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| pitti | Good morning | 06:57 |
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| didrocks | good morning pitti | 07:03 |
| TheMuso | Hey pitti. | 07:43 |
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| seb128 | hello there | 08:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hello everyone | 08:49 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, good morning seb128 | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson pitti | 08:50 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:51 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: btw, are you still looking for things to fix? bug 389322 is making a lot of people unhappy | 08:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389322 in pidgin "Yahoo server authentication changed: Pidgin =<2.5.6 will not connect to Yahoo! servers." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389322 | 08:51 |
| pitti | this needs a backport of the yahoo bits to hardy | 08:51 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti / seb128 | 08:52 |
| seb128 | those u-d-d discussions are annoying | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i can take a look at that, but i don't know the pidgin code all that well | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | i might be able to figure it out though:) | 08:52 |
| Laney | that stuff was really annoying to backport to hardy when i looked at it | 08:53 |
| seb128 | "don't ship karmic it's not ready, there is some graphical things some users don't like and dvd playing doesn't work perfectly in totem yet" | 08:53 |
| seb128 | yeah, right... | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i saw that one too | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | and the replies to digest's are annoying too | 08:54 |
| huats | morning everyone | 08:54 |
| seb128 | hey huats | 08:57 |
| huats | hey seb128 | 08:57 |
| huats | how are you | 08:57 |
| huats | ? | 08:57 |
| huats | busy busy busy I imagine | 08:57 |
| huats | :) | 08:57 |
| seb128 | bit tired and waiting for karmic | 08:57 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:57 |
| huats | bit tired too | 08:57 |
| huats | and otherwise could be worst | 08:58 |
| huats | still waiting... | 08:58 |
| didrocks | lut seb128, hey chrisccoulson | 08:58 |
| huats | and very busy with the company | 08:58 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:58 |
| huats | (which is great I agree) | 08:58 |
| seb128 | huats, ok, good luck, business is good for you now? | 08:58 |
| huats | seb128, starts to be good | 08:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 08:59 |
| huats | need to see if it is just the end of the year | 08:59 |
| huats | or if it will be like this early next year | 08:59 |
| huats | but the nov/dec are just madness :) | 08:59 |
| chrisccoulson | hello huats | 09:06 |
| huats | hey chrisccoulson | 09:11 |
| seb128 | I need to get used to see rickspencer3 so early there | 09:14 |
| seb128 | I need to get used to see rickspencer3 so early there | 09:14 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 09:14 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 09:14 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 09:14 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 09:16 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 09:19 |
| rickspencer3 | jono, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm | 09:35 |
| asac | nice | 09:39 |
| rickspencer3 | good morning asac | 09:39 |
| asac | morning rick ;) | 09:40 |
| asac | how is the london weather? | 09:40 |
| davmor2 | rickspencer3: It's great isn't it, it's almost like a review :) | 09:40 |
| rickspencer3 | asac, rainy, chilly ... so pretty normal | 09:40 |
| rickspencer3 | davmor2, yeah, pretty cool | 09:40 |
| davmor2 | rickspencer3: sorry for a second I thought that was the weather report for London :D | 09:41 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, good news wrt to the empathy patch | 09:42 |
| * rickspencer3 crosses fingers | 09:42 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: wrt. my report, or did you hear other positive ones? | 09:43 |
| rickspencer3 | your report | 09:43 |
| asac | pitti: can we remove firefox-3.0 from the archive completely? or is it ok to have it superseded in universe? | 09:53 |
| asac | i have opened bug 461782 | 09:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461782 in firefox-3.0 "remove firefox-3.0 from archive." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461782 | 09:55 |
| pitti | asac: checking | 09:55 |
| pitti | asac: done, bug updated; thanks! | 09:57 |
| asac | too bad that bfilter still rdepends on xulrunner-1.9 ... i think without that we could get rid of that too | 09:57 |
| asac | pitti: thanks could you chcek if bfilter is really the last that still requires 1.9? | 09:57 |
| pitti | asac: hm, I commented on that one yesterday, and there were a fair number of rdepends still (I copied checkrdepends) | 09:58 |
| asac | really= | 09:58 |
| asac | ? | 09:58 |
| asac | what bug was that ;) | 09:58 |
| * asac searches | 09:58 | |
| asac | pitti: sure that was xulrunner-1.9 bug? | 10:00 |
| asac | we fixed two more rdepends yesterdayy | 10:00 |
| pitti | asac: bug 456191 | 10:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456191 in xulrunner-1.9 "remove xulrunner-1.9 from archive or demote to universe" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456191 | 10:01 |
| asac | hmm | 10:01 |
| asac | fix released ... thats why i didnt find it | 10:01 |
| asac | mozilla-helix-player -> fixed in archive | 10:02 |
| asac | ok | 10:02 |
| asac | then nevermind | 10:02 |
| asac | we went through what we found in Sources/Pakcages three times | 10:02 |
| asac | sugar-hulahop is also fixed | 10:03 |
| asac | pitti: google-gadgets is build dep xulrunner-dev | xulrunner-1.9-dev | 10:04 |
| asac | thats ok | 10:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know where the bugs about floppy drives being listed in devicekit-disks when there is none should go? | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: usually that's a kernel bug (detecting an fd if there is none) | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, I reassigned 2 of those to devicekit-disks now | 10:09 |
| pitti | asac: there might be some false positives on the list due to alternative b-deps, yes | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, will look | 10:09 |
| seb128 | should I move them to linux? what log would you need? | 10:10 |
| pitti | seb128: dmesg and lspci, I think | 10:10 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:10 |
| seb128 | I will ask for those | 10:10 |
| asac | pitti: updated | 10:10 |
| asac | pitti: the bug | 10:10 |
| pitti | "udevadm info --export-db" can't hurt either, I think | 10:10 |
| asac | its just bfilter | 10:10 |
| pitti | asac: ah, the rest is alternative deps? | 10:10 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/456191/comments/2 | 10:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456191 in xulrunner-1.9 "remove xulrunner-1.9 from archive or demote to universe" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:10 |
| asac | pitti: yes | 10:10 |
| asac | pitti: let me double check the ones i said "fixed in archive" ... aka mozilla-helix-player | 10:11 |
| asac | and python-hulahop | 10:11 |
| pitti | asac: reopened, and sub'ed; please followup on the bug, will look in an hour | 10:14 |
| pitti | I'm off for a bit for a doctor appointment | 10:14 |
| asac | tx | 10:15 |
| seb128 | 2 hours to go through night bug emails | 10:29 |
| asac | seb128: how long was that night ... 3 hours :-P? | 10:30 |
| * seb128 slaps asac | 10:30 | |
| seb128 | asac, that's not because you are slow that we all are there! | 10:31 |
| asac | hehe | 10:31 |
| asac | seb128: i rather ment it the other way around | 10:31 |
| asac | e.g. 3 hours sleep -> 2 hours bugs | 10:31 |
| asac | e.g. too many mails | 10:32 |
| seb128 | right too many emails that was my point | 10:32 |
| seb128 | 2 hours in the morning is crazy | 10:32 |
| seb128 | usually it takes me half an hour | 10:32 |
| asac | yeah but would be even crazier if you just slept 3 hours | 10:32 |
| asac | i am quite openly saying that i cannot read all bug mail | 10:32 |
| asac | i can either do bugmail 100% of time | 10:32 |
| asac | or try to just spot the important ones :/ | 10:33 |
| seb128 | to be fair I had a long night break | 10:33 |
| seb128 | ie I stopped at 7pm yesterday until 9am today | 10:33 |
| asac | haha | 10:33 |
| asac | thats efficient then | 10:33 |
| asac | or maybe means hat karmic is in good shape | 10:33 |
| seb128 | well I just read quickly through desktop bugs | 10:34 |
| seb128 | I want to spot things for sru-ing | 10:34 |
| asac | yeah | 10:35 |
| asac | me too | 10:35 |
| asac | i will start doing 100% bugwork the next few days | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I'm find a better balance this cycle between spending too much time on bugs or overlooking those | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I try to read quickly through | 10:35 |
| seb128 | use greasemonly a lot to quickly close duplicates etc | 10:35 |
| seb128 | and milestone other things | 10:35 |
| seb128 | what I really want now is a "I don't care about your bug" button | 10:36 |
| seb128 | which takes the bug off the buglist or something | 10:36 |
| asac | yeah | 10:36 |
| asac | i thought about that too | 10:36 |
