| ajmitch | asleep or at work? | 00:00 |
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| ScottK | Meh! Sleep is for the weak. | 00:01 |
| sebner | ScottK: I'm really but I have to go to bed. 7 hours in the train. 1.00 am and my first lesson tomorrow is math :( | 00:01 |
| ScottK | OK, you're forgiven. | 00:01 |
| ScottK | Good night. | 00:01 |
| sebner | heh | 00:02 |
| sebner | gn8 and thanks for all your hard work! | 00:02 |
| asac | ScottK: ok we build fixed helix-player, also build tested in ppa ... and checked that firefox can load that plugin in about:plugins | 00:54 |
| asac | about to say good night ;) | 00:54 |
| ScottK | asac: Excellent. Uploaded again, I assume? | 01:04 |
| ScottK | I see it. | 01:05 |
| asac | ScottK: yes. its up | 01:06 |
| asac | thx | 01:06 |
| hedkandi | hello motus | 01:53 |
| hedkandi | I guess you're all busy with the next release. | 01:54 |
| hedkandi | I've spent the past two days trying to learn how to create a package for revu | 01:54 |
| hedkandi | The documentation for this is utterly terrible. | 01:54 |
| hedkandi | and I can safely say that I am a smart guy, and if, after two days of study | 01:55 |
| hedkandi | I still have not got a clue what you people, and your documentation is on about | 01:55 |
| hedkandi | then it is inadequate. | 01:55 |
| hedkandi | I think you guys could think a little less about all the fantastic features you're going to brag about | 01:55 |
| hedkandi | and think a little more about how to make linux accessible to other people instead. | 01:56 |
| micahg | hedkandi: if you think the process needs help, then help make it better | 01:56 |
| hedkandi | I am not in a position to fix it myself because I know nothing about the topic | 01:56 |
| hedkandi | obviously | 01:56 |
| micahg | then how do you know there's a problem? | 01:56 |
| zooko | hedkandi: you sound frustrated. | 01:56 |
| hedkandi | this "oh it's up to YOU to solve the problem" is a cop-out | 01:56 |
| zooko | I sympathize with the frustration of trying to do something technical and finding the docs inadequate. | 01:57 |
| hedkandi | it's just a way of absolving yourselves of the responsibility | 01:57 |
| micahg | not up to you, but most of the people here are volunteers | 01:57 |
| hedkandi | right well I'm going to bed | 01:57 |
| hedkandi | bye | 01:57 |
| micahg | ugh | 01:58 |
| micahg | that frustrates me | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | what, the complete lack of specific details in that whine? | 01:58 |
| micahg | the arrogance that the user needs to be served, that because something already exists, it must be made perfect by the people who made it | 01:59 |
| micahg | I think it's cool that people can jump in and help | 02:00 |
| micahg | that's one of the reasons I like being a part of the ubuntu community | 02:00 |
| micahg | over the past few days I had a small glimpse into the amount of work that goes into packaging | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | and because of that, I recognise that I've lost my right to complain about karmic by not helping improve it :) | 02:02 |
| micahg | and I think it's amazing what the MOTUs do | 02:02 |
| directhex | he didn't even say which docs he feels sucks | 02:05 |
| directhex | so... | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | probably the packaging guide | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | but we don't know | 02:08 |
| * Yagisan is suddenly reminded why he would violate the CoC should he ever do "support" again for free | 02:14 | |
| directhex | i quit #debian many years ago to avoid high blood pressure | 02:18 |
| Yagisan | I can imagine | 02:20 |
| Yagisan | it's the sense of entitlement that is most frustrating | 02:21 |
| * ScottK has a consulting rate for sense of entitlement | 02:21 | |
| Yagisan | it's easier to put up with when you get financially compensated, but most of these people are too cheep for that | 02:22 |
| zul | ajmitch: blah | 02:25 |
| * Yagisan wonders if he should upgrade or fresh install in 2 days | 02:25 | |
| ScottK | zul: Would you mind pastebining me your opennebula diff? | 02:41 |
| ScottK | Nevermind | 02:42 |
| ScottK | zul: Ack. Looks good. Thanks. | 02:43 |
| ScottK | So I'm starting to like debhelper 7. | 03:57 |
| ari-tczew | why? | 03:57 |
