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| lool | ojn: We dont I'm afraid | 09:04 |
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| eFfeM | hi, i tried to install mythtv on jaunty on arm, but it complains about unmet dependencies for mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend, any idea how to get mythtv on my system ? | 10:09 |
| lool | eFfeM: It might be that some packages failed to build to have the set of packages in mythtv installable; this might be better in karmic (didn't check) but karmic requires armv6 + vfp | 10:24 |
| eFfeM | i know karmic requires armv6, and I am on a sheevaplug which is armv5 | 10:25 |
| eFfeM | apparently people managed to do a manual build | 10:25 |
| eFfeM | one of the issues seems to be that mythtv does not like qt4 so if libqt4-dev is installed it won't build | 10:27 |
| eFfeM | http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Compiling_Mythtv-0.21_on_the_Sheeva_Plug | 10:27 |
| eFfeM | doing this now ... | 10:27 |
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| lool | ogra: I revamped most of the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageKarmicInstall which had become inaccurate; mind reviewing? The link is broken but should work after release | 16:59 |
| ogra | lool, looks ok, i was planning to add another subpage about how to switch install modes (oem, only-ubiquity, or if you feel like, integrity check) ... redboot-cmdline makes that easy | 17:02 |
| JamieBennett | ogra: That would be useful as I was playing with redboot stuff at the end of last week to little effect. | 17:28 |
| ogra | what did you try ? | 17:32 |
| * ogra just discovered a bug in redboot-cmdline ... it doesnt like slashes in cmdlines :) | 17:33 | |
| JamieBennett | ogra: I discovered another, there is no documentation :P | 17:34 |
| ogra | -h | 17:34 |
| ogra | :P | 17:34 |
| ogra | it only has two options | 17:34 |
| ogra | err, three | 17:34 |
| ogra | (the -o isnt actually needed on sanely set up redboot partitions) | 17:35 |
| JamieBennett | I was trying to change boot options with redboot-install but ... | 17:35 |
| JamieBennett | I gave up | 17:35 |
| ogra | with redboot-install you also install a redboot binary, kernel and initramfs :) | 17:36 |
| ogra | its purpose it to create a bootable partition | 17:36 |
| JamieBennett | doh :) | 17:36 |
| ogra | you just used the wrong tool | 17:36 |
| ogra | i agree it should grow manpages though :) | 17:37 |
| ogra | its on my lucid todo already | 17:37 |
| JamieBennett | I was also hitting a brick wall with fconfig :( | 17:38 |
| * ojn feels brave and does a dist-upgrade from jaunty to karmic on the pegatron | 18:07 | |
| lool | ojn: tell us how that goes :-0 | 18:07 |
| lool | Only some people at Canonical have the hardware and they just use a karmic chroot on an external harddrive | 18:07 |
| lool | ojn: The biggest issue is lack of serial console, you need a special adapter I think | 18:07 |
| ogra | i think you might run into kernel upgrade issues | 18:08 |
| ogra | userspace should be flawless though | 18:08 |
| ojn | lool: yeah, of course the system didn't come with that. I should be able to replace the kernel using the fconfig tools though, right? | 18:08 |
| ogra | if it breaks it will break in initramfs setup or anything else related to the bootloader | 18:08 |
| lool | ojn: Yes; did you get kernel source? | 18:08 |
| lool | ojn: Our kernels don't support this particular board | 18:09 |
| ogra | (or kernel package) | 18:09 |
| ojn | lool: no idea | 18:09 |
| lool | ojn: Actually fconfig is for redboot configuration; you want "fis" to replace the kernel | 18:09 |
| ojn | lool: really? Hmm. | 18:09 |
| lool | ojn: Oh wait | 18:09 |
| lool | ojn: Your kernel is actually in flash on these | 18:09 |
| ogra | yeah, we wont break it ... | 18:09 |
| lool | ojn: fis/fconfig are userspace tools to replace stuff on a SD | 18:09 |
| ojn | lool: Ugh. double fail. | 18:10 |
| ogra | but the packages might fail to install/upgrade | 18:10 |
| ogra | as i said, bootloader, initramfs or kernel ... one of the three will likely break | 18:10 |
| ojn | Ok. I'll just archive the hardware until there's reasonable hardware support then. | 18:10 |
| ojn | back to the ti boards instead. At least I can upgrade those myself. | 18:11 |
| ogra | its unlikely that we'll ever support initramfs less setups ... which i think the pegatron uses | 18:12 |
| ogra | (in the distro releases that is) | 18:12 |
| armin76 | ojn: put gentoo on it and gimme access *g* | 18:13 |
| ojn | Right. I used initram-less setups all the time on ppc | 18:13 |
| ojn | armin76: Want me to put speed holes in it first? | 18:14 |
| ogra | right, ubuntu uses initramfs for way to many things in userspace ... the general distro stuff will go on using it pretty sure | 18:14 |
| ogra | oem images that are tailored for a certain task (like the jaunty on your pegatron) might not ... but then you have a cut down in features | 18:14 |
| armin76 | ojn: yes :D | 18:14 |
