[00:00] <pjammer> install baby
[00:00] <pjammer> till i'm a man!
[00:00] <Penguino> :D
[00:00] <Penguino> Did you download the RC?
[00:01] <pjammer> ?
[00:01] <pjammer> that's a no jack
[00:01] <Penguino> Lol wut XD
[00:01] <pjammer> something called Janty jiving
[00:01] <pjammer> jaunty jackalope
[00:01] <pjammer> something like that.
[00:01] <pjammer> oh it is jaunty jackalope
[00:02] <pjammer> the dream Penguino if i may call you that, is to get compiz rockin!
[00:02] <pjammer> pIII and compiz sweet.
[00:03] <Penguino> :D
[00:03] <Penguino> Jaunty mate?
[00:03] <Penguino> But Karmic is coming in 3 days
[00:03] <pjammer> i have little patience
[00:04] <pjammer> Karma Kameleon it should have been called.
[00:04] <pjammer> missed opportunity
[00:04] <pjammer> imb
[00:05] <pjammer> 67%
[00:05] <zyxwvutsr> ah ha!
[00:06] <zyxwvutsr> Freenode has everything
[00:08] <pjammer> 80%
[00:10] <pjammer> 97%... anticipation
[00:18] <zyxwvutsr> hello. I'm trying to get xubuntu 9.04 installed on an old(ish) laptop, a Compaq Armada M300: 256MB RAM, 5GB HDD P3. It hangs at "Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysct1.d/10-network-security.conf) Segmentation fault"
[00:18] <zyxwvutsr> "i%p1%dG Segmentation fault"
[00:18] <zyxwvutsr> any ideas?
[00:19] <pjammer> lol, what a room, me too, but not for the seg fault.. haven't got there yet. and i'm on a presario
[00:24] <zyxwvutsr> helloooooooooooooooooooo...........
[00:25] <stea> hi, i have a friend's pentium 3 laptop with 128mb ram and 10gb hard drive - she needs to just connect to the net, check e-mail and load up old MS-Word documents and have the abilitiy to create new ones. will xubuntu be the best choice in this situation?
[00:26] <Penguino> Yes, but I suggest using OpenOffice instead of Abiword
[00:27] <Penguino> Well, I don't know Abiword
[00:27] <Penguino> I don't know if Abiword supports docx format
[00:27] <stea> Penguino - is abiword what comes bundled with xubuntu?
[00:27] <stea> instead of openoffice?
[00:27] <Penguino> Yes
[00:33] <stea> ah i see -
[00:43] <pjammer> zyxwvutsr: Seg faults are usually Kernal failures i think
[00:43] <pjammer> i fixed my problem... stupid xorg.conf not set right.
[00:44] <pjammer> i have to find the right driver for this. i just get a blank xorg.conf.... nothing fancy in it at all.
[00:46] <zyxwvutsr> yes, well, I wasn't expecting a kernel failure during installation
[00:47] <pjammer> sometimes it happens. maybe faulty download?
[00:48] <zyxwvutsr> probably not
[00:49] <zyxwvutsr> this is the third or fourth distro I've tried to get on this machine
[00:49] <pjammer> weird.
[00:49] <pjammer> Penguino: is there no WPA in this deal?
[00:49] <Penguino> Uh, no idea
[00:50] <pjammer> i get WEP but no wpa
[00:50] <pjammer> odd.
[00:50] <pjammer> ok now i go watch madmen. at least it works.
[00:51] <pjammer> before i go... how do i find out what real driver i should use?
[00:51] <pjammer> i'm using VESA to get it going
[00:51] <pjammer> it == computer
[01:16] <pjammer> ug... this trident driver is going to give me the poops
[02:00] <Guest5890> bjr a tous
[02:40] <Bwyard> hello
[02:42] <Bwyard> i need some help
[02:45] <Bwyard> help please
[02:47] <Bwyard_> hello anyone here
[03:24] <kris_> Hi. Is there an lpia install cd for xubuntu. I want to put jaunty on my netbook.
[03:25] <kris_> And kde/gnome are too bloated for a netbook, IMHO.
[04:50] <kromar> anyone else has the problem that videos and pictures are blue with 9.10?
[05:03] <_Techie_> kromar i had the same issue with a persistant USB of 9.04
[05:03] <_Techie_> i believe it may have been related to the video card not detecting properly
[05:04] <_Techie_> *sigh* why do i never notice them leaving
[07:33] <cdoublejj> oh
[07:34] <cdoublejj> my osunds and internet connections are greyed out how do i get it to let me use them
[07:34] <cdoublejj> does it have any thing to do with auto log in?
[07:35] <cdoublejj> wtf
[07:35] <cdoublejj> plugged in antother card now it works
[07:49] <cdoublejj> will fwcutter work on xubuntu
[08:21] <LinuxShop> Hello
[08:22] <LinuxShop> I want to support thunar from samba protocol
[08:22] <LinuxShop> which package I install?
[08:22] <LinuxShop> sorry for my bad English
[08:23] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[08:25] <cdoublejj> ooohh thanks
[08:30] <LinuxShop> thanks
[10:08] <rich__> Thinking of upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10RC. My usual way is apt-get distupgrade, then change jaunty for karmic in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Sound ok?
[10:09] <Sysi> that isn't method i've heard
[10:10] <rich__> yeah, (k)ubuntu always tells you to use a GUI, but everytime (I've been a user since 2006?) it crashes horribly. I've found apt-get much safer!
[10:10] <Sysi> but it can be done differently with apt
[10:11] <rich__> Can anyone suggest how to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10 from the commandline?
[10:13] <knome_work> !upgrade | rich__
[10:14] <Sysi> sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:15] <rich__> ubottu: these suggest a GUI: gksudo update-manager -d
[10:16] <rich__> genius!
[10:16] <knome_work> rich__: see Sysi's message
[10:18] <knome_work> so are people already waiting for xubuntu 9.10?
