[00:08] <ukev> hi, does the contact replication work now?
[00:16] <statik> ukev, we still are fixing a bug on the server where users oauth tokens aren't set up  correctly - doesn't affect data, we'll be running a script to fix it tomorrow i think
[00:16] <statik> and then contact replication will work for everyone, not just some people
[00:16] <ukev> ok that sounds very good :)
[00:17] <ukev> another issue... the firefox freez with bindwood still exists
[00:17] <ukev> is the dev here or should I update the bug?
[00:17] <jcastro> ukev: I followed the instructions in the bug and mine doesn't freeze anymore
[00:18] <ukev> hm... I deleted my complete couchdb files and killed all couchdb processes
[00:19] <jcastro> I just now did a reinstall of a laptop and have not had freezes yet
[00:19] <jcastro> though it's not syncing with anything, probably the same reason contacts aren't syncing
[00:19] <ukev> maybe you haven't anough bookmarks to trigger the freeze?
[00:20] <jcastro> I have added like 10
[00:20] <ukev> or you have (had) another bug than me
[00:20] <jcastro> maybe I should try that
[00:20] <ukev> I have more than 200..
[00:21] <ukev> urbanape?
[00:22] <urbanape> ukev, I think a new version just went in.
[00:22] <ukev> I have 0.4.2-0ubuntu1
[00:22] <urbanape> 0.4.2-0ubuntu2 is the latest, I think
[00:22] <ukev> in proposed?
[00:23] <urbanape> let me check my email
[00:23] <jcastro> 0.4.2-0ubuntu2 is what I have
[00:24] <ukev> oh you are right...
[00:24] <jcastro> ukev: it just hit my mirror like an hour ago
[00:24] <ukev> yes, I must have updated 1 minute before the new version... :(
[00:28] <urbanape> ukev, do you have livemarks?
[00:28] <urbanape> (RSS feeds, &c)
[00:29] <ukev> ahm, I did not use that, maybe it was default added?
[00:29] <ukev> I will look
[00:30] <urbanape> the default profiles installed in Ubuntu have at least one livemarks folder (Latest Headlines)
[00:31] <urbanape> 200 bookmarks will have a noticeable lag at startup, and probably when it pulls the bookmarks. The next major version of Bindwood will be tracking the CouchDB's _changes feed, and will be *way* less intensive
[00:31] <ukev> yes there is one
[00:32] <ukev> next major version of bindwood will be in ubuntu 10.04?
[00:32] <urbanape> if you've synced before 0.4.2-0ubuntu1, the livemarks are probably present in CouchDB, and they'll continue to be a PITA for you afterwards. The easiest solution is to blow away (again) your bookmarks db in Couch and let Bindwood repopulate. It will skip the livemarks folder altogether now.
[00:32] <urbanape> ukev, yes, and also available through our PPA in the meanwhile
[00:33] <urbanape> Once karmic lands I'm going to devote some serious time to cleaning up Bindwood. I've got a branch started for the _changes feeds and better handling of startup pushing.
[00:33] <urbanape> but it was just too much invasive work to land before karmic launch.
[00:34] <ukev> yes I understand... ppa is ok, but I don't think, that the startup lag will be to much at the moment
[00:35] <ukev> ok... to be safe... deleting the bookmarks db in the desktop couch should be enough?
[00:35] <urbanape> I'd like to use you as a guinea pig (muahahahaha). Definitely let me know if you notice any horrible lags when it does the pull.
[00:35] <urbanape> ukev, should be enough, yes. On restart, Firefox will just push its bookmarks again (ignoring the livemarks, this time).
[00:35] <urbanape> Alternately...
[00:36] <urbanape> you can stop desktop couch, move aside the actual bookmarks db file and restart Firefox.
[00:36] <ukev> no... its no problem... I have a backup of the bookmarks as file... I delete the db :)
[00:36] <urbanape> That should restart desktop couch, recreate the bookmarks db, and sync, blah blah, but you'd had a backup of the bookmarks Couch DB (if you wanted a zillion copies of your latest headlines)
[00:37] <urbanape> I kinda hate that that's the easy solution.