| seb128 | there is ton of valid wishlist I don't care about and we will never work on | 10:36 |
| seb128 | or corner issues | 10:36 |
| asac | seb128: you could create a black-sheep account and then filter bugs out that have that user subscrbied | 10:37 |
| seb128 | like "I get this issue after tweaking those 6 compiz options and those 3 gconf keys" | 10:37 |
| seb128 | I could as well use tags... | 10:37 |
| seb128 | no need of a fake account | 10:37 |
| asac | hmm | 10:37 |
| seb128 | seb-dont-care | 10:37 |
| asac | yeah but tags can be removed by others | 10:38 |
| seb128 | seb-dont-care-about-this-stupid-bug | 10:38 |
| asac | while others cannot unsubscribe someone | 10:38 |
| asac | ;) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | right | 10:38 |
| asac | so if you want a dead sink ... use accounts | 10:38 |
| asac | but you ar eright. tags are probably good | 10:38 |
| seb128 | yeah I think tags would be good enough | 10:38 |
| seb128 | ok, done with bug triage now, let's do some iso testing | 10:39 |
| seb128 | brb | 10:39 |
| asac | oh iso testing | 10:39 |
| asac | ... much neglected this cycle ... *cough* | 10:39 |
| * asac gets an iso image for usb key test | 10:39 | |
| asac | do we know what happened to meeting time now that we are out of summer time in europe? | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | asac: the meetings are still utc no? | 11:01 |
| asac | idk ;) | 11:02 |
| soren | What is the blessed way to run stuff as root from .desktop files nowadays? | 11:02 |
| asac | i only know that it was always confusing ;) | 11:02 |
| soren | ...for something that does not natively support policykit, of course. | 11:03 |
| asac | soren: i think the idea is policykit | 11:03 |
| asac | and if not, there is only the good old way | 11:03 |
| soren | asac: And what is that? gksudo? gksu? Something else that I've forgotten about? | 11:05 |
| asac | gksudo | 11:08 |
| asac | but only 90% sure | 11:08 |
| asac | we dont have that many apps that need root ... mvo ? | 11:08 |
| * asac checks iso | 11:18 | |
| mvo | asac: no, not that many. | 11:25 |
| mvo | asac: still some though | 11:25 |
| asac_empathy | mvo: they use gksudo? | 11:25 |
| mvo | yes | 11:25 |
| mvo | well, gksu | 11:25 |
| mvo | and we default to sudo mode there | 11:25 |
| asac_empathy | soren: see above | 11:25 |
| * soren nods | 11:26 | |
| soren | mvo, asac_empathy: Thanks. | 11:26 |
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| pitti | asac, seb128: FWIW, I gave up trying to read all bug mail from all packages I'm interested in; it just doesn't work :-( | 11:39 |
| === warp10_ is now known as warp10 | ||
| seb128 | pitti, you are interested in too many thing? | 11:39 |
| seb128 | things | 11:40 |
| pitti | at least I now don't need to have a bad conscience any more about not reading hal bugs at all :) | 11:40 |
| pitti | it was one of those packages which get all kinds of weird sh*t | 11:40 |
| seb128 | right | 11:41 |
| mvo | asac: I have a somewhat unusual kvm setup here, but there NM tells me my wired device is not managed. however it is added by something to /etc/network/interfaces | 11:42 |
| mvo | asac: eh, nevermind | 11:42 |
| mvo | asac: strange setup | 11:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't find hard to read bugs, it's usually like a 1 hour a day job | 11:42 |
| seb128 | and I do stock reply on quite some to count one hour a day | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess that's just enough to browse through and pick out the nasty ones? | 11:43 |
| * mvo discovered with delight that qemu can do stuff like "pci_add auto nic model=e1000" | 11:43 | |
| pitti | seb128: (which is fine; it's by and large what I do as well) | 11:43 |
| pitti | seb128: I usually browse through the web ui list for new bugs, though | 11:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, I'm not interested in reply to every issue users can have there | 11:43 |
| seb128 | I just want to know about things that should be milestoned or srued | 11:43 |
| pitti | I'm not subscribed to apport/devicekit-disks/jockey/etc.; I just individually subscribe to the ones where I ask for more info | 11:43 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds fine; just ensure it doesn't ruin your mental health :) | 11:44 |
| seb128 | don't worry ;-) | 11:44 |
| seb128 | I also like to know what bugs are really active on launchpad | 11:45 |
| seb128 | those are usually things users care about too | 11:45 |
| pitti | asac: ok, so want me to remove bfilter, too? | 11:45 |
| seb128 | I would use the web ui if I had a I don't care button to filter things out of the bug lists | 11:45 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, I guess that's a little different for my workflow; for apport, I look at all the new ones and set them to incomplete (and subscribe) or triaged, or close the ones I fixed in the meamtime | 11:47 |
| pitti | same for dk-disks | 11:47 |
| pitti | but I'm upstream for both of those, so it's a little different | 11:47 |
| seb128 | the issue with that is that once a bug is triaged you sort of ignore it | 11:48 |
| seb128 | it could get a thousand duplicate you would not notice | 11:48 |
| seb128 | or comments rather | 11:48 |
| asac | pitti: yes. it hasnt seen any upstream release for ages | 11:52 |
| asac | and for the sake of getting the security nightmare out i think its worthwhile to drop | 11:52 |
| asac | mvo: figured what added something to interfaces? | 11:53 |
| asac | mvo: did you get my offer to fix apt yesterday ;) | 11:54 |
| asac | mvo: i wanted to factor out the "is_valid_filename_char" ... as it seems to be done in various places (and for preferences.d there is no "." allowed) | 11:54 |
| asac | so a) do you want that ... b) where to put such general utility funcs? | 11:55 |
| pitti | asac: want me to blacklist it as well? it was removed from debian testing, but not from sid | 11:55 |
| mvo | asac: contrib/strutil.cc or contrib/fileutil.cc | 11:55 |
| mvo | asac: probably the former | 11:55 |
| mvo | asac: good idea! | 11:55 |
| asac | pitti: afaik debian has xul 1.9.1 ... so if a new upload happens in debian it will probably for that 1.9.1 port | 11:55 |
| pitti | asac: right, debian has a "xulrunner" package and that's 1.9.1 | 11:56 |
| pitti | ok, not blacklisting then | 11:56 |
| mvo | asac: I can do it between upgrade tests too if you want | 11:56 |
| pitti | asac: hah, bfilter never actually built | 11:56 |
| asac | mvo: no ... i want to submit at least one merge in my life ;) | 11:56 |
| mvo | ahah | 11:56 |
| mvo | ok | 11:56 |
| mvo | :) | 11:56 |
| asac | pitti: yes. because the js api changed | 11:56 |
| pitti | *flush* | 11:57 |
| asac | it uses JS_..BranchCallback which wes dropped without any valid replacement | 11:57 |
| pitti | seb128: minor request: can you please subscribe me to bugs, not assign? | 12:19 |
| pitti | seb128: I want to avoid having all the incomplete ones on my +assignedbugs page | 12:19 |
| pitti | I'm subscribed, so I'll timely respond to them either way | 12:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok will do, sorry about though I was not sure which one were reaching you nowadays | 12:19 |
| pitti | seb128: no need to be sorry, no problem | 12:19 |
| pitti | seb128: they both reach me | 12:19 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:19 |
| seb128 | noted | 12:20 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 12:20 | |
| pitti | merci! *hug* | 12:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, and let me know if I should stop subscribing you to those keyboard and eject issues | 12:20 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, please continue to do so | 12:20 |
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| pitti | it seems that several people are affected by this "Multiple layouts in /etc/default/console-setup" issue | 12:20 |
| seb128 | I think you know how to debug those bugs since you worked on some of this changes | 12:21 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:21 |
| pitti | no idea where it comes from, but it's easy to set manually and thus not hard to fix | 12:21 |
| seb128 | right, I was wondering if the installer can set several in some cases too | 12:21 |
| seb128 | I see that you replied on the upstream bug about stopping to define cdrom entries in fstab too | 12:21 |
| seb128 | seems it's leading to quite some issues | 12:22 |
| seb128 | it also leads to have nautilus not refreshing it's view on eject | 12:22 |
| pitti | yeah, cdrom in fstab is 3v1l | 12:23 |
| pitti | I just keep telling people to remove those | 12:23 |
| * pitti cd kitchen && lunch | 12:23 | |
| * seb128 just back from lunch | 12:24 | |
| seb128 | pitti, enjoy | 12:24 |
| kenvandine | seb128, hey | 12:27 |
| seb128 | hello kenvandine | 12:27 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 12:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128, your last change to empathy, adding the symbols | 12:27 |
| seb128 | yes? | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | breaks building it | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | not sure what is up | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | obviously it built for the archive | 12:28 |
| seb128 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.28.1-1ubuntu1 | 12:28 |
| seb128 | right | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | but doesn't build locally, in pbuilder or in my ppa | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | i had to remove those | 12:28 |