[10:18] <knome_work> or are you already running karmic?
[10:18] <nicklas_> im waiting for kubuntu :-)
[10:19] <knome_work> nicklas_: why kubuntu? and why #xubuntu in that case?
[10:19] <nicklas_> im actually a xubuntu user, but have discovered that its not for me anymore
[10:19] <nicklas_> so im gonna go kubuntu :-P
[10:19] <rich__> I've moved from kubuntu (3.x == brilliant && 4.x == awful) to xubuntu. I've been amazed at how good it is. Simple, fast, and surprisingly flexible. thought I'd miss konqueror (but that's gone anyway in kde 4) but thunar's got some good custom tricks
[10:20] <knome_work> nicklas_: okay. are you willing to tell me what lead you into that thinking and why you decided kubuntu is for you then`?
[10:20] <knome_work> rich__: nice to hear. want to tell me things that you like better in xubuntu?
[10:21] <knome_work> rich__: also, if there was something that didn't really work in kubuntu (apart from kde4)
[10:21] <nicklas_> flexible, integrated
[10:21] <nicklas_> xubuntu just lacks some major features i want
[10:21] <knome_work> nicklas_: can you be more verbose on those features?
[10:22] <nicklas_> its fast and all, but i dont want it anymore :-P
[10:22] <knome_work> nicklas_: also, do you need flexibility in tweaking the looks, the configuration or what?
[10:22] <nicklas_> menu editor, dependencies
[10:22] <knome_work> nicklas_: and what do you mean with integrated
[10:22] <cedron> hello
[10:22] <knome_work> nicklas_: yeah, it's a shame xfce 4.8 doesn't have a menu editor. which dependencies are you talking about?
[10:22] <knome_work> !hi | cedron
[10:23] <nicklas_> kde, integrated theme and wallpaper
[10:23] <knome_work> nicklas_: which xubuntu have you used?
[10:23] <cedron> hmmm
[10:23] <knome_work> cedron: ? :)
[10:23] <nicklas_> 9.04 of course :-)
[10:24] <cedron> i switched to xubuntu from other distro because i own p3
[10:24] <knome_work> nicklas_: okay. 9.10 will look more integrated than 9.04, though i have to admit there is some glitches
[10:24] <knome_work> cedron: okay.
[10:24] <cedron> is it better to use lxde?
[10:25] <knome_work> cedron: it might be a bit faster, but it isn't as featureful
[10:26] <cedron> a bit faster only? hmmm
[10:26] <knome_work> cedron: well, it depends. i haven't really tested lxde
[10:28] <cedron> they say it's ok to install lxde on top of xubuntu and remove xfce afterwards...
[10:28] <knome_work> cedron: it is. you can do that.
[10:31] <cdoublejj> is there any way to optimize xubuntu
[10:31] <cedron> okay, maybe it's worth testing for other than installing ubuntu distros with packaged lxde
[10:32] <cdoublejj> also is there a way to see if it hasn't found or install a generic driver for hardware componets like the gfx
[10:32] <knome_work> cdoublejj: what kind of optimization you mean?
[10:32] <cdoublejj> i have a laptop with an old s3
[10:32] <cdoublejj> speed
[10:32] <knome_work> cdoublejj: applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[10:32] <cdoublejj> thats is
[10:32] <knome_work> cedron: yeah, testing is easy
[10:33] <cdoublejj> so if i have any probs it'll say driver not found
[10:33] <knome_work> cdoublejj: do you have problems?
[10:33] <rich__> knome_work: disklikes of kde: too much bloat in name of "integration". I used to love Kmail, but now that's a whole suite of programs (kontact, korganiser...). dolphin sucks: hides the useful information. konqueror (FM) uses dolphin widget so no better. compositor slow. file progress thing quirky/unclear.
[10:33] <knome_work> rich__: okay. thanks :)
[10:33] <cdoublejj> no i just wondered
[10:34] <knome_work> cdoublejj: if you need any propietary drivers, jockey (hardware drivers) will tell you about it
[10:34] <cdoublejj> i have just done some wine optimization i'm gonna try out some games
[10:34] <knome_work> cdoublejj: xfce is kind of optimized already
[10:34] <cdoublejj> last time itried dark stone it ran horribly
[10:34] <cdoublejj> and it doesn't take squat to run it
[10:34] <knome_work> cdoublejj: i personally don't know about that much, but you could search the forums or google.
[10:34] <cdoublejj> so now maybe these wine tricks will help
[10:34] <knome_work> cdoublejj: have you checked wine appdb and the games status?
[10:34] <cdoublejj> look what i found
[10:35] <cdoublejj> http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/504370-how-linux-gaming-explained.html#post6182623
[10:35] <cdoublejj> i have on older laptop a toshiba 2805-s202
[10:35] <cdoublejj> so naturaly i all i could really care about are games like starcraft or fallout
[10:35] <cdoublejj> but, i think it takes some grunt to run starcraft
[10:36] <cdoublejj> i think windows is faster than linux
[10:36] <knome_work> cdoublejj: yes, emulating takes recources
[10:36] <cdoublejj> xp would be about equal to ubuntu
[10:36] <cdoublejj> wine isn;t an emulator
[10:36] <knome_work> cdoublejj: if you would run windows+wine+starcraft, it would be slower than xubuntu+wine+starcraft
[10:36] <cdoublejj> thats what wine stands for
[10:36] <knome_work> cdoublejj: yes, but it *IS* an emulator
[10:36] <cdoublejj> true
[10:37] <cdoublejj> well they should stop claiming likewise then
[10:37] <knome_work> cdoublejj: lame == lame is not an mp3 encoder, but that's what it definitely is
[10:37] <cdoublejj> some times it is better to stick with windows
[10:37] <knome_work> cdoublejj: yes, it might be.
