=== bjf is now known as bjf-afk [09:04] ojn: We dont I'm afraid === Stskeepz is now known as Stskeeps [10:09] hi, i tried to install mythtv on jaunty on arm, but it complains about unmet dependencies for mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend, any idea how to get mythtv on my system ? [10:24] eFfeM: It might be that some packages failed to build to have the set of packages in mythtv installable; this might be better in karmic (didn't check) but karmic requires armv6 + vfp [10:25] i know karmic requires armv6, and I am on a sheevaplug which is armv5 [10:25] apparently people managed to do a manual build [10:27] one of the issues seems to be that mythtv does not like qt4 so if libqt4-dev is installed it won't build [10:27] http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Compiling_Mythtv-0.21_on_the_Sheeva_Plug [10:27] doing this now ... === eFfeM is now known as eFfeM-lunch === eFfeM-lunch is now known as eFfeM-away === JamieBennett1 is now known as JamieBennett === bjf-afk is now known as bjf === eFfeM-away is now known as eFfeM === dmart_ is now known as dmart [16:59] ogra: I revamped most of the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageKarmicInstall which had become inaccurate; mind reviewing? The link is broken but should work after release [17:02] lool, looks ok, i was planning to add another subpage about how to switch install modes (oem, only-ubiquity, or if you feel like, integrity check) ... redboot-cmdline makes that easy [17:28] ogra: That would be useful as I was playing with redboot stuff at the end of last week to little effect. [17:32] what did you try ? [17:33] * ogra just discovered a bug in redboot-cmdline ... it doesnt like slashes in cmdlines :) [17:34] ogra: I discovered another, there is no documentation :P [17:34] -h [17:34] :P [17:34] it only has two options [17:34] err, three [17:35] (the -o isnt actually needed on sanely set up redboot partitions) [17:35] I was trying to change boot options with redboot-install but ... [17:35] I gave up [17:36] with redboot-install you also install a redboot binary, kernel and initramfs :) [17:36] its purpose it to create a bootable partition [17:36] doh :) [17:36] you just used the wrong tool [17:37] i agree it should grow manpages though :) [17:37] its on my lucid todo already [17:38] I was also hitting a brick wall with fconfig :( [18:07] * ojn feels brave and does a dist-upgrade from jaunty to karmic on the pegatron [18:07] ojn: tell us how that goes :-0 [18:07] Only some people at Canonical have the hardware and they just use a karmic chroot on an external harddrive [18:07] ojn: The biggest issue is lack of serial console, you need a special adapter I think [18:08] i think you might run into kernel upgrade issues [18:08] userspace should be flawless though [18:08] lool: yeah, of course the system didn't come with that. I should be able to replace the kernel using the fconfig tools though, right? [18:08] if it breaks it will break in initramfs setup or anything else related to the bootloader [18:08] ojn: Yes; did you get kernel source? [18:09] ojn: Our kernels don't support this particular board [18:09] (or kernel package) [18:09] lool: no idea [18:09] ojn: Actually fconfig is for redboot configuration; you want "fis" to replace the kernel [18:09] lool: really? Hmm. [18:09] ojn: Oh wait [18:09] ojn: Your kernel is actually in flash on these [18:09] yeah, we wont break it ... [18:09] ojn: fis/fconfig are userspace tools to replace stuff on a SD [18:10] lool: Ugh. double fail. [18:10] but the packages might fail to install/upgrade [18:10] as i said, bootloader, initramfs or kernel ... one of the three will likely break [18:10] Ok. I'll just archive the hardware until there's reasonable hardware support then. [18:11] back to the ti boards instead. At least I can upgrade those myself. [18:12] its unlikely that we'll ever support initramfs less setups ... which i think the pegatron uses [18:12] (in the distro releases that is) [18:13] ojn: put gentoo on it and gimme access *g* [18:13] Right. I used initram-less setups all the time on ppc [18:14] armin76: Want me to put speed holes in it first? [18:14] right, ubuntu uses initramfs for way to many things in userspace ... the general distro stuff will go on using it pretty sure [18:14] oem images that are tailored for a certain