| seb128 | you already said you didn't have the symbols in your build log | 12:28 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 12:28 |
| seb128 | weird | 12:28 |
| * asac lunch and errands bbiw | 12:28 | |
| seb128 | are those conditional to some build option? | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | i had to remove them to build it in my ppa | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | dunno | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | i have looked to closely | 12:29 |
| kenvandine | i do have the leak fix built into a ppa and asked folks to test | 12:30 |
| seb128 | excellent | 12:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, dunno about the symbol issue though | 12:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you track bug #450290 too? | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 450290 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450290 | 12:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it got another duplicate today | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | so about that one... do we have a way of looking for libs that haven't been updated properly? | 12:53 |
| seb128 | what do you mean? | 12:53 |
| kenvandine | like a failed update, leaving around old files | 12:54 |
| kenvandine | that's kind of what they were suggesting was the case | 12:54 |
| seb128 | urg | 12:54 |
| seb128 | which file would create an issue and why? | 12:54 |
| kenvandine | not sure, but notice he re-installed and it worked fro him | 12:55 |
| kenvandine | for | 12:55 |
| seb128 | that's weird | 12:55 |
| seb128 | I would rather say it's a coincidence | 12:55 |
| kenvandine | yeah, this is one i know i had re-produced and confirmed fixing | 12:57 |
| kenvandine | or maybe the transition between versions wasn't great | 12:58 |
| kenvandine | doubt that would be it actually | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | this is from empathy itself, not libempathy | 12:59 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, not sure if bug #459274 is the same | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 459274 in empathy "Empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() when receiving a file through a jabber connection" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459274 | 13:02 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - you sure that crash is not from libempathy? | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | it starts because empathy_contact_list_get_monitor returns a NULL pointer | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | and that then gets passed to g_signal_connect, which will make it crash | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | frame 2 of the stack trace: | 13:04 |
| chrisccoulson | monitor = (EmpathyContactMonitor *) 0x0 | 13:04 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, could be | 13:04 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know if bug 381116 is the same as bug 428884? I. e. does totem use g-screensaver --poke ? | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 381116 in totem "Screensaver not inhibited while playing movies" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381116 | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 428884 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver --poke functionality does no longer inhibit screen blanking" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428884 | 13:22 |
| chrisccoulson | i might have overlooked something really stupid here, but to me, it seems like EmpathyTpContactList doesn't implement get_monitor, which would make empathy_contact_list_get_monitor return NULL and trigger this crash | 13:22 |
| chrisccoulson | but i've only had a quick look, i should be doing work really | 13:23 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine^^ | 13:23 |
| Zdra | chrisccoulson, to me the whole concept of EmpathyContactMonitor is wrong. I have no idea why we added that | 13:24 |
| * pitti updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus | 13:24 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ^ FYI | 13:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't think it's the same issue | 13:24 |
| * asac lurks on releasestatus | 13:24 | |
| * pitti removes obsolete and confusing commentary from there, please reload | 13:25 | |
| chrisccoulson | Zdra - yeah, I don't know the empathy code too well, so I can't really have a well-informed opinion ;) | 13:25 |
| chrisccoulson | I just had a quick look because of a crash some users are seeing | 13:26 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - totem (correctly) uses the gnome-session inhibit interface | 13:26 |
| chrisccoulson | like VLC should do ;) | 13:26 |
| pitti | right, I figured | 13:26 |
| kenvandine | pitti, btw jcastro seems to be getting that crash with the leak fix version... so perhaps you are just lucky | 13:26 |
| pitti | which made me wonder why the totem one is "fix committed" | 13:26 |
| pitti | kenvandine: entirely possible | 13:26 |
| chrisccoulson | Zdra - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33599139/Stacktrace.txt is the crash I just took a quick look at | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | pitti, good news is he can very easily trigger it | 13:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, the bug watch points to "web browser plugin doesn't inhibit screensaver" | 13:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, which is fixed in 2.28.2 | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | basically during a chat, he closes the chat window and then starts a new chat via the contact list | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | and it crashes | 13:27 |
| pitti | seb128: ah; but it would still fail because of 428884 | 13:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, so there is probably a mix of different issues there | 13:27 |
| pitti | kenvandine: sounds familiar | 13:28 |
| Zdra | chrisccoulson, drop the libindicator patch ? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, I think totem use the gnome-session api | 13:28 |
| Zdra | chrisccoulson, must be related to that, I never say such crash in upstream | 13:28 |
| chrisccoulson | that's not really an option for me at the moment, as I'm at work, and I can't trigger the crash ;) | 13:28 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, so it's not affected by the --poke thing? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | Zdra, could you stop making such comments every day? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't think so but should be confirmed | 13:29 |
| seb128 | Zdra, I could suggest drop empathy which would be almost as constructive | 13:29 |
| asac | jcastro: how do you reproduce the empathy crash? | 13:34 |
| asac | for me empathy works ;) | 13:38 |
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| seb128 | pitti, I can't confirm the totem issue there | 13:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, I just tried it inhibit correctly screen | 13:40 |
| chrisccoulson | WFM too | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | asac, here is what he is doing | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | he is chatting with me and closes the chat window | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | then immediately goes to the contact list and double clicks on me to start a new chat | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | and it crashes almost every time | 13:41 |
| asac | hmm | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL) | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | i can't reproduce that | 13:41 |
| asac | kenvandine: jabber? | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:41 |
| asac | i guess empathy doesnt support gpg ? | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | upstream thinks it was a leak, which was clearly there | 13:41 |
| * asac wonders if he can migrate there | 13:41 | |
| kenvandine | i fixed that | 13:41 |
| asac | yeah i remember that discussion | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | pitti was getting the crash pretty frequently | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | with the leak fixed, it hasn't crashed for him | 13:42 |
| jcastro | asac: I just close a window and then initiate a conversation | 13:43 |
| asac | yeah | 13:43 |
| asac | thanks | 13:43 |
| jcastro | asac: so never when I respond to someone, only when I start up a conversation | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | no | 13:44 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, want to do the 2.28.1.1 sru? | 13:44 |
| cassidy | you should really ship empathy 2.28.1.1 | 13:44 |
| cassidy | I fixed a lof of nasty bugs | 13:44 |
| seb128 | cassidy, right, it's on my "to sru" list ;-) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I was about to do it now let me know if you prefer to do it | 13:45 |
| asac | kenvandine: where is the leak fixed version? | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | seb128, let me... | 13:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ do you think it's fine to fix libindicate and update in the same update? | 13:45 |
| asac | i assume it didnt end up in karmic? | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | in my empathy ppa | 13:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ do you think it's fine to fix libindicate and update the version in the same update? | 13:46 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, if the other changes are SRU compliant | 13:46 |