[10:37] <cedron> yeah sometimes
[10:38] <cdoublejj> hell i wonder if should have tried run win 98 with an xp compatibility layer
[10:38] <cedron> stick with infections as well XD
[10:38] <cdoublejj> thatd be fast
[10:38] <knome_work> if you want to play a lot and don't have a powerful machine, you maybe want windows
[10:38] <cdoublejj> it's jsut an older laptop
[10:38] <knome_work> yeah.
[10:38] <cdoublejj> i have about 5 toshiba 2800-2805 models
[10:38] <cdoublejj> i have real quad core for gaming
[10:38] <cdoublejj> and a bunch of other computers
[10:38] <knome_work> :)
[10:39] <knome_work> yup
[10:39] <cdoublejj> and real one with ubuntu too
[10:39] <cdoublejj> it has an amd 64 bit cpu
[10:39] <knome_work> i only have machines running xubuntu
[10:39] <cdoublejj> i like windows too
[10:39] <cdoublejj> how ever i have been getting a growing hatred of macs
[10:39] <knome_work> hmm.
[10:39] <cdoublejj> i have used a mac laptop before and liked it
[10:40] <cdoublejj> it's their adds on that make me mad
[10:40] <cdoublejj> some chick gives mac her box of stuff
[10:40] <knome_work> there is good things in mac
[10:40] <cdoublejj> aftershe switched from windows
[10:40] <knome_work> but also bad things, and i don't really care about apple and their actions
[10:40] <cdoublejj> it sohuld have show mac throwing stuff out of the box casue i know for a fact mac can not run .exe
[10:41] <knome_work> i also got box from a chic
[10:41] <knome_work> oh, wait (!)
[10:41] <knome_work> ;)
[10:41] <cdoublejj> aaaw
[10:41] <cdoublejj> did you get dumped ?
[10:41] <knome_work> no, i'm married to her :P
[10:41] <cdoublejj> haha nice!
[10:42] <cdoublejj> i wish i had a women by my side
[10:42] <knome_work> maybe you will someday :)
[10:42] <cedron> oh.. what sober.. :-D
[10:42] <cdoublejj> gtk pod is a pain in the but,
[10:43] <cdoublejj> becasue it won't let you browse network shared files
[10:43] <knome_work> cdoublejj: hmm.
[10:43] <cdoublejj> i keep all my files on my windows machine cause i have the most room on it.
[10:43] <knome_work> cdoublejj: that's why you should use rockbox on your ipod ;)
[10:44] <cdoublejj> i'v heard ofthat and ipod linux
[10:44] <knome_work> i have installed rockbox on one older ipod
[10:44] <cdoublejj> just thoguht it would be cool to sync music to the pod with linux
[10:44] <cdoublejj> cept e mum complains it's to slow
[10:44] <knome_work> some other apps than gtkpod can do that
[10:44] <cdoublejj> might have to let her keep my nice laptop
[10:44] <knome_work> your mum?!
[10:44] <cdoublejj> and get mea real laptop
[10:45] <cdoublejj> yeah i got an ubuntu power laptop liek the one i've been talking about
[10:45] <cdoublejj> might run xubuntu on it to to speed it up
[10:45] <knome_work> mmh
[10:47] <sally2> hi friends
[10:47] <knome_work> !hi | sally2
[10:47] <cdoublejj> oohhh didn't think about having to find wifi drivers for windows
[10:47] <cdoublejj> all i ahve to do is run the ol b43 fwcutter in buntu
[10:47] <knome_work> cdoublejj: hehe ;) ubuntu saves you from lot of trouble
[10:47] <cdoublejj> yes it does
[10:47] <cdoublejj> and no anti virus either
[10:47] <sally2> total newbie here....im trying to install Carrier (funpidgin) on ubuntu but i dont know how to install a tar.gz....ive only used the add/remove package manager
[10:48] <sally2> i mean xubuntu*
[10:48] <cdoublejj> i thought tar gz wasl ikea zip and you have to open it
[10:48] <sally2> i extracted the tar.gz file...
[10:48] <cdoublejj> oh
[10:48] <cdoublejj> well thats all i can offer
[10:48] <sally2> im not sure what to do next to actually install the program
[10:48] <knome_work> sally2: yeah, it's a source package?
[10:48] <knome_work> sally2: you need to open terminal
[10:49] <knome_work> sally2: then browse to the directory you unpackaged the stuff
[10:49] <knome_work> sally2: then *usually*: ./configure
[10:49] <cdoublejj> now that i think of it linux has come a long ways since a few years ago
[10:49] <knome_work> sally2: after that, make, which builds the code
[10:49] <sally2> my mistake its actually a tar.bz2 file
[10:49] <cdoublejj> you'd still be hard pressed to run dial up on it thogh like people pc or netzero
[10:49] <knome_work> sally2: and after that 'sudo make install', which installs the file in your system
[10:49] <knome_work> sally2: doesn't matter.
[10:50] <knome_work> sally2: i suppose it's a source packge. bz2/gz are just compression methods
[10:50] <sally2> im surprised its this difficult to install a program that isnt in the package manager
[10:50] <knome_work> !source
[10:50] <knome_work> sally2: you might find a ubuntu package (.deb) for the app
[10:50] <knome_work> !build
[10:50] <knome_work> sally2: see the last link
[10:50] <sally2> ok
[10:51] <cdoublejj> yeah sally2 what you have is the code for the program not the installer wich how it is sometimes
[10:51] <sally2> you would think Carrier would have instal instructions or something
[10:51] <cdoublejj> boy i hope fallout 1 or 2 runs well after this
[10:51] <sally2> they are sort of popular
[10:51] <sally2> i get the feeling people are just supposed to know how to do it
[10:51] <knome_work> sally2: ubuntu of course tries to include anything our users might want to use in the repositories. but it takes work to include those and keep them up to date
[10:52] <sally2> ive never used terminal...not sure if i know how to browse to the correct file ! haha
[10:52] <knome_work> sally2: there's a bug filed which says carrier should be packaged for ubuntu
[10:52] <sally2> thats cool....Carrier is way better than pidigin
[10:53] <knome_work> sally2: i use bitlbee for instant messaging.