[00:37] <ukev> ok great, firefox starts now with bindwood
[00:37] <urbanape> we noodled on some solutions to help users who were already afflicted with livemark syndrome, but again, none of them would have landed before karmic launch.
[00:38] <ukev> oh no... that was to early...
[00:38] <urbanape> uh oh.
[00:38] <ukev> consumes 4 Gig ram at the moment... increasing
[00:38] <urbanape> bwuh?
[00:39] <ukev> hm... stays at 4 gig, thats something new :)
[00:39] <ukev> but firefox UI is dead..
[00:40] <ukev> bindwood has added 45 bookmarks to the db
[00:40] <ukev> 48... seems to work
[00:40] <ukev> but what is consuming so much of my ram and why?
[00:40] <urbanape> but 4GB. that's kinda staggering
[00:41] <ukev> it's interesting... bindwood add a bookmark, wait for 5-8 seconds and add the next one...
[00:41] <urbanape> we should probably batch push the bookmarks, although even 200 PUT requests in rapid sequence shouldn't be a problem for either Firefox or Couch.
[00:42] <ukev> yes, what do you do at the moment?
[00:42] <ukev> check if each one exists?
[00:42] <urbanape> yeah, basically.
[00:43] <ukev> 49... :(
[00:43] <urbanape> holy cow.
[00:43] <ukev> but the good news are... it does not consume more memory
[00:43] <urbanape> heh. how much do you have?
[00:43] <ukev> 8 gig
[00:44] <urbanape> well, that's a small blessing
[00:44] <ukev> oh... there were not expensive, I buyd 6 gigs for 50 euro 3 weeks ago...
[00:45] <ukev> but back on topic... firefox use 100% of one of my cores
[00:45] <urbanape> are you running it in debug mode?
[00:45] <ukev> no, not that I know ;)
[00:46] <ukev> 58..
[00:47] <ukev> still ui freez
[00:47] <urbanape> you do so by launching it from the command line: $ BINDWOOD_DEBUG=1 firefox &
[00:47] <urbanape> man, that's horrible.
[00:47] <ukev> I will now kill firefox and test something
[00:47] <urbanape> probably wouldn't help in this case, as you still have to be able to get to the error console to see any of the diagnostics.
[00:47] <urbanape> I think I'm gonna make the next major version write out a logfile or something.
[00:50] <ukev> that would be great :)
[00:53] <ukev> ok, now I have all bookmarks in the db
[00:54] <ukev> I removed the db and all bookmarks from firefox, restarted it and activate bindwood
[00:54] <ukev> after that I imported all my bookmarks from the backup file... it takes 12 seconds to add all bookmark in the desktop couch
[00:55] <ukev> there are 213 documents now
[00:56] <urbanape> and how's the responsiveness?
[00:56] <ukev> good... no issues
[00:57] <urbanape> when it pulls, it reschedules itself 30sec in the future. I imagine if it were stalling, you'd know pretty soon. And repeatedly.
[00:57] <urbanape> brb
[00:58] <ukev> hm maybe... I have a lot of tabs open at startup, can that be an issue?
[00:58] <ukev> ok... it's not a lot... only 20, but for some people thats much
[00:58] <ukev> because firefox is loading the tabs and starting up bindwood sync...
[00:59] <ukev> I will now try to restart firefox
[00:59] <ukev> ok, same again... firefox consumes memory and cpu
[01:00] <urbanape> as much and as long?
[01:01] <ukev> as much as before..
[01:02] <ukev> ok I closed all tabs... but same again
[01:03] <ukev> I really can not image why it needs so much ram
[01:03] <ukev> imagine..
[01:04] <urbanape> yeah, I've not noticed the RAM usage, but I have noticed a small lag at startup. I've only got a tenth the bookmarks that you have, though.
[01:06] <ukev> yeah but that mean 20MB for each bookmark... for a saving a little bit text..
[01:06] <urbanape> yeah, that's no good.
[01:06] <ukev> whats your data structure?
