pjammerinstall baby00:00
pjammertill i'm a man!00:00
PenguinoDid you download the RC?00:00
pjammerthat's a no jack00:01
PenguinoLol wut XD00:01
pjammersomething called Janty jiving00:01
pjammerjaunty jackalope00:01
pjammersomething like that.00:01
pjammeroh it is jaunty jackalope00:01
pjammerthe dream Penguino if i may call you that, is to get compiz rockin!00:02
pjammerpIII and compiz sweet.00:02
PenguinoJaunty mate?00:03
PenguinoBut Karmic is coming in 3 days00:03
pjammeri have little patience00:03
pjammerKarma Kameleon it should have been called.00:04
pjammermissed opportunity00:04
zyxwvutsrah ha!00:05
zyxwvutsrFreenode has everything00:06
pjammer97%... anticipation00:10
zyxwvutsrhello. I'm trying to get xubuntu 9.04 installed on an old(ish) laptop, a Compaq Armada M300: 256MB RAM, 5GB HDD P3. It hangs at "Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysct1.d/10-network-security.conf) Segmentation fault"00:18
zyxwvutsr"i%p1%dG Segmentation fault"00:18
zyxwvutsrany ideas?00:18
pjammerlol, what a room, me too, but not for the seg fault.. haven't got there yet. and i'm on a presario00:19
steahi, i have a friend's pentium 3 laptop with 128mb ram and 10gb hard drive - she needs to just connect to the net, check e-mail and load up old MS-Word documents and have the abilitiy to create new ones. will xubuntu be the best choice in this situation?00:25
PenguinoYes, but I suggest using OpenOffice instead of Abiword00:26
PenguinoWell, I don't know Abiword00:27
PenguinoI don't know if Abiword supports docx format00:27
steaPenguino - is abiword what comes bundled with xubuntu?00:27
steainstead of openoffice?00:27
steaah i see -00:33
pjammerzyxwvutsr: Seg faults are usually Kernal failures i think00:43
pjammeri fixed my problem... stupid xorg.conf not set right.00:43
pjammeri have to find the right driver for this. i just get a blank xorg.conf.... nothing fancy in it at all.00:44
zyxwvutsryes, well, I wasn't expecting a kernel failure during installation00:46
pjammersometimes it happens. maybe faulty download?00:47
zyxwvutsrprobably not00:48
zyxwvutsrthis is the third or fourth distro I've tried to get on this machine00:49
pjammerPenguino: is there no WPA in this deal?00:49
PenguinoUh, no idea00:49
pjammeri get WEP but no wpa00:50
pjammerok now i go watch madmen. at least it works.00:50
pjammerbefore i go... how do i find out what real driver i should use?00:51
pjammeri'm using VESA to get it going00:51
pjammerit == computer00:51
pjammerug... this trident driver is going to give me the poops01:16
Guest5890bjr a tous02:00
Bwyardi need some help02:42
Bwyardhelp please02:45
Bwyard_hello anyone here02:47
kris_Hi. Is there an lpia install cd for xubuntu. I want to put jaunty on my netbook.03:24
kris_And kde/gnome are too bloated for a netbook, IMHO.03:25
kromaranyone else has the problem that videos and pictures are blue with 9.10?04:50
_Techie_kromar i had the same issue with a persistant USB of 9.0405:03
_Techie_i believe it may have been related to the video card not detecting properly05:03
_Techie_*sigh* why do i never notice them leaving05:04
cdoublejjmy osunds and internet connections are greyed out how do i get it to let me use them07:34
cdoublejjdoes it have any thing to do with auto log in?07:34
cdoublejjplugged in antother card now it works07:35
cdoublejjwill fwcutter work on xubuntu07:49
LinuxShopI want to support thunar from samba protocol08:22
LinuxShopwhich package I install?08:22
LinuxShopsorry for my bad English08:22
ubottufusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network.  Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb08:23
cdoublejjooohh thanks08:25
rich__Thinking of upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10RC. My usual way is apt-get distupgrade, then change jaunty for karmic in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Sound ok?10:08
Sysithat isn't method i've heard10:09
rich__yeah, (k)ubuntu always tells you to use a GUI, but everytime (I've been a user since 2006?) it crashes horribly. I've found apt-get much safer!10:10
Sysibut it can be done differently with apt10:10
rich__Can anyone suggest how to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10 from the commandline?10:11
knome_work!upgrade | rich__10:13
ubotturich__: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading10:13
Sysisudo do-release-upgrade10:14
rich__ubottu: these suggest a GUI: gksudo update-manager -d10:15
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)10:15
knome_workrich__: see Sysi's message10:16
knome_workso are people already waiting for xubuntu 9.10?10:18
knome_workor are you already running karmic?10:18
nicklas_im waiting for kubuntu :-)10:18
knome_worknicklas_: why kubuntu? and why #xubuntu in that case?10:19
nicklas_im actually a xubuntu user, but have discovered that its not for me anymore10:19
nicklas_so im gonna go kubuntu :-P10:19