[10:54] <knome_work> sally2: if you unpackaded the files in a directory in your Desktop, then: cd ~/Desktop/dir_in_desktop
[10:54] <sally2> i need something that can manage my AIM friends and IRC friends together with tabs...im also looking for a program that has web cam support
[10:54] <knome_work> sally2: you need to install the package build-essential to be able to build stuff
[10:55] <sally2> i thought i wasnt gonna have to use terminal!!
[10:55] <knome_work> yes.
[10:55] <knome_work> but you need the build-essential pkg
[10:55] <sally2> this is 2009!
[10:56] <knome_work> sally2: you are trying to install software from sources
[10:56] <knome_work> sally2: it's easier than it could be.
[10:56] <cdoublejj> wow if did this right i will ahve latest version of wine
[10:56] <sally2> i just clicked that last link about compiling software hopefully thatll do the trick
[10:56] <knome_work> cdoublejj: :)
[10:56] <cdoublejj> and it looks liek the fallout has gone up on compatibility
[10:56] <knome_work> sally2: yeah, that should include any information you need
[10:56] <cdoublejj> wich means it runs better
[10:56] <knome_work> cdoublejj: good to hear. :)
[10:57] <cdoublejj> thnk you to killap for releasing those patches
[10:57] <sally2> do you think xubuntu runs better than gOS on a low end laptop?
[10:57] <cdoublejj> he hex edited fallout.exe
[10:57] <cdoublejj> gOS??
[10:57] <rich__> knome_work: and Sysi: sudo do-release-upgrade says "No new release found"
[10:58] <sally2> yeah gos....Green OS....based on linux....it has wine preinstalled....walmart was selling pc's with gOS on em for 200 bucks
[10:58] <knome_work> rich__: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:58] <knome_work> rich__: 9.10 is released the day after tomorrow, so it's still developmet
[10:58] <knome_work> +n
[10:58] <knome_work> sally2: i don't know gOS. if it's a thin client OS, it's not really comparable
[10:59] <sally2> i was wondering how i might go about dual booting xubuntu and gos
[10:59] <knome_work> sally2: i don't know if that would be very useful
[10:59] <rich__> knome_work: ooh, that's working!
[10:59] <knome_work> sally2: from what i looked at gOS, i suppose xubuntu would be faster
[10:59] <knome_work> rich__: of course, i'm batman
[11:00] <knome_work> oops, i spoiled myself ;P
[11:00] <gRnt> Hi all I have a question I am new to xubuntu (and love it) I am currently using terminal to try and install rtorrent and am getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/302686/ (PS I don't know why its complaing about ssl I have it installed) however I think I need to edit pkg?
[11:01] <gRnt> I'm still rather new and have been looking at google but its been to no avail.
[11:01] <sally2> just get Ktorrent from the package manager
[11:01] <knome_work> gRnt: when you compile stuff, you need to have the -dev packages.
[11:01] <knome_work> sally2: it would install a *lot* of dependencies in xubuntu
[11:01] <gRnt> knome, can I simply sudo apt-get install pkg-dev ?
[11:01] <knome_work> gRnt: if you only need a simple torrent client, you can use transmission
[11:02] <sally2> really?? thats what i did but i still havent even ued it on this computer....
[11:02] <knome_work> gRnt: no, i mean openssl-dev
[11:02] <sally2> i guess im probably wasting some space
[11:02] <knome_work> sally2: yup, probably
[11:02] <knome_work> sally2: you should use gtk (or gnome) apps with xubuntu, if possible to avoid masses of dependencies
[11:02] <gRnt> Well this is more of a learning experience than anything knome_work I also like the look of the wtorrent webui, I need to learn some how as I would like to move to a server install at some point, so far so good its just google sometimes fails me.
[11:02] <knome_work> okay
[11:02] <knome_work> !build | gRnt
[11:03] <knome_work> gRnt: have you read that package?
[11:03] <gRnt> no I shall go there now thankyou
[11:03] <knome_work> no problem
[11:03] <gRnt> E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev
[11:03] <gRnt>  just FYI
[11:03] <cdoublejj> some stuff runs faster in wine that buntu
[11:04] <cdoublejj> like kega emulator runs faster in wine than a native buntu sega emulator
[11:04] <sally2> i have another question....i had ubuntu originally....jaunty....and then i ran some command i read online and now when i boot up the laptop i have the option of loading gnome or xfce  windows manager....i always click xfce....and it runs pretty well....but am i getting the real xubuntu experience?
[11:05] <knome_work> gRnt: it might be openssl3-dev or something like that. search for it :)
[11:05] <sally2> or would it run faster if i got an actual xubuntu cd and installed it from that
[11:06] <knome_work> sally2: no, it doesn't affec that much.
[11:06] <knome_work> sally2: if you want to remove all the ubuntu (as in ubnutu gnome) stuff, follow this:
[11:06] <knome_work> !purexfce | sally2
[11:07] <sally2> i should rpobably do that becuase im on a real low end laptop and ubuntu never ran too smoothly on this
[11:07] <sally2> you sure are helpful knome...do you work for ubuntu?
[11:07] <knome_work> sally2: yeah, but as i said, it doesn't affect that much.
[11:08] <knome_work> sally2: no, i'm not paid, but i am a volunteer and work as the xubuntu marketing lead, currently
[11:08] <sally2> how many hours do you volunteer weekly would you say?
[11:08] <knome_work> sally2: depends on the week, but up to 40 hours
[11:09] <knome_work> sally2: average maybe 7-10 hours per week
[11:09] <sally2> thats pretty cool...is your career computer oriented?
[11:10] <knome_work> sally2: but of course it's not only just doing that. i might be at irc and give user support, like now, whenever somebody needs it
[11:10] <knome_work> sally2: i'm studying social service stuff, but i have an IT company
[11:11] <sally2> where you ever a windows user?