[01:07] <urbanape> we turn each firefox bookmark record into a very simple JSON document and PUT that in Couch.
[01:08] <ukev> hm
[01:09] <ukev> do you put that in couch seriell or parallel?
[01:09] <urbanape> serially
[01:10] <ukev> so a document is created... stored... deleted... or kept in ram?
[01:11] <urbanape> process is like this: at startup, we collect all the local bookmarks and iterate over them, checking to see if they're already in Couch, and if not, PUTting them there.
[01:11] <urbanape> Then we poll Couch for new info.
[01:11] <urbanape> We also register event handlers for bookmark notifications (additions, modifications, and deletions) and propagate those back to Couch as needed.
[01:12] <ukev> do you use lazy initialization for the iterator?
[01:13] <urbanape> no, I suspect the problem is that we use a depth-first recursive search over our bookmarks folders: toolbar folder, bookmarks menu folder, and unfiled bookmarks folder.
[01:13] <urbanape> those keep the folder objects open until they've finished the entire tree, so there's probably more open than needed.
[01:14] <ukev> hm ok... but do you mean a bfs search would be faster?
[01:14] <urbanape> batching or queuing would probably make it a bit more streamlined and less greedy.
[01:14] <ukev> hm ok
[01:14] <urbanape> yeah, deal with immediate bookmarks, and queue up peer level folders, then pop the next folder off, doing the same thing.
[01:14] <ukev> ah.. and I have all my bookmarks in the toolbar folder
[01:15] <urbanape> but in folders, right?
[01:15] <urbanape> do you have nested folders?
[01:15] <urbanape> or, like 10 folders with 20 bookmarks each
[01:16] <ukev> no, I have some folder up to 5 sub folders
[01:16] <ukev> hm ok... the cpu problem accurs much before the ram problem
[01:17] <ukev> you need not so much bookmarks for a small oder bigger lag but you need much more to notice the ram problem
[01:18] <ukev> I deleted ~30 bookmarks... restart firefox .... delete 30 bookmarks and so on... the ram problem was gnone after deleting 40-60 bookmarks from my 200
[01:19] <ukev> but firefox was still freezy... until I deleted ~150 bookmarks... that I started after a log of 20 seconds
[01:19] <ukev> ^than it started after a lag of 20 seconds ... should that be... sorry
[01:20] <urbanape> man. Thanks for your patience in this.
[01:20] <ukev> but all deleted bookmarks are still in the couch and now I have a folder called "Desktop Couch" in my bookmarks menu in firefox which have really a lot of entrys
[01:21] <urbanape> we have to propagate the deletions back to Couch, so that any other previously-synced computer knows to delete their local copy of the bookmark.
[01:22] <urbanape> are the ones in the Desktop Couch folder the ones you've just deleted?
[01:24] <ukev> yes it looks like... but not all
[01:24] <ukev> very curios
[01:24] <urbanape> have you had your desktop couch replicated to the u1 servers?
[01:24] <ukev> I don't know how to check this..
[01:25] <urbanape> Since I don't have it set up, either, neither am I.
[01:25] <urbanape> I guess by trying to go to http://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:25] <urbanape> but I'm not sure.
[01:25] <ukev> Oh, I didn't notice this url ;)
[01:26] <ukev> so I gues I have not replicated to the u1 servers :)
[01:26] <ukev> guess^^... its to late in time
[01:26] <urbanape> Yeah, I don't think going to the base of that URL isn't the right address. I think each user has some sub-path that's theirs.
[01:27] <ukev> yes, that sounds logically
[01:29] <ukev> but for now... I really need to go to bad... If you have any idea or something to test, please let me know and I will help you.. you can contact my through https://launchpad.net/~ukev
[01:30] <ukev> bad=bed...
[01:31] <urbanape> thanks so much. We'll get it squared away. If not by launch, then soon after.
[01:31] <urbanape> night
[01:32] <ukev> thanks for your work... I really hope that in some day I can have my own sync server and have all in sync... ;)
[01:33] <ukev> night
[01:48] <pinklerose> hello
[01:48] <pinklerose> i have just upgrade jaunty to karmic and want to use ubuntuone
[01:49] <pinklerose> but cant find 'add computer' button
[01:49] <pinklerose> where it should be?