| ojn | ogra: what's the approach to deal with the platform proliferation anyway? I'm hoping both marvell and freescale allow multi-board kernels, even if arm overall doesn't allow multi-platform (marvell+freescale for example) kenrels at this time? | 18:15 |
| lool | ojn: Did I mention that your kernel probably lacks a flash driver? | 18:15 |
| ojn | lool: yeah, looks like this is a piece of useless junk. | 18:16 |
| lool | ojn: I think the driver is ready "upstream" now but I dont know whether it's public | 18:16 |
| lool | ojn: *cough* sorry; that should fix itself pretty soon though | 18:16 |
| armin76 | thats why its free :) | 18:16 |
| ojn | lool: that's sorta moot since I can't even boot a different kernel as far as I can tell | 18:16 |
| ojn | lool: how? without a flash driver, how do I replace the kernel? | 18:16 |
| ojn | armin76: sorta defeats the purpose, doesn't it? | 18:16 |
| ogra | ojn, afaik the lange patches arent fully compatible with the babbage patches ... which likely keeps us from having a generic imx51 kernel | 18:17 |
| ogra | cool, my only-ubiquity install passed fine :) | 18:17 |
| ojn | ogra: that will just be a world of pain then | 18:17 |
| ojn | but i'm sure people will work on fixing it over time. or they will go insane. | 18:18 |
| ogra | rightr | 18:18 |
| ogra | luckily thats in the realm of the kernel team :P | 18:18 |
| ogra | i only use their packages :) | 18:18 |
| ogra | so they have to find a way :) | 18:19 |
| lool | ojn: So below the board you have DIP switches | 18:19 |
| ojn | yeah. i'm guessing it's just not top prio for the first platforms | 18:19 |
| lool | ojn: You can make it boot on micro SD | 18:19 |
| lool | ojn: Which is also below the board | 18:19 |
| ojn | lool: ah, cool | 18:19 |
| ojn | yeah, I noticed that | 18:19 |
| lool | ojn: That's the setup which Efika MX / Genesi uses | 18:19 |
| armin76 | can't you netboot it? | 18:19 |
| armin76 | tftpboot, that is | 18:20 |
| ojn | not sure of redboot has tftp client? | 18:20 |
| ogra | it can get kernels from http at least | 18:20 |
| ogra | but you need to configure it | 18:20 |
| ogra | which means you need access to fconfig | 18:20 |
| ogra | which in turn doesnt support flash atm | 18:20 |
| ojn | or at least a serial console? :) | 18:20 |
| armin76 | can't you do it on the bootloader itself? | 18:20 |
| ogra | ojn, well, if you have a proper redboot setup, redboot-tools will just work | 18:21 |
| ojn | ogra: ok. I will tread lightly until I have a serial console available so I at least can recover from misconfiguration. | 18:22 |
| ogra | ojn, which means you need neither a serial console nor flash support ... use an SD card use redboot-install and redboot-cmdline with your own kernel and initramfs | 18:22 |
| ojn | ogra: heh, ok | 18:22 |
| ogra | use the DIP switch method lool pointed out | 18:22 |
| armin76 | serial console is cool | 18:22 |
| armin76 | ojn: does it have vga? | 18:23 |
| ogra | then use an SD with redboot-install, your initramfs and kernel ... then you can use userspace/rootfs as you like | 18:23 |
| ojn | armin76: yes, it has vga but the framebuffer driver initializes (late) in linux | 18:24 |
| ojn | ogra: thanks, will take a look. need to order another microsd, the one I have I use on the overo. | 18:24 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageImageFromScratch should largely get you going (you will likely need your own redboot binary too for lange though) | 18:26 |
| armin76 | why didn't they use uboot? | 18:26 |
| ogra | uboot is underway ... but still immature | 18:26 |
| ogra | and redboot works ... | 18:26 |
| ojn | u-boot isn't exactly great either | 18:27 |
| ogra | and is now configurable without second machine, at least on our images/installs | 18:27 |
| armin76 | ogra: whats the difference between the babbage and lange? | 18:27 |
| ogra | different SoC same arch ... so different kernel patches and bootloaders | 18:28 |
| ogra | neither was published in time to make karmic | 18:28 |
| ogra | i want lange support aside babbage in lucid though ... so i hope to get kernel and redboot patches for next round | 18:29 |
| ojn | Anyone here with a nokia n900, btw? | 18:31 |
| armin76 | ogra has one | 18:32 |
| ojn | I think I scared him away. :) | 18:46 |
| suihkulokki | ojn: try #maemo for n900 users | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ojn, yes, it could run ubuntu, if you truely wanted :P | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | it wouldn't even be that hard | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs.. | 18:54 |
| ojn | yeah, that was a bit offtopic. Wasn't asking with anything ubuntu in mind for it, just looking for someone who has one | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs.. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | er. | 19:15 |
| JamieBennett | ojn: I have an n900 too, so does ogra and Stskeeps at least | 19:17 |
| ojn | JamieBennett: cool. see /msg. :) | 19:18 |
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