| ScottK | I spent an hour trying to coax pyproj into building with it's cdbs rules and gave it up as impossible. In 5 minutes I had it building with debhelper 7. | 03:58 |
| ScottK | Nice readable docs too. I didn't have to grep the source to figure stuff out http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/debhelper.html | 04:01 |
| ari-tczew | While kamic development cycle I saw that developers don't like debhelper 7, because it breaks languages or something... | 04:01 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. | 04:02 |
| ScottK | ari-tczew: I think people are still getting used to it because it's new. | 04:02 |
| ari-tczew | e.g. notify-osd | 04:02 |
| ScottK | No idea about that. | 04:03 |
| ScottK | Personally, I've stayed away from it because I wasn't having any problems I thought it would solve. | 04:04 |
| ScottK | Until tonight. | 04:04 |
| ari-tczew | ScottK: are you working 24h ? | 04:05 |
| StevenK | ScottK: But cdbs is a problem? :-) | 04:05 |
| ScottK | Not quite. | 04:05 |
| ScottK | StevenK: IME it works fine for many common use cases. It's when you need to deviate from that that the magic gets scary and dark. | 04:05 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Exactly. If you have a simple ./configure, make, make install, it's fine. But debhelper 7 even makes that case simple | 04:06 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 04:06 |
| ScottK | If I was starting a package from scratch now, I'd use dh, but until tonight I've had no case for doing the work to convert an existing package. | 04:07 |
| StevenK | ScottK: I've ripped yada out of packages, and switched to db | 04:08 |
| StevenK | *dh | 04:08 |
| ScottK | Well yada, sure. | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: have you managed to purge yada from the archive yet? | 04:09 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: No. :-( | 04:10 |
| StevenK | There's still around 20 source packages that use it. | 04:10 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee reckons we should just remove it and let those 20 break. | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | I agree | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | I don't recognise any of those 20 packages, I'm sure they're not important | 04:11 |
| * StevenK ponders a death-to-yada spec | 04:13 | |
| ScottK | +1 | 04:14 |
| JanC | hm, how to find those 20? ;) | 04:14 |
| StevenK | checkrdepends | 04:15 |
| ScottK | I'm thinking about a spec to have up stop carrying binaries forward from old releases. Once the toolchain is in place, rebuild the entire archive and remove any binaries that fail. | 04:15 |
| ScottK | That way any binaries we release with we know built at least once during the cycle. | 04:15 |
| StevenK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/302525/ | 04:16 |
| lifeless | ScottK: +1 | 04:16 |
| zooko | I really like the fact that libcrypto++ runs its self-tests when built, which means that I don't have to worry about a broken one (due to the apparently bug in the new binutils) showing up in Ubuntu. | 04:16 |
| ScottK | More self tests would be good. | 04:16 |
| zooko | It makes me fantasize about the Test Driven Operating System, where no upgrade is allowed if it doesn't pass its own unit tests strictly better than the previous version did. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | The bigger problem now though is the ~10% of the archive we can't build. | 04:17 |
| StevenK | Some of the packages in that list are ... special | 04:17 |
| ScottK | StevenK: They are. I did a fair number of removals this time around too (thanks for the help on kaffe, btw). | 04:17 |
| micahg | ScottK: are FTBFS fixes allowed after release? | 04:17 |
| ScottK | micahg: Yes. | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | micahg: normal SRU rules | 04:17 |
| JanC | StevenK: I guess this is 'reverse-build-depends' in karmic? | 04:19 |
| StevenK | JanC: They are the packages that Build-Depends in yada in Karmic | 04:22 |
| dtchen | ugh, another item queued for the long 10.04 fixing | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | dtchen: bug 433683 can be set as fix released since the fix is in the linux-backports-modules-alsa package? | 04:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 433683 in linux "HP Pavilion dv7 2108 doesn't mute speakers & switch output to headphones when they are plugged in" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433683 | 04:24 |