| asac | kenvandine: have a .dsc? | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | asac, one sec | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes it's a bug fix only GNOME update | 13:46 |
| pitti | seb128: my opinion didn't change in the last 1.5 seconds :-) | 13:46 |
| asac | thx i can check too ... but inet is slow ;) | 13:46 |
| pitti | j/k | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, I added some words to clarify the "update in the same update" ;-) | 13:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/empathy/+packages | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | you can grab the source there | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | or debs | 13:47 |
| asac | heh. thatts not a .dsc, but thanks. let me grab it | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | asac, there is a .dsc there :) | 13:47 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/empathy/+files/empathy_2.28.1-1ubuntu1+r64.dsc | 13:47 |
| asac | ok out for a bit testing stuff | 13:49 |
| asac | NM et al | 13:49 |
| seb128 | urg | 14:07 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3's reminding landed in my launchpad bugsbox | 14:08 |
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| pitti | l | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, s | 14:12 |
| pitti | -EFOCUS, sorry | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, is it worth trying current iso or will we get a respin? | 14:14 |
| pitti | seb128: we'll get a respin very soon for an ubiquity fix | 14:14 |
| pitti | seb128: (OEM installer with encrypted home dirs) | 14:14 |
| pitti | but "trying" for testing is always appreciated | 14:14 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:15 |
| seb128 | let me try the "reinstall but don't wipe user dir" on my netbook | 14:15 |
| chrisccoulson | wow, i'm going to have to do a hardy install later | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | that's going to seem ancient ;) | 14:26 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: for pidgin? back when I did security updates, a mere chroot was more than enough for that.. | 14:40 |
| pedro_ | could anybody reproduce bug 404351 ? | 14:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 404351 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404351 | 14:42 |
| pedro_ | i still don't managed to reproduce it here, it's getting a lot of dups and there's no easy way to reproduce it besides just login in | 14:42 |
| seb128 | no | 14:43 |
| pedro_ | we're still missing a good backtrace there though :-/ | 14:43 |
| * pedro_ kicks nautilus | 14:43 | |
| seb128 | I expect it's a crash at session closing | 14:43 |
| seb128 | ie it's a non issue | 14:43 |
| seb128 | we just don't know how to filter those automatically | 14:43 |
| pedro_ | right i was thinking it was as session closing, because of the exit() function there, but the comments said it's at login, so i'm a bit lost | 14:45 |
| pedro_ | s/as/on | 14:45 |
| seb128 | pedro_, well, you close the session, nautilus crashes, when will you see apport? | 14:46 |
| pedro_ | seb128, good point | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, just noticed something about bug 408530 | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 408530 in empathy "empathy assertion failure: empathy:ERROR:empathy-tp-chat.c:1391:empathy_tp_chat_acknowledge_message: assertion failed: (m != NULL)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408530 | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, it was originally filed against 2.26.1 which didn't have the libindicate patch | 14:54 |
| Zdra | kenvandine, the crash happens if EmpathyChat object is leaked. We fixed another bug in upstream that had that same issue | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | ok, the leak was real for sure | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | and my fix did work for jcastro and pitti went quite a while without a crash but just got one | 14:55 |
| jcastro | I am still not crashed! | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | and jcastro could reproduce it very easily | 14:56 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - is bug 454487 ok for a SRU? | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 454487 in gnome-desktop "The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error. During on a FreeNX server suring a session. The crash does not happen when xrandr plugin is disabled." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454487 | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | stgraber has already tested the patch and confirms it works | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | (the patch is in my PPA currently, but i will prepare a debdiff later) | 15:03 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, seems a good sru candidate indeed | 15:06 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks! | 15:06 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: sounds fine; how intrusive is it? | 15:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: i. e. regression potential for normal local usage? | 15:07 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the patch is here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34294574/gnome-desktop_1%3A2.28.1-0ubuntu2_1%3A2.28.1-0ubuntu3~chrisccoulson1.diff.gz | 15:07 |
| chrisccoulson | it just traps X errors when calling XRRGetScreenResources | 15:08 |
| chrisccoulson | under these circumstances, the xrandr plugin would be disabled | 15:08 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: seems fine | 15:09 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i'll prepare a debdiff for that later | 15:09 |
| pitti | seb128: still planning/doing that test install on your netbook? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, I'm writting iso to usb key right now | 15:12 |
| pitti | seb128: the "keep old files" is broken right now unfortunately | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, want me to try something? | 15:12 |
| pitti | seb128: it doesn't clean up /var and /usr | 15:12 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 15:13 |
| pitti | seb128: would be great if you could postpone that; I think we'll have new images in some 2 hours | 15:13 |
| pitti | and then we need to test that mode | 15:13 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:13 |
| seb128 | thanks for letting me know | 15:13 |
| pitti | nice timing | 15:14 |
| pitti | cjwatson just found it | 15:14 |
| hggdh | seb128: it ends up that there was a hard limit of 100 cache pages for SQLite in Evo. A patch has just been commited upstream for 2.28 and trunk | 15:16 |
| seb128 | hggdh, did anybody notice a different with other cache values? | 15:16 |
| hggdh | I had 3 responses from my query to evolution-hackers, all positive. This will only make a difference on large folders.db | 15:17 |
| hggdh | no negative responses | 15:17 |
| seb128 | right, I'm just wondering how much difference it makes | 15:17 |
| seb128 | rather curious than discussion the change being correct | 15:17 |
| hggdh | we have not yet tested different cache sizes. The default is 2000, but I am not sure if I have a large enough DB to make a difference if I increase it | 15:18 |
| seb128 | hggdh, pedro_: there is a zillion e-d-s crash bugs on launchpad btw | 15:18 |
| hggdh | what we did was simply take out the hard limit of 100 pages | 15:18 |
| seb128 | it's new from this cycle, lot of random dbus crashes | 15:18 |
| seb128 | not sure if there should all be dupped from one bug or something | 15:18 |
| seb128 | hggdh, ok thanks | 15:18 |
| hggdh | seb128: will look at the EDS crashes | 15:19 |
| seb128 | hggdh, I guess that will go with the next evolution update or sru in karmic | 15:19 |
| seb128 | hggdh, thanks | 15:19 |
| pedro_ | i'll take a look into that | 15:19 |
| hggdh | I agree | 15:19 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks too | 15:19 |
| hggdh | seb128: depending on results, we might want to consider a SRU to Jaunty | 15:19 |
| hggdh | er, backporting the fix | 15:20 |
| seb128 | right | 15:20 |
| seb128 | though I doubt many user will care about jaunty after karmic | 15:20 |
| seb128 | it's not a lts | 15:20 |
| hggdh | oh, yes. Forgot, sorry | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | seb128, building empathy 2.28.1.1 i get this: | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | - empathy_location_manager_dup_singleton@Base 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | - empathy_location_manager_get_type@Base 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | +#MISSING: 2.28.1.1-1ubuntu1# empathy_location_manager_dup_singleton@Base 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | +#MISSING: 2.28.1.1-1ubuntu1# empathy_location_manager_get_type@Base 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | which is the ones you added, should i push as is and let you try to reproduce that? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | yes please | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | pushed | 15:27 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, building, I will let you know in a minute | 15:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you still plan to update the changelog? you dropped half of the NEWS summary apparently and you can probably close some bugs too | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | seb128, they are dupes from 2.28.1 | 15:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh ok | 15:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, empathy builds fine there | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | so weird | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | i had the same build failure in the ppa | 15:46 |