rich__I've moved from kubuntu (3.x == brilliant && 4.x == awful) to xubuntu. I've been amazed at how good it is. Simple, fast, and surprisingly flexible. thought I'd miss konqueror (but that's gone anyway in kde 4) but thunar's got some good custom tricks10:19
knome_worknicklas_: okay. are you willing to tell me what lead you into that thinking and why you decided kubuntu is for you then`?10:20
knome_workrich__: nice to hear. want to tell me things that you like better in xubuntu?10:20
knome_workrich__: also, if there was something that didn't really work in kubuntu (apart from kde4)10:21
nicklas_flexible, integrated10:21
nicklas_xubuntu just lacks some major features i want10:21
knome_worknicklas_: can you be more verbose on those features?10:21
nicklas_its fast and all, but i dont want it anymore :-P10:22
knome_worknicklas_: also, do you need flexibility in tweaking the looks, the configuration or what?10:22
nicklas_menu editor, dependencies10:22
knome_worknicklas_: and what do you mean with integrated10:22
knome_worknicklas_: yeah, it's a shame xfce 4.8 doesn't have a menu editor. which dependencies are you talking about?10:22
knome_work!hi | cedron10:22
ubottucedron: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!10:22
nicklas_kde, integrated theme and wallpaper10:23
knome_worknicklas_: which xubuntu have you used?10:23
knome_workcedron: ? :)10:23
nicklas_9.04 of course :-)10:23
cedroni switched to xubuntu from other distro because i own p310:24
knome_worknicklas_: okay. 9.10 will look more integrated than 9.04, though i have to admit there is some glitches10:24
knome_workcedron: okay.10:24
cedronis it better to use lxde?10:24
knome_workcedron: it might be a bit faster, but it isn't as featureful10:25
cedrona bit faster only? hmmm10:26
knome_workcedron: well, it depends. i haven't really tested lxde10:26
cedronthey say it's ok to install lxde on top of xubuntu and remove xfce afterwards...10:28
knome_workcedron: it is. you can do that.10:28
cdoublejjis there any way to optimize xubuntu10:31
cedronokay, maybe it's worth testing for other than installing ubuntu distros with packaged lxde10:31
cdoublejjalso is there a way to see if it hasn't found or install a generic driver for hardware componets like the gfx10:32
knome_workcdoublejj: what kind of optimization you mean?10:32
cdoublejji have a laptop with an old s310:32
knome_workcdoublejj: applications -> system -> hardware drivers10:32
cdoublejjthats is10:32
knome_workcedron: yeah, testing is easy10:32
cdoublejjso if i have any probs it'll say driver not found10:33
knome_workcdoublejj: do you have problems?10:33
rich__knome_work: disklikes of kde: too much bloat in name of "integration". I used to love Kmail, but now that's a whole suite of programs (kontact, korganiser...). dolphin sucks: hides the useful information. konqueror (FM) uses dolphin widget so no better. compositor slow. file progress thing quirky/unclear.10:33
knome_workrich__: okay. thanks :)10:33
cdoublejjno i just wondered10:33
knome_workcdoublejj: if you need any propietary drivers, jockey (hardware drivers) will tell you about it10:34
cdoublejji have just done some wine optimization i'm gonna try out some games10:34
knome_workcdoublejj: xfce is kind of optimized already10:34
cdoublejjlast time itried dark stone it ran horribly10:34
cdoublejjand it doesn't take squat to run it10:34
knome_workcdoublejj: i personally don't know about that much, but you could search the forums or google.10:34
cdoublejjso now maybe these wine tricks will help10:34
knome_workcdoublejj: have you checked wine appdb and the games status?10:34
cdoublejjlook what i found10:34
cdoublejji have on older laptop a toshiba 2805-s20210:35
cdoublejjso naturaly i all i could really care about are games like starcraft or fallout10:35
cdoublejjbut, i think it takes some grunt to run starcraft10:35
cdoublejji think windows is faster than linux10:36
knome_workcdoublejj: yes, emulating takes recources10:36
cdoublejjxp would be about equal to ubuntu10:36
cdoublejjwine isn;t an emulator10:36
knome_workcdoublejj: if you would run windows+wine+starcraft, it would be slower than xubuntu+wine+starcraft10:36
cdoublejjthats what wine stands for10:36
knome_workcdoublejj: yes, but it *IS* an emulator10:36
cdoublejjwell they should stop claiming likewise then10:37
knome_workcdoublejj: lame == lame is not an mp3 encoder, but that's what it definitely is10:37
cdoublejjsome times it is better to stick with windows10:37
knome_workcdoublejj: yes, it might be.10:37
cedronyeah sometimes10:37
cdoublejjhell i wonder if should have tried run win 98 with an xp compatibility layer10:38
cedronstick with infections as well XD10:38
cdoublejjthatd be fast10:38
knome_workif you want to play a lot and don't have a powerful machine, you maybe want windows10:38
cdoublejjit's jsut an older laptop10:38
cdoublejji have about 5 toshiba 2800-2805 models10:38
cdoublejji have real quad core for gaming10:38
cdoublejjand a bunch of other computers10:38
cdoublejjand real one with ubuntu too10:39