| dtchen | ajmitch: nah, not until 10.04 gets 2.6.3x, x>=2. OTOH, I've added a linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 task and marked it Fix Released | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | ok, thought I'd check since the alsa modules package isn't particularly obvious | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | but the fix works nicely, it's good to be able to listen to music in the office again :) | 04:29 |
| dtchen | yeah, I'm happy l-b-m gained the 20091012 snapshot | 04:29 |
| dtchen | it resolves a crackload of regressions | 04:29 |
| ScottK | BTW, we're open for business for Universe uploads for another 7 and a half hours ... | 04:34 |
| porthose | ScottK, bug #461656 | 04:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461656 in rapache "Rapache FTBFS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461656 | 04:35 |
| ScottK | Looking | 04:35 |
| ScottK | porthose: Uploaded. Thank you. | 04:45 |
| porthose | ScottK, ty :) | 04:46 |
| ScottK | porthose: I did edit your debian/changelog slightly. Have a look at that after it's in. | 04:47 |
| porthose | ScottK, Ok, was it not verbose enough? | 04:47 |
| ScottK | porthose: No, The regex for auto bug closing has a space in it. Also don't go over 79 characters in a line. | 04:48 |
| porthose | Oh ok | 04:48 |
| wrapster | guys no matter what i try im still not going any further than http://pastie.org/670439 | 05:04 |
| wrapster | did everything I know... can anyone help me pls.. | 05:05 |
| wrapster | according to geser, idea i tried running individual make, even then I end up with this only. | 05:05 |
| wrapster | damn libnss | 05:05 |
| wrapster | pls help folks | 05:05 |
| JanC | is that on Solaris or what? | 05:07 |
| wrapster | JanC: thats on nexenta: solaris kernel+ ubuntu userland | 05:08 |
| fabrice_sp | wrapster, not sure you will receive help today: this is the last day for last bugfixing uploads | 05:09 |
| * ScottK will be back after some sleep to review more stuff. | 05:10 | |
| wrapster | fabrice_sp: oh man.. | 05:10 |
| wrapster | ok.. if you ppl find some time pls look into this as well.. | 05:10 |
| wrapster | thanks anyway guys. | 05:10 |
| fabrice_sp | Any motu release to have a look at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302554/ (const char * invalid conversion) | 05:33 |
| fabrice_sp | ScottK, I've just uploaded kmchart, linked to the previous pastebin | 05:48 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:45 |
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| fabrice_sp | Hi. Any motu-release to have a look at bug #461696? | 08:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461696 in jta "FFe: Sync jta 2.6+dfsg-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461696 | 08:56 |
| fabrice_sp | this fixes a FTBFS | 08:56 |
| wrapster | folks finally i built the libnss 64bit version... | 09:01 |
| wrapster | working fine.. if anyone is free let me know.. I have a few queries (not with pkging) to now write a wrapper for this... | 09:02 |
| ScottK | fabrice_sp: Looks good. Thanks. | 09:28 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks ScottK :-) | 09:29 |
| dstansby | Hi guys, just wondering if anyone could elighten me as to why I'm getting the following error whilst trying to build a package: | 09:50 |
| dstansby | Error: Target "linux", package "rtl" not found | 09:50 |
| dstansby | make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 | 09:50 |
| dstansby | dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 | 09:50 |
| sebner | ScottK: I ignored my alarm clock, slept until now (missed maths) ... anything to sponsor for me? ^^ | 09:57 |
| ScottK | sebner: Not that I know of. | 09:59 |
| directhex | sebner, can you beat monobristol.git with a stick until allpackages.git works for me? | 09:59 |
| sebner | directhex: looking | 10:01 |
| ScottK | I'm off for awhile, but ought to be able to make an appearance shortly before we lock things down. | 10:02 |
| sebner | directhex: wondering what's broken there (again) | 10:03 |
| ogra | ScottK, hrm, your upload broke usb-imagewriter | 10:43 |
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| Q-FUNK | howdy! what is the procedure for getting a package approved to ${LTS}-backports ? | 11:34 |