[02:01] <dobey> pinklerose: you were already using it on jaunty?
[02:02] <pinklerose> karmic upgraded from jaunty
[02:02] <dobey> right, but were you using ubuntuone on jaunty?
[02:02] <pinklerose> no
[02:05] <dobey> then a firefox window should pop up when you open Applications->Internet->Ubuntu One the first time
[02:07] <pinklerose> i read about it but nothing happen at first time
[02:07] <pinklerose> :(
[02:07] <pinklerose> try reinstall and nothing
[02:08] <pinklerose> where is location of config in home?
[02:09] <dobey> and you didn't get an error?
[02:09] <pinklerose> found in .config, anywhere else?
[02:10] <pinklerose> http://paste.ubuntu.com/302475/
[02:11] <dobey> you're not using networkmanager?
[02:11] <pinklerose> no, wicd
[02:11] <pinklerose> should be NM?
[02:19] <dobey> that appears to be the issue, yes, unfortunately
[02:20] <pinklerose> i'll try whith this
[02:20] <pinklerose> brb
[02:24] <pinklerose> works with network manager
[02:24] <pinklerose> also should work without nm
[02:26] <dobey> yes it should
[02:27] <dobey> wicd etc.. really should provide the NetworkManager dbus interface too (as it's meant to be a standard interface for getting connection status and such)
[02:36] <marenostrum> Hello! Ubuntu 9.04 here. Are Ubuntu One servers down at the moment or is there something wrong on my side? Is there anybody who can connect at the moment? (I just installed the client and couldn't connect even as a "first time" to register my machine) Ican't even "report a problem" via client because its not connected.
[02:37] <dobey> the client doesn't need to be connected for 'report a problem' to work
[02:38] <marenostrum> but it does't respond when I click "report a problem"
[02:38] <marenostrum> it responds nothing but its there
[02:38] <dobey> you don't get a dialog saying that it's collecting information?
[02:38] <marenostrum> no
[02:39] <marenostrum> there is a x on it meaning its idle I tyhink
[02:39] <dobey> that means the applet is disconnected
[02:39] <marenostrum> yes
[02:39] <dobey> but "report a problem" just runs "ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client"
[02:40] <marenostrum> when i click on it and click connect, nothing happens.
[02:40] <dobey> so it should open an apport dialog that lets you report a problem, and attaches useful logs and such for you
[02:41] <pinklerose> tnx for help
[02:41] <pinklerose> c ya
[02:41] <marenostrum> it doesn't do anything. Do you advice me to reinstall or report a bug or....?
[02:42] <dobey> marenostrum: does running "xdg-open http://ubuntuone.com/" work (open your browser with that page)?
[02:42] <marenostrum> one moment
[02:44] <marenostrum> yes yhat code opened firefox with ubuntu one page
[02:44] <dobey> ok
[02:44] <dobey> what happens if you run "ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client" ?
[02:45] <marenostrum> Exception RuntimeError: 'maximum recursion depth exceeded while calling a Python object' in <type 'exceptions.AttributeError'> ignored
[02:45] <marenostrum> Exception RuntimeError: 'maximum recursion depth exceeded in __subclasscheck__' in <type 'exceptions.AttributeError'> ignored
[02:45] <marenostrum> Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress? Error: cannot import name walk
[02:46] <dobey> that's interesting
[02:46] <dobey> but explains why "report a problem" doesn't work
[02:52] <dobey> marenostrum: can you look in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log and paste the contents in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ and paste the url it gives you back, here?
[02:53] <marenostrum> ok. wait some minutes please
[02:57] <marenostrum> dobey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302496/
[03:01] <dobey> marenostrum: i think there is a larger general problem with your system and python
[03:01] <dobey> marenostrum: i've never seen anything like that before with ubuntuone :)
[03:01] <marenostrum> means?
[03:02] <marenostrum> I can wait 2 days for a fresh install of 9.10 but if i can be helpful for developers...
