca> yeah
[12:40] <Chorca> unless 3rd party util or fdisk maybe
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> patdk-lap: if you use fdisk you can afaik
[12:41] <mzz> what, windows doesn't let you partition usb mass storage? that seems odd
[12:41] <patdk-lap> even with fdisk in wondows you can't, windows will ignore all but the first partition :)
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> good ol windows eh
[12:41] <patdk-lap> I use it to hid stuff on my usb drives I don't want people to erase
[12:41] <mzz> I mean, it's just a block device, and they normally do have a partition table
[12:41] <wirechief> mzz it is odd i have a usb hd with 3 ntfs partitions and it works fine.
[12:41] <Prentice> ok restart didn't work
[12:42] <mzz> I guess it could be a little confusing because in windows you can unmount the device via the drive letter
[12:42] <mzz> (so it's unclear if you should unmount all of those, or if unmounting one would actually unmount all partitions on the device)
[12:43] <mzz> still, odd.
[12:44] <Chorca> k i need to poof
[12:44] <Jimmio> Hello all
[12:44] <Jimmio> Are there any major bugs with the RC?
[12:44] <Chorca> there we go
[12:45] <Jimmio> I think I read somewhere about large files getting corrupted, is there any truth to that? If so, should I avoid the RC on my development system?
[12:46] <wirechief> Jimmio i would avoid it on a developement system for a while, better safe than sorry.
[12:46] <Jimmio> wirechief: Alright... *snaps fingers*
[12:46] <wirechief> especially with ati graphics
[12:47] <Jimmio> wirechief: I love using the new Ubuntus... I have Nvidia xP
[12:47] <mzz> Jimmio: there's a bug open, but apparently not everyone is seeing it (I'm pretty sure I haven't seen it)
[12:48] <patdk-lap> I haven't seen it, largest files I'm using are a few 20gig ones
[12:48] <wirechief> mine kept stalling, i had to re-configure the X system to get a workable desktop
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what the definiton of a 'large' file is....
[12:49] <Jimmio> wirechief: ASUS P6T motherboard, Intel Core i7 920, 12GB OCZ DDR3 ram @ 1033Mhz, EVGA Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX+... I think there won't be any issues with that... except sleeping of course.. nothing allows this PC to sleep xP
[12:49] <patdk-lap> normally, >4g, but who knows these days :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> when i got  Huge Hard drives.. :) 4gb files are trivial now
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext4 can have some conditions  (from what i read on the wiki pages) where if you have power failure or somting at just the wrong time - you can lose a file.
[12:50] <mzz> I don't have many of those (well, except for a few vm hd images, I guess)
[12:50] <patdk-lap> ya, but still the only *limits* are 4gb, I guess the next limit could be 2tb files though
[12:50] <mzz> Dr_Willis: err, where'd you read that?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ext4 wiki page
[12:50] <Chorca> mine just had issues booting from the USB.. did the whole "filesystem is out of space" thing
[12:50] <mzz> Dr_Willis: you mean the thing where userland apps don't flush things exactly the way they're supposed to?
[12:50]  * mzz hums
[12:50] <wirechief> Jimmio i dont know how you could put something like that asleep, its flying around at warp all the time., ;) sleep has and will be a issue for a long time.
[12:51] <mzz> I still wonder if it'd make sense to have a more transactional filesystem api. But I don't know enough about filesystems to know how possible it is to implement one of those.
[12:51] <patdk-lap> jimmio, that is the comuter I'm looking at getting, but the p6t7 workstation board
[12:51] <Jimmio> wirechief: Even Win7 can't sleep it o.o
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> anyone have an idea why flash "flashes" when playing? I'm on an atom 1.6ghz
[12:51] <Ian_Corne> is it just that my cpu isn't good enough or?
[12:51] <Jimmio> patdk-lap: It's a great setup... but.. Avoid ASUS.
[12:52] <wirechief> Jimmio did you have any issues dualbooting win7 with Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <Chorca> Ian: haven't had that issue on the Mini 9
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> avoid asus?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> mzz:  the issue is aparently  similer to that.. but the constant flushing - causes performance hits.. so  patches are being worked on to make it less of an issue.
[12:52] <patdk-lap> Ian_Corne, many have reported issues with i7 asus boards
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> aha
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> we have 4 computers with an asus i7 board, no problems yet
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> don't know the model
[12:53] <Jimmio> patdk-lap: Asus has the SLOWEST BIOS times I've ever seen, also there's no boot options, you have to edit the bios settings to boot from a flash drive >_<
[12:53] <Jimmio> wirechief: No issues what-so-ever.
[12:53] <Chorca> Jimmio: Neither does Intel.. at least the 955XBK i have
[12:53] <Jimmio> wirechief: Just a simple chainload of the Win7 bootloader, and all is good
[12:53] <ChogyDan> Jimmio: are you talking about a eee?
[12:53] <mzz> having to dive into the bios to change boot order wouldn't bug me (many systems I've used do it that way)
[12:54] <Jimmio> Chorca: Hmm... Maybe I'm just used to Dell and their easy to boot from BIOS.
[12:54] <patdk-lap> heh, using f12 is nice for that, but I never do that on a workstation
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> most of my pc's i hit F11 and pick usb drive (which appears in diferent submenus  depending on the flash drive. not sure why) :)
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> These MB makers need to get together and decide Which F keys should do what for the bios stuff..
[12:54] <mzz> then again, I use old hardware. One system won't even boot from usb.
[12:55] <mzz> *yes*
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Its F9 on this one pc.. F10 on another  F12 on the OTHER pc.. to pick the boot device
[12:55] <patdk-lap> mzz, I still have systems without usb :)
[12:55] <mzz> same to actually enter the bios.
[12:55] <Jimmio> ChogyDan: eee? No, I'm talking about ASUS and their crappy decision to use that BIOS and the JMicron controller because it's so farging slow.
[12:55] <mzz> patdk-lap: hmm, I don't think I have one of those. Except for the old 486 in the corner, but I don't even know if that thing boots.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Jimmio:  but it was .05 Cents cheaper!
[12:55] <patdk-lap> jimmio, the dell r410 bios are slow also
[12:55] <wirechief> Jimmio well thats something i expected with grub2, i have a emachine that i will test first and will see what i need to do, putting karmic in the mix could raise some unexpected events.
[12:56] <worufu> is this the correct channel to contirubte to 9.10 RC testing?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> worufu:  yes
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> thats what the topic says. :)
[12:56] <worufu> great. thanks.
[12:56] <Jimmio> wirechief: Nothing unexpected. Just install Win7, boot Ubuntu LiveCD, resetup grub, all good.
[12:56] <worufu> haha :)
[12:57] <StrangeCharm> how can i (indeed, can i) reconfigure an existing dm-crypt partition that is currently mounted with a passphrase, so that it is instead mounted with a keyfile?
[12:57] <worufu> I installed 9.10 two days ago (upgrade from 9.04 with some KDE4 repos... can't remember exactly to 9.10)
[12:57] <worufu> from the beginning there were problems during the boot process right after the install
[12:57] <worufu> once kdm was running everything was fine
[12:58] <Jimmio> Are updates working? I remember ubuntu NEVER updating properly..
[12:58] <worufu> but only every 10th time or so it would boot all the way through to KDM login
[12:58] <Jimmio> I was about to burn and reinstall from scratch
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> i update every day... with no hassles...
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Unless you mean 'upgradeing' from one release to the next. and having issues..
[12:58] <Jimmio> I meant distribution upgrads
[12:58] <mzz> Jimmio: I'd expect the apt-get kind of update to work and the firefox internal kind of update to not work, for obvious reasons (firefox itself not being able to write to its install dir, and you not wanting it to either)
[12:58] <mzz> err, that came out of nowhere
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> upgrades - can be hassle free.. or full of hassles.. it just depends.
[12:58] <worufu> that worked well until today (a bit inconvenient having to boot many times, but OK)
[12:58] <mzz> Jimmio: sorry, I have this channel and #ubuntu-offtopic mixed up
[12:59] <worufu> today I never was able to get KDM running
[12:59] <worufu> at the moment I am running from the live CD and backing up my old home directory
[12:59] <worufu> think I will try to overwrite the existing installation with a new clean install
[12:59] <worufu> just wanted to drop by and offer some input if needed
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> release is in a few days.. its basically hold on and wait for the storm to hit now... :)
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> 36 updates today for me.. weeee.
[13:01] <worufu> ...the problem is not just that kdm would not start. the system in general freezes with a blank screen... no switch to tty1/2/etc. possible
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> nvidia, pulse, xorg, xsever -  thats scary... :)
[13:01] <wirechief> worufu can you ssh in to the sick machine ?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> worufu,
[13:01] <BluesKaj> a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data  if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition.
[13:02] <worufu> wirechief: at the moment I am running the live CD on the sick machine
[13:02] <BluesKaj> You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.
[13:02] <worufu> wirechief: backing up my home dir
[13:03] <Jimmio> Offtopic (mostly), but, what are the chances of getting Nvidia hardware support into my own kernel? How'd it come about for X11?
[13:03] <wirechief> ok
[13:03] <Dink> next time stick your home dir on a separate fs so then you can just reinstall without having to back it up again. Just don't format that fs on the new install and make it your home mount again.
[13:03] <Alan> So, you probably hear this a lot...  Karmic RC, install or wait?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  flip a coin.
[13:04] <Alan> Dr_Willis: haha :P
[13:04] <Alan> Hmmm... the release is the 29th right?
[13:04] <hylman> will karmic moblin remix final released on 29th as well?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  when its released the torrents will be amazing fast.....   but the servers may be slow. :)
[13:04] <Chorca>  I haven't had any issues with ATI card
[13:04] <worufu> Dink: that is very good advice... I was just too lazy to repartition my harddrive... now it is haunting me :)
[13:04] <Alan> I suppose i might as well wait, now i've left it this long
[13:04] <Alan> Dr_Willis: I've been syncing Karmic repos locally for over a month :p
[13:05] <Chorca> Intel mobo with ATI 4850
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  so its YOU that have been taking up all the bandwith!
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Alan:  i just use an apt-cacher server for my home lan. :) and i will update/upgrade tomorrow.. then wait  a week after release befor i update again i imagine. :)
[13:07] <Jimmio> Who was it who said I can install the new Ubuntu but not let it format /?
[13:07] <Alan> Dr_Willis: i'm using apt-mirror... thought it was better to sync karmic *before* the beta so I'm only getting the changes each night, and then i don't need to load the real servers at all when i'm installing fresh Karmic on the 4-or-so machines here
[13:07] <Jimmio> Will that actually work?
[13:07] <Alan> Dr_Willis: I don't like waiting on my net connection to download stuff, even the first time...
[13:07] <bjsnider> Jimmio, what do you mean by the nvidia question?
[13:07] <Alan> (especially when one of my first things to install is all the LaTeX stuff
[13:08] <Alan> )
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Jimmio:  it may want to format / - but not formating /home is doable
[13:08] <Jimmio> bjsnider: I develop a kernel/OS for fun... and wanted to look into getting Nvidia hardware support for it... xP
[13:09] <bjsnider> Jimmio, which nvidia hardware. graphics cards?
[13:09] <Jimmio> bjsnider: Yep.
[13:10] <bjsnider> well it's like anything else that needs to be compiled into the kernel. you download the headers, compile it in, and reboot
[13:10] <Alan> Jimmio: you mean beyond vesa mode?
[13:10] <Jimmio> Alan: Yep. I want access to CUDA/OpenCL too.
[13:10] <Alan> oooh
[13:10] <Alan> good luck with that :|
[13:11] <Alan> work out a way to harness the blob that nvidia provide for Linux?
[13:11] <bjsnider> Jimmio, install dkms and then the 190 driver and it will be done for you
[13:12] <Jimmio> bjsnider: .... Do you miss the point that I'm developing a kernel FROM SCRATCH? with no relation to Linux at all?
[13:12] <bjsnider> yes i must have missed that
[13:12]  * kklimond- is wondering what's thew point of developing kernel from scratch up to the point when you have opencl support.
[13:12] <bjsnider> the Jimmio kernel
[13:13] <Jimmio> kklimond-: Experience. Fun. No GPL to deal with.
[13:14] <bjsnider> Jimmio, if you think there are things wrong with the linux kernel then contribute to that. i don't think developing your own kernel is an efficient use of your time
[13:14] <bjsnider> since there's already a perfectly good kernel available for your use
[13:14] <Jimmio> bjsnider: I don't even want to go there. I don't want my shitty code running on a real live kernel.
[13:15] <bjsnider> so now you think your kernel would be inferior to linux!
[13:15] <kklimond-> Jimmio, It's fun when you deal with well documented hardware
[13:15] <kklimond-> .
[13:16] <Jimmio> kklimond: IF you deal with well documented hardware.
[13:16] <kklimond-> trying to get opencl work on some custom kernel would be...a nonoptimal use of your time ;)
[13:16] <bjsnider> rolling a custom linux is a good use of time, but creating your own custom kernel isn't
[13:17] <Jimmio> rolling a custom linux isn't a good use of time
[13:17] <Jimmio> there's millions of distros already
[13:18] <bjsnider> custom linux kernel
[13:18] <Jimmio> and only one I feel at home with *hugs ubuntu CD*
[13:18]  * mzz doesn't think cds are very huggable
[13:18] <mzz> also, I second the folks here recommending you hack on linux (or a linux module) instead of your own kernel
[13:19] <Jimmio> Raw OS Dev is more fun.
[13:19] <bjsnider> a custom linux kernel that only supports your hardware, which is a challenge to roll, can be quicker than the generic one we use in ubuntu
[13:20] <mzz> dealing with things at the kernel level mostly isn't my idea of fun
[13:20] <mzz> also, customizing a kernel for your hardware is overrated
[13:20] <bjsnider> mzz, remind me to recommend you for the kernel team
[13:20] <mzz> the boot system's smart enough to simply not load most modules that wouldn't do anything on your system.
[13:21] <mzz> bjsnider: background: I'm also running gentoo, where I do build my own kernel (and spend way too much time making the thing as small as I can get away with)
[13:21] <bjsnider> mzz, how small does it end up being?
[13:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[13:22] <mzz> bjsnider: currently a 2.2M kernel and a 1.2M initrd for a pretty splash screen and lvm.
[13:22] <G_A_C> bjsnider: usually small enough to contain all bar one of your required modules/drivers, which you won't realise for several weeks ;)
[13:22] <alankila> the modules themselves imply a small overhead, because the dynamic extension points can't be inlined.
[13:22] <G_A_C> been there, done that (quite a few years ago, mine)
[13:23] <bjsnider> G_A_C, i guess thqat's why i've never gotten one to work
[13:23] <alankila> however, modern CPUs have very fast function calls, especially x86-64 fastcall is almost impossibly fast
[13:24] <G_A_C> bjsnider: probably, I have had Gentoo working in the past (around 2005 I think) but the advantages of "learning about the innards of Linux" soon degenerated into just a weekly run of "emerge --sync && emerge -uDv world" and I just gave up on it :)
[13:24] <mzz> yeah, I'm shifting away from gentoo
[13:24] <bjsnider> no love for gentoo here
[13:25] <G_A_C> I still somewhat like the idea of a "rolling" release like Gentoo and FreeBSD (kind of), so I'm playing with ArchLinux in a VM at the moment
[13:25] <G_A_C> but I think source-based distros are a bit overrated, I never saw any speed advantage in it on my hardware
[13:25] <mzz> the speed advantage is hugely overrated, ask any gentoo advanced user or dev
[13:26] <G_A_C> just meant I spent a few hours a week compiling the same stuff I could have had in a few minutes with yum update/aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[13:26] <bjsnider> there probably is, but it's so minute that you wouldn't notice it
[13:26] <G_A_C> well yeah, quite
[13:26] <mzz> there are certain kinds of tinkering it makes easier, because you can rebuild the rest of the stack if you change something in a lower-level library. But you don't end up doing that often, if at all.
[13:27] <G_A_C> I wasn't running it on bad hardware for the time, a P4 with 512 RAM, it may have been more pronounced on a lower spec. But then I'd have spent 10 hours a week compiling stuff instead of 1 ;)
[13:27] <alankila> based on my measurements only a few options matter for GCC and you can't turn them on safely, such as -ffast-math. And of course, even those matter only for some specific number-crunching situations where you know 100% C compliant accuracy is not important.
[13:27] <mzz> and in some cases there'll be a speed *disadvantage*, depending on how good of a job the maintainer of a binary package does.
[13:27] <mzz> alankila: ugh, -ffast-math. Don't get me started.
[13:27] <kaddi__> i've had a huge slowdown in boottime for karmic over the last week. It no takes over 2 minutes to boot...
[13:28] <kaddi__> is there some way to speed things up again?
[13:28] <mzz> kaddi__: perhaps install bootchart and figure out what's taking so long?
[13:28] <alankila> I never saw much benefit between -Os, -O2 or -O3. As long as you have any optimizing at all, it doesn't seem to really matter whether you optimize for size or speed. It's a mixed bag and it all seems to perform about the same in the end.
[13:28] <G_A_C> kaddi__: install bootchart and remove anything that's holding up the boot
[13:28] <joaopinto> we need a debian based rolling binary distro :P
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> kaddi__: read:   dmesg | less     notice the times on the left
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: arch?
[13:28] <G_A_C> joaopinto: would be nice, but a lot of work, that's why I'm playing with Arch out of curiosity
[13:29] <joaopinto> arch is Debian and binary based ?
[13:29] <mzz> alankila: what you can sanely do is tweak flags for specific packages or even files where you can do so safely and can test if it helps. That's actually *harder* on a source distro, where you can't assume everyone building the package uses the same version of gcc to do so, etc.
[13:29] <patdk-lap> yuk, bootchart is java
[13:29] <mzz> patdk-lap: not necessarily
[13:29] <alankila> the new gcc features like -ftree-vectorize pretty much never do anything substantial because C sucks and nobody flags all their pointers with restrict keyword which is required for that thing to really vectorize anything that matters.
[13:29] <mzz> patdk-lap: if you --no-install-recommends it and manually install pybootchart you don't need java
[13:29] <G_A_C> joaopinto: no, it's not debian based. it is based around prebuilt binary packages though, rather than compiling everything from source
[13:30] <mzz> alankila: death to c! Let's all switch to, um, I dunno :)
[13:30] <G_A_C> mzz: the feature removal was nice, I agree
[13:30] <joaopinto> ok, still would prefer debian, to reuse Debian/Ubuntu work
[13:30] <mzz> G_A_C: ?
[13:30] <G_A_C> but not nice enough for me to run Gentoo over Ubuntu/other binary distro, IMO
[13:30] <G_A_C> I mean per-package USE flags etc
[13:30] <G_A_C> if I don't want X support in a package I can remove it, that sort of thing
[13:30] <mzz> I've done the feature removal thing to run linux on a *really* old laptop (most relevant spec: 48M of ram).
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: if you like emaerge you can use apt-build
[13:31] <ripps> As someone that used to use gentoo, ubuntu works very nicely and is very fast.
[13:31] <bjsnider> alankila, what about flags that might take better advantage of multicore cpus?
[13:31] <alankila> finally, C++'s new operator seems to have no way to allocate aligned memory suitable for using with SSE instructions, so it's really a double-fail. Not only is there not enough metadata for compiler to reason about correct optimizations, it will have to live with unaligned memory as well. So GCC can't make use of SSE / SSE2 except in trivial ways.
[13:31] <patdk-lap> hmm, I really wish apt could download from the closest server, isntead of the first one
[13:31] <mzz> but that's also overrated: where relevant ubuntu builds more than one version of a package, and if you don't like any of them you can build your own (yay ppas)
[13:31] <G_A_C> ActionParsnip: I'm perfectly happy with binaries, but useful to know :)
[13:31] <alankila> bjsnider: I'm not familiar with such flags.
[13:31] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, it can, as long you set it up :P
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: its exactly the same :)
[13:31] <bjsnider> alankila, there aren't any?
[13:32] <alankila> bjsnider: none that I could identify as such.
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> G_A_C: excpet instead of cflags theres a simpler optomisation option
[13:32] <mzz> bjsnider: taking advantage of more cores is usually an actual code-level thing, not a compiler flags thing
[13:32] <bjsnider> what about sse4? is that automatically taken advantage of?
[13:32] <mzz> patdk-lap: what do you mean? You can just pick an appropriate mirror in sources.list
[13:33] <patdk-lap> mzz, ya, that works, till I'm not home and it changes
[13:33] <mzz> ah
[13:33] <patdk-lap> I don't want to pick everytime I go to a hotel
[13:33] <mzz> patdk-lap: hmm, I wonder if you could have multiple sources.list files, with networkmanager swapping them around based on your location.
[13:33] <patdk-lap> sounds good :)
[13:33] <alankila> Sadly, I don't know what is in SSE4. The reality here is that the compiler does not, mostly, have sufficient metadata available to reason when some unusual SIMD instructions could be used. So they don't get used by automatic code generation, you have to use the intrinsics or assembly to use them.
[13:34] <mzz> (that could be useful if you move between a handful of locations)
[13:34] <mzz> (so you wouldn't have to measure mirror speed every time you move)
[13:34] <patdk-lap> I have a local mirror at home, and it perfers that even when i'm not local :(
[13:34] <patdk-lap> my main issue :)
[13:34] <mzz> libraries like pixman and certain media playback libraries know how to make use of sse and friends if they're available
[13:35] <mzz> patdk-lap: yeah, I'm going to run into that (I have a local apt-cacher-ng proxy on my lan)
[13:35] <patdk-lap> setup a local mirror for all the netbased installing and updated I started doing a year ago
[13:35] <alankila> mzz: yes. It all works by hand-crafted assembly and probably cpuid capabilities detection. I haven't looked too closely into pixman but I saw it has blitting loops that are based on mmx and probably sse, too
[13:35] <mzz> patdk-lap: I may end up hacking up something like the automatic switch I just mentioned. Will have to see.
[13:36] <mzz> alankila: I don't know how many variations it has, but it has a couple, and I'm pretty sure it detects which it can use at startup.
[13:36] <alankila> it's a real bitch to detect at runtime whether a capability is available and then switch implementations to use them. It's easier if you can just compile support for something, though.
[13:36] <patdk-lap> mzz, I can only think of one issue with that, is the apt rebuilding it's database each location change could take alittle bit of time/cpu
[13:36]  * BluesKaj wonders if this archecture and cpu discussion is really relavent to ubuntu/kubuntu
[13:36] <mzz> alankila: they're also a bitch to test, since you actually need old hardware to make sure your non-sse codepaths still work.
[13:36] <kaddi__> ActionParsnip: that's my output: http://pastebin.com/f46bc79c8 There isn't really a "huge jump" in there. It takes 5 seconds to  load the intel stuff, 5 seconds to load wifii, etc... it sums up
[13:37] <mzz> BluesKaj: yeah, sorry, I'll shut up
[13:37] <mzz> patdk-lap: well, apt-cacher-ng is set up as a proxy here, so apt wouldn't really mind
[13:37] <patdk-lap> yep, I dunno, I didn't see apt-cacher-ng when I was setting this up
[13:38] <patdk-lap> and would have to look at it, wonder if it will solve my net-install issues
[13:38] <mzz> urgh, power lossage about to happen
[13:38] <BluesKaj> patdk-lap, alankila , mzz , it's intimidating to those who prolly have relavent to karmic question , if you know whay i mean
[13:38] <patdk-lap> I mainly setup a local mirror cause that was the only way I could do pxe boot net installs
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> kaddi__: then you need to work out some boot options or settings to reduce it
[13:38] <patdk-lap> BluesKaj, I have karmic questions, none have been able to answer, so :)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> patdk-lap, no reason to fill the text chat with musings that aren't tho
[13:39] <patdk-lap> sure it is, apt-get is annoying me in karmic :)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> try aptitude :)
[13:40] <patdk-lap> I hate aptitude text gui
[13:40] <BluesKaj> aptitude has a gui ?
[13:41] <patdk-lap> tui
[13:41] <patdk-lap> that whole menu selection thing
[13:41] <G_A_C> it has a TUI BluesKaj, takes a bit of getting used to though :)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ok , well i prefer it to apt-get due (from i've been told ) it's superior handling of required dependencies
[13:42]  * mzz hasn't really noticed apt-get getting things wrong
[13:43] <G_A_C> I think aptitude does a better job of marking dependencies as deps, and cleaning them up again if you remove the package which installed them (and it's the only dependent package)
[13:43] <G_A_C> but I read that once a few years ago and have just used aptitude ever since, whether that's still the case, I don't know
[13:43] <mzz> less so, afaict.
[13:43] <mzz> apt-get has an autoremove
[13:43] <patdk-lap> I just use apt-get cause I only ever install stuff, and never remove
[13:44] <BluesKaj> G_A_C, right , I was told however that apt-get has caught up lately in terms od orphaned packages
[13:44] <BluesKaj> of
[13:44] <patdk-lap> that or if really lazy (and on a desktop system) the gui pkg manager
[13:44] <bjsnider> doesn't aptitude automatically install recommended packages?
[13:44] <G_A_C> not that I've seen, bjsnider
[13:44] <mzz> both apt-get and aptitude are configured to do that by default.
[13:44] <patdk-lap> not recommened
[13:44] <G_A_C> it just lists them as recommended so you are aware of them
[13:45] <mzz> well, apt-get is, and I'm pretty sure aptitude also is.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> I like to use the package manager as a reference for supported drivers for HW , it's handy
[13:45] <mzz> "suggested" packages aren't, but "recommended" ones are.
[13:45] <bjsnider> apt-get doesn't install recommended stuff, it just lists it
[13:45] <BluesKaj> i still use synaptic and adept
[13:45] <patdk-lap> ya, suggested is listed as recommened though
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> if its a dep of an app it will be installed
[13:47] <mzz> bjsnider: apt-get installs recommended stuff by default on this system as well as my previous (jaunty) install
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> whats the definition of a "recommended" package/
[13:47] <sveinung> does anyone know where I could ask for help about a KMS-problem (huge fonts) I got after I upgraded to Karmic?
[13:47] <gh0zt> ohhhh man freenx is so amazing
[13:47] <gh0zt> thank you
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ive seen aptitude list recommended pkges without installing
[13:48] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, a recommended package is one that is listed as such in the control file
[13:48] <mzz> iirc this is configurable, but I don't recall having to choose at install time.
[13:48] <janhaj> hi.. i have HP Compaq 6735s (ATI HD3200) with installed ubuntu 9.10 RC.. i am running compiz fine.. but after a using computer, glxgears,video, xmoto starts blink and glxgears write to the terminal this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/302787/ . Without compiz is computer slowler than with compiz.. what can i do for troublefree running compiz?
[13:48] <mzz> so I'm not sure what's up with you getting different results.
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: like a dependancy?
[13:48] <rohan> hi.. any leaked mirrors for ubuntu yet? ;)
[13:48] <mzz> ActionParsnip: yep, but a "soft" one.
[13:48] <patdk-lap> ActionParsnip, no, like if you install mailutils, it recommeneds exim, and installs exim
[13:49] <mzz> ActionParsnip: something like "the package will work better if you install this too, but it'll run without it."
[13:49] <patdk-lap> but what if I wanted postfix instead, or something even lighter
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> i see
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> didnt know any of that
[13:49] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, if you look at a control file, there will be a "depends" line and also an optional "recommends" line.
