[09:04] <lool> ojn: We dont I'm afraid
[10:09] <eFfeM> hi, i tried to install mythtv on jaunty on arm, but it complains about unmet dependencies for mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend, any idea how to get mythtv on my system ?
[10:24] <lool> eFfeM: It might be that some packages failed to build to have the set of packages in mythtv installable; this might be better in karmic (didn't check) but karmic requires armv6 + vfp
[10:25] <eFfeM> i know karmic requires armv6, and I am on a sheevaplug which is armv5
[10:25] <eFfeM> apparently people managed to do a manual build
[10:27] <eFfeM> one of the issues seems to be that mythtv does not like qt4 so if libqt4-dev is installed it won't build
[10:27] <eFfeM> http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Compiling_Mythtv-0.21_on_the_Sheeva_Plug
[10:27] <eFfeM> doing this now ...
[16:59] <lool> ogra: I revamped most of the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageKarmicInstall which had become inaccurate; mind reviewing?  The link is broken but should work after release
[17:02] <ogra> lool, looks ok, i was planning to add another subpage about how to switch install modes (oem, only-ubiquity, or if you feel like, integrity check) ... redboot-cmdline makes that easy
[17:28] <JamieBennett> ogra: That would be useful as I was playing with redboot stuff at the end of last week to little effect.
[17:32] <ogra> what did you try ?
[17:33]  * ogra just discovered a bug in redboot-cmdline ... it doesnt like slashes in cmdlines :)
[17:34] <JamieBennett> ogra: I discovered another, there is no documentation :P
[17:34] <ogra> -h
[17:34] <ogra> :P
[17:34] <ogra> it only has two options
[17:34] <ogra> err, three
[17:35] <ogra> (the -o isnt actually needed on sanely set up redboot partitions)
[17:35] <JamieBennett> I was trying to change boot options with redboot-install but ...
[17:35] <JamieBennett> I gave up
[17:36] <ogra> with redboot-install you also install a redboot binary, kernel and initramfs :)
[17:36] <ogra> its purpose it to create a bootable partition
[17:36] <JamieBennett> doh :)
[17:36] <ogra> you just used the wrong tool
[17:37] <ogra> i agree it should grow manpages though :)
[17:37] <ogra> its on my lucid todo already
[17:38] <JamieBennett> I was also hitting a brick wall with fconfig :(
[18:07]  * ojn feels brave and does a dist-upgrade from jaunty to karmic on the pegatron
[18:07] <lool> ojn: tell us how that goes   :-0
[18:07] <lool> Only some people at Canonical have the hardware and they just use a karmic chroot on an external harddrive
[18:07] <lool> ojn: The biggest issue is lack of serial console, you need a special adapter I think
[18:08] <ogra> i think you might run into kernel upgrade issues
[18:08] <ogra> userspace should be flawless though
[18:08] <ojn> lool: yeah, of course the system didn't come with that. I should be able to replace the kernel using the fconfig tools though, right?
[18:08] <ogra> if it breaks it will break in initramfs setup or anything else related to the bootloader
[18:08] <lool> ojn: Yes; did you get kernel source?
[18:09] <lool> ojn: Our kernels don't support this particular board
[18:09] <ogra> (or kernel package)
[18:09] <ojn> lool: no idea
[18:09] <lool> ojn: Actually fconfig is for redboot configuration; you want "fis" to replace the kernel
[18:09] <ojn> lool: really? Hmm.
[18:09] <lool> ojn: Oh wait
[18:09] <lool> ojn: Your kernel is actually in flash on these
[18:09] <ogra> yeah, we wont break it ...
[18:09] <lool> ojn: fis/fconfig are userspace tools to replace stuff on a SD
[18:10] <ojn> lool: Ugh. double fail.
[18:10] <ogra> but the packages might fail to install/upgrade
[18:10] <ogra> as i said, bootloader, initramfs or kernel ... one of the three will likely break
[18:10] <ojn> Ok. I'll just archive the hardware until there's reasonable hardware support then.
[18:11] <ojn> back to the ti boards instead. At least I can upgrade those myself.
[18:12] <ogra> its unlikely that we'll ever support initramfs less setups ... which i think the pegatron uses
[18:12] <ogra> (in the distro releases that is)
[18:13] <armin76> ojn: put gentoo on it and gimme access *g*
[18:13] <ojn> Right. I used initram-less setups all the time on ppc
[18:14] <ojn> armin76: Want me to put speed holes in it first?
[18:14] <ogra> right, ubuntu uses initramfs for way to many things in userspace ... the general distro stuff will go on using it pretty sure
[18:14] <ogra> oem images that are tailored for a certain task (like the jaunty on your pegatron) might not ... but then you have a cut down in features
[18:14] <armin76> ojn: yes :D
[18:15] <ojn> ogra: what's the approach to deal with the platform proliferation anyway? I'm hoping both marvell and freescale allow multi-board kernels, even if arm overall doesn't allow multi-platform (marvell+freescale for example) kenrels at this time?