[03:02] <marenostrum> ... i am ready.
[03:02] <dobey> marenostrum: well, given that apport is broken too, and you've got this very weird error from apparently twisted, i'd say something is broken with one or more python modules on your system
[03:04] <marenostrum> if there's nothing useful for developers from this issue that is not important for me. 9.10 will be here in 2 days.
[03:04] <marenostrum> if you want to learn something more... please don't hesitate to ask.
[03:05] <dobey> i'd like to understand what broke, but i've really no idea what to tell you to lok at next
[03:05] <marenostrum> so... may I leave?
[03:06] <dobey> outside of go through all the python packages installed in your system, and do "dpkg-reconfigure $packagename" for each one
[03:06] <marenostrum> thanks, i will try it.
[03:07] <marenostrum> dobey: May I leave now or you want me to be around here?
[03:08] <dobey> i'd start with python-twisted-core
[03:08] <dobey> you don't need to stick around if you don't want to
[03:08] <marenostrum> Thank you very much for your efforts.
[03:08] <dobey> i'm about to go to sleep myself :)
[03:08] <dobey> thanks
[03:08] <marenostrum> :)
[09:29] <Ian_Corne> if i use nautilus to put a file in my ubuntu one dir, it works and syncs, if i try to upload via the site, i get an internal error
[09:30] <aquarius> Ian_Corne, some people have been experiencing this -- the team are working on it as we speak
[09:31] <Ian_Corne> ok
[09:33] <Ian_Corne> how does the "shared with me" folder work?
[09:42] <aquarius> You can share any folder in your Ubuntu One folder with other users. If another user shares a folder of files with you, then those shared files appear in your "Shared With Me".
[09:43] <Ian_Corne> how do i share a folder with someone?
[09:44] <aquarius> right-click on it and say "Share on Ubuntu One"
[09:45] <Ian_Corne> on the website then?
[09:45] <aquarius> No, in Nautilus
[09:45] <aquarius> you can also share on the website; select a folder, and then click Share on the right hand side
[09:46] <Ian_Corne> don't see that option
[09:46] <aquarius> oops, sorry "Sharing" at the top
[09:46] <Ian_Corne> ah it has to be a folder?
[09:46] <aquarius> Yep. You can't share an individual file; you have to share a folder.
[09:46] <aquarius> (YOu can of course put that single file in a folder on its own and then share the folder)
[09:46] <Ian_Corne> atm i have no way to get the applet to show itself again
[09:47] <aquarius> You don't need to show the applet?
[09:47] <Ian_Corne> I do to get to the website, didn't bookmark it
[09:48] <aquarius> one.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <Ian_Corne> ah it's one.ubuntu :)
[09:48] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[09:48] <aquarius> we tried to call it something memorable :)
[12:34] <newM41n1> hi guys
[12:34] <newM41n1> is it possible to use Ubuntu one as a SVN?
[12:35] <teknico> newM41n1, you may want to use launchpad and bazaar for that :-)
[13:04] <thisfred> newM41n1: nothing stopping you from putting an svn repository in your Ubuntu One folder, but it'll only be an online backup, you won't be able to acces it as such online
[14:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS!
[14:00] <jblount> Hi Desktop+ development team! I'd love to hear what you've been working on and what you plan to work on going forward. Please respond with "me" if you are here for the meeting:
[14:00] <jblount> CardinalFang
[14:00] <jblount> statik
[14:00] <jblount> rodrigo_
[14:00] <jblount> vds1
[14:00] <jblount> teknico
[14:00] <jblount> dobey
[14:00] <jblount> urbanape
[14:00] <teknico> me
[14:00] <aquarius> hmph.
[14:00] <aquarius> me.
[14:00] <teknico> ;-P
[14:00] <jblount> aquarius
[14:00] <aquarius> :)
[14:00] <urbanape> me
[14:01] <jblount> aquarius: That was a bad paste, I promise you were included :)
[14:01] <jblount> me
[14:01] <CardinalFang> That's a bad way to learn you're fired.