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: mzz: thanks guys, will look into it
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> suprised such a thing exists in ubuntu
[13:50] <mzz> ActionParsnip: afaict the order is "depends" (won't run without it), "recommends" (see above), "suggests" (even softer, not pulled in by default)
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> seems ubuntu likes removing choice from the user in my experience
[13:50] <mzz> whether or not "recommends" is pulled in by default probably depends on which frontend you use and how you configure it.
[13:50] <patdk-lap> recommends is like the, you need this software for it to work, but other software will also work
[13:51] <mzz> patdk-lap: not exactly
[13:51] <bjsnider> you can see all of this in synaptic if you look at a package's properties
[13:51] <patdk-lap> mzz, well, I have only had two cases where I didn't want the recomended :)
[13:51] <patdk-lap> bjsnider, ya, if I wasn't on a server without X :)
[13:51] <mzz> patdk-lap: first example that comes to mind: bootchart recommends bootchart-java or pybootchartgui, but it'll run without either (if you want to process the generated dump on a different system for example)
[13:51] <bjsnider> also, look on packages.ubuntu.com and it will show these details
[13:52] <Veinor> netbook-launcher is incredibly slow and compiz is crashing on update
[13:52] <Veinor> er, on launch
[13:52] <patdk-lap> mzz, I have the issue with mailutils, to get the mail command
[13:52] <Veinor> compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[13:52] <janhaj> How can i repair this? "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate."?
[13:53] <Veinor> on an eee 1005ha (intel 945GME)
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: you need to add refresh rates to xorg.conf
[13:53] <mzz> patdk-lap: debian-policy says "should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations"
[13:53] <mzz> janhaj: that's a feature
[13:53] <alankila> janhaj: what exactly you want to change about that? Are you trying to use glxgears to measure performance?
[13:53] <janhaj> ActionParsnip: how?
[13:53] <patdk-lap> heh, I don't believe exim should be found with mailutils :) but my thought
[13:54] <mzz> janhaj: what are you actually trying to accomplish/fix? Is there a word in that message that's a dirty word in your native language? :)
[13:54] <janhaj> alankila: when i see this message, video is flashing.. when it isn't show, video is ok..
[13:54] <mzz> janhaj: define "flashing"
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: i can how you mine if you wish. I use a 17" CRT
[13:55] <mzz> janhaj: I'm going to wildly guess the message is from compiz or the like, and you're using a driver that can't do xv while compiz runs properly.
[13:55] <janhaj> please wait, i make a video..
[13:55] <patdk-lap> mzz, oh wait, it wasn't mailutils, it was smartmontools requires mailutils
[13:55] <patdk-lap> and I didn't want mailutils, I just wanted smartctl to check my drives
[13:55] <patdk-lap> mailutils depends on exim :(
[13:55] <mzz> patdk-lap: yeah, that's one case where I'd consider --no-install-recommends (on smartmontools)
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> janhaj: http://pastebin.com/f398096a4
[13:56] <NerveClasp> I have a built-in realtek HD sound card on my notebook. the problem is that I cannot direct sound from my microphone to my speakers.. I can record it and then listen, microphone works well, but I can't "hear" the microphone directly through the speakers... any suggestions?
[13:57] <alankila> NerveClasp: normally people consider that a feature. The echo from speaker-to-microphone loop is undesirable. Some recording software can do live playback of recording, like audacity. Maybe you could live with that?
[13:58] <Jimmio> Well all, I'm diving into Ubuntu 9.10. See you all on the other side!
[13:58] <alankila> there used to be an alsamixer setting that determines if the analog capture is mixed to the output, it's called "analog capture mix". But in brave pulseaudio world, I'm not sure if you are allowed to toggle all these settings anymore.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Feedback can be so fun in speakers/mics :)
[13:59] <om26er> what will happen to #ubuntu+1 after release?
[13:59] <G_A_C> we start talking about Lucid :)
[13:59] <patdk-lap> everyone will upgrade to lucid :)
[13:59] <mzz> om26er: we'll all be force-moved to #ubuntu, #ubuntu force-moved to #ubuntu-1, etc? :)
[14:00] <BluesKaj> om26er, it will be here for those brave souls who want to install 10.04
[14:00] <NerveClasp> alankila: I'll try.. but can't I do this without audacity? in 9.04 I could turn on/off the sound from microphone. there is even a slider to controll wollume of micro in 9.10, but the microphone is silent. no matter whether I use alsa, oss, or PulseAudio..
[14:00] <janhaj> here is the video of my glxgears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNuF9I_j0a4
[14:01] <mzz> NerveClasp: well, I'd expect that to be off by default, as mentioned above. I'm not sure if the pulse-based gnome-volume-control has a convenient way to turn it on temporarily.
[14:01] <alankila> NerveClasp: well, try to use alsamixer to tweak settings. I still don't understand why you want to do this, though.
[14:01] <topyli> om26er, we will all stay hear and switch from saying "is it out yet?" to saying "are lucid repos open yet?"
[14:01] <topyli> s/hear/here/
[14:02] <mzz> janhaj: are you running compiz? Does the flashing happen if you run a non-compositing wm (turn off desktop effects)?
[14:02] <Veinor> every time I try to launch compiz I get "compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[14:02] <alankila> oh yeah and try to use alsamixer -V all so you can see capture-related settings. The default shows only playback-related settings.
[14:02] <mzz> Veinor: pastebin Xorg.0.log, and make sure you're running the wrapper script, not compiz.real directly
[14:02] <alankila> The problem with the modern world is that pulseaudio will probably overwrite your favorite settings with the defaults it looks up from its hardware databases at every restart, so you'll have to get used to changing this if you find something that works
[14:02] <NerveClasp> alankila: for example to speak on Skype.. I really want to hear myself in headphones while communicating
[14:02] <bjsnider> i tried to use alsamixer to alter settings but nothing actually changed
[14:03] <mzz> NerveClasp: I'd look for a skype-specific toggle for that
[14:03] <Veinor> I'm running fusion-icon; this worked fine before I updated
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> NerveClasp:  that would be annoying if its like 2 sec delayed.. :)
[14:03] <alankila> NerveClasp: okay. That's a good use case. Ideally, skype would just support that usage.
[14:03] <mzz> NerveClasp: also, skype is exactly something where I wouldn't want this, except possibly when setting up levels initially :)
[14:03] <janhaj> mzz: when i turn off compiz, a video is not flashing, but when i want move for example nautilus, it cuts.. :/ with compiz it is fluently..
[14:03] <alankila> Note that most people who don't use headphones absolutely don't want the echo loop.
[14:03] <Veinor> mzz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:04] <mzz> janhaj: it's possible your driver simply doesn't support running compiz and other opengl apps at the same time properly
[14:04] <mzz> Veinor: that's the one
[14:04] <bjsnider> janhaj, what kind of graphics card?
[14:04] <mzz> alankila: I do use headphones and I don't think I want that loop
[14:04] <janhaj> mzz: i am running only gnome-terminal, nautilus and glxgears..
[14:04] <mzz> janhaj: that doesn't change your video card drivers
[14:05]  * mzz needs to stop replying to people like this, it's driving him nuts
[14:05] <Veinor> http://pastebin.com/m5601411
[14:05] <janhaj> bjsnider: integrated ATI HD 3200
[14:05] <bjsnider> that's an awesome card with a great driver
[14:05] <bjsnider> if you use windows
[14:05] <NerveClasp> thank you all for advises.. I'll try something out now with realtek. but I have even worse problem: I can't record sound from my usb creative xmod soundcard((( levels of microphone just do not "jump"
[14:05] <janhaj> mzz: so why sometimes compiz works fine and after while doesn't?
[14:06] <thiebaude> janhaj: what graphics card do you have?
[14:06] <janhaj> thiebaude: integrated ATI HD 3200
[14:06] <thiebaude> ok
[14:06] <thiebaude> janhaj: my bad i seen that earlier
[14:07] <mzz> janhaj: investigate logfiles, ask if others with similar hardware have similar problems, actually describe what problem you're having, since so far you've listed about three half-problems
[14:07] <mzz> Veinor: looks healthy at a glance, can you pastebin the output from "glxinfo" too?
[14:08] <Veinor> also, netbook-launcher is running really, really slow, don't know if that's related
[14:08]  * Blues-Man prints "Hello\n";
[14:08]  * cybersplice returns void.
[14:08] <bjsnider> janhaj, you have a choice between at least 3 drivers, radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx. one of them might not have that problem (but they will all have their bugs)
[14:09] <Veinor> mzz: http://pastebin.com/m3f6c7aa1
[14:09] <Veinor> like I said, this only happened after I ran an update a few days ago
[14:09] <janhaj> bjsnider: i install drivers, what can i see in jockey.. fglrx works, but it has a low performance..
[14:09] <janhaj> bjsnider: and third drivers i don't know
[14:10] <tormod> Veinor: you are using x-updates PPA?
[14:10] <mzz> Veinor: bah, can you try that again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo, and make sure you get stderr pastebinned too?
[14:10] <bjsnider> janhaj, so you're using fglrx right now?
[14:10] <NerveClasp> any suggestions why creative usb soundcard refuses to record the sound? I had no problems in Windows half year ago. all this time I haven't had an inspiration to record some song. and now, when I do, I have no possibility((
[14:10] <mzz> Veinor: I wouldn't expect to get "Software Rasterizer" here
[14:10] <janhaj> bjsnider: no, i am using proprietary drivers from jockey
[14:10] <Veinor> tormod: oh yeah, forgot about that
[14:10] <mzz> janhaj: those are fglrx
[14:11] <bjsnider> janhaj, right, which is fglrx. way to support them customers, ati
[14:11] <tormod> janhaj: radeon in karmic does not have 3D hw acceleration (DRI) for your card, but you can try the xorg-edgers PPA
[14:11] <mzz> heh
[14:11] <mzz> janhaj: I don't know off the top of my head which generation that card is, but the "radeon" driver is frequently actually better than the proprietary one now, especially in compiz
[14:11] <tormod> bjsnider: ati is working hard on them opensource drivers
[14:12] <mzz> I don't know if exactly ati is working on them, but people definitely are
[14:12] <bjsnider> tormod, which one? it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers
[14:12] <mzz> janhaj: ah, listen to tormod, he apparently does know what card thatis
[14:12] <janhaj> bjsnider: so in jaunty package xorg-driver-fglrx is in the karmic koala in jockey right?
[14:12] <tormod> Veinor there is a bug in 7.6 branch and trunk ATM, fd.o 24734
[14:13] <Veinor> ah
[14:13] <bjsnider> janhaj, that's what you're using
[14:13] <Veinor> http://pastebin.com/m41b5430c
[14:13] <Veinor> how can I get off the PPA then?~
[14:13] <janhaj> bjsnider: ok..
[14:13] <tormod> Veinor: you can revert from a ppa with ppa-purge
[14:13] <janhaj> tormod: so do you know, how can i run compiz properly without flashing all the time?
[14:14] <bjsnider> janhaj, if you can believe it, you're using the driver that ati has created to support their customers
[14:14] <Veinor> ppa-purge
[14:14] <bjsnider> sorry, that should have been "support" in quotes
[14:14] <janhaj> bjsnider: i believe, i only don't know that..
[14:14] <tormod> bjsnider: ati employs people working on mesa and radeon
[14:15] <mzz> especially somewhat older radeons work pretty well using the opensource "radeon" driver.
[14:15] <Veinor> ah, found it
[14:15] <mzz> I'm not sure if jockey is properly aware of that yet.
[14:15] <patdk-lap> I thought ati was gone, and it's all amd for awhile now
[14:15] <bjsnider> tormod, not dave airlie. red hat employs him
[14:15] <bjsnider> i don't know who employs alex deucher
[14:15] <tormod> bjsnider: I am not saying they are employing everybody working on Xorg :)
[14:16] <tormod> alex works for ati (or AMD if you want)
[14:16] <Veinor> tormod: wait, where can I get ppa-purge?
[14:16] <Veinor> I'm on the launchpad site but can't find a download link
[14:17] <mzz> Veinor: iirc the x-updates description links to it
[14:17] <mzz> but I lied
[14:18] <Veinor> hm, looks like I have to check it out with bzr
[14:18] <mzz> Veinor: I'd just do it by hand: remove the ppa from sources.list, apt-get update, reinstall mesa (apt-get upgrade might suffice)
[14:18] <tormod> Veinor: it is in the xorg-edgers ppa
[14:18] <tormod> Veinor: just get the .deb from there
[14:19] <janhaj> bjsnider: so what do you recommend me to do?
[14:19] <Veinor> ppa-purge isn't working, which package would I need to reinstall manually?
[14:20] <bjsnider> janhaj, research the problem on the web and see if there's a solution. there probably isn't
[14:21] <mzz> Veinor: I'd expect that to be just the installed packages with "mesa" in their name (see something like "dpkg -l '*mesa*'|grep ^ii")
[14:21] <Veinor> ah, thanks
[14:22] <mrwes> where can I change my GDM login theme ? did they move that?
[14:23] <orangey> Anyone here tried Wave by chance?
[14:24] <mrwes> hrmm
[14:24] <Veinor> orangey: yeah, use chromium
[14:24] <tormod> veinor what do you mean "isn't working" ?
[14:25] <mzz> mrwes: can't conveniently.
[14:25] <Veinor> I fixed it.
[14:25] <Veinor> er, fixed ppa-purge
[14:25] <mrwes> mzz, Uh? they took that out? Used to be under System | Admin | Login Window
[14:26] <tormod> veinor, what you did you fix in ppa-purge?
[14:26] <mzz> mrwes: the gdm you're running is a rewrite, which can't even use the old themes you're used to. You can change the gtk theme it uses, but I'm pretty sure there's no ui for that.
[14:26] <Veinor> oh, I was doing it wrong
[14:26] <mrwes> wow
[14:26] <Veinor> Cause I had already removed the ppa because I figured that was the problem, so I had to re-add it and apt-get update.
[14:26] <mrwes> I can live with it :)
[14:26] <orangey> Veinor: what's chromium?
[14:27] <Veinor> chromium is google chrome for linux, basically. It's got a better javascript engine, so it's useful for ajax-y web apps
[14:27] <Veinor> such as, oh, gmail, google reader, and google wave
[14:28] <mrwes> not to bitch, but the RC seems alittle sluggish to me :(
[14:29] <Veinor> chromium is also the name of a game, so that's really annoying
[14:32] <orangey> Veinor: do you know where I can find an invite?
[14:33] <Veinor> for wave? sorry
[14:33] <Veinor> gave all mine out already :(
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Veinor, that's why the linux version of chrome is called "chromium-browser"
[14:33] <Veinor> yeah.
[14:33] <Veinor> I was just saying how it's kind of funny.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> dunno why itsn't just chromelinux or some such
[14:34] <NerveClasp> anybody here had a problem with sound recording from a usb-soundcard?
[14:34] <mzz> NerveClasp: did that last week, worked
[14:36] <NerveClasp> I have a Creative Xmod Digital stereo (IEC958)
[14:36] <NerveClasp> Model no sb0720
[14:36] <mzz> but I haven't figured out what the right way to do it in a pulse world is, so I think I temporarily suspended pulse
[14:37] <mzz> that probably wasn't really necessary, but I was in a hurry and already knew how stuff works without pulse present
[14:37] <NerveClasp> so I should delete pulse audio?
[14:37] <mzz> so I just suspended pulse for a while and used audacity (pointing it at the right card in its preferences)
[14:37] <mzz> no
[14:37] <mzz> I just ran something like "pasuspender sleep 1d" (which is a silly hack)
[14:38] <NerveClasp> oh, I got it)
[14:38] <mzz> again, chances are that's not really necessary, I was just in a hurry and pulse is still largely an unknown to me.
[14:38] <mzz> so I disabled it to simplify matters to only software I'm somewhat familiar with.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yes, some outboard and pci soundcards aren't working well with PA , I dropped it due to it jsut being another layer for the audio to loop thru and the sound was choppy and distorted..alsa does the job just fine for my setup
[14:39] <mzz> and I had a fairly convoluted setup going.
[14:39] <NerveClasp> thanks
[14:40] <mzz> (laptop builtin sound unused, one external usb<->midi "soundcard" with a keyboard hooked up, one creative usb soundcard, jackd talking to those two, and *another* usb soundcard for audacity to record from :)
[14:51]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[14:52] <tarzan> when i disable my synaptics touchpad using an acpi event, /etc/acpi/asus-touchpad.sh is executed. however after i press a key syndaemon re-enables the touchpad. is this normal?
[14:52] <huwenfeng> 9.10 is coming! soon!
[14:53] <huwenfeng> i hope it will be a success!
[14:54] <petsounds> hi. how can i turning off wi-fi? thank you
[14:56] <tarzan> petsounds: just rip the wifi card out and beat it repeatedly with a hammer
[14:57] <tarzan> no seriously, right-click on the network manager icon in the top bar and disable wireless networks should do it for most cards i guess
[14:58] <petsounds> tarzan : no options like u mentions
[14:58] <petsounds> and thats why im asking
[15:00] <BluesKaj> topbar ? most refer to it as the panel
[15:01] <petsounds> im using eee pc 1000he and i need to turn off wifi to save my battery life cos right now im using ethernet
[15:04] <Memphisau> is there a wireless switch on the unit itself?
[15:04] <Memphisau> for many laptop's a combination of 2 keys; usually Fn+F2
[15:05] <Memphisau> Fn can usually be found in bottom left of keyboard
[15:05] <petsounds> sadly fn+f2 is not working
[15:05] <Memphisau> not sure how you'd convince it to turn off then
[15:05] <tarzan> petsounds: which wifi card do you have?
[15:05] <Memphisau> short of perhaps unloading the module it uses
[15:06] <brianV> hi all. Every time I try to stop MySQL on Ubuntu, it fails, and I get the following message in my syslog:
[15:06] <brianV> Oct 27 11:05:20 brian-desktop kernel: [ 7348.911765] type=1503 audit(1256655920.058:62): operation="open" pid=4530 parent=4529 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[15:06] <brianV> any idea why?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Memphisau, try the power settings
[15:06] <petsounds> tarzan : im not really sure but im using eee pc 1000he
[15:07] <tarzan> petsounds: do a pastebin of lspci and lsusb please
[15:07] <BluesKaj> er sorry petsounds , power settings
[15:07] <petsounds> tarzan : and how?
[15:08] <petsounds> BluesKaj : power management? no options for wifi there's only about AC Power and battery power :9
[15:08] <tarzan> open a terminal, type lspci <enter>, open pastebin.com, copy text to pastebin.com, type lsusb <enter>, copy text to pastebin.com, click send on pastebin.com, copy the url, paste it here
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ok, some laptops have the wifi module linked to power management
[15:10] <petsounds> tarzan : http://pastebin.com/m7547f9bb
[15:11] <BluesKaj> petsounds, which network manager ?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> isn't there an option to use ethernet with wifi disabled in network manager?
[15:12] <petsounds> BluesKaj : auto eth0
[15:12] <tarzan> petsounds: are you sure your wireless is on / your wireless card is ok?
[15:12] <om26er1> any develpopment new about LUBI.
[15:13] <petsounds> tarzan : yes the wifi lights is on.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> that's normally the way it works , the wifi is turned off when ethernet is connected'
[15:13] <BluesKaj> that just the internet light
[15:14] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I've just installed Karmic on a system with LVM, and all LVM partitions appears individually in Nautilus. Is there a way to desactivate that?
[15:14] <sunshinepants> anyone have any issues with their numlock recently?  as in not working within a gnome session?
[15:15] <tarzan> sunshinepants: works here
[15:15] <sunshinepants> nuts
[15:15] <om26er1> sunshinepants: works fine
[15:15] <graingert> are the ubuntu partner repositories on karmic down?
[15:16] <petsounds> BluesKaj : and how can i enabling fn+f2 key? i read on the web that i need to change the kernel into sth like array kernel. and i dont want to.
[15:18] <Memphisau> hey, does anyone know why my /dev/usb directory isn't being creating. also lsusb turns up nothing beyond the root usb hubs, despite the fact I am using my USB mouse on it fine
[15:19] <graingert> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.gpg  Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (91.189.90.142), connection timed out
[15:23] <BluesKaj> petsounds, I think it's just your internet connection light that you are thinking is the wifi light , it works on both
[15:24] <lucamm> anyone installed  ubuntu-netbook en karmic?
[15:24] <lucamm> hi
[15:24] <Jeruvy> lucamm: just ask your question :)
[15:25] <om26er1> lucamm: yes ask the q
[15:25] <petsounds> BluesKaj : ok i see and one more thing java applets is freezing, already post the question yesterday but have no answer, maybe u can help?
[15:25] <lucamm> how uninstall this package?
[15:26] <draconis> jure: use volwheel or an alternate mixer app
[15:26] <om26er1> jure: yes?
[15:26] <lucamm> becouse i use compiz
[15:26] <BluesKaj> petsounds, make sure you have (k)ubuntu-restricted-extras installed , dunno if you are gnome or kde
[15:27] <Jeruvy> lucamm: 'sudo apt-get remove <package>'
[15:27] <draconis> jure: I thought the issue was not having a volume applet
[15:27] <lucamm> and gtk-window-decorator no functionally
[15:27] <om26er1> i have a problem, installing ubuntu-restricted-extras install ttf-msfonts-installer and that makes the fonts of google chrome ugly
[15:27] <blueglasses> anyone knows if boxee has repositories for karmic?
[15:27] <lucamm> yes i unistall this package
[15:27] <jure> draconis, om26er1: yes, that's the issue
[15:27] <lucamm> but compiz is buggy :S
[15:28] <om26er1> lucamm: no its not
[15:28] <steveccc> hi all - is 9.10 a dramatic improvement over the last version or just a little bit of tidying and polish?
[15:28] <EagleScreen> many improvements for me
[15:28] <petsounds> im on ubuntu NBR karmic, i already install ubuntu restricted extras and install sun-java6-plugin like it said on the web. everytime i wanna upload photos on facebook/myspace there's only grey box.
[15:29] <szilvi> hi :)
[15:29] <arthas_dk> anyone knows about the improvements of DeviceKit?
[15:29] <EagleScreen> petsounds: using amd64?
[15:29] <steveccc> just working out whether worth upgrading or wait for the next long life version
[15:29] <szilvi> could anyone help me apply a .patch?
[15:29] <draconis> well, gdm just regressed in features
[15:29] <om26er1> steveccc: i say its far improved for acer aspire one
[15:29] <petsounds> BluesKaj : im on ubuntu NBR karmic, i already install ubuntu restricted extras and install sun-java6-plugin like it said on the web. everytime i wanna upload photos on facebook/myspace there's only grey box.
[15:29] <lucamm> desktop-switcher where is in karmic???
[15:29] <lucamm> ?
[15:29] <Italian_Plumber> what are the minimum specs for karmic?
[15:29] <steveccc> om26er1: when you say that do you mean interface or more speel
[15:29] <steveccc> speed even
[15:29] <blueglasses> !karmic
[15:29] <petsounds> EagleScreen : no, intel atom.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> petsounds, how did you install java , from the repos or source
[15:29] <mbeierl> draconis: I tend to agree about feature regression.  WHat are you hseeing
[15:30] <om26er1> steveccc: better drivers and better interface as compiz works great even no problem with video playback, faster boot, responsive apps
[15:30] <szilvi> did anyone get around the cursor theme issue?
[15:30] <szilvi> i have compiz installed and I think it's not letting me change the theme
[15:30] <petsounds> BluesKaj : from the repos. and i test sudo-apt-get install sun-java6-jre. it has the newest version
[15:31] <om26er1> petsounds: which browser
[15:31] <draconis> mbeierl: well, all features regressed are due to gnome
[15:31] <blueglasses> steveccc, here karmic takes more time to boot than jaunty
[15:31] <petsounds> om26er1 : from firefox, opera, to chrome. thats all the same :(
[15:31] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu 9.10 is great
[15:32] <mbeierl> draconis: ah.  sorry - I was thinking primarily of gdm greeter which has issues with twinview displays now...
[15:32] <jure> draconis, i have two 9.10 installations - one's a standard desktop, the other a netbook remix. there IS a volume applet on the netbook remix version, so why would i settle with an alternative for the desktop version?
[15:32] <szilvi> does anyone have chrome installed on ubuntu? where can i get it?
[15:32] <blueglasses> have you check out the new gnome?
[15:32] <om26er1> petsounds: which page you are trying to open
[15:32] <blueglasses> szilvi, you can get it from google repositories or medibuntu
[15:32] <szilvi> thx
[15:33] <draconis> mbeierl: well, I just switched to XDM, which is far more usable
[15:33] <joaopinto> there is a ppa for chrome, you don't need medibuntu
[15:33] <szilvi> and about compiz not letting me change the cursor theme... anyone knows a workaround?
[15:33] <petsounds> om26er1 : uploading photos on facebook and myspace. and yesterday someone from the channel give me a link which i forgot. i think it's for testing java. and firefox are freezing when i open that site
[15:33] <om26er1> szilvi: change the cursor theme and then reboot and see it will change
[15:34] <draconis> jure: well, settle with an alternative because it's BETTER. Gnome is not infallible law
[15:34] <Memphisau> karmic seems to be fairly broken for me
[15:34] <Memphisau> USB isn't working properly currently
[15:34] <draconis> they can't write a DM, they can't write a volume manager...
[15:34] <blueglasses> anyone using google wave here?
[15:34] <Memphisau> but that may be a result of the multiple upgrades i've done to get it from hardy->intrepid->jaunty and most recently to karmic
[15:35] <szilvi> it didn't
[15:35] <szilvi> i tried that already
[15:35] <BluesKaj> petsounds, try sun-java6-bin
[15:35] <szilvi> :(
[15:36] <petsounds> BluesKaj : sun-java6-bin is already the newest version. sun-java6-bin set to manually installed.
[15:36] <jure> draconis, i get your point, all i'm saying is - if it works on one computer, why can't it work on the other, if the version number is the same? maybe some packages were removed? i remember apt removing empathy after an update and it reinstalled just fine. maybe it removed some packages related to sound this time?
[15:37] <Memphisau> might give amd64 a go on this trouble computer, reinstall
[15:37] <Memphisau> not too much to lose I guess
[15:37] <draconis> jure: are you running Pulseaudio?
[15:37] <jure> draconis, how would i know that?
[15:37] <draconis> jure: ps aux|grep pulse
[15:38] <mbeierl> jure: sorry - to which volume control are you referring, as on my karmic laptop (gnome, 64bit) there is a volume control widget (or applet or?) in the notification area the allows me to control the volume
[15:38] <jure> draconis: then i am running it, yes.
[15:38] <jure> mbeierl. i'm referring to exactly that volume control.
[15:38] <mbeierl> and your is missing on ubuntu gnome, but not from nbr
[15:39] <jure> yes, exactly.
[15:39] <jure> and so are sound preferences.
[15:39] <EagleScreen> petsounds: do you have sun-java6-plugin?
[15:39] <draconis> well, gnome-volume-control should work. the mixer applet doesn't
[15:40] <petsounds> EagleScreen : yes
[15:40]  * Hillshum thinks that Karmic is having trouble properly scaling his cpu to manage haet
[15:40] <Hillshum> *heat
[15:41] <jure> draconis, mbeierl: ah. i removed gnome-media. because i wanted to remove the sound recorder, and it took the rest with it. that's it.