| seb128 | what arch do you use? | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | locally it was x86 | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | the ppa failed for all the arches | 15:46 |
| seb128 | $ nm -D debian/libempathy-gtk28/usr/lib/libempathy-gtk.so.28 | grep empathy_location_manager_get_type | 15:46 |
| seb128 | 00049b20 T empathy_location_manager_get_type | 15:46 |
| seb128 | in the build dir | 15:47 |
| * kenvandine does the same | 15:47 | |
| sailor | wie kan mij helpen, please | 15:47 |
| seb128 | sailor, #ubuntu | 15:47 |
| kenvandine | seb128, returns nothing | 15:47 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, so for some reason the symbol is not in the lib for you | 15:47 |
| sailor | mijn ubuntu os crasht denk dat het met ATI catalyst driver te maken heeft | 15:48 |
| sailor | wie kan mij helpen? | 15:48 |
| seb128 | sailor, it's an english speaking channel | 15:49 |
| seb128 | sailor, try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-<locale> for user questions | 15:49 |
| sailor | Okay sorry | 15:49 |
| pitti | sailor: #ubuntu-nl exists | 15:50 |
| sailor | you can not help me? | 15:50 |
| seb128 | no | 15:50 |
| sailor | #ubuntu | 15:50 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i bet you have libchamplain and geoclue installed | 15:53 |
| kenvandine | seb128, look at config.log, you are building it with location awareness | 15:53 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no | 15:53 |
| seb128 | $ dpkg -l | grep libchamplain | 15:53 |
| seb128 | $ | 15:53 |
| seb128 | libgeoclue is installed though | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | oh... yeah i think that is enough | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | libgeoclue-dev? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:54 |
| seb128 | weird that it did build in the official archive though | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | very weird | 15:55 |
| seb128 | I'm dropping those now | 15:55 |
| seb128 | and adding some bug reference in the changelog | 15:55 |
| kenvandine | thx | 15:55 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: when is the meeting today? | 16:15 |
| pitti | well, the wiki page says 1630 UTC, so it should be an hour earlier than last week (with DST being gone)? | 16:23 |
| asac | i would think so | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | so in 5m right? | 16:25 |
| asac | at least if we follow the calendar | 16:26 |
| asac | hmm | 16:26 |
| asac | according to calendar its 6:30 ... still | 16:26 |
| bryce_ | morning | 16:26 |
| asac | i would prefer 5:30 if everyone is here ;) | 16:26 |
| asac | ... feel a bit tired today | 16:27 |
| seb128 | the meeting should be in one hour no? | 16:27 |
| asac | no ;) | 16:27 |
| asac | hehe | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | 3m | 16:27 |
| bryce_ | rick is in london this week, fwiw | 16:27 |
| asac | no. the question was in 3 minutes or in 1h | 16:27 |
| seb128 | 1h | 16:27 |
| seb128 | we usually keep european time no? | 16:28 |
| asac | last time there was disagreement of calendar and wiki we said wiki | 16:28 |
| asac | is the proper source for time info | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | should be 1630 UTC right? | 16:28 |
| asac | that says in 2m | 16:28 |
| seb128 | no, 1730UTC | 16:28 |
| pitti | seb128: our wiki page says UTC.. | 16:28 |
| asac | i think it should be 1730 in future | 16:28 |
| seb128 | usually we kept constant european hours | 16:28 |
| asac | question is if we should use 1630 this time | 16:28 |
| pitti | hm; I hoped we'd get it a little earler, but oh well :) | 16:29 |
| seb128 | 1730 collide with my weekly call with rick | 16:29 |
| asac | as wiki is the public source for the time | 16:29 |
| asac | i prefer 1630 ... so on pitti's side | 16:29 |
| asac | seb128: that feels like fixable | 16:29 |
| pitti | I'm fine with either, though; if 1730 UTC causes fewer conflicts, let's keep it | 16:29 |
| seb128 | asac, it's fixable either way yes | 16:29 |
| asac | yeah | 16:29 |
| seb128 | I just said that until now we mostly kept constant utc times | 16:30 |
| asac | i am fine with both ... just would like to follow wiki today :-P | 16:30 |
| seb128 | brb | 16:30 |
| seb128 | re | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I'm there for the meeting if it's now | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | it's now? | 16:31 |
| asac | wiki says so ;) | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | my calendar says in one hour | 16:32 |
| asac | calendar not | 16:32 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we were arguing over it | 16:32 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I said one hour but other say now | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | whatever | 16:32 |
| asac | i would prefer to follow wiki if everyone is here | 16:32 |
| seb128 | we have the issue every dst ;-) | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I think Google Calendar is confused with different time zones | 16:32 |
| awe | +1 | 16:32 |
| ccheney | heh | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, let's go | 16:32 |
| ArneGoetje | please stick to UTC, makes things easier :) | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:32 |
| asac | very good | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, asac, ccheney, | 16:33 |
| ArneGoetje | rickspencer3: here | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seb128, br | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce_, | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, | 16:33 |
| * bryce_ waves | 16:33 | |
| ccheney | here | 16:33 |
| asac | 20-char column mode ;)? | 16:33 |
| pitti | o/ | 16:33 |
| * pedro_ waves | 16:33 | |
| * awe waves for my last desktop meeting | 16:33 | |
| * asac waves | 16:33 | |
| Riddell | hi | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | no till? | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-10-27 | 16:34 |
| asac | awe: 6 month is way too short :( | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | awe's last team meeting? | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | :'( | 16:34 |
| awe | well, i'm not disappearing completely... | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | hi kenvandine | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | awe, we'll still drink with you at UDS :) | 16:34 |
| pitti | awe: thanks for your work in our team; was a pleasure | 16:34 |
| asac | for sure | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | ditto | 16:35 |
| awe | thanks for having me. i have a much better appreciation of what you all do. ;) | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | ready for the agenda? | 16:35 |
| pitti | ccheney: likewise, will you return to desktop full time next week? | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, ccheney the answer is "yes" ;) | 16:36 |
| ccheney | pitti: yes, pretty much been that way for the past two weeks to get OOo under control | 16:36 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, the first two agenda items were yours | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | do you want to take it away? | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | * Check your bugs for things which should be SRUed | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | * Think about your personal lucid goals/wishlist until next week | 16:37 |
| pitti | they pretty much speak for themselves | 16:37 |
| pitti | so, for SRU bugs | 16:37 |
| pitti | I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus today | 16:38 |
| pitti | and it seems there's not that much which needs urgent post-RC fixing | 16:38 |
| pitti | but if you have something, please go ahead and turn your bugs into SRU bugs (justification, subscribe ubuntu-sru) | 16:38 |
| pitti | and please already upload | 16:38 |
| pitti | karmic-proposed is open for upload | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | what about the empathy crasher? | 16:38 |
| pitti | I'll review/accept those right after release | 16:38 |
| seb128 | uploaded one minute ago now | 16:38 |
| seb128 | I'm doing the paper work for the empathy update | 16:39 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: the patch seems to make it better, but it still happens | 16:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine did the actual update | 16:39 |
| pitti | the original crash predates the indicator patch | 16:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, you got it again? | 16:39 |
| rickspencer3 | right | 16:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, the original crash was fixed upstream | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, jcastro could consistently reproduce the bug and my patch fixed it for him | 16:39 |
| pitti | seb128: once so far | 16:39 |
| rickspencer3 | so I saw kenvandine's comment on the bug | 16:39 |
| asac | i think we should check a day or two if we can find the full fix for empathy | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | but pitti did hit the crash one more time | 16:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, that's good, at lease one crasher is solved | 16:39 |