[11:11] <knome_work> yeah, something like until 5 years ago
[11:12] <knome_work> i also have been a DOS user ;)
[11:12] <sally2> im 23....been using windows since i was 12....we had macs before that when i was a kid
[11:12] <sally2> some time in 2008 i started experimenting with ubuntu
[11:12] <knome_work> i'm 23 also, i've been using computer since i was 5
[11:13] <sally2> my mom was a computer programmer in the 60s....back when an ibm computer was a whole building
[11:13] <knome_work> :]
[11:13] <sally2> so i had computers from the day i was born
[11:13] <knome_work> yeah
[11:13] <sally2> she was all about macs though
[11:13] <knome_work> hehe, well back then it made a difference whether you had mac or pc
[11:13] <knome_work> now the hardware is basically the same
[11:14] <sally2> what country are you in>
[11:14] <sally2> ?
[11:14] <knome_work> finland
[11:14] <sally2> hey thats pretty cool....im actually a guy i just thought id get more help if i came in here pretending to be a girl
[11:15] <knome_work> haha :)
[11:15] <knome_work> doesn't really matter
[11:15] <nick> this is my real name
[11:15] <nick> oh someone else already registered the nick "nick"
[11:15] <cdoublejj> how do you do this in xubuntu
[11:15] <cdoublejj> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/hide-removable-drive-icons-from-your-ubuntu-desktop/
[11:16] <nick2009> so how come youre so into xubuntu over ubuntu? the only reason i came to xubuntu is cause i have weak computers
[11:16] <cdoublejj> same here
[11:16] <knome_work> nick2009: right-click on desktop and select desktop properties/settings or something
[11:16] <cdoublejj> using on a weak laptop
[11:17] <knome_work> nick2009: i was first using ubuntu, but gnome was so bloated and kept breaking so i switched to xubuntu
[11:17] <nick2012> i hate bloated software
[11:17] <cdoublejj> i like gnome
[11:17] <knome_work> i have a good enough pc, but i still like xubuntu
[11:17] <cdoublejj> is not having gnome why xubuntu is faster?
[11:17] <knome_work> xfce is more configurable
[11:17] <nick2012> yeah dude thats why its faster
[11:17] <knome_work> and you can actually be productive
[11:17] <nick2012> its that compiz program in ubuntu
[11:18] <knome_work> cdoublejj: that's the biggest reason
[11:18] <knome_work> cdoublejj: there is also some other app choices that make xubuntu faster
[11:18] <cdoublejj> like flux box?
[11:18] <cdoublejj> oh wiat would flux box make xubuntu faster?
[11:18] <nick2012> i tell people ubuntu is better for higher end computers....its a modern os like vista....good if you have over 4gigs of memory
[11:19] <nick2012> xubuntu is fast but if thats all you care about why dont you use Damn Small Linux knome_work
[11:20] <knome_work> cdoublejj: yes, but it has way less features.
[11:20] <knome_work> nick2012: the "fastness" doesn't really make so much difference with a fast pc
[11:20] <cdoublejj> like?
[11:21] <knome_work> cdoublejj: fluxbox doesn't have panels by default, you need to use a paneling software
[11:21] <nick2012> whats the best program to use for web chat?
[11:21] <cdoublejj> so then you might as well keep what ya have then
[11:21] <nick2012> ive read amsn can do web chat
[11:21] <knome_work> nick2012: hmm?
[11:21] <knome_work> right.. i don't really know
[11:21] <knome_work> i use webchat with whatever browser i have
[11:21] <knome_work> i usually irc with irssi which i run on a server
[11:21] <knome_work> == knome
[11:22] <knome_work> but i can't access that now
[11:22] <nick2012> can you do web chat over irc?
[11:22] <gRnt> knome_work, seems I needed two dev packages, guess I might have to write them down if I want to move to a server install though haha....configure and make done! on we go
[11:22] <nick2012> my girlfriend wants to have web chats with her friends on yahoo and msn
[11:22] <knome_work> gRnt: great to hear:) good luck
[11:22] <knome_work> nick2012: right, you mean instant messaging
[11:22] <knome_work> nick2012: i think pidgin is quite good for that, if you need a gui
[11:23] <nick2012> oh yeah not web chat i m ean video chat
[11:23] <nick2012> i dont know why i said that
[11:23] <knome_work> ahh, video chat
[11:23] <knome_work> i think amsn is the only one supporting video chat on linux atm
[11:23] <nick2012> what if i install yahoo messenger under wine?
[11:23] <nick2012> will its video chat work?
[11:23] <knome_work> nick2012: i suppose that would work as well
[11:23] <knome_work> i need to go now
[11:23] <nick2012> it wouldntneed drivers or something installed?
[11:23] <knome_work> see you later!
[11:24] <nick2012> ok man thanks for the help
[11:24] <nick2012> i got like 50 questions answered out of that guy
[11:24] <nick2012> pretty cool
[13:06] <rich__> max resolution dropped to 1280x1024 (was 1600x1200) since upgrade to 9.10 RC1. Any ideas?
[14:44] <rich__> max resolution dropped to 1280x1024 (was 1600x1200) since upgrade to 9.10 RC1. Any ideas?
[14:51] <likemindead> Try "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" rich__
[14:52] <likemindead> Oh, and add a sudo to that. ;-)
[14:58] <rich__> likeminded: did nothing. I'll restart and see if it just magically fixed it...
[14:59] <likemindead> Yes, you have to reboot.
[14:59] <likemindead> Or restart X, anyhow.
[15:21] <goober> good morning (or whatever it is where you are) - I'm having some trouble with a new Xubuntu installation and would like some help, please...
[15:23] <goober> the installation goes off with no trouble, but as soon as I run the updates, the next bootup ends with a blank screen and a cursor - no icons, no toolbars, no background...