| Q-FUNK | I'm refering to the request in LP bug #237224 which I think is reasonable. | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 237224 in cups-pdf "No PDF file created when too-long File names result from ridiculous web page titles " [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/237224 | 11:35 |
| Q-FUNK | the delta between what's in Hardy and current upstream is minimal. | 11:35 |
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| wrapster | why does something like this not work? how can i resolve it? | 11:45 |
| wrapster | http://pastie.org/671432 | 11:45 |
| maco | can someone hit the retry button on maven-repository-builder? it was ftbfs but the dependency issue is fixed so it should build now | 11:46 |
| maco | er oh... wait it failed to build on i386... | 11:47 |
| randomaction | !backports | Q-FUNK | 11:50 |
| ubottu | Q-FUNK: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging | 11:50 |
| maco | ok yeah, i think maven-repository-builder should build now | 11:54 |
| ScottK | ogra: OK. Ack for the revert. | 11:54 |
| ogra | ScottK, gracias | 12:00 |
| slytherin | maco: it failed again | 12:03 |
| maco | i wonder if it failed in the same way | 12:03 |
| slytherin | taht only you can tell. | 12:04 |
| maco | the fail was a missing dependency that is definitely in the repos | 12:04 |
| ScottK | Would someone with ops please make /topic say we are FROZEN for Karmic. | 12:05 |
| slytherin | This time it is MethodNotFoundException | 12:05 |
| ScottK | It's SRU material now. | 12:05 |
| maco | slytherin: only on i386, right? just like before? | 12:06 |
| maco | it builds in a amd64 pbuilder | 12:06 |
| slytherin | maco: It is arch:all package. It will be built only on i386. | 12:06 |
| maco | oh ok | 12:06 |
| dtchen | maco: create an i386 {s,}chroot and recreate the issue | 12:28 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 14:30 |
| iulian | Hi bddebian. | 14:31 |
| bddebian | Heya iulian | 14:31 |
| sebner | huhu bddebian iulian | 14:45 |
| iulian | Hey sebner. | 14:46 |
| bdrung_ | iulian, nhandler, ScottK, sistpoty|work: we did not manage to update eclipse-cdt. so it's better to remove it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse-cdt/+bug/461995 | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461995 in eclipse-cdt "RFA: Please remove eclipse-cdt from the karmic" [Undecided,New] | 14:57 |
| sistpoty|work | bdrung_: what about duing an sru? | 14:58 |
| iulian | bdrung_: Is it really not needed anymore? | 14:58 |
| bdrung_ | sistpoty|work: this would be an solution. but for eclipse-cdt we need some more packages (eclipse-mylyn, eclipse-emf, eclipse-rse) which are not in the archive | 15:00 |
| sistpoty|work | bdrung_: ah, ok, I guess removal seems like the better choice then | 15:00 |
| bdrung_ | iulian: there are users of eclipse-cdt, but the package in the archive is totally outdated and does not work. | 15:00 |
| sistpoty|work | (or at least removing the binaries) | 15:01 |
| bdrung_ | removing the binaries would be sufficient | 15:01 |
| bdrung_ | with the current eclipse package you can install plugins as user (stored in ~/.eclipse). | 15:01 |
| bdrung_ | iulian, nhandler, ScottK, sistpoty|work: second question: will the bugfix for bug 448337 be accepted? | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 448337 in nautilus-open-terminal ".bashrc is not executed when terminal is opened through nautilus-open-terminal" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448337 | 15:04 |
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| sebner | huhu sistpoty|work , I missed you desperatly yesterday :P | 15:05 |
| sistpoty|work | hi sebner | 15:05 |
| sistpoty|work | sebner: I was busy at work :( | 15:05 |
| sebner | heh | 15:05 |
| sebner | np | 15:05 |
| sistpoty|work | bdrung_: I assume it can go through via SRU | 15:08 |
| bdrung_ | k | 15:09 |
| * hyperair scratches head. where did all my wine shortcuts go? | 15:10 | |
| hyperair | it seems winemenubuilder blew them away =.= | 15:10 |
| sebner | heh, huhu hyperair | 15:11 |
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| hyperair | damn weird =\ | 15:11 |
| hyperair | i mean all i did was replace a wined3d.dll.. | 15:11 |