| asac | unless folks say its fixed. | 16:39 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I didn't try the new release yet, just the patch | 16:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, I mean before karmic | 16:39 |
| seb128 | what leads to the crash is a leak | 16:40 |
| pitti | anyway, just wanted to point out the procedure for SRU | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | there might be other leaks that cause the same problem | 16:40 |
| seb128 | there was one in upstream code which has been fixed | 16:40 |
| seb128 | and the libindicate has some others | 16:40 |
| seb128 | we need to find maybe yet another codepath leaking | 16:40 |
| pitti | seb128: our patch + new upstream version together might well fix it | 16:40 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 16:40 |
| asac | kenvandine: i looked at the patch and wondered why you didnt do the g_signal_connect_data thing to free the cb_data ? | 16:40 |
| pitti | the other piece: | 16:40 |
| pitti | asac: let's continue the details after meeting, shall we? | 16:40 |
| asac | sure | 16:40 |
| asac | go ahead | 16:41 |
| pitti | I guess on Friday we'll all chill out and do something easy, like catch up on mail and something | 16:41 |
| * seb128 is taking a vac day again | 16:41 | |
| rickspencer3 | are there other SRUable bugs that should be on our ReleaseStatus page? | 16:41 |
| asac | i will hopefully do holiday ;) | 16:41 |
| pitti | but for meeting next week I'm curious about everyone's ideas for lucid | 16:41 |
| pitti | no fine-grained plans, just some rough ideas what you would like to work on | 16:41 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I have discussed with many folks 1-1 about Lucid | 16:42 |
| seb128 | lowering the number of rough edges | 16:42 |
| pitti | so that we can start putting together an UDS agenda | 16:42 |
| * ccheney will be leaving this weekend for OOoCon | 16:42 | |
| seb128 | ie tackling annoying issues | 16:42 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: oh, great | 16:42 |
| seb128 | as we did in hardy | 16:42 |
| rickspencer3 | but not everyone | 16:42 |
| seb128 | do we need a real project ? | 16:42 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, not necessarily | 16:42 |
| seb128 | or using extra time to polish what we have is one? | 16:42 |
| pitti | so, I thought it'd be nice to sit together and throw our main focus areas into the pot to get a first idea about what we'll work on | 16:42 |
| asac | for karmic? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | there is many bugs around for a while that I would like time to work on | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | one thing I want is for people to get to work on something that they are passionate about at least onto a list of consideration | 16:43 |
| pitti | seb128: that's great | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, if you are passionate about polish, that's fine | 16:43 |
| seb128 | good | 16:43 |
| seb128 | thanks guys ;-) | 16:43 |
| bryce_ | rickspencer3, there is one kind of bad bug that might be worth an sru | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, when should we start putting in blueprints? | 16:43 |
| pitti | seb128: I personally think it's good for people to have at least one pet project and not doing bug fixing all the time, but of course it's up to you :) | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | oops | 16:44 |
| bryce_ | rickspencer3, if you put a typo into your xorg.conf it locks up your system with the screen blinking | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | uh | 16:44 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: can we do that on our 1-1 call next Wednesday, after the meeting? | 16:44 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: at least start on it? | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, sure | 16:44 |
| pitti | bryce_: that sounds like a good SRU fix | 16:44 |
| bryce_ | rickspencer3, seems to be some interaction between gdm and upstart | 16:44 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: [done with my two bits] | 16:45 |
| bryce_ | pitti, there is already a bug about it filed against gdm | 16:45 |
| bryce_ | pitti, ok I'll mark it as a release bug | 16:45 |
| seb128 | it's a gdm issue, it keeps retrying | 16:45 |
| pitti | bryce_: thanks | 16:45 |
| seb128 | the old gdm has a retry counter | 16:45 |
| bryce_ | seb128, actually, gdm does give up after 5 tries | 16:45 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 16:45 |
| bryce_ | seb128, but then upstart restarts gdm | 16:46 |
| seb128 | so there is a misleading bug open | 16:46 |
| pitti | ah, bugger | 16:46 |
| seb128 | ah, I see | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 16:46 |
| pitti | I don't think it ever should, TBH | 16:46 |
| bryce_ | it blinks *really* fast, it's kind of cool | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce_, is there a bug # for those of us watching from home? | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | (or the office in this case) | 16:46 |
| bryce_ | bug 441638 | 16:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 441638 in gdm "gdm main process keeps dying and respawning on reboot after karmic beta install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441638 | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce_, thanks for the heads up, moving on ... | 16:47 |
| bryce_ | it's easy to reproduce, just "echo 'foo' >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and reboot | 16:47 |
| rickspencer3 | this seems rather bad | 16:47 |
| rickspencer3 | that bug I mean | 16:47 |
| rickspencer3 | speaking of which ... | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | next item is release notes | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | I just wanted to say "don't forget about release notes" ;) | 16:48 |
| pitti | ^ for documenting major bug workarounds, etc. | 16:48 |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, may I ask people to seek guidance from you if you have questions? | 16:49 |
| pitti | and if you want to do last-minute "new features" documentation, use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview | 16:49 |
| pitti | right; best is to come to #u-release and discuss it first | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I have one last item not on the agend | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | as you may know, I am sitting in the office in Milbank right now | 16:50 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: (agenda: add meeting time, please) | 16:50 |
| rickspencer3 | the excitement here about Karmic is palpable | 16:50 |
| pitti | ♪ let's do the karmic dance ♫ | 16:50 |
| and471 | hehe | 16:50 |
| awe | w00t | 16:50 |
| and471 | mac_v: I have been starting to create a humanity theme for claws mail :-) | 16:50 |
| pitti | /msg rickspencer3 the fridge is usually filled well with beer, FYI :) | 16:51 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, how is karmic looking from milbank comments? | 16:52 |
| pitti | I bet everyone is bugging you about fixing their laptop :) | 16:52 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, not too many people complaining about things broken around? ;-) | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, so I wish I could tell all you folks how much excitement there is about the release, and how muh people here appreciate your efforts | 16:52 |
| and471 | mpt: I just saw your latest tweet and I happened to be looking at that an hour previously :-) | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | it's the opposite | 16:53 |
| and471 | mpt: I never thought something I contributed to would be on the front page of BBC :-) | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | seems that we are on the cusp of something big, and people are really happy | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | and471, exactly, well put! ;) | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, so pitti had one last agenda item | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, go ahead | 16:53 |
| pitti | there was some confusion about the meeting time | 16:53 |
| pitti | our wiki says 1630 UTC, and fridge (?) adapted that to non-DST | 16:54 |
| pitti | so we need to decide whether we want to stick to UTC (always) or move with DST (keeping in mind that we'll move the southern hemisphere by 2 hours then) | 16:54 |
| and471 | rickspencer3: an image on OMGUbuntu puts it even better :-) http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SubSNrGcgxI/AAAAAAAAEGY/B9c6LRaPt58/image_thumb%5B4%5D.png?imgmax=800 | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, this happens whenever the clocks change | 16:54 |
| ArneGoetje | to hell with DST! ;) | 16:55 |
| * kenvandine thinks we should follow UTC | 16:55 | |
| pitti | ArneGoetje++ | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, may I ask you to make a recommendation and we can all stick to it? | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | seems less confusing | 16:55 |
| mac_v | and471: hi... mail icons? as in reply/forward and so on? | 16:55 |
| awe | pitti, the fridge is UTC and is correct | 16:55 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I think we should just keep it at 1630 UTC all the time, unless it causes too many conflicts, but I do'nt have a firm opinion | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | ((keep in mind no matter what we decide, I will end up confused ;) ) | 16:55 |