[15:23] <goober> I had installed Xubuntu on this same machine before, and it updated with no problems, but I was reinstalling everything so that I could give the computer away
[15:24] <goober> any ideas?  Thanks
[15:24] <goober> also, I'm pretty mucha  noob
[15:25] <TheSheep> goober: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[15:25] <juggle> Hi ... i'm a newbie in c++ ...can the 'for' loop be used with string in c++?,if yes...What's the c++ version of the following python loop http://dpaste.com/112676/
[15:26] <goober> writing this down - I'm typing from a live CD on same machine because I couldn't boot
[15:27] <goober> thanks, TheSheep - what next?
[15:28] <TheSheep> juggle: maybe ask on a c++ channel?
[15:31] <juggle> TheSheep,ok..i have resolved the problem ..thx
[15:35] <goober> TheSheep:  were there any steps to follow, or will that command either bring up a desktop or get me to an obvious place to resolve it?
[15:36] <goober> I'll have to reboot to try it
[15:42] <goober> looks like you stepped away.  I'll reboot and see what that command get me - thanks, TheSheep
[15:48] <rich__> likeminded: hmm, just the same...
[16:09] <goober> TheSheep: back at my installed desktop, thanks!  Is "xfce4-panel" something other than the default desktop environment?  I don't seem able to change the wallpaper, etc.  If not, what command will get me back to the default so I can see if that works now? thanks
[18:20] <nicklas_> soon time
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Anyone testing the release images, new images are available now for xubuntu
[19:43] <nicklas_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUTBJIV93w
[19:47] <mandrew> hello ppl does xubuntu 9.10 have the same hardware suport as ubuntu 9.10?
[19:48] <nicklas_> you mean 9.04 ?
[19:48] <nicklas_> forget it
[19:48] <nicklas_> i read wrong
[19:49] <mandrew> hehe np
[19:49] <Sysi> yes
[19:49] <nicklas_> what kind of hardware you mean?
[19:49] <mandrew> w-lan
[19:49] <nicklas_> it uses the same network manager right?
[19:49] <mandrew> i have 2 netbooks and i tried xubuntu and now ubuntu but i cant get the w-an to work
[19:50] <mandrew> w-lan*
[19:50] <mandrew> i have upgraded the beta on one netbook and the w-lan just works out of the box
[19:50] <mandrew> the ubuntu 9.10 beta
[19:51] <nicklas_> mandrew: they have probably updated it so it works in 9.10
[19:51] <mandrew> upgarded from beta 4
[19:51] <nicklas_> mandrew: so then all is good right?
[19:51] <mandrew> no now on the netbook i installed it on now
[19:51] <mandrew> it just dont work
[19:52] <mandrew> cant even see the w-lan card :(
[19:52] <nicklas_> that might now be because of ubuntu, the hardware may be different
[19:52] <mandrew> true
[19:56] <mandrew> i love how trhe new xubuntu looks
[19:56] <mandrew> the*
[19:59] <mandrew> anyone thats know anything about compaq mini 730e?
[20:04] <rrmm> mandrew~ I had something similiar, buntu would automaticly see my phone as a modem but then it stopped all of a sudden, thought it was an upgrade but windows doesn't see it either
[20:04] <mandrew> ok
[20:04] <rrmm> ok not similiar at really
[20:04] <rrmm> nvm
[20:04] <mandrew> i just want this crap machine to work lol
[20:05] <rrmm> guess that hardware may be faulty sometimes?
[20:05] <mandrew> dont know
[20:05] <mandrew> who do i list the hardware in the terminal?
[20:05] <mandrew> im a noob at ubuntu
[20:05] <rrmm> how you mean?
[20:06] <rrmm> dmesg
[20:06] <rrmm> lspci
[20:06] <rrmm> lshw
[20:06] <rrmm> !paste
[20:07] <rrmm> Penguino~ LOVE the name
[20:11] <mandrew> rrmm how do i find the w-lan in the terminal?
[20:12] <Penguino> rrmm: Heh, thanks :D
[20:14] <rrmm> mine waws found in lshe
[20:14] <mandrew> ok
[20:14] <mandrew> tnx
[20:15] <rrmm> i mean lshw
[20:15] <knome> hmm
[20:18] <mandrew> it could be a broadcom or a msi
[20:18] <rrmm> broadcom
[20:18] <mandrew> vendor marvell technology group Ltd
[20:18] <rrmm> msi is a maker of books I think
[20:18] <mandrew> ok
[20:19] <rrmm> books as in computers rofl
[20:19] <mandrew> :P
[20:19] <rrmm> wait msi is m/b producer
[20:19] <rrmm> ok off to go visit grandma, good luck w/ your networks
[20:19] <mandrew> m/b?
[20:19] <rrmm> mainboard, motherboard
[20:19] <mandrew> tnx
[20:19] <mandrew> ok tnx
[20:19] <rrmm> np
[21:16] <seek3r> hello. quick question. Anybody know the system requirements for xubuntu. specifically, what I really wanna know is is there a version i can run on a system with only 64 megs of ram?
[21:16] <charlie-tca> 64 MB is not going to work
[21:16] <Sysi> lubuntu might work
[21:16] <charlie-tca> The GUI won't run
[21:16] <Sysi> or what it was
[21:17] <seek3r> I thought as much. i was kind of hoping an earlier version, with the alternate installer might do it.
[21:17] <Sysi> xubuntu don't work very propably
[21:17] <seek3r> lubuntu? whats that/
[21:17] <Sysi> with lxde
[21:17] <Sysi> very lightweight but pretty good
[21:17] <charlie-tca> The earliest version was 6.06, but it needed 128MB, as far as I recall
[21:17] <seek3r> hmmmmmm.
[21:17] <Sysi> or crungchbang
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Puppy linux would work
[21:18] <charlie-tca> crunchbang should
[21:18] <Sysi> merely lubuntu
[21:18] <seek3r> puppy? think I could squeeze a gui into that as well?