task (like the jaunty on your pegatron) might not ... but then you have a cut down in features [18:14] ojn: yes :D [18:15] ogra: what's the approach to deal with the platform proliferation anyway? I'm hoping both marvell and freescale allow multi-board kernels, even if arm overall doesn't allow multi-platform (marvell+freescale for example) kenrels at this time? [18:15] ojn: Did I mention that your kernel probably lacks a flash driver? [18:16] lool: yeah, looks like this is a piece of useless junk. [18:16] ojn: I think the driver is ready "upstream" now but I dont know whether it's public [18:16] ojn: *cough* sorry; that should fix itself pretty soon though [18:16] thats why its free :) [18:16] lool: that's sorta moot since I can't even boot a different kernel as far as I can tell [18:16] lool: how? without a flash driver, how do I replace the kernel? [18:16] armin76: sorta defeats the purpose, doesn't it? [18:17] ojn, afaik the lange patches arent fully compatible with the babbage patches ... which likely keeps us from having a generic imx51 kernel [18:17] cool, my only-ubiquity install passed fine :) [18:17] ogra: that will just be a world of pain then [18:18] but i'm sure people will work on fixing it over time. or they will go insane. [18:18] rightr [18:18] luckily thats in the realm of the kernel team :P [18:18] i only use their packages :) [18:19] so they have to find a way :) [18:19] ojn: So below the board you have DIP switches [18:19] yeah. i'm guessing it's just not top prio for the first platforms [18:19] ojn: You can make it boot on micro SD [18:19] ojn: Which is also below the board [18:19] lool: ah, cool [18:19] yeah, I noticed that [18:19] ojn: That's the setup which Efika MX / Genesi uses [18:19] can't you netboot it? [18:20] tftpboot, that is [18:20] not sure of redboot has tftp client? [18:20] it can get kernels from http at least [18:20] but you need to configure it [18:20] which means you need access to fconfig [18:20] which in turn doesnt support flash atm [18:20] or at least a serial console? :) [18:20] can't you do it on the bootloader itself? [18:21] ojn, well, if you have a proper redboot setup, redboot-tools will just work [18:22] ogra: ok. I will tread lightly until I have a serial console available so I at least can recover from misconfiguration. [18:22] ojn, which means you need neither a serial console nor flash support ... use an SD card use redboot-install and redboot-cmdline with your own kernel and initramfs [18:22] ogra: heh, ok [18:22] use the DIP switch method lool pointed out [18:22] serial console is cool [18:23] ojn: does it have vga? [18:23] then use an SD with redboot-install, your initramfs and kernel ... then you can use userspace/rootfs as you like [18:24] armin76: yes, it has vga but the framebuffer driver initializes (late) in linux [18:24] ogra: thanks, will take a look. need to order another microsd, the one I have I use on the overo. [18:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageImageFromScratch should largely get you going (you will likely need your own redboot binary too for lange though) [18:26] why didn't they use uboot? [18:26] uboot is underway ... but still immature [18:26] and redboot works ... [18:27] u-boot isn't exactly great either [18:27] and is now configurable without second machine, at least on our images/installs [18:27] ogra: whats the difference between the babbage and lange? [18:28] different SoC same arch ... so different kernel patches and bootloaders [18:28] neither was published in time to make karmic [18:29] i want lange support aside babbage in lucid though ... so i hope to get kernel and redboot patches for next round [18:31] Anyone here with a nokia n900, btw? [18:32] ogra has one [18:46] I think I scared him away. :) [18:53] ojn: try #maemo for n900 users [18:54] ojn, yes, it could run ubuntu, if you truely wanted :P [18:54] it wouldn't even be that hard [18:54] we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs.. [19:12] yeah, that was a bit offtopic. Wasn't asking with anything ubuntu in mind for it, just looking for someone who has one [19:15] we have multiboot already, and when you have something poking the watchdogs.. [19:15] er. [19:17] ojn: I have an n900 too, so does ogra and Stskeeps at least [19:18] JamieBennett: cool. see /msg. :) === rbelem__ is now known as rbelem