=== fader_ is now known as fader|away === swoody_ is now known as swoody === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:53] hi [09:54] amachu: hi [09:54] persia: elky: lifeless: Hello [09:54] freeflying: ping [09:55] happyaron: hi [09:55] Hey amachu [09:56] persia: hello! [09:56] persia: CC results have come? [09:56] amachu, Which results? [09:56] hi [09:57] happyaron: hi [09:57] lifeless: Hello [09:57] and TheMuso: hi [09:58] elky: are you there? [10:00] Hey amachu. [10:00] persia: TheMuso: lifeless: we four are here.. [10:01] wondering what elky is now! [10:01] shall we start then.. [10:01] we're quorate, so we could. [10:01] let elky join, as she awakes ;-) [10:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:02] Indus: Hi [10:02] The first candidate has a incorrect wiki page link. [10:03] sorry, indus & ddorda appear not to be here [10:03] happyaron: Hi [10:03] amachu: hi [10:03] I'm here, :) [10:03] amachu: happyaron noted to me that the wiki page didn't have an accurate schedule a few days back [10:04] lifeless: yes. I was lazy enough to change it today only.. [10:04] amachu: if I can suggest, change it at the end of a meeting ;) [10:04] I suspect that's why we have so few participants. [10:04] will do it immediately here after, with a stamp that we meet second & fourth tuesday [10:05] persia: can be a reason.. [10:05] happyaron: Please go ahead, explaining your contributions to Ubuntu [10:05] ok [10:06] I have been an Ubuntu user and contributor since Feisty [10:06] and my major contribution is in localization field [10:07] I am now taking the lead of Ubuntu Simplified Chinese translators as well as Launchpad Simplified Chinese translators teams [10:07] what's more, I've been part of Ubuntu Translations Coordinators now [10:08] happyaron, In your wiki page, you say you're working towards providing a better environment for translators. Could you expand on that? [10:08] persia: yes [10:09] This could be explained in two fields, my LoCo and the universe one [10:09] for my LoCo, I am reorganizing zh_CN team, help on setting up a more organized team [10:10] I have made it a circle of contributors who are willing to help, and help them know more about doing such work [10:11] the organization will be expand to much more than a Launchpad team, who have the privilege to fix things for language pack [10:11] I am working on make more and more people available for upstream work [10:11] writing the new set of documentation is part of my work [10:12] as you can see a list on my LoCo wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/User:Happyaron [10:12] (in Chinese) [10:12] For the worldwide, I am working with other members of U-T-C team, and have just begun [10:13] now I am focus on fonts and other user experience problems especially for CJK users [10:13] who need special care due to the special character [10:14] happyaron: say about your packaging experience [10:14] sure [10:15] Now I am the maintainer of gmchess for Debian [10:15] it is a Chinese chess game, or rather Xiangqi [10:16] I work with Li Daobing, whose a Debian Developer, and he told me the resources to fix all kinds of issues [10:16] freeflying helped me when I just get started and I should thank him, too. [10:17] I am now preparing to pack ubuntu-tweak for Lucid [10:17] this package is an excellent tool to tweak, which is written in python [10:17] happyaron: are there people here to support your membership? [10:18] amachu: yes, dpm and freeflying is here [10:18] lidaobing wasn't, :) [10:18] hi, yes, I'd like to support happyaron's application [10:18] dpm: freeflying: yours comments on happyaron [10:18] amachu: yes, I support his application [10:19] he's been a very active member of the Ubuntu Translations Coordinators team, basically taking care that translations for all Ubuntu users are in good shape [10:20] he's quickly learned the procedures in the team, and at the same time has adapted to changes (the team is relativley new) [10:20] relatively [10:20] I meant [10:20] dpm: thank you [10:20] amachu: I've witnessed nearlu all his contribution to FLOSS, back from the time he just started [10:22] persia: lifeless: TheMuso: shall we take voting now? [10:22] amachu: he has great passion [10:22] freeflying: thank you [10:22] I'm ready. [10:22] amachu: I think so. [10:23] I would give +1 considering contributions to translations, packaging