[00:43] <memenode> Wake up.
[00:44] <Roey> hey
[00:45] <memenode> I'm kinda bummed by the fact that they polished GNOME-buntu so much it's tempting just looking at screenshots.. whereas in that respect kubuntu still feels kinda behind :S
[00:45] <memenode> ubuntu looks almost like OSX..
[00:46] <Roey> haha
[00:46] <Roey> btw:
[00:46] <Roey> computers are frustrating
[00:46] <Roey> ;)
[00:46] <memenode> :D
[00:46] <Roey> I've been trying to install kubuntu on mine for the past two -days-.
[00:47] <memenode> karmic?
[00:47] <Roey> right.
[00:47] <memenode> what does it do?
[00:47] <Roey> it doesn't load the raid drivers and then complains it can't find /
[00:47] <memenode> ah
[00:47] <Roey> and  no one seems to be able to help :P
[00:47] <carpii_> onboard raid ?
[00:48] <Roey> nono
[00:48] <Roey> softraid1
[00:48] <memenode> fewer people use raid :S
[00:48] <Roey> dm_raid1 driver.
[00:49] <carpii_> does gnome look much different from it did in 8.04?  The screenshots dont look polished much to me
[00:50] <Roey> it's all pos ;)
[00:50] <Roey> kde >> gnome ;)
[00:50] <carpii_> well i use kde atm
[00:50] <carpii_> its not without its problems
[00:51] <Roey> aye
[00:54] <memenode> carpii_: well that's the nature of GNOME.. everything's incremental, but feels like careful perfecting..
[00:54] <memenode> most notable in karmic is the tray area
[00:54] <carpii_> heh ok. just by what you said earlier, it sounded like it had had a sudden revamp on the gui
[00:54] <memenode> with those gray small icons which make it look very clean
[00:55] <memenode> honestly, I like KDE4 better in terms of functionality, and compared to KDE3.x it's much closer to GNOME in terms of polished look and ease..
[00:55] <memenode> but I wish it would go even further :)
[00:56] <carpii_> i hate kde 4.x.  I had to go back to 3.5
[00:56] <memenode> also.. added effort and funding on the kubuntu project could help.. I don't think they spend as much effort on it as they do on gnome
[00:56] <carpii_> but im hoping to try it again, because that was a while ago
[00:56] <memenode> which did you try?
[00:57] <carpii_> it was 4.1 i think
[00:57] <carpii_> but ignoring the bugs, i just didnt like the whole plasma concept, and the vista-like start menu
[00:57] <memenode> ah, I think 4.3 is really the first one you could call solid..
[00:57] <carpii_> seemed like a step backwards to me :(
[00:57] <memenode> ah
[00:57] <memenode> well it can be switched to classic..
[00:58] <carpii_> hm, interesting
[00:58] <carpii_> i didnt know that
[00:58] <carpii_> oh, the start menu you mean
[00:58] <carpii_> rather than the plasma/desktop thing
[00:58] <memenode> yeah
[00:59] <memenode> and plasma, well you can't turn it off as it's integral to it now, but you can configure it to make it more similar to KDE3 I think..
[00:59] <carpii_> ok, ill have another play with it
[00:59] <memenode> like, putting folder view on the entire desktop so you have normal desktop icons
[00:59] <carpii_> yeah that was my main grumble
[01:00] <carpii_> i use my desktop as a graphical wiki/dumping ground ;D
[01:00] <memenode> who doesn't :D
[01:00] <carpii_> heh well, ive seen windows laptops which are 2 year old and still only have the My Computer icon and nothing else ;D
[01:00] <memenode> tho I started kinda getting used to the folder view widget idea... it at least restraints all the icons to an area and lets you scroll then :)
[01:00] <memenode> lol
[01:04] <reagleBRKLN> /j #kde
[01:04] <memenode> Why? Anything fun going on there?
[01:26] <morecrow> Amarok is kinda terrible. I have to fight with it just to add new files to my "local collection"
[01:27] <morecrow> As far as linux programs go, its clunkyness is on par with iTunes, is there a better KDE player? I kinda miss Banshee at ths point
[01:28] <morecrow> way too much information and options and just shit spewed everywhere
[01:29] <Roey> hey do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?
[01:39] <majorjake> so will i get slapped for asking newb questions in here?
[01:39] <Roey> Do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?
[01:42] <majorjake> is it possible to setup an image to boot from USB but to use system memory for everything?
[01:49] <JJman6> has anyone setup a USB 3G modem in Kubuntu?
[01:53] <JJman6> can  anyone tell me how to get vendorid & productid of a device!  Is there a log or a cmd i can run?
[01:59] <lordeden> has anyone gotten tinychat to work with usb webcams?
[02:17] <genii> JJman6: lspci -nn
[02:18] <JJman6> for a USB device?
[02:18] <genii> (for pci devices)
[02:18] <genii> JJman6: lsusb -v
[02:18] <JJman6> what if that device isn't mounting properly  ;-)
[02:19] <genii> lsusb/lspci doesn't know about mounting
[02:22] <JJman6> can i just output that -v info for a specific device.  the output is quite lengthy
[02:23] <genii> JJman6: Not with that command
[02:31] <JJman6> genii,  I had a udev rule created to do some stuff for this USB 3G device.  and i think the rule was assigning the idVendor:idProduct (for a older model)  i tried removing that rule and reattaching my device and running the lsusb -v cmd to see if i can get an accurate id.  but to no    avail it seems to still be using hte rule
[02:32] <JJman6> How can i be sure that the output i'm now seeing is not being influenced by the rule or something else.
[02:45] <vsrinath> i have installed sun jdk 6, java plugin for firefox does not work
[02:49] <rasstar> anyone tried kubuntu netbook remix
[03:11] <Roey> Do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?  I'm using Karmic 9.10
[03:12] <vsrinath> firefox applet doesn't load
[03:15] <Roey> seems like my kernel isn't loading raid drivers... grub times out and then dumps me to a busybox shell... I do ls /dev/md* and don't see anything there, so I can only assume that the raid drivers are not loaded.  Yet they are (dm_raid* is loaded according to modprobe).  Yet the kernel panics and decides it can't find / (which is on /de/vmd1)
[03:17] <Roey> what's going on here, anyone have an idea?
[03:17] <Roey> http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c  <-- contains output of 'blkid' and contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:33] <jpedroza1> Hello. Is there a way to have GTK apps use the font settings for KDE in 9.04?
[03:33] <jpedroza1> My fonts in Firefox, Thunderbird and Pidgin are really large for menys and window titles.
[03:40] <aleksey_> всем привет
[03:40] <aleksey_> кто сказет как называется прога, через которую можно запустить винду, типа вертуальная машина
[03:41] <jpedroza1> !ru
[03:46] <gorgonzola> hello. anyone knows when or if we will have plasma-network-manager back?
[03:51] <Ninad> hi
[03:55] <JJman> hi
[03:55] <Ninad> hi guys
[03:59] <JJman> Ninad: if your using ubuntu you'll want to stick to the #ubuntu channel.   us lowely KDE ppl this channel is pretty dead
[03:59] <Ninad> really?
[03:59] <Ninad> ok
[04:00] <Ninad> actually i am Windows user
[04:00] <Ninad> I am new to Linux
[04:00] <Bwyard> im sortof new too
[04:00] <Bwyard> just started last friday
[04:00] <Ninad> I want to learn it in order to get good job in my country bcos very few people know about Kubuntu
[04:00] <Ninad> in my country
[04:01] <JJman> Kubuntu  rox.  i love it.  I prefer it over Ubuntu personally.
[04:02] <Ninad> It is prevented from Viruses
[04:02] <Ninad> isnt it?
[04:02] <Ninad> can we use .exe files in it?
[04:02] <JJman> Linux is less prone then windows to virus attacks if thats what you mean.  but you can still get virus's
[04:02] <Ninad> yeah i know
[04:03] <JJman> nately no.  .exe files  are a Winblows (i mean windows) based extension.  But you can run some windows based programs through a linux tool called Wine
[04:03] <Ninad> but very few viruses are meant for
[04:03] <Ninad> Ubuntu
[04:03] <Ninad> ohh
[04:03] <Ninad> thanks
[04:03] <Ninad> wine
[04:04] <Ninad> actually i ddint know about IRC
[04:04] <Ninad> i am new on irc also
[04:04] <JJman> I'm playing poker through Wine right now  ;-)
[04:04] <JJman> cause they don't hav ea linux based client so i am forced to run the windows client in linux
[04:04] <Ninad> my friend told me that  irc is a good channel through which i can solve my problems
[04:05] <JJman> It has its moments.  its kinda hit or miss
[04:05] <JJman> But yes overall it can be a great support tool.  I use it frequently for such
[04:05] <JJman> But when u get into more  advanced things it becomes harder to get help
[04:06] <Ninad> ohhh
[04:06] <Ninad> but thanks to IRC i can solve my  problems whenever i get them
[04:07] <JJman> i wish that were true
[04:07] <Ninad> yeah
[04:07] <JJman> I'm stuck on a problem for days and days often even with the help of IRC
[04:07] <Ninad> what about your exp. with Linux
[04:07] <Ninad> ?
[04:08] <Ninad> u didnt get help from IRC?
[04:09] <JJman> I am now
[04:09] <JJman> Originally i didn't
[04:09] <Ninad> ok
[04:09] <JJman> all my early experience was learnt the hard way.
[04:09] <Ninad> good
[04:09] <Ninad> yeah , Big Problems gives Sweet Fruits
[04:12] <Ninad> JJMAN are you there?
[04:12] <JJman> yes.  playing poker
[04:13] <Ninad> ok
[04:13] <Ninad> i would Like to tell you about my site
[04:13] <Ninad> I have made
[04:14] <Ninad> www.songsmarathi.com
[04:14] <JJman> uhh ok
[04:14] <JJman> whats that have to do with linux
[04:14] <Ninad> yeah
[04:15] <Ninad> actually it is uploaded on Linux server
[04:15] <JJman> k
[04:15] <Ninad> ok
[04:15] <Ninad> leave it
[04:15] <Ninad> Thanks
[04:15] <JJman> i built many linux servers and websites
[04:15] <Ninad> it was nice chatting with YOU
[04:15] <Ninad> really?
[04:16] <JJman> yea.  I'm a Web Dev.
[04:16] <Ninad> how much it costs you?
[04:16] <Ninad> web dev?
[04:16] <Ninad> means?
[04:16] <Ninad> dev means GOD?
[04:16] <JJman> to build servers?  nothing  Linux is free
[04:16] <JJman> lol.  no
[04:16] <JJman> Web Developer
[04:16] <Ninad> ohh
[04:17] <Ninad> in hindu dev means GOD
[04:17] <Ninad> wow
[04:17] <Ninad> u r a developer
[04:17] <JJman> some dev's think they are gods
[04:17] <Ninad> thats nice
[04:17] <JJman> i c
[04:17] <Ninad> lol
[04:17] <Ninad> actually they are GODs of Servers
[04:18] <JJman> Yea,  PHP, MySQL, CSS & linux admin are my specialties
[04:18] <Ninad> WOW
[04:18] <Ninad> how do you get that?
[04:18] <Ninad> I would love to specialize  in Linux
[04:19] <JJman> uh school, practice i guess.  I'm not working for any companies right now.  I'm helping build 1 or 2 companies tho.
[04:19] <JJman> so I'm poor  ;-)
[04:19] <JJman> the #ubuntu-server channel is helpful if your setting up server related stuff
[04:20] <Ninad> wow
[04:20] <Ninad> so nice of you
[04:20] <Ninad> I am new to Linux
[04:21] <Ninad> how do I start
[04:21] <Ninad> ?
[04:21] <Ninad> can you guide me?
[04:21] <JJman> well whats your experience
[04:21] <JJman> windows/mac?
[04:21] <JJman> i came from Windows (used to work for Microsoft actually 8-(
[04:22] <JJman> but i hate them now
[04:22] <Ninad> wow
[04:22] <JJman> so i've completely switched over to Linux full time
[04:22] <Ninad> they dont give us freedom
[04:22] <JJman> nope
[04:22] <Ninad> cool
[04:23] <JJman> Here's a good resource for you that i'd suggest.  Its been an invaluable learning tool for me in addition to IRC.
[04:23] <Ninad> where you from?
[04:23] <Ninad> which country?
[04:24] <JJman> install miroTV   and there's a bunch of linux related podcast/screencasts you can watch learn from
[04:24] <Ninad> ohh great
[04:24] <Ninad> let me check
[04:24] <JJman> I'm from the US.  but i'm living in the Philippines at the moment temporarily for a few months
[04:24] <JJman> considering relocating over here because the cost of living os so much smalleer here.  and my women is here
[04:25] <Ninad> good
[04:25] <JJman> woman (not women)  ;-)
[04:26] <Ninad> lol
[04:26] <Ninad> only one woman
[04:26] <JJman> in this country yes  ;-)
[04:27] <JJman> u install MiroTV yet?
[04:27] <Ninad> how manny you have
[04:27] <Ninad> ?
[04:27] <Ninad> i am searching for MiroTV
[04:27] <JJman> its a secret  ;-)
[04:27] <Ninad> is it there in package installer?