[15:41] <jure> you know, i really hate these all-or-nothing packages.
[15:41] <steveccc> whats the best virtual machine for 9.10?
[15:42] <mbeierl> jure: oh!  Ok.  The one thing that I noticed was that the volume control only allowed me to manage the master volume, no double-click to get all the other mixers, and for a moment thought that might have been it...
[15:42] <om26er> irssi looks like a cool client
[15:42] <arthas_dk> Anyone knows about samba+kerberos+ldap integration on this version?
[15:43] <joaopinto> !best | steveccc
[15:43] <szilvi> did someone get chrome installed... native linux chrome?
[15:43] <szilvi> chromium is an emulator (or sthing like that)
[15:43] <joaopinto> szilvi, yes, there's a PPA for it
[15:43] <joaopinto> erm
[15:43] <joaopinto> wait
[15:43] <blueglasses> szilvi, check out this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-chromium-google-chrome-web-browser-in-ubuntu.html
[15:43] <joaopinto> I was talking about google chrome
[15:43] <Hillshum> szilvi: No, Chromium is native
[15:44] <joaopinto> chromium is the native google chrome for linux
[15:44] <szilvi> Run Windows applications like MS Office in Linux
[15:44] <szilvi> CrossOver Chromium makes it possible to use Windows applications such as Microsoft Office, Quicken, and Lotus Notes on Linux.
[15:44] <szilvi> this is the description
[15:44] <joaopinto> szilvi, that's CrossOver Chromium, not Chromium
[15:44] <szilvi> ah.. ok.. sorry :)
[15:45] <Hillshum> And even that's technically not an emulator
[15:45] <arthas_dk> Anyone knows about samba+kerberos+ldap integration on this version?
[15:45] <joaopinto> szilvi, https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:45] <joaopinto> arthas_dk, repeating will not help
[15:46] <slipshot> anyone having any trouble with alsa sound being off at boot in 9.10?
[15:47] <om26er> no
[15:47] <joaopinto> you mean, the mixer getting some sound levels to 0 after reboot ?
[15:47] <slipshot> yeah the sound is off and i have to turn it on and back up
[15:48] <blueglasses> slipshot, I do have trouble, but with sound changes on app start: too loud
[15:48] <joaopinto> I have the issue randomly but only for the mic
[15:48] <joaopinto> sound is not the strongest point of karmic for me :P
[15:48] <slipshot> i tried alsactl store o  but it dont work
[15:48] <om26er> my mic dont work if i change volume
[15:49] <blueglasses> slipshot, some apps, like skype or pidgin, sound gets impossible to set, due to lack of app on config pannel when not making a sound
[15:51] <slipshot> Home directory /home/slipshot not ours. <--- i get that when i try the alsactl store command
[15:52] <mzz> how'd you manage that?
[15:52] <mzz> what does "ls -ld /home/slipshot" give you?
[15:52] <slipshot> i done a install from a ubuntu minimal and added the lxde desktop
[15:53] <om26er> slipshot, so u made lubuntu
[15:53] <cov> So networkmanager is still broken for wpa2 certificate authentication. This really sucks for college students (no more secure wireless). Anyone know anything about what's wrong or if this bug (#447145) is actually getting looked at?
[15:54] <slipshot> drwxr-xr-x 33 slipshot slipshot 4096 2009-10-27 11:35 /home/slipshot
[15:54]  * mzz frowns
[15:54] <mzz> slipshot: I wonder why alsactl is complaining then, unless it's actually running as root
[15:54] <slipshot> i think it is some kinda bug
[15:57] <slipshot> got a clue how to fix it?
[15:57] <mzz> well, I don't run alsactl by hand, and I don't see anything obviously wrong with your homedir.
[15:58] <mzz> my guess is you're actually running it through sudo and it's not liking $HOME not being root's
[16:00] <slipshot> alsactl: save_state:1530: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[16:00] <slipshot> i get that without sudo
[16:08] <Flynsarmy> Trying to install the 9.10 RC...nautilus crashed 80% in but the installers still going.......is this a common issue?
[16:09] <radicaljoe> I just downloaded 9.10 netbook remix.  I can't figure out why  anyone would want a menu that takes up a whole netbook screen.
[16:12] <om26er> radicaljoe, i
[16:12] <mzz> I find myself usually using alt+f2 to start stuff
[16:12] <mzz> (on a regular gnome ubuntu)
[16:14]  * Martyn is miffed
[16:14] <Martyn> we're just a couple days away from the release, and we've got -major- bugs still left in Karmic
[16:14] <om26er> Martyn, all t bugs can never be fixed
[16:14] <ponting> there is a problem in kubuntu 9.1 .beta ..: before copying a file in flash or any media it doesn't ckecks the available space ..and in last..it says can't coppy disc is full..it must be fixed
[16:14] <Martyn> the php zlib bug that affects wordpress (zlib.so isn't found, and there's no gzopen) is going to affect a whole lot of people who use ubuntu-server
[16:15] <Martyn> om26er: Yes, but some bugs .. especially ones affecting major packages (like the glibc error in Jaunty that prevented many people from upgrading the Gimp) should be critical enough to delay releases.
[16:15] <Jimmio> Hey all
[16:16] <Jimmio> Is there a reason "Creating user..." is taking forever>
[16:16] <Jimmio> ?*
[16:16] <Martyn> ponting: I'm afraid that's Working As Designed(tm)
[16:16] <Jimmio> Is it safe to press the Skip button?
[16:16] <mzz> Jimmio: what, during install?
[16:16] <Jimmio> mzz: Yeah, right now.
[16:16] <mzz> Jimmio: that sounds like a bad idea, because without a user how are you going to log in?
[16:16] <Martyn> ponting: It's not as much a "bug" as an "enhancement request"  .. it never checks space before copying.
[16:16] <Jimmio> mzz: Harddrive activity light is flashing repeatedly very quickly.
[16:17]  * mzz wishes people would ask fewer silly questions
[16:17] <Martyn> ponting : Feel free to file it as a blueprint though, and see if you can get some developers behind it.
[16:17] <mzz> Jimmio: I'm assuming you're asking because it actually *is* taking forever, so apparently there's a reason it takes forever
[16:17] <Jimmio> mzz: I skipped stuff in install in an emulator and it did it on reboot.
[16:17] <mzz> Jimmio: you need at least one user account, because the root account is off by default, so without one regular account you can't log in to add accounts later
[16:18] <Jimmio> mzz: I think it's broken though x.x
[16:18] <mzz> Jimmio: and I haven't seen this problem, and would be looking at logs or running a system monitor to see what's taking so long
[16:18] <mzz> call me elitist but I'd expect people in #ubuntu+1 to try that kind of stuff
[16:19] <Jimmio> Where's the logs for the installer? I've never had to look.
[16:19]  * mzz is probably just a bit grumpy for no good reason
[16:19] <mzz> /var/log/installer/ looks pretty promising
[16:20] <Jimmio> It finished.
[16:20] <ponting> Martyn: i thought if  it can be solved.
[16:20] <Jimmio> Ahah!
[16:20] <Jimmio> It's because of me wanting my home dir encrypted!
[16:20] <mzz> that didn't take that long here
[16:21] <Jimmio> It took a long time here... something to do with 256 GB partition?
[16:21] <Jimmio> be right back, all
[16:22] <astrojp> I still can't understand why the terminal will not let me 'Crtl-C' or 'Ctrl-D' out of the terminal without not work without having to forcing (killing) the process. Every since 9.04 it's been that way.
[16:23] <omgxorz> Does anyone have experience with setting up a bluetooth Apple Wireless Keyboard?
[16:24] <frozenfoxx> Okay, I just have a quick question before I get started, does anyone in this room currently feel like giving some advice on Distro choice of 9.10 types for a Eee 1101HA?
[16:24] <AlDoug> I am using Karmic Beta Desktop , and I can't install the LAMP stack. Anyone have any ideas?
[16:24] <frozenfoxx> Nobody in #ubuntu or ##linux wanted to help, so I figured I'd ask if anyone's up to it here before boring you.
[16:25] <Pici> AlDoug: Do you get an error when you try? What command are you using to install?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> frozenfoxx, depends on what your preferences are
[16:26] <AlDoug> sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[16:26] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: Thank you, that's all I ask.
[16:26] <AlDoug> Error 100
[16:27] <Pici> AlDoug: Have you done an apt-get update since installing?
[16:27] <frozenfoxx> The system has that POS GMA500 graphics chip so I understand up front that I'll have to do some working around to get that functional, but I'm wondering if full-blown Ubuntu, Ubuntu NBR, full-blown KUBUNTU, or Kubuntu NBR would offer me the most functionality out of the box
[16:27] <AlDoug> on file 19
[16:27] <hanasaki> any known issues with memtest on boot for koala?  its in my boot menu on grub 2 however the image is not found when I select it...
[16:27] <AlDoug> I did last week I think.
[16:27] <frozenfoxx> Key functionality is the ethernet driver working, preferably the wifi working, and if at all possible as little pain as possible getting the GMA chip working in 2D (mandatory), 3D (very nice, but not required)
[16:28] <Pici> AlDoug: Can you pastebin the exact thing that the error says?
[16:28] <frozenfoxx> I'm also having some trouble finding out from anyone if using 9.10 is best or if, for some reason, I should be using 9.04
[16:28] <AlDoug> tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[16:28] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, that is user specific, it depends on your needs
[16:29] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: I was more meaning that it seems like some people are recommending 9.04 because there's no support for certain parts of the hardware in 9.10?
[16:29] <frozenfoxx> But I didn't think that's how the distro moved forward (dropping hardware functionality that is)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> frozenfoxx, functionality seems tobe the fav word but it doesn't tell me what you do on your machine , what graphics card are you runing and for what you use your machine , work , home or both both ?
[16:29] <apparle> how to install karmic from USB
[16:29] <Martyn> AlDoug: Confirmed -- I also get error 100 downloading file 19
[16:29] <Hillshum> frozenfoxx: NOt intentionally anyway
[16:30] <AlDoug> Pici: at first I though it was because I had Synaptic PM running, but I closed that
[16:30] <AlDoug> Martyn: interesting
[16:30] <Martyn> Pici : That's all it says .. I belive that is the equivalent of "file not found in repository" when tasksel hits a 404
[16:30] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, I am not awarey of hw support being dropped on 9.10, however any upgrade has the potential risk of regressions
[16:30] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: The graphics chip was described earlier (the GMA 500), I also listed out extensively what capabilities were paramount (2D graphics, 3D would be nice, and networking has to work)...what more did you want?
[16:30] <Martyn> AlDoug: Try this first .. I just did it and succeeded- -- aptitude safe-upgrade
[16:31] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: Roger, that's what I needed to know
[16:31] <joaopinto> frozenfoxx, and that is not usually related to the distro per si, it's related to the kernel, or to vendor drivers, like ona specific version ATI decided to drop support for some models
[16:31] <AlDoug> Martyn: OK, I don't have time to run it now, but I will later tonight I think.
[16:32] <joaopinto> and the disto can't froze in software versions just because some vendor decides to not support their customers :)
[16:32] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: Roger.  The reason I ask about distro is because I know I've seen differences in support between Kubuntu and Ubuntu in the past, I didn't know if the NBR was supposed to be just a new interface with the same backend or if it, also, would have diverging packages providing different levels of hardware support
[16:32] <BluesKaj> time for my daily walk ...BBL .. frozenfoxx . looks like you're in good hands to help with your questions
[16:33] <frozenfoxx> BluesKaj: Thank you, have a good walk
[16:33] <joaopinto> froze, afaik NBR is just a metapackage
[16:33] <froze> karmic w/ ATI X300: installed RC and desktops effects worked, after system update and several apt-gets of preferred packages + restart, desktop effects not available. Any ideas?
[16:33] <joaopinto> ops, frozenfoxx
[16:34] <froze> np :)
[16:34] <frozenfoxx> joaopinto: No problem, I saw it.  Thank you, that clears up NBR for me
[16:34] <AlDoug> Martyn: You think it will work after the upgrade?
[16:35] <froze> tried installing radeonhd xserver package, but that dindn't work either :-/
[16:36] <froze> keeps telling me no driver available??? if it works on install - how is that possible
[16:36] <th1_> radeon always craps out better use nvidia ;)
[16:37] <froze> riiight, I'll just apt-get install nvidia-videocard :-P
[16:38] <newbuntu> in karmic, aplay doesn't find my soundcard, but it is visible in lspci.  how do i get it working?
[16:39] <froze> anyideas on what actually kills it? If I  livecd boot and check the xorg logs for differnces is that all I should look for?
[16:40] <Hillshum> newbuntu: what does cat /proc/asound/cards give you?
[16:41] <newbuntu> Hillshum: "no soundcards"
[16:42] <Hillshum> You'll need to get the drivers to see the card then
[16:42] <marijus> does msn audio/video also work crossplatform in empathy?
[16:43] <newbuntu> Hillshum: in jaunty it ran with riptide, which shows that it is still in modules in karmic
[16:44] <Pici> alexis_: Done?
[16:44] <newbuntu> Hillshum: how do i verify that it loaded?
[16:45] <Hillshum> lsmod
[16:46] <hanasaki> the linux-virtual image does not seem to have isofs yet iso9660 shows in the config as a module.. how do I get cd support?
[16:47] <newbuntu> it's not loading - is there a way to force it and see if the card is detected?
[16:50] <philsf> I upgraded to karmic, and now emacs's fonts are huge. How or where can I set it to the default size?
[16:50] <philsf> BTW, it only seem to affect emacs23, not emacs22
[16:53] <ikt> where is ubuntu party channel
[16:56] <mzz> philsf: hardly surprising, since the font backend in 23 is very different. I forgot what the preferred way of changing font size is, try asking #emacs (what I have in my .emacs is probably not the right way to do it)
[16:56] <skreech> OK What's up with the hard drive?
[16:56] <skreech> Wht can't I mount it?
[16:57] <mzz> because it's in my computer, and you don't have access to it :P
[16:57] <skreech> No I took out my hard drive and put it elsewhere and it asked for a password to mount it?
[16:58] <skreech> I was never asked to supply it a password. What password is it asking for?
[16:58] <mzz> and it's not just asking for the currently logged in user's password?
[16:59] <xenon_karmic> where can i get the source for desktop-notifications which appear in top right corner?
[16:59] <skreech> I don' think so I supplied that password as well as the password for the main user on my hard drive and neither worked
[16:59] <AlDoug> I am getting a lot of not found packages while doing my safe upgrade.
[16:59] <skreech> apt-get source ?
[16:59] <xenon_karmic> what is that called?
[16:59] <mzz> skreech: so what happens if you try to mount by hand (using "sudo mount /dev/whatevertherightpartitionis /mnt")?
[17:00] <mzz> skreech: you mean for the daemon responsible for actually drawing them, or for some app that requests that daemon to display a particular notification?
[17:00] <mzz> err, s/skreech/xenon_karmic/
[17:00] <mzz> xenon_karmic: you probably mean "apt-get source notify-osd"
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> ok
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> and the daemon?
[17:01] <mzz> that is the daemon
[17:01] <SIRprise> how can i create a second su? i need that because i access the printer port directly and don't want to type sudo every time
[17:01] <xenon_karmic> ok :)
[17:01] <skreech> SIRprise: A what?
[17:01] <mzz> xenon_karmic: if that's not the source you want please rephrase your question
[17:02] <skreech> Oh anyone where using kubuntu ?
[17:02] <skreech> mzz: I'm actually not sure I had other hard drives in the system and they would mount properly without fuss
[17:02] <xenon_karmic> basically i want to change settings for notify-osd ..
[17:02] <SIRprise> skreech: i use avrdude to program my avr with the parallel port and that is used in an eclipse script
[17:02] <xenon_karmic> i think has many bugs ryt now
[17:03] <mzz> skreech: I don't know what the exact logic is for when you need to supply a password and when not (I suspect it depends on the filesystem and/or device type)
[17:03] <skreech> mzz: has something changed for KK that makes them require new parameters to be mounted by an older LInux kernel?
[17:03] <skreech> SIRprise: Right so what is the second su for?
[17:03] <SIRprise> skreech: last time i started eclipse with sudo but than i have a workspace in root-home
[17:03] <mzz> skreech: think about it, being able to mount a partition with setuid root apps on it without giving the root password would be a security risk
[17:04] <SIRprise> skreech: i want to have a second user which already have rights to access the ports low-level
[17:04] <skreech> mzz: I guess so but it did it for a pure data partition as well
[17:04] <skreech> SIRprise: right so enable the root user
[17:04] <skreech> !root | SIRprise
[17:04] <mzz> skreech: yes, but it can't tell those apart without actually mounting them. I'm guessing that to mount something with a proper linux filesystem on it you need to supply a password
[17:05] <skreech> Funky
[17:05] <mzz> SIRprise: I'd muck around with the permissions on the device so you don't need root to access it
[17:05] <skreech> ok I'll take that under consideration L)
[17:05] <mzz> SIRprise: you should be able to do that via custom udev rules if you need to apply it permanently.
[17:05] <SIRprise> skreech: thx, but i thought i create a new user which does not have network-connection and an own home-folder
[17:05] <skreech> SIRprise: You can do that as well
[17:06] <SIRprise> mzz: how can i change the permissions of printer port?
[17:06] <mzz> SIRprise: chmod/chown, if you're in a hurry (but that's not permanent)
[17:06] <mzz> SIRprise: dig into udev rules for a more permanent solution, or check if they're already owned and writable by a useful group you can just add the desired user to
[17:07] <SIRprise> mzz: ok, thank you, i will try that
[17:08] <genii> Why not add yourself to the lp (line printer) group
[17:08] <mzz> that'd be the kind of group that might already have write access to the port, yes.
[17:09] <timber> can you tell me if syndaemon isn't working on karmic?
[17:09] <mzz> (I don't have a printer hooked up to my ubuntu system, so I can't check)
[17:09] <mzz> !doesntwork | timber
[17:09] <timber> !doesntwork syndaemon
[17:10] <timber> mzz: how i use this?
[17:10] <mzz> I was hoping for something a little more specific than "syndaemon"
[17:10] <timber> syndaemon disable tapping on touchpad while typing
[17:11] <mzz> yes, that's what it does
[17:11] <timber> on jaunty it worked fine
[17:11] <genii> timber: syndaemon does work, but only if your pad is using the synaptics driver and not being recognised as some generic mouse
[17:11] <mzz> timber: that's supposed to be a feature. Feel free to turn it off if you don't like it (system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad -> disable touchpad while typing)
[17:11] <timber> genii: so do i have to install the synaptics driver?
[17:11] <mzz> timber: the synaptics driver is installed and normally used by default. The behavior you describe is supposed to be a feature.
[17:12] <timber> mzz: this option is checked and there's nothing disabled
[17:12] <mzz> err
[17:12] <mzz>  < timber> syndaemon disable tapping on touchpad while typing
[17:12] <ponting_> in ubuntu 9.1 will that problme of ntfs mounting  will be solved?
[17:12] <mzz> did you mean "syndaemon should be disabling tapping on the touchpad while typing, but it doesn't", or "syndaemon is disabling tapping on touchpad while typing, and that's my problem"?
[17:13] <Memphisau> what problem?
[17:13] <timber> mzz:  "syndaemon should be disabling tapping on the touchpad while typing, but it doesn't"
[17:13] <mzz> ah
[17:14] <mzz> timber: I guess I'd start by hunting down the delay it's using
[17:15] <mzz> and/or running it by hand to see if it's logging anything
[17:15] <mzz> ponting_: I'm pretty sure you'll still be able to mount ntfs partitions in ubuntu 9.10, like you could in 9.04. I'm not sure what this ubuntu 9.1 you speak of is, I'm assuming it's a typo :P
[17:15] <frybye> what to do when win7 fax+scan cannot see a fax modem that otherwise appears to be installed and responds to diagnosis commands etc...?
[17:16] <genii> timber: Is package: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics    installed?
[17:16] <mzz> frybye: this is #ubuntu+1, not ##windows :P
[17:16] <frybye> sorry - my mistake...
[17:16] <skreech> frybye: That's bug #1 we are working on it
[17:17] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[17:17] <timber> genii: yes, it is.
[17:17] <frybye> skreech: yeah - I agree largly - silly thing is the damn thing worked fine with the RC of win7 but not now with the rtm ah well... (my netbook has karmic!)
[17:18] <skreech> timber: it turns up in the device manager then ask in ##windows. If it doesn't then upgrade the netbook to your primary machine :)
[17:19] <timber> skreech: ?
[17:22] <jonne> is there a way to assign multiple keyboard shortcuts to the same action in gnome's keyboard shortcuts thing?
[17:23] <jonne> i want to add a hotkey for 'next track', but it's already configured to use XF86AudioNext (which is the keycode my remote uses)
[17:23] <genii> timber: the synaptics manpage has an example xorg.conf stanza which could be used, you need to know the /dev name of your current pad however
[17:24] <timber> genii: how can i know the name?
[17:24] <mzz> jonne: I don't think so (I don't think the underlying gconf storage supports multiple keys)
[17:24] <mzz> timber: the /dev/input/by-id/ or /dev/input/by-path/ names should be stable
[17:25] <jonne> well, that sucks
[17:25] <jonne> i switched to banshee from amarok
[17:25] <worufu> hy guys
[17:25] <jonne> amarok had its own global shortcut thing, so that was perfect
[17:25] <worufu> my koala does not like the nvidia 185 driver
[17:25] <worufu> it causes my system to freeze during boot
[17:25] <mzz> jonne: of course I could be wrong (for example your media player might listen for things like XF86AudioNext no matter what)
[17:25] <kahen> i'm thinking about reinstalling when karmic comes out. i want to move to having a separate /home partition and stuff... what's the recommended size of / (i.e. everything but /home)?
[17:26] <worufu> anybody experiencing something similar?
[17:26] <mzz> kahen: a couple of GB usually suffices. The number of GB depends completely on how much stuff you end up installing.
[17:26] <jonne> that is a good suggestion, mzz
[17:26] <bjsnider> worufu, what graphics card?
[17:26] <worufu> bjsnider: nVidia Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
[17:26] <kahen> mzz: got 6.4GB in /usr right now. i tend to install a LOT of .*doc packages
[17:27] <Italian_Plumber> anyone testing Karmic with 128MB RAM?
[17:27] <worufu> bjsnider: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1)
[17:27] <mzz> kahen: yeah, du -sh-ing your current /usr and /var is a good way to guesstimate the right size
[17:27] <kahen> i'm thinking 10GB should probably be ok
[17:27] <worufu> hm... strange
[17:27] <bjsnider> wofmore likely it's your nforce chipset
[17:27] <AlDoug> Martyn: Pici: I was able to do the upgrade, but installing the LAMP package still doesn't work.
[17:27] <mzz> kahen: just make sure you do take /var into account too, not just /usr. The other toplevel dirs should be much smaller than those two.
[17:27] <kahen> 128MB RAM... it'll probably run, but not in any way that i'd call "well"
[17:28] <kahen> mzz: well. there's always sudo apt-cache clean
[17:28] <jonne> damn, didn't work
[17:28] <Italian_Plumber> I am and so far the CD is not booting
[17:28] <worufu> bjsnider: now I was confused... obviously the onboard card is nvidia too
[17:28] <mzz> kahen: sure, but it's still inconvenient, if only for things like a distribution upgrade
[17:28] <billybigrigger> everyone still have a bunch of PA packages being held back?
[17:28] <worufu> bjsnider: the 7600 is an additional card
[17:28] <bjsnider> worufu, your mobo chipset is an nvidia nforce as well
[17:28] <Italian_Plumber> I had a white ubuntu logo in the middle of the screen for a rleally long time, now the screen is blank
[17:28] <mzz> billybigrigger: please be more specific
[17:29] <kahen> right... need like... 2-3GB free for dist-upgrade iirc
[17:29] <bjsnider> worufu, not well supported on linux
[17:29] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1645375
[17:29] <worufu> bjsnider: don't want to use the mobo graphics chip anyways... maybe I can disable it in the bios
[17:29]  * mzz wonders if there's a convenient way to force a fetch of all installed packages (to "seed" his apt-cacher-ng proxy)
[17:29] <billybigrigger> ^^^ these packages have been held back for me for over a week
[17:29] <i_is_broke> is there anyway to b.s. a xorg-conf setup?
[17:30] <billybigrigger> same as the ubuntu-desktop package
[17:30] <mzz> billybigrigger: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libpulse0"?
[17:30] <billybigrigger> umm no
[17:30] <billybigrigger> :P
[17:30] <worufu> bjsnider: and I have to check if maybe the output switches to the mobo card.... there is no screen attached to it
[17:30] <billybigrigger> yeah i can hold on
[17:31] <billybigrigger> but maybe i shouldn't be complaining as sound is flawless here....
[17:31] <billybigrigger> haha
[17:31] <mzz> bah, I usually make comments like that to other people :P
[17:31] <worufu> bjsnider: thanks so far... going to reboot and check again
[17:31] <exiton> notify doesn't show messages without 3d effects just a white area wiht stripes. can i change that?
[17:31] <i_is_broke> im having some minor issues with my sis onboard graphics and the only way it says in google is to make changes to the xorg config file.any one got any ideas?
[17:31] <billybigrigger> libpulse0:
[17:31] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu2
[17:31] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4
[17:31] <billybigrigger> :(
[17:31] <genii> timber: grep /dev/input /var/log/Xorg.0.log     and look for a mouse device
[17:32] <genii> timber: Apologies on lag, work requires me
[17:32] <billybigrigger> mzz, how does it feel being on the wrong end of those comments? bahaha
[17:32] <dtchen> billybigrigger: unless you like broken suspend/resume, it's a good idea to update to 0ubuntu4
[17:32] <mzz> billybigrigger: mmm, odd.
[17:32] <billybigrigger> dtchen, aptitude won't update them
[17:32] <dtchen> billybigrigger: use 'why'
[17:33] <billybigrigger> $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade has been holding those back for over a week
[17:33] <mzz> billybigrigger: not sure what's up with that, and (unfortunately) not sure yet how to get it to give you more information.
[17:33] <timber> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event10"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event8"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Acer CrystalEye webcam: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
[17:33] <timber> (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
[17:33] <timber> (**) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
[17:33] <mzz> billybigrigger: it's possible a forced "apt-get install libpulse0" will give more information.
[17:33] <timber> genii: the last is the correct?
[17:33]  * billybigrigger sips coffee and watches genii work :P
[17:33] <mzz> timber: don't do that, and don't assume /dev/input/eventN names are stable
[17:33] <Hillshum> timber: Please use paste.ubuntu.com
[17:34] <mzz> timber: find the /dev/input/by-id/ or /dev/input/by-path/ symlink that points at that eventN device and use that one
[17:34] <timber> genii: don't worry about the lag
[17:34] <timber> sorry everybody
[17:35] <mzz> timber: also, "mouse button emulation" isn't your mouse
[17:35] <mzz> (your mouse isn't in that list)
[17:35] <mzz> (unless it's event10 or event8)
[17:35] <timber> mzz: platform-i8042-serio-4-event-mouse
[17:35] <mzz> that sounds about right
[17:36] <timber> mzz: and this platform-i8042-serio-4-mouse
[17:36] <mzz> timber: the two are *not* interchangable. I forgot which the synaptics driver wants.