[18:15] <lool> ojn: Did I mention that your kernel probably lacks a flash driver?
[18:16] <ojn> lool: yeah, looks like this is a piece of useless junk.
[18:16] <lool> ojn: I think the driver is ready "upstream" now but I dont know whether it's public
[18:16] <lool> ojn: *cough* sorry; that should fix itself pretty soon though
[18:16] <armin76> thats why its free :)
[18:16] <ojn> lool: that's sorta moot since I can't even boot a different kernel as far as I can tell
[18:16] <ojn> lool: how? without a flash driver, how do I replace the kernel?
[18:16] <ojn> armin76: sorta defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
[18:17] <ogra> ojn, afaik the lange patches arent fully compatible with the babbage patches  ... which likely keeps us from having a generic imx51 kernel
[18:17] <ogra> cool, my only-ubiquity install passed fine :)
[18:17] <ojn> ogra: that will just be a world of pain then
[18:18] <ojn> but i'm sure people will work on fixing it over time. or they will go insane.
[18:18] <ogra> rightr
[18:18] <ogra> luckily thats in the realm of the kernel team :P
[18:18] <ogra> i only use their packages :)
[18:19] <ogra> so they have to find a way :)
[18:19] <lool> ojn: So below the board you have DIP switches
[18:19] <ojn> yeah. i'm guessing it's just not top prio for the first platforms
[18:19] <lool> ojn: You can make it boot on micro SD
[18:19] <lool> ojn: Which is also below the board
[18:19] <ojn> lool: ah, cool
[18:19] <ojn> yeah, I noticed that
[18:19] <lool> ojn: That's the setup which Efika MX / Genesi uses
[18:19] <armin76> can't you netboot it?
[18:20] <armin76> tftpboot, that is
[18:20] <ojn> not sure of redboot has tftp client?
[18:20] <ogra> it can get kernels from http at least
[18:20] <ogra> but you need to configure it
[18:20] <ogra> which means you need access to fconfig
[18:20] <ogra> which in turn doesnt support flash atm
[18:20] <ojn> or at least a serial console? :)
[18:20] <armin76> can't you do it on the bootloader itself?
[18:21] <ogra> ojn, well, if you have a proper redboot setup, redboot-tools will just work
[18:22] <ojn> ogra: ok. I will tread lightly until I have a serial console available so I at least can recover from misconfiguration.
[18:22] <ogra> ojn, which means you need neither a serial console nor flash support ... use an SD card use redboot-install and redboot-cmdline with your own kernel and initramfs
[18:22] <ojn> ogra: heh, ok
[18:22] <ogra> use the DIP switch method lool pointed out
[18:22] <armin76> serial console is cool
[18:23] <armin76> ojn: does it have vga?
[18:23] <ogra> then use an SD with redboot-install, your initramfs and kernel ... then you can use userspace/rootfs as you like
[18:24] <ojn> armin76: yes, it has vga but the framebuffer driver initializes (late) in linux
[18:24] <ojn> ogra: thanks, will take a look. need to order another microsd, the one I have I use on the overo.
[18:26] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageImageFromScratch should largely get you going (you will likely need your own redboot binary too for lange though)
[18:26] <armin76> why didn't they use uboot?
[18:26] <ogra> uboot is underway ... but still immature
[18:26] <ogra> and redboot works ...
[18:27] <ojn> u-boot isn't exactly great either
[18:27] <ogra> and is now configurable without second machine, at least on our images/installs
[18:27] <armin76> ogra: whats the difference between the babbage and lange?
[18:28] <ogra> different SoC same arch ... so different kernel patches and bootloaders
[18:28] <ogra> neither was published in time to make karmic
[18:29] <ogra> i want lange support aside babbage in lucid though ... so i hope to get kernel and redboot patches for next round
[18:31] <ojn> Anyone here with a nokia n900, btw?
[18:32] <armin76> ogra has one
[18:46] <ojn> I think I scared him away. :)
[18:53] <suihkulokki> ojn: try #maemo for n900 users
[18:54] <Stskeeps> ojn, yes, it could run ubuntu, if you truely wanted :P
[18:54] <ali1234> it wouldn't even be that hard
[18:54] <Stskeeps> we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs..
[19:12] <ojn> yeah, that was a bit offtopic. Wasn't asking with anything ubuntu in mind for it, just looking for someone who has one
[19:15] <Stskeeps> we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs..
[19:15] <Stskeeps> er.
[19:17] <JamieBennett> ojn: I have an n900 too, so does ogra and Stskeeps at least
[19:18] <ojn> JamieBennett: cool. see /msg. :)