[00:00] install baby [00:00] till i'm a man! [00:00] :D [00:00] Did you download the RC? [00:01] ? [00:01] that's a no jack [00:01] Lol wut XD [00:01] something called Janty jiving [00:01] jaunty jackalope [00:01] something like that. [00:01] oh it is jaunty jackalope [00:02] the dream Penguino if i may call you that, is to get compiz rockin! [00:02] pIII and compiz sweet. [00:03] :D [00:03] Jaunty mate? [00:03] But Karmic is coming in 3 days [00:03] i have little patience [00:04] Karma Kameleon it should have been called. [00:04] missed opportunity [00:04] imb [00:05] 67% [00:05] ah ha! [00:06] Freenode has everything [00:08] 80% [00:10] 97%... anticipation [00:18] hello. I'm trying to get xubuntu 9.04 installed on an old(ish) laptop, a Compaq Armada M300: 256MB RAM, 5GB HDD P3. It hangs at "Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysct1.d/10-network-security.conf) Segmentation fault" [00:18] "i%p1%dG Segmentation fault" [00:18] any ideas? [00:19] lol, what a room, me too, but not for the seg fault.. haven't got there yet. and i'm on a presario [00:24] helloooooooooooooooooooo........... [00:25] hi, i have a friend's pentium 3 laptop with 128mb ram and 10gb hard drive - she needs to just connect to the net, check e-mail and load up old MS-Word documents and have the abilitiy to create new ones. will xubuntu be the best choice in this situation? [00:26] Yes, but I suggest using OpenOffice instead of Abiword [00:27] Well, I don't know Abiword [00:27] I don't know if Abiword supports docx format [00:27] Penguino - is abiword what comes bundled with xubuntu? [00:27] instead of openoffice? [00:27] Yes [00:33] ah i see - [00:43] zyxwvutsr: Seg faults are usually Kernal failures i think [00:43] i fixed my problem... stupid xorg.conf not set right. [00:44] i have to find the right driver for this. i just get a blank xorg.conf.... nothing fancy in it at all. [00:46] yes, well, I wasn't expecting a kernel failure during installation [00:47] sometimes it happens. maybe faulty download? [00:48] probably not [00:49] this is the third or fourth distro I've tried to get on this machine [00:49] weird. [00:49] Penguino: is there no WPA in this deal? [00:49] Uh, no idea [00:50] i get WEP but no wpa [00:50] odd. [00:50] ok now i go watch madmen. at least it works. [00:51] before i go... how do i find out what real driver i should use? [00:51] i'm using VESA to get it going [00:51] it == computer [01:16] ug... this trident driver is going to give me the poops [02:00] bjr a tous [02:40] hello [02:42] i need some help [02:45] help please [02:47] hello anyone here [03:24] Hi. Is there an lpia install cd for xubuntu. I want to put jaunty on my netbook. [03:25] And kde/gnome are too bloated for a netbook, IMHO. [04:50] anyone else has the problem that videos and pictures are blue with 9.10? [05:03] <_Techie_> kromar i had the same issue with a persistant USB of 9.04 [05:03] <_Techie_> i believe it may have been related to the video card not detecting properly [05:04] <_Techie_> *sigh* why do i never notice them leaving [07:33] oh [07:34] my osunds and internet connections are greyed out how do i get it to let me use them [07:34] does it have any thing to do with auto log in? [07:35] wtf [07:35] plugged in antother card now it works [07:49] will fwcutter work on xubuntu [08:21] Hello [08:22] I want to support thunar from samba protocol [08:22] which package I install? [08:22] sorry for my bad English [08:23] !fusesmb [08:23] fusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network. Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb [08:25] ooohh thanks [08:30] thanks [10:08] Thinking of upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10RC. My usual way is apt-get distupgrade, then change jaunty for karmic in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Sound ok? [10:09] that isn't method i've heard [10:10] yeah, (k)ubuntu always tells you to use a GUI, but everytime (I've been a user since 2006?) it crashes horribly. I've found apt-get much safer! [10:10] but it can be done differently with apt [10:11] Can anyone suggest how to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10 from the commandline? [10:13] !upgrade | rich__ [10:13] rich__: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [10:14] sudo do-release-upgrade [10:15] ubottu: these suggest a GUI: gksudo update-manager -d [10:15] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:16] genius! [10:16] rich__: see Sysi's message [10:18] so are people already waiting for xubuntu 9.10? [10:18] or are you already running