[17:36] <drbobb> hey something weird's up w/my karmic, it used to hibernate or suspend just fine, now all of a sudden it doesn't anymore - and I don't think i did anything to change that
[17:37] <drbobb> choosing suspend or hibernate from the menu just locks the screen, no further action happens
[17:37] <genii> timber: Yes, event4
[17:37] <timber> genii: what i have to do now?
[17:37] <mzz> err, what?
[17:38] <billybigrigger> dtchen, i don't use suspend/resume so it's not that big of a deal :P
[17:39] <mzz> genii, timber: what are you trying to do again? "macintosh mouse button emulation" really isn't the mouse device, at least not here
[17:40] <mzz> platform-i7042-serio-4-event-mouse should be, though (I'd expect that to point at ../eventN with N not being 4)
[17:40] <timber> mzz, genii: i'm don't understanding what is this
[17:40] <mzz> drbobb: I haven't had to debug that under ubuntu yet, but I'd start by looking at dmesg
[17:40] <ikt> keyserver down for anyone else?
[17:41] <dtchen> billybigrigger: well, I'd still use 0ubuntu4, because I backed out a broken change
[17:41] <mzz> timber: I lost track of what you're doing now, but if it has to do with a mouse or touchpad you can usually ignore that "emulation" thing
[17:41] <thiebaude> ikt: no, but its slow
[17:41] <timber> mzz: ok
[17:41] <thiebaude> as expected
[17:41] <ikt> :(
[17:41] <mzz> I know my apt-get update is being strangely slow
[17:42] <ikt> I guess my 1000 hops away is triggering it to timeout for me
[17:43] <aurolac> anyone using MSI Wind?
[17:43] <thiebaude> ikt: im doing my last 9.10 alternate cd today
[17:43] <aurolac> usb is still borked
[17:43] <timber> mzz: let me ask a question....the syndaemon disable *all* tapping, since small and soft tapping to harder tapping? because when i type with one hand and the other make a hard tap the click occurs.
[17:43] <aurolac> cam or usb sticks dont work
[17:43] <billybigrigger> dtchen, apt-get why or apt-cache why, shows nothing, what the hell is the why argument associated to again???
[17:43] <billybigrigger> dtchen, haven't used why in ages
[17:43] <mzz> timber: I disabled that feature because it makes no sense for me, so I'm not sure
[17:43] <G_A_C> mzz: my update was slow earlier too, I put it down to people wanting to "beat the rush" by grabbing the RC a day before release and assuming that it's going to be almost identical to final
[17:43] <drbobb> mzz: yep already looked at dmesg, nothing there
[17:43] <timber> mzz: and while i type, the pointer disappears, and this is the normal behavior
[17:43] <ikt> gpg: keyserver timed out
[17:43] <ikt> gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error
[17:44] <ikt> *crys*
[17:44] <thiebaude> G_A_C: yea i still have the Oct 21 alternate
[17:44] <mzz> ikt: I'd try a different keyserver (many keyservers mirror each other)
[17:44] <genii> timber: I think mzz may is right that event4 device is the button only.
[17:45] <mzz> I'm pretty sure event4 isn't your touchpad, and I wouldn't expect pointing the synaptics driver at it to do anything particularly useful
[17:45] <timber> genii: ok, but do you know if what i said to mzz  is correct?
[17:45] <ikt> sorry for a quite noobish question but where do I find a list of different keyservers?
[17:45] <mzz> timber: while you type where the pointer disappears?
[17:45] <ikt> of the*
[17:45] <mzz> ikt: try subkeys.pgp.net iirc
[17:46] <drbobb> mzz: just tried to invoke suspend again, seems nothing at all appeared in the system logs
[17:46] <ikt> cheers
[17:47] <timber> mzz: the pointer just disappears, only the marker for the word like '|' appears....then when i stop typing the pointer came where he was
[17:47] <mzz> drbobb: fishy, but I don't know how to debug it. I guess ~/.xsession-errors might have something.
[17:47] <drbobb> mzz: looked also at /var/log/{messages,kern.log,debug}
[17:47] <mzz> timber: some apps do that, that's not necessarily a syndaemon thing
[17:47] <exiton> how can i fix the notifications? they only work with 3d effects
[17:47] <mzz> exiton: they work for me in metacity
[17:47] <timber> mzz: i was using gedit
[17:48] <ikt> YES! it worked! cheers again mzz :D
[17:48] <mzz> timber: yep, gedit seems to be hiding the mouse cursor (I don't run syndaemon)
[17:48] <exiton> mzz: without 3d effects there is only a white area with stripes
[17:48] <mzz> exiton: in gnome? I'm not seeing that.
[17:49] <exiton> mzz: gnome and fluxbox
[17:49] <mzz> no compiz or other compositing manager here.
[17:49] <drbobb> uhh choosing suspend from the menu that pops up when i hit the powerbutton has no effect either
[17:50] <genii> mzz: The syndaemon program only works for some dev which uses the synaptics driver, i had this issue another time as the pad gets seen as a mouse and the driver needs to be specified as synaptics in the xorg.conf stanza as shown in the example from the syanptics manpage. The prob gets to be what /dev to use (especially if it's a serial and not usb interface) . apologies again on lag. One sentence is taking several minutes to complete, as work calls me
[17:50] <genii>  away from the computer right now every 30-90 seconds for a minute or 2 each time
[17:50] <exiton> mzz: i don't know, what ever comes with the ubuntu 9.10 update
[17:50] <drbobb> other than locking the screen that is
[17:50] <philsf> I use ecryptfs's encrypted Private dir since jaunty, now I see karmic has support for encrypted Home, but there's no corresponding command for doing this. Am I missing something, or is it only offered for new installs?
[17:51] <timber> mzz: hmm, that's ok, i'll try to take care when type again
[17:51] <steveh> I remember using the official Jaunty CD and having it blow away everything on my drive.  There was another distro of ubuntu, but I can't remember what it was called.  Anyone got a better rememberrer??
[17:51] <thiebaude> steveh: kiwilinux
[17:52] <mzz> genii: did you actually check if that's the problem timber has?
[17:52] <mzz> exiton: I'm not sure what's up with that, other than possibly your video card driver doing something weird
[17:53] <steveh> ... (sorry, thinko) I mean another distro that loaded ubuntu and just over-wrote the system, without screwing with my loaded apps, etc., unless they needed screwing with, that is.
[17:53] <mzz> philsf: hmm, not sure how you'd set that up for a new user, I just had the installer do it.
[17:53] <exiton> mzz: but it's only the notifycations
[17:53] <thiebaude> steveh: i see what your saying
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> steveh:  im not even sure how it would do that. :)  theres just to much to go wrong.
[17:54] <thiebaude> backups
[17:54] <mzz> philsf: the ecryptfs-utils package might be installing documentation on this somewhere.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> ive even had issues in the past with kde  and gnome not liking user settings when ive kept /home seperate.
[17:54] <mzz> exiton: well, those windows are a little weird (nonrectangular, for starters)
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> gnome is much better now about that. but i still see it eveery once in a while
[17:55] <Xs3s3> why would installing 9.10 cause blockid issues?
[17:55] <mzz> steveh: it shouldn't overwrite everything, but it'll definitely overwrite a bunch of stuff. I don't know what the list is.
[17:55] <Xs3s3> *causing my system not to boot properly*
[17:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: try being more vague
[17:55] <Xs3s3> mzz, sorry, upgraded last night from 9.04 to 9.10
[17:55] <Xs3s3> now when I boot, it says blkid having trouble waiting for filesystem
[17:56] <Xs3s3> I have edited /etc/fstab it looks right..
[17:56] <Xs3s3> and / gets mounted.... but nothing ever happens
[17:56] <Xs3s3> no x, no gdm. etc
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: how far does it get? If splash is enabled: do you get up to the first splash screen? What's the exact message?
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: can you pastebin fstab?
[17:56] <Xs3s3> I even tried removing UUId in fstab with /dev/ paths
[17:56] <g33k> are there drivers for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics in karmic?
[17:56] <mzz> Xs3s3: yeah, I was going to recommend that
[17:57] <Xs3s3> mzz, um, i will have to re-type it since that machine is kind of hit
[17:57] <steveh> Dr_Willis: It was an official Canonical distro.
[17:57] <Xs3s3> mzz, i just need to get this drive to boot so I can DD it to my new drive.
[17:57] <woha> bjsnider: hi. nvidia problem is now gone
[17:57] <Xs3s3> but its not working right
[17:57] <woha> bjsnider: switched back to nvidia-glx-173
[17:57] <billybigrigger> dtchen, $ sudo apt-get install libpulse0 pulls in all those left behind packages
[17:58] <Xs3s3> mzz, it ends up with an unknown filesystem error.
[17:58] <billybigrigger> wonder why safe-upgrade was holding them back?
[17:58] <Xs3s3> mzz, and / is mounted read only per my /etc/fstab instructs
[17:58] <billybigrigger> libpulse0:
[17:58] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4
[17:58] <mzz> billybigrigger: curious. I don't know what was up with that either (I've been using plain old apt-get)
[17:58] <mzz> billybigrigger: it's possible it broke something, but I wouldn't know what.
[17:58]  * worufu says goodbye...
[17:59] <billybigrigger> odd
[17:59]  * worufu ...all karmic koala upgrade issues fixed for now
[17:59] <mzz> Xs3s3: err, having "/" ro in fstab is unusual at best
[17:59] <Xs3s3> mzz, its remount read only...
[17:59] <Xs3s3> on errors.
[17:59]  * mzz waits for an fstab pastebin
[17:59] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok. let me go retype that shit.
[17:59] <Memphisau> perhaps not so in embedded devices, having rw might be risky :P
[17:59] <mzz> Xs3s3: shouldn't have to type. Does that system have any kind of network access?
[18:00] <mzz> Xs3s3: usually preferable to boot off a livecd and pastebin the file
[18:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, alright. im burning a live-cd now ...
[18:00] <mzz> err
[18:00] <mzz> Xs3s3: ok, I didn't know you had nothing bootable around :(
[18:01] <Xs3s3> mzz, i know how to use /etc/fstab
[18:01] <Xs3s3> mzz, this is very strange indeed.
[18:01] <mzz> Xs3s3: well, it shouldn't be getting remounted readonly, and I don't see anything blkid-ish triggering that. I do see boot getting rather confused if / is getting remounted readonly halfway through it. Anything suspicious in dmesg (filesystem errors)?
[18:02] <Xs3s3> mzz, let me check.
[18:03] <Xs3s3> mzz, well. it says waiting or /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxx
[18:03] <billybigrigger> is ubuntu-desktop broken?
[18:03]  * mzz is getting confused though, first it was "blockid issues", then "blkid having trouble waiting for filesystem", then "/ is mounted read only per my /etc/fstab instructs"
[18:03] <billybigrigger> ubuntu-desktop:
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1.171
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 1.175
[18:03] <Xs3s3> mzz, lol, my / gets remounted read only on errors.
[18:04] <mzz> billybigrigger: works for me
[18:04] <Xs3s3> you know ro option
[18:04] <Pici> billybigrigger: so... dist-upgrade then
[18:04] <billybigrigger> mzz which one do you have installed?
[18:04] <mzz> Xs3s3: errors=remount-ro? If that actually triggers you have a serious problem
[18:04] <Xs3s3> mzz, no dmesg errors
[18:04] <billybigrigger> now why on earth would i want to dist-upgrade?
[18:04] <Xs3s3> mzz, yea thats whats going on
[18:04] <mzz> Xs3s3: but it's *also* mounted readonly on boot, and should be getting remounted readwrite later
[18:04] <Pici> billybigrigger: Why would you not want to?
[18:05] <Pici> You should be using dist-upgrade to grab the latest packages.
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, im using 2.6.28-16-server right this second.
[18:05] <mzz> Xs3s3: are you sure that first remount readwrite actually happens? If it's the errors=remount-ro making it readonly again you should be getting information about that in dmesg.
[18:05] <billybigrigger> Pici, since when?
[18:05] <mzz> billybigrigger: 1.175
[18:05] <Pici> billybigrigger: always
[18:05] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, it has network, what do you want me to run?
[18:05] <billybigrigger> aptitude safe-upgrade here
[18:05] <Xs3s3> mzz, i will give you ssh access even lol.
[18:05] <Xs3s3> i dont even care
[18:05] <mzz> Xs3s3: well, "pastebinit /etc/fstab" might be useful, as well as "dmesg|pastebinit"
[18:06] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok
[18:06] <Pici> billybigrigger: That means you never want to install a package update if it has additional dependent packages.
[18:06] <Pici> billybigrigger: Which will happen with metapackages such as ubuntu-desktop and the kernel packages from time to time.
[18:06] <billybigrigger> never get a broken system, it works
[18:06] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:06] <billybigrigger> fair enough, i see your point now
[18:06] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I remount it with read priveledges now?
[18:06] <coz_> hey guys   is libtranslate working on karmic?  it doesnt seem to translate anything here
[18:07] <Xs3s3> mzz, err write
[18:07] <mzz> Pici: according to the manpage aptitude safe-upgrade isn't quite as conservative as never pulling in new packages
[18:07] <mzz> Xs3s3: I'd start by looking for scary errors at the bottom of dmesg
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Pici, billybigrigger , one can always use the full-upgrade command if needed
[18:07] <mzz> Xs3s3: if there aren't any then yes, I'd just "mount -o remount,rw /" by hand
[18:07] <Xs3s3> mzz, i really dont have any it says stuff about my wifi, my nvidia card. etc
[18:08] <SnakDoc_> is there a way to change xsplash position on screen or which screen it shows on with dual monitors ?
[18:08] <Pici> mzz: looks like you're right, but it seems it will never remove packages.  The confusion is usually around whether dist-upgrade/full-upgrade brings you to the next release of Ubuntu or not.
[18:09] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok ill get it on a live cd in a minute
[18:10] <mzz> Pici: you're almost certainly correct about needing dist-upgrade when running ubuntu+1 though (I know I needed to remove a package or two recently)
[18:11] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok that worked a charm
[18:11] <Xs3s3> mzz, installing pastebinit now
[18:12] <mzz> Xs3s3: if you're on grub 2 (you should be) you might want to pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg too
[18:12] <Xs3s3> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f3c7e817b
[18:12] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok
[18:13]  * mzz considers filing a bug on pastebinit to change the default pastebin
[18:13] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's that last line doing there?
[18:13] <Xs3s3> mzz, i got a new harddrive coming sometime today and all i want to do is be able to dd a bootable drive.
[18:13] <drbobb> what's the iBus daemon, and associated iBus preferences, for?
[18:14] <Xs3s3> mzz, must have left it their last time i edited it, but I have removed it before with no luck, same events occur
[18:14] <mzz> drbobb: "apt-cache show ibus" said it has to do with input methods (think inputting non-latin languages)
[18:14] <Xs3s3> mzz, thats the swap uuid
[18:15] <mzz> Xs3s3: having a stray uuid in there like that isn't sane, although I don't know how it'd fail, if at all
[18:15] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok.
[18:16] <Xs3s3> mzz, do you mean menu.lst for grub ?
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: grub 2 has grub.cfg
[18:17] <Xs3s3> mzz, its not in /boot/grub ?
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: grub prints its version to the top of the screen at boot time. You should be getting grub 2.
[18:17] <mzz> Xs3s3: it's possible grub 2 wasn't installed for some reason (I didn't upgrade)
[18:17] <mzz> in that case yes, pastebin menu.lst instead
[18:17] <Xs3s3> mzz, LOL yea it never installe
[18:18] <sikor_sxe> uhm, i just did an upgrade in ubuntu 9.10 rc, now the machine refuses to boot, did this happen to anyone?
[18:18]  * mzz wants a factoid like "doesntwork" for "refuses"
[18:18] <mzz> !refuses
[18:18] <Xs3s3> sikor_sxe, me
[18:19] <sikor_sxe> Xs3s3: "error 24: attempt..."?
[18:19] <mzz> ah, now we're getting somewhere
[18:19] <Xs3s3> sikor_sxe, nope
[18:19] <mzz> sikor_sxe: that's grub 1, not 2, right?
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> i have no idea :/
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> the look didn't change from grub1
[18:20] <sikor_sxe> how can i tell?
[18:20] <Xs3s3> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f18e85e55
[18:21] <mzz> sikor_sxe: weird, I wonder how you managed that. I'd force a reinstall of grub, in case you're getting an old stage1.5 that doesn't handle ext4 properly (is an ext4 filesystem involved?)
[18:21] <sikor_sxe> mzz: yes
[18:21] <sikor_sxe> the / fs is ext4
[18:22] <mzz> sikor_sxe: or upgrade to grub 2 while you're at it
[18:23] <reagleBRKLN> i have an old dell desktop running Hardy with a working ndiswrapped PCI wireless card. Upgrading to subsequent releases has been impossible. Recently, I got further by learning I had to blacklist module  rtl8580. However, I still can't get wpa_supplicant to work, I have the same interfaces and conf file I have on hardy, but no go. Has anything changed?
[18:23] <mzz> sikor_sxe: (to upgrade: boot off a livecd, mount partitions and chroot in, apt-get install grub-pc, grub-install /dev/sda (or whatever the right drive is)
[18:23] <djm62> is there a workaround for the "ubuntuOne doesn't work unless NM is online, and NM doesn't work with my network adapter, so ubuntuOne refuses to connect" problem?
[18:23] <mzz> sikor_sxe: (I think, at least, I haven't actually done this from scratch)
[18:24] <sikor_sxe> mzz: ok i was thinking about that
[18:24] <Xs3s3> mzz, grub 2 is chainloading now, but it always ends in same message of waiting for /dev/disk/uuid
[18:24] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's the uuid it's complaining about? Does it match the one in grub.cfg?
[18:24] <sikor_sxe> grub-pc is grup 2.0?
[18:24] <Xs3s3> mzz, i changed grub.cfg to /dev/sda1
[18:25] <mzz> sikor_sxe: yep
[18:25] <Xs3s3> mzz, it did, but it did not work
[18:25] <mzz> Xs3s3: is that stray uuid still in /etc/fstab?
[18:25] <Xs3s3> mzz, no
[18:25] <mzz> Xs3s3: what's the exact message? Perhaps grep through /etc for the uuid from the message?
[18:26] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I get rid of uuid completely?
[18:26] <mzz> personally I don't care much about uuids (but I use lvm, so I have fewer reasons to want to use uuids), so I'd hunt down where it's getting the uuid from and tell it to stop caring
[18:26] <mzz> it's getting it from *somewhere*, and some basic grepping might tell you where
[18:26] <Xs3s3> mzz, im on a live-cd now
[18:26] <Xs3s3> what command should I run
[18:27] <Xs3s3> mzz, its not like my disks change to where I need to use UUID,....
[18:27] <mzz> that depends on if you remember the uuid from the error message, and if you actually booted regularly since removing that stray uuid from /etc/fstab and modifying grub.cfg
[18:27] <mzz> yeah, same here
[18:28] <mzz> because I can actually imagine mountall hanging like that if you have that stray uuid in /etc/fstab (what was that doing there anyway?)
[18:28] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok im on the live-cd what do you want me to look for?
[18:28] <ik3> im getting this error:  Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A); when i try to configure iwconfig (network-manager does work though) any ideas?
[18:28] <mzz> if you know the uuid it was complaining about: "grep -r /mnt/etc partofthatuuid" (or wherever the actual system's /etc ended up)
[18:29] <mzz> ik3: why are you trying to use iwconfig? A couple of wireless drivers are moving away from it (try the "iw" tool instead)
[18:30]  * mzz discovers there's a pretty lame domainsquatterish page on linux-wireless.org (the right site is linuxwireless.org)
[18:34] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok hold on live-cd funky, getting on hd
[18:35] <Xs3s3> mzz, ebf1386a-d2a0-4023-996d-3574660e
[18:35] <Xs3s3>  is what it says its waiting for
[18:38] <mzz> Xs3s3: ok, so grep through /etc/ for that
[18:38] <mzz> Xs3s3: (and confirm it's not in /proc/cmdline)
[18:38] <chaos2fu> anyone else having problem with nvidia x server?
[18:39] <Xs3s3> mzz, how do I grep?
[18:39] <Xs3s3> mzz, sorry, not that much of an expert. just a user lol.
[18:39] <chaos2fu> Im using the VGA-output but when i restart the computer it wont start..
[18:42] <Xs3s3> mzz grep ebf13 /etc/ returns nothing
[18:42] <mzz> odd
[18:42] <mzz> chaos2fu: I think I heard a few people say they had to downgrade the driver for some reason
[18:42] <benjamim> hey guys, after yesterday updates, the sound on my Karmic 64bits stop working
[18:42]  * mzz doesn't have an nvidia card and didn't pay much attention
[18:43] <benjamim> I'm using a Intel ICH8
[18:43] <benjamim> any sugestions ?
[18:43] <chaos2fu> ok mzz..
[18:43] <VXxed> Does anybody here know anything about possible acpi issues?
[18:43] <mzz> Xs3s3: was that grep ebf13 /etc or grep -r ebf13 /etc?
[18:43] <benjamim> yep, chaos i tried install Backport alsa modules
[18:43] <benjamim> but i doesn't work
[18:44] <ik3> chaos2fu, do u try to install the "recommend" driver on system/Administration/hardware drivers?
[18:44] <chaos2fu> ik3 nop i havent..
[18:45] <CrocoJet> someone is getting to work webcam (amsn, skype, etc) with new kernel 2.6.31 ?
[18:45] <chaos2fu> ik3 sorry correction, i have version 185 for nvidia!
[18:45] <adelie42> question: If you add several mirrors to your sources.list, are each of the files requested on the download distributed across those servers, or does it grab each file one at a time?
[18:45] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:46] <CrocoJet> hello
[18:46] <CrocoJet> whats up?
[18:46] <domjohnson> :)
[18:46] <domjohnson> I just installed 9.10 rc (fresh install) along with, of course, grub...
[18:46] <cdE|Woozy> does the totem youtube plugin work for anyone? I'm getting input/output error when I try to play a youtube video
[18:46]  * mzz tries
[18:46] <CrocoJet> domjohnson, and how is going?
[18:46] <ik3> chaos2fu, how do u install that driver? remember ubuntu its mean to be easy so just try the option that comes with it, i have that same driver installed via "hardware driver" and works fine
[18:47] <domjohnson> My problem is that it no longer shows either of the operating systems on my computer
[18:47] <adelie42> CrocoJet: The new video for linux 2 drivers for web cams are not included in karmic. Just recently recompiled my kernel with them and getting much better performance than whatever is being included in RC1
[18:47] <domjohnson> It doesn't show windows or crunchbang
[18:47] <CrocoJet> domjohnson, wow .. sounds bad
[18:47] <apparle_> has the support for the problematic intel chipsets improved in karmic..... and is UXA the default acc method of xorg
[18:47] <mzz> domjohnson: try rerunning update-grub2
[18:48] <mzz> domjohnson: I think I had to do that post-install, not sure why
[18:48] <domjohnson> ok
[18:48] <VXxed> So should I take that as a no..?
[18:48] <Jimmio> Yay! Karmic is perfect except two issues. One: All the keys on my keyboard are STILL not supported... Two: When an audio application first starts there's an audible click
[18:48] <CrocoJet> adelie42, oh ok, thanks for information
[18:48] <chaos2fu> ik3 i installed it with the original installation of 9.04.. since then i havent touched it! but in the update to 9.10 it updated the x server?
[18:48] <domjohnson> Ok
[18:48] <domjohnson> will try rebooting now
[18:48] <domjohnson> brb
[18:48] <mzz> cdE|Woozy: fails differently (general supporting library error)
[18:48] <Xs3s3> mzz, im lost on this one
[18:49] <Xs3s3> mzz, can I just make you an ssh acct lol
[18:49] <mzz> Xs3s3: did you run "grep ebf13 /etc" (which doesn't do anything useful) or "grep -r ebf13 /etc"?
[18:49] <apparle_> has the support for the problematic intel chipsets improved in karmic..... and is UXA the default acc method of xorg
[18:49] <Xs3s3> mzz, -r and it only found the one in /etc/fstab
[18:49] <mzz> Xs3s3: which I asked you to remove, because I suspect it'd cause mountall to fail exactly like this
[18:49] <CrocoJet> adelie42, any reason to do not include drivers for webcams?
[18:50]  * mzz must not be phrasing this clearly
[18:50] <Jimmio> Are there any settings for the new messages applet? It now only displays one message and it's 100px or so from the top bar and rather annoying.
[18:50] <Xs3s3> mzz, i did remove the stray, only the uuid for swap remains
[18:50] <mzz> Xs3s3: comment out that line and reboot (you may have to "mount -o remount,rw /" to be able to edit fstab)
[18:50] <mzz> err
[18:50] <Xs3s3> Xs3s3, what should I have in /etc/fstab
[18:51] <ik3> chaos2fu, install envyng-qt, run it in terminal first uninstall the driver, reboot, and install it again with this same app
[18:51] <adelie42> CrocoJet: I think it is just that they are ahead of the development cycle. They were also beta drivers, so those need to be tested, finalized, then packaged and all that good stuff which will hopefully be completed by 10.04 I'll guess
[18:51] <mzz> Xs3s3: I don't see any uuid for swap in you pastebinned fstab
[18:51] <ik3> that should work
[18:51] <Xs3s3> mzz, um, it just booted
[18:51] <domjohnson> Worked a charm!
[18:51] <sikor_sxe> mzz: using chroot and bootcd i installed grub-pc, choosed chainloading, but then i get "Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format." :/
[18:51] <Xs3s3> mzz, i dont know how, but it did
[18:51] <domjohnson> Cheeres!
[18:51] <mzz> sikor_sxe: when?
[18:51] <CrocoJet> adelie42, ok, :)
[18:51] <sikor_sxe> mzz: after i select grub2 from the grub1 menu
[18:52] <domjohnson> Xs3s3, try running update-grub2
[18:52] <domjohnson> :)
[18:52] <adelie42> CrocoJet: remember, nothing new and no upgrades for any software within the last two months before a release because they want to make sure everything actually works
[18:52] <mzz> Xs3s3: did this involve waiting? Iirc there's a timeout on that message.
[18:52] <domjohnson> lol
[18:52] <Xs3s3> mzz, i booted using the last kernel before the upgrade
[18:52] <mzz> sikor_sxe: pastebin menu.lst?
[18:52] <CrocoJet> adelie42, ok, I hope
[18:52] <adelie42> CrocoJet: sorry I can't remember the site, but the directions on how to get it installed were very simple
[18:52] <mzz> Xs3s3: I've now lost track of what state you're in. You'll have to re-explain if there's a problem left.
[18:52] <CrocoJet> adelie42, dont worry, thanks
[18:52] <sikor_sxe> mzz: should i try to install grub2 to mbr?
[18:53] <mzz> sikor_sxe: I would
[18:53] <Xs3s3> mzz, i think domjohnson just solved it.
[18:53] <mzz> Xs3s3: how?
[18:53] <Xs3s3> mzz, update-grub2
[18:53] <mzz> err, weird
[18:53] <domjohnson> lol
[18:53]  * mzz wonders if the grub.cfg he looked at was being ignored
[18:53] <blizzkid> lo all. I'm trying to et my scanner working. sane-find-scanner lists my usb webcam and my usb scanner. same for scanimage -L, but when I try to scan with xsane (after selecting the scanner), I get an error "failed to set value of option br-x". Any ideas on how to solve this?