| asac | ++ | 16:55 |
| ArneGoetje | ++ | 16:55 |
| asac | i am for constant UTC | 16:56 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, it's that pointy hair | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | okay, it's pitti's call, and seems to be consensus | 16:56 |
| and471 | mac_v: yup, so claws mail doesn't using the gtk icon theme, so all of the icons have to be packaged seperately (ie. reply forward) but also I have created some panel icons in the greyscale style | 16:56 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: well, it's really a team decision | 16:56 |
| mac_v | and471: you've got the worst timing in the world ;p | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | so 1630 UTC, but kenvandine will have to ping me and remind me next week ;) | 16:56 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we need to rediscuss our weekly call slot then ;-) | 16:56 |
| pitti | does anyone have objections against 1630 UTC? | 16:56 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, okay | 16:56 |
| * ccheney likes it being set to UTC regardless of actual time that is decided on | 16:56 | |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, our clocks didn't change yet :) | 16:56 |
| mac_v | and471: just uploaded those icons yesterday ;p | 16:56 |
| and471 | mac_v: hehe | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, exactly, so I will be confused again next week | 16:56 |
| and471 | mac_v: are they on the branch | 16:57 |
| pitti | I maintain tzdata and know how often DST rules change (ugh) | 16:57 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, oh right... it is this sunday :) | 16:57 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seems the team agrees with you | 16:57 |
| bryce_ | is it currently 1730? | 16:57 |
| pitti | bryce_: 1657 UTC now | 16:57 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 16:57 |
| bryce_ | pitti, no, is the meeting time set to 1730 currently? | 16:57 |
| * kenvandine wishes google calendar could remember that :) | 16:57 | |
| ccheney | bryce_: 1630 | 16:58 |
| pitti | bryce_: no, our wiki has always said "1630 UTC" | 16:58 |
| bryce_ | ok | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, let's wrap this up on a high note though | 16:58 |
| pitti | ACTION: pitti to add a permanent record of this to the wiki | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | Karmic is an epic, but epic release | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | I hope everyone is very very proud of their contributions, and excited about the future | 16:58 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 16:59 |
| pitti | karmic's new features plus the polish/bug fixes in lucid -> awesome | 16:59 |
| asac | yes. i used todays live usb image and karmic is a great release. | 16:59 |
| pitti | great job everyone | 16:59 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 16:59 |
| asac | not enough sleep again, but you now see that it pays off ... and i am sure most users will think the same :) | 17:00 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: thanks so much for your hard work, too! | 17:00 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, thanks for your great contributions, Amaranth, didrocks, dtchen (too may others to mention) | 17:00 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti / rickspencer3 - you're wecome | 17:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks, you really did rocking work this cycle | 17:00 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 17:01 |
| seb128 | same for didrocks and some others ;-) | 17:01 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 17:01 |
| pitti | so, let's get this out of the door, sleep, have a great weekend, and then think about new goodness | 17:01 |
| seb128 | do we know when lucid will open btw? | 17:02 |
| * kenvandine keeps trying to re-install karmic x86_64 on this laptop, but keep getting derailed into empathy debugging | 17:02 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:02 |
| asac | seb128: not before we release ;) | 17:02 |
| seb128 | asac, hey no hurry anyway | 17:03 |
| asac | or are you asking for upload queue? i would like to have it already too | 17:03 |
| seb128 | I usually spend a week or two on srus | 17:03 |
| asac | ack | 17:03 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess a day or two after release, but as usual it will start frozen for the toolchain bootstrap | 17:03 |
| * Amaranth is sad to not have any more updates every day :) | 17:03 | |
| asac | hehe | 17:03 |
| rickspencer3 | hi tkamppeter | 17:04 |
| pitti | last thing, we need to re-roll iso images | 17:04 |
| bryce_ | Amaranth, there's always xorg-edgers if you get desperate | 17:04 |
| pitti | helping out with testing appreciated | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, ack, thanks | 17:05 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 17:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, do we know when new images will be there? | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 17:05 |
| Amaranth | bryce_: I need my usermode mode setting so no | 17:05 |
| bryce_ | thanks | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | is anyone going to overlap with the Eastern Edition? | 17:05 |
| pitti | seb128: order of an hour | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | I just realized that I'm going to miss that | 17:05 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | awe ? | 17:05 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I don't think so, nothing urgent to do now so I will stop working not too late | 17:05 |
| awe | ? | 17:06 |
| awe | rickspencer3, sure, i can attend... | 17:06 |
| asac | rickspencer3: the riverbank has wifi in the lobby ;) | 17:06 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:06 |
| seb128 | asac, I think you just got volunteered thanks to your comment ;-) | 17:06 |
| asac | ... or bar | 17:06 |
| * seb128 runs | 17:06 | |
| rickspencer3 | awe, well, just let them know to look at the log ;) | 17:06 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso ^ no Eastern Edition | 17:06 |
| awe | ok | 17:06 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks awe <3 | 17:07 |
| asac | i am not sure... but i might really be around, but i could crash so i dont want to commit to that if possible | 17:07 |
| seb128 | asac, I was joking | 17:07 |
| asac | hehe | 17:07 |
| asac | good ;) | 17:07 |
| * seb128 hugs asac | 17:07 | |
| * asac hugs seb128 | 17:07 | |
| seb128 | you should get some well deserved sleep too | 17:07 |
| * seb128 plans to do that | 17:07 | |
| seb128 | or maybe I will let some installs running while I watch tv or something | 17:07 |
| asac | yeah ... i reduced the daily dose of caffeine already ;) | 17:07 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: still 0 crashes so far, it's never gone this long! | 17:10 |
| kenvandine | woot woot | 17:10 |
| ccheney | jcastro: have you seen the weird resume failures on your x200? | 17:14 |
| jcastro | ccheney: not lately no | 17:14 |
| ccheney | jcastro: ok | 17:14 |
| jcastro | ccheney: want me to test? | 17:14 |
| ccheney | jcastro: i think maybe its more a case of really slow resume because i was getting them but then started waiting longer before power cycling | 17:14 |
| jcastro | ccheney: just one time ubuntuone crashes on resume, so I filed a bug about that | 17:14 |
| ccheney | oh i mean my system would not come back from resume at all | 17:15 |
| jcastro | oh wow, I've never seen that | 17:15 |
| ccheney | but i tested a bit more and it seems to just sometimes take a long (> 10s) time to resume | 17:15 |
| jcastro | that's odd | 17:15 |
| ccheney | with the suspend light just blinking | 17:15 |
| jcastro | I don't think I've ever had a failure like that the entire time I've had it | 17:16 |
| ccheney | if i manage to make it happen without actually resuming again i'll file a bug | 17:16 |
| jcastro | when my thing fails it's suspend that breaks | 17:16 |
| ccheney | ah | 17:16 |
| tkamppeter | hi rickspencer3 | 17:19 |
| dtchen | jcastro: / ccheney: what sort of suspend/resume failures? | 17:21 |
| asac | kenvandine: so connect_data vs. just connect ... how is that supposed to work? | 17:21 |
| kenvandine | asac, i am not sure... i have a patch that uses connect_data but it doesn't do what i expected | 17:22 |
| kenvandine | so i didn't push that yet | 17:22 |
| asac | kenvandine: whats the wrong behaviour? | 17:22 |
| jcastro | dtchen: I've been fine for most of the cycle, haven't had a problem in a while. ccheney's the broken one. :p | 17:22 |
| kenvandine | i had tried to get tedg to look at it yesterday but i guess he was busy | 17:22 |
| kenvandine | asac, well i am sure i am just doing it wrong :) | 17:22 |
| asac | kenvandine: was that on top of what you have atm? or a replacement patch? | 17:22 |
| kenvandine | on top of | 17:23 |
| asac | kenvandine: good. ... so i would think using connect_data and using the notification_free thing as callback might work. but i assume you did that? | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | that is what i did | 17:23 |
| asac | and what didnt work? | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | it is never calling free_notification_data | 17:23 |
| asac | ;) | 17:23 |