| hyperair | and do some tweaks with winetools. wait, that must have done it | 15:12 |
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| konstantin | hi! i like to code, i like ubuntu, linux, c++, c and so on ... couple of minutes ago i watched MOTU: Common Questions Asked on youtube. how can i get into this? | 17:29 |
| dholbach | hey konstantin | 17:31 |
| konstantin | hi :) | 17:31 |
| dholbach | check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted and the pages linked from there | 17:31 |
| dholbach | there should be a bunch of good information like the packaging guide, the packaging recipes, information about ubuntu development processes and stuff and links to more videos | 17:31 |
| dholbach | karmic is almost "in the bag" now, but Lucid could be YOUR release cycle :) | 17:32 |
| maco | konstantin: welcome :) | 17:33 |
| konstantin | i expected you guys to trash me *haha | 17:33 |
| maco | (go check out his other vids of howtos...very useful!) | 17:33 |
| konstantin | very nice in here | 17:34 |
| maco | that wouldnt be very ubuntu :P | 17:34 |
| dholbach | konstantin: and be sure to ask your questions in here - we appreciate you helping out | 17:35 |
| konstantin | wow! Packaging Training is this Thursday at 7 am in switzerland that's early | 17:36 |
| konstantin | i try to join you then | 17:38 |
| dholbach | konstantin: I don't think there's a session planned atm | 17:39 |
| dholbach | we're figuring out something there | 17:39 |
| konstantin | cool | 17:39 |
| mpt | Does apt treat "Breaks:" without a less-than clause identically to "Conflicts:"? | 17:56 |
| hyperair | can someone here run `dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE`? | 18:00 |
| hyperair | someone here running 32-bit ubuntu | 18:01 |
| randomaction | hyperair: i486-linux-gnu | 18:04 |
| hyperair | alright thanks | 18:04 |
| randomaction | hyperair: (karmic i386) | 18:04 |
| hyperair | thanks. | 18:04 |
| hyperair | so it's not my chroot acting weird | 18:04 |
| hyperair | so how do i go about getting the $host as autotools would detect it? | 18:05 |
| hyperair | from debian/rules, that is | 18:05 |
| konstantin | does anybody know why karmic doesn't ship with pidgin? | 18:22 |
| jdong | konstantin: it was decided to ship Telepathy instead | 18:23 |
| konstantin | because it uses D-Bus? | 18:24 |
| joaopinto | konstantin, because empathy was selected as the default | 18:25 |
| joaopinto | for multiple reasons, gnome integration being one of them | 18:25 |
| ari-tczew | It's not the time for wondering "why?" | 18:26 |
| konstantin | oh ok ... just trying to figure out how to seek out fitting software | 18:26 |
| CarlFK | is there a script to make a dpatch-run .patch file using cvs diff? | 18:26 |
| fabrice_sp | CarlFK, you can use dpatch-edit-patch <patch-name> and apply the diff inside the shell | 18:57 |
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| ari-tczew | CarlFK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303023/ | 19:03 |
| * kees joins the rest of motu and hugs ScottK too :) | 19:39 | |
| jcastro | omg kittens! | 19:43 |
| * quadrispro gives ScottK an hug and a beer | 19:53 | |
| * micahg isn't a MOTU but wants to give ScottK a hug anyways :) | 19:55 | |
| CarlFK | fabrice_sp: ari-tczew - thanks | 20:14 |
| fabrice_sp | yw | 20:15 |
| fabrice_sp | 86 packages are not installable because of unmets. It's better than Intrepid, if I remember correctly | 20:30 |
| fabrice_sp | Better than Jaunty, I wanted to say | 20:31 |
| micahg | \sh: is there a reason that zend framework doesn't install dojo? | 21:20 |
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| Buuntu | hi, can I request a mentor here? | 21:36 |
| maco | Buuntu: asking on the mailing list might work better :) | 21:39 |
| Buuntu | maco: link? | 21:40 |
| maco | Buuntu: universe is already frozen for karmic, so i think things'll be a little calm til lucid opens up | 21:40 |
| * maco looks | 21:40 | |
| porthose | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Junior_Contributor | 21:41 |
| dtchen | ubuntu-motu@lists | 21:41 |
| maco | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu | 21:41 |
| Buuntu | thanks | 21:41 |
| * maco goes to read the wiki link | 21:41 | |
| maco | never saw that before | 21:41 |
| zooko | #l | 22:08 |
| zooko | oops | 22:08 |
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