[18:54] <Jaymac> does anyone know how to change the default app that opens upon insertion of an ipod?
[18:54] <adelie42> If I have two mirrors of the same repository in my sources.list, will it try to distribute the downloads between them? I am noticing the US servers are being hit really hard.
[18:54] <domjohnson> I can't believe i've solved 2 problems in the last 2 days!
[18:54] <domjohnson> :P
[18:54] <Xs3s3> LOL
[18:54] <mzz> Jaymac: open a random nautilus window and go to edit -> preferences -> rightmost tab (I think it's "media")
[18:54] <Jaymac> it automatically opens banshee, but now that banshee doesn't pick up ipods i have had to siwtch back to rhythmbox
[18:54] <Xs3s3> domjohnson, i just spent forever and a year.
[18:54] <Jaymac> mzz, cool thanks
[18:54] <Xs3s3> actually
[18:54] <Xs3s3> if I boot the pae- kernel
[18:54] <Jaymac> mzz, hero :)
[18:54] <Xs3s3> it still does not work.
[18:55] <Xs3s3> but the old server kernel does.
[18:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: fun! compared the grub entries for both?
[18:55] <domjohnson> ohhh
[18:55] <domjohnson> Did i just give advice to someone using a server?
[18:55] <domjohnson> Yikes...
[18:55] <domjohnson> lo.l
[18:55] <Xs3s3> mzz, in grub.cfg
[18:55] <mzz> Xs3s3: in grub.cfg *assuming* you get grub 2 (check the version number at the top of the grub menu)
[18:55] <mzz> domjohnson: meh, servers are just computers too
[18:56] <domjohnson> lol
[18:56] <domjohnson> Yeah, but i could kill Google!
[18:56]  * domjohnson smiles evilly
[18:56] <domjohnson> evily?
[18:56] <maxb> Is there any easy way to get back madwifi on Karmic? My hardware really doesn't like ath5k.
[18:57] <domjohnson> The new software center is awesome
[18:57] <domjohnson> :)
[18:57] <mzz> huh, the nl mirror seems to be suffering a bit too
[18:57] <domjohnson> hello faemir
[18:57] <mzz> and that's two days before release, that's going to be painful :(
[18:57]  * maxb is very thankful to live in London
[18:58] <mzz> well, it's not like london is far away network-wise, so I could use its mirror
[18:58] <mzz> I just doubt it'd help
[18:58] <blizzkid> mzz: I hardly ever use Belgian mirror, but prefer Sweden for speed
[18:58] <mzz> perhaps I'll just switch to an nl mirror that isn't as obvious as nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:58]  * poningru wonders when ubuntu is going to throw its weight behind apt-torrent
[18:58] <blizzkid> although I am in Belgium
[18:58] <faemir> Hi, i'm on karmic and my fonts are messed up, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303018/
[18:58] <maxb> It amuses me that occasionally gb.archive is more up to date that archive.
[18:58] <maxb> *than
[18:59] <poningru> heh
[18:59] <sikor_sxe> mzz: update-from-legacy grub made it work
[18:59] <sikor_sxe> thx
[18:59] <mzz> hum
[18:59] <mzz> faemir: can you pastebin your /usr/share/perl/5.10/File/Copy.pm ? It reads as if that file got corrupted somehow.
[18:59] <ponting> can u suggest best mirror for india ..in.archive.ubuntu is too slow..
[19:00] <daf_> I want to do a minimal install of karmic. is there a minimal image. I can't seem to find it.
[19:00] <maxb> A CD is pretty minimal for an OS these days
[19:00] <Pici> !repomirror | ponting
[19:00] <daf_> lol... no I want a barebones install
[19:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, ok its booted on pae, kernel.
[19:00] <Xs3s3> mzz, good to go im guessing.
[19:00] <mzz> faemir: or force a reinstall of the package owning that file
[19:01] <poningru> daf_, you mean just a server install?
[19:01] <maxb> I don't think Ubuntu has any analogue to Debian's netinst
[19:01] <daf_> ponigru... well for jaunty for example there is actually an image called minimal
[19:01] <Pici> daf_: Its not released yet, so this is probably the RC, but you'll want mini.iso in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:02] <maxb> oh, wow, there is one
[19:02] <Xs3s3> mzz, whats the update grub from legacy command?
[19:02] <faemir> mzz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/303021/
[19:02] <mzz> Xs3s3: I don't know, I didn't. Probably what sikor_sxe just said though.
[19:02] <daf_> Pici ... thanks.... I'm looking for the amd64
[19:03] <Pici> daf_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[19:04] <kaddi> hi, I need help with grub and my 2 windows installations (since karmic is running fine :p ). Somehow my google-skills arent at their best today. :/ I have XP and Win7 installed and want to use grub as a bootloader, but I can't get this to work. I've got one entry for XP which takes me to the windows bootmanager (which I would like to get rid of) and one entry for win7, which is identical to winxp except that i adapted the partition number. When I select win7
[19:04] <kaddi> I get an error message
[19:04] <daf_> Thanks Pici
[19:04] <daf_> so oct 17 is the latest image I take it.
[19:04] <daf_> is there a daily somewhere?
[19:04] <daf_> I guess it won't really matter.
[19:06] <m0ar> I'm having slight trouble with some apps closing themselves without warning.. For now only Quod Libet, skype 2.1beta and wine-steam have done it. Any ideas?
[19:06] <Mohero> just wanted to say - big thanks for whoever decided to bring back the PPC version! you are my saviour!
[19:06] <mzz> faemir: yeah, a bogus "`" somehow ended up in there (around line 235). I'd apt-get install --reinstall perl-modules.
[19:06] <Mohero> well, as long as it installs.... - it's nearly there :)
[19:07] <mzz> m0ar: anything interesting in either ~/.xsession-errors or dmesg (since segfaults show up in dmesg these days)?
[19:07] <mzz> faemir: (I'd also run a hd check, like fsck and/or smartctl -t long, in case something's wrong at that level)
[19:08] <faemir> mzz, cheers, that worked.
[19:08] <m0ar> mzz: I don't recall even touching these, what are they?
[19:08] <mzz> m0ar: logfiles :)
[19:08] <mzz> well, not really a "file" for dmesg, but still
[19:08] <yoasif> im getting segfaults when opening firefox
[19:08] <domjohnson> Oh, damn
[19:08] <yoasif> any ideas?
[19:08] <domjohnson> I have no sound!
[19:08] <faemir> domjohnson, me neither: )
[19:09] <yoasif> i completely removed it and reinstalled it
[19:09] <yoasif> no dice
[19:09] <domjohnson> This was the main reason why i did a fresh install
[19:09] <domjohnson> :@
[19:09] <domjohnson> Yoasif
[19:09] <domjohnson> try installing another web browser
[19:09] <yoasif> domjohnson, hey
[19:09] <domjohnson> See if that works
[19:09] <yoasif> domjohnson, but i want to run firefox
[19:09] <yoasif> heh
[19:09] <yoasif> swiftfox works
[19:09] <domjohnson> Swiftfox?
[19:09] <yoasif> i want to run firefox though
[19:09] <domjohnson> Is it 3.5?
[19:10] <faemir> it's a custom compiled version for the particular processor you use
[19:10] <domjohnson> Ok
[19:10] <yoasif> http://getswiftfox.com/ not in repos
[19:10] <domjohnson> Do you not like swiftfox?
[19:10] <faemir> another problem I have is that my notifications are apparently in the wrong place unless this is deliberate http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123683/Screenshot.png
[19:10] <yoasif> it's not about that -- firefox does not work
[19:10] <yoasif> this is a problem
[19:10] <yoasif> heh
[19:10] <domjohnson> (I'm just buying time while someone tells you how to do it. I'm a linux noob :))
[19:11] <faemir> yoasif, just an idea, have you tried getting the static build of firefox from mozilla.com ?
[19:11] <yoasif> faemir, also works
[19:11] <yoasif> the one from the ubuntu repos does not work
[19:12] <coz_> can any one else confirm that libtranslate is not working?
[19:12] <mbeierl> faemir: that is apparently deliberate.  Check what happens when you increase volume/brightness or change network state.  The notification appears in the "space" above the notification shown in your screenshot
[19:12] <coz_> nevernind
[19:13] <domjohnson> So...will our sound problem be fixed in the final, faemir?
[19:14] <faemir> mbeierl, a-ha, thanks :)
[19:14] <knarfix> hi
[19:14] <faemir> domjohnson, I don't know, what soundcard are you using? I'm on a soundblaster audigy
[19:14] <yoasif> is there a mozillateam irc chan?
[19:14] <mbeierl> faemir: welcome ;)
[19:14] <domjohnson> Just a built in one for the motherboard
[19:14] <faemir> domjohnson, ah :( have you checked that everything is up and not muted in alsamixer?
[19:14] <domjohnson> No, just got it
[19:14] <domjohnson> 'sec
[19:15] <knarfix> hi, how do i find out what graphic card the pc has?
[19:15] <domjohnson> Got it working
[19:15] <domjohnson> lol
[19:15] <domjohnson> thanks faemir!
[19:16] <faemir> domjohnson, now to fix mine D:
[19:16] <Lint01> after recent update both my mouse and keyboard stopped working. what the fuck?
[19:17] <Pici> Lint01: Please mind your language here.
[19:17] <kubuntuser> knarfix: why do you need to know what graphics card you have? I would use lshw
[19:17] <domjohnson> hmm....try running dmesg?
[19:17] <faemir> yay it worked
[19:17] <domjohnson> Lint01 - indeed.
[19:17] <faemir> and killed my eardrums in the process
[19:17] <domjohnson> What worked?
[19:17] <faemir> my sound
[19:17] <domjohnson> Oh...how?
[19:17] <domjohnson> Sound control?
[19:18] <faemir> changed the profile to digital stereo duplex
[19:18] <domjohnson> ok
[19:18] <domjohnson> :)
[19:18] <faemir> though I would like my 5.1 support preferably
[19:18] <domjohnson> Yeah...
[19:18] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: wanter to see if i can get a driver for it........composit does not work...i get a distorted screen when i enable it in gconf editor
[19:18] <domjohnson> Try installing Jackctl
[19:18] <domjohnson> no
[19:18] <domjohnson> sorry
[19:18] <domjohnson> Qjackctl
[19:18] <domjohnson> And starting that
[19:18] <kubuntuser> knarfix: did you try the restricted drivers manager?
[19:19] <domjohnson> You will have to close firefox and other web drivers and media players first, though
[19:19] <mykola> so... anyone know how to stop modules from being loaded on boot in Karmic? Blacklisting doesn't work :(
[19:19] <TheSeeker1> Hi.  Any tricks to fixing the slow internet connection with 9.10 rc?
[19:19] <kubuntuser> knarfix: http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=114
[19:19] <faemir> domjohnson, okay started, now what?
[19:19] <domjohnson> Oooh cool! You can mute individual applications now!
[19:19] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: no not yet....will do it now :)
[19:19] <mykola> domjohnson: O.o
[19:19] <domjohnson> Hang on...you downloaded and installed it and started it in that time?
[19:20] <domjohnson> Damn i can't remember...
[19:20] <faemir> sudo aptitude install qjackctl, alt+f2 qjackctl :P
[19:20] <domjohnson> System has 6 outputs
[19:20] <domjohnson> So thats for surround, but...umm....
[19:20] <domjohnson> Sorry...
[19:20] <knarfix> kubuntuser: thanks :)
[19:20] <kubuntuser> knarfix: I am exremely impressed with (k)ubuntu. The first time I installed it, I needed to use the cli to install the driver
[19:21] <kubuntuser> knarfix: the second time, I used the restricted driver manager and the new xorg safemode
[19:21] <kubuntuser> knarfix: this time, I was not even in safemode :-)
[19:21] <hanasaki> where do I set the gdm look and feel?
[19:21] <domjohnson> Have you tried Gnome, Kubuntuser?
[19:21] <knarfix> kubuntuser: i tried the kubuntu live cd...it did not work....distorted bar at the bottom......
[19:21] <mbeierl> TheSeeker1: what slow internet connection?  Is there a specific known issue on that?
[19:21] <knarfix> now using ubuntu
[19:21] <kubuntuser> domjohnson: I used to use it
[19:22] <mykola> So I actually have this problem in 9.04 and 9.10 . I've got a picky broadcom card which needed it's own custom built kernel module. So I built it and modprobed it with http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt
[19:22] <kubuntuser> knarfix: odd...
[19:22] <kubuntuser> domjohnson: I have switched desktop enviornments as much as distrobutions. I at one point was even using icewm
[19:22] <mykola> but now it won't *stay* loaded when i restart the box. I had Sorcerer and Slackware on this box before, and had no problems with auto loading the driver, but I suppose ubuntu (and possibly debian) uses a different system?
[19:23]  * kubuntuser misses the speed
[19:23] <mykola> it keeps trying to load ssb all the time, though I've added it to a custom blacklist file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-custom.conf
[19:24] <domjohnson> My internet connection is about 3Mbs
[19:24] <domjohnson> So i usually  get a download speed of about 100KB/s
[19:24] <TheSeeker1> mbelerl:  When I try to surf with Firefox it just seems sluggish whether it's by wifi or ethernet.
[19:24] <domjohnson> Which SUUCKKKSSS
[19:24] <Italian_Plumber> what's the size of a fresh karmic install?
[19:25] <kubuntuser> Italian_Plumber: I installed a few things and I am using 3.7GB
[19:25] <hanasaki> where do files printed to the PDF cups printer go?
[19:25] <Lint01> why that junk stopped working with my keyboard and mouse?
[19:25] <faemir> don't suppose anyone knows what this id3 tag demuxer is that rhythmbox keeps whining about getting?
[19:25] <kubuntuser> hanasaki: ~/PDF?
[19:26] <hanasaki> kubuntuser:  ya that's what the docs say.. but the test doesn't go there :(
[19:26] <knarfix> kubuntuuser: guess i will have to wait for an update :)
[19:26] <mykola> so... do you think that my problem has anything to do with Ubuntu's new init replacement?
[19:26] <mykola> or maybe I'm just blacklisting wrong :(
[19:27] <mykola> the thing is, right now i have to rmmod ssb, depmod, then modprobe wl and modprobe lib80211 before I want to use my wireless card. it's quite possibly the most annoying thing ever (and I'd rather not write a shell script and run it myself... I'd just like it to load the proper module on boot like it's supposed to)
[19:28] <faemir> also, I can't use my mouse with flash plugin 64bit now, I have to use spacebar to pause.
[19:28] <knarfix> cant find /etc/X11/xorg.conf .....
[19:28] <Italian_Plumber> thanks kubuntususer.  My 8GB HD says its' full.. soemthing esle must be wrong
[19:29] <mykola> knarfix: iirc, ubuntu stopped using one to set up it's default xorg stuff... I think you can make one and change what you need to
[19:29] <kubuntuser> knarfix: I did not believe that file exists anymore
[19:30] <knarfix> i see ok fine.....seems they changed a lot of things....pc is much faster
[19:30] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: did you test that your internet is working at all?
[19:30] <user_> Hi everybody anybody knows why 9.10 does not recognize ANY usb thing in my netbook?
[19:30] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, try installing firefox version 3.7
[19:30] <mykola> user_: you in the correct group?
[19:31] <user_> (I also saw another user with this same issue)
[19:31] <Spectrumx> Yeah im using a windows machine right now and its working fine
[19:31] <user_> mykola: in what sense?
[19:31] <mykola> as in user/group permissions sense
[19:31] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: that was not my question. Is it localized to firefox or the OS?
[19:31] <user_> mykola: I simply upgraded to 9.10
[19:31] <user_> mykola: so what could be happened?
[19:32] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, windows is alot differnt than Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[19:32] <user_> mykola: what should I do to check?
[19:32] <kubuntuser> Spectrumx: can you ping google in linux?
[19:32] <Spectrumx> I might just be firefox... I can ping the site just fine
[19:32] <rquire> hello I have switched from gnome to KDE... where do I find update-manager?
[19:32] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, ill pm you
[19:32] <mykola> user_: hmm... try this. go to System>Administration?Users and Groups
[19:32] <user_> mykola are you there?
[19:32] <Lint01> how can I fix my issue with mouse and keyboard?!
[19:32] <TheSeeker1> It's just weird that firefox runs slower on 9.10 than in 9.04.
[19:32] <user_> mykola ok thx
[19:33] <user_> :)
[19:33] <darrend> I cannopt suspend (at all - just blanks the screen) on a Dell M6300.  This worked flawlessly under Jaunty.  Any known issues?
[19:33] <mykola> user_: (was trying to decide if i should give you terminal instructions or graphical ones :D decided on graphical)
[19:33] <kubuntuser> rquire: k menu -> applications -> system -> Software Management
[19:33] <commander_> will 9.10 work seamlessly w/windows 7?
[19:33] <kubuntuser> rquire: or just alt+f2 then type "software management" (no quotes)
[19:34] <mykola> user_: once you are there, highlight your username, click properties, and go to the User Privileges tab
[19:34] <user_> mykola ok hehe :) I check what you said
[19:34] <user_> ok
[19:34] <mykola> user_: is "Access external storage devices automatically" checked?
[19:34] <kubuntuser> commander_: they are completely seperate. They can both be installed on a machine, but not run at the same time
[19:34] <NiteSnow> Spectrumx, check my pm
[19:34] <user_> mykola yes it is
[19:35] <knarfix> TheSeeker1: firefox is real fast now.....maybe you could change .mozilla-firefox to -old and try.....guess some of your addons are creating problems
[19:35] <mykola> user_: ok then. how many hard drives are in your computer? :)
[19:35] <commander_> i know i meant when i get the upgrade will i be able to install 9.10 inside it?
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: however, the beta (at least for me) did not detect windows when I installed. All I had to do was run a command in ubuntu to fix that.
[19:35] <mykola> user_: oh wait... ANY usb thing (not just portable media)
[19:35] <mykola> user_: so, no USB mouse or anything like that?
[19:35] <user_> mykola: just one :) but i connect usb wireless pendrive, printer, and nothing works. they worked before
[19:35] <MaT-dg> is keyserver.ubuntu.com having trouble?
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: you mean wuki or whatever it is called?
[19:35] <commander_> yes
[19:35] <kubuntuser> commander_: wubi*
[19:36] <kubuntuser> commander_: you should be able to, I do not see why not
[19:36] <user_> mykola: yes I mean only usb devices to attach externally
[19:36] <mykola> user_:  hmm... can you stick a pen drive in there and do "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" for me? :)
[19:36] <user_> yes ok
[19:36] <user_> :)
[19:36] <commander_> ok. i just got to upgrade my HDD from 250gb to 500gb
[19:36] <kubuntuser> user_: plug something in and tell me what happens when you type lsusb in the terminal
[19:37] <TheSeeker1> knarfix:  I don't really have any addons.  It just seems like it has to think about what it's doing before it actually goes to the website.  I just didn't know if it could be my computer or if there is a bug or something.  I've tried live cd, installed it and it's slow even with chromium, Opera etc...
[19:37] <mykola> user_: that one also works (lsusb)
[19:37] <yofel> MaT-dg: if you get timeouts, yes, it's a bit unstable in the las few weeks
[19:38] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: might be trying connection through ipv6 first
[19:38] <mykola> an aside: the time for me right now is 13:37 ... I feel magical
[19:38] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  how would I change that?  Or is that something that needs to be enabled?
[19:39] <dmatt> search for ipv6 in config:about and change its value
[19:39] <MaT-dg> yofel: yes, trying to add a key in console and getting errors. Also not loading (or veeery slow) in browser
[19:39] <user_> mykola, kubuntuser: oh, right, i can't mount the things bcos are not block devices lol i forgot; however, they are not recognized by the dmesg command. neither by sudo tail -f /var/log/messages neither by lsusb
[19:39] <TheSeeker1> dmatt: what do I change the value to?
[19:40] <mykola> user_: heh. oops. ok then, err... hmm... gunna have to do some research
[19:40] <dmatt> when you click it it changes (i think it's true or false only)
[19:40] <user_> mykola, kubuntuser: seems like upgrading to 9.10 made usb unusable
[19:40] <patcito> hi
[19:40] <patcito> does syncing notes and contacts work with kubuntu and ubuntu one?
[19:40] <user_> mykola tahnks
[19:40] <user_> *thanks
[19:41] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  do I need to do that also in Chromium or Opera if I choose to use either one of those?
[19:41] <patcito> by notes I mean knotes
[19:41] <kubuntuser> user_: maybe you should submit a bug report? I am going to also try to look up why that would happen
[19:41] <billybigrigger1> hmmm
[19:41] <billybigrigger1> anyone here using opera?
[19:41] <user_> mykola, look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1281046 another user with same issue
[19:41] <nemo> billybigrigger1: too buggy :-/
[19:41] <yofel> MaT-dg: try the mirrors here if you can't get a key http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1273437
[19:42] <dmatt> did it help? it would be best to disable ipv6 completely in your install
[19:42] <bjsnider> opera is not supported by the canonical megacorporation
[19:42] <yofel> billybigrigger1: from time to time...
[19:42] <user_> kubuntuser do you have the same issue then?
[19:42] <mykola> user_: yeah, found a different thread. but you said that the usb device doesn't show in lspci, lsusb, or anything with dmesg?
[19:42] <MaT-dg> yofel: it's ok, it finally loaded in browser and added the key manually. thx :)
[19:42] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:  how would I disable it completely in my install?
[19:42] <mykola> user_: check your BIOS maybe? :)
[19:42] <nemo> billybigrigger1: too buggy, too closed source, too opaque of bug reporting... :-p
[19:42] <user_> mykola yeah right does not show up neither with dmesg or something
[19:42] <mykola> user_: the thread i found http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1250111.html
[19:42] <kubuntuser> user_: I have no issues, but I did a clean install and have different hardware
[19:43] <yofel> nemo: but it has the best IE support *fg*
[19:43] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: sorry, I do not know, try google
[19:43] <user_> mykola, why BOIS? :-? they wrked before i did the upgrade :/
[19:43] <mykola> user_: kubuntuser: Clean installs are definitely easier to work with :)
[19:43] <user_> *worked
[19:43] <user_> :)
[19:43] <TheSeeker1> dmatt:...will do.  Thanks again for your help.
[19:44] <mykola> user_: heh, i know. But if ubuntu doesn't see the USB drives at all (not even a note in dmesg), something is blocking it before it gets to the OS.
[19:44] <kubuntuser> mykola: or it is a driver issue
[19:44] <mykola> user_: maybe try a clean install (back up home) and see what happens?
[19:44] <user_> mykola uhm
[19:44] <mykola> aah wait.
[19:44] <mykola> what kind of netbook do you have?
[19:45] <user_> mykola: msi wind u100
[19:45] <user_> :)
[19:45] <dmatt> TheSeeker1: :) just pointed possibility...
[19:45] <user_> mykola: because it seems strange to me that the bios is blocking anything... i dont think upgrading to 9.10 would touch somthing in the bios...
[19:46] <mykola> user_: there's a known bug about this netbook
[19:46] <user_> :)
[19:46] <mykola> not a bios issue
[19:46] <knarfix> i installed xubuntu-desktop. now when i log off i get the xubuntu login screen. how does one get the ubuntu log in screen back?
[19:46] <user_> ow
[19:46] <user_> :/
[19:46] <mykola> user_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/455408
[19:46] <user_> mykola: yeah thx for link i check
[19:46] <user_> *for the
[19:47] <user_> mykola thanks so much, man
[19:47] <jbeitler> Did 9.10 turn into an LTS? Did I miss something?
[19:47] <ikt> no
[19:47] <kubuntuser> jbeitler: no
[19:47] <ikt> 10.04 will be the next LTS
[19:47] <mykola> user_: heh... thx, tho i did make myself look like a fool :P BIOS issues :P
[19:47] <yofel> jbeitler: it did not, 10.04 will be the next LTS
[19:47] <jbeitler> I didn't think so
[19:47] <ikt> did you read about it on a lifehacker article?
[19:47] <kubuntuser> !helpersnack | mykola
[19:47] <user_> mykola: hehe :) ;)
[19:47] <jbeitler> something like that
[19:47] <mykola> !hug | kubuntuser
[19:48] <mykola> aww
[19:48] <mykola> we need to teach ubottu to love
[19:48] <ikt> !emotionlessbot
[19:48] <mykola> !the_ladies
[19:48] <jbeitler> I just thought maybe I slept through something.. ok I am better
[19:48] <ikt> !cookie
[19:48] <yofel> !me
[19:48] <ikt> lol
[19:48] <mykola> ok
[19:48] <mykola> no more abusing ubottu :P
[19:48] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[19:48] <mykola> no... only a fool would use Kubuntu
[19:49] <kubuntuser> skreech: nope. Don't see anyone here
[19:49] <knarfix> lol
[19:49] <skreech> mykola: ubottu is female
[19:49] <user_> hehe funny people, men ;)
[19:49] <kubuntuser> mykola: that hurt
[19:49] <mykola> !cookie | kubuntuser
[19:49] <yofel> skreech: some of us :P
[19:49] <kubuntuser> skreech: we are in the minority
[19:49] <skreech> Can I ask you to test something?
[19:49]  * yofel slaps mykola with a Kubuntu logo ;)
[19:49] <skreech>  it's slightly disruptive though :)
[19:49] <knarfix> skreech: dont worry
[19:49] <mykola> yofel: OW! that thing is spiky :P so many sharp edges
[19:49] <skreech> mykola: Only fools use LInux :)
[19:49]  * user_ was talking about the ubottu thing obviously :)
[19:49] <mykola> anyway... Any help with my module loading problem?
[19:50] <kubuntuser> mykola: what is your problem?
[19:50] <mykola> can't seem to blacklist stuff anymore and I don't know how the new system works :(
[19:50] <skreech> Can You log out and at the KDM choose a failsafe session and try and login
[19:50] <skreech>  See if it kicks you back out to KDM
[19:50] <mykola> kubuntuser: using a custom compiled broadcom driver from their website. But ubuntu won't stop loading ssb (which doesn't work)
[19:50] <knarfix> mykola: been using linux since about 10 years. not an expert. but compared to my windows buddies i have lesser problems :D
[19:51] <mykola> knarfix: ^_^ been a linux user for only 3 years now. Only really use windows to develop a Neverwinter Nights module
[19:51] <user_> skreech, why don't you like linux? what do you use then?
[19:51] <mykola> user_: he's a BeOS user
[19:51] <kubuntuser> mykola: you need to add blacklist ssb to a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[19:52] <user_> ah ok
[19:52] <mykola> kubuntuser: I did. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-custom.conf contains blacklist ssb
[19:52] <skreech> mykola: Haiku!
[19:52] <user_> :)
[19:52] <kh_pylon> how can I get 9.10 to set the permissions on /dev/nvidia* to 664 on start-up?
[19:52] <kubuntuser> mykola: odd...
[19:52] <mykola> skreech: bah. Haiku is for noobs. BeOS is where the real 1337 h4X0rz live
[19:52] <mykola> 'n I'mma stop making myself look a fool now
[19:52] <skreech> In Palm's Software division?