[14:01] <CardinalFang> me
[14:01] <aquarius> CardinalFang, I was just checking that I'm still in the staff directory ;)
[14:01] <vds1> me
[14:03] <dobey> me
[14:04] <jblount> teknico: Go for it :)
[14:04] <teknico> right
[14:04] <teknico> DONE: landed the couch-contacs-db-gone-missing branch, which improves logging for the contacts web UI and for CouchDb database handling (#458446); worked with thisfred and statik on creation of user CouchDb contacts databases from the web UI if not already there, in the web-creates-missing-contacts-dbs branch (#458446)
[14:04] <teknico> TODO: integrate the client-side code needed by delete buttons on repeatable sections of the contacts edit form (#439093)
[14:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[14:04] <teknico> next: aquarius
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: various small couchish things; test third-level cookies work
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: help thisfred work out why sometimes newly added tokens don't end up in couchdb, causing badarg error responses from u1couch; look at oauth-enabling twisted; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; start work on desktopcouch developer docs
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 0 (!!)
[14:05] <aquarius> urbanape, bring that beat back
[14:05] <urbanape> DONE: Got Bindwood bug #461371 done and out the door.
[14:05] <urbanape> TODO: Hit up some web ui bugs. On-call reviewing.
[14:05] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[14:05] <urbanape> jblount: HAMMERTIME
[14:05] <jblount> DONE: Landed 9 bug branch of copy changes and tweaks, melted brain, resolved home connection issues
[14:05] <jblount> TODO: Sort through bugs to find next actions, setup ie7/8 VMs for the pain of css debugging in those browsers, pat pfibiger on the back during rollout
[14:05] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[14:05] <jblount> CardinalFang: j0!
[14:06] <CardinalFang> DONE: Finished log scanner.  Published branch on LP +junk.  Set up cron.  Thought about cool ideas for Lucid.  /me jumps the gun.
[14:06] <CardinalFang> TODO: Find out about "no-error" error in u1couch.  Eyeball replication to see if it's hung on my machine.
[14:06] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: Nein.
[14:06] <CardinalFang> vds\d, hey
[14:07] <vds1> DONE:proposed branch for #458170 investagated and proposed a branch for upload problems, investigating cookie problems
[14:07] <vds1> TODO: everything is needed for the release ;)
[14:07] <vds1> BLOCKED: nope
[14:07] <vds1> dobey vai!
[14:07] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Better OAuth process errors in client, Fixed #399805 on server
[14:07] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Fix NM dependency, Fix my mail filters
[14:07] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[14:07] <dobey> fin
[14:08] <aquarius> dobey, are you fixing the NM dependency by just saying "if there's no NM, assume they're online", or something cleverer?
[14:09] <jblount> EOM (if you want it)
[14:10] <dobey> aquarius: something like that
[14:33] <rodrigo_> hmm, oh, the standup 1 hour earlier?
[14:33] <rodrigo_> I guess you haven't moved to winter time yet?
[14:34] <jblount> rodrigo_: No, sorry. We talked about it yesterday and came up with the conclusion to stick to UTC. You can paste as you're read though :)
[14:35] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:35] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Fixed removal of CouchDB addressbook UI options (bug #454248). Evo-couchdb bug fixing
[14:35] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Tomboy shouldn't 
[14:35] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[14:36] <rodrigo_> hmm, so, UTC doesn't change, right? I'll be in UTC+1 until spring, right?
[14:37] <dobey> UTC is always UTC, yeah
[14:39] <jblount> rodrigo_: Exactly. Until someone leads us on another path, CardinalFang suggested that and it seems like a pretty reasonable idea.
[14:39] <rodrigo_> it's bad for me though, just in the middle of my cooking/lunching time
[14:39] <rodrigo_> but I guess I can just paste it for someone to paste it at the meeting
[14:40] <rodrigo_> or just leave the food cooking for a minute and come and paste it :D
[14:40] <aquarius> I keep meaning to write an xchat script that does it for me ;)
[14:40] <rodrigo_> aquarius: cool, will help you :)
[14:43] <aquarius> rodrigo_, it does rather defeat the point of a standup, though :)
[14:43] <thisfred>  /makeupshitIdidyesterdayandmakeitsoundgood
[14:43] <rodrigo_> aquarius: heh
[14:44] <dobey> rodrigo_: which bike did you order?