[04:28] <JJman> yea
[04:28] <JJman> or u can do a sudo apt-get install miro from cmd line
[04:28] <Ninad> ok
[04:28] <Ninad> tell me the commands
[04:29] <JJman> that is the cmd
[04:29] <JJman> sudo apt-get install miro
[04:29] <JJman> having lunch now be back shortly
[04:29] <Ninad> ok
[04:29] <Ninad> but
[04:29] <Ninad> its not
[04:30] <Ninad> getting miro package
[04:30] <JJman> do you know what the terminal is
[04:30] <Ninad> yes
[04:30] <Ninad> I know
[04:30] <Ninad> where do we type commands to get output from them
[04:30] <Ninad> Its Like DOS
[04:30] <Ninad> is Microsoft
[04:31] <JJman> open up your terminal
[04:32] <Ninad> yeah I did
[04:32] <Ninad> now
[04:32] <Ninad> ?
[04:32] <JJman> its a little different name then KDE's  which is what i use.  i forget
[04:32] <Ninad> ohhh
[04:32] <JJman> now type:  sudo apt-get install miro
[04:33] <Ninad> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:33] <Ninad> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install miro
[04:33] <Ninad> Reading package lists... Done
[04:33] <Ninad> Building dependency tree
[04:33] <Ninad> Reading state information... Done
[04:33] <FloodBotK2> Ninad: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:33] <Ninad> E: Couldn't find package miro
[04:34] <JJman> hmmm  i thought it was part of repo's  i'm sure it is tahts how i installed it.
[04:34] <JJman> open your synaptics package manager and search for 'miro'
[04:35] <Ninad> i have done
[04:35] <Ninad> it
[04:35] <Ninad> but
[04:35] <Ninad> i didnt get anything
[04:35] <FloodBotK2> Ninad: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:35] <JJman> weird
[04:35] <docgnome> I'm trying to install the nvidia driver via the hardware drivers app but when i select it and click activate nothing happens
[04:35] <JJman> what version u using
[04:35] <JJman> 9.04?
[04:35] <Ninad> yeah
[04:36] <Ninad> ubuntu 9.04
[04:37] <JJman> ok i guess you'll have to DL it from their site:  http://www.getmiro.com/download/
[04:38] <Ninad> thanks
[04:38] <Ninad> let me see it
[04:38] <JJman> ok my bad i guess i added it to the repo's thats why i had it already
[04:38] <JJman> the instructions on their dl page will tell u how to install it
[04:42] <Ninad> ok
[04:42] <Ninad> wait
[04:42] <JJman> yes
[04:43] <docgnome> any ideas what i can try to get this thing workin? it's broken for me in both 9.04 and 9.10
[04:43] <JJman> its probably going to stay broken since i don't know what a 'thing' is
[04:45] <docgnome> JJman: the driver install app
[04:45] <docgnome> jockey-kde
[04:45] <docgnome> just does nothing when i try to activate the nvidia driver i need
[04:45] <JJman> never used it.  so i can't help
[04:46] <Ninad> Ohh jjman
[04:46] <Ninad> i am not getting it
[04:46] <docgnome> ugh
[04:46] <Ninad> I ddi whatever the instructions told me to do
[04:47] <JJman> Ninad:  can u be more specific.  what was the problem.  what errors are u having
[04:48] <Ninad> ok
[04:48] <Ninad> let me tell
[04:48] <Ninad> you
[04:49] <Ninad> #
[04:49] <Ninad> Open Synaptic Package Manager
[04:49] <Ninad> #
[04:49] <Ninad> Open the repositories window
[04:49] <Ninad> #
[04:49] <FloodBotK2> Ninad: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:49] <Ninad> Select the "Third Party" tab, then click the add button
[04:49] <JJman> You can't paste a bunch of lines in here.  u need to use pastebin.com  or something.  the floodbot will kick u
[04:50] <Ninad> ohh
[04:50] <Ninad> sorry
[04:50] <JJman> just pm me it'll be easier that way
[04:51] <Ninad> I am not getting add source button
[04:51] <Ninad> :(
[04:52] <docgnome> ok well how do i "activate" the nvidia driver after installing it from apt? i understand that touching the xorg.conf in ubuntu is a cardinal sin
[04:52] <JJman> says who
[04:53] <JJman> i touch it all the time
[04:53] <nevyn> docgnome: it should justwork[TM]
[04:53] <docgnome> that's just what i've been told
[04:53] <docgnome> nevyn: yeah so i'm told. problem is that's a load of crap -_-
[04:53] <JJman> sometimes u need to edit it to do what u want
[04:53] <docgnome> nevyn: it might "just work" if the stupid jocky-kde panel thing worked
[04:54] <Ninad> hey jjman
[04:54] <Ninad> can you give me ur ID?
[04:54] <docgnome> JJman: yeah i'm trying to avoid doing anything that would cause breakage for another user. i understood that messing with xorg.conf can/will break all the display related configs
[04:54] <Ninad> I will ask you as soon as i get difficulties
[04:54] <JJman> JJman
[04:55] <JJman> docgnome: thats why youalways make a backup copy or it before you make any changes!  Rule #1
[04:55] <JJman> back it up
[04:56] <docgnome> ugh. gee thanks.
[04:56] <JJman> Rule #2 :  back it up again
[05:00] <efirmino> hello peoples
[05:09] <docgnome> ugh
[05:09] <docgnome> is there a way to generate an xorg.conf. i don't appear to have one
[05:12] <JJman> Xorg -configure
[05:18] <wt> docgnome: you shouldn't need one
[05:18] <wt> docgnome: unless something is wrong
[05:19] <docgnome> wt: so everyone says
[05:19] <docgnome> but i can't activate the nvidia driver
[05:20] <wt> oh...yeah, you might need it for that
[05:20] <wt> I don't know anything about nvidia
[05:20] <wt> I don't buy their products
[05:21] <postfuturist> Has anyone else noticed how 'screen' in Kubuntu has a bunch of stuff at the bottom of the screen that doesn't exist in regular Ubuntu?
[05:22] <wt> no, I have my own screen config
[05:22] <wt> I have the tabs showing on the bottom
[05:23] <docgnome> it's not my ox
[05:23] <docgnome> er
[05:23] <docgnome> box
[05:23] <docgnome> it's someone elses that im trying to crap kubuntu onto
[05:23] <wt> "crap kubuntu onto"?
[05:24] <wt> Is that a really offensive way to say "install"?
[05:24] <docgnome> cram
[05:24] <docgnome> not crap
[05:24] <docgnome> typo
[05:24] <docgnome> sorry
[05:24] <FloodBotK2> docgnome: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:24] <wt> oh...:)
[05:24] <docgnome> FloodBotK2: bite me
[05:24] <docgnome> how do i kill x so that it won't come back up again
[05:25] <docgnome> i need to take it down to i can use Xorg -configure
[05:25] <wt> docgnome: you use kubuntu?
[05:25] <docgnome> on this box yeah
[05:25] <wt> service kdm stop
[05:25] <wt> as root
[05:25] <docgnome> thanks
[05:25] <wt> np
[05:26] <wt> I doubt hat X -configure will work without post editing for nVidia
[05:26] <postfuturist> nothing shows up for 'screen' in regular Ubuntu, no tabs or anything
[05:26] <wt> postfuturist: I have mine configured to do so
[05:27] <docgnome> yeah it has nvidia in there already
[05:27] <wt> hardstatus alwayslastline '%{= bw}%-w%{= bR}[%n %t]%{= bw}%+w'
[05:27] <wt> that's the import part of my screen config
[05:32] <Metalisia> emr
[05:37] <wt> What does emr mean?
[05:37] <Metalisia> no..
[05:55] <eatThisAndDie> guys how do i see what version of the target package will be installed?
[05:55] <eatThisAndDie> i was told that apt-show-version can be used for this,
[05:55] <eatThisAndDie> but i have no idea hwo that wors
[05:56] <eatThisAndDie> works*
[06:11] <jussi01> eatThisAndDie: apt-cache policy <package>
[06:16] <eatThisAndDie> jussi, how would i select a particular version to install then?
[07:00] <CheapSexAndBooze> hello
[07:02] <jussi01> CheapSexAndBooze: please change your nick to something family friendly. thanks
[07:02] <CheapSexAndBooze> is that why nobody will talk to me
[07:02] <CheapSexAndBooze> ?
[07:03] <jussi01> CheapSexAndBooze: If you dont, I need to remove you from the channel, so please do it :)
[07:03] <wt> jussi01: thank you
[07:04] <kniggit> there you fucking happy
[07:04] <kniggit> why will nobody talk to me
[07:05] <jussi01> !language | kniggit
[07:05] <jussi01> kniggit: I am talking to you...
[07:06] <kniggit> whats wrong with sex and booze of the cheap variety
[07:06] <kniggit> hello
[07:06] <wt> What is up with people tonight?
[07:07] <jussi01> !o4o | kniggit
[07:07] <kniggit> what the *uck
[07:08] <wt> jussi01: thank you
[07:08] <wt> what is with people?
[07:08] <wt> Do they really have nothing better to do?
[07:24] <lun4tic> hi
[07:25] <lun4tic> Does anyone know a KDE client or Kioslave for the mercurial version controll system?
[07:25] <lun4tic> google only found some gnome stuff
[07:39] <luk> Hi!
[07:40] <wt> hi
[07:41] <wt> I'm about to head to bed...Do you have a quick one?
[07:41] <luk> yes please
[07:41] <wt> make it quick...it's almost 01:00 here. :)
[07:42] <luk> i would to know if i install windows xp in a virtualmachine, and i'll install scanner driver, the scanner will work?
[07:43] <wt> that probably depends on the emulation software
[07:43] <wt> I can say that I don't know
[07:43] <luk> i'm using virtualbox3.0
[07:43] <luk> ah ok thanks :)
[07:43] <wt> sorry
[07:43] <luk> :)
[07:44] <wt> If it's a USB scanner, the virtualbox would have to support the gues OS binding to the USB device....or it would have to support an emulated scanner
[07:44] <wt> I would think that option 1 is more likely
[07:44] <wt> anywho, g'nite
[07:45] <luk> good night :)
[08:06] <rethus> hi there. I wan't to change from suse to kubuntu. I'm not shiure, should i use 64bit, or 32bit? And is a migration from suse 32bit different as a normal migration to kubuntu?
[08:15] <rethus> not many traffic here for 253 users
[08:17] <dmatt> rethus: 64 is ok and supports more than 3GB RAM by default, what do you want to migrate?
[08:17] <rethus> my kdee 4.1.2 data
[08:18] <rethus> so, maybe i upgrad before to 4.2 and than migrate
[08:18] <dmatt> you will have 4.3.2 in karmic which is going to be released today
[08:20] <rethus> dmatt, yes, i will have it, but first, i wan't to upgrade till newest version that suse let me do... cause suse not realy everytime up-to-date
[08:20] <dmatt> rethus: thats major differenece to 4.1.x, kde setting probably won't be compatible across major upgrades
[08:21] <rethus> how did i upgrade in best way?
[08:22] <dmatt> rethus: maybe try it on testing partition first... backup old home, install karmic, than copy data from old home and setup KDE the way you like it from scrqatch
[08:23] <dmatt> rethus: data I mean documents 'n stuff, not KDE settings
[08:23] <rethus> whats karmic? New realease? I have some days before loaded 9.04 jaunty
[08:23] <maco> yes its coming out thursday
[08:23] <maco> 9.10
[08:23] <rethus> but is this stable?
[08:23] <rethus> i'm not living on the edge
[08:24] <dmatt> kubuntu 9.10 is about to be released
[08:24] <maco> yep yep new stable release thursday
[08:24] <rethus> :) nice thing
[08:24] <maco> they're making the cd images now
[08:24] <maco> my roommate just tested a handful
[08:25] <dmatt> rethus: if not, better go for jaunty, it is much more ironed and you can still upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3, just check kubuntu.org for instructions
[08:25] <rethus> yes, thats one big reason, i change to kubuntu... the nice clean dist-upgrade
[08:26] <rethus> debian-like, but newer repos as debian
[08:26] <dmatt> rethus: test liveCD first to insure your hw is compatible
[08:26] <rethus> i have no exotic hardware
[08:26] <rethus> but thanks for this hint, i'll try it
[08:28] <dmatt> rethus: i am not sure it always be nice clean dist-upgrade, if you stay with official repos it should work reasonably well
[08:29] <bigbrovar> anyone experiencing this bug on karmic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/447844 inability to use more than one sound device at a time
[08:31] <rethus> dmatt: so thanks for your tipps. I have a old P3 here, so i'll try to make a copy to this machine, and want to test the migration. If i know how, i will upgrade my real-system
[08:32] <rethus> dmatt: but agani, what should i use? 64bit or 32bit
[08:32] <rethus> are there differents in filesystem (now i have ext3, maybe want migrate to ext4)
[08:32] <dmatt> rethus: what is the target syste,?
[08:32] <dmatt> system
[08:32] <rethus> is ext3 32bit and ext3 64bit the same?
[08:32] <rethus> target i wan't to use the new ext4
[08:33] <rethus> and target ist kubuntu jaunty
[08:33] <dmatt> rethus: ext3 or ext4 has actually nothing to do with 32 or 64
[08:33] <rethus> ok.
[08:33] <rethus> means the bit are only the handling of cpu?