karmic? [10:18] im waiting for kubuntu :-) [10:19] nicklas_: why kubuntu? and why #xubuntu in that case? [10:19] im actually a xubuntu user, but have discovered that its not for me anymore [10:19] so im gonna go kubuntu :-P [10:19] I've moved from kubuntu (3.x == brilliant && 4.x == awful) to xubuntu. I've been amazed at how good it is. Simple, fast, and surprisingly flexible. thought I'd miss konqueror (but that's gone anyway in kde 4) but thunar's got some good custom tricks [10:20] nicklas_: okay. are you willing to tell me what lead you into that thinking and why you decided kubuntu is for you then`? [10:20] rich__: nice to hear. want to tell me things that you like better in xubuntu? [10:21] rich__: also, if there was something that didn't really work in kubuntu (apart from kde4) [10:21] flexible, integrated [10:21] xubuntu just lacks some major features i want [10:21] nicklas_: can you be more verbose on those features? [10:22] its fast and all, but i dont want it anymore :-P [10:22] nicklas_: also, do you need flexibility in tweaking the looks, the configuration or what? [10:22] menu editor, dependencies [10:22] nicklas_: and what do you mean with integrated [10:22] hello [10:22] nicklas_: yeah, it's a shame xfce 4.8 doesn't have a menu editor. which dependencies are you talking about? [10:22] !hi | cedron [10:22] cedron: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay! [10:23] kde, integrated theme and wallpaper [10:23] nicklas_: which xubuntu have you used? [10:23] hmmm [10:23] cedron: ? :) [10:23] 9.04 of course :-) [10:24] i switched to xubuntu from other distro because i own p3 [10:24] nicklas_: okay. 9.10 will look more integrated than 9.04, though i have to admit there is some glitches [10:24] cedron: okay. [10:24] is it better to use lxde? [10:25] cedron: it might be a bit faster, but it isn't as featureful [10:26] a bit faster only? hmmm [10:26] cedron: well, it depends. i haven't really tested lxde [10:28] they say it's ok to install lxde on top of xubuntu and remove xfce afterwards... [10:28] cedron: it is. you can do that. [10:31] is there any way to optimize xubuntu [10:31] okay, maybe it's worth testing for other than installing ubuntu distros with packaged lxde [10:32] also is there a way to see if it hasn't found or install a generic driver for hardware componets like the gfx [10:32] cdoublejj: what kind of optimization you mean? [10:32] i have a laptop with an old s3 [10:32] speed [10:32] cdoublejj: applications -> system -> hardware drivers [10:32] thats is [10:32] cedron: yeah, testing is easy [10:33] so if i have any probs it'll say driver not found [10:33] cdoublejj: do you have problems? [10:33] knome_work: disklikes of kde: too much bloat in name of "integration". I used to love Kmail, but now that's a whole suite of programs (kontact, korganiser...). dolphin sucks: hides the useful information. konqueror (FM) uses dolphin widget so no better. compositor slow. file progress thing quirky/unclear. [10:33] rich__: okay. thanks :) [10:33] no i just wondered [10:34] cdoublejj: if you need any propietary drivers, jockey (hardware drivers) will tell you about it [10:34] i have just done some wine optimization i'm gonna try out some games [10:34] cdoublejj: xfce is kind of optimized already [10:34] last time itried dark stone it ran horribly [10:34] and it doesn't take squat to run it [10:34] cdoublejj: i personally don't know about that much, but you could search the forums or google. [10:34] so now maybe these wine tricks will help [10:34] cdoublejj: have you checked wine appdb and the games status? [10:34] look what i found [10:35] http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/504370-how-linux-gaming-explained.html#post6182623 [10:35] i have on older laptop a toshiba 2805-s202 [10:35] so naturaly i all i could really care about are games like starcraft or fallout [10:35] but, i think it takes some grunt to run starcraft [10:36] i think windows is faster than linux [10:36] cdoublejj: yes, emulating takes recources [10:36] xp would be about equal to ubuntu [10:36] wine isn;t an emulator [10:36] cdoublejj: if you would run windows+wine+starcraft, it would be slower than xubuntu+wine+starcraft [10:36] thats what wine stands for [10:36] cdoublejj: yes, but it *IS* an emulator [10:36] true [10:37] well they should stop claiming likewise then [10:37] cdoublejj: lame == lame is not an mp3 encoder, but that's what it definitely is [10:37] some times it is better to stick with windows [10:37] cdoublejj: yes, it might be. [10:37] yeah sometimes [10:38] hell i