[21:18] <charlie-tca> possible
[21:18] <seek3r> setting up old system for kids, they wouldnt do well with CLI only.
[21:19] <Sysi> crunchbang propably would do
[21:19] <charlie-tca> They were playing with 64MB with a gui, I think
[21:20] <seek3r> well, yeah, i did win98 and win95 with that, but was wanting linux to avoid all the malware issues that are sure to pop up.
[21:20] <seek3r> (also dont have a legal install for those either)
[21:20] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[21:21] <Sysi> that's pretty good and lightweight
[21:21] <charlie-tca> take a look at lubuntu
[21:21] <Sysi> i had it for a while
[21:21] <charlie-tca> and they will have some other ideas, too
[21:22] <seek3r> I am looking at it now..
[21:23] <seek3r> with 64 megs, it will have to be featherweight. :)
[21:23] <Sysi> it flew with 512 :P
[21:26] <seek3r> I wish I had that for this, but all i got on hand that will fit the machine is a single 64meg stick :(
[21:26] <seek3r> wasnt trying to spend any on this project. tryin to clean out my junk bins, ya know. :)
[21:27] <Sysi> that should work, it isn't lot added to openbox
[21:27] <Sysi> ans it runs on very little
[21:30] <seek3r> I guess I am gonna try lxde on a debian core. Think I will stick it in a virtual machine with 64 megs first, see what happens.
[21:31] <Sysi> if i remember right, my friens have openbox with 32meg
[21:31] <Sysi> works pretty well
[21:34] <seek3r> really?
[21:35] <Sysi> it is rough
[21:35] <Sysi> but it should run
[21:35] <Sysi> apps just are different..
[21:37] <seek3r> yeah, I expect it to be rough, at the very least.
[21:37] <Bwyard> hello
[21:37] <Bwyard> can someone help me
[21:38] <Sysi> !hi
[21:38] <charlie-tca> !help
[21:38] <Bwyard> well somehow i managd to turn off my wireless in xubuntu
[21:39] <Bwyard> and well im not good enough with terminals to get it working
[21:39] <Bwyard> i installed something call wicd
[21:39] <Bwyard> then i uninstalled it and now i network manager doesnt start up any more
[21:41] <Bwyard> so basically i need to know how to setup wireless in the terminal
[21:42] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know enough myself, but that might help you
[21:43] <Bwyard> well i tried using the manuals that come with xubuntu but one of the command sis missing i think
[21:43] <knome> Bwyard, alt+f2 -> nm-applet
[21:43] <Bwyard> so thats all i have to do
[21:43] <Bwyard> thank you i will try it right now
[21:43] <knome> Bwyard, that will start up network manager, if it's installed
[21:44]  * charlie-tca waves at knome 
[21:44] <knome> hello charlie-tca :)
[21:44] <knome> o/
[21:44] <charlie-tca> testing again
[21:45]  * charlie-tca is not sure him quitting is a good sign ...
[21:45] <Sysi> maybe he don't have multitasking
[21:46] <Sysi> that exist surprisingly often..
[21:47] <charlie-tca> it's true. I haven't had a chance to test karmic on the PII yet.
[21:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i've been running karmic on my production machine since beta
[21:47] <charlie-tca> It has issues with tasking in general sometimes
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I ran it since alpha2
[21:48] <knome> yeah, you're mad ;)
[21:48] <charlie-tca> but then again, I had to reinstall twice
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I think I called it "fun"
[21:48] <knome> i'm still on an installation of 6.06 (iirc) with all upgrades to karmic
[21:48] <charlie-tca> eeek!
[21:48] <knome> ;)
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I have my 6.06 upgraded to 8.04 server here. I upgraded it direct, and will upgrade to 10.04 next
[21:49] <knome> charlie-tca, that eek was quite mouseish :)
[21:50] <charlie-tca> then I will probably have to clean it up with a fresh install
[21:50] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it's just a little scary to think about all those upgrades.
[21:50] <knome> i've broken my system badly in one upgrade and a few times with something else than upgrades
[21:50] <knome> but been able to fix it
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I broke karmic bad, enough to reinstall it on this machine. At least I had /home backed up
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Teach me to put alpha versions on the machine I depend on all the time
[21:53] <knome> :)
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Oh, no it didn't. I had to reinstall twice because i broke it again
[21:53] <knome> hehe
[21:54] <Sysi> i started from beta
[21:54] <Sysi> still works \o/
[21:54] <charlie-tca> beta is much safer.
[21:55] <Sysi> i need that netbook for schoolwork
[21:55] <charlie-tca> I would NOT recommend starting from any alpha version if you really need the machine
[21:55] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I do have 4 systems here.
[21:55] <knome> charlie-tca, OTOH, shops are usually open 7 days a week ;)
[21:56] <Sysi> i have 4 too :)
[21:56] <charlie-tca> True, also
[21:56] <charlie-tca> I just keep things backed up on another system
[21:56] <charlie-tca> exept that airplane ticket information
[21:56] <knome> hehehe
[21:56] <Sysi> but when i uodate this i need external drive
[21:57] <Bwyard> it was nm -applet right?
[21:57] <Sysi> nm-applet
[21:57] <Bwyard> well that didnt work
[21:57] <Sysi> with space?