[08:33] <dmatt> rethus: I mean specs of target system, because you cannot put 64 on P3
[08:34] <rethus> dmatt: jes, i know. Its an old machine... there i only want to test the migration from kde suse to kde kubuntu
[08:34] <rethus> or does the config-files of 32 and 64 different?
[08:34] <rethus> i think not?!
[08:35] <dmatt> rethus: i don't think so, should be same
[08:35] <rethus> but what the realy plus for 64bit ?
[08:36] <rethus> my machine iss amd 64 3000+
[08:36] <dmatt> rethus: some multimedia stuff runs faster
[08:36] <rethus> "not" x2
[08:37] <kzc> Yop all
[08:38] <dmatt> rethus: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[08:39] <dmatt> rethus: 64 does >3GB of memory with standard kernel
[08:41] <rethus> but seems the differences are not so big
[08:41] <rethus> does all software on linux able at 64bit?
[08:41] <rethus> or more on 32bit?
[08:42] <dmatt> rethus: everything should be fine, it has much improved last 2-3 years
[08:42] <dmatt> rethus: i'm always installing 64, if possible
[08:49] <rethus> i've read, ther are 64 bit filesystems out there... which one would it be for linux
[08:51] <dmatt> rethus: don't know, ext4 is fairly new and advanced
[08:53] <rethus> ok, thanks
[08:55] <robinp_> i just read that NTFS is actually a 64-bit file system, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the *nix ones are 64 already anyhow
[09:19] <Yunque> buenos dias
[09:33] <dobri> hei
[09:33] <dobri> zdraweitee
[09:33] <dobri> kak ste
[10:17] <fire_> hello
[10:17] <fire_> con anyone help me?
[10:18] <awayguy_> so android works on htc touch?
[10:20] <danisahne> hi all
[10:21] <danisahne> i just use debian atm and want to upgrade to kubuntu
[10:21] <danisahne> i have an envy24ht soundcard using optical output
[10:21] <danisahne> i just only got it working with oss
[10:21] <danisahne> not with alsa
[10:22] <danisahne> is it possible? sb. has experience?
[10:24] <danisahne> i just tested it with the kubuntu and ubuntu live cd with the ubuntu one it works with the digital output with kubuntu not
[10:24] <danisahne> but normally it has to work without a problem or?
[10:24] <danisahne> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724#Terratec_Aureon_7.1_Space_.28Debian.29
[10:25] <danisahne> that should work i think
[10:25] <danisahne> no one has ever used digital output with kubuntu?
[10:25] <Jimbo717> I'm trying out the Kubuntu RC (I'm a Gnome user usually), I've installed several new wallpapers using the "Get new wallpapers" function, but I have no idea where the pictures have been saved. They don't appear to be in usr/share/wallpaper which seems to be the default folder for wallpapers. Am I being an idiot here or is this install wallpaper feature supposed to hide the pictures from me as part of a sadistic test.
[10:25] <Jimbo717> arg paste fail
[10:25] <danisahne> try kvirc
[10:26] <h5> any1 got an idea why amarok is playing mp3s from /home but no audio on the other hdd's ?
[10:26] <danisahne> the best iu think
[10:26] <danisahne> h5: kde3 or kde4?
[10:26] <h5> kde4
[10:26] <h5> marok2
[10:27] <h5> a
[10:27] <h5> karmic
[10:27] <danisahne> will have a look one second
[10:27] <h5> thx
[10:28] <danisahne> i dont know if its possible to have your collection on different folders
[10:28] <danisahne> i just can add one
[10:28] <h5> noo ,..just drag&drop from dolphin
[10:29] <danisahne> ah ok sry but never used :/
[10:29] <h5> but collection on different folders should also work
[10:30] <danisahne> yes work :)
[10:31] <danisahne> anybody has digital output running?
[10:32] <danisahne> or is the use of a .asoundrc a problem?
[10:33] <danisahne> perhaps the person who could help me is sleeping ;)
[10:40] <dmatt> danisahne: do you have any errors or something? how does it "not work"?
[10:40] <dmatt> danisahne: (i do not have digital output, it is just strange it doesn't work only in kubuntu)... tried to change sound settings?
[10:41] <danisahne> yes but cant change the sound device order
[10:41] <danisahne> under settings->multimedia
[10:43] <danisahne> no button or to stupid to find :)
[10:44] <dmatt> just choose one and on the bottom there are prefer, defer and test buttons (at least in jaunty)
[10:45] <danisahne> ill be back :)
[11:07] <danisahne_> dmatt: back just swithed on laptop so i can try out on my ws
[11:25] <ewoerner> hi
[11:26] <ewoerner> are there any ppa packages for qt 4.6?
[11:26] <delight> qt 4.6 will be used in kde4.4 as far as I know
[11:28] <ewoerner> yeah, i know
[11:28] <ewoerner> i need qt packages for development
[11:33] <alien187> ciao
[11:34] <alien187> !list
[11:39] <andre> ahoj, mohl by mi nekdo poradit, proc kdyz dam alt-tab a chci vyvolat jedno z oken, tak to musim potvrdit klikem (kdysi mi stacilo pustit alt-tab s mysi nad tim oknem)?
[11:48] <dmatt> danisahne_: i'm back to computer too
[11:48] <delight> I have a little prob with the battery-plasmoid not beeing able to adjust the brightness of the screen since karmic ... on jaunty with kde 4.3.2 it was working good ... what package is this plasmoid in ? I would like to fill a bug about it
[11:49] <dmatt> ewoerner: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[11:49] <delight> dmatt: thnx
[11:50] <dmatt> delight: my answer was to ewoerner question
[11:50] <delight> i see
[11:50] <dmatt> delight: concernign your problem, i'm not sure it is actualy plasmoid problem
[11:51] <delight> no i just wanted to know what the package name is so i can fill a bug about it (of course with my configuration etc.)
[11:52] <dmatt> delight: sorry but i don't know which package it should be
[11:53] <ewoerner> dmatt: thanks, will do
[11:53] <delight> dmatt: thank you anyways ... i will try to find out what the package is that contains the battery-monitor-plasmoid
[11:59] <Luggage> anyone use the program OpenFTD?
[12:00] <Tm_T> Luggage: not me, why asking?
[12:06] <Luggage> just thought i'd throw it out there maybe get lucky and find someone online live with same experience as me to help me out ;)
[12:07] <Luggage> while surfing forums looking for help :)
[12:08] <Tm_T> Luggage: what's the problem? someone might know how to help anyway
[12:08] <Tm_T> !someone | Luggage
[12:08] <Luggage> it installed gnome stuff as a dependency and on next start it booted gnome desktop instead of kubuntu desktop, got kubuntu desktop back normally by choosing kde in login screen but would like to rid the gnome files it installed, gnome-desktop doesnt appear installed in synaptic so I'm not sure how to clean out the files safely (very new to linux)
[12:09] <Luggage> because im thinking maybe some openftd specific knowledge might be required ? :)
[12:09] <Tm_T> !purekde
[12:10]  * Luggage follows link
[12:10] <Tm_T> Luggage: not in that issue, no
[12:10] <Luggage> thanks ubottu
[12:10] <Luggage> is it just me or is the linux community much more friendly and responsive (and willing to just talk) ?
[12:11] <Tm_T> Luggage: well, atleast in Ubuntu community it's main point to help each other in best way we can, I think
[12:11] <Luggage> well going to check out the link :)
[12:12] <Luggage> I noticed other "support" communities and such being very unfriendly, no negative experience yet dealing with linux though, very nice :)
[12:13] <Luggage> (im only 2 days old in linux terms, apart from using a backtrack live cd as a tool fixing pc's)
[12:24] <Luggage> -.- okay blind, can just check exactly what openftd supposedly depends on checking the history window of synaptic
[12:30] <newbie> I  m new to ubuntu, I have installed kubuntu 6.06 on my PC and want to upgrade it to the latest but when i run command #apt-get dist-upgrade  nothing happens
[12:31] <newbie> any solution ???
[12:32] <jussi01> newbie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:33] <Luggage> don you need to use super user for apt-get sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:33] <Tm_T> Luggage: sudo does the trick
[12:34] <Luggage> sorry just a noob but trying to help anyways :)
[12:34] <Tm_T> Luggage: heh, it wasn't that simple this time in newbies case
[12:36] <Luggage> can you save a dependency tree of an app to a file somehow? to cross check with what got installed the day i installed openftd (installing lots and checking stuff out)
[12:36] <newbie> Actually i m using KUBUNTU no ubunut and that link was for ubuntu not kubuntu
[12:36] <jussi01> newbie: there are commanline bits in there if you need it
[12:36] <Luggage> openftd was a mistake feels like one of those "free" windows apps that come bloated with toolbar this browser app that.
[12:37] <newbie> jussi01: i used #apt-get dist-upgrade but was unable to upgrade my OS
[12:37] <jussi01> newbie: thats incorrect. theres a kubuntu bit just under the ubuntu part.
[12:37] <jussi01> newbie: please read the whole page until you get to the kubuntu upgrade part
[12:39] <jussi01> Luggage: whats the package name do you know?
[12:39]  * jussi01 is trying to figure out what openftd is
[12:39] <Luggage> openftd but you need to add the openftd repository
[12:40] <jussi01> ahh
[12:40] <Luggage> openftd is an interface to check out the (windows) ftd database on linux
[12:40] <Luggage> it's a dutch community about usenet
[12:40] <jussi01> Luggage: in any case: "apt-cache depends <packagename>" (no sudo) should do it.
[12:40] <Luggage> they list what gets posted on usenet, comment if its virus free etc.
[12:41] <Luggage> a pirate bay-ish thing but for usenet sorta lol :)
[12:43] <Luggage> ftd on windows is quite good but openftd irks me, maybe if I wasn so new to linux, but it installed a browser, mail client etc as dependencies and that reminds me of the type of windows apps that come loaded with toolbars and crap
[12:43] <Luggage> and thanks for the apt-get answer :)
[12:43] <jussi01> Luggage: which browser?
[12:45] <Luggage> let me check I think it needs it to use its rendering engine in the app (the data is presented with html inside the app)
[12:46] <Luggage> epiphany
[12:46] <Luggage> evolution mail client
[12:47] <Luggage> didn ask for either specifically
[12:47] <Luggage> nautilus gnomeś file manager
[12:48] <Luggage> think im better off removing openftd + dependencies ? autoremove was it?
[12:48] <noaXess> hi all
[12:48] <Luggage> hello noaxess
[12:48] <noaXess> how can i enable dual monitor settings over system settings?
[12:49] <Luggage> no clue :)
[12:50] <Luggage> kickoff -> computer -> settings -> display?
[12:50] <Luggage> hang around someone will surely be able to help, just not me *blush*
[12:54] <noaXess> Luggage: that i have found.. but there is no option for multiple monitors.. but my test notebook has a external vga.. hm..
[12:54] <Luggage> im just new to linux myself.
[12:55] <Luggage> you will probably need to do some command line work and for that I can not really help much yet
[12:55] <noaXess> ok.. so.. if i can help you :)
[12:55] <Bou_lunch> noaXess: what brand is your graphic card?
[12:56] <noaXess> Bou: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[12:56] <Bou> i'll be no help then, sorry :)
[12:57] <noaXess> Bou: i think it's just an external connector.. not really xinerama or twinview conpatible.. old acer notebook
[12:57] <Bou> noaXess: though, i have a multiple monitors entrance in the display settings
[12:57] <noaXess> if i start the notebook with connected external monitor then only the external comes up
[12:57] <Luggage> noaxess: just googling a bit http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-488185.html
[12:57] <Bou> ahah.
[12:57] <Luggage> dunno what exactly the problem is but the ubuntu forums are great
[12:59] <Luggage> about dual monitor support http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174 worth checking out perhaps
[13:00] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[13:00] <Luggage> hi blue
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi Luggage
[13:03] <noaXess> hi BluesKaj.. was up? t'day
[13:05] <newbie> When i open adept manager full upgrade and safe upgrade options are disabled
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hey noaXess, not much so far , jut having my morning coffee..how about you ?
[13:06] <noaXess> BluesKaj: how.. morning coffeee, long time ago :).. it's 14:00; 2:00 pm here :)
[13:06] <noaXess> so .. need noon coffee..
[13:06] <BluesKaj> newbie, try the konsole , sudo aptitude update , then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[13:07] <kaddy> hi
[13:08] <Luggage> if I installed an app with a lot of dependencies (inc a lot of stuff I really didn ask for, (browser, mail client, gnome desktop.....) and want to remove it and all the dependencies it installed $sudo apt-get autoremove [package] is the way to do it?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> noaXess, it's 9:08 AM here in Ontario Canada
[13:08] <BluesKaj> hi kaddy
[13:09] <newbie> BluesKaj: got that, actually all the repositories were disabled now enabled them . .
[13:09] <newbie> working :)
[13:09] <noaXess> BluesKaj: so.. then another day working on os systems :)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> newbie, yeah , that helps :)
[13:10] <laboratorio> Good morning
[13:11] <BluesKaj> noaXess, well , linux/kubuntu is like a hobby for me ..I'm retired so I work for wifey now :)
[13:11] <laboratorio> HI
[13:11] <BluesKaj> good morning laboratorio
[13:12] <noaXess> hey laboratorio
[13:12] <noaXess> BluesKaj: wifey?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> yeah wifey=wife , she's the boss :)
[13:13] <laboratorio> I dont speak inglish
[13:13] <laboratorio> Vous parlez français?