wonder if should have tried run win 98 with an xp compatibility layer [10:38] stick with infections as well XD [10:38] thatd be fast [10:38] if you want to play a lot and don't have a powerful machine, you maybe want windows [10:38] it's jsut an older laptop [10:38] yeah. [10:38] i have about 5 toshiba 2800-2805 models [10:38] i have real quad core for gaming [10:38] and a bunch of other computers [10:38] :) [10:39] yup [10:39] and real one with ubuntu too [10:39] it has an amd 64 bit cpu [10:39] i only have machines running xubuntu [10:39] i like windows too [10:39] how ever i have been getting a growing hatred of macs [10:39] hmm. [10:39] i have used a mac laptop before and liked it [10:40] it's their adds on that make me mad [10:40] some chick gives mac her box of stuff [10:40] there is good things in mac [10:40] aftershe switched from windows [10:40] but also bad things, and i don't really care about apple and their actions [10:40] it sohuld have show mac throwing stuff out of the box casue i know for a fact mac can not run .exe [10:41] i also got box from a chic [10:41] oh, wait (!) [10:41] ;) [10:41] aaaw [10:41] did you get dumped ? [10:41] no, i'm married to her :P [10:41] haha nice! [10:42] i wish i had a women by my side [10:42] maybe you will someday :) [10:42] oh.. what sober.. :-D [10:42] gtk pod is a pain in the but, [10:43] becasue it won't let you browse network shared files [10:43] cdoublejj: hmm. [10:43] i keep all my files on my windows machine cause i have the most room on it. [10:43] cdoublejj: that's why you should use rockbox on your ipod ;) [10:44] i'v heard ofthat and ipod linux [10:44] i have installed rockbox on one older ipod [10:44] just thoguht it would be cool to sync music to the pod with linux [10:44] cept e mum complains it's to slow [10:44] some other apps than gtkpod can do that [10:44] might have to let her keep my nice laptop [10:44] your mum?! [10:44] and get mea real laptop [10:45] yeah i got an ubuntu power laptop liek the one i've been talking about [10:45] might run xubuntu on it to to speed it up [10:45] mmh [10:47] hi friends [10:47] !hi | sally2 [10:47] sally2: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay! [10:47] oohhh didn't think about having to find wifi drivers for windows [10:47] all i ahve to do is run the ol b43 fwcutter in buntu [10:47] cdoublejj: hehe ;) ubuntu saves you from lot of trouble [10:47] yes it does [10:47] and no anti virus either [10:47] total newbie here....im trying to install Carrier (funpidgin) on ubuntu but i dont know how to install a tar.gz....ive only used the add/remove package manager [10:48] i mean xubuntu* [10:48] i thought tar gz wasl ikea zip and you have to open it [10:48] i extracted the tar.gz file... [10:48] oh [10:48] well thats all i can offer [10:48] im not sure what to do next to actually install the program [10:48] sally2: yeah, it's a source package? [10:48] sally2: you need to open terminal [10:49] sally2: then browse to the directory you unpackaged the stuff [10:49] sally2: then *usually*: ./configure [10:49] now that i think of it linux has come a long ways since a few years ago [10:49] sally2: after that, make, which builds the code [10:49] my mistake its actually a tar.bz2 file [10:49] you'd still be hard pressed to run dial up on it thogh like people pc or netzero [10:49] sally2: and after that 'sudo make install', which installs the file in your system [10:49] sally2: doesn't matter. [10:50] sally2: i suppose it's a source packge. bz2/gz are just compression methods [10:50] im surprised its this difficult to install a program that isnt in the package manager [10:50] !source [10:50] You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html [10:50] sally2: you might find a ubuntu package (.deb) for the app [10:50] !build [10:50] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) [10:50] sally2: see the last link [10:50] ok [10:51] yeah sally2 what you have is the code for the program not the installer wich how it is sometimes [10:51] you would think Carrier would have instal instructions or something [10:51] boy i hope fallout 1 or 2 runs well after this [10:51] they are sort of popular [10:51] i get the feeling people are just supposed to know how to do it [10:51] sally2: ubuntu of course tries to include anything our users might want to use in the repositories. but it takes work to include those and keep them up to date [10:52] ive never used terminal...not sure if i know how to browse to the correct file ! haha [10:52] sally2: there's a bug filed which says carrier should be packaged