[14:45] <rodrigo_> dobey: yamaha teneré -> http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt660z_tenere_2008.php
[14:46] <dobey> rodrigo_: cool
[14:47] <rodrigo_> yeah, that's why I'm anxious to get it :)
[17:24] <dobey> is anyone in here having issues with the client due to NetworkManager?
[19:09] <CardinalFang> aquarius, thisfred, review?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/log-no-secrets-bug460974/+merge/14047
[19:11] <thisfred> CardinalFang: just saw that, I'm on it!
[19:11] <thisfred> I will proceed, and continue, to rock the mike
[19:13] <thisfred> hehe, I like the HiddenHiddenHidden. On the server I unimaginatively replaced all the secrets with '*****'
[19:14] <thisfred> but then I would have named the branch setec-astronomy ;)
[19:22] <CardinalFang> Good name.
[19:25] <thisfred> you have my +1
[19:25] <thisfred> I have a weakness for Sneakers, even though it's not a particularly good movie
[19:26] <dobey> nay, it is an awesome movie
[19:27] <CardinalFang> It is among the least egregious movies about spies and cracking.
[19:27] <thisfred> ok, what the heck, I'll stop my snobbery. I like that movie, period.
[19:28] <thisfred> maybe netflix has it streaming. I noticed they have Strange Brew. :D
[19:28] <thisfred> Now if only I didn't have to force my wife to boot into windows to watch them...
[19:29] <dobey> thisfred: go buy one of those players that supports netflix
[19:29] <dobey> like the roko box or whatever it is
[19:29] <thisfred> dobey: yeah, I'm thinking about a tivo
[19:29] <dobey> or one of the bluray players
[19:29] <dobey> or a tivo
[19:29] <dobey> i have an xbox 360
[19:29] <dobey> i wish the streaming netflix had better audio though
[19:30] <dobey> all the audio tracks (even for the streaming HD movies) are just stereo :(
[19:30] <dobey> no dolby at all
[19:30] <thisfred> still, I would like netflix streaming to my laptop as well
[19:30] <trothigar> Hi, Is the contact syncing implemented totally now?
[19:31] <dobey> thisfred: yeah. i think i read somewhere that they're working on a solution for linux
[19:31] <thisfred> dobey: I have no problem with that, I am no audiophile and have nothing remotely dolby in my house. The tv has internal speakers, and I have ok speakers on my laptop for music but nothing fancy
[19:32] <dobey> thisfred: well i have a $500 yamaha 7.1 receiver
[19:32] <dobey> so i'd prefer to have some nice sound :)
[19:32] <dobey> especially come friday
[19:32] <thisfred> what's friday?
[19:33] <thisfred> the bon jovi documentary? :P
[19:33] <dobey> house closing
[19:33] <thisfred> oh coool!
[19:33] <thisfred> so it's pretty certain? or could it fall through still?
[19:33] <dobey> == i can actually hear (feel) movies how they were meant to be heard (felt)
[19:34] <thisfred> hehe
[19:34] <dobey> thisfred: i just did the final walkthrough
[19:34] <thisfred> awesome, congrats man
[19:34] <dobey> thanks
[19:35] <dobey> and thankfully i don't have to buy a refridgerator (or a lawnmower!)
[19:38] <thisfred> since it's on the north pole?
[19:43] <dobey> nope, they're leaving the fridge, and a couple lawnmowers
[19:51] <patcito> hi
[19:51] <dobey> hi
[19:51] <patcito> does syncing notes and contacts work with kubuntu and ubuntu one? I mean knotes
[19:52] <dobey> note syncing only works with tomboy (or anything that implements the snowy protocol, but i think that's only tomboy right now)
[19:52] <dobey> i'm not sure what the status of the akonadi desktopcouch connection bits
[19:53] <dobey> rodrigo_: do you know about that?