[19:53] <skreech> Hooray and KDE can be ported to Haiku now :)
[19:53] <mykola> kubuntuser: the only thing I can think of is that the new upstart thing that ubuntu has switched to uses a different system
[19:53] <exiton> is there some way i can set the preference for the notifications?
[19:54] <Sensiva> I tried the RC release of Karmic and would like to file few comments (I don't know if they are bugs, or just me stupid as usual)
[19:54] <Sensiva> Any ideas where to file those comments?
[19:54] <mykola> kubuntuser: or maybe I have to chmod it to something wierd? right now it's owned by root:root
[19:54] <mykola> and doesn't have executables
[19:54] <mykola> executable* permissions
[19:54] <kubuntuser> mykola: it does not need +x
[19:54] <skreech> Sensiva: Here
[19:55] <kubuntuser> mykola: and who owns it is irrelavent
[19:55] <Sensiva> skreech sure?
[19:55] <skreech> Anyone using kubuntu can do a 5 minute disruptive test for me?
[19:55] <skreech> Sensiva: We can direct you better after hearinf the comments
[19:55] <mykola> kubuntuser: that's what I thought... so is modprobe skipping over it or something?
[19:56] <mykola> kubuntuser: I've also tried putting a symbolic link to a script i wrote (to automate the entire thing) into /rc.d/rc3.d (named it S99bcomwl) and chmodded it +x
[19:57] <knarfix> going to have a beer. cheers folks :)
[19:57] <lsolesen1> wanted to upgrade to karmic beta, but it cannot fetch some things. Got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1645546
[19:57] <lsolesen1> Anyone can help?
[19:57] <mykola> kubuntuser: though if ubuntu got rid of init, then i don't think that would ever work
[19:57] <kubuntuser> mykola: init did not fall off the face of the earth. It still implements everything init does :-)
[19:58] <mykola> kubuntuser: cool... though I'm still confused about this issue :(
[19:58] <Sensiva> ok, I tried both Karmic RC LiveCD and alternate clean install, both of them after restart gave me this error "[drm:intelfb_restore] *ERROR* Failed to restore crtc configuration : -22"  this error msg kept scrolling like crazy till I pressed CTRL+ALT+DEL
[19:59] <kubuntuser> mykola: first of all, you put it in rc3.d? not rc2.d?
[19:59] <Sensiva> one more thing, GRUB2 takes about 45 seconds to show the boot list, and about 30 seconds to load the kernel and making the hard drive spin so fast
[20:00] <mykola> kubuntuser: I don't think I should have to put anything into rc.d but yeah. runlevel 3 is what you usually run in ubuntu right? (some are 4)
[20:00] <skreech> Sensiva: Umm ok you have a Motherboard driver issue
[20:00] <mykola> runlevel 2 is singleuser, though I could see why you'd be modprobing stuff in there
[20:00] <skreech> I'm going to bet the Intel bus
[20:00] <kubuntuser> mykola: no, runlevel 2 is normal
[20:00] <mykola> kubuntuser: O.o
[20:00] <kubuntuser> runlevel 1 is single
[20:00] <kubuntuser> 0 is shutdown
[20:01] <mykola> thought runlevel 1 just started everything?
[20:01] <kubuntuser> 6 is reboot
[20:01] <mykola> gah... it's different for every distro :P
[20:01] <skreech> mykola: No it's not
[20:01] <skreech> That's POSIX
[20:01] <mykola> ?
[20:01] <kubuntuser> mykola: runlevel 1 is ALWAYS single
[20:01] <mzz> Sensiva: I'd file a bug with information about your hardware
[20:01] <skreech> it's the same for any UNIX or Linux or Mnix or somethingsomethingx
[20:01] <mykola> CentOS was definitely not set up that way
[20:01] <skreech> mykola: It was and still is
[20:01] <mykola> or maybe I'm going insane
[20:01] <mzz> mykola: the ones in the middle may differ, but the singleuser, reboot and shutdown ones tend to match, afaik.
[20:02] <mykola> i dunno, i definitely forgot half of my Zip Code just last week
[20:02] <skreech> mykola: 0 is shutdown 1 is single user 6 is reboot
[20:02] <skreech> Everytime
[20:02] <kubuntuser> mykola: runlevel 2 is normal in debian, 3 is cli in rh, and 5 is full gui in rh
[20:02] <quentusrex> IndyGunFreak, Docteh you still around?
[20:02] <skreech> 2 3 4 5 are differnet
[20:02] <bucky> skreech, yes it is different.. because debian only goes up to runlevel 2 for graphic mode
[20:02] <mykola> k thx
[20:02] <Sensiva> skreech Its a Dell Optiplex 755 with Intel 82Q35 VGA chipset, and I am using Hardy (working perfectly), I tried intrepid and Jaunty, it was fine too, except it needed some mods in xorg.conf to enable high resolution, but I am sticking to Hardy
[20:02] <mykola> ok , got it now
[20:02] <quentusrex> I've been able to debug the system more... There is NO networking when the 'blackout starts'
[20:02] <skreech> bucky: No 0 is shutdown 1 is single user and 6 is reboot
[20:02] <Sensiva> mzz Where to file this bug?
[20:02] <mykola> anyway, that's really not the point. I don't think i should have to be putting any scripts into rc.d
[20:02] <skreech> Everytime
[20:02] <kubuntuser> mykola: the point is that 2 is normal. So I would look there
[20:02] <skreech> 2 3 4 5 do whatever
[20:02] <mzz> Sensiva: ubuntu-bug grub-pc
[20:03] <bucky> skreech, type runlevel   which runlevel are you at?
[20:03] <mykola> the system SHOULD modprobe the correct module without me messing with the runlevel scripts
[20:03] <kubuntuser> mykola: true :-P
[20:03] <Sensiva> mzz you are assuming that Karmic is up, but its not, I wasn;t able to drop to shell either
[20:03] <skreech> bucky: Ubuntu isn't no longer a POSIX sysV system since they started using upstarrt
[20:03] <bucky> skreech, type runlevel   which runlevel are you at?
[20:03] <kubuntuser> mykola: besides, rc.local runs on all of them :-P
[20:03] <quentusrex> Guys, where do I report possible major bugs?
[20:03] <kubuntuser> quentusrex: launchpad
[20:04] <quentusrex> I have a bug where every ~30 minutes the networking blacks out.
[20:04] <quentusrex> Nothing in or out,
[20:04] <mzz> Sensiva: I'm sorry, you're not allowed to file bugs. Well, you're strongly discouraged from filing bugs. At least that's the impression I've been getting.
[20:04] <skreech> 2
[20:04] <topyli> debian always runs at runlevel unless you change it
[20:04] <topyli> runlevel 2 even
[20:04] <quentusrex> but after about 5 minutes all connections come back up.
[20:04] <blizzkid> I'm trying to et my scanner working. sane-find-scanner lists my usb webcam and my usb scanner. same for scanimage -L, but when I try to scan with xsane (after selecting the scanner),  I get an error "failed to set value of option br-x". Any ideas on how to solve this
[20:04] <blizzkid> ?
[20:04] <mzz> Sensiva: if you go to bugs.ubuntu.com, click "report a bug" to the right, and then scroll almost all the way to the bottom, you'll finde the super-secret bugreporting link.
[20:04] <mykola> mzz: ubuntu has no bugs. If you report one, then you are a traitor to the state and must be eradicated.
[20:04] <skreech> mykola: It has one bug. Bug One
[20:04] <mzz> !bugone
[20:04] <mzz> :(
[20:05] <kubuntuser> mzz: that is a joke bug
[20:05] <mzz> kubuntuser: I know
[20:05] <blizzkid> kubuntuser: that's NOT a joke!
[20:05] <topyli> bug 1 is no joke :(
[20:05] <Sensiva> mzz I don't get it why I am strongly discouraged from filling bugs?
[20:05] <mzz> Sensiva: sorry, sore point.
[20:05] <blizzkid> it's a *very* serious bug
[20:05] <[GuS]> hi guys, today i've installed karmic RC1 and Inkscape does not work saying when i execute under a console: "bus error"
[20:05] <kubuntuser> !bug 1
[20:05] <Sensiva> :\
[20:06] <mzz> Sensiva: just go to bugs.ubuntu.com and click "report a bug" to the right. After reading most of the wiki page you're taken to you may feel the same way I do.
[20:06] <hanasaki> in koala where do you set the gdm theme?
[20:06] <skreech> bucky: The discussion was not about runlevel 2 it was about runlevel 1 having GUI
[20:06] <mykola> kubuntuser: speaking of the rc scripts... any idea why other distros would get rid of them sometimes? O.o I was running Sorcerer and a slackware-based distro called Wolvix, and every few weeks every custom thing that I put into the rc3 vanished (those two just happened to drop GUI login into rc3)
[20:06] <mzz> (seriously, "Use the menu - try this first!" when your system won't boot is somewhat insulting, imho)
[20:06] <mykola> (or at least when I put the scripts into rc3 they would work at least)
[20:06] <kubuntuser> mykola: no idea
[20:06] <skreech> Sorceror is source based?
[20:06] <mykola> skreech: yeah
[20:07] <mzz> mykola: ask their support, that's almost certainly package-manager-specific.
[20:07] <mykola> heh i'm not messing around with those now
[20:07] <topyli> mykola, slackware uses bsd init not sysv
[20:07] <mzz> mykola: and/or they have some utility that they want you to use to manage that directory
[20:07] <kh_pylon> how can I get karmic to set the permissions on /dev/nvidia* to 664 on start-up? they always come up 660
[20:08] <mykola> sorcerer just randomly decided to kernel panic one day (don't remember changing anything)
[20:08] <skreech> mykola: Wow 3 years into Linux and running source based? that's pretty neat
[20:08] <mykola> wolvix was nice, but karmic is better for me
[20:08] <lsolesen1> wanted to upgrade to karmic beta, but it cannot fetch some things. Got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1645546
[20:08] <mykola> skreech: heh. I got a pretty good environment going. though i was depressed when it randomly started to kernel panic on boot and I lost 2 months of tweaking/making it work
[20:09] <mykola> skreech: learned a lot about linux O.o
[20:09] <skreech> You would
[20:09] <skreech> and about computers
[20:09] <skreech> I lioves my Linux :)
[20:09]  * kubuntuser loves his linux
[20:10] <mykola> skreech: aye. It's actually a REALLY fun source based to get into, though support is next to none... their project suffered massive fragmentation into 3 distinct distros... I'm pretty sure that I was 1/20th of sorcerers userbase
[20:10] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, that should have been done by the nvidia installation package
[20:10] <mykola> I'm just not ready to spend 2 more months of my time setting it up perfectly again :P
[20:10] <skreech> mykola: tried Sourcemage?
[20:11] <mykola> skreech: yeah, it's one of the fragments. I liked the original sorcerer better though
[20:11] <bucky> slitaz is better and it's in unetbootin
[20:11] <mykola> skreech: lunar linux is the other one
[20:11] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: the devices don't exist until dkms runs during boot
[20:11] <mykola> ANYWAY... so I'm stuck with ubuntu trying to load that damned ssb module every time it boots?
[20:11] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, dkms does not run at boot time
[20:12] <kubuntuser> mykola: I have used too many distros to count
[20:12] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, try reinstalling the nvidia driver package (nvidia-glx-185)
[20:12] <bucky> mykola, put it in /etc/modules
[20:12] <skreech> Anyone using Kubuntu?
[20:12] <mykola> kubuntuser: heh... when I just started i swear i tried like... 10 before i settled on ubuntu
[20:13] <bjsnider> mykola, which 10?
[20:13] <bucky> mykola, maybe someone in #kubuntu does
[20:13] <kubuntuser> mykola: I used to change every 6 months. And I am not 16 :-)
[20:13] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: dkms has been running here when I boot into recovery, after I come out of the single-user shell.  I'll try reinstalling
[20:13] <robotti^> anybody here who knows about screen brightness systems on ubuntu using laptops?
[20:13] <mykola> bucky: wrong user with the #kubuntu comment
[20:13] <robotti^> using screen brightness keys
[20:14] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, that's the smart move
[20:14] <robotti^> nobody knows?
[20:15] <mykola> bjsnider: in order, ubuntu, fedora, CentOS, SuSe, PCBSD (not a linux distro but it's on the list), FreeBSD (Same), Gentoo, Ubuntu again :D then later on I had a Gentoo box for a week. When I got my new laptop half a year ago i had FreeBSD on it for a month, then I switched it to Sorcerer until it broke last friday. Now that laptop is on Ubuntu/Windows Dual boot (windows for Neverwinter Nights scripting)
[20:15] <khazil> robotti^: it works here
[20:15] <mykola> suppose it's not 10
[20:15] <mykola> whatever :)  At work (summer job in IT) I managed some red hat servers
[20:15] <robotti^> khazil: you are using macbook with karmic koala?
[20:15] <robotti^> khazil: :)
[20:15] <bjsnider> mykola, what the bloody hell is sorcerer?
[20:16] <mykola> a fairly cool Source based distro
[20:16] <khazil> robotti^: you said "using laptops" which was... vague
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: okay
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: what gpu you are using?
[20:16] <robotti^> khazil: I have nvidia
[20:16] <bjsnider> robotti^, the 9400m?
[20:16] <khazil> intel, that shouldn't affect it though
[20:16] <mykola> bucky: put it into modules, but ssb is still being loaded and used by default
[20:16] <robotti^> bjsnider: I have that
[20:17] <khazil> sorceror is long dead but there are a few modern derivatives
[20:17] <bjsnider> robotti^, why don't you like the mac osx?
[20:17] <robotti^> bjsnider: I cannot set screen brightness after I installed nvidia driver
[20:17] <robotti^> bjsnider: I like mac os x, but me likes too ubuntu :)
[20:17] <mykola> bucky: lsmod shows that putting the modules into /etc/modules worked, but that the old one is also being loaded
[20:18] <bjsnider> robotti^, i think there are ubuntu wiki pages for crackbooks
[20:18] <robotti^> khazil: I think it does not work on nvidia closed source driver
[20:18] <robotti^> that screen brightness thing.
[20:18] <robotti^> bjsnider: I have read those.
[20:18] <khazil> does it work on the open source driver?
[20:18] <bjsnider> you can always use nvidia-settings
[20:19] <robotti^> I have not seeing information about concerning about screen brightness
[20:19] <robotti^> khazil: it works without nvidia driver
[20:20] <dmatt> skreech: I am on kubuntu
[20:20] <skreech> can you do a 4-5 minute disruptive test for me?
[20:21] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: nope, reinstalled and still perms on /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl are 660
[20:21] <robotti^> khazil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Karmic#Screen%20brightness%20adjustment
[20:21] <robotti^> Oh I found information
[20:21] <robotti^> :)
[20:22] <khazil> yay
[20:22] <gnd_> hello ubuntu ... can i ask what happened with the package ttf-bitstream-vera in 9.10 ? is it replaced by some other package ?
[20:22] <mandrew> anyone that know how to fix broadcom w-lan in buntu 9.10?
[20:22] <robotti^> needs manual install
[20:22] <robotti^> :D
[20:22] <robotti^> where to brag about that
[20:23] <dmatt> skreech: I have karmic on another partition, what would you like to test?
[20:24] <mandrew> anyone that have time to help a noob?
[20:24] <mykola> mandrew: ask away
[20:25] <topyli> mandrew, better to just ask a question
[20:25]  * Blues-Man hi
[20:25] <mandrew> i did :P
[20:25] <mandrew> anyone that know how to fix broadcom w-lan
[20:25] <mykola> HAHHAHA
[20:25] <mykola> yes actually :D
[20:25] <robotti^> hey are there somebody who knows how to send support information for developers?
[20:25] <robotti^> about my issues
[20:25] <topyli> also, newbies aren't supposed to run development versions :)
[20:25] <mykola> (i've been messing with the one in my laptop for a while now)
[20:25] <robotti^> mandrew: what is your problem?
[20:26] <mykola> topyli: the full version comes out in 2 days :P
[20:26] <topyli> yes
[20:26] <mandrew> i cant get the w-lan to work on my netbook
[20:26] <robotti^> mandrew: you cannot reload that module?
[20:26] <mykola> mandrew: which netbook exactly?
[20:26] <xrandr> ok,  if i download libflashplayer.so  from adobe's website, where do i put it?
[20:26] <mandrew> i have a compaq mini 730e
[20:26] <robotti^> mandrew: restricted driver?
[20:26] <mykola> mandrew: do you know the broadcom chipset? :^)
[20:27] <robotti^> I have same problem with macbook two days ago
[20:27] <robotti^> I have also broadcom chip
[20:27] <mykola> robotti^: restricted driver manager never works for these damn broadcom chips... i had to compile one myself :P
[20:27] <robotti^> I updated system
[20:27] <robotti^> and then it worked
[20:27] <mandrew> dont know mouch about ubuntu or the terminal :(
[20:27] <robotti^> and then wlan worked
[20:27] <robotti^> :)
[20:28] <mandrew> but im a happy learner :P
[20:28] <mykola> mandrew: terminal is nothing scary really
[20:28] <mandrew> im not scared of i just dont know the comands
[20:28] <mykola> mandrew just going to check to make sure the instructions i'm going to give you will actually work or not :P brb
[20:28] <mandrew> ok
[20:28] <dtchen> gnd_: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461308
[20:28] <robotti^> mandrew: do you have network connection on that netbook on ubuntu karmiac koala netbook remix?
[20:29] <maxb> Hm. Karmic really dislikes old-ish ThinkPads. Compiz is broken and so is wifi.
[20:29] <dtchen> maxb: which model(s)?
[20:29] <maxb> T40p
[20:29] <mykola> mandrew: k. do an "lspci | grep  -i Network controller"
[20:29] <dtchen> e.g., 600E?
[20:29] <mandrew> im on the desktop and yes i do
[20:29] <mykola> mandrew: best to copy and paste it.  lspci gives a list of hardware, grep is a search tool, i put too many spaces in that command hold on
[20:29] <mykola> lspci | grep -i Network controller
[20:30] <mzz> bad gnome-panel! don't do blocking dbus calls!
[20:30] <robotti^> mandrew: you can use ethernet on netbook?
[20:30] <maxb> dtchen: I said old-*ish* :-)
[20:30] <mandrew> ok ill install irc on it and surf in here to
[20:30] <mandrew> yes
[20:30] <mykola> mandrew: bah. forgot quotes
[20:30] <robotti^> mandrew: try to update system to newest?
[20:30] <mandrew> have don that
[20:30] <mykola> lspci | grep -i "Network controller"
[20:30] <gnd_> dtchen: sorry to disturb .. i found that allready too :)
[20:31] <virtuald> did canonical recently grease their pipes?
[20:31] <dtchen> virtuald: guh?
[20:31] <virtuald> the intertubes
[20:31] <mykola> please tell me what the output is when you do that ^_^
[20:32] <mandrew2> im in
[20:33] <dtchen> virtuald: no idea, I mirrored the entire repository in anticipation of release and zsynced the isos to be used at an installfest on Friday
[20:33] <virtuald> :)
[20:34] <virtuald> i haven't been to an install fest since i was 15
[20:34] <virtuald> :p
[20:34] <virtuald> ten years ago
[20:34] <cemc> I have a strange thing on 64bit Karmic, with 32bit java and eclipse. the 'Next' button won't click
[20:35] <mykola> mandrew2: so... lspci | grep -i "Network controller"
[20:35] <cemc> if I press tabs + space, it works. with the mouse it doesn't
[20:35] <mykola> mandrew2: need to know what kind of broadcom chip you have :D
[20:35] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, who owns those two files?
[20:35] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: owner root, group video
[20:36] <skreech> dmatt: When you get to KDM unders sessions select Failsafe and login
[20:36] <skreech> See if it kicks you back to the KDM
[20:36] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, join the video group
[20:36] <mykola> mandrew2 you there? :)
[20:37] <mandrew2> im here'
[20:37] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, did you upgrade from another distro or did you clean install?
[20:37] <mandrew2> i have copied to a chat window to you
[20:37] <kh_pylon> clean install
[20:37] <virtuald> dtchen: i think i'm coming to the london release party. i'm going to london tomorrow night anyway
[20:37] <dtchen> virtuald: excellent
[20:38] <mandrew2> you cant see the window?
[20:38] <darrend> WTF has karmic done to suspend/resume??  I have a laptop that worked *flawlessly* under jaunty which is now completely incapable (so it seems) of suspending to ram.  It will hibernate to disk, but resuming is flaky.
[20:38] <dtchen> darrend: are you running absolutely current Karmic?
[20:38] <bjsnider> virtuald, will there be champaigne and cheese?
[20:38] <virtuald> i guess if you pay for it
[20:39] <bjsnider> that's no fun
[20:39] <dmatt> skreech: I need some time, let you know the result
[20:39] <darrend> dtchen: last upgrade this morning.. is there a more recent fix?
[20:39] <virtuald> bjsnider: http://www.salvadorandamanda.com/main.html
[20:39] <dtchen> darrend: just info and checkbox, I think
[20:40] <dtchen> darrend: should be orthogonal to your suspend/resume issue(s), regardless
[20:40] <bjsnider> there was a xorg update of some sort
[20:47] <kh_pylon> bjsnider: that worked; thx.  really wanted to do it using udev, but at least I can access it now
[20:51] <dmatt> skreech: yes, it throwed me back to kdm and also access to ttys (CTRL-ALT-Fx) did not work (I tried twice, second time with tty1 on)
[20:51] <kindofabuzz> been doing updates since alpha 4 or so and everything is just getting sluggish. would i be better off reinstalling the RC or a Daily?
[20:52] <kindofabuzz> or better off going back to intrepid? =)
[20:52] <froglet> Does upgrading jaunty to karmic work or should I do a clean install?
[20:53] <kindofabuzz> clean install always seems better, but yeah it works
[20:54] <froglet> kindofabuzz, ty
[20:54] <mbeierl> froglet: from all I've heard it works, however there are a few advantages to the clean install: 1) ext4 on your root partition and 2) grub2 - these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head
[20:54] <robotti^>      mbeierl hello
[20:54] <robotti^> ops
[20:54] <mbeierl> robotti^: hey!
[20:54] <robotti^> mbeierl: My networking is good now
[20:54] <robotti^> :D
[20:55] <froglet> I had forgotten about grub2 but I want to stick with ext3
[20:55] <robotti^> but battery life is worse than os x
[20:55] <bjsnider> kh_pylon, yes...at least you can...yes
[20:55] <mbeierl> robotti^: excellent!  So wireless mod works... but battery is no good
[20:55] <robotti^> mbeierl: yep, on os x I have 4-6 hours, and on karmic I have 2 hours
[20:55] <mbeierl> robotti^: I think there is a bug with reporting battery state, but that should not decrease the reality
[20:55] <mbeierl> of how long it actually lasts...
[20:56] <robotti^> I think it is about, screen brightness is always full on karmic
[20:56] <kh_pylon> also, occasionally the LMB on USB mouse stops working; have to unplug/replug mouse to get it back??
[20:56] <froglet> I will wait and see how ext4 works before installing it on the desktop machine
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: screen brightness is not working on karmic yet.
[20:57] <robotti^> I cannot set it those keys
[20:57] <mbeierl> robotti^: that's not good.  it works for my dell, but that's basic stuff
[20:57] <robotti^> mbeierl: yep, it works on intrepid
[20:57] <robotti^> but not on karmic yet, I am waiting updates.
[20:57] <robotti^> :)
[20:58] <robotti^> Or I install intrepid packets.
[20:58] <mbeierl> did you file a bug?
[20:58] <robotti^> mbeierl: where to file  bug
[20:58] <mbeierl> launchpad
[20:59] <mbeierl> !launchpad | robotti^
[20:59] <AlienPenguin> hi ppl, i am trying kk server and i noticed that when ssh is started it takes forever to accept a character if at all, hence typing the passwd is a daunting task?
[20:59] <AlienPenguin> any hints?
[20:59] <dmatt> robotti^: MMV, mine brightnes works
[20:59] <cemc> is there a really big stinking bug in Karmic that causes mouse clicks not to register in different apps?
[20:59] <robotti^> mbeierl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Karmic <-- look here. if it there documented. Maybe people are informed
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: for example known issues on there
[21:00] <mbeierl> robotti^: k, well I've gotta run for now.  Good to hear wireless is working again.  I'm sure the other things will come in line quickly enough :)
[21:00] <cemc> I have it in GNOME (on the taskbar), in flash player (basically can't click any buttons), in eclipse (can't click 'next')
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: # Short battery life (less than 2,3-2,5 hours!) under Ubuntu comparing with OS X.
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: :)
[21:00] <robotti^> thank you
[21:01] <mzz> cemc: there's a bug on eclipse, but I was assuming the packaged eclipse worked around it properly
[21:01] <mzz> see bug 458703
[21:01] <mzz> I don't know about the other two
[21:01] <robotti^> how to submit bug?
[21:02] <mzz> ubuntu-bug
[21:02] <robotti^> ubuntu-bug?
[21:02] <mzz> (probably, see bugs.ubuntu.com -> "report a bug")
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:02] <robotti^> mzz: if it noticed on some of support sites does it then matters?
[21:03] <cemc> mzz: that may be, but the eclipse versions from their site won't work (I need eclipse 3.3 for example, that GDK var exporting woodoo doesn't seem to fix it)
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> !info eclipse
[21:04] <domjohnson> How do you get the desktop cube to work in Karmic?
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: install video card drivers and compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:04] <cemc> mzz: but I sense there is a bigger issue here, same simptoms occur in flash, can't click buttons
[21:05] <mzz> cemc: where?
[21:05] <domjohnson> How do you install video card drivers
[21:05] <domjohnson> ?
[21:05] <domjohnson> is that an actual package?
[21:06] <cemc> mzz: karmic 64bit firefox+flash player (for example youtube site, can't control the videos, clicks do nothing)
[21:06] <mzz> domjohnson: sane ones are usually installed by default, but for certain cards system -> settings -> hardware drivers is required
[21:06] <mzz> cemc: I'm not on 64bit so can't really test that
[21:06] <mzz> the eclipse thing is known and should be fixed properly in eclipse
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[21:07] <cemc> mzz: it is, but older versions still don't work with that fix
[21:07] <cemc> mzz: scratch that with flash, it seems to work now (??!)
[21:07] <mzz> cemc: they should, unless there's another bug I'm not aware of (which is entirely possible, it's not like I use eclipse)
[21:07] <skreech> dmatt: Yep I have that problem as well :(
[21:08] <domjohnson> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
[21:08] <skreech> dmatt: upgrade or full install?
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: ok then run: gksudo jockey-gtk
[21:09] <dmatt> full install
[21:09] <Roey> hello, can anyone help me with this booting/grub issue?  #grub seems to be in lurk mode...
[21:09] <domjohnson> ok
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: if you arent offered any drivers let me know
[21:09] <Roey> ActionParsnip: hello again ;)
[21:10] <domjohnson> Ok
[21:10] <domjohnson> I did that before
[21:10] <domjohnson> lol
[21:10] <domjohnson> Before you said :)
[21:10] <domjohnson> brb
[21:10] <dmatt> skreech: I am testing on spare partition before I plunge into real thing
[21:10] <silverdrake11> help! grub2 error: "no such partition" what do I type in to the "grub resuce>" prompt to fix this?