cdoublejjit has an amd 64 bit cpu10:39
knome_worki only have machines running xubuntu10:39
cdoublejji like windows too10:39
cdoublejjhow ever i have been getting a growing hatred of macs10:39
cdoublejji have used a mac laptop before and liked it10:39
cdoublejjit's their adds on that make me mad10:40
cdoublejjsome chick gives mac her box of stuff10:40
knome_workthere is good things in mac10:40
cdoublejjaftershe switched from windows10:40
knome_workbut also bad things, and i don't really care about apple and their actions10:40
cdoublejjit sohuld have show mac throwing stuff out of the box casue i know for a fact mac can not run .exe10:40
knome_worki also got box from a chic10:41
knome_workoh, wait (!)10:41
cdoublejjdid you get dumped ?10:41
knome_workno, i'm married to her :P10:41
cdoublejjhaha nice!10:41
cdoublejji wish i had a women by my side10:42
knome_workmaybe you will someday :)10:42
cedronoh.. what sober.. :-D10:42
cdoublejjgtk pod is a pain in the but,10:42
cdoublejjbecasue it won't let you browse network shared files10:43
knome_workcdoublejj: hmm.10:43
cdoublejji keep all my files on my windows machine cause i have the most room on it.10:43
knome_workcdoublejj: that's why you should use rockbox on your ipod ;)10:43
cdoublejji'v heard ofthat and ipod linux10:44
knome_worki have installed rockbox on one older ipod10:44
cdoublejjjust thoguht it would be cool to sync music to the pod with linux10:44
cdoublejjcept e mum complains it's to slow10:44
knome_worksome other apps than gtkpod can do that10:44
cdoublejjmight have to let her keep my nice laptop10:44
knome_workyour mum?!10:44
cdoublejjand get mea real laptop10:44
cdoublejjyeah i got an ubuntu power laptop liek the one i've been talking about10:45
cdoublejjmight run xubuntu on it to to speed it up10:45
sally2hi friends10:47
knome_work!hi | sally210:47
ubottusally2: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!10:47
cdoublejjoohhh didn't think about having to find wifi drivers for windows10:47
cdoublejjall i ahve to do is run the ol b43 fwcutter in buntu10:47
knome_workcdoublejj: hehe ;) ubuntu saves you from lot of trouble10:47
cdoublejjyes it does10:47
cdoublejjand no anti virus either10:47
sally2total newbie here....im trying to install Carrier (funpidgin) on ubuntu but i dont know how to install a tar.gz....ive only used the add/remove package manager10:47
sally2i mean xubuntu*10:48
cdoublejji thought tar gz wasl ikea zip and you have to open it10:48
sally2i extracted the tar.gz file...10:48
cdoublejjwell thats all i can offer10:48
sally2im not sure what to do next to actually install the program10:48
knome_worksally2: yeah, it's a source package?10:48
knome_worksally2: you need to open terminal10:48
knome_worksally2: then browse to the directory you unpackaged the stuff10:49
knome_worksally2: then *usually*: ./configure10:49
cdoublejjnow that i think of it linux has come a long ways since a few years ago10:49
knome_worksally2: after that, make, which builds the code10:49
sally2my mistake its actually a tar.bz2 file10:49
cdoublejjyou'd still be hard pressed to run dial up on it thogh like people pc or netzero10:49
knome_worksally2: and after that 'sudo make install', which installs the file in your system10:49
knome_worksally2: doesn't matter.10:49
knome_worksally2: i suppose it's a source packge. bz2/gz are just compression methods10:50
sally2im surprised its this difficult to install a program that isnt in the package manager10:50
ubottuYou can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html10:50
knome_worksally2: you might find a ubuntu package (.deb) for the app10:50
ubottuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)10:50
knome_worksally2: see the last link10:50
cdoublejjyeah sally2 what you have is the code for the program not the installer wich how it is sometimes10:51
sally2you would think Carrier would have instal instructions or something10:51
cdoublejjboy i hope fallout 1 or 2 runs well after this10:51
sally2they are sort of popular10:51
sally2i get the feeling people are just supposed to know how to do it10:51
knome_worksally2: ubuntu of course tries to include anything our users might want to use in the repositories. but it takes work to include those and keep them up to date10:51
sally2ive never used terminal...not sure if i know how to browse to the correct file ! haha10:52
knome_worksally2: there's a bug filed which says carrier should be packaged for ubuntu10:52
sally2thats cool....Carrier is way better than pidigin10:52
knome_worksally2: i use bitlbee for instant messaging.10:53
knome_worksally2: if you unpackaded the files in a directory in your Desktop, then: cd ~/Desktop/dir_in_desktop10:54
sally2i need something that can manage my AIM friends and IRC friends together with tabs...im also looking for a program that has web cam support10:54
knome_worksally2: you need to install the package build-essential to be able to build stuff10:54
sally2i thought i wasnt gonna have to use terminal!!10:55