for ubuntu [10:52] thats cool....Carrier is way better than pidigin [10:53] sally2: i use bitlbee for instant messaging. [10:54] sally2: if you unpackaded the files in a directory in your Desktop, then: cd ~/Desktop/dir_in_desktop [10:54] i need something that can manage my AIM friends and IRC friends together with tabs...im also looking for a program that has web cam support [10:54] sally2: you need to install the package build-essential to be able to build stuff [10:55] i thought i wasnt gonna have to use terminal!! [10:55] yes. [10:55] but you need the build-essential pkg [10:55] this is 2009! [10:56] sally2: you are trying to install software from sources [10:56] sally2: it's easier than it could be. [10:56] wow if did this right i will ahve latest version of wine [10:56] i just clicked that last link about compiling software hopefully thatll do the trick [10:56] cdoublejj: :) [10:56] and it looks liek the fallout has gone up on compatibility [10:56] sally2: yeah, that should include any information you need [10:56] wich means it runs better [10:56] cdoublejj: good to hear. :) [10:57] thnk you to killap for releasing those patches [10:57] do you think xubuntu runs better than gOS on a low end laptop? [10:57] he hex edited fallout.exe [10:57] gOS?? [10:57] knome_work: and Sysi: sudo do-release-upgrade says "No new release found" [10:58] yeah gos....Green OS....based on linux....it has wine preinstalled....walmart was selling pc's with gOS on em for 200 bucks [10:58] rich__: sudo do-release-upgrade -d [10:58] rich__: 9.10 is released the day after tomorrow, so it's still developmet [10:58] +n [10:58] sally2: i don't know gOS. if it's a thin client OS, it's not really comparable [10:59] i was wondering how i might go about dual booting xubuntu and gos [10:59] sally2: i don't know if that would be very useful [10:59] knome_work: ooh, that's working! [10:59] sally2: from what i looked at gOS, i suppose xubuntu would be faster [10:59] rich__: of course, i'm batman [11:00] oops, i spoiled myself ;P [11:00] Hi all I have a question I am new to xubuntu (and love it) I am currently using terminal to try and install rtorrent and am getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/302686/ (PS I don't know why its complaing about ssl I have it installed) however I think I need to edit pkg? [11:01] I'm still rather new and have been looking at google but its been to no avail. [11:01] just get Ktorrent from the package manager [11:01] gRnt: when you compile stuff, you need to have the -dev packages. [11:01] sally2: it would install a *lot* of dependencies in xubuntu [11:01] knome, can I simply sudo apt-get install pkg-dev ? [11:01] gRnt: if you only need a simple torrent client, you can use transmission [11:02] really?? thats what i did but i still havent even ued it on this computer.... [11:02] gRnt: no, i mean openssl-dev [11:02] i guess im probably wasting some space [11:02] sally2: yup, probably [11:02] sally2: you should use gtk (or gnome) apps with xubuntu, if possible to avoid masses of dependencies [11:02] Well this is more of a learning experience than anything knome_work I also like the look of the wtorrent webui, I need to learn some how as I would like to move to a server install at some point, so far so good its just google sometimes fails me. [11:02] okay [11:02] !build | gRnt [11:02] gRnt: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) [11:03] gRnt: have you read that package? [11:03] no I shall go there now thankyou [11:03] no problem [11:03] E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev [11:03] just FYI [11:03] some stuff runs faster in wine that buntu [11:04] like kega emulator runs faster in wine than a native buntu sega emulator [11:04] i have another question....i had ubuntu originally....jaunty....and then i ran some command i read online and now when i boot up the laptop i have the option of loading gnome or xfce windows manager....i always click xfce....and it runs pretty well....but am i getting the real xubuntu experience? [11:05] gRnt: it might be openssl3-dev or something like that. search for it :) [11:05] or would it run faster if i got an actual xubuntu cd and installed it from that [11:06] sally2: no, it doesn't affec that much. [11:06] sally2: if you want to remove all the ubuntu (as in ubnutu gnome) stuff, follow this: [11:06] !purexfce | sally2 [11:06] sally2: If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [11:07] i should rpobably do that becuase im on a real low end laptop and ubuntu never ran too smoothly on this [11:07] you sure are helpful knome...do you work for ubuntu? [11:07] sally2: yeah, but as i said, it doesn't affect that much. [11:08] sally2: no, i'm not paid, but i am a volunteer and work as the xubuntu marketing lead, currently [11:08] how many hours do you volunteer weekly would you say? [11:08] sally2: depends on the week, but up to 40 hours [11:09] sally2: average maybe 7-10 hours per week [11:09] thats pretty cool...is your career computer oriented? [11:10] sally2: but of course it's not only just doing that. i might be at irc and give user support, like now, whenever somebody needs it [11:10] sally2: i'm studying social service stuff, but i have an IT company [11:11] where you ever a windows user? [11:11] yeah, something like until 5 years ago [11:12] i also have been a DOS user ;) [11:12] im 23....been using windows since i was 12....we had macs before that when i was a kid [11:12] some time in 2008 i started experimenting with ubuntu [11:12] i'm 23 also, i've been using computer since i was 5 [11:13] my mom was a computer programmer in the 60s....back when an ibm computer was a whole building [11:13] :] [11:13] so i had computers from the day i was born [11:13] yeah [11:13] she was all about macs though [11:13] hehe, well back then it made a difference whether you had mac or pc [11:13] now the hardware is basically the same [11:14] what country are you in> [11:14] ? [11:14] finland [11:14] hey thats pretty cool....im actually a guy i just thought id get more help if i came in here pretending to be a girl === sally2 is now known as nick [11:15] haha :) [11:15] doesn't really matter [11:15] this is my real name [11:15] oh someone else already registered the nick "nick" === nick is now known as Guest84845 [11:15] how do you do this in xubuntu [11:15] http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/hide-removable-drive-icons-from-your-ubuntu-desktop/ === Guest84845 is now known as nick2009 [11:16] so how come youre so into xubuntu over ubuntu? the only reason i came to xubuntu is cause i have weak computers [11:16] same here [11:16] nick2009: right-click on desktop and select desktop properties/settings or something [11:16] using on a weak laptop === nick2009 is now known as nick2012 [11:17] nick2009: i was first using ubuntu, but gnome was so bloated and kept breaking so i switched to xubuntu [11:17] i hate bloated software [11:17] i like gnome [11:17] i have a good enough pc, but i still like xubuntu [11:17] is not having gnome why xubuntu is faster? [11:17] xfce is more configurable [11:17] yeah dude thats why its faster [11:17] and you can actually be productive [11:17] its that compiz program in ubuntu [11:18] cdoublejj: that's the biggest reason [11:18] cdoublejj: there is also some other app choices that make xubuntu faster [11:18] like flux box? [11:18] oh wiat would flux box make xubuntu faster? [11:18] i tell people ubuntu is better for higher end computers....its a modern os like vista....good if you have over 4gigs of memory [11:19] xubuntu is fast but if thats all you care about why dont you use Damn Small Linux knome_work [11:20] cdoublejj: yes, but it has way less features. [11:20] nick2012: the "fastness" doesn't really make so much difference with a fast pc [11:20] like? [11:21] cdoublejj: fluxbox doesn't have panels by default, you need to use a paneling software [11:21] whats the best program to use for web chat? [11:21] so then you might as well keep what ya have then [11:21] ive read amsn can do web chat [11:21] nick2012: hmm? [11:21] right.. i don't really know [11:21] i use webchat with whatever browser i have [11:21] i usually irc with irssi which i run on a server [11:21] == knome [11:22] but i can't access that now [11:22] can you do web chat over irc? [11:22] knome_work, seems I needed two dev packages, guess I might have to write them down if I want to move to a server install though haha....configure and make done! on we go [11:22] my girlfriend wants to have web chats with her friends on yahoo and msn [11:22] gRnt: great to hear:) good luck [11:22] nick2012: right, you mean instant messaging [11:22] nick2012: i think pidgin is quite good for that, if you need a gui [11:23] oh yeah not web chat i m ean video chat [11:23] i dont know why i said that [11:23] ahh, video chat [11:23] i think amsn is the only one supporting video chat on linux atm [11:23] what if i install yahoo messenger under wine? [11:23] will its video chat work? [11:23] nick2012: i suppose that would work as well [11:23] i need to go now [11:23] it wouldntneed drivers or something installed? [11:23]