[13:13] <laboratorio> Ou portugues?
[13:13] <Luggage> no et no :(
[13:13] <BluesKaj> !fr | laboratorio
[13:14] <BluesKaj> !pt | laboratorio
[13:16] <laboratorio> Merci
[13:18] <dmatt> noaXess: still interested in dual monitors?
[13:18] <noaXess> dmatt: yes.. but it works now :)
[13:18] <noaXess> never used it on that old acer notebook.. and now it work..
[13:19] <dmatt> noaXess: lucky day for you, isn't it?
[13:19] <alfiere> hi to all
[13:20] <noaXess> dmatt: jep.. :)
[13:22] <laboratorio> #ubunto-fr
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> ey dudes
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> go fix mplayer
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> Resolving 209.73.189.72 for AF_INET6...
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: 209.73.189.72
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> Connecting to server 209.73.189.72[209.73.189.72]: 80...
[13:29] <FloodBotK2> KingOfDos|lap: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> WTF is the thing doing with AF_INET6?
[13:29] <KingOfDos|lap> it's an freaking IPv4 host
[13:29] <Pici> KingOfDos|lap: Please calm down.
[13:30] <Pici> KingOfDos|lap: If you think this is a bug then it should be logged into launchpad.
[13:30] <Pici> !bugs
[13:30] <KingOfDos|lap> i've got no clue if it's an bug
[13:30] <KingOfDos|lap> i'm not an developer
[13:30] <KingOfDos|lap> so won't care ;)
[13:34] <KingOfDos|lap> </user perspective>
[13:34] <KingOfDos|lap> it's that i've got an launchpad acc, but still
[13:34] <KingOfDos|lap> mplayer is always crappy, the same as flash
[13:35] <KingOfDos|lap> so why should i report bugs? because everybody knows that it's crap?
[13:36] <Pici> KingOfDos|lap: Thats a very poor attitude to take. If no one reports an issue, how would the developers know that the issue exists?
[13:37] <KingOfDos> Pici: i'd understand that. because i'm an webdeveloper. but i'd try to say that not everybody knows how that things work ;)
[13:38] <KingOfDos> but it's also an poor attitude of the linux community, to think "always" that someone has the knowledge to submit an bug
[13:38] <KingOfDos> and i'm saying that from an general user viewpoint, not my own viewpoint (because i've got some clue left in my brains) ;)
[13:39] <Luggage> with consumers it's usually the complaining that tells support there is a bug, they ask error code, you give error code, they know where to look for it. no knowledge by user required (commercial company anyway, used to work for ms support)
[13:41] <KingOfDos> indeed, but with the linux community. most people expect that everyone is an developer
[13:41] <Pici> KingOfDos: I made an assumption since you came in here with what looks like output from debugging the problem.
[13:42] <KingOfDos> Pici: i know a bit howto debug stuff. but i was talkin in "general" linux ;)
[13:42] <KingOfDos> in my case i'd just can drop it into launchpad
[13:43] <Luggage> so im guessing there is no way of easily and neatly retroactively removing an app and its zillion dependencies if you didn install it with aptitude? damned lol
[13:45] <dmatt> Luggage: remove the package and then remove dependencies with sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:47] <noaXess> ok... what is preffered app for playing a swf file?..
[13:50] <Luggage> what i thought untill i was reading some forum posts bout problems with autoremove, scared me off :)
[13:50] <Luggage> already had to install kubuntu twice in the past 2 days since i got it due to botching up trying to get nvidia drivers running lol
[13:50] <Luggage> in websites?
[13:51] <Luggage> i get the flash plugin from adobe for mozilla browsers through apt-get
[13:52] <Luggage> adobe is the comany who makes flash since they bought macromedia so i prefer their plugin
[13:53] <Luggage> package name is flashplugin-installer if you use netscape or mozilla browsers (firefox e.g.)
[13:53] <lem__> hi...I downloaded the
[13:53] <lem__> sorry
[13:53] <lem__> I downloaded de RC
[13:54] <lem__> will i be able to fully upgrade by means of the updates?
[13:55] <Luggage> question on my mind is why you didnt wait 1 more day and just get karmic then :)
[13:55] <lem__> i just culdn't
[13:55] <lem__> couldn't
[13:55] <Luggage> but yes think so, judging by the guides on ubuntu forums and such on how to upgrade the previous versions to this one e.g.
[13:56] <Luggage> (this one, mine being the last final jaunty i believe?)
[13:56] <Luggage> sorry new to this myself
[13:56] <lem__> I downloaded the netbook remix
[13:56] <lem__> it's wonderfull
[13:57] <Luggage> well if you mean updating to karmic koala, karmic koala isn out yet today
[13:57] <Luggage> 1 day left to release accoring to kubuntu.org
[13:57] <Luggage> so thats why you cant update to it yet
[13:57] <Luggage> am i making any sense? lol :) im really not sure :p
[13:58] <Tm_T> lem__: yes RC will update nicely
[13:58] <Tm_T> or, atleast should
[13:58] <Luggage> :)
[13:59] <laboratorio> Ho yes
[14:00] <lem__> no I meant i dow:)
[14:00] <lem__> :)
[14:00] <lem__> the netbook remix works fine
[14:00] <lem__> execpt for the widgets
[14:00] <lem__> sometimes they have a life of their own
[14:00] <FloodBotK2> lem__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:00] <lem__> :)
[14:27] <dobri> nqkoi ot bulgaria ima li?
[14:32] <pavelludiq> az sum bg
[14:37] <michote> Hi I'm new to KDE and on Kamic RC. Is there any chance in Kmail to put the signature into a template? E.g.: Forwarded...Signature %QOUTE
[14:38] <dobri> me 2
[14:38] <noaXess> are there other tools to play a swf file? i tried gnash.. it works.. but is alpha.. vlc won't.. yes, firefox do it.. but.. :)
[14:38] <Pici> !karmic
[14:39] <michote> I know. I'm not new to Ubuntu! Just to KDE.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> !logs
[14:42] <michote> I found nothing about this. I can put the signature above or under the template in kmail but I really like the %CURSER Tag and Yould like to use it above my signature. Any help?
[14:53] <alfiere> someone of italy?
[14:53] <maco> !it
[14:57] <mpower_bmw> !ro
[15:22] <noaXess> !swf
[15:22] <noaXess> !flash
[15:22] <noaXess> !gnash
[15:24] <noaXess> does anybody know another tool then gnash to play a swf file?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> vlc
[15:25] <sfears> is there an official channel for 9.10?
[15:25] <noaXess> BluesKaj: vlc won't play a swf..
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yes ubuntu+1
[15:26] <sfears> thanks
[15:26] <noaXess> have vlc 1.0.2 and it won't :(
[15:26] <BluesKaj> noaXess, odd, flash plays on my setup
[15:26] <tennis> I installed xubuntu and everything works great except that the fan will not stop running.  This does not occur when I operate XP.  I have researced the forums and noticed others with the same problem but yet a solution was not provided.  I am brand new to Linux (2 Days) so please don't blow me away here.  Thanks for your help.
[15:26] <noaXess> BluesKaj: hm.. with vlc? special lib installed?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> noaXess, got a URL or link so i can verify ?
[15:28] <noaXess> BluesKaj: ok.. wait
[15:30] <BluesKaj> tennis, open system settings / advanced /desktop search , and uncheck nepomuk semantic desktop...it's a bug , but i haven't reported it.
[15:31] <Shockrates> hi
[15:32] <Shockrates> i would like to open systemsettings->aboutme as a admin using the konsole
[15:32] <Shockrates> what command do i need
[15:32] <Shockrates> (opening a gui i mean)
[15:32] <noaXess> BluesKaj: got it?
[15:33] <noaXess> BluesKaj: in firefox it works.. but want run it with a layer.. in vlc it won't in gnash i can't hide the menubar
[15:34] <BluesKaj> noaXess, hang on , I
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I'm doing a wget
[15:35] <noaXess> ok
[15:35] <ugur> hi all how will i be able to upgrade my kubuntu jaunty to kubuntu karmic tomorrow?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> noaXess, hmm, won't play here either ...seems odd to me
[15:39] <tennis> blueskaj - where do i find the systems settings in order to uncheck nepomuk, etc.?  Peace!
[15:40] <noaXess> BluesKaj: so.. :) what?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> ugur, best is to use update mangaer , launch : update-manager -d in the terminal
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tennis, look in the kmenu
[15:41] <ugur> it is not installed should i install it?
[15:41] <Shockrates> kde doesnt support gksudo command?
[15:41] <Pici> BluesKaj: Thats *only* to upgrade to the development release. -d should not be used otherweise.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> ugur, yes install it
[15:42] <ugur> use kdesudo instead
[15:42] <Shockrates> The program 'gksudo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[15:42] <Shockrates> sudo apt-get install gksu
[15:43] <Shockrates> ok how can i open system settings --> about me?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Pici, oops sorry sudo update-manager in the terminal or kdesudo update-manager in the run box
[15:43] <Shockrates> kdesudo ....
[15:43] <tennis> BluesKaj - I'm 2 days into this so bare w/me.  where is the kmenu
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Shockrates, this is kde /kubuntu
[15:44] <Shockrates> i use kubuntu
[15:44] <ugur> yes i think i shouldn't install some unKDE application just to upgrade
[15:44] <Shockrates> i need to open this gui  (system settings ->about me) using the kdesudo command in terminal
[15:44] <BluesKaj> gksu is for gnome desktop users  kde uses kdesudo
[15:45] <Shockrates> i didnt know
[15:45] <Shockrates> ok kdesudo and then what? whats the name of the gui (about me)
[15:45] <Shockrates> or system settings
[15:45] <Shockrates> in general
[15:46] <BluesKaj> tennis , do you see a stylized blue "K"  icon , prolly on the left hand side of your panel
[15:46] <Pici> Shouldn't those tools prompt you for root access if they need to change things that your user doesnt have access to?
[15:46] <ugur> There is an option called dist-upgrade in apt-get command | Will it work tomorrow so that i upgrade my jaunty to karmic without any problem?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> tennis, it's where the start button is in windows
[15:47] <Pici> ugur: No. dist-upgrade is not for installing new releases.
[15:47] <Shockrates> can someone tell me
[15:47] <Shockrates> how to open system settings gui from konsole
[15:48] <tennis> BluesKay - no i do not see a K icon
[15:48] <ugur> Pici: Also there is an option upgrade which one should i use?
[15:48] <Bou> Shockrates: systemsettings
[15:48] <Bou> in one word
[15:49] <babalu> is it possible to upgrade from kubuntu 9.04 32bit to kubuntu 9.10 64bit?
[15:50] <Shockrates> Bou: ok if i want to open about me directly via konsole?
[15:50] <Shockrates> i type what
[15:50] <sfears_> i've downloaded rss-glx but the screen savers are not showing up in the desktop/screen saver system settings panel... does anyone have an idea how to load them?
[15:50] <Pici> ugur: I believe its update-notifier-kde -c
[15:51] <sfears_> update-notifier-kde -d updates to karmic
[15:51] <Bou> Shockrates: not sure you can achieve this from command line easily
[15:52] <Shockrates> ok thanks Bou
[15:53] <ugur> Pici: it is still the same update notifier which tells of packages only
[15:54] <Pici> ugur: Well its not released yet, so its not going to offer an upgrade yet.
[15:55] <ugur> Pici: i see thanks. I will try it tomorrow then
[15:55] <tennis> I just installed x does anyone know where i locate system settings
[15:58] <tennis> I wrote that wrong... where is system settings for xubuntu
[16:00] <BluesKaj> noaXess, you can also convert swfs to avis using: ffmpeg -i file.swf file.avi with the name of your file substituted for file.
[16:02] <noaXess> BluesKaj: i tried but get this: [swf @ 0x9ec5ac0]Compressed SWF format not supported
[16:02] <noaXess> bergsee.swf: I/O error occurred
[16:02] <noaXess> Usually that means that input file is truncated and/or corrupted.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> noaXess, install libswfdec-0.8-0
[16:04] <bigbrovar> ￼
[16:04] <bigbrovar> on !kubuntu ￼ #karmic ￼ its either i make a skype call or listen to music i cant do both at the same time. Hope this is fixed b4 final release
[16:04] <bigbrovar> bigbrovar ￼ - 3 mins ago - choqoK
[16:04] <Pici> bigbrovar: karmic support is still in #ubuntu+1 until it is released.
[16:04] <bigbrovar> opps :d
[16:05] <noaXess> BluesKaj: same error after installing libswfdec-0.8-0
[16:05] <bigbrovar> on kubuntu ￼ karmic ￼ its either i make a skype call or listen to music i cant do both at the same time. Hope this is fixed b4 final release
[16:06] <bigbrovar> damn! tabs on konversation that was meant for ubuntu+1 sorry guys
[16:07] <BluesKaj> noaXess, yeah ..strange
[16:07] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:07] <noaXess> BluesKaj: same problem if you try ffmpeg?
[16:31] <Vollmond> can someone help me with a problem with Amarok?
[16:32] <dfrey> Vollmond: What is the problem?
[16:32] <tennis> has anyone ever had an issue with their fan running constantly with Kubuntu?  w/ XP the fan works fine.  any ideas here?