knome_workbut you need the build-essential pkg10:55
sally2this is 2009!10:55
knome_worksally2: you are trying to install software from sources10:56
knome_worksally2: it's easier than it could be.10:56
cdoublejjwow if did this right i will ahve latest version of wine10:56
sally2i just clicked that last link about compiling software hopefully thatll do the trick10:56
knome_workcdoublejj: :)10:56
cdoublejjand it looks liek the fallout has gone up on compatibility10:56
knome_worksally2: yeah, that should include any information you need10:56
cdoublejjwich means it runs better10:56
knome_workcdoublejj: good to hear. :)10:56
cdoublejjthnk you to killap for releasing those patches10:57
sally2do you think xubuntu runs better than gOS on a low end laptop?10:57
cdoublejjhe hex edited fallout.exe10:57
rich__knome_work: and Sysi: sudo do-release-upgrade says "No new release found"10:57
sally2yeah gos....Green OS....based on linux....it has wine preinstalled....walmart was selling pc's with gOS on em for 200 bucks10:58
knome_workrich__: sudo do-release-upgrade -d10:58
knome_workrich__: 9.10 is released the day after tomorrow, so it's still developmet10:58
knome_worksally2: i don't know gOS. if it's a thin client OS, it's not really comparable10:58
sally2i was wondering how i might go about dual booting xubuntu and gos10:59
knome_worksally2: i don't know if that would be very useful10:59
rich__knome_work: ooh, that's working!10:59
knome_worksally2: from what i looked at gOS, i suppose xubuntu would be faster10:59
knome_workrich__: of course, i'm batman10:59
knome_workoops, i spoiled myself ;P11:00
gRntHi all I have a question I am new to xubuntu (and love it) I am currently using terminal to try and install rtorrent and am getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/302686/ (PS I don't know why its complaing about ssl I have it installed) however I think I need to edit pkg?11:00
gRntI'm still rather new and have been looking at google but its been to no avail.11:01
sally2just get Ktorrent from the package manager11:01
knome_workgRnt: when you compile stuff, you need to have the -dev packages.11:01
knome_worksally2: it would install a *lot* of dependencies in xubuntu11:01
gRntknome, can I simply sudo apt-get install pkg-dev ?11:01
knome_workgRnt: if you only need a simple torrent client, you can use transmission11:01
sally2really?? thats what i did but i still havent even ued it on this computer....11:02
knome_workgRnt: no, i mean openssl-dev11:02
sally2i guess im probably wasting some space11:02
knome_worksally2: yup, probably11:02
knome_worksally2: you should use gtk (or gnome) apps with xubuntu, if possible to avoid masses of dependencies11:02
gRntWell this is more of a learning experience than anything knome_work I also like the look of the wtorrent webui, I need to learn some how as I would like to move to a server install at some point, so far so good its just google sometimes fails me.11:02
knome_work!build | gRnt11:02
ubottugRnt: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)11:02
knome_workgRnt: have you read that package?11:03
gRntno I shall go there now thankyou11:03
knome_workno problem11:03
gRntE: Couldn't find package openssl-dev11:03
gRnt just FYI11:03
cdoublejjsome stuff runs faster in wine that buntu11:03
cdoublejjlike kega emulator runs faster in wine than a native buntu sega emulator11:04
sally2i have another question....i had ubuntu originally....jaunty....and then i ran some command i read online and now when i boot up the laptop i have the option of loading gnome or xfce  windows manager....i always click xfce....and it runs pretty well....but am i getting the real xubuntu experience?11:04
knome_workgRnt: it might be openssl3-dev or something like that. search for it :)11:05
sally2or would it run faster if i got an actual xubuntu cd and installed it from that11:05
knome_worksally2: no, it doesn't affec that much.11:06
knome_worksally2: if you want to remove all the ubuntu (as in ubnutu gnome) stuff, follow this:11:06
knome_work!purexfce | sally211:06
ubottusally2: If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »11:06
sally2i should rpobably do that becuase im on a real low end laptop and ubuntu never ran too smoothly on this11:07
sally2you sure are helpful knome...do you work for ubuntu?11:07
knome_worksally2: yeah, but as i said, it doesn't affect that much.11:07
knome_worksally2: no, i'm not paid, but i am a volunteer and work as the xubuntu marketing lead, currently11:08
sally2how many hours do you volunteer weekly would you say?11:08
knome_worksally2: depends on the week, but up to 40 hours11:08
knome_worksally2: average maybe 7-10 hours per week11:09
sally2thats pretty cool...is your career computer oriented?11:09
knome_worksally2: but of course it's not only just doing that. i might be at irc and give user support, like now, whenever somebody needs it11:10
knome_worksally2: i'm studying social service stuff, but i have an IT company11:10
sally2where you ever a windows user?11:11
knome_workyeah, something like until 5 years ago11:11
knome_worki also have been a DOS user ;)11:12
sally2im 23....been using windows since i was 12....we had macs before that when i was a kid11:12
sally2some time in 2008 i started experimenting with ubuntu11:12
knome_worki'm 23 also, i've been using computer since i was 511:12
sally2my mom was a computer programmer in the 60s....back when an ibm computer was a whole building11:13
sally2so i had computers from the day i was born11:13
sally2she was all about macs though11:13
knome_workhehe, well back then it made a difference whether you had mac or pc11:13
knome_worknow the hardware is basically the same11:13
sally2what country are you in>11:14
sally2hey thats pretty cool....im actually a guy i just thought id get more help if i came in here pretending to be a girl11:14
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knome_workhaha :)11:15
knome_workdoesn't really matter11:15
nickthis is my real name11:15
nickoh someone else already registered the nick "nick"11:15
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cdoublejjhow do you do this in xubuntu11:15
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nick2009so how come youre so into xubuntu over ubuntu? the only reason i came to xubuntu is cause i have weak computers11:16
cdoublejjsame here11:16
knome_worknick2009: right-click on desktop and select desktop properties/settings or something11:16
cdoublejjusing on a weak laptop11:16
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knome_worknick2009: i was first using ubuntu, but gnome was so bloated and kept breaking so i switched to xubuntu11:17
nick2012i hate bloated software11:17
cdoublejji like gnome11:17
knome_worki have a good enough pc, but i still like xubuntu11:17
cdoublejjis not having gnome why xubuntu is faster?11:17
knome_workxfce is more configurable11:17
nick2012yeah dude thats why its faster11:17
knome_workand you can actually be productive11:17
nick2012its that compiz program in ubuntu11:17
knome_workcdoublejj: that's the biggest reason11:18
knome_workcdoublejj: there is also some other app choices that make xubuntu faster11:18
cdoublejjlike flux box?11:18
cdoublejjoh wiat would flux box make xubuntu faster?11:18
nick2012i tell people ubuntu is better for higher end computers....its a modern os like vista....good if you have over 4gigs of memory11:18
nick2012xubuntu is fast but if thats all you care about why dont you use Damn Small Linux knome_work11:19
knome_workcdoublejj: yes, but it has way less features.11:20
knome_worknick2012: the "fastness" doesn't really make so much difference with a fast pc11:20
knome_workcdoublejj: fluxbox doesn't have panels by default, you need to use a paneling software11:21
nick2012whats the best program to use for web chat?11:21
cdoublejjso then you might as well keep what ya have then11:21
nick2012ive read amsn can do web chat11:21
knome_worknick2012: hmm?11:21
knome_workright.. i don't really know11:21
knome_worki use webchat with whatever browser i have11:21
knome_worki usually irc with irssi which i run on a server11:21
knome_work== knome11:21
knome_workbut i can't access that now11:22
nick2012can you do web chat over irc?11:22
gRntknome_work, seems I needed two dev packages, guess I might have to write them down if I want to move to a server install though haha....configure and make done! on we go11:22
nick2012my girlfriend wants to have web chats with her friends on yahoo and msn11:22
knome_workgRnt: great to hear:) good luck11:22
knome_worknick2012: right, you mean instant messaging11:22
knome_worknick2012: i think pidgin is quite good for that, if you need a gui11:22
nick2012oh yeah not web chat i m ean video chat11:23
nick2012i dont know why i said that11:23
knome_workahh, video chat11:23
knome_worki think amsn is the only one supporting video chat on linux atm11:23
nick2012what if i install yahoo messenger under wine?11:23
nick2012will its video chat work?11:23
knome_worknick2012: i suppose that would work as well11:23
knome_worki need to go now11:23
nick2012it wouldntneed drivers or something installed?11:23
knome_worksee you later!11:23
nick2012ok man thanks for the help11:24
nick2012i got like 50 questions answered out of that guy11:24
nick2012pretty cool11:24
rich__max resolution dropped to 1280x1024 (was 1600x1200) since upgrade to 9.10 RC1. Any ideas?13:06
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rich__max resolution dropped to 1280x1024 (was 1600x1200) since upgrade to 9.10 RC1. Any ideas?14:44
likemindeadTry "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" rich__14:51
likemindeadOh, and add a sudo to that. ;-)14:52
rich__likeminded: did nothing. I'll restart and see if it just magically fixed it...14:58
likemindeadYes, you have to reboot.14:59
likemindeadOr restart X, anyhow.14:59
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goobergood morning (or whatever it is where you are) - I'm having some trouble with a new Xubuntu installation and would like some help, please...15:21
gooberthe installation goes off with no trouble, but as soon as I run the updates, the next bootup ends with a blank screen and a cursor - no icons, no toolbars, no background...15:23
gooberI had installed Xubuntu on this same machine before, and it updated with no problems, but I was reinstalling everything so that I could give the computer away15:23
gooberany ideas?  Thanks15:24
gooberalso, I'm pretty mucha  noob15:24
TheSheepgoober: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'15:25
juggleHi ... i'm a newbie in c++ ...can the 'for' loop be used with string in c++?,if yes...What's the c++ version of the following python loop http://dpaste.com/112676/15:25
gooberwriting this down - I'm typing from a live CD on same machine because I couldn't boot15:26
gooberthanks, TheSheep - what next?15:27
TheSheepjuggle: maybe ask on a c++ channel?15:28
juggleTheSheep,ok..i have resolved the problem ..thx15:31
gooberTheSheep:  were there any steps to follow, or will that command either bring up a desktop or get me to an obvious place to resolve it?15:35
gooberI'll have to reboot to try it15:36
gooberlooks like you stepped away.  I'll reboot and see what that command get me - thanks, TheSheep15:42
rich__likeminded: hmm, just the same...15:48
gooberTheSheep: back at my installed desktop, thanks!  Is "xfce4-panel" something other than the default desktop environment?  I don't seem able to change the wallpaper, etc.  If not, what command will get me back to the default so I can see if that works now? thanks16:09
nicklas_soon time18:20
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charlie-tcaAnyone testing the release images, new images are available now for xubuntu18:48
mandrewhello ppl does xubuntu 9.10 have the same hardware suport as ubuntu 9.10?19:47
nicklas_you mean 9.04 ?19:48
nicklas_forget it19:48
nicklas_i read wrong19:48
mandrewhehe np19:49
nicklas_what kind of hardware you mean?19:49
nicklas_it uses the same network manager right?19:49
mandrewi have 2 netbooks and i tried xubuntu and now ubuntu but i cant get the w-an to work19:49
mandrewi have upgraded the beta on one netbook and the w-lan just works out of the box19:50
mandrewthe ubuntu 9.10 beta19:50
nicklas_mandrew: they have probably updated it so it works in 9.1019:51
mandrewupgarded from beta 419:51
nicklas_mandrew: so then all is good right?19:51
mandrewno now on the netbook i installed it on now19:51
mandrewit just dont work19:51
mandrewcant even see the w-lan card :(19:52
nicklas_that might now be because of ubuntu, the hardware may be different19:52
mandrewi love how trhe new xubuntu looks19:56
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mandrewanyone thats know anything about compaq mini 730e?19:59
rrmmmandrew~ I had something similiar, buntu would automaticly see my phone as a modem but then it stopped all of a sudden, thought it was an upgrade but windows doesn't see it either20:04
rrmmok not similiar at really20:04
mandrewi just want this crap machine to work lol20:04
rrmmguess that hardware may be faulty sometimes?20:05
mandrewdont know20:05
mandrewwho do i list the hardware in the terminal?20:05
mandrewim a noob at ubuntu20:05
rrmmhow you mean?20:05
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rrmmPenguino~ LOVE the name20:07
mandrewrrmm how do i find the w-lan in the terminal?20:11
Penguinorrmm: Heh, thanks :D20:12
rrmmmine waws found in lshe20:14
rrmmi mean lshw20:15
mandrewit could be a broadcom or a msi20:18
mandrewvendor marvell technology group Ltd20:18
rrmmmsi is a maker of books I think20:18
rrmmbooks as in computers rofl20:19
rrmmwait msi is m/b producer20:19
rrmmok off to go visit grandma, good luck w/ your networks20:19
rrmmmainboard, motherboard20:19
mandrewok tnx20:19
seek3rhello. quick question. Anybody know the system requirements for xubuntu. specifically, what I really wanna know is is there a version i can run on a system with only 64 megs of ram?21:16
charlie-tca64 MB is not going to work21:16
Sysilubuntu might work21:16
charlie-tcaThe GUI won't run21:16
Sysior what it was21:16
seek3rI thought as much. i was kind of hoping an earlier version, with the alternate installer might do it.21:17
Sysixubuntu don't work very propably21:17
seek3rlubuntu? whats that/21:17
Sysiwith lxde21:17
Sysivery lightweight but pretty good21:17
charlie-tcaThe earliest version was 6.06, but it needed 128MB, as far as I recall21:17
Sysior crungchbang21:17
charlie-tcaPuppy linux would work21:17
charlie-tcacrunchbang should21:18
Sysimerely lubuntu21:18
seek3rpuppy? think I could squeeze a gui into that as well?21:18
seek3rsetting up old system for kids, they wouldnt do well with CLI only.21:18
Sysicrunchbang propably would do21:19
charlie-tcaThey were playing with 64MB with a gui, I think21:19
seek3rwell, yeah, i did win98 and win95 with that, but was wanting linux to avoid all the malware issues that are sure to pop up.21:20
seek3r(also dont have a legal install for those either)21:20
Sysithat's pretty good and lightweight21:21
charlie-tcatake a look at lubuntu21:21
Sysii had it for a while21:21
charlie-tcaand they will have some other ideas, too21:21
seek3rI am looking at it now..21:22
seek3rwith 64 megs, it will have to be featherweight. :)21:23
Sysiit flew with 512 :P21:23
seek3rI wish I had that for this, but all i got on hand that will fit the machine is a single 64meg stick :(21:26
seek3rwasnt trying to spend any on this project. tryin to clean out my junk bins, ya know. :)21:26
Sysithat should work, it isn't lot added to openbox21:27
Sysians it runs on very little21:27
seek3rI guess I am gonna try lxde on a debian core. Think I will stick it in a virtual machine with 64 megs first, see what happens.21:30
Sysiif i remember right, my friens have openbox with 32meg21:31
Sysiworks pretty well21:31
Sysiit is rough21:35
Sysibut it should run21:35
Sysiapps just are different..21:35
seek3ryeah, I expect it to be rough, at the very least.21:37
Bwyardcan someone help me21:37
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Bwyardwell somehow i managd to turn off my wireless in xubuntu21:38
Bwyardand well im not good enough with terminals to get it working21:39
Bwyardi installed something call wicd21:39
Bwyardthen i uninstalled it and now i network manager doesnt start up any more21:39
Bwyardso basically i need to know how to setup wireless in the terminal21:41
ubottuWireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs21:42
charlie-tcaI don't know enough myself, but that might help you21:42
Bwyardwell i tried using the manuals that come with xubuntu but one of the command sis missing i think21:43
knomeBwyard, alt+f2 -> nm-applet21:43
Bwyardso thats all i have to do21:43
Bwyardthank you i will try it right now21:43
knomeBwyard, that will start up network manager, if it's installed21:43
* charlie-tca waves at knome 21:44
knomehello charlie-tca :)21:44
charlie-tcatesting again21:44
* charlie-tca is not sure him quitting is a good sign ...21:45
Sysimaybe he don't have multitasking21:45
Sysithat exist surprisingly often..21:46
charlie-tcait's true. I haven't had a chance to test karmic on the PII yet.21:47
knomecharlie-tca, i've been running karmic on my production machine since beta21:47
charlie-tcaIt has issues with tasking in general sometimes21:47
charlie-tcaI ran it since alpha221:48
knomeyeah, you're mad ;)21:48
charlie-tcabut then again, I had to reinstall twice21:48
charlie-tcaI think I called it "fun"21:48
knomei'm still on an installation of 6.06 (iirc) with all upgrades to karmic21:48
charlie-tcaI have my 6.06 upgraded to 8.04 server here. I upgraded it direct, and will upgrade to 10.04 next21:49
knomecharlie-tca, that eek was quite mouseish :)21:49
charlie-tcathen I will probably have to clean it up with a fresh install21:50
charlie-tcaYeah, it's just a little scary to think about all those upgrades.21:50
knomei've broken my system badly in one upgrade and a few times with something else than upgrades21:50
knomebut been able to fix it21:50
charlie-tcaI broke karmic bad, enough to reinstall it on this machine. At least I had /home backed up21:51
charlie-tcaTeach me to put alpha versions on the machine I depend on all the time21:52
charlie-tcaOh, no it didn't. I had to reinstall twice because i broke it again21:53
Sysii started from beta21:54
Sysistill works \o/21:54
charlie-tcabeta is much safer.21:54
Sysii need that netbook for schoolwork21:55
charlie-tcaI would NOT recommend starting from any alpha version if you really need the machine21:55
charlie-tcaOTOH, I do have 4 systems here.21:55
knomecharlie-tca, OTOH, shops are usually open 7 days a week ;)21:55
Sysii have 4 too :)21:56
charlie-tcaTrue, also21:56
charlie-tcaI just keep things backed up on another system21:56
charlie-tcaexept that airplane ticket information21:56
Sysibut when i uodate this i need external drive21:56
Bwyardit was nm -applet right?21:57
Bwyardwell that didnt work21:57
Sysiwith space?21:57
Sysiit won't21:57
Bwyardwith and without21:58
charlie-tcaProbably got uninstalled when wicd installed21:59
Bwyardwhat was the site that i was given with the documentation on wireless21:59
ubottuWireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs21:59
Bwyardwell how do i reinstall it21:59
Bwyardok i think i found the install file22:02
Bwyardis this it22:02
charlie-tcasudo apt-get network-manager22:03
Bwyardonly problem with that is i dont have interent22:03
charlie-tcasudo apt-get network-manager-gnome22:03
Bwyardb/c i dont have an internet manager22:03
Bwyardmy internet doesnt work in xubuntu once i uninstalled wice22:03
Bwyardonly in vista22:03
Bwyardwhich is what im using right now22:04
Bwyardwell imma gonna try this22:04
Bwyardif it doesnt work ill be back22:04
Bwyardthank you btw22:04
charlie-tcaI don't know if the NetworkManager from gnome.org will include both files22:04
charlie-tcatry it22:05
Bwyardok ill try it22:05
Bwyardwait what do u mena two files22:05
charlie-tcaYou need network-manager and network-manager-gnome22:05
Bwyardoh ok well i will see what happens22:05
ochosi hi everyone. i'm using xfce4.6.1 with a vertical panel and i'm wondering whether there's a way to remove the 5px empty border around my orage-clock. anyone here who knows something about this? here's a screenshot to illustrate what i'm talking about: http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7483/oragepanel.png22:13
charlie-tcaIf that is the orage clock, right click and unclick "show frame" ?22:15
Bwyardit didnt work but thats because i dont have network-tools installed22:18
Bwyardit popped up with an error saying it wanst installed when i tried to install network manager22:18
charlie-tcaochosi: sorry, right-click, left-click properties, unclick "show frame" ?22:19
charlie-tcaBwyard: no more ideas22:20
ochosicharlie-tca, unfortunately not... the funny thing is that neither the frame nor the "set width" option makes any difference22:21
Bwyardwell thanks anyways22:22
charlie-tcamake sure set width has a check mark. I screwed that up once.22:22
charlie-tcaalso, if the font is too big, it ignores me22:22
ochosihm, well, yes, the set width checkbox is checked. font size also doesn't seem to make a difference...22:23
charlie-tcaAsk in #xfce?22:24
mandrewi would like to thank all good people here who helped me today22:30
knomemandrew, for all the people; no problem. we hope you enjoy xubuntu22:31
mandrewthe new xubuntu 9.10 rc is realy nice looking22:32
knomemandrew, good to hear22:32
mandrewto bad i have a broadcom w-lan card22:32
mandrewi got help to set it up but under ubuntu 9.10 rc and now its working so i have to stick with the ubuntu cuz i dont think i can set it up again on my own22:35
knomemandrew, you can install the package xubuntu-desktop and then use xfce22:37
mandrewit would be nice it canonical could get broadcom w-lan cards set up to work out of the box but hey i got a OS for free thats a miracle22:37
mandrewok how do i do that?22:37
knomego to synaptic and select+install 'xubuntu-desktop'22:38
knomeor run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' from terminal22:38
mandrewis it that easy?22:38
knomethen when you get to the login screen, select xfce session instead of gnome session22:38
knomeyes, it is22:38
mandrewit brings tears to my eyes22:38
mandrewman do i love this OS22:39
mandrewi dont understand why no one told me about this before if i only had known i would never spent all these years with windows22:40
knomelinux has come a long way in the last years22:41
mandrewi have no log in window how do a change that?22:43
charlie-tcaHit enter22:44
charlie-tcaIt'll ask for passwors22:44
mandrewon boot up?22:44
charlie-tcaIt should be a screen with a name on it22:44
knomecharlie-tca, i think he means he has autologin, thus no gdm showing up22:44
mandrewi have set it up to log me in with no password :P22:45
charlie-tcaI can't find how to auto-login with upstart22:45
mandrewits when you install it22:45
charlie-tcaI don't want it then. I want to tturn it off and on22:46
knomemandrew, i think you need to run 'sudo gdmsetup' and change that setting for a while, then log out and select xfce session from gdm22:47
mandrewok or mabye log in and out would fix that22:48
mandrewthen i get that window22:48
mandrewi found how to solve the problem22:49
knomemandrew, great22:49
mandrewits in /sys/admin/ logg inscreen22:50
mandrewor some like it cuz i dont have english as main language22:50
mandrewlove it22:52
mandrewthank you22:53
mandrewso i can do this with kubuntu, gobuntu etc etc22:53
mandrewand get them desktops too?22:54
knomemandrew, kubuntu-desktop, i don't know about gobuntu22:57
mandrewthat is so cool22:58
mandrewlove it this is so sweeeeet23:00
Bwyardhwo do i eject a cd in xubuntu it wont let me23:00
BwyardFailed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD__RW_GSA_T40N".23:01
knomeBwyard, try 'eject -T' from terminal23:01
knomemandrew, :)23:01
BwyardGiven device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD__RW_GSA_T40N" is not a volume or drive.23:01
Bwyardit worked when i did sudo23:02
Bwyardanybody can help me with fluxbox23:06
knome!fluxbox | Bwyard23:07
ubottuBwyard: fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox23:07
Sysihmm, is there #fluxubuntu ?23:07
knomeSysi, that would be fluxbuntu, but i don't know if they have an irc channel23:07
ubottufluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/23:08
Sysithey should23:08
knomeyeah, and i should have infinite free beer23:08
Sysibut that's the great truth of ubottu :)23:09
mandrewok good night ppl of the free OS :P23:09
knomenight mandrew23:09
Sysihmm, from neighbour country23:11
ron_ois it me or is xubuntu really been extra stable lately?23:51

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