[21:10] <skreech> dmatt: So clean install?
[21:10] <Plugh> dmatt, I'm doing the same thing on my machine.
[21:11] <dmatt> skreech: yes
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> hi Roey
[21:11] <silverdrake11> How do I fix my grub error "no such partition" on karmic? Someone please help me.
[21:12] <Plugh> I was totally impressed with Ubuntu 9.10 beta when I installed it on my laptop so I'm planning to stop using (the old copy of) Fedora on my desktop and only use Ubuntu.
[21:12] <Plugh> I ran into one issue when installing Ubuntu for the desktop as it has drives configured for RAID1.
[21:12] <bjsnider> Plugh, not happy with fedora's constant security prompts for every little thing?
[21:14] <Plugh> I had to modprobe dm-raid4 before the partiioning step so the install CD recognized the raid drives. When I tried to reboot after install was complete, it couldn't mount the root partition. I think the raid module(s) may be missing from initrd.
[21:14] <aliendude5300> SeySayux: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the timer to 0. The GRUB menu will then be skipped
[21:15] <silverdrake11> grub2 "no such partition" error. Please help my rescue by grub.
[21:16] <Plugh> bjsnider: I tried Fedora 11 on the laptop. Had to manually edit a sound configuration file to get speakers working. WiFi wasn't working (I could probably have fixed that), and couldn't get the accelerated video card drivers installed. I also wound up with Thunderbird 3 beta installed on the machine as part of F11 and that is flagged as not for general use. Not to mention dependency issues (ie. apparent bloat), and 
[21:16] <aliendude5300> silverdrake11: you could have file system corruption or and invalidly configured menu.lst file.
[21:16] <Plugh> Ubuntu 9.10 worked out of the box (almost) on the laptop.
[21:16] <skreech> dmatt: Thanks
[21:17] <cemc> mzz: found the bugreport and updated it. thanks
[21:17] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300, all I did was delete my Jaunty partition, and that happend.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> Plugh: ubuntu has its fair share of bloat
[21:17] <aliendude5300> Thats because your /boot folder was stored on your Jaunty partition.
[21:17] <dmatt> skreech: did you file a bug for it?
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: better?#
[21:17] <domjohnson> Yup
[21:17] <nxnn14> Hi, i have a grub error 15 when I boot with a recently updated from grub legacy on karmic. I booted into a live karmic cd and I was wondering what the commands would be to fix or reconfigure grub
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: great, makes life easier when that thing works
[21:17] <domjohnson> How do you add desktops?
[21:18] <aliendude5300> Reinstall GRUB to another partition and your MBR; you should be able to boot again.
[21:18] <domjohnson> :)
[21:18] <Plugh> ActionParsnip: Won't be too bad as I'm used to that from Fedora. At least upgrading to new releases will be a lot easier.
[21:18] <skreech> dmatt: Not yet. I know what the issue is I'm just trying to figure out how to formulate the bug
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: for compiz or gnome desktops?
[21:18] <domjohnson> Compiz
[21:18] <Roey> ooooh.
[21:18] <Roey> grub issues.l
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> Plugh: im leaning towards arch due to rolling updates rather than releases
[21:18] <Roey> I'm currntly in a bad sitch with that too.
[21:18] <Roey> Error 15.
[21:18] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300: basically I'm asking how I rescue grub2. I know for grub1 all you had to do was type in grub, then find /boot/grub/stage1
[21:18] <Roey> #grub is mostly dead
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: alt+f2   run: ccsm
[21:19] <domjohnson> lol
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: general on the left
[21:19] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300, but for grub2 that doesnt work. so how do I fix this?
[21:19] <domjohnson> You like terminals and stuff too much!
[21:19] <domjohnson> Im on it :)
[21:19] <domjohnson> Thankyou, by the way :)
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then general options again, desktop size tab, crank to 4
[21:19] <Roey> silverdrake11: I have the same problem btw.
[21:19] <Plugh> What needs to be done to update the initrd to include the dmraid modules? I seem to remember something about a mkinitrd command.
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: np man
[21:20] <dmatt> skreech: i see you opened it on kubuntu-devel
[21:20] <domjohnson> general options? How do you get into that?
[21:20] <silverdrake11> Roey, have you figured out a solution?
[21:20] <domjohnson> lol
[21:20] <domjohnson> no worries, im on
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: its on the left
[21:20] <skreech> dmatt: Yeah I brought it up a few days ago but since I'm kinda a corner case I was tring to see if anyone else could replicate it
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then in the main panel you'll see general options, click that
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: then at the top you will see desktop size
[21:21] <nxnn14> Ya i have the same issue updated to grub 2 and now need to rescue it because it wont boot and says error 15
[21:21] <domjohnson> :)
[21:21] <domjohnson> Im on that
[21:21] <domjohnson> but i cant change theNumber of desktops
[21:21] <skreech> dmatt: konsole is set as the app for x-terminal-emulator which somehow doesn't like failsafe and crashes X
[21:21] <domjohnson> No worries
[21:21] <domjohnson> i got it now :)
[21:21] <domjohnson> lol!
[21:21] <aliendude5300> silverdrake11: I think you have to boot from a live CD...
[21:22] <Roey> silverdrake11: I think maybe grub-setup /dev/sda
[21:22] <Roey> (I have a softraid1 btw)
[21:22] <Roey> mirror
[21:22] <Roey> two drives, sda and sdb
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: cool
[21:22] <dmatt> skreech: I try it on an old computer, just to be sure
[21:22] <Roey> I boot off of /dev/md1 which is /dev/sd{a,b}2
[21:22] <domjohnson> thanks :)
[21:22] <DoYouKnow> Hi... where can I get the latest wubi?
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> for 9.10
[21:23] <domjohnson> Download wubi, and put the 9.10 rc iso in the same folder
[21:23] <domjohnson> that's right, isn't it?
[21:23] <silverdrake11> aliendude5300: I tried booting from a live cd. But the commands I usually type in to locate grub1, dont work for grub2.\
[21:23] <Roey> I'll try rebooting...
[21:23] <Roey> watch this fail.  One sec.
[21:23] <nxnn14> I have booted to a live karmic cd, but what command do I run to reconfigure or fix grub 2 and what options do I choose if I am reconfiguring for it to work
[21:23] <Roey> grrr
[21:23] <skreech> dmatt: See if the TTY is still messed up
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> domjohnson, hmm... ok
[21:24] <Roey> nxnn14: grrrrrrrr I'm wrestliong grub2 too from a livecd
[21:24] <skreech> I had that messed up for me but I upgraded the kernel and did the failsafe fix so I don't know which one was the issue
[21:24] <Roey> ;)
[21:24] <Roey> nxnn14: brb
[21:24] <skreech> Hi Roey
[21:25] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, I think that, that is what the "grub rescue>" prompt is for. So you don't have to boot from a liveCD. but as for what you can type in there, I have no idea. The only command that works is 'ls'
[21:26] <nxnn14> how do u get to the grub rescue promt
[21:27] <Brownout> will karmic UNR be available as an install image as the previous releases? I can see only an ISO in the RC
[21:27] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, for me its just default when you boot. It says grub "error: no such partition" and then it displays the prompt
[21:27] <dtchen> Brownout: yes.
[21:28] <nxnn14> silverdrake11: i c...ya when I boot I just get "grub error 15" and then nothing else
[21:28] <dtchen> Brownout: it now fits on a 700 MB CD, because many people requested it.
[21:28] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, and are you sure you are using grub2?
[21:29] <nxnn14> silverdrake: yes that is the problem. I updated to it last night and now it will not boot from it
[21:29] <Brownout> dtchen: so when the final release will be published we will have also the .img
[21:30] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, have you tried the suber grub disk?
[21:30] <nxnn14> silverdrake: is there no way to reconfigure or fix grub from booting to a live karmic cd?
[21:31] <dmatt> skreech: !! failsafe does not work, but I can get into TTY's
[21:31] <dtchen> Brownout: no, only the iso.
[21:32] <dtchen> Brownout: it doesn't matter; Karmic's usb-creator works just fine with it.
[21:32] <skreech> dmatt: ok I think that was a kernel bug the failsafe issue shouldn't really affect anything with the ttys but I wanted to be sure
[21:32] <silverdrake11> nxnn14, lol well I have the same problem. that's why I'm here. But a temporary workaround  I have been  using is the suber grub disk to boot into ubuntu, then just never shutdown your computer (just sleep_
[21:32] <dtchen> Brownout: just write it to whatever mediuw and boot it
[21:32] <dtchen> medium*
[21:32] <Brownout> dtchen: it works just fine if you have ubuntu installed somewhere
[21:33] <nxnn14> silverdrake11: o i c I didn't realize you were in the same boat sorry about that. Ya it is annoying isnt it. :)
[21:33] <Roey> silverdrake11: hi
[21:33] <Roey> didn't work.  Grr.
[21:33] <Roey> didn't work.  System boots, Grub says "GRUB loading." and then halts.
[21:33] <Roey> I've done the following:  grub-setup /dev/sda; grub-setup /dev/sdb; grub-setup /dev/md0; grub-setup /dev/md1
[21:33] <silverdrake11> Roey, did you find a solution?
[21:33] <dtchen> Brownout: it works fine even if you don't have Ubuntu installed somewhere. You can use dd to write the image out. I did it earlier in Windows XP.
[21:33] <dmatt> skreech: that's funny because the old comp with P4 actually has some problems with 2.6.31
[21:34] <Roey> skreech: hola
[21:34] <Roey> not yet.
[21:34] <silverdrake11> Roey, oh i see
[21:34] <Roey> silverdrake11: what's your setup like?
[21:34] <Plugh> Roey: You are booting on a machine with drives configured as RAID1?
[21:34] <Roey> Plugh: yes
[21:34] <Brownout> dtchen: dding the iso to a flash drive?
[21:34] <silverdrake11> Roey, what do you mean?
[21:35] <dtchen> Brownout: yes
[21:35] <Plugh> Roey: Let me guess... during boot, it winds up dropping you in to a shell after saying it couldn't find/mount the root partition?
[21:35] <Brownout> dtchen: I'll try that, thanks.
[21:35] <silverdrake11> Roey, i'm using karmic if thats what you mean
[21:35] <Roey> silverdrake11: Plugh:  my old /boot was on this tiny 100-meg /dev/md0 and maps to /dev/sd{a,b}1;  my / (and /boot, now) are on /dev/md1 which maps to /dev/sd{a,b}2
[21:35] <Roey> Plugh: GRUB says "GRUB loading." and then the machine halts.
[21:36] <nxnn14> roey: same with me except it says error 15 after GRUB loading and then it stops
[21:36] <Roey> dtchen: hola, long time no see :)
[21:36] <Plugh> Roey: what is the kernel line you are using in grub?
[21:36] <Roey> kernel 2.6.31-*14*
[21:37] <Roey> oh
[21:37] <Roey> the kernel line
[21:37] <Roey> hey monte48lowes
[21:37] <Roey> one moment
[21:37] <leogermani> just upgraded to 9.10 and my audio and video playback broke.. apparently it does not recognize any audio card... anyone has a clue?
[21:37] <monte48lowes> I have only recently starting using grub 2.
[21:37] <Roey> ah
[21:37] <silverdrake11> Roey, well I had 20gb partition of Jaunty then the 1GB swap partition. Then I installed a 20GB karmic with a 1GB swap which overwrote the old grub. And I never had any problems until when I deleted my jaunty partition. I get Grub error:"no such partition" then it goes to the "grub rescue>"
[21:38] <Plugh> Roey, I was asking about what you have set in grub.conf. What are you passing on the 'root' line and what is on the 'kernel' line?
[21:38] <Roey> ok, I'm mounting the drives
[21:38] <Plugh> Roey, I'm trying to boot off RAID1 but my issue may be a bit different from yours.
[21:39] <Roey> but first I hav eto apt-get install mdadm.
[21:39] <Roey> For that I am apt-get updating
[21:39] <Roey> Plugh: ahhh
[21:39] <Roey> one sec
[21:40] <monte48lowes> have you tried the super grub disc?
[21:40] <Roey> oh what's that?
[21:40] <Roey> I'm on a kubuntu karmic livecd at the moment
[21:40] <silverdrake11> monte48lowes, I tried the suber grub disk
[21:41] <monte48lowes> here is a guide on the kubuntu forums http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106368.0
[21:41] <silverdrake11> monte48lowes, I have the same problem.
[21:41] <Plugh> Roey: I got Karmic when it was t-6 days. For install I found dmraid package was already available during set up but I had to do a modprobe to get RAID configured HD's recognized. My problem is the install went fine after that, grub tries to boot Ubuntu, but boot fails as it can't mount drives.
[21:41] <monte48lowes> how do you whisper? I haven't figured that out yet... new to quassel
[21:42] <Roey> /msg
[21:42] <silverdrake11> monte48lowes, and with the suber grub disk, I am able to boot into karmic; HOWEVER when I remove the disk, Im stuck with error" no such partition" again. Basically, I cant shutdown, only sleep.
[21:42] <Roey> Plugh: ah.  Modprobe... do you use softraid?  What's your raid setup?
[21:42] <dmatt> screech: oh i used wrong channel
[21:43] <Hans_Henrik> how can i make permanent aliases? (that wont go away when i restart~)
[21:43] <Plugh> Roey, I think it is softraid. I told the bios of the machine I wanted the two drives in the machine to act as mirrors of each other. They have been working fine in Fedora (I'm currently running F8).
[21:44] <Wizzup> Hi - I am currently upgrading to 9.10. It has downloaded all packages but three.
[21:44] <skreech> dmatt: use tab :)
[21:44] <skreech> !tab
[21:44] <Wizzup> The packages' site seem to return 404's.
[21:44] <Wizzup> And then the entire upgrade process stops...
[21:44] <Wizzup> Tips?
[21:44] <Roey> Plugh: oh that's not os-level raid, that's bios-level then
[21:45] <drbobb> folks, suspend/hibernate stopped working on my machine overnight. Has anyone seen the same? Any ideas?
[21:45] <dtchen> drbobb: not without a lot more detail
[21:45] <drbobb> dtchen: wish I could give more
[21:45] <Roey> now
[21:45] <Geoffrey2> if I'm running the RC now, will update and upgrade get me up to the full release when it drops in a few days?
[21:45] <Roey> Plugh, monte48lowes, silverdrake11:  what was that one of you asked me earlier about the kernel line?
[21:45] <hggdh> Geoffrey2: yes
[21:46] <Wizzup> I'll what happens if I remove them
[21:46] <Plugh> Roey, I asked
[21:46] <drbobb> dtchen: on karmic here, updating regularly. Suspend/hibernate invoked from gnome menus do nothing, other than lock the screen
[21:46] <drbobb> just a day before they were working fine
[21:46] <Roey> Plugh: ah!  what was it specifically? Now I've finished installing mdadm, assembling my raid drives and mounting them
[21:49] <Roey> Plugh: what was it?
[21:50] <dekkong> Hello guys! I have a freenas server and now I am running Kubuntu Karmic beta... I also have a computer with ubuntu karmic. I dont understand Why I cant stream a movie from the server using kubuntu but i can using Ubuntu
[21:50] <Plugh> I was asking to see the root statement and kernel line you are using
[21:50] <Roey> ah
[21:50] <Roey> title           Ubuntu 9.10, kernel 2.6.31-14-generic
[21:50] <Roey> root            (hd0,0)
[21:50] <Roey> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/md1 ro quiet splash
[21:50] <Roey> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic
[21:50] <Roey> ack
[21:50] <Roey> root is not hd0,0
[21:50] <Roey> root is hd1,1
[21:50] <Plugh> Roey, that is why I wanted to see what you had in grub.conf. I wondered if you had something set incorrectly
[21:50] <Ubuntuse> my sound does not work since upgrading to 9.10, it shows up. i just hear no output
[21:50] <Roey> this comes from menu.lst btw
[21:51] <dupondje> pfft
[21:51] <Plugh> Roey, menu.lst and grub.conf are usually symlinked
[21:51] <mac_v> !test
[21:51] <dupondje> I added a mobile network to NetworkManager, but how you can connect to it now ?!
[21:51] <Roey> oh ok
[21:51] <monte48lowes> !silverdrake11 test
[21:51] <Roey> Plugh: so if I set it to (hd1,1)
[21:51] <Roey> what do I do aftr that?
[21:52] <Roey> under lilo I had to reinstal lilo after editing lilo.conf
[21:52] <Plugh> the root line should point to the partition with the kernel and initrd files.
[21:52] <silverdrake11> monte48lowes, that is that test?
[21:52] <silverdrake11> monte48lowes, i mean what is that test?
[21:52] <Roey> Plugh: ok.
[21:52] <Plugh> Roey, One of the nice things about grub is you can alter the configuration file and not have to reinstall
[21:52] <Roey> Plugh: so my map looks like..
[21:53] <Roey> root@ubuntu:/# cat /boot/grub/device.map
[21:53] <Roey> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[21:53] <Roey> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[21:53] <Roey> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[21:53] <Roey> I want it booting off of (hd0,1) not (hd0,0)
[21:53] <Plugh> Roey, the kernel line in grub.conf needs to say where the real root partition is located which you currently have set to /dev/md1
[21:53] <Ubuntuse> my sound does not work since upgrading to 9.10, it shows up. i just hear no output
[21:53] <Roey> for that matter can grub boot off of a softraid partition??
[21:53] <BUGabundo> howdy
[21:53] <Plugh> Ubuntuse: No need to repeat yourself so soon.
[21:53] <Roey> Plugh: so I change it to /dev/sda, then?
[21:54] <skreech> BUGabundo: Yo!
[21:54] <skreech> Ubuntuse: Muted?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> hey skreech
[21:54] <dupondje> who killed launchpad btw ?
[21:54] <Ubuntuse> skreech, no
[21:54] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[21:54] <Roey> Plugh:  what about this weird notion it got somwhere that "root            (hd0,0)"
[21:54] <Roey> ?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> dupondje: who doesn't this days ?
[21:54] <Ubuntuse> skreech, hardware shows my card..
[21:54] <Roey> Plugh: it would seem I need to change that to read "root    (hd0, 1)"
[21:54] <Plugh> Roey, what partition contains your kernel and initrd files?
[21:55] <dtchen> BUGabundo: connectivity issues; the LP devs know about it; it's being investigated.
[21:55] <dupondje> BUGabundo: you have any idea how to connect to a mobile network in NetworkManager?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> dtchen: thanks, but I was joking :)
[21:55] <dupondje> I added it, but can't find how to connect
[21:55] <skreech> Ubuntuse: what does alsamix show from the terminal ?
[21:55] <Roey> Plugh: as well as "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/md1 ro quiet splash" to read "kernel   /boot/....root=/dev/sda2 ..."
[21:55] <Roey> yes?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> dtchen: btw, turning off the RTP did not help with mute on but, but at least I don't hear as much glitchs
[21:56] <Roey> Plugh: my partition is in /dev/md1 which maps to /dev/sd{a,b}2
[21:56] <kindofabuzz> I've been doing updates since alpha 4 or so and everything is just getting sluggish. would i be better off reinstalling the RC or a Daily?
[21:57] <Ubuntuse> skreech, master,headphone,line,pcm all up
[21:57] <Plugh> Roey: /dev/sda would refer to a normal (non-RAID configured) HD.
[21:57] <Plugh> Roey: First, what partition contains your /boot files
[21:58] <Roey> Plugh: at the moment, both /dev/md0 and /dev/md1
[21:58] <Roey> /dev/md0 is this tiny 100-mg partition at the beginning of my partition table
[21:58] <Roey> I don't want to use it at all anymore
[21:58] <Roey> I want to boot with /boot and / both on /dev/md1 (which is /dev/sd{a,b}2)
[21:58] <Plugh> Roey: A small partition like that is fine for holding the kernel and initrd files needed for booting the machine.
[21:58] <Roey> ok
[21:59] <Roey> I know but when I tried upgrading before I ran into space issue swith it.
[21:59] <Roey> so anyway,
[21:59] <Roey> I effectively do have grub also installed on /dev/md0 which is /dev/sd{a,b}1
[21:59] <Ubuntuse> skreech, any idea
[21:59] <Plugh> Roey, You shouldn't have a space issue unless you have other files in that directory, or have many old kernel versions in there.
[21:59] <Roey> Plugh: it was something with apt-get craziness.  Anyway,
[22:00] <Roey> I'm happy to do whatever it takes to just get my system booting normally at this point :)
[22:01] <Plugh> Roey, My machine uses a 100Meg /boot and I have 5 kernel/initrd sets of files in it and still only 89% of the space is in use.
[22:02] <dupondje> yeey
[22:02] <dupondje> crash in NetworkManager
[22:02] <dupondje> great :(
[22:02] <Roey> ok
[22:02] <Roey> Plugh: so let's say we do this then.
[22:02] <Plugh> Roey: I would leave the root statement pointing to (hd0,0)
[22:02] <Roey> oh... ok
[22:02] <Roey> even though my root is not on any ,0 partition?
[22:02] <Roey> it's probably on (hd0,1), right?
[22:02] <Plugh> The device map file for the machine may be wrong.
[22:03] <Roey> Plugh: ok
[22:03] <Roey> but at the moment I can't even boot grub
[22:03] <Roey> for som reason.
[22:03] <Roey> so menus.lst never comes into play here I don't think
[22:03] <Roey> it just hangs after displaying "GRUB loading."
[22:04] <Plugh> Roey, grub needs to know where to find the kernel and initrd files. That is what you set with 'root'. In the kernel line of grubs configuration you say "root=/blah/blah..." to tell it where to find the full root partition.
[22:04] <Roey> ok
[22:04] <dupondje> Oct 27 23:02:06 laptopjl kernel: [12913.888573] nm-connection-e[14460]: segfault at 5d00000056 ip 00007f6918a9c0c6 sp 00007fffdd72cb90 error 4 in libnm-util.so.1.1.0[7f6918a8c000+39000]
[22:04] <dupondje> cool :P
[22:05] <Roey> so I have the kernel in /boot in /dev/md1 (which maps to /dev/sd{a,b}2)
[22:05] <Plugh> Roey: If you aren't even getting a grub menu when you start your machine that is a bigger issue. Sounds like grub is not installed correctly, or it might be an issue with the device.map file.
[22:05] <dupondje> whats best way to make a bugreport about the NetworkManager crash ?
[22:05] <Roey> Plugh: hrm ok
[22:06] <dupondje> I can reproduce it
[22:06] <dupondje> and it sux :(
[22:06] <skreech> So what's the deal with Ubuntu one?
[22:06] <Roey> Plugh: how would I install grub correctly then?
[22:06] <skreech> can I run an internal Server for my company?
[22:06] <Roey> Plugh: and how would I get it to scan and generate a new device.map ?
[22:06]  * BUGabundo joins #ubuntu-releaseparty, ready to kill some bunnies
[22:07] <joaopinto> dupondje, ubuntu-bug network-manager
[22:07] <Plugh> Roey: Did you install grub when Ubuntu was recognizing the HD's in a RAID configuration?
[22:07] <Roey> oh.  er not that I know of.
[22:07] <Roey> I apt-get installed from Intrepid -> Karmic
[22:07] <Roey> and had forgotten to do do-release-upgrade frist.
[22:07] <Roey> first.
[22:08] <Plugh> Roey, you would have to give me version numbers. Distro release names mean nothing tom e.
[22:08] <Roey> Kubuntu 9.10
[22:08] <Roey> Plugh: I went from 8.10 to 9.10
[22:08] <Plugh> Roey, was the machine running in raid config with 8.10 before you went to 9.10?
[22:08] <Roey> yes
[22:08] <joaopinto> Roey, you did relase upgrade using apt-get ?
[22:09] <wyterz> Hello boys, Im new to Kubuntu.. Im trying to install the flash plugin for firefox but I keep getting this error Only one software management tool is allowed to run at the same time..
[22:09] <wyterz> I am not installing something else at the same time
[22:09] <joaopinto> I mean, the distro release upgrade ?
[22:09] <ikus060> Hi all, I've report the problem many time. I have alot of issue to use GLX with the nividia-glx-185. Does anyone have trouble with it nvidia driver ?
[22:09] <Roey> joaopinto: yeah
[22:09] <Roey> hola joaopinto
[22:09] <joaopinto> Roey, that is not support and might cause you problems
[22:09] <Roey> joaopinto: bom dia
[22:09] <joaopinto> supported
[22:09] <Plugh> Sounds an odd way to do things but maybe its just me.
[22:09] <Roey> oh.
[22:09] <joaopinto> bom dia :P
[22:09] <Roey> joaopinto: you speak Portuguese?
[22:09] <Roey> *falo Portugues?
[22:10] <joaopinto> Plugh, it's a bad way, not odd
[22:10] <joaopinto> Roey, yes, but non on this channel, there is an #ubuntu-pt :)
[22:10] <Plugh> Roey, yeah. Didn't sound like the right way to me.
[22:10] <Roey> If I reinstall I'll probably need the alternate CD (which I don't have at the moment) that supports md devices, right?
[22:10] <joaopinto> there are specific upgrade cases for release upgrades that need to be managed by the the update-manager
[22:10] <dmatt> Plugh: you can always count it from first letter K(armic)-9.10, J(aunty)9.04, I(ntrepid)-8.10, H(ardy)-8.04 and so on
[22:10] <Tronic> The regular CD supports md devices AFAIK.
[22:11] <Tronic> Might not have mdadm on it, though.
[22:11] <wyterz> Hello boys, Im new to Kubuntu.. Im trying to install the flash plugin for firefox but I keep getting this error Only one software management tool is allowed to run at the same time..
[22:11] <Roey> ah
[22:11] <wyterz> I am not installing something else at the same time
[22:11] <Plugh> dmatt: I did read there was a pattern to it but its not something I tend to remember. I more of a numbers man. :-)
[22:11] <Roey> joaopinto: if I try to re-install then with the normal livecd (for 9.10), will it reocgnize my md array?
[22:11] <joaopinto> Roey, I have no experience with RAID on Linux, I guess it should
[22:12] <Roey> ok
[22:12] <Roey> brb
[22:12] <wyterz> anyone?
[22:12] <silverdrake11> Plugh, maybe you can help me with this, I can can get into karmic with the super grub disk but how do I fix my grub2 error "no such partition" after that?
[22:12] <Plugh> Roey: I downloaded the 9.10 install CD and just before it was going to check for partitions, I went to the command line screen and did a modprobe command to load the raid modules.
[22:12] <Roey> oh ok.
[22:13] <Plugh> silverdrake11: just a sec...
[22:13] <Roey> I'm in the livecd right now and have the raid arrays assembled (apt-got installed mdadm & issued 'mdadm --assemble --scan')
[22:13] <Roey> if I try and install it by clicking 'install', hopefully it iwll detect them...
[22:13] <Tronic> Roey: Anyway, if you have network, you may install software on the live environment.
[22:13] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/456261
[22:13] <dupondje> there it is
[22:13] <dupondje> the BUG :'
[22:14] <Plugh> Roey, At the partitioning step it then asked if it was ok to use the entire disk for Ubuntu and showed the correct device name of /dev/mapper/isw_bfegefhaa_Vol0
[22:14] <Roey> ok
[22:14] <BUGabundo> dupondje: you called ?
[22:14] <Roey> and this was with the standard disc, Plugh, not that altrnate?