[16:36] <Vollmond> I added an album to my library. Worked without any problem. But after I listened a few times to it and closed Amarok the album wasn't there anymore. Not completly. There only was one song of it in Amarok Library, even though the files haven't been moved or deleted. When I delete the folder and the files, rip the album again and put it into the directory it's shown again in Amarok. But again after some time only one song is shown in Amarok
[16:36] <Vollmond> .Tried this a few times, but it's always the same: listening to the album, closing Amarok and the album isn't shown in Amarok anymore.
[16:37] <Vollmond> I've got this problem only with one single album. Every other album works without any kind of problem.
[16:37] <noaXess> !medibuntu
[16:37] <Vollmond> So this is a bit weirred..
[16:38] <Vollmond> won't help I think. Every other album works fine even though it's ripped in the same format and even with the same software
[16:39] <Vollmond> tried if it maybe works, when I rip the album as mp3 instead of flac
[16:39] <Vollmond> but as mp3 it's the same problem as it is in flac
[16:41] <Vollmond> someone has any idea why amarok does this?
[16:44] <Mamarok> Vollmond: what Amarok version?
[16:45] <Vollmond> 2.1.1
[16:45] <Mamarok> Vollmond: there are some database problems in this version, a full rescan might help
[16:46] <Vollmond> ok, I will try this
[16:46] <Mamarok> Vollmond: also, you should upgrade to Amarok 2.2 ASAP, it will ship in Karmic, there have been a lot of fixes
[16:47] <marcin> i got kubuntu 9.10
[17:05] <dp> just upgraded to Karmic; using Kopete, the font sizes within are *really* small.  this is also affecting kwallet, which implies a KDE specific problem.  where should I look to fix this?
[17:06] <Tm_T> dp: Kopete chat window?
[17:07] <dp> Tm_T: no, main window
[17:07] <dp> well, lemme check if chat window is affected
[17:07] <Tm_T> dp: hmmm, Kopete settings, or, systemsettings -> search for font
[17:08] <dp> yeah, chat window is affected.  not where sent messages are displayed though
[17:08] <dp> Tm_T: I'm actually running Kopete under xubuntu; where would I find systemsettings?
[17:08] <Tm_T> dp: then see systemsettings
[17:08] <Tm_T> dp: it's binary called, err, "systemsettings"
[17:09] <Tm_T> dp: if it's not installed, package is named "systemsettings" (:
[17:10] <Tm_T> !info systemsettings
[17:10] <Tm_T> dp: also, karmic in #ubuntu+1 (just noticed you talked about karmic)
[17:11] <dp> ok.  thanks.  will try out systemsettings once I can get it installed
[17:16] <dp> Tm_T: is there anything commandline that will allow me to do that?  systemsettings is also crazily small with the fonts
[17:17] <dp> or if you happen to know which sets of icons I need to click on
[17:19] <Tm_T> dp: you can try this in commandline: kcmshell4 fonts
[17:20] <dp> also unreadable :(  do you know of a screenshot of that screen?
[17:21] <dp> actually, I just tried changing my resolution to 800x600 so that I could read it; it was still super small.  wouldn't that be a DPI setting or something going crazy?
[17:21] <Tm_T> dp: yes, prolly that
[17:22] <Tm_T> dp: KDE/Qt uses DPI your X.Org is telling by default
[17:22] <Tm_T> dp: whereas GNOME-way is to force it, dunno if this is followed in XFCE too
[17:23] <dp> I don't have anything in xorg.conf specifying DPI :(
[17:23] <Tm_T> dp: there isn't, it's calculated based on display telling its size and then how many pixels you're having
[17:25] <dp> I wonder if this is related to the nvidia problem I'm also having
[17:25] <Tm_T> could be
[17:25] <Tm_T> dp: but really, karmic issues in #ubuntu+1 (:
[17:26] <dp> alrighty.  thanks
[17:27] <Mamarok> Tm_T: be preapred for tomorrow, though :)
[17:44] <alex___> hi all
[17:45] <alex___> need help with sound on Karmic 9.10
[17:45] <Coyote7> hey everyone
[17:46] <Coyote7> alex___: please, tell us in what can we help you
[17:46] <alex___> may be anybody can to configure my system in a good order
[17:47] <Mamarok> alex___: make sure you use the phonon-backend-xine and check if nothing is muted in KMix or one of the apps
[17:48] <Mamarok> else you need to tell us the exact problem
[17:48] <alex___> no sound
[17:48] <alex___> after upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[17:48] <Mamarok> alex___: no sound in which application?
[17:49] <alex___> i know i have a ALC883 chip
[17:49] <alex___> at any application
[17:50] <alex___> should i place lspci or lsmod listing here?
[17:50] <Mamarok> alex___: how do you know you have no sound? What application did you try to play sound with?
[17:51] <alex___> vlc banshee songbird amarok
[17:51] <Mamarok> and no sound in all of them?
[17:51] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> could alex___ and i be having the same problem
[17:52] <alex___> it seems like no sound driver being on kernel
[17:52] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: just wait a second, will you, I am not even through with all the questions
[17:52] <Mamarok> alex___: please go to the systemsettings -> Multimedia and thell me if you see your soundcard there, and whyt backend is shown in the backend tab
[17:53] <Mamarok> -h
[17:53] <daevski> okay. what the hell with the nvidia tiny font bug? -- Anyone have any advice?
[17:55] <daevski> I increase all fonts, but it only helps with certain things. All the notifications are still small, as well as the Hardware Drivers text...
[17:56] <daevski> and the font is pixelated and terrible.
[17:56] <Mamarok> alex___: ? still around? have you seen my question?
[17:56] <daevski> In gnome it's only a login screen issue.
[17:57] <alex___>  yes, still find this app
[17:57] <alex___> i have a russian interface here
[17:57] <alex___> sorry
[17:57] <Mamarok> alex___: in the menu -> Systemsettings -> Multimedia
[17:57] <Mamarok> theer you see your soundcard and then there is an additional tab that tells you which backend is in use
[17:58] <Mamarok> there*
[17:58] <alex___> ok
[17:58] <alex___> i can see pulseaudio only
[17:59] <Mamarok> alex___: you are not supposed to have pulseaudio if you use a simple Kubuntu installation, but I guess since you installed Banshee it was dragged in :(
[17:59] <Mamarok> so you actually don't even see your sound card?
[17:59] <alex___> yes, i can see it
[18:00] <alex___> can't
[18:00] <Mamarok> not good at all, I wonder what is missing
[18:00] <alex___> may be i have to install oss
[18:00] <Mamarok> alex___: did you install Kubuntu first and then the other apps or did you isntall Gnome first and then KDE?
[18:00] <alex___> ?
[18:01] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> so by default phonon uses xine for sound mixing
[18:01] <alex___> yes, at first time it was a gnome
[18:01] <Mamarok> alex___: well, that might be the problem then, since KDE doesn't use pulseaudio I guess it is not configured correctly
[18:01] <alex___> sorry i have to quit for one hour, see you
[18:02] <Mamarok> alex___: you need to have the following apps isntalled for sound in KDE: phonon, phonon-backend-xine and libxine1-ffmpeg, and of course alsa
[18:02] <Mamarok> ok, see you later
[18:03] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: phonon configures alsa for sound and sends it to the backend which is libxine, yes
[18:05] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> ok cus some dudes at ubuntu irc said i would need to have pulse audio installed (yuk) since phonon cant do sound mixing and usually rely on something else for that and in the absence of PA it uses alsa
[18:05] <Mamarok> and since pulseaudio is not supposed to be used in Kubuntu, it is not configured correctly, so either get rid of it or find somebody to lead you through the configuration which is a bit a hassle and apparently takes some time, there are quite a few instructions around online, but expect 30 minutes+ work in tweaking.
[18:05] <bigbrovar> hence my problem
[18:05] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: well, if you use Gnome yes, but not in KDE, and the guys in #ubuntu are alomost only Gnome users, they don' know KDE
[18:06] <Mamarok> and of course you can do sound mixing with alsa, you don't need pulseaudio for that at all
[18:06] <bigbrovar> well its actually #ubuntu+1 which is suppose to be the official channel for karmic ubuntu and kubuntu
[18:07] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: you should have asked for a KDE specific help there, then
[18:07] <Mamarok> unless you use Gnome but then I can't help
[18:07] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: or ask in the KDE forums or on kubuntuforums.net
[18:08] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> i will thanks (btw which distro do u use)
[18:08] <Mamarok> Kubuntu 9.10 rc and final tomorrow :)
[18:09] <Mamarok> but there was nothing changed in the default sound settings, it apparently only gets problematic if you install pulse
[18:09] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> u obviously dont have same problem as me
[18:10] <Mamarok> well, I never used pulseaudio. Do you have any asound.conf file in your home folder?
[18:10] <bigbrovar> libasound2-plugins any idea what this is
[18:11] <bigbrovar> i have it installed ( am checking my system now for pulse related packages)
[18:11] <alex___> i'm here again
[18:12] <alex___> well, at first i have a gnome and just tried kde
[18:12] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: no, in your home folder, do you have a file called asoundconf or asound.conf?
[18:12] <alex___> but i haven't sound at gnome too
[18:12] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> no i dont have asound.conf in my home dir
[18:12] <Mamarok> alex___: no sound in gnome neither? Did that soundcard ever work in Ubuntu?
[18:13] <alex___> so, in 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04 sound was great
[18:13] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: ok, was my last guess. You ca remove everything called pulsesometing, except libpulse0, but that shouldn't disturb
[18:14] <Mamarok> alex___: did you check for phonon, phonon-backend-xine and libxine1-ffmpeg?
[18:15] <alex___> i'm at gnome right now. is it ok to check phonon?
[18:15] <bigbrovar> i only have libpulse0 libasound2-plugins libao2 when i searched for pulse on packagekit
[18:16] <Mamarok> alex___: well, I don't know Gnome, either you need help for KDE or you ask in #ubuntu for Gnome help, sorry
[18:17] <bigbrovar> Mamarok>  i only have libpulse0 libasound2-plugins libao2 when i searched for pulse on packagekit
[18:17] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: in the systemsettings, is pulseaudio still on top? Else push it down and check if the xine backend is there and you have the apps I just mentionned earlier, including libxine1-ffmpeg
[18:17] <alex___> wait a sec, i'll switch to kde
[18:18] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> libxine1-ffmpeg is installed and xine is backend no pulse
[18:20] <Mamarok> ok, then you should be able to test the soundcard in that settings window
[18:20] <bigbrovar> i can sound works if i use only one app
[18:20] <alex___> i'm here
[18:21] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> like am using mpd now which mean no other sound app works, amarok,vlc,skype
[18:21] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: but mpd doesn't use phonon, only Amarok and Dragonplayer do
[18:21] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> same happens when am using vlc .. or amarok no other app would work
[18:21] <Mamarok> skype I don't know and don't use, sorry
[18:22] <Mamarok> and VLC uses alsa directly IIRC
[18:22] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: and you did check if your Kmix settings are all correct, nothing muted there
[18:22] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> well i dont know about all this details mate all i know is all this apps were happy and no issue too recent updates in karmic
[18:23] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: recent as of today?
[18:24] <bigbrovar>  Mamarok> nope all seem fine no muted config this is a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/447844
[18:24] <seifer> juejuaaa
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, VLC doesn't need PA , alsa and vlc make good dance partners :)
[18:24] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: I know
[18:25] <bigbrovar> Mamarok>  well i just noticed this like last week (cant remember exactly) just know its wasnt always this way
[18:25] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: but you did add pulseaudio, didn't you?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> I had to throw out that comment
[18:26] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: :)
[18:26] <bigbrovar> Mamarok>  at first i thought it was a mpd problem (spent 12 hours fixing a problem which doesnt exist) then when skype wont play i tot it was a skype problem had to downgrade .. then i tot it was an amarok problem and stopped using amarok all together .. until yesterday when i connected the problem
[18:27] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: so it is sine several days already IIUC
[18:27] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> naa i never installed PA its clean kubuntu install (PA chased me from gnome)
[18:29] <bigbrovar>  Mamarok> did you check the link to the bug report i posted ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/447844
[18:29] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, unfortunately the default skype app for kubunty needs PA for audio , but I heard mention of a version that will run with alsa : skype_static-2.1.0.47
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> that exactly is the problem am having
[18:29] <Mamarok> ok, then I really don't know, did you try with a new user? if it works there then you have a config somewhere that causes problem, so maybe moving ~/.kde/ and restarting KDE could help
[18:29] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj>  I know am using the version in jaunty which works fine
[18:30] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: as I said, I don't use Skype, so I can't tell
[18:30] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj> infact using the latest beta of skype but with my .skype dir from jaunty works very fine
[18:30] <BluesKaj> ok good , dunno if it will on karmic , if you upgrade
[18:31] <alex___> sorry - what is 'dunno' means?
[18:31] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> the bug report is not about skype skype is just a victum of the bug just like vlc, amarok etc
[18:31] <Mamarok> alex___: it measn *don't know*
[18:31] <alex___> thanx
[18:31] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: keep it English so everybody understands, please :)
[18:31] <Mamarok> means*
[18:32]  * Mamarok needs food and some rest
[18:32]  * BluesKaj is guilty as well
[18:32] <alex___> oh no, keep it way you like :)
[18:32] <bigbrovar> Mamarok sorry :)
[18:33] <daevski> Anyone know an nvidia tiny fonts fix?