[19:53] <rtagger> Is there any ticket that complains about Tomboy notes sync being not identical copy (i.e. linefeeds are lost and online version does not support links between notes) ?
[19:53] <patcito> k
[19:56] <dobey> rtagger: not sure. i haven't heard anything about it myself
[19:57] <rtagger> dobey, ok, then I'll prepare a ticket, could not find one in launchpad with various keywords
[19:58] <dobey> thanks
[20:03] <joshuahoover> rtagger: there is a bug for the newlines not saving properly but i don't think there is one for the notes not supporting links
[20:17] <trothigar> dobey, do you know how complete contact syncing is?
[20:17] <dobey> trothigar: afaik it should work fine now. there was a fix that should have gotten pushed to production this morning
[20:20] <trothigar> dobey, hm it still doesn't work for me
[20:21] <dobey> joshuahoover: ^ you know?
[20:21] <joshuahoover> dobey, trothigar: i think we may still be applying the last fix on this...i'm checking
[20:22] <rodrigo_> patcito: akonadi should support contacts in desktopcouch, but not sure about the status, sorry
[20:22] <rodrigo_> patcito: about knotes, AFAIK it does not implement the syncing protocol, so no, it won't work, only tomboy
[20:22] <joshuahoover> dobey, trothigar: we still haven't applied the last fix for contacts sync to work for all users...should be coming shortly
[20:22] <trothigar> joshuahoover, dobey ty
[20:24] <patcito> rodrigo_: ok, thanks for the info, I was hoping to sync my knotes with ubuntuone, I guess I'll have to wait for Lucid Lynx
[20:28]  * rtagger finally got to the point to test data wipe...
[20:28] <rodrigo_> patcito: or use tomboy :-)
[20:28]  * rodrigo_ -> dinner
[20:29] <patcito> rodrigo_: can tomboy import knotes notes?
[20:38] <rtagger> guys, this is really happening
[20:38] <rtagger> just got cancel_download_and_delete_on_server call in syncdaemon.log while trying to sync the test machine
[20:39] <rtagger> this is a follow-up to yesterday's discussion on data wipe
[20:40] <rtagger> I performed the following actions:
[20:46] <rtagger> 1. created many files in u1 folder on computer called buzz. 2. Got all of them synced (totalling 132.5 Mb). 3. Set up a u1-vm machine. 4. Added it as u1 client. 5. Started syncing. 6. Interrupted sync via proper system reboot. 7. logged in back and started syncing again. 8. My web interface has just displayed that I got 131.6 Mb of files.
[20:47] <dobey> rtagger: can you please document that on the bug you filed?
[20:49] <rtagger> dobey, not yet filed, I am trying to get more dramatic results. and check whether it is related to spontaneous process killing or it can be reproduced by shutting down syncdaemon properly
[20:52] <rtagger> dobey, OMG! It does wipe it even when syncdaemon is properly shut down
[20:54] <dobey> rtagger: please file a bug :)
[21:15] <rtagger> dobey, bug #462230
[21:15] <dobey> thanks
[21:16] <rtagger> dobey, If there is anything else I can provide I will be glad to help
[21:17] <dobey> rtagger: not my specific territory, but having it documented in a bug is much better than pasting it in irc, when you know it's a real issue :)
[21:17] <dobey> joshuahoover: ^^ new bug for you to triage :)
[21:18] <joshuahoover> dobey: ah yes
[21:18] <jblount> mattgriffin: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jblount/ubuntuone-servers/oh-hai-mortimer/+merge/14054
[21:18]  * dobey sends jblount down the street
[21:19] <mattgriffin> jblount: i think lp's down right now
[21:20] <joshuahoover> rtagger: thank you for the bug report! this is very helpful as we should be able to reproduce this and then fix it :)
[21:20] <jblount> mattgriffin: Yikes! Are you getting an error or is it just not working there?
[21:22] <rtagger> dobey, yep, I know, it took a while to make my u1 account fresh and brand new, free from any left-overs so when I finally reproduced the problem I decided to run in circles, scream and shout a little bit over IRC before creating a proper trouble ticket :)