supported by testimonials at the wiki as well as here.. [10:24] +1 as well, great work. [10:24] I'm very much in favour. Lot's of good work, strong support. [10:26] and lifeless? [10:26] oh. it's tuesday. whoops. here now [10:26] looks good +1 [10:26] +1 [10:26] that a surprise vote, all of a sudden :-D [10:27] thank you all, :P [10:27] happyaron: War welcome [10:27] happyaron: Warm welcome [10:27] amachu: thanks! [10:27] happyaron: congrats [10:27] amachu: sorry I've been missing meetings [10:27] freeflying: :) [10:27] happyaron, congratulations! [10:27] amachu: its an awkward time, middle of the evening, so I lose track. [10:27] dpm: thanks for your support! [10:27] happyaron: yay! [10:27] ziroday: yeah! [10:28] lifeless, Would later be better for you? I thought we selected this time to not be so late that far east. [10:28] persia: no, basically if I have time to relax after work its likely to end up with me relaxed :) [10:29] heh. Makes sense. [10:29] lifeless: thats ok. Lets see if could have two different times once Zheng joins.. [10:29] Regarding that, did we get a response from the CC? I don't remember a clear one. [10:29] +1 [10:29] IIRC [10:30] with 2 year term I think [10:30] Do we not have another candidate? [10:30] TheMuso: 2 awols, I thought [10:31] So, what's outstanding to add freeflying to the board? [10:31] Following a mail from Daniel Holbach dated 07 Oct, there is consensus over it [10:32] persia: i will add him to launchpad team & mailing list, send a mail to CC and Ubuntu News Team [10:33] persia: hope that completes the job of inclusion [10:34] any comments? [10:34] I don't think we can add to the team. I think CC needs to do it (based on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members) [10:37] nothing from me [10:38] persia: Yes. I will make it the request.. [10:38] amachu, OK. Sounds good to me then. [10:39] elky: lifeless: any thing else to discuss? [10:39] nope [10:40] fine then.. [10:40] thank you all for participating. [10:41] happyaron: Welcoming you again. Keep up the great work. [10:42] Our next meeting will be on 10 Nov 09, likely with Zheng on team :-) [10:42] amachu: thanks, ! === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === jono_ is now known as jono === fader|away is now known as fader_ === imlad|away is now known as imlad [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] Meeting started at 07:59. The chair is NCommander. [13:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:01] morning plars GrueMaster StevenK lool davidm paulliu dyfet ogra JamieBennett1 [13:01] need coffee [13:01] * StevenK shores [13:02] * plars is here [13:02] dyfet: I see your coffee, and raise you 20oz. [13:02] * NCommander raises StevenK shores with snores [13:02] * NCommander has a pot freshly brewed [13:02] hello [13:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091027 [13:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091027 [13:03] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [13:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [13:04] who's here? [13:04] [topic] Action Item Review [13:04] New Topic: Action Item Review [13:04] [topic] paulliu to close remaining moblin sync bugs for karmic [13:04] New Topic: paulliu to close remaining moblin sync bugs for karmic [13:05] I believe they have all been closed [13:05] [topic] ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i [13:05] New Topic: ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i === JamieBennett1 is now known as JamieBennett [13:06] ogra, ping? [13:06] aww [13:06] * ogra was bitten by DST change [13:07] ogra: me too! [13:07] * NCommander wonders when we change the clocks in the states [13:07] my gcal apparently too :/ [13:07] NCommander: This weekend. [13:07] in the US, we postponed DST change until next week (just so we wouldn't interfere with Ubuntu release week of course!) [13:07] \o/ [13:07] * NCommander makes a mental note to set the clocks forward. [13:07] NCommander: then you'll be two hours off [13:08] * NCommander coughs [13:08] lol [13:08] * ogra wonders why gcal still shows it at 15:00 [13:08] * NCommander drinks his coffee and whistles slowly [13:08] ogra, probably hasn't been upgraded for DST [13:08] ogra, so about that bug :-)? [13:08] err, i suck ... missed that [13:08] c/o [13:09] [action] ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i [13:09] ACTION received: ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i [13:09] [topic] GrueMaster and plars to test suspend/resume on babbage and report results [13:09] New Topic: GrueMaster and plars to test suspend/resume on babbage and report results [13:09] bug #456659 [13:09] Launchpad bug 456659 in linux-fsl-imx51 "suspend/resume failure on imx51" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456659 [13:09] Simple, it doesn't work. [13:10] Is there a bug for Dove as well? [13:10] NCommander: yes [13:10] yes [13:10] bug #453682 [13:10] Launchpad bug 453682 in linux-mvl-dove "late resume failure on dove" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453682 [13:10] also, hibernate does not seem to be supported on either... could just need to be turned on in the kernel config, but I haven't had time to confirm that [13:10] hopefully one of the kernel guys will beat me to it [13:11] StevenK: yes. all bugs are closed. [13:11] [action] dyfet to test recent banshee release and report to the banshee bug [13:11] ACTION received: dyfet to test recent banshee release and report to the banshee bug [13:12] Had same issue [13:12] Noted in bug :) [13:12] [topic] Specification Review [13:12] New Topic: Specification Review [13:12] NCommander, where is the new rolling action i added [13:12] (sponsoring feedback) [13:12] ogra, oh, *grumble*. I must have missed that when I wrote the minutes [13:12] * NCommander makes it appear [13:13] [action] Sponsoring feedback [13:13] ACTION received: Sponsoring feedback [13:13] uh [13:13] [topic] Sponsoring feedback [13:13] New Topic: Sponsoring feedback [13:13] Haha [13:13] * ogra fixed bug 401039 with a sponsoring upload [13:13] Launchpad bug 401039 in xf86-input-evtouch "Add support for TouchPack family touchscreens (Clevo TN120 series tablets / ASUS eeeTOP and other devices)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401039 [13:13] Right, NCommander is doing all the sponsoring [13:14] anyone else who did some sponsoring this week ? [13:14] bad bad ... we suck [13:14] I did some work with apw on fixing bcmlwl on 2.6.32 kernels, but that wasn't sponsoring as it usually counts :-/ [13:15] i would say we only count sponsoring if it results in an upload you do [13:15] Anyone want to say anything else on this topic before I move on? [13:15] yes [13:15] we need to get better here [13:15] (which is why i added the topic) [13:16] [topic] Specification Review [13:16] New Topic: Specification Review [13:17] I think the only spec that still marked incomplete is lsb compliance, so I don't think we need to spend too much time on this [13:17] GrueMaster, anything to report? [13:17] I am almost finished testing RC. Just need the manual bits. [13:17] err, what about the new specs :) [13:17] For LSB [13:18] ogra, TBH, I rather save that for next week once we're past release [13:18] and ****, door, brb [13:18] [topic] UNR Status [13:18] New Topic: UNR Status [13:18] NCommander, not sure but i think there should be blueprints registered for the ones we want on the schedule prior release [13:18] davidm may correct me if thats not needed this round though [13:19] last time we definately had to have blueprints for the schedule the week before release [13:19] I haven't tested it yet, but supposedly Bug #447886 was fixed for unr [13:19] Launchpad bug 447886 in netbook-remix-launcher "On startup Gnome Keyring asks for password in the background" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447886 [13:19] ogra, I'll do a New Specification Discussion towards the end though [13:19] JamieBennett: did you happen to look at it? [13:20] plars: It is (I've tested) [13:20] NCommander, ok [13:20] * NCommander loves packages being delivered at 9:20 [13:20] that's good news [13:20] yeah [13:20] Indeed, took a little work yesterday but its done now [13:20] I found a particularly nasty bug about oem install when testing isos last night, but it turned out not to be UNR specific [13:21] it will be one of the bugs that's triggering a respin for today though, so there should be new images to test in the near future [13:24] Anything have anything else to add before I go to UMR status? [13:25] [topic] UMR Status [13:25] New Topic: UMR Status [13:25] why is it that pidgin always dies during a meeting :( [13:25] I've tested most of the bugs today. Most of them are not reproducible by myself. And those are not really major