[22:15] <Plugh> silverdrake11: what partition contains the actual root Ubuntu file system, and what did you say as root in the kernel line of the grub configuration?
[22:15] <dupondje> yea, don't know how I can connect to a Mobile Connection in NetworkManager ...
[22:15] <spO> why would karmic break your system?
[22:15] <Roey> brb
[22:15] <Plugh> Roey, yup. Standard download.
[22:15] <Plugh> spO: it hasn't officially been released yet
[22:17] <ikus060> Is there any way to get in touch with people writing Nvidia driver ?
[22:17] <Plugh> I discovered that Fedora 8 fails to boot if you it finds a partition (ie. with Ubuntu in it) that is set for ext4
[22:17] <Deathvalley122> lol
[22:18] <Deathvalley122> not until the 29th
[22:18] <bjsnider> ikus060, what is wrong with it
[22:18] <Deathvalley122> I think the topic needs updating
[22:18] <ikus060> bjsnider, As I said before, I have a regression with it. With Karmic, any glx application crash with a seg fault.
[22:19] <bjsnider> ikus060, contact nvidia about it. use their nvforums site
[22:19] <bjsnider> there's nothing canonical can do about nvidia driver issues
[22:19] <bjsnider> unless they're packaging issues
[22:20] <ikus060> bjsnider, http://forums.nvidia.com/ ?
[22:20] <bjsnider> no
[22:20] <Plugh> ikus060: which of the three nvidia driver versions are you using?
[22:20] <bjsnider> google linux nvidia forums
[22:22] <silverdrake11> Plugh, the /dev/sda5 partition contains my karmic, and I don't understand what you mean by "what did you say as root in the kernel line of the grub configuration?"
[22:22] <ikus060> Plugh, I'm using the nvidia-glx-185. but any way I have the problem with the 3 available drivers
[22:23] <silverdrake11> Plugh, what happend is that I deleted my jaunty partition and then grub2 gave me the error "no such partition"
[22:23] <aj_444_> I'm running Jaunty right now and want to update to the Karmic RC. How can I do this?
[22:25] <Plugh> silverdrake11: Check your grub configuration. If you deleted the jaunty partition, did you update grub to tell it where you installed Karmic?
[22:25] <dupondje> aj_444_: update-manager -d
[22:25] <BluesKaj> aj_444_,  install update manager if you don't already have it
[22:26] <silverdrake11> Plugh, see I don't know how to do that because this is grub2. In grub1 it was easy because all I had to do was type in "find boot/grub/stage1"
[22:26] <aj_444_> Thanks guys. I figured it out.
[22:27] <bjsnider> ikus060, is this a fresh karmic install or an upgrade?
[22:27] <X7> no audio since upgrade to 9.10, pulse audio shows up. so does my card. no output though
[22:27] <X7> but also no errors.
[22:27] <ikus060> bjsnider: it's a fresh one, then I migrate and the problem persist
[22:28] <Plugh> silverdrake11: I haven't used grub2. I've only got grub 1 on my machine. grub2 doesn't have a menu.lst or grub.conf file that provides the boot parameters?
[22:28] <mzz> silverdrake11: running "grub-mkimage /dev/sda" (or whatever the right drive for an mbr install or partition for a boot record install is) may suffice
[22:28] <mzz> err
[22:29] <mzz> silverdrake11: I meant grub-install, not grub-mkimage
[22:29] <mzz> silverdrake11: or if grub itself still starts but won't boot your kernel: run update-grub2
[22:29] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok so all I have to do is type in "grub-install /dev/sda"
[22:29] <mandrew> i would like to thank all good people here who helped me today
[22:30] <mzz> silverdrake11: I think that's all I did to make my new hd bootable
[22:30] <silverdrake11> mzz, see what happend is i deleted my jaunty partition and grub started giving me the "no such partition error"
[22:32] <Plugh> silverdrake11: if you can get to the grub menu, you can give it the information it needs to boot. You can then fix the grub configuration after it boots.
[22:32] <mzz> silverdrake11: well, try grub-install (after booting from a livecd and chrooting in). I think it's supposed to be sufficient.
[22:32] <X7> can anyone help me pulseaudio is properly configured, and shows my card. and shows output. but i hear nothing
[22:32] <silverdrake11> Plugh, well im already booted using the super grub cd
[22:33] <silverdrake11> mzz, i dont even have to do that. im already booted using the super grub disk
[22:33] <Jimmio> X7: It wouldn't happen to be muted, would it?
[22:33] <AlienPenguin> is it normal that i get in console (karmic server) this message: * Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf smbd only
[22:33] <AlienPenguin> ?
[22:34] <Jimmio> X7: Speakers on? Sound connected? Speakers set to the correct input?
[22:34] <Plugh> silverdrake11: ok. Usually when I've had the "no partition" error (with grub 1) I would just boot my machine, tell grub I wanted a command line and issued the root, kernel, and initrd statements to make the machine boot.
[22:34] <mzz> silverdrake11: if the "super grub disk" is a grub 1-based bootable disk it won't do you much good
[22:34] <mzz> I don't know if there's a grub 2 equivalent
[22:34] <Jimmio> X7: Headphones unplugged? If I plug headphones into the front of my PC, it turns off the back output.
[22:34] <silverdrake11> mzz, well it works as in im able to boot karmic
[22:35] <silverdrake11> mzz, but when I dont have the cd in my drive, i cant
[22:35] <mzz> ok, so boot into karmic and run grub-install
[22:36] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok i just ran "update-grub2"
[22:36] <silverdrake11> mzz, ill reboot and see if that did anything
[22:36] <mzz> silverdrake11: iirc it won't
[22:36] <mzz> (assuming the problem is what I think it is, if it's something different it might)
[22:36] <silverdrake11> nope
[22:37] <silverdrake11> still "no such partition)
[22:37] <X7> Jimmio, nothing works
[22:37] <X7> Jimmio, and pulse audio says its outputting
[22:38] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok now ill try "grub-install /dev/sda5"
[22:38] <dupondje> I connected my mobile phone with bluetooth to my Computer. I selected 'use this for mobile connection'. I now see the MAC address of my device in NetworkManager, but I can't connect to it. Is there a way to debug this ?
[22:38] <mzz> silverdrake11: if you install to /dev/sda5, not /dev/sda, make sure sda5 is the only partition marked active
[22:38] <silverdrake11> mzz, sda5 is my karmic
[22:38] <mzz> that also assumes you have a boring mbr on /dev/sda that just defers to sda5, not a stale grub1 install
[22:39] <mzz> I usually prefer to install grub straight to the mbr for simplicity
[22:39] <silverdrake11> ok so then ill run "grub-install /dev/sda"
[22:40] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok so then ill run "grub-install /dev/sda"
[22:40] <mzz> yep
[22:40] <mzz> at least imho that's the "if in doubt" command :)
[22:41] <Plugh> hmm... just checked may laptop which is running karmic. It has grub 2 installed but the grub configuration file looks the same as with grub 1
[22:41] <dekkong> omg I dont like KDE at all... back to gnome again :D
[22:41] <silverdrake11> mzz, "im getting invalid device" when I run that in the terminal
[22:41] <Jaymac> do i have to do any special tomfoolery to get audio/video chat working with empathy? on msn or jabber protocols, if i right click on a contact, the video chat option is always greyed out
[22:42] <silverdrake11> mzz, nvm i typed in wrongt
[22:42] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok im restarting
[22:43] <silverdrake11> mzz, ok well it works
[22:44] <silverdrake11> mzz, since 3:00pm I have been trying to fix this, and now its almost 7:00pm. And all I had to do was type in a simple command.............................................
[22:44] <Plugh> bbiab
[22:45] <silverdrake11> mzz, just 'grub-install /sda/dev'
[22:45] <mzz> Plugh: may just be a stale config file. Grub reports its version above the boot menu (1.9something is grub 2)
[22:45] <mzz> /dev/sda, but yeah
[22:45] <silverdrake11> that was a typo
[22:47] <silverdrake11> mzz, thankyou very much mzz
[22:48] <dupondje> NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_device_bt_connect_cb(): Error connecting with bluez: Connection refused (111)
[22:48] <dupondje> hmz
[22:48] <dupondje> any idea ?
[22:48] <dmatt> !cake | mzz
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I've seen that
[22:49] <BUGabundo> dmatt: not yet :)
[22:49] <dmatt> :)
[22:49] <joaopinto> dupondje, have you disabled bluetooth services ?
[22:49] <dupondje> where ?
[22:49] <joaopinto> anywhere
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dupondje: $ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[22:50] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:50] <Ian_Corne> omg BUGabundo is alive!
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I'm always alive
[22:51] <BUGabundo> until I'm dead
[22:51] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: see (09:53:52 PM) BUGabundo: howdy
[22:51] <BUGabundo> benn here for one hour now!
[22:52] <dupondje> joaopinto: connected my mobile phone from the bluetooth wizard. On the last screen I could enable 'network connection ..' I enabled that, so there is a connection under my NetworkManager
[22:52] <sburwood> I just got here, BU
[22:52] <dupondje> BUGabundo: doesn't do anything :(
[22:52] <skreech> BUGabundo: And even then we can't be sure
[22:53] <sburwood> I'm impatient to see the final version of Koala
[22:53] <BUGabundo> skreech: I guess you are a MJ fan :D
[22:53] <BUGabundo> err
[22:53] <BUGabundo> sburwood: I bet you 200$ this is FINAL
[22:53] <BUGabundo> no changes in the next 2 days
[22:53] <BUGabundo> images have been in QA all day
[22:53] <BUGabundo> ready for branding
[22:53] <sburwood> maybe, but I'm still gonna wait til the official date
[22:54] <skreech> BUGabundo: Nope just getting ready for the Zombiepocalypse
[22:55] <habanany> I need help installing minefield on karmic
[22:55] <sburwood> BU, are there two teams?  I have noticed that the versions ending in .04 don't work on my computer, though the .10 are prefect
[22:55] <bjsnider> skreech, your country is having an election?
[22:55] <sburwood> perfect
[22:55] <dupondje> bleh :(
[22:56] <sburwood> and that has been the same since 7.04
[22:56] <joaopinto> sburwood, pure coincidence
[22:56] <BUGabundo> habanany: you need to get PPA
[22:57] <sburwood> Whether it is FINAL, BUGabundo, I'm still waiting
[22:57] <sburwood> 3x ... joaopinto
[22:57] <sburwood> ?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> habanany: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20091026 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20091024155722
[22:58] <koshari> anyone installed amarok14 (1.4) in 9.10?
[22:58] <sburwood> BUGabundo, where are the images in QA?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> !qa
[22:58] <Roey> Hi....
[22:58] <Roey> quesiton
[22:58] <BUGabundo> hggdh: do you have the direct link?
[22:58] <Roey> I trid installing to raid device and get this on boot:
[22:58] <BUGabundo> !ask | Roey
[22:58] <Roey> Gave up waiting for root device ...
[22:59] <Roey> ok, got it.
[22:59] <joaopinto> google: ubuntu qa iso
[22:59] <Roey> anyway,
[22:59] <Roey> the thing is I gt this:
[22:59] <Roey> ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/...........(some big hash) does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!
[22:59] <Roey> what the heck is with this?
[22:59] <Trunkz> I'm trying to install 9.10 (RC) and im getting a few install issues. Firstly, when trying to get passed the 'set the timezone' screen, i get a ubi-timezone failed with error 1
[23:00] <Trunkz> and next screen (usernames) get a similar error, as well as the keyboard page and the partition page just skips back to the timezone page =/
[23:00] <BUGabundo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:00] <Roey> Ubuntu is just not installing here.....
[23:00] <Roey> it's installing
[23:00] <BUGabundo> !google ubuntu qa iso
[23:00] <BullHorn> Google search: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:00] <Trunkz> any ideas? :)
[23:00] <Roey> but on bootup it gives me thatweird error
[23:00] <Roey> after GRUB times out
[23:00] <sburwood> BUGabundo, I can't imagine giving any counsels here.  I am still trying to climb the beginning of the learning curve
[23:01] <sburwood> anyway, thx
[23:01] <sburwood> bye
[23:01] <dmatt> Trunkz: check MD5 sum and check the disc, if it is burned correctly
[23:02] <Trunkz> ahh good point
[23:02] <Trunkz> i'll do that now
[23:03] <Ian_Corne> what's the command to update grub again?
[23:04] <Roey> you don't
[23:04] <Roey> it just infests your system.
[23:04] <Roey> OORGH *ptoo* this fucking grub.
[23:04] <Roey> back when I used lilo it was much simpler
[23:04] <Ian_Corne> use it then
[23:04] <Ian_Corne> stop whining
[23:04] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: errr update-grub ?
[23:04] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[23:04] <Roey> Ian_Corne: you don't have to update it I thought?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> !language ! Roey
[23:05] <Roey> I'm looking at the /boot that the
[23:05] <Roey> My apologies
[23:05] <Roey> I never curse on here
[23:05] <Roey> I've been withotu a usable system here for hte past two days since trying to install kubuntu 9.10
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> meh, i had to update because i remove the pae kernel
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> and the initrd links were broken
[23:05] <Roey> really?
[23:05] <Roey> eek
[23:06] <X7> I am having problems with alsa(pulse audio is working) also does not output anythign but it does detect the card
[23:06] <Ian_Corne> nothing really dramatic
[23:06] <Roey> what I don't understand is why there's no /boot/grub/menus.lst
[23:06] <X7> Roey, if ur using grub2 its /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:06] <Roey> ah
[23:06] <Roey> that I have
[23:06] <Roey> checking..
[23:07] <habanany> thanks BUGabundo, sorry, i was in the kitchen
[23:08] <Roey> X7: I get a timeout from GRUB and then it drops me a root shell with an error
[23:08] <Roey> X7: something liek "Gave up waiting for root device. ... ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/2ff..........(some big hash)..... does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
[23:09] <X7> Roey, open a pm. i got you.
[23:09] <mikebeecham> hey guys...just updated to Koala this evening...very smooth
[23:09] <mikebeecham> but one thing I've noticed (if you need to know), is that I cant turn off animations in compiz
[23:09] <Roey> aye, thanks, one sec
[23:09] <X7> Roey, just fixed that today on my machine lol
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> ok fixed :)
[23:09] <Trunkz> dmatt: I just checked the md5 hashes, both the same.
[23:09] <Trunkz> =/
[23:10] <Ian_Corne> Roey: switch to use /dev/sdax instead of UUID
[23:10] <Ian_Corne> i've had people having problems with UUID's before
[23:10] <benovic> to disable ipv6: since /etc/modprobe.d/aliases is gone - should one edit blacklist.conf and add a line:"blacklist ipv6"?
[23:13] <mikebeecham> hi guys...does anyone know if ithere's a workaround for not being able to disable animations in Karmic?
[23:13] <stardust1985> hi, does anybody know which hour it will be released?
[23:13] <habanany> BUGabundo kitchen again , what is PPA brother?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:13] <konam> :(
[23:13] <BUGabundo> habanany: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[23:13] <konam> ubuntu+1 rc isn't faster to boot on my machine
[23:14] <konam> grub takes a couple of seconds just to show up
[23:14] <Roey> Ian_Corne: I'm using /dev/md0.... I dropped to a root shell on startup and saw that there was no /dev/md*,  implying that the md drivers never get loaded and that's why it can't find /
[23:14] <konam> and after that it isn't any more faster too boot either
[23:14] <dmatt> Trunkz: and cd mechanic is OK? i had to use external, just check dmesg if there are any troubles concerning reading
[23:14] <konam> is the grub thing known?
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> what is that md0 device?
[23:14] <Trunkz> dmatt: I'm mounting it. (installing on vmware)
[23:16] <Trunkz> brb
[23:16] <Roey> Okay... I don't think the (soft)raid modules are loaded at startup, and I need that to see /.  I installed with the standard install disc.  How do I get this this system booting?
[23:17] <dupondje-> ok :) got it working now :)
[23:17] <Roey> ah
[23:17] <dupondje-> the only bad this is. When I connect my phone with USB, it shows RNDIS device in NetworkManager, but I can't connect to it
[23:18] <dupondje-> while it does register a eth0 device
[23:18] <vigo> This is neato
[23:18] <dupondje-> and ifup eth1 works ...
[23:18] <knarfix> hi
[23:18] <dupondje> [17069.319347] eth1: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-5, RNDIS device, 80:00:60:0f:e8:00
[23:20] <knarfix> hey folks, i have some minor problems, but karmic is cool :)
[23:21] <konam> grub takes a couple of seconds to show up... is this a known issue?
[23:21] <konam> popular or whatever..?
[23:21] <joaopinto> konam, that is not usual
[23:22] <stardust1985> konam: I looked to grub's bugzilla at savannah.gnu.org and I didn't find it reported
[23:22] <stardust1985> http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=grub
[23:22] <Roey> hey joaopinto
[23:22] <konam> joaopinto i know that grub was ok in the last version, i don't know what could be wrong now
[23:22] <joaopinto> konam, it's a new grub version
[23:23] <habanany> BUGabundo this is too much for a single day, maybe tomorrow, linux is like going back to school.
[23:23] <konam> joaopinto yeah, i mean, on top of that :)
[23:23] <stardust1985> Im affraid that grub2 is not mature enough yet..
[23:23] <Roey> joaopinto:  so apparently the softraid drivers don't get loaded on bootup so GRUB never does find / (which is on /dev/md0, which is /dev/sd{a,b}1).  I know this because when it drops me to a root shell in a panic, I check out /dev/ and see no /dev/md* anywhere....
[23:23] <Roey> what to do?
[23:23] <fuzzy> Hi! How do you add a sound theme in karmic koala?
[23:24] <dupondje> ok fixed :P
[23:24] <robotti^> has anybody used rEFIt boot loader?
[23:24] <joaopinto> Roey, erm, grub ? don't you have the kernel on a non raid /boot partition ?
[23:24] <konam> joaopinto my machine is pretty standard and has always worked with ubuntu flawlessly.. this issue will affect some users and maybe then a fix will show up
[23:24] <Roey> joaopinto: it's on /dev/md0 which is raided
[23:24] <Roey> joaopinto: and the kernel is there
[23:25] <joaopinto> konam, there has been people reporting slow grub startup, it's probably reported, search on launchpad
[23:25] <knarfix> fuzzy: syst->pref
[23:25] <knarfix> i think
[23:25] <konam> joaopinto that's what i first asked! i'm going to report it :)
[23:25] <joaopinto> Roey, erm, I am missing something, if the raid drivers are loaded from the kernel, how can you have it on the raid volume itself ?
[23:25] <fuzzy> ya well theres the ubuntu sound theme, only theres no way (in that dialog) to add a new one
[23:26] <knarfix> let me see ....
[23:26] <knarfix> hmm..
[23:26] <fuzzy> ... i guess its gonna be busy in this channel tomorrow huh?
[23:27] <Roey> joaopinto: I have no idea.  I installed 9.10 just a half hour ago.  Thi sis a stock install.
[23:27] <Roey> joaopinto: this is what I'm suspecting given that I did not see /dev/md* when it dropped me to a root shell
[23:27] <knarfix> yes :)
[23:27] <joaopinto> Roey, erm, root shell, you mean busybox ?
[23:28] <Roey> yes
[23:28] <Roey> ash
[23:28] <Roey> busybox ash shell
[23:28] <Roey> after it times out
[23:28] <Plugh> X7, can you tell me what you told Roey? I have the same problem. I think I almost have it fixed (at least I think I know the issue).
[23:28] <Roey> Plugh: btw I ended up reinstalling and I still have issues!
[23:29] <fuzzy> i suppose for those with the prerelease its just an update right?
[23:29] <Roey> hi Trunkz
[23:30] <Trunkz> supz.
[23:30] <Trunkz> right, got mirc fixed.
[23:30] <Trunkz> now.. onto this
[23:30] <Plugh> Roey, you now the exact same problem I have.
[23:30] <Roey> ha
[23:30] <Roey> I ran blkid
[23:30] <Roey> got the ids for all the drives too
[23:30] <Trunkz> huh?
[23:30] <Plugh> Roey, what do you see when you do --> ls /dev/mapper
[23:30] <Roey> Plugh: ooh
[23:31] <Roey> one sec
[23:31] <fuzzy> check my desktop, been tweaking it since i didnt have much to do today
[23:31] <Roey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ cat  /dev/mapper/control
[23:31] <Roey> cat: /dev/mapper/control: Permission denied
[23:31] <fuzzy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBZ5U3ciyM
[23:31] <Roey> Plugh: there is only one file there called 'control'
[23:31] <Roey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo cat  /dev/mapper/control
[23:31] <Roey> cat: /dev/mapper/control: Invalid argument
[23:31] <Roey> there.
[23:32] <fuzzy> i just wanna model something of my own to put in there
[23:32] <Roey> Plugh: so what was your solution?
[23:33] <joaopinto> Roey, if you get a busy box shell, it's the kernel which is not able to find your device
[23:33] <Roey> aah
[23:33] <joaopinto> a busy box shell is a post kernel load minimal shell
[23:33] <Roey> I can see straight away that the UUID in /boot/grub/grub.cfg is wrong
[23:33] <Roey> and this was auto-generated by the installer.
[23:34] <Roey> er wait now I am unsure.
[23:34] <konam> joaopinto it has been reported by other people already
[23:34] <Roey> http://pastebin.com/m26244f16
[23:34] <joaopinto> konam, right, I remember seing people here reporting...
[23:35] <Roey> joaopinto: so anyway,
[23:35] <Roey> we know that the kernel cannot find my /
[23:35] <Roey> er
[23:36] <Roey> where do I put in the correct UUID?
[23:36] <Roey> http://pastebin.com/m26244f16  shows the entry in grub.cfg
[23:36] <Plugh> Roey, I said to type the command --> ls /dev/mapper
[23:36] <Roey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /dev/mapper
[23:36] <Roey> control
[23:37] <Roey> Plugh: that above
[23:37] <Plugh> oh, then it seems that your system isn't recognizing the raid configuration
[23:37] <Roey> aye.
[23:37] <Roey> Plugh, joaopinto:  so it's not reading the raid config?
[23:39] <Plugh> ah ha!! i got it!!
[23:39] <Plugh> Roey, one of the things is your device.map file.
[23:39] <Roey> Plugh, joaopinto:   this info (blkid table and grub.cfg) should make it clearer:  http://pastebin.com/m2863b6e1
[23:39] <Roey> Plugh: that's in /boot/grub
[23:40] <Flynsarmy> In synaptic package manager in karmic all the items in 'package' menu are greyed out. how am i supposed to mark packages by task to install LAMP/samba etc like i did in every previous version?
[23:40] <benjamin_> okay, so I did an "update-notifier-kde -d" in order to upgrade to the 9.10 RC. All I get though is a little popup that says "No new upgrade available". Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[23:40] <Plugh> Roey, I'm coming from Fedora 8 which I had working with raid. On my machine the device.map file has isw_bfegefhaa_Vol0 for hd0 and I have no second hd entry
[23:40] <joaopinto> Roey, sorry, raid and grub2 are not my areas :P
[23:40] <Roey> Ihave updated the entry to include devices.map:  http://pastebin.com/m5e8ba990
[23:41] <Roey> Plugh: ok
[23:41] <Roey> joaopinto: ok
[23:41] <Plugh> Roey, that string of characters is what I see when I do the ls of /dev/mapper
[23:41] <Roey> Plugh: I just see 'control'
[23:41] <Roey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls -l /dev/mapper/
[23:41] <Roey> total 0
[23:41] <Roey> crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 60 2009-10-27 22:54 control
[23:43] <Plugh> One thing that got me is that partitions for my raid devices used to be isw_bfegefhaa_Vol0pn, where n was the partition number. With Karmic, it is now ..._Vol0n (ie. no more p).
[23:43] <Roey> ok
[23:43] <Plugh> I just had to update that in the root= part of my grub.conf fiel.
[23:43] <Roey> but at least you see yours
[23:43] <Roey> oh?
[23:43] <Roey> so if you see http://pastebin.com/m5e8ba990
[23:43] <dmatt> benjamin_: i found alternative: do-release-upgrade -d
[23:44] <Roey> that has blkid table, devices.map and grub.cfg.  Does it agree in your eyes?
[23:44] <konam> joaopinto do you know why they included the new version of grub on this release? at first i thought it was because it looked prettier but it still looks awful (that shock i had it when i first tried karmic in the beta stages)...
[23:44] <Roey> i.e. are my UUIDs set correctly in grub.cfg, given the UUID table in the output of 'blkid'?
[23:44] <Plugh> Roey, I don't use the UUID strings. I prefer to use the /dev/mapper/isw_... references.
[23:44] <benjamin_> dmatt: "No new release found"
[23:45] <joaopinto> konam, the older version is no longer maintaned, and the new version supports new things like, booting from isos, NFS, encrypted boot, etc
[23:45] <Roey> Plugh: I see /dev/md* with this livecd but not /dev/mapper.
[23:45] <dmatt> benjamin_: try to change to other repo, maybe yours do not mirror karmic yet
[23:45] <joaopinto> benjamin_, did you use -d ?
[23:45] <benjamin_> dmatt: what do i need to add? and yes, i did the -d
[23:45] <konam> joaopinto oh, it was a no brainer then hehe
[23:47] <Plugh> Roey: Hm... lets try something... boot your system and when you get dropped to a shell, type 'modprobe dm-raid4', then do 'ls /dev/mapper' and see if you get something other than control
[23:47] <Roey> ok
[23:47] <Roey> if I do?
[23:47] <dmatt> benjamin_: in kpackagekit, go to settings, and change server in download from
[23:47] <Roey> and if I don't
[23:47] <Roey> ?
[23:48] <Plugh> Roey, then I won't know what value you will need to use in the device.map file and on the kernel line in grub.conf
[23:48] <Roey> er
[23:48] <Roey> I mean
[23:48] <benjamin_> dmatt: okay, i'll install kpackagekit and give that a shot
[23:49] <Roey> Plugh: *lol* I didn't mean it like that, I meant that in case I do not see any such file(s), should I do something?
[23:49] <dmatt> benjamin_: it should be installed by default
[23:49] <Roey> Plugh: lemme reboot ;) I'll see you in a few.
[23:49] <Roey> btw, thanks
[23:49] <benjamin_> dmatt: it's not, so i'm installing it now
[23:49] <dmatt> benjamin_: could be changed in any tool you use for package management
[23:50] <darrend> where are acpi button events logged?
[23:53] <ac13> is evince broken for anyone else? I haven't been able to open pdfs for a couple of days...
[23:54] <benjamin_> dmatt: what do i change in kpackagekit...?
[23:54] <dmatt> benjamin_: in kpackagekit, go to settings, and change server in download from
[23:55] <ac13> actually I can't even start up evince
[23:55] <benjamin_> there's no "download from" button or field
[23:57] <dmatt> benjamin_: sorry, you must hit edit software sources button first
[23:57] <oorah> i still had the screen flickering problem today, a while after reporting the but. guess i'll just try the final release live boot and see if its fixed, if not i'll just stick with jaunty for a while
[23:58] <benjamin_> dmatt: all I have is "Main Server" or "United States". It's set to United States right now
[23:58] <oorah> anyone else have the screen brightness flickering problem?
[23:59] <dmatt> benjamin_: that should be allright...
[23:59] <oorah> brb gotta restart