| asac | is that chat-window object finalized/disposed? | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | let me paste it... one sec | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | it should be | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302956/ | 17:26 |
| kenvandine | asac, ^^ | 17:26 |
| kenvandine | i commented out the call to free_notification_data in chat_window_indicator_activate_cb because it was causing an error in the unref | 17:27 |
| kenvandine | so i thought it was working | 17:27 |
| asac | kenvandine: and you see the Finalize DBG output? | 17:27 |
| kenvandine | but that debug message never gets printed | 17:27 |
| Laney | what if it wasn't? | 17:28 |
| Laney | what if it wasn't? | 17:28 |
| Laney | [A | 17:28 |
| Laney | [A | 17:28 |
| Laney | ooer | 17:28 |
| Laney | excuse me | 17:28 |
| asac | huh? | 17:28 |
| tedg | kenvandine: Why don't you just put "cb_data" in the private struct, and then unref it when the whole object dies? | 17:28 |
| Laney | accidental input | 17:28 |
| kenvandine | maybe it is getting called, just not when i think it should | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i hadn't considered that | 17:30 |
| asac | first i would check if the window ever gets finalized | 17:31 |
| asac | anyway out for a few | 17:32 |
| didrocks | thanks everyone (just got my new passeport \o/) | 17:35 |
| mac_v | hmmm ,.. anyone know how... [In nautilus side pane ] to place nautilus bookmarks on top and the rest of the filesystem and trash below? | 17:35 |
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| pitti | new ubuntu desktop images up for testing | 18:43 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - where are the images? | 18:53 |
| chrisccoulson | (that might sound like a silly question) ;) | 18:53 |
| davmor2 | chrisccoulson: On the t'interweb :) | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | davmor2 - really? ;) | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | at cdimages? | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | are they the latest ones? | 18:54 |
| davmor2 | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent, thanks:) | 18:55 |
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| jcastro | is the gwibber auto-url-shortener broken for anyone else? | 19:45 |
| pitti | re | 19:45 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: what davmor2 said | 19:45 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks | 19:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i probably should have known that ;) | 19:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks for taking over the gdm respawn bug | 20:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know if isos are good to test now? | 20:24 |
| pitti | np | 20:24 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, they are | 20:24 |
| seb128 | ok good | 20:24 |
| pitti | currently writing my usb stick | 20:24 |
| * seb128 rsync | 20:24 | |
| pitti | I'm off for the next hour for reinstalling my box | 20:24 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, i suspect the archives are going to grind to a halt on release day | 20:39 |
| * chrisccoulson must make sure his pbuilder is up to date | 20:40 | |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, better to use mirrors yes | 20:45 |
| seb128 | the archive.ubuntu.com speed is already slow for a week now | 20:46 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, do you have any specific url shortener selected? | 20:47 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it is pretty slow now. i suppose that using a mirror is not so bad when packages aren't being updated as quickly. the mirrors won't be out of date by as much then | 20:47 |
| chrisccoulson | woah, hardy pidgin with the yahoo fix built first time | 20:53 |
| chrisccoulson | i must have done something wrong | 20:53 |
| seb128 | lol | 20:54 |
| seb128 | mclasen, hey, did you send you default location gnome-panel patch somewhere? | 21:07 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to find the corresponding upstream bug | 21:07 |
| mclasen | seb128: default location ? thats just our panel config setting 'Boston' in gconf... | 21:09 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: anyone I choose doesn't work | 21:09 |
| seb128 | mclasen, seems a good idea since the default can be by locale | 21:09 |
| seb128 | mclasen, any reason that shouldn't be done upstream too? | 21:09 |
| mclasen | seb128: really, I want someone to finally finish the geoclue patch | 21:09 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: use a caching proxy (I just blogged about it if you want to check it out) | 21:09 |
| mclasen | seb128: I can give you the bug for _that_ if you like :-) | 21:10 |
| seb128 | no, I know the one about that | 21:10 |
| seb128 | somebody pointed to the change you have for order notify area icon | 21:10 |
| seb128 | so I looked at your other changes and that one seems useful too | 21:10 |
| seb128 | but right having geoloc working would be nice | 21:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:10 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: just had 2 crashers back to back. :-/ | 21:11 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, i have another patch for you to test :) | 21:12 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - thanks for the tip:) | 21:14 |
| seb128 | mclasen, hum, an any reason you didn't add your change for the notification area order to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531282? | 21:18 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 531282 in notification area "Allow to arrange icons in the notification area" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 21:18 |
| seb128 | mclasen, the change you have seems quite different of the current upstream suggested change | 21:18 |
| mclasen | seb128: that bug simply did not come up. I am pretty sure I put my patch in a different bug | 21:19 |
| mclasen | also 'allow to arrange icons' is pretty different from 'hardcoded standard order' | 21:20 |
| mclasen | seb128: my patch is a straight backport of a gnome-shell patch | 21:20 |
| seb128 | mclasen, right, it's in your .spec, thanks, I think the issue is the same though | 21:20 |
| mclasen | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115 | 21:21 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 583115 in notification area "make location of status icons more predictable" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 21:21 |
| seb128 | vuntz, ^ do you plan to do patches review soon? ;-) | 21:21 |
| seb128 | there is quite some patches in bugzilla that would be nice to get upstream | 21:21 |
| seb128 | though I guess upstream might not be much interested in GNOME 2.30 uses gnome-shell | 21:22 |
| seb128 | still would be nice to have for distros that still use gnome-panel | 21:22 |
| TheMuso | Yay, wiki is down. | 21:35 |
| TheMuso | Hrm now it works. | 21:35 |
| chrisccoulson | wow, i can't believe how dated hardy feels now | 21:55 |
| charlie-tca | I'll second that | 21:57 |
| chrisccoulson | it just goes to show how far along karmic has come:) | 21:57 |
| TheMuso | I'll third that. | 22:00 |
| bryce_ | chrisccoulson, judging from the amount of ubu-jealousy/ubu-hate I'm getting from the more fedora-oriented xorg folks, we must be doing pretty well this release ;-) | 22:00 |
| TheMuso | heh | 22:01 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, do you normally get a lot of abuse then? | 22:01 |
| bryce_ | yeah, off and on. it's notched up a bit more than usual lately tho | 22:02 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a shame:( | 22:02 |
| TheMuso | Shame that. | 22:03 |
| bryce_ | what's funny is most of the stuff they've been harping on have been due to upstream changes | 22:03 |
| chrisccoulson | what sort of stuff do they talk about? | 22:04 |
| bryce_ | ah, issues caused by the new gdm was the most recent | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, gdm has caused us a few issues | 22:05 |
| bryce_ | also ubuntuone stuff, I guess they think "personal cloud" sounds silly | 22:05 |
| chrisccoulson | but some of those issues shouldn't be new to other distro's that have been using the new version for several cycles now | 22:05 |
| chrisccoulson | i haven't made much use of ubuntu one yet. i suppose that i probably will if i get myself a netbook | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | thats a good excuse to buy one:) | 22:06 |
| bryce_ | I tried it when it first came out, but the icon would not stop being animated so I finally turned it off | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think it's animated anymore | 22:06 |
| bryce_ | I was going to set up something for baby photos for the grandparents, but they're all on hardy so no ubuone there | 22:07 |
| bryce_ | facebook has suited the bill sufficiently so far | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | it's maybe time to upgrade them ;) | 22:07 |
| bryce_ | yeah... | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | you have a baby? | 22:08 |
| bryce_ | yep, name's Dutch, 6 weeks old | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent:) | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i will do at some point soon, if she hurries up! | 22:08 |
| bryce_ | chrisccoulson, http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/dutch-announce | 22:12 |
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| TheMuso | t/c | 22:24 |
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