problem so things are good now. [13:25] cool [13:26] About UMR compliance, I've check the report again. [13:26] JamieBennett, probably because pidgin knows that it sucks for IRC ? :) [13:26] On library part, it seems we need to keep old version of library to make the compliance. But it's really annoying to do that. [13:26] a lot of moblin-remix bugs got fixed in the latest downgrade [13:26] plars: yes. Mutter downgrade fixed a lot of bugs. [13:26] Moblin compliance for RC looks great (to me). Only 133 failures out of 70106 tests. [13:27] ogra: Indeed I keep going back to irssi but I just can't get on with it [13:27] xchat ++ :) [13:27] GrueMaster: ok. I just thought we need to make that 0 failures for compliance..:) [13:27] irssi ++++++++++ [13:27] Compared with 165/70084 the week prior. [13:27] So the status is good now. Thanks. [13:27] That's 0.1% of all tests failing [13:27] GrueMaster: were comparison results ever posted for upstream moblin? [13:28] paulliu: I don't think we can achieve 0 failures. Some of these are LSB tests that fail on the regular LSB test suite as well. [13:28] GrueMaster: Yes. [13:28] plars: not yet. Time and platforms were an issue. Hope to do them soon. [13:28] GrueMaster, do these same failures show up on the reference implementation from Intel? [13:28] understand [13:29] NCommander: ^^^ [13:29] I haven't had time or a spare platform to run the Intel image. [13:29] GrueMaster, right, sorry [13:30] [topic] New Specification Discussion [13:30] New Topic: New Specification Discussion [13:30] My son is going to be working on getting another 32bit system online this week for LSB testing in my rack, freeing up one of my D945GCLF systems for side by side comparisons. [13:31] NCommander, no armel status ? [13:32] Hey folks; missed the beginning of the meeting [13:32] hi lool [13:32] yay for DST change :) [13:32] heh [13:32] ogra, we haven't one before, but probably a good idea [13:32] [topic] armel image status [13:32] New Topic: armel image status [13:32] imx51 live looks good ... [13:32] May I respectfullly suggest that you drop the Specification review stuff until post UDS? You can ping people to remind them of writing specifications though [13:32] apart from the syspend/hibernate issues [13:32] there are some important bugs on armel I'd like to bring up [13:33] the hibernate and suspend resusme ones of course that we discussed earlier [13:33] dove live looks good based on test results [13:33] also bug 458501 [13:33] Launchpad bug 458501 in gnome-screensaver "screensaver hangs on unlock, eats cpu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458501 [13:33] lool, i only asked for it because we might have to have registered for scheduling [13:33] On a similar note, Sponsoring isn't really something we should be spending time on at this time of the cycle IMHO [13:33] (So probably something which is not worth discussing in the last two weeks before release) [13:34] (The list of topics for the meeting were meant to track deliverables and bugs through the cycle for e.g. alpha releases etc.) [13:34] lool, fair enough. [13:34] * ogra thinks its valuable to report sponsoring status at any time [13:35] On ARM, I found Dove Y1 install to be quite unstable too, like NCommander [13:35] ogra: Most items in the sponsoring queue are not compatible with final freeze [13:35] Am I the only one with working audio on Dove Y1? [13:35] lool, plars's Y1 was stable though. I'll be investigating this today. [13:35] I am also very worried with the babbage 2.0 issue [13:35] GrueMaster, with yesterday's daily, did yo have any stability issues with your Y1? [13:35] lool, though still i did a sponsoring upload to universe last week [13:35] That it doesn't come up after install [13:36] GrueMaster: afaik, yes... I still haven't got audio working [13:36] Haven't tested Dove this week yet. [13:36] lool, is there a bug for it ? [13:36] I let it run overnight and gdm created so many temp files that it ran out of inodes in the /var/run tmpfs [13:36] * ogra hasnt seen one [13:36] ogra: No; JamieBennett and I see it, but we don't know what's happening [13:36] sounds definately weird [13:36] I couldn't diagnose it enough before leaving and had issues getting a screen to work _at all_ here [13:36] ogra: Bug #451635 [13:36] Launchpad bug 451635 in alsa-driver "Sound not working on dove Y1 board" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451635 [13:36] (I'm using the sprint's screens and they didn't work with 2.0 and 2.5 boards!!) [13:37] boot with "text" [13:37] I had to borrow another screen which does indeed work [13:37] bah [13:37] There are also clock issues on 2.0 [13:37] Perhaps even on 2.5 [13:37] lool, tried to boot with a video= cmdline ? [13:37] What I think we need to do now for Babbage / Dove is identifying the rough spots of the install and making sure our installation instructions cover them and provide workarounds [13:37] ogra: I did, and it didn't help [13:38] might be that the EDID fallback to 1024x768 doesnt work on B2 [13:38] ogra: video=mxcfb=1024x768@60,bpp=16 to be precise [13:38] very weird === lamont` is now known as lamont [13:38] not sure bpp=16 will be respected [13:38] I suspect the EDID support exposes the hardware bug on 2.0/2.5 more or less badly [13:38] ogra: What's the correct arg? [13:38] just video=mxcfb=1024x768@60 i think [13:38] ogra: My install boots to GDM then the screen goes blank. A press of the enter key brings it back. [13:38] I found it reading the driver's source code; I'm relatively confident it should be [13:39] i have to look it up after the meeting [13:39] ogra: I was specifically interested in using bpp=16 since that was a recent change in the kernel [13:39] JamieBennett, sounds like DPMS [13:39] JamieBennett: Oh you can _stay_ on the gdm screen? [13:39] You're lucky; I dont see anything at all [13:40] Boot to GDM, 1/2 second and the screen goes blank. Press enter key its all back for good [13:40] NCommander: Did you update the bootrom version for dove install? [13:40] lool, not yet, that was on my TODO for today. [13:40] JamieBennett: Wow that's not at all what I've been seeing [13:41] lool: strange [13:41] NCommander: So I was quite unhappy to discover that the uboot update -- which is more or less required -- itself requires a TFTP server; so far I did everything without and am a bit sad that we require people to have another Ubuntu computer to install Dove boards :-/ [13:42] I checked out the Uboot code but there's a cascade of subtle defines and runtime computations for the Uboot NAND/SPI NOR addresses and size and alignment and crazy shit which makes anything but "bubt" unpractical [13:43] lool, there's a known method for doing a NAND reflash without bubt, but its a bit hit or miss I found [13:43] lool, we could add a sbubt command somewhat easily though if desirable. [13:43] I guess that leaves people who cant use a second computer with the only option of typing uboot commands manually; it would be great to do a uboot upgrade command from memory instead [13:43] (serial bubt) [13:44] NCommander: We'd have to provide tools for the host side as well, and it again means two Ubuntu computers [13:44] NCommander: But a mbubt would be fine; we would just tell people to tftpdownload + mbubt, or USB load + mbubt, or serial load + mbubt... [13:45] Considering that to do anything in uboot requires a serial connection to a separate system, isn't this whole argument moot? [13:45] I think I did upgrade the bootrom from an USB stick fine though [13:45] * NCommander agrees with GrueMaster [13:45] GrueMaster: Entering commands can be done from e.g. hyperterminal [13:45] lool, I could write an entire automatic update system for uboot via boot.scr [13:45] lool, and I can run TFTP server on Windows as well [13:45] lool: do you honestly thing Ubuntu is the only OS with tftp support? [13:45] GrueMaster: I was sad to hear that, but a lot of companies working on ARM devices run Windows for development [13:46] GrueMaster: I honestly dont see us providing support for TFTP server instructions on windows... [13:46] tftp servers are usually one of the first servers available in an OS. Lots of old-style fixed-line telephones can run them even :) [13:46] We don't need to. Only what to put on their tftp server, not what os to run on it. [13:46] * NCommander believes the current instructions are written in that mindset [13:46] GrueMaster, the point is that we failed if you *have* to use a serial console [13:47] which you e.g. dont have to do with the babbage images [13:47] Well we're discussing uboot upgrades anyway [13:47] ogra, yes, but to upgrade u-boot in flash to a version that's acceptable requires a serial console [13:47] NCommander: I think providing rom + uboot upgrade USB sticks would rock [13:47] ++ [13:47] I.e. "Setup a tftp server according to the instructions for your desktop OS..." [13:47] lool, the problem is theres no sane way to provide feedback that the upgrade is complete [13:48] NCommander: LEDs? [13:48] uboot doesnt know when a write finished ? [13:48] Anyway, we're getting a bit far from release stuff [13:48] * NCommander fires a back on topic cannon [13:48] My concern was: installing ubuntu on dove requires a step which requires setting up a tftp server, and that should be fixed [13:48] [action] lool and NCommander to discuss u-boot upgrades off-channel and report back [13:48] ACTION received: lool and NCommander to discuss u-boot upgrades off-channel and report back [13:49] I'm happy with uboot upgrade usb sticks or with a new mbubt command or any other similar solution [13:49] So do we have a finite list of things we need to cover in installation instructions? [13:49] so as far as release, how are things looking for armel overall? [13:49] Hey, just got a notification that this meeting is to start in 10 minutes. Gotta love DST. [13:50] GrueMaster, odd, mine came on time this morning O_o; [13:50] same here [13:50] Note: this meeting is likely to run a bit late as to allow us to cover release matters fully [13:50] * ogra just got it now+ [13:50] NCommander: well, there were the bugs I mentioned earlier, that are still pretty high, and in addition, sata on imx51 and sound on dove are still broken [13:50] Anyone know what's going on with bug #431963 [13:50] lool, we'll have to move to #ubuntu-mobile, there's another meeting after us. [13:50] Launchpad bug 431963 in linux-fsl-imx51 "io/fs errors when launching gdm on imx51 with sata" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431963 [13:51] GrueMaster, nothing apart from FSL being on it [13:51] * ogra hasnt heard back more [13:51] NCommander: I dont see it on the fridge calendar; which one is it? [13:51] TB meeting I think is normally right after us [13:51] lool, oh, whoops, TB isn't meeting this week [13:51] GrueMaster: It's not going to be fixed for release; it's targeted as a SRU candidate [13:51] TB is every 2 weeks [13:51] Yes [13:51] so we're fine here [13:51] I figured that. Just wanted to make sure someone was on it. [13:52] GrueMaster: until then, any testing you do on imx51 should be to something other than sata [13:52] ogra: I'm not quite sure FSL cares for it still [13:52] ogra: They got the word that we're past kernel freeze now [13:52] hrm [13:52] ogra: Would be good if you'd stay on top of it so that they provide a SRU able fix [13:52] do they know that we still fix critical bugs post release ? [13:52] yeah [13:53] ogra: You were on the call with me last week and I mentionned that we wanted to still get help from them to fix this bug post release [13:53] ogra: I mentionned the first two weeks after release as the time where we should focus on it [13:53] i'll try to provide them more info and dig down to the actual trigger thats spawned by gnome-session post release [13:53] (They objected that they could not continue working on karmic forever, asking for a deadline) [13:53] Do we have a 2.6.28 kernel I can test to see if the sata problem goes away? [13:53] ogra: A smaller testcase would indeed help [13:53] lool, well, deadline is two weeks post release then [13:54] :) [13:54] GrueMaster, ogra: (post release) feel free to run gnome-session --debug from a xterm session and see what's exactly hanging the board [13:54] or SATA IO [13:54] right [13:54] ogra: Yup, that's what I told them (roughly) [13:55] So are there other release worthy ARM bugs to cover? [13:55] What I see we need to cover: [13:55] Babbage 2.0 display stability issues [13:55] lool: we discussed the suspend/resume and lack of hibernate support earlier [13:55] SATA IO errors [13:55] babbage hibernate support is missing, seems like a config option in the kernel isnt on, thats surely also SRU worthy [13:55] also, on dove only, gnome-screensaver hangs if you lock/unlock the session [13:55] plars: Do you think it needs to be covered in release note like material> [13:56] Does anyone else see the babbage 2.5 screen wrap the top few lines to the bottom? [13:56] lool, probably looking at why we're seeing Y1 instability and plars isn't. [13:56] I dont have access to a dove board to look at gnome-screensaver [13:56] (and suspend not finishing needs debugging on imx51) [13:56]