[21:57] <Sysi> it won't
[21:58] <Bwyard> with and without
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Probably got uninstalled when wicd installed
[21:59] <Bwyard> what was the site that i was given with the documentation on wireless
[21:59] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[21:59] <Bwyard> well how do i reinstall it
[22:02] <Bwyard> ok i think i found the install file
[22:02] <Bwyard> is this it
[22:02] <Bwyard> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
[22:03] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get network-manager
[22:03] <Bwyard> only problem with that is i dont have interent
[22:03] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get network-manager-gnome
[22:03] <Bwyard> b/c i dont have an internet manager
[22:03] <Bwyard> my internet doesnt work in xubuntu once i uninstalled wice
[22:03] <Bwyard> only in vista
[22:04] <Bwyard> which is what im using right now
[22:04] <Bwyard> well imma gonna try this
[22:04] <Bwyard> if it doesnt work ill be back
[22:04] <Bwyard> thank you btw
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know if the NetworkManager from gnome.org will include both files
[22:05] <charlie-tca> try it
[22:05] <Bwyard> ok ill try it
[22:05] <Bwyard> wait what do u mena two files
[22:05] <Bwyard> *mean
[22:05] <charlie-tca> You need network-manager and network-manager-gnome
[22:05] <Bwyard> oh ok well i will see what happens
[22:13] <ochosi>  hi everyone. i'm using xfce4.6.1 with a vertical panel and i'm wondering whether there's a way to remove the 5px empty border around my orage-clock. anyone here who knows something about this? here's a screenshot to illustrate what i'm talking about: http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7483/oragepanel.png
[22:15] <charlie-tca> If that is the orage clock, right click and unclick "show frame" ?
[22:18] <Bwyard> it didnt work but thats because i dont have network-tools installed
[22:18] <Bwyard> it popped up with an error saying it wanst installed when i tried to install network manager
[22:19] <charlie-tca> ochosi: sorry, right-click, left-click properties, unclick "show frame" ?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Bwyard: no more ideas
[22:21] <ochosi> charlie-tca, unfortunately not... the funny thing is that neither the frame nor the "set width" option makes any difference
[22:21] <charlie-tca> weird!
[22:22] <Bwyard> well thanks anyways
[22:22] <charlie-tca> make sure set width has a check mark. I screwed that up once.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> also, if the font is too big, it ignores me
[22:23] <ochosi> hm, well, yes, the set width checkbox is checked. font size also doesn't seem to make a difference...
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Ask in #xfce?
[22:30] <mandrew> i would like to thank all good people here who helped me today
[22:31] <knome> mandrew, for all the people; no problem. we hope you enjoy xubuntu
[22:32] <mandrew> the new xubuntu 9.10 rc is realy nice looking
[22:32] <knome> mandrew, good to hear
[22:32] <mandrew> to bad i have a broadcom w-lan card
[22:35] <mandrew> i got help to set it up but under ubuntu 9.10 rc and now its working so i have to stick with the ubuntu cuz i dont think i can set it up again on my own
[22:37] <knome> mandrew, you can install the package xubuntu-desktop and then use xfce
[22:37] <mandrew> it would be nice it canonical could get broadcom w-lan cards set up to work out of the box but hey i got a OS for free thats a miracle
[22:37] <mandrew> ok how do i do that?
[22:38] <knome> go to synaptic and select+install 'xubuntu-desktop'
[22:38] <knome> or run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' from terminal
[22:38] <mandrew> is it that easy?
[22:38] <knome> then when you get to the login screen, select xfce session instead of gnome session
[22:38] <knome> yes, it is
[22:38] <mandrew> it brings tears to my eyes
[22:39] <mandrew> man do i love this OS
[22:40] <mandrew> i dont understand why no one told me about this before if i only had known i would never spent all these years with windows
[22:41] <knome> linux has come a long way in the last years
[22:43] <mandrew> i have no log in window how do a change that?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Hit enter
[22:44] <charlie-tca> It'll ask for passwors
[22:44] <mandrew> when?
[22:44] <mandrew> on boot up?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> It should be a screen with a name on it
[22:44] <knome> charlie-tca, i think he means he has autologin, thus no gdm showing up
[22:45] <mandrew> i have set it up to log me in with no password :P
[22:45] <charlie-tca> I can't find how to auto-login with upstart
[22:45] <mandrew> its when you install it
[22:45] <knome> hmm
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I don't want it then. I want to tturn it off and on
[22:47] <knome> mandrew, i think you need to run 'sudo gdmsetup' and change that setting for a while, then log out and select xfce session from gdm
[22:48] <mandrew> ok or mabye log in and out would fix that
[22:48] <mandrew> then i get that window
[22:49] <mandrew> i found how to solve the problem
[22:49] <knome> mandrew, great
[22:50] <mandrew> its in /sys/admin/ logg inscreen
[22:50] <mandrew> or some like it cuz i dont have english as main language
[22:52] <mandrew> love it
[22:53] <mandrew> thank you
[22:53] <mandrew> so i can do this with kubuntu, gobuntu etc etc
[22:54] <mandrew> and get them desktops too?
[22:57] <knome> mandrew, kubuntu-desktop, i don't know about gobuntu
[22:58] <mandrew> that is so cool
[23:00] <mandrew> love it this is so sweeeeet
[23:00] <Bwyard> hwo do i eject a cd in xubuntu it wont let me
[23:01] <Bwyard> Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD__RW_GSA_T40N".
[23:01] <knome> Bwyard, try 'eject -T' from terminal
[23:01] <knome> mandrew, :)
[23:01] <Bwyard> Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD__RW_GSA_T40N" is not a volume or drive.
[23:02] <Bwyard> it worked when i did sudo
[23:02] <knome> okay
[23:06] <Bwyard> anybody can help me with fluxbox
[23:07] <knome> !fluxbox | Bwyard
[23:07] <Sysi> hmm, is there #fluxubuntu ?
[23:07] <knome> Sysi, that would be fluxbuntu, but i don't know if they have an irc channel
[23:08] <Sysi> !fluxubuntu
[23:08] <Sysi> they should
[23:08] <knome> yeah, and i should have infinite free beer
[23:08] <knome> ;)
[23:09] <Sysi> but that's the great truth of ubottu :)
[23:09] <mandrew> ok good night ppl of the free OS :P
[23:09] <knome> night mandrew
[23:11] <Sysi> hmm, from neighbour country
[23:11] <Bwyard> hi
[23:51] <ron_o> is it me or is xubuntu really been extra stable lately?