[18:34] <Mamarok> daevski: not realy, no, sorry
[18:34] <daevski> :'(
[18:35] <daevski> you think that would be a top bug for them to fix. (or is it nvidia's fault?)
[18:35] <alex___> ok, can we to continue with my soundcard battle?
[18:36] <Mamarok> daevski: I don't even know which bug you are talking about, has it been reported to launchpad?
[18:36] <daevski> Mamarok -- it was at one point. hold a sec.
[18:37] <Mamarok> alex___: go on, did you check if you have these applications installed I told you earlier? phonon, phonon-backend-xine and libxine1-ffmpeg?
[18:37] <alex___> i have a phonon
[18:37] <Mamarok> daevski: so it is an old bug? I doubt that it would not be fixed by now then
[18:38] <Mamarok> daevski: which nvidia driver do you have? 185?
[18:38] <daevski> Mamarok: well with the version 185 nvidia driver that is recommended, it makes all fonts unlegible.
[18:38] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> hey i took a screenshot of my kmix config maybe u can help check if there is anything out of place http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2669/4053660678_3b293c527f_o_d.jpg
[18:39] <Mamarok> daevski: and you have the default system fonts and basic desktop style?
[18:39] <alex___> ... as well as i have phonon-backend-xine and libxine1-ffmpeg too
[18:40] <daevski> Mamarok: yeah. as soon as I do nvidia driver install, and restart they are tiny. Adjusting all font sizes only fixes certain aspects of it. notifications and some apps are still tiny.
[18:40] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: hm, I don't like to download stuff, can't you upload this ti imageshack.us or imagebin.ca?
[18:40] <Mamarok> daevski: and since when is this so?
[18:41] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigbrovar2/4053660678/sizes/o/
[18:41] <Mamarok> s/ti/to/
[18:41] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> got that :)
[18:41] <daevski> Mamarok: since 9.04 for me. I just installed 9.10 to test it out and it's still the same. I've reverted back to gnome because it's only an login screen issue there. (which I fixed with a xml tweak)
[18:41] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: you should eventually activate all the channels, else you can't see if nothing is muted :)
[18:42] <Mamarok> daevski: tried with a different user? just to make sure it's not a configuration issue
[18:42] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> ok (didnt have to go thru all this with jaunty sigh!)
[18:43] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: well, we need to check all things out just to be sure
[18:43] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> (nods)
[18:43] <daevski> Mamarok: I'm not sure what you mean by different user. it is a fresh install with only a driver install.
[18:44] <Mamarok> daevski: and this is the driver from the Kubuntu repos, not from Nvidia, right?
[18:44] <daevski> Mamarok: Correct.
[18:44] <Mamarok> daevski: well, fresh install can still have the old configuration if you don't change /home on a different partition
[18:45] <Mamarok> hi schestowitz :)
[18:45] <daevski> Mamarok: True, but it was a blank partition, with / and /home all on clean partition. .... there is a ubuntu (gdm) install on the same drive, but not linked at all.
[18:46] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigbrovar2/4052941545/sizes/o/
[18:46] <Mamarok> daevski: ok, jzust to make sure. And you never got any comments on that bug report?
[18:47] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> I left things as i met them because I didnt want to do something am not sure of
[18:47] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: see that pic for yourself, you have quite a few muted channels there :)
[18:48] <daevski> Mamarok: I didn't write the bug, but reading through the comments before, they had not resolved it yet. Let me see if I can find it...
[18:48] <Mamarok> daevski: you should subscribe to it to get the notifications
[18:49] <daevski> Mamarok: Okay. good enough thank you. I'm going to research more, just thought I'd see if anyone knew anything in here.
[18:49] <Mamarok> daevski: sorry I couldn't help
[18:50] <firefly> hi everyone
[18:51] <firefly> uh could someone help me enable the 3d card on my laptop?
[18:52] <bigbrovar> Mamarok> umuting everything doesnt help  .. (sigh! u know IMHO no one should ever waste a huge part of his life fixing audio problems not in 2009) time to go get some fresh air probably get laid thanks very much
[19:13] <firefly> here?
[19:13] <kubuntuser> yep
[19:13] <firefly> cool
[19:13] <firefly> ok how on earth do i install "java runtime environment" so i can use it in firefox?
[19:14] <kubuntuser> firefly: open a konsole and type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras[enter]" (no quotes)
[19:14] <kubuntuser> firefly: it will also install other stuff, but none of it is bad :-)
[19:15] <firefly> cook
[19:15] <firefly> cool* it's going
[19:18] <firefly> also how do i enable my 3d card? i've been trying to get compiz fusion to run for the last couple of days
[19:18] <firefly> waoh. some errors came up in the middle of the java install and then the crash handler came up
[19:19] <kubuntuser> :-\
[19:19] <avihay> how do I upgrade to 9.10 tomorrow, and replace knetworkmanager with wicd, without knetworkmanager ever runing?
[19:19] <firefly> got d/c for a sec.
[19:20] <avihay> firefly: what gfx card?
[19:20] <kubuntuser> firefly: first of all, I would use the restricted drivers manager to get the driver for the card.
[19:20] <kubuntuser> firefly: second, compiz is much better for gnome. I would use the kde composite effects.
[19:21] <firefly> i know it's and ATI card but don't know what the model # is
[19:21] <firefly> ok. how do i enable kde composite effects?
[19:21] <kubuntuser> firefly: first you need the right driver.
[19:21] <avihay> kubuntuser: compiz doesn't integrate well with kubuntu, but it's a heck of a lot faster
[19:21] <kubuntuser> firefly: open the restricted drivers manager
[19:22] <kubuntuser> avihay: I would not know, the first thing I do is disable this stuff
[19:22] <firefly> how do i open the restricted drivers manager?
[19:22] <kubuntuser> avihay: nothing could make me give up kwin. It is so much better than compiz
[19:22] <avihay> well, driver issues (intel card) force me to disable it aswell, doesn't mean I don't dedicate some time to check it out
[19:23] <kubuntuser> firefly: I believe it is under kmenu -> applications -> system -> restricted driver manager
[19:24] <firefly> i'm in apps-> system... but theres no "restricted driver manger"
[19:24] <firefly> theres a "hardware drivers" icon there
[19:24] <carpii_> open Hardware Drivers Manager
[19:24] <kubuntuser> firefly: click that :-)
[19:25] <kubuntuser> firefly: sorry about that. I do not use these tools often
[19:25] <firefly> "no proprietry drivers in use on this system"
[19:25] <kubuntuser> firefly: does it say there are any to install?
[19:25] <firefly> ati/amd propriety fglrx graphics driver
[19:26] <kubuntuser> firefly: then install it lol
[19:26] <firefly> ok i clicked the activate button it says downloading and installing driver.
[19:27] <firefly> it says i need to restart the computer to acitvate this driver. brb
[19:30] <Guest89003> hi all, i currently run the kubuntu rc 9.10 can i upgrade to the full thing when it is released tomorrow or should i do a new install
[19:30] <kubuntuser> patrick: you can do either
[19:31] <avihay> kubuntuser: I gave up on kwin on my old computer at home. openbox is doing a good job at reducing the memory footprint of the DE, so that I'm not constantly runing from swap
[19:31] <firefly> back
[19:31] <patrick> ok thanks
[19:31] <kubuntuser> patrick: however, do NOT upgrade tomorrow
[19:31] <Guest13226> any reason?
[19:31] <kubuntuser> server is DDo
[19:31] <Guest13226> sorry name switched
[19:31] <kubuntuser> DDoSed
[19:31] <Guest13226> ok
[19:32] <firefly> ok so how do i enable kde composite effects now?
[19:32] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: when a new release comes out, you can not use your computer when you start upgrading
[19:33] <avihay> kubuntuser: and the price to pay is that the k-menu doesn't automaticly focuse on the searchbox
[19:33] <kubuntuser> firefly: go to system settings -> desktop
[19:33] <Guest13226> i'll do a clean install instead in the next few days
[19:34] <Guest13226> thanks for your advice
[19:34] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: you welcome :-). I like to be on the cutting edge so I am running 9.10 now
[19:34] <Guest13226> me as well but rc
[19:34] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: wait... you are running the rc?
[19:35] <firefly> ok i'm there
[19:35] <Guest13226> yes
[19:35] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: then there is no need to upgrade
[19:35] <Guest13226> really
[19:35] <kubuntuser> firefly: look for "compositing effects"
[19:35] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: karmic rc is karmic
[19:35] <Guest13226> ah ok so nothing new or changed will be added
[19:36] <firefly> can't see any "compoiting effects"
[19:36] <firefly> I've selected the enable desktop effects checkbox
[19:36] <Guest13226> do need to get used to kde though been always using gnome :)
[19:37] <kubuntuser> firefly: now click apply
[19:37] <firefly> the tabs in there are: general, screen edges, all effects and advanced.
[19:37] <firefly> ooh wait there a "compositing type" in advanced. it's set to openGL
[19:37] <kubuntuser> firefly: just click enable effects
[19:37] <firefly> i've clicked apply and my desktop screen flashsed a couple of times
[19:38] <kubuntuser> firefly: I never know the exact names :-).
[19:38] <firefly> ok my windows are now transparent when i drag them.
[19:38] <Guest13226> you got latest 3ddrivers for your card installed
[19:38] <firefly> what else can i do with these effects?
[19:38] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: I walked him through that already
[19:38] <firefly> is there a way to make the taskbar transparent?
[19:38] <Guest13226> kubuntuser: ok sorry
[19:38] <kubuntuser> Guest13226: np
[19:39] <kubuntuser> firefly: explore yourself :-P
[19:39] <firefly> ah ok there are plugins in the all effects tab
[19:40] <firefly> just one last thing: how so i get that desktop "cube"?
[19:40] <kubuntuser> firefly: you just found the effects tab. What more can I tell you?
[19:41] <firefly> oh is it in there somewhere. cool
[19:41] <firefly> i'll just check all of the plugins
[19:41] <Guest13226> btw if you get a key combo to activate a special effect which keys is meta?
[19:42] <Guest13226> like meta+Ctrl+F12
[19:42] <firefly> i think the windows key is the meta or super key
[19:42] <Guest13226> ok
[19:42] <firefly> thanks for the help guys. i got more done in the last five mins than the last two days
[19:42] <kubuntuser> I think alt is meta. I know super key is alway windows
[19:42] <kubuntuser> firefly: np :-)
[19:43] <firefly> hey guise, instead of telling people to type stuff into konsole and check particular options in some unknown windows...
[19:43] <firefly> why not script the common things people ask for...
[19:44] <firefly> and then people can just download an icon of that script and double click it?
[19:45] <firefly> i think you could get a lot more windows people to convert if linux changed the install process into a "double click" this icon...
[19:46] <firefly> instead of first enable multiverse repositories, search for program, type whatever line into konsole.
[19:46] <firefly> IMHO
[19:46] <Guest6834> lol pressed super key + Ctrl+F12 to enable a plugin and got moved to console
[19:46] <kubuntuser> firefly: huh?
[19:47] <kubuntuser> firefly: konsole commands are just an easier way to eliminate variables when helping someone over irc
[19:47] <Mamarok> firefly: and you already can do that with the Ubuntu Software Center
[19:47] <kubuntuser> firefly: there is a way to do this stuff in the gui, but it is easier to give people commands since it is a simple copy and paste
[19:48] <firefly> yeah i guess
[19:48] <Mamarok> but since this is a suport channel doing things in a terminal at leasts gives an output that helps finding problems
[19:48] <kubuntuser> firefly: not to mention that they did script alot of stuff. The hardware manager used to not exist
[19:48] <firefly> linux could really use something like "ninite"
[19:48] <kubuntuser> firefly: do you know how complicated it was for average people to install video drivers before that? It required ALOT of konsole work
[19:49] <kubuntuser> firefly: and google work :-)
[19:49] <Guest6834> kubuntuser: do you maybe know how i can change my name in here and get it registered
[19:49] <kubuntuser> !register > Guest6834
[19:49]  * kubuntuser loves ubottu
[19:50] <avihay> :->
[19:50] <firefly> well as long as it's getting easier slowly.
[19:50] <kubuntuser> firefly: not that slow :-)
[19:50] <firefly> at least with linux there is real progress
[19:50] <Bou> Mamarok: do you know if there is a package of qt4.6 for kubuntu? (something like kde-qt) ?
[19:50] <kubuntuser> I used to neeed to install a windows wireless driver to get it to work
[19:50] <PatrickT> kubuntuser: thanks
[19:51] <firefly> as opposed to windows. where you buy the new winodws to run the VM of the old windows so you can run your DOS applications :P
[19:51] <kubuntuser> PatrickT: np
[19:51] <kubuntuser> lol
[19:51] <mkpaa> how many hours to karmic on repositories?
[19:52] <kubuntuser> mkpaa: what do you mean?
[19:52] <PatrickT> brb
[19:53] <mkpaa> in other words, when will final karmic be available
[19:53] <Pici> mkpaa, Karmic will be released some time during the 29th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[19:54] <firefly> k guise tanks for the help. i'm off to find me some linux walls.
[19:55] <PatrickT> kubuntuser: can i ask you another question :)
[19:56] <kubuntuser> PatrickT: of course
[19:57] <PatrickT> whenever i now connect qith quassel to this channel i need to identify myself can this be automated
[19:57] <kubuntuser> PatrickT: I do not know how to do that. I do not like quassel I use konversation, xchat, or irssi
[19:57] <PatrickT> ok in any of those is it possible?
[19:58] <kubuntuser> I would suggest konversation. It is the old kde irc client
[19:59] <PatrickT> kubuntuser: doing it now :)
[19:59] <PatrickT> kubuntuser: brb login in with konvers
[20:02] <patrickT> kubuntuser: ok back
[20:02] <patrickT> kubuntuser: can you tell me how to set it up in konversation
[20:03] <patrickT> i seen the identities and also service and password but for service i aint sure what to fill in
[20:06] <kubuntuser> patrickT: are you still here?
[20:06] <patrickT> kubuntuser: yes reading the manual :)
[20:06] <kubuntuser> in service you put nickserv in password you put your pass
[20:07] <patrickT> ok gonna try now
[20:07] <patrickT> brb
[20:08] <patrickT> whoohoo worked
[20:08] <Mamarok> Bou: no, since Qt 4.6 is not even released yet, so most unlikely
[20:08] <kubuntuser> patrickT: cool :-)
[20:08] <patrickT> kubuntuser: thanks again :)
[20:09] <kubuntuser> patrickT: np :-)
[20:12] <patrickT> i do like linux
[20:12] <kubuntuser> patrickT: as do I :-)
[20:13] <patrickT> if the gaming industry becomes more active in linux it would be even better
[20:13] <kubuntuser> I don't play many games. But that is more likely because I am too lazy to reboot into windows
[20:14] <kubuntuser> and every time I do, it starts freezing because it wants more ram
[20:14] <patrickT> yeah
[20:14] <patrickT> i am just so tired of windows
[20:14] <patrickT> been using linux on and off for last few years but decided now to do everything i can in linux
[20:15] <kubuntuser> patrickT: I started using it when I was 8 (I am now 16). I started using it because dad had cool free games with a penguin (no joke)
[20:16] <patrickT> kubuntuser: hehehe you ever played pingus
[20:16] <kubuntuser> nope
[20:16] <patrickT> kubuntuser: loved that game
[20:16] <patrickT> puzzle
[20:16] <patrickT> but cool
[20:16] <kubuntuser> patrickT: nm
[20:16] <kubuntuser> I have played that
[20:17] <kubuntuser> Actually, that looks close to the game that made me switch :-)
[20:17] <patrickT> :)
[20:17] <patrickT> it is good fun
[20:17] <kubuntuser> :-)
[20:17] <kubuntuser> But right now my new toy is google wave
[20:18] <patrickT> yeah google wave is cool
[20:18] <patrickT> has it been released yet?
[20:18] <patrickT> or developers
[20:18] <kubuntuser> patrickT: you need an invite
[20:18] <patrickT> we got it for work to have a play with
[20:18] <patrickT> we develop software
[20:18] <kubuntuser> cool
[20:18] <patrickT> thats why i know about it
[20:19] <Karti> Hi all, any bots for Firewall and default setup? Many thanks
[20:19] <patrickT> but havent done much wih it yet
[20:19] <kubuntuser> patrickT: I am more of a hacker then a programmer
[20:19] <patrickT> ok
[20:19] <patrickT> i aint a programmer anymore :)
[20:19] <kubuntuser> patrickT: I have made a few programs, but I mostly hack current programs together.
[20:19] <kubuntuser> Karti: what do you mean?
[20:19] <patrickT> kubuntuser: ok
[20:19] <kubuntuser> bots?
[20:20] <patrickT> kubuntuser: still not sure if kde is my flavour to go with
[20:20] <patrickT> kubuntuser: always used gnome
[20:20] <Karti> kubuntuser: Just wanted to see if a firewall was active by default or wether it was my wife that disconnected the network drive :)
[20:20] <kubuntuser> patrickT: I am used to keeping many conversations going at once in the same chan which is why I always say your name at the beginning of each line
[20:21] <patrickT> kubuntuser: i did as well :)
[20:21] <kubuntuser> Karti: what firewall? the ubuntu firewall is off by default
[20:21] <Karti> kubuntuser: No probs....can then assume that it is the connection.  Cheers kubuntuser :)
[20:22] <patrickT> Karti: give the wife a hugh lol
[20:22] <Karti> patrickT: I blame the work laptops!!
[20:22] <patrickT> Karti: lol
[20:23] <patrickT> Karti: kubuntuser: anyway gys gotta go nice talking anyway
[20:23] <kubuntuser> bye
[20:23] <Karti> patrickT: Bye :0
[20:23] <kubuntuser> !bye
[20:42] <Pappawagner> PappaWagner: Hi I'm new to IRC and just started running Kubuntu Netbook with Plasma. Can anybody point me in the best direktion for documentation for the Plasma-environment? Tnx in advance ;-)
[20:42] <Byron> !plasma
[20:42] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: for programming or using plasma?
[20:43] <Byron> Pappawagner: How is it? I'm on a netbook as well and wonder what its like.
[20:43] <Pappawagner> Using! I love it and even if it's a Beta everything runs really good one my AcerOne
[20:43] <Pete_R> Hi! How can I enable romanian diacritics on my standart laptop keyboard?
[20:44] <kubuntuser> Pete_R: go to system settings --> region and language
[20:44] <kubuntuser> Pete_R: there must be something there to do what you want
[20:44] <Pappawagner> Byron: I haven't had any trouble and i'm quite new to Linux < 1 year
[20:45] <Byron> I came across an old CD I made of music I backed up from my old laptop (1999) and can't play any of the tracks due to license or something of the sort. Any idea how I can get that audio back? FYI: I can't download what I don't recall. They are labeled as 'Track #'
[20:45] <Byron> Pappawagner: I'm also on an AAO.
[20:46] <Pete_R> kubuntuuser: I've aded and set the language to romanian, but still when I change the keyboard layout I can't write diacritics
[20:47] <Pappawagner> Byron: I used my ols Sony (now my daugthers) burned the iso to DVD and created an USB-startup, everything worked immidiately, even printing wich I've had BIg trouble with Linpus.
[20:47] <kubuntuser> Pete_R: I am the wrong person to ask then. I do not even know what that means
[20:48] <Squarc> Hey, I was wondering, what does the picture have to do with Kubuntu 9.10 on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-rc
[20:48] <Squarc> ?
[20:48] <apparle> At what time is 9.10 karmic koala releasing?
[20:48] <Byron> Pappawagner: Right now, I the only thing I know not to work out of the box is the onboard mic (ok if I plug one in, which isn't the point), the VGA output and bluetooth.
[20:49] <Pete_R> kubuntuser: an example - when I switch to romanian layout, instead of "[" I should type a diacritic, but i can't
[20:50] <Byron> apparle: This Friday, October 30... maybe Saturday, October 31. I can't recall right now, but its one of those 2 dates.
[20:51] <Pappawagner> Byron: I can only recommend you to test, it wil cost you a DVD and the use of an USB-stick, I user a ¤Gb but I think anything above 2 gb is ok.
[20:51] <Squarc> Byron: I thought it was to be released tomorow ?
[20:51] <Squarc> cause thats what the banner at the site says
[20:52] <Byron> Pappawagner: you used a __?__ GB
[20:52] <Benedicht> yeah, banner says it realeases tomrrow
[20:52] <Byron> Squarc: I recall it being in the 30s, but I guess the date was pushed.
[20:52] <Benedicht> is this wrong?
[20:53] <Byron> !schedule
[20:54] <Pappawagner> kubuntuser: It's for using it. Want to try out the functionallity but not by trial end error,. I'm one of those who try to RTFM first ;-)
[20:54] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: for using what?
[20:55] <Pappawagner> Byron: Sorry, fingers slipped, a 4 Gb
[20:56] <Byron> !release
[20:56] <Pappawagner> Kubuntuser: Plasma desktop in the Kubuntu Netbook edition
[20:56] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: oh, were you asking about using or programming?
[20:56] <minifig> I am running KDE in LInux Mint 7 and when i install me video drivers all I can get is 640x480 or 320x240 screen resolution.  Non-drivers and I get better.  Any way to fix that?
[20:57] <Pappawagner> Kubuntuser: Using
[20:57] <seige36> hello all
[20:57] <minifig> LInux makes things so much harder than they need to be, in my opinion.
[20:57] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: I do not think such docs exist. If you want to have them, you need to make them ;-)
[20:58] <Squarc> minifig: I think starting with linux is hard, but once you understand most of it, it rocks !
[20:58] <kubuntuser> minifig: it is more complicated in linux because we do not have support from the manufacturers
[20:58] <seige36> can someone help me with xmodmap? im trying to use the windows key to bring up the k menu, i can do that until i reboot then i have to run my script again
[20:58] <Squarc> minifig: also, I think you shouldn't be on the kubuntu channel for linux mint/kde support
[20:58] <somekool> can I find out what were the compilation argument of a compiled .deb packages?
[20:58] <minifig> What room do I need to join?
[20:58] <tmroland> guys
[20:59] <tmroland> how do i completely remove and uninstall the whole kubuntu and get a clean and pure gnome ubuntu ?
[20:59] <Byron> Does anyone know how to read/play audio tracks that are protected by windows drm? I have cleverly named them 'track #' so I don't know their track titles.
[20:59] <Squarc> minifig: try #kde
[20:59] <minifig> Thank you.
[20:59] <Squarc> np :)
[20:59] <kubuntuser> tmroland: 2 questions. 1. why are you doing this 2. You can just do a clean install
[20:59] <Byron> tmroland: sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[21:00] <kubuntuser> tmroland: one question one statement :-)
[21:00] <Pappawagner> Kubuntuser: OK, thanx but I think I'm a bit to new to do that right now.
[21:00] <Squarc> Is it actually possible to install a package but not perform the "uninstall" of existing packages
[21:00] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: of course. However, what I would do is just use if for a few days, then check the pr for "features"
[21:00] <tmroland> Byron : does that command remove all k* packages and qt/kde dependencies ?
[21:01] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: it is probably self explanitory for most things to use it. The advanced stuff you can learn over time
[21:01] <Byron> tmroland: I believe so, but you can always choose "n" if the packages to be removed should actually remain.
[21:02] <Squarc> for instance, I need pususpender, which is in the pulseaudio-tools (meta) package... but the problem now is, that that package uninstalls libobby-0.4.1 and libnet6-1.3-0 ... which are required for gobby ( a collaborative text editor that has NOTHING to do with pulseaudio-tools :o )... I have no clue why it does uninstall those packages, because that makes my editor fail... :s
[21:03] <Byron> tmroland: If you want to keep the apps, and just have the Gnome interface, install gnome-desktop and be sure to use GDM for the login. That's all there really is to it.
[21:03] <Pappawagner> kubuntuser: Oh it is and I'm doing it! But sice I'm "newbie" I don't want to ruin a good and well running installation even if I now can reinstall it quite fast.
[21:04] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: ok. I would just jump into it. But that is because I am weird. I do not have a netbook though :-\
[21:05] <kubuntuser> Pappawagner: it is pretty much exactly like the desktop version except it handles windows a little differently to maximize efficient use of space
[21:12] <ralph_> Hellow all, can someone help me?, I want to record the sound of my desktop (online radio) but the recoder app like audacity and QArecord don't record anything?
[21:12] <ralph_> ps. i'm on 9.10
[21:13] <Vi0L0> hello there
[21:13] <ralph_> hi VioLO
[21:13] <Squarc> ralph_: this sounds (har har) more like a problem with the program you are using... did you try opening the stream with VLC and them use the stream/save option ?
[21:14] <Vi0L0> are there any kde3 packages for ububtu? community packages for example or something like that :)
[21:14] <ralph_> can try that but it's a flash streaming
[21:14] <Squarc> ralph_: because that works fine for me (recoring .pls(mp3) streams)
[21:14] <Squarc> ralph_: ahh like that...
[21:14] <Squarc> ehm
[21:15] <Squarc> vlc can handle .swf files I thought
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> !kde3 | Vi0L0
[21:15] <ralph_> in the past i did this with Krecord but that app also record nothing
[21:15] <Squarc> so all you have to do is figure out the url of the flash file thats loaded, then open that in vlc
[21:15] <Vi0L0> thanks JontheEchidna
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[21:16] <ralph_> vlc
[21:17] <Squarc> yes, you know that app don't you ?
[21:17] <ralph_> opps... staring vlc is not woring if you type it here ant not inside the Alt+f2 box lol
[21:17] <Squarc> hehe :p
[21:18] <somekool> how do I find out what were the compil flags used for a compiled ubuntu packages?
[21:21] <Byron> Is there a meta package for the netbook version of Karmic?
[21:21] <ralph_> ok I have VLC installed and found the url, but can find the record option inside VLC... help
[21:23] <agnese> italian channel for kubuntu?
[21:24] <Byron> !it | agnese
[21:24] <agnese> Byron Thanku so much ^^
[21:25] <Byron> Not a problem, agnese
[21:25] <Byron> !drm
[21:25] <Byron> !dma
[21:26] <Byron> I forgot the term to what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get my old media to be playable so I can find out the songs and get them anew on the desktop.
[21:26] <ralph_> Ok found it... advanced layout and records are found inside te home dir
[21:29] <ralph_> vlc
[21:29] <Tecumseh> why vlc?
[21:30] <ralph_> ... can't believe it i did it again...
[21:31] <Tecumseh> ah, you tried to start vlc through krunner
[21:33] <ralph_> Yep
[21:33] <Byron> Is there an app to help with creating PHP pages?
[21:37] <ralph_> php...Quanta maybe
[21:40] <ralph_> Is there a reason Why i can't record audio anymore with audacity or any other record tool (on kde 3 it was not a problem)
[21:51] <Shockrates> hi
[21:51] <Shockrates> my laptop subwoofer has no sound. can someone help?
[21:52] <Shockrates> i am using kubuntu karmic x64
[21:52] <Shockrates> on acer laptop
[21:53] <Shockrates> i need some pro on this one
[21:57] <Shockrates> wake up 289 user and 1 bot
[22:00] <vitovt> sad
[22:05] <trijntje> is firefox isntalled by default in kubuntu?
[22:05] <stephen_> trijntje: no
[22:05] <stephen_> trijntje: you need to go to the package manager
[22:06] <trijntje> stephen_, Thanks a lot, I just needed to know that
[22:06] <ralph_> You can install Firefox from the menu, >internet>install firefox
[22:06] <rasstar> anyoen find kybuntu slower than ubuntu
[22:06] <stephen_> ralph_: that only exists in the new (not released) version
[22:06] <ralph_> o ok
[22:07] <ralph_> thats true
[22:08] <ralph_> Is there no root needed for update installation on 9.10?? i was not prompted
[22:08] <Tecumseh> there should be, but did you perform other admin tasks before the update to 9.10?
[22:08] <stephen_> ralph_: it may have saved it
[22:09] <Tecumseh> sudo remembers the given password for 15 minutes
[22:09] <ralph_> that will be it... I think, well I did not enter a WW this sesion...
[22:10] <ralph_> maybe a one time thing? (saving) i did type a ww in the past
[22:13] <Tecumseh> it will not save the password from longer than 15 minutes
[22:13] <Tecumseh> you did not disable sudo altogether did you?
[22:14] <seige36> hey all bad anyone want to help me with this error? keysym in remove modifier list 'Super_L'
[22:14] <ralph_> I don't knw how to do that ;)
[22:15] <Tecumseh> that's the dangerous thing about it ralph_, a lot of people don't know how but they follow a guide on the internet that lists commands to enter. That way you can do unintended harm to your system without knowing what you did
[22:15] <ralph_> can i check?
[22:16] <ralph_> on the console i have a $ NOT A #
[22:17] <Tecumseh> ok, that is one thing that's good
[22:17] <ralph_> ;)
[22:17] <Tecumseh> you can read this on sudo use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:17] <ralph_> still the packagemanage updates without prompting....
[22:18] <ralph_> (after manual selecting the updates
[22:18] <ralph_> )
[22:18] <Tecumseh> you can reset the password timeout by using: sudo -k
[22:18] <seige36> hey all bad anyone want to help me with this error? .xmodmaprc:1:  bad keysym in remove modifier list 'Super_L', no corresponding keycodes
[22:19] <ralph_> ok... konsole >sudo -k >starting packagemanager >install a app... no prompt
[22:20] <Tecumseh> sorry seige36, I don't have a clue what you are doing and what that error is for
[22:20] <Tecumseh> ralph_: your packagemanager doesn't prompt for the password, then we'll have to look what kdesudo does
[22:21] <ralph_> it promps when i want to edit the sources
[22:21] <seige36> tecumseh im trying to use my win key to open kmenu, i can get it to work when i run the script m anually but when i reboot i cant get the script to run
[22:21] <ralph_> ok i follow
[22:22] <Tecumseh> seige36: what I ment is that I don't know how to help you because I don't know how to solve your problem. Hopefully someone else here can
[22:22] <ralph_> can this be a feature on the new 9.10 edition?? there is a option to update the system in the background without notification
[22:23] <avihay> seige36: can you show me your script?
[22:23] <avihay> I need something for languge shifting
[22:23] <ralph_> ps. i use the Kpackagekit pakagemanager
[22:23] <seige36> avihay the one im trying to run is my sh script which runs the .xmodmaprc mod file which actually changes the key, xmodmap is the one having the problem
[22:24] <seige36> remove mod4 = Super_L    then the new line is: keysym Super_L = F14
[22:24] <Tecumseh> ralph_: did you use kpackagekit before to install packages?
[22:24] <ralph_> Yep all the time
[22:25] <Tecumseh> did you by any chance check the save passwords and uncheck only for this session?
[22:25] <seige36> avihay i am following this guide: http://secretmicrobe.org/kde-41-open-the-menu-with-the-windows-key
[22:25] <ralph_> that can be the case
[22:26] <ralph_> I think that is not really save to do... but I think i did that
[22:26] <seige36> avihay im going to the store ill be back in a bit, hope youre still here
[22:26] <ralph_> can i undo that
[22:27] <Tecumseh> I'm looking for that, the default is to safe the password and not ask again ever
[22:27] <ralph_> I think thats not a save option...
[22:28] <ralph_> but if its normal It's fine  for now...
[22:29] <ralph_> I have other problems also... flash hangs the system after 15 min. or so (not a question for suport, just a frustraion i type here ;) )
[22:30] <ralph_> thanks for helping, I go to sleep itś already late here.
[22:30] <Tecumseh> your welcome
[22:30] <Tecumseh> I'll be off to bed also. cya
[22:31] <ralph_> by
[22:31] <ralph_> e
[22:31] <mfraz74> bye
[22:31] <rasstar> does ubuntu have an integrated desktop search like kubuntu?
[22:33] <x-calibur> can someone help me on configuring my mic for skype, my mic works, but not in skype :(
[22:33] <Luggage> evening everyone
[22:33] <x-calibur> hi there....
[22:34] <rasstar> i don't understand why kbuntu has this lame package manager compared to ubuntu
[22:34] <rasstar> i thought they would have the same software
[22:35] <x-calibur> is there anyone who can help me on a skype issue?
[22:35] <Luggage> you can use the one ubuntu uses too
[22:35] <Luggage> or any of the others you like
[22:35] <rasstar> how\
[22:35] <x-calibur> my mic is working in kubuntu
[22:35] <x-calibur> but not in skype :s
[22:35] <Luggage> you can use the 'lame' manager to get synaptic e.g.
[22:36] <Luggage> or use the konsole apt-get to get synergy either way works
[22:36] <Luggage> (not sure synergy is what ubuntu uses, but itś my prefered one)
[22:37] <Luggage> synergy.. i mean synaptic -.-
[22:38] <Luggage> if you don't want to install synaptic using kubuntuś pack manager open konsole type: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[22:39] <mfraz74> have you tried messing around with the settings in skype?
[22:39] <x-calibur> @mfraz74 yes, didnt work :(
[22:43] <Guest779> Hello al here in #kubuntu. Quick question. Does anyone know if it's possible to configure volume stepping in KDE4?
[22:44] <Luggage> maybe what is it? ;) -.-
[22:45] <Guest779> Luggage: Volume step is basically how fast or slow the volume control goes each time the "Volume down" key combo is pressed. I know you could change it in Gconf and xfce4-settings-editor. But I have yet to find out how in KDE4.
[22:47] <rasstar> can you update the daily builds?
[22:52] <Guest779> ?
[22:56] <Half-Left> hmm, seem to be hitting a kdm bug in kubuntu KK
[22:57] <Tm_T> Half-Left: +1 (;
[22:57] <Half-Left> gah, so many damn channels
[23:01] <Byron> Does anyone know where I can find a replacement motherboard that has the same specs as my current?
[23:02] <Luggage> hazards a guess, in a computer shop?
[23:04] <Luggage> sorry couldn't resist, what motherboard is it for example
[23:04] <Luggage> you gave zero info to help anyone to try and answer the question :)
[23:05] <Byron> Luggage: It's an Abit VT7. Socket 478
[23:06] <Luggage> itś not too old yet
[23:07] <Luggage> maybe do a google for it + shop, store etc
[23:07] <Luggage> check ebay for a second hand
[23:07] <Luggage> I'd check but i'm guessing you aren looking for a store in Holland :)
[23:14] <Byron> I've had the mobo for 5 years. After trying to figure out why video freezes and LAN randomly dies, I find out that PCI1, PCI5, AGP and LAN share the same IRQ. I have removed the cards I had on those slots, and added a NIC.
[23:14] <Byron> LAN still drops and I get the occassional freeze. I'm just blaming the mobo and want something I can just port over.
[23:19] <seige36> avihay hey still there?
[23:20] <avihay> ya
[23:20] <seige36> alright where was i
[23:20] <avihay> the problem you have is that you want to have the script run automaticaly at startup?
[23:22] <seige36> yes
[23:22] <seige36> but its giving me that error
[23:23] <seige36> when i start it manually or not
[23:24] <avihay> so there is a problem with the script
[23:24] <seige36> it was working before though
[23:26] <Shockrates> guys i have an hdmi overscan problem
[23:26] <Shockrates> is there a tool to stretch the screen of the tv manually?
[23:26] <seige36> avihey so any way around this? can i use something other than "Super_L"?
[23:26] <Shockrates> nvidia had this tool fo windows
[23:27] <seige36> shocki believe there is a script in xorg.conf but i dont remember what it is
[23:39] <keke> when is 9.10 release date?
[23:39] <Luggage> today?
[23:40] <Luggage> or is it delayed
[23:40] <Luggage> said 1 day left on the site yesterday
[23:40] <keke> yes now it says soon
[23:40] <keke> -.-
[23:40] <Luggage> well your answer is.....
[23:40] <Luggage> soon
[23:40] <Luggage> i guess ;)
[23:41] <keke> ill just install the rc
[23:41] <Luggage> you can update it when 9.10 is out
[23:41] <Luggage> probably
[23:42] <Luggage> (judging by the guides to update previous releases to 9.04
[23:47] <jonah1980> hey can someone please help. i have a 1tb hard drive and another arriving tmrw. and i'm trying to back it up so that i can set up a raid and reinstall the new kubuntu and then restore the backup to the new 2tb raid
[23:47] <Werenerd> Howdy all, real quick question. I have a drive dedicated to my media (video, music, pictures) that is currently ext3. I will be doing a fresh install of Kubuntu when 9.10 comes out. Would there be any benefit to converting that drive to ext4?
[23:47] <jonah1980> but i only have an external 500gb drive to backup to
[23:48] <jonah1980> i hoped compression would make this possible.
[23:48] <Luggage> 2tb to 500gb
[23:48] <jonah1980> but when i've formatted the drive to ext3 or ext2 i can't seem to create any folders or use the usb disk drive
[23:48] <jonah1980> 1tb to 500gb, ready to then put back onto a 2tb new raid
[23:48] <Luggage> thats a lot of compression to ask for especially with some stuff which is highly compressed by itself already (divx/xvid media e.g.)
[23:49] <jonah1980> Luggage: oh no, so it probably won't fit?
[23:49] <Werenerd> I don't think you can compress anything that much.
[23:49] <Luggage> you can try
[23:49] <jonah1980> Luggage: but why when i right click in dolphin is "create new" blanked out in my newly formatted external?
[23:50] <Luggage> maybe source material reaches that compression rate, but unless he's a graphic artist I don think itś that type of raw data weŕe talking about :)
[23:50] <Luggage> what did you use to format it with? (im very new to linux myself)
[23:51] <Luggage> if it's ntfs i don't know if that works  (though I can access my ntfs partitions just fine in kubuntu)
[23:51] <jonah1980> Luggage: i did it in KDE partition manager
[23:52] <Luggage> right click the drive icon and check the permissions in properties
[23:53] <Luggage> check the write permissions
[23:54] <rasstar> is there an integrated desktop search in ubuntu?
[23:54] <seige36> would anyone mind helping me with xmodmaprc?
[23:55] <Luggage> search: in your kickoff launcher
[23:55] <Luggage> ?
[23:55] <rasstar> what?
[23:55] <rasstar> referring to ubuntu
[23:56] <Luggage> ah, well say that cause your on the kubuntu channel but still i guess gnome has a "start menu" app too?
[23:56] <rasstar> i see the search in kubuntu but kubuntu seems to be really buggy
[23:56] <seige36> kubuntu i guess is
[23:56] <seige36> :D
[23:56] <Luggage> well gnome or kde desktop is more or less the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu the underlying os is the same
[23:56] <Luggage> i have no problems in kde 4.x
[23:57] <Byron> I moved to a new HDD and only copying things I need from the old drive. Is the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird directory all I need for my emails?
[23:57] <rasstar> it has some bugs and it doesn't have the new software center. don't know why
[23:57] <seige36> luggage do you have any experience with xmodmap?
[23:57] <Luggage> no sorry seige36
[23:57] <Luggage> im a noob
[23:57] <Luggage> :p
[23:58] <seige36> as a m i
[23:59] <seige36> i just wanna use my win key to bring up the kde menu
[23:59] <Luggage> don even see xmodmap in my package manager
[23:59] <seige36> haha
[23:59] <rasstar> i don't understand why kubuntu has that crappy package manager while ubuntu has that nice one
[23:59] <Luggage> ah there it is, part of x11-xserver-utils pack
[23:59] <Byron> seige36: Can't you change the current bindings so the menu comes up with the win key rather than ALT+F1?
[23:59] <